Ibn Rushd & Ibn Araby - When legends meet | Mufti Abu Layth

let's i want to um let's come to here i did have something i thought people people people allah let me tell you something an incident between two legends on one hand the great muslim philosopher jurist the judge of his time the philosopher of his era the man who they call the commentator

when it comes to aristotle he brought back to life he resuscitated the the philosophical works of aristotle and became the conduit that's that served them onto europe aiding it from its dark ages to its renaissance ibn rust the man who stood face to face metaphorically speaking against imam ghazali when imam gazali had unleashed an attack on philosophy and

you have to remember philosophy in that day and age included science as well so science mean is the the study of uh nature and our world and observations and so this in that day and age hikma was that hikmah was the study of nature the study of uh plants botany the study of the the cosmos the study of the cell especially these kind of things put together they did refer to them as hikma and obviously also philosophy as well but as sciences

continue to mature through time they tend to kind of branch off and become special specialist [Music] areas so in his day and age he responded to his philosopher with his um so the philosopher was the incoherence of the philosophers and he replied with his the incoherence of the incoherent amazing a legend somebody who if you read his work on in fact i have a video clip on uh

avaroas if you check it out on youtube i've read through his um his commentary on on plato's republic where he speaks about andalus in his day and age and this is we're going back almost 900 years yeah where he speaks about it's a shame that women he says of 50 of our society yet people don't you know they don't create opportunities for them to prosper in this and this and this if you read those extracts you would think that's a contemporary writer

and yet it was written almost 900 years ago in muslim spain so this is the man the myth the legend the voice of reason allah and in his day and age on in his day and age he you also had much junior to him

you had the man the legend of mystical experience the mind who had treaded the path of consciousness and it's amazing what they call al-kashf that kind of like removing the veil of the dimensions

and this so you have these two huge monumental figures and they meet so what's interesting is even a rust for long had you see because he championed the voice of reason he was never against he was against many of the sufis and he was again many against many of the theologians and against all of because he felt that they were inaccurate in some of their things but he was never against the path of consciousness

and even if it wasn't one that he may be championed but and this mystical experience so when he meets even oddby he is the judge if narutis and he's wanted to meet him arby's heard about him he says this is young man who has had these great mystical experiences and he has treaded this path of consciousness and with just

great discoveries so he ignarus was so intrigued and he wanted to meet him for a considerable amount of time so he um and he knew ibn arabi's father even adobe's father was like almost like a a student to ignored and so he told him you have to send your son to me i need to i need to meet him and this had gone on for a while so on this one occasion his father even ought to be sends ibn army to him so even audrey approaches

and these two legends meet and when he meets him you see it's as though the conversation had already taken place and remember what i said about the souls are entwined they are connected when ibn roost met him he asked him straight away

he just said to him he just said to him he just looked at him and said is it or no you think what what is he just looked at him as yes or no and ibn harubi looks straight at him and he says yes and even the rust lights up he lights up

this you can see the radiance the glow and then ibn aurabi says la no an even rust he becomes tense you see this kind of going into a remote pensive

distraction almost and then ibn arabi follows it by saying he said and between them the souls are annihilated [Music]

that yes no and between them the souls are annihilated what on earth and you see it is this conversation and this is it and then he just he goes and if naruto says to him he says do come back and before he actually goes ibn rush says to him see because when he says the souls are annihilated it once again restores hope and i'll explain why in just a moment

and then ibn rushed says he says this condition this state we have affirmed it it's just we hadn't seen a people who had qualified it yet and he says he says all praise be to allah that i'm in an era will one of its people a person of that path is in it but not just any person that from the legends

the al-fatihin those who open mahalik and all praise be to allah who allowed me to see such a person and he tells him that to come back and it said that ibn arabi goes he's a very he's a very young man at the time maybe in his very late teens possibly uh yeah maybe approaching 20 you in his late teens at the you know at the most

he's not uh he's very young whereas ibn rushd is very senior at that time and even though arabi says i was meant to meet him i had made another appointment to meet him and he says i had a dream and he says in the dream i was there and ibnarus was the the don and even a roost is one of the great maliki legends by the way he says he was there and he says in between us all of a sudden was a very faint almost or slightly opaque veil very thin but a veil

he says i could see him but for some reason he couldn't see me anymore and then he awoke and he says that i felt that this dream was a sign that maybe ibnarus will not see eye to eye on this matter about this path of consciousness so maybe it's better not to get into that altercation with him so he says i even though i had a meeting

an appointment to see him i avoided it and he says and then i was only reunited with him when his body was brought to maracas to be buried and [Music] it's a it's an it just a a mind-blowing encounter of two legendary symbols of two paths this path of pure rational experience and pure conscious experience and how they these paths are then entwined

and ibn rushed saying even though he was harsh against some of the other people he said that this is a state that we have affirmed that we and it's you he said that i i knew it i just hadn't met the right people and in his people have really tried to what was it that he meant with his answer even rb so look at this so one of the

so the backdrop to what he was saying and people may disagree over it was ibn rushd had in his mind the question about reason can reason the path of reason what you have experienced does it affirm that like are we we may be taking different routes but is it we're both it's right isn't it does it like your kash your the the veil being removed does it not just affirm this path of pure reason this was the question in the mind of ibn

rust and when he met ibn arabi ibn arabi replied now yes it is but and even arush became so elated ecstatic with joy because this was a man who spent his life fighting the corner of the voice of reason and then ibn arabi said la and it kind of it took him to a somber depressive almost state that no but then he followed it

with this caveat and between them the souls must encounter an ego death now you can take from that what you may but one thing i understand is that in the search of divine truth there is something known as ego death

the annihilation of the ego this concept of annihilating the self fiddler and there is it is weird it is not against the voice of reason but yet it is a path that is very experiential and that's why his la the na'am being yes it is not against the voice of reason it only affirms reason but the no

being that but it is something that it must be tasted i can't tell you what an apple tastes like i can just say it's sweet or it's bitter or sour i can try to give some likeness but you see it's experiential but ah to experience it

the ego must taste to death