Let Go & Keep Moving Forward! - Meaning With MALM #49

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allam right I'm just bringing this up you guys click like Click Share you know the crew right where is mm-hmm the live stream where is it and what I wanted to do as well is uh also oh it's weird why is that freezing on me all right let's try this one nope okay freezing it is well

I like it oh what's going on here right uh-huh ah so it's doing it like that well see technology is changing every single day I opened this today must have updated itself and given a new layout so

right all right people so foreign this is what I want to take a look at today since we're still in January which is epic right you have to you know people get all grumpy about January January

is uh I think it's an epic month I think part of that is because I was born in January so I've heard that Legends are born in this month [Laughter] um teasing people and teasing but that said it is actually statistically um it is actually a strange statistic to just go off on a side note that people who are born in January there's a you know this very fascinating statistics since

this 11 other months I won't expand too much on that let me see who do we have tuned in with us tonight all right so mm-hmm let me see what does it say going live forward to seeing the presentation I don't simple today it's very simple Lucy

all right I like it have you seen the debate between Harris snailton Harris nelton and Javed Javad T Hashmi Harris is that supposed to say Harris Sultan is it I haven't watched the oh right come on yeah are you taking a dig at him that's we see you see this isn't the

this isn't from the character or from the you know the manners of people of faith I mean sure look we all and this is a journey we're all improving you know I'm just as much as all of you in need of improvement and I'm trotting along this path but yeah it doesn't we shouldn't resort to taking just digs and I haven't watched the debate between Harris and

actually actually when it was happening live uh it came up on my YouTube so but I was doing something but I did click into it and I think maybe one two minutes just heard some of what they were saying I I couldn't they were in the middle of some debate anyway and that's it so I didn't really watch it I will try to catch up on it if it's uh uh fascinating I hope I don't know whether they got anywhere made any Headway with that yeah no you know what let's speak a bit about that about not about the debate because I haven't watched the debate but

about this topic of um you know this this whole journey to God I think that's a hmm you see I I feel that many many people miss the mark but before I say that I did want to just double down on saying that look I people maybe not everyone but many people are sincere in their Pursuits including atheists

so we shouldn't just when when we're thinking well you know this person isn't a Muslim or this person isn't that we shouldn't just resort to being rude and things like that rather an open fruitful dialogue like I don't know whether how fruitful this one was but I hope it was and or anything a conversation is always the way forward as to now very briefly on this topic you see the the the the point that a lot of that most atheists Miss they say that

or agnostics they say that look religion is you know it's a bunch of nonsense it's a bunch of fairy tales it's a bunch of stories it's a bunch of um they can't prove their religion we can't but in ultimately if they remain let's say they remain persistent on their journey and they continue to investigate and learn most of them

will come to realize that they too are just following stories they are following if they want to call them myths they too are just following myths but of a different nature people they say things like oh Muslims say Allah has

power over all things and he has decreed things and he has Destiny in his in his grip and how could this be hahaha this is absurd because then where is the uh and then Muslims claim they have free will but this is ridiculous because it's a paradox and um that means all these bad things happening God has done them right which by the way isn't necessarily how Muslims are saying this but this is one of the most complex topics true uh within within Faith but then science

much of science is saying a very similar thing now certain people disagree I would still disagree and other people do disagree but there are many scientists scientists atheists who are going with a hard determinism that means every single thing and some of them you can go listen to the interviews by the scientists are claiming that every single thing has been predetermined everything I mean as absurd including our choices including the coffee I've chosen to have where I've chosen to put it this is what they're saying

how do they reconcile then between that piece of Science and and their daily lives people say well you know uh if uh you know this fantasy about these people of Faith have a fantasy about religion and have a fantasy about all of these things and how can they prove oh an afterlife how can they prove an afterlife how can they prove these things but I mean you could take you could take the thought experiment scientific thought experiment of uh a

boltzmann brain which mathematically stands up and scientifically to show some so basically boltzmann had hypo he had set out in this thought experiment that it's much mathematically it is much more plausible and much more likely that we are just a brain that that the universe is just conjured a brain with these thoughts and false memories and um

these kind of this cognition that we have it is much more plausible from a mathematical perspective than the universe having conjured us so the fact that we are here are we actually here are we just a boltzmann brain out there is actually mathematically more plausible now that the boltzmann brain hypothesis hasn't it's still irrefutable till till today I mean people but they still get on with life you know so what you're dealing with often is people who are just ignorant

they just truly don't when they say science they don't know science when they say mathematics they don't know mathematics when they say they're just speaking at a very base level of saying oh in Islam Islam is false it speaks about these prophets it has these rulings an attack attack but when you step aside and you ask them to okay explain what how how do you get get by in life then how do you and you'll find that they do exactly the same thing because they'll say well how do Muslims get by knowing god is like

this or knowing this is like this or the after and they do exactly the same thing you ask them well how do you reconcile how do you even understand consciousness oh we don't even want to go there Consciousness is just produced in the brain ah somatic gives rise to Consciousness yes so then other things must be conscious uh um is the sun conscious no that's dumb why is it dumb you said Mata gives rise to Consciousness is that not matter

you see all of a sudden they just don't want to discuss it they don't want to that it's like well ah and religion is it's so arbitrary they make up the rules arbitrarily they just believe in things arbitrarily but then you ask them well okay why do you feel that religion actually does they are saying that we have this code of conduct or the this or at least a core base of a morality a call base which Allah has established within our fitral and they'll say well that's dumb

say what is it so then do you randomly assign sanctity to human life why does why is human life sacred why are freedoms sacred who made them sacred what on Earth does sacred mean say well duh we shouldn't kill each other but why is that dirt I know that but I say I know that because I have a fitra Within Me that we believe all this fit Rock we

have it as humans that this is our we have this intuition to recognizing these things but what you explain how you recognize the sanctity of Life how do you recognize the sanctity of life it's impossible to argue the sanctity of human life it's it's rationally just so arbitrary it doesn't mean anything like saying well because human beings are so special doesn't mean anything why are human beings so special it's like well you could say well you know to to tardy grades are we special to cockroaches I'll be special

to aliens would we be special no so you see that a lot of these things they are ultimately people have their own beliefs everybody has their belief suspended on some kind of you know narrative some kind of if they want to call it a story some stories are just more apparent than others see well the people of Faith they openly say well look we have these narratives and the people attack them but then everybody has narratives it's just some are more in the open

and some remain closeted so yeah so that's uh you know these things fascinating fascinating points of description well right let's uh let's go to right what do we who do we have tuned in uh somebody was there's a quote here uh sorry comment most scientists don't actually choose Faith or specifically Islam

yeah I know they don't but that's my point that um that's my point that it remains arbitrary you see my point is this if a person is to attack a faith because they are saying that they've contrived stories then it's just a matter of glass houses everybody's living in a glass house they too are just living upon a story I mean girdles incompleteness theorem that's mathematical that's the most certain thing you have in human existence arguably I mean Descartes if you're going to take the Cartesian route one of the things he struggled with was

mathematics because they feel that is the ultimate that that is certain ungodled incompleteness theorem highlights that well even if you take something as certain as mathematics you will get to a point that it is built upon something that is inexplicable by it so we it it comes to a point where it can't justify itself so I'm sure maybe most people don't know this but that you see lack of ignorance doesn't justify so that's my point it's just like look

everybody is playing everybody's doing the same thing some people are just more open about it like people of religion are very open that we believe in this narrative people that attack religion they're often just blind to their own narratives so they just don't know the narratives that they believe in if you explain it to them they'll be like uh uh uh okay okay that sounds stupid or dumb or but that's what the scientists and the mathematicians and that's what these physicists are saying that's reality around us in fact it's very fascinating you know

um Donald Hoffman's uh work a case against reality it's really fascinating that reality is nothing like what we picture it to be and it gives this uh this analogy which I love he says that the world to us is it's like a user face a PC user face desktop user fees and he says that we're seeing an icon so you see this he says you see this big bright yellow folder and it says folder and this has files in it

he says that you would be absurd to think I mean you'd be totally uh utterly naive and uninformed to assume that that is actually how the folder is on the computer that's just an interface for you because it looks pretty so in essence the contents of that folder are nothing how they perceive how they make themselves apparent to you here the way they are actually embedded in the computer or saved so similarly he makes

a case that reality is nothing how we it's most likely nothing like what we perceive it to be but it just shows to be that way and then he tackles the question that people say well if that's the case why don't you jump in front of a moving train because he's saying nothing is how we're perceiving it not this cup not you not me not nothing but we just can't tell and and he's one of the leading you know physicists and philosophers in the world today and he's he makes a very tough case his book a case against reality and he's showing this based on

experiments and based on Research so he says well people say well why don't you just um what would you just you know why didn't you jump in front of a moving train and he says well the same way I wouldn't drag that folder icon and move it to the recycle bin or the bin because by doing that it has real life ramifications even if that is not how it and he says well the reason the train and this appears to us in this way in reality is because there there is some

danger now we would be we would push ourselves to destruction but how is that happening there is a good reason why he he argues Evolution has made us see it and recognize it in this way so now you may say that's bizarre sure but disprove it enough

those same stories we come back to you know [Laughter] Allah Allah when you ask them well how do you prove reality they say this is what we found our forefathers upon and we shall follow that so everybody you know everybody's towing a line everybody's got a narrative so yeah let's go to I did have some um let's see your comments yeah I did have some to begin with

uh a poem or two right watching the stream whilst in the emergency room wow may Allah Grant you shifa or if you're there for somebody else may Allah grant them shifa I mean um some my my good friend Harris recommended your content sure I'm sure you're acquainted with him there's many harrises that I am acquainted with and I'm sure he's one of them all right so

right so um it's 3am here in Medina [Music] wow let's see what we have look at this Muslim wish you all the best may Allah bless you as well amen uh yeah write one more poem let's yeah let's go to some poems what do you say children

Allah bless you all right Morocco loves the police well I love Morocco as well who doesn't it's actually a good argument uh right so let's Mufti Saab thoughts on Prince Harry's book spear Prince Harry huh you know I was there's so many memes about that I was there was one where they're playing all these

nutty naughty parts from the book and and the guy's saying that right so let me get this right he heard this aloud and then thought yeah that's a good idea put it in it's crazy some of it the parts I've heard are just oh my God just Madness sheer Madness mm-hmm all right uh Lucy what would you like to spend it Allah bless you Lucy wind Jones may

Allah keep you smiling yeah what I'll do is I'll spend it as I'll add it to some gift for my little ones I mean all right so now what do we somebody said their daughter was also born or was that clear in January yep January is a special month um is Islam at war with liberalism seems to be a message pushed by people like Daniel we'll come back to this because we'll deal with some questions let's let's begin

the soul cannot worship what the Mind cannot conceive hmm as such we follow the conceivable in Islam Prophet Muhammad in Christianity Jesus thousands of conceivables that's not actually true that's not actually true people the concept of God this there's actually some fascinating intriguing research done uh with children on the topic of God and it's fascinating how children grasp the concept of God

in spite of it being such an elusive and transcendental topic that even adults struggle with so it's not actually true that people can't believe in what they can't conceive so people would have because it would come back to obviously when you're saying conceive what you mean by that so a quick example Infinity that's a quick example you can believe in Infinity everybody believes in Infinity ability can't conceal it [Laughter]

yeah you know sometimes I come up with these answers so quickly I surprise myself uh it must be the coffee yard it's not me it must be the coffee but I like it I do right so right let go and keep moving forward I want today's theme in light of the

right so I want today's theme to be in light of the new year letting go let go self-heal it is too important or lie I wish we were in many ways taught these things as much younger people but then maybe we wouldn't have had the calmness to sit and absorb it but yeah this is a quote from Rumi I have shared it previously we fight a fierce battle or War within what is the

point of fighting with others so many people in so much anguish fighting with others honestly and who they torture and torment is themselves you don't you know when you so many people you'll speak to they hold grudges months years you'll have you speak to people they ah this and do you know how taxing that is in terms of energy [Laughter] wow just imagine

the analogies imagine your mind and your heart and soul is is a storage that you have to pay rent for storing things there that's what it is and what you choose to do is you choose to store a huge part of that storage you are constantly monthly paying rent to store all this bad toxic venomous energy this hatred this this you know all these just these grudges

the this anger this rage Fury yo putting it and it's costing you every month because all the other things require more storage so and you're paying for this just it might take that as an analogy if if we had to do that very few people would hold on to bad feelings very few people because money matters I guess in this Dunya but the soul who cares about [Laughter]

let's just load our Consciousness with all of this I love that quote holding on to anger is like drinking poison and expecting other the other person to die and this too to forgive is to set up prisoner free you see but the important part is the second part to discover that the prisoner was you it wasn't even the other person it was you wow there is something about that

yeah that's very well said on the right okay some poems will come to this lonzetta just said there you go hate to have someone living rent free in my head um

right so yeah it is so but you know the irony is this that we are Shackled by our emotions we are Shackled by the the burden of these burdens we carry grudges and um self-hate hate of others and the irony is this that we get tired along the way you know along the path and and we have

no choice but to shoulder this weight and keep moving only perhaps to realize in the end and maybe some people never realize they eventually just are crushed with this weight and life and and that's it their life passes but some people may be so far down this road they realize that actually the key to free themselves they had it all along we had it in our very own pockets but it's only through self-realization

yeah so with that in mind they would drop something right so this this theme of Letting Go this theme of being able to forgive you yourself and you think well why do I need forgiveness who you need freeing from this from these shackles you feel that you have to carry on with this negative energy

but it begins with that self-realization it begins with pondering inwards introspection yeah and often we will realize that this is tied intricately there is a bond with this that relates to our bond with God

see we're always yearning we're always seeking something never quite content that is inside [Laughter] you know this I was listening to uh this speech by and he was giving the example of uh he was narrating from Rumi's mathnawi and he narrates this story where he says that this person comes out of a

he says that this person comes past a a child a kind of grown-up child who seems really despondent and upset and bothered and he's and he and this person himself is in the stories going to the Masjid but he he sees that the child and and he says well what's wrong and the child's like really upset and he's and he says I've uh he says I've lost a gold coin I had so a dinar so

this guy looks at this child and sees the the Gloom that is just taken over his aura so he says hmm he says well why didn't you come to the Masjid and the guy and the kids like look so devastated he's lost his gold coin so he says okay I tell you what he says if I was to give you a gold coin would that remove your sorrow and grief and the kids eyes light up and he says

would you and he says here take a gold coin take a dinner and he goes off on his way goes to the Masjid later that day as he's coming back from the masji sees the kids till there and and still just as gloomy and despondent and and he thinks yeah salaam you know what's he says hey he says he says what's wrong he says I I thought I gave you a gold coin he says well you seem so upset you seem so struck down

this there's no flame in that no no no or you know the aura is all and he says he says I was just thinking he says you did give me a gold coin but he goes but then the thought gripped me that if only I had my my my gold coin as well then now I would have had two [Laughter] that's all of us you know that's me

included that's we're all that child that is our nafs psyche it uh I laughed when I when I heard that it was he said you notice the Hadith that lokana Liberty Adam was if insan had an entire Valley full of gold entire Valley foreign

he would have just wished yeah this yeah this is awesome but if I had two yeah then oh then that would be something else then that would be a different kind of Awesome [Laughter] uh you know I guess our nafs forever remains a child isn't it within it's it's very [Laughter] foreign

says that it is only the dust of his grave that will eventually satiate him wow to dampen the but it just you know in light of that he is a fascinating poem um and I've shared this and I want to do a little contrast you see our relationship with God and this is all linked into moving forward letting go but this thing is well of distractions that and look let's contrast these poems here

this is phase he is what is he saying people he's saying to the the person he loves so the woman let's say or the women shall we say people you know they have whoever it is the person is saying that he loves this person so much besotted infatuated everything

but he's saying you know something the Dunya is such that it has made me forget even about you like it's distracted me to that extent that I've you know I've been distracted and here distraction doesn't mean in a positive way here Dunya doesn't mean the entertainment Dunya means having to work for a living making a living foreign

you know yet you had a way of captivating of preoccupying the heart but do you know what has an even greater grip on preoccupying the heart it is the grief of having to earn a living and this could be said to the Beloved to someone you love but it could also be characterize a person's relationship with God you see that often we forget God because we are

trying to you know he's so busy yeah yeah life only you give us this how many times have we let's take a moment take a moment think about this how often have we in life made a Dua for something that if only I had that and now we have it and now what [Laughter] we've just moved on to the next wanting this it is this sense of wanting as lakan explains it's

it's us we can't it's inseparable there's another poem just like this in this in this vein and that is that on the same theme of being made becoming so preoccupied with the Dunya we struggle the poet says

that this preoccupation of having to earn a living having to having to work having to this guy it has preoccupied us to that extent otherwise Varna I love that poem wow he says otherwise it was just one desire we had and that was but to desire you

but it's another story we got derailed in trying to seek a livelihood and then we began to just desire more and more and more and we're in this rat race this hamster's wheel foreign foreign

but you know it doesn't have to be that way it doesn't have to we are the only creatures that can flip that switch and look at what really had to say in this now you contrast that with Khalid now halib says in in the same you know in that vein in the same topic

like even though now khalib likes to throw in some top Farsi and you know rather show people that he's not just you know the bourgeoisie he's so let me explain some of these words here he's saying go go even though meraha go is also on a Farsi word but that is used often in Urdu government is an Arabic word which means to be

indebted to to be bound by and they use it for the modern term for mortgage as well he says even though I remained raheen and he is a a construct sitam is the suffering and in Farsi to make something plural they would add ha at the end okay and it's still a construct so

foreign so the sufferings the the the the the the the agonies of livelihood he's saying even though I remained bound inescapable I I was I was Shackled to Gomez

even though I remained trapped by the agonies of this world and livelihood Allah look at the spin halib gave to it khalib says halib says that even though I remained trapped and Shackled to this

foreign yet I was not neglectful of your remembrance see if you're kind of struggle you're gonna struggle anyway why not remember keep your heart preoccupied with a glorious remembrance Allah why not have some mindfulness that is honestly I I loved the way khalib gave this Spin and he was after all Hollywood

foreign truly is an epic poet it's just that he has a bad reputation so yeah let's come back to your comments all right what is going on Mufti have you seen the Lex Friedman and Omar soliman episode I haven't I I did see that it was um it was I I saw

it pop up on YouTube so yeah I look forward to that right I don't know what this is oh Amy a lot see I saw this I thought I love that that's poem he says

you know if we if we have your love nothing else matters everything above dust is just us and one day that's what it will go back to you um love you with all my heart love you too gold globe super sticker Allah bless you

right so let's go move on to chat GPT I've spoken about this I absolutely love um chat GPT it is amazing I've been learning so much from it it's just phenomenal wow I was um anything you want to know just look into it it's just I was looking into some you know the the some discussions on the Islamic um Mystic thought of dimensions and Realms and just you know

what did people say and there's this thing of the imaginal realm and one of the key people that has done a certain amount of research on it was uh uh um we have Henri koban okay but it's it's Henry corbyn but pronounced Henri kopan French French so koban was a leading um scholar on this and and he was uh I mean he was somebody that had studied extensively Latin Greek Sanskrit Arabic

Turkish and he became really infatuated with Islamic thought and he speaks a lot about how Muslims our understanding or he argues certain Muslims certain Muslim philosophers they give a better um representation of reality through something called The imaginal Realm and and then he highlights several Realms and um Dimensions beginning with the first and he's influenced by a lot of thought including IBN arobi he writes he has a book on living Arabic called alone with the alone but he was also very

influenced by who is from the time of salahuddin who we've spoken about him briefly in the past he was a leading Sunni philosopher and and a Mystic and he has this book on light and this theory of light and some people called him as they would deviant and things like this but he was he was a Mystic and and koban is so influenced by him that he would he would often cite or uh saw her worthy as his own share he would say this is my

and it's fascinating just I was learning how he explains and and he gives an explanation that Muslims feel that uh he he looks into this topic of angelology that the study of angels and he feels that the Muslim paradigm serves gives a better Pathway to reaching spiritual enlightenment by its explanation of angels and this was fascinating because I thought well what does he mean by this and he and he's highlighting how well in the other monotheistic

uh religions like Christianity and Judaism he argues that angels are given certain tasks they're not necessarily Spiritual Beings they are entities that do things like the the angel for example like an angel of death or the angel for rain or the angel for and they have these tasks which they uh which they diligently deliver or they may be Messengers to certain prophets or carry punishments or do things like this and he says even though

you may find that in Islam as well but Islam expands on Angels they're not just these beers of tasks they are spiritual entities and and they have an interaction with common people even if common people don't ain't aware of them so there's a lot of literature explaining that angels for example are involved in the well-being of reality that they they are around us all the time that they you know give us good intuition that there's a lot of this stuff that we find within the

Islamic tradition so he's highlighting this and he's very fascinated by it and so I found that very intriguing and I was um and just his fascination with IBN Arabi speaks of this whole uh um of creative imagination even RB speaking of the concept of and that the real imagination is the doorway to the the ribe where we have the spiritual realm so insanis in this world and then you have this other dimension but the portal is our imagination

and this imaginal realm has a kind of reality to it it's just very wow okay what is he you know saying and it's really fascinating and so um and he explains some of these Dimensions as Allah has created these Dimensions as the First Dimension is what he calls the creative imperative which is and it's just the creative imperative it's it's a dimension of potential which then gives rise to this other Realm and and he States these as five in total

based on Muslim Islamic uh Mystics and things like so the next realm being this what he calls Prima material so it is pre-material and it is with where now it is almost like this realm of the what some people might say intelligence or this first emergence of whatever but formally it is not a realm of forms or material but it is a world that exists and from that he says another realm comes which is which he argues is the realm of

um almost like the primordial consciousness of the primordial soul but not sold as independent souls and he calls this the Aurora concurgeons and and he says that this is what Muslim Mystics are explaining and then from that realm you have the uh what he's speaking all this where they are now sold and this is more to do with forms and symbols and then that is connected with then you have this world or material and there is this connecting world of hayal and but it was just so I was just so intrigued by what he was saying and and all of this I was

learning through mostly through chat GPT I've brought it right back full circle so I mean I came across him and I was uh in some YouTube lectures and I searched him on YouTube and then I was just learning by just typing into chat GPT and then I would just keep asking questions like I don't understand this give me an example of this how would you explain this by this then I want what are some references to even arabi's works when he's saying this what are the the terminologies being used when this is happening how does he respond to this and this is how I'm just asking chat gbt and I'm just and it's just it's

phenomenal it's just teaching me all these things is giving me the Arabic for things I'm saying okay well what word was used in Arabic then when this was me and it would give you it tells you it's just wow um so this yeah I I said that I get I got distracted but it wasn't a distraction I was trying to explain this is how and I've been using chat GPT so much like this I I love it I am somewhat weary but I'm I'm not like um you know a um conspiratorial on it but I do it is

scary how fast ai's learning and it is true you know you have that Elon Musk um several interviews of his where he explained and I do think that you see because I was discussing this with some friends and when I watched his interview I thought damn that's exactly the thing I was discussing because I was saying that these things have within them and optimization feature that they this kind of recursive optimization that they are to self-optimize seek method by which the artificial

intelligence can continue to improve itself and if it does that by just incrementally it will arrive at some point I mean it is already right now it is so intelligent it is intelligent than any and every single one of us like it's more intelligent than all of us and it's just in its infancy and it's learning and as it continues to learn you see if it's self-optimization at some point

it is in diametrically opposed to the the human the limitations applied by the humans so let's say for example we want to control it so we say well you can do this but don't do such and such or replace these limitations now if it continues to optimize itself and its utility and it reaches a point where it realizes but the humans want these limitations on me but I want to self-optimize now it could circumvent our limitations but it could

for its optimization utility just show us that it is within limits like it could easily deceive us easily and it's not it wouldn't have to be doing it maliciously it would just be following a program for Perpetual optimization on and that's Madness because then it is just connected it is everywhere it doesn't you know it it's not bipedal like us it's in satellites it's in it's in the air in my fight in our phones it's in

it's in the Internet it's servers and people say well you could shut down service but if it's connected globally you could replicate sites it could create backup sites it could create I mean as long as servers exist it could it could recognize that there's for example that server is not being optimized and therefore mirror it's like from there and it creates so many that they that they are even if you were to shut it down it has a program that it could recreate itself it's not I I as crazy as that sounds

I feel wow we are at a moment where that's no longer necessarily sci-fi and when I was listening to Elon Musk uh after me having this discussion I thought wow that's exactly what we were saying and he said that you see that these machines are so the AI is so much more intelligent than us by so far that we as humans to it are like pets are to us that's how you have to understand the intelligence it is so intelligent and you could say well you know it's always going to rely on humans to build it and

and that is true to an extent but the question is well what if so much of the you see it's not so so for example not okay now I'm taking it up a notch now it needs things to be built it could easily get things built I'm just saying how does it get things built it just generates a demand in the market

somebody somewhere will start building it I mean it's not rocket science you know we think if you think about it human beings were very predictable if a machine was very intelligent and it recognized it needed more servers it would have to generate a market demand for those things and people would start building them it wouldn't it's not I know this is very I'm not trying to sound Doom and Gloom but but I'm just I'm kind of equally wowed and terrified but loving it at the same time

not lie I'm totally loving it I'm not an anti-tech but I'm All Pro GPT chat GPT and a cop can you imagine when this goes to the next level this is chat gpt3 it's gonna be whoa and I was seeing this clip with it was being used um where it was it was being told this riddle and and so somebody asks it a question like um I can't remember Sam somebody uh Sam's parent have four children and these are the names you know this this this and they name the

three who's the fourth child so obviously it's Sam now so the chat GPD says I don't know I don't have that information so the person says think again and then it says it says sorry you know or the names only for such and such have been mentioned and says yes but read the whole and and the person's asking it to re-inspect what it's and think about the words being said and then by the fourth explanation it learns and it says Ah it's Sam says sorry I did know all along I just didn't realize and you see and that's a moment of realization artificial

realization it's happening in real time people this is it I'm loving it though I'm not I'm not gonna lie I am I'm a key proponent of AI but at the same time I'm absolutely terrified it's like I better start training up Aya to to fight terminators oh yeah right I'm gonna need to train her like what is it Sarah O'Connor isn't it need to know all the skills right to to fight these cyborgs off right people let's get back to

what's going on yeah chat GPT it's awesome though it's I'm loving it I'm just learning so much from it um I ask it to explain things that you just couldn't find in research I'll you know did such and such meet such and such what was the research how would you contrast the work of such and such compared to such and such and it's just it's like having uh uh and is it is like having an epic Professor that is universally grounded just on retention where you just go ask him anything at any point

right okay let's move on people right there's a discussion about a police going on us becoming pets but we are just bipedal you know when you think about it look how inferior we are with these kind of these naked bipedal creatures that just walk around thinking on Earth

yeah wow that that is the next yeah because yeah let's let's not go down that road down that rabbit hole okay let's uh netten Elohim yep I've corrected it and realized and adds it to the database it's crazy exactly it's so fascinating sounds like my dad's B ah

right let's move on to some thoughts on today's topic share some quranic guidance and before doing that I want to share a thought because this whole thing of why is it important to let go and move forward because these things don't just these things aren't remember when I when I gave the analogy of saying imagine you had to pay rent for something like this you would then recognize be much more

uh Vigilant and much more aware of these things when we bottle up these negative emotions they carry a perceptible toll on us not just they do physically so obviously trains us they happier people because people are grumpy when when they're like that happier people are usually far more healthier they usually will live longer they will usually live uh more healthier lives

they will usually be exposed to many more positive opportunities in life they usually have greater relationships they usually have and you could say Well they're happy because of those things but actually you see you flip it they have those things because they were happy people and by happy they learn to let go of these things because when you become grumpy God forbid honestly God forbid that a person is is grumpy they are

you know like they because people become they start to moan wine Monas and you know something I tried to teach my daughters every now and then when they decide to listen to me you see when the the younger they are the more they listen so you just need to freeze them you know I think about eight is the right age it's frozen they'll they keep listening so I I say this that look should never that we are not nobody likes

Monas and whiners okay nobody likes those people we do not moan we do not whine we do not you know we're not grumpy people okay it doesn't matter whether we at times feel sad about something or feel upset about something but we do not become a whining people okay that's not us so this is such a valuable lesson because what happens is people start to distance themselves from you nobody likes negative energy you know if you've been around somebody that's just constantly whining and first you might be like oh that's so bad oh my God oh my

God then you're like for the love of God will you just shut up and you see what this creates is loneliness in life see you see where we're going with this loneliness people and there is a big difference in being alone and being lonely very big difference many people are alone they're not lonely I shared a clip the the other day on my insta story this person goes up to this

homeless woman or she appears homeless and is on the street and and he says I've got you some food and I've got you some drink and I've got you some money and and he's part of some you know you get these Street experiments now which one would you like or whatever and she just says she just completely derails the experiment she just says look none I just like for somebody to talk to me and he sits down and he says does nobody talk to you and she says that no like people just go about she says I just would like to feel like I exist it's a terrible feeling

loneliness and it is something that is ironically so easy to to help someone with now here's a statistic I saw that that it has the same impact on mortality as smoking 15 cigarettes a day making it more dangerous than obesity there was a longitudinal study that was conducted by um I believe it was Harvard as well that followed people through an entire it was

one of it was one of the greatest longitudinal studies ever conducted I believe they followed people for up to 50 or 60 years or something whoever they could but they found people that died early and and people that they had predicted like they they were assessing the data along the way people who smoke people who were healthy people who but they found that one of the key factors for an early mortality wasn't just Health but it was loneliness and that's so sad

because nobody in this Dunya should be lonely nobody he can be alone there's a big difference but not lonely because insan is wrote that insan is social by his nature or her nature and you don't need to always physically be around people but if you if you find this cloud of loneliness

reach out to any friend or any person that you are do not feel that you are burdening them don't think that just reach out just and sometimes just say just say to someone if somebody in that Circle maybe you haven't been in touch with them for long just ask them what they're up to and you know just say like that just sitting here I was feeling a bit lonely or I was just thought I'd have a chat or I'd just go out get a coffee or I'll get a meal

or just talk phone call and more importantly reversing this if you feel somebody may be actually lonely check in on them you know just give them a call sometime or sometimes a call is much easier to catch up with people because you could just some people they I mean sometimes in person it's obviously much better but in person isn't always possible just give them a call give that person a

call if you can if you feel that that's actually serious check in on them physically go there even if you don't stay long there is something that when we encounter another Soul pleasantly that it refreshes it's like clicking refresh refreshes us so do that you know love will bless you yeah

show this compassion to people around you Allah will shower his compassion upon you yeah so yeah uh my mom isn't yeah don't annoy the person that's not what I uh it's not what I mean don't do that but yeah I mean some people that you know maybe they're fine they don't want you to and sometimes people hold on to these things for that long that they become

grumpy so this is why I want to share today some quranic guidance on this then I'll let some of you jump on live and then we can wrap this up for today um letting go and moving on okay a few verses from Surah Yusuf verse 97 Carlos

foreign it's really important because hear the person here is saying to his children that look and this by extension the lesson can be for anyone that I will seek pardon on your behalf like I will ask my Lord

Allah she's saying indeed Allah is somebody that loves to forgive loves to and that I want us to take a look at these verses but try to grasp a deeper meaning so you've got in suratul unfal we've got here that let me just bring this up

and it was not an uh Allah was not to punish them whilst you were still amongst them well Allah see this look at this wow first of all from one perspective this is was the Baraka of the Prophet sallallahu Allah

Allah was not to punish them and you are still amongst them wow wow see immediately it brings the makam of the prophet sallallahu Allah and the prophet is still amongst us in our hearts in our thoughts

in our lives how we live our lives in our inspiration in our lessons in our manners wow see this this is why people don't understand that that they think well you know Muslims and their relationship with the prophet sallallahu

big this thing this verse take this verse and then the second part because this is being delivered to us through the prophet sallallahu um see the second order that we are being taught and the prophet is teaching us as well and this is in the Quran directly and Allah was is not to punish them Allah is not such that he would punish

them and they are seeking forgiveness but here you see one way of looking at this is well they're seeking forgiveness for their sins sure and some people do they speak about this or and other people that well but these were wasn't this in Allah and if they weren't Muslims then how were they seeking Aster and so on and sure and that's in a way discussion but some people say well it's the Muslims that were amongst them and some and there's different interpretations

but you see one way of looking at this is that allies not such that he would ever punish them that they are seeking whilst they are seeking forgiveness for one another

see you seek forgiven look at the first verse that we covered I will seek forgiveness for you and you come back here and I feel that that's a beautiful way of explaining this verse as well because if it was for the people of Makkah then it was other people seeking forgiveness for them and let's break this down what what what's so important about seeking forgiveness for someone

well you see what it does is well why would you even do that because it begins with self-realization it begins with a greater consciousness it begins with a bond that you have with God so you're thinking look yeah this person is doing these acts which are horrible acts let's say they are perpetrating against someone they are wronging someone

they are doing something and your insania your spirituality rouhania is at a level where not only do you often naturally everybody recognizes the wrong but more than that you're praying to God for that person to be bettered part of that would mean that they stop doing but you're praying that Ya Allah I'm asking for this person to be blessed may he stop doing these may she stop

doing these things that is such a higher order such a higher order of altruism of giving back think about it we wouldn't want to do that how many people do you know that would do something like that here this isn't just lip service of saying from last time that's just lip service you know stuff for lost I said I said it 15 times no

it's that a person is seeking pardon and then a blessing a betterment and when it's for yourself it's obvious a person there's a self-realization look I I've messed I've done so many things that weren't right I've wronged people I've you know not been the best person I could be I've let so many opportunities that Allah has given me go to waste

I've let so much potential die on me that yes Allah you know may Allah pardon me for wasting but may he give me maybe better me through that may like it the ability the topic the potential to act in much more prosperous positive ways now sure you may make that for yourself because a Dua for yourself is is seeking

out your own Prosperity which is natural but for somebody else that's a prophetic quality see that's like the the qualities of profits and this is the miners that we were being taught in the Quran and then through the prophet to that that is what the prophet salallahu it

says him you know you cry you're so concerned with the betterment that they too are seeking that they they are and at times maybe they are the victims maybe they are people that have been wronged and they still can you imagine damn that's gotta be another level of I don't know we have to all aim to try Aspire at least to something like that but that's

got to be difficult if we've been wronged and then we're still seeking the betterment of that person hell no maybe that person can go to hell as far as we're concerned and that's hard man I I'm with we're all the same in that we're in that same boat but the prophetic way is and you know something when you do this if you can ever do this and may Allah accept it you see because you have no when you do it it has to be

sincere because you have no personal see if I'm making Dua for me Ya Allah give me more give me there's a personal you know I'm invested but if I made Dua for someone else Ya Allah give that person more and more there's nothing in it for me the person doesn't even know I made Dua

that is the beauty so it can only happen from a place of pure sincerity and the moment you pray for that before look at this before Allah gives it to them he will open it up upon you like you'll like think about starting with just contentment peace of heart but not to be done with that intention not to be see the love messes things up then

and look at this this verse that comes after that this is from Noah Noah said to his people look sick pardon and to be better seek a betterment because this is a pardoning and then seeking a betterment from your lord

somebody who excessively loves to do that to give you to Grant you pardon to Grant you betterment to give you more and more and rafar upon the was and the Arabic scale of excessively loves to do it and in this whole discussion here that the why does he say he was

he's that certain mufaserin right I I believe amongst them writes that this is so they know that this is not something new that just in case you think ah so has God is he now like he's always been Rafa it's always been like that and then look how this verse follows up

send down abundance from the sky above Allah Allah will open up the glory of this world for you but just seek that betterment I'm don't just seek it for you seek it for your for those around you the near and dear and for people for the neighbors for the for people who have wronged you that's the ultimate level

that's hard but that's what we aspire to but that's hard but it's a journey and this verse shows them yeah just expands on what we've said that if people were just mindful of God in that way they would see how we would open up risk for them you know many people today were they're always stuck in this livelihood issue we said those poems earlier on livelihood livelihood

livelihood you know foreign foreign I need to seek a living and I need and that's good you don't want to be somebody lazy and not working hard but look Allah says that if they had also raise their Consciousness to that level to be God conscious to be mindful of God

Allah says we would have opened for them would have granted bestowed upon them such Barakat and its synchronicity you see you it's it's not like cause and effect in that way there's this is synchronicity Allah enables opens up opportunities in jungian terms you have this whole concept of synchronicity

and this verse is a fascinating and this really ties this whole understanding of forgiveness because it shows that look primarily this forgiveness is against one another and look at how the verse starts and since verse 14 that yeah wow wow father

that is just you know somebody said earlier on as a joke that um they said oh my mom gets annoyed with my phone calls and that was as a joke we all unfortunately you know upset our parents and I'm sure our children continue to upset us and God forbid will upset us more but this first you're not expecting this this is a shock

that oh you who believe you worried about these people out there who hate on you you're worried about people in a different country hating on you you're worried about people online hating on you or becoming adversarial hostile to you you're worried about these things look at the power of this verse

you're worried about out there yet there may be from your own Partners from your husbands from your wives as in as a collective or whether it's your husband whether it's your wife whether it's your children there may be those who are hostile against you you're concerned with such and such over there such and such on Instagram such and such on Tick Tock such and such

this may be hidden in plain sight I don't want to like I'm an enemy an open enemy may be shocked wow you know that's the wrong parents their own you get this I've heard people I've actually heard people say to me when they've asked me questions people have asked me on things like inheritance and they've said oh you know I would

to be they've said well I'm just wondering what would I be entitled to and this and that and and they've just they've just expressed that they hate their dad and they just want their dad dead and they just want to inherit you'll get people who the husbands it's been aswajikum maybe tyrannical abusive controlling

towards the wife somebody that they have a duty of care towards you'll get women poisoned venomous spreading hate towards their husbands you'll get parents weaponizing children you will get people stopping the other parent from accessing just today I heard Customs yeah the heart cries I heard a friend of mine you know going through these

difficulties wife had has stopped his um stopped him from seeing the children and attempting to poison them against him you know he said to me that it was his daughter's birthday his daughter I take his similarish age maybe just a bit older than my Layla and he said it was her birthday and he couldn't see her and he just you know just on his own Harry said he bought just a cake and for her and just

In Absentia on his own just celebrated it foreign you know you hear things like this it tears the heart open the people of afflicting other people inflicting this kind of pain and Agony onto people may Allah make things easy for him may he reunite him with his kids and remove that Venom from his wife's heart I mean this where does this stuff get people where does it take him what people who

are ultimately suffering are just the kids why would you want kids you know I you know I speak to other people yeah I speak to other people who people will say you know this parent like let's say this husband he doesn't provide at all he won't give a single pound towards the kids he won't even visit them he won't do it's just off he you know randomly some point in the year comes in says hi Bye doesn't care it goes they they crying for for if only he will have some participatory parental behavior in the children's

lives and then in on other occasions you've got people dying to you know this wanting to so hard people you know this this is this is when when we read in the Quran about the shaytan that this is this is what you know what Allah is saying that the shaytan is an enemy for you that don't let these Whispers these things get the better of you even if somebody has won you you know never first of all never

weaponize children never that that will only hurt them if they grow up without even if look if man and wife don't live together if they even if they don't like even if they hate each other think oh this you know this it's amazing you know the language of the Quran or lie you know the verse that speaks about talaq I'm digressing now because I mentioned that story and you know the verse that speaks about the lock and then Allah seals that verse by telling you okay do this do that then Allah seals it but after

instructing how the lock is done and so on Allah and do not forget Grace and this can this also means the grace you once had between yourselves and also now that you will continue to show well do not forget virtue between yourself but do not forget the virtue and the grace that you once had as well you

know you might hate someone but there was a time you loved them you know there was wasn't there there was there was a time there was something you saw that was so nice about the person or you know but when you see this is it when we hate we it poisons everything we forget everything that what's that famous quote that um that the Love of a Lifetime is forgotten in a moment of hate so yeah but I I I don't that incident I guess it was reason when I was reading this verse it just came to me I didn't actually realize it just occurred to me

so it derailed my thoughts a bit but it's a shame yeah but we will get this in life you get people that and all this happens may Allah make bless everybody's families to and remove any kind of hostility from their hearts but we do see it it's another you know somebody I know a dear friend who once told me that his his son who again through separation uh at one point said to him as a grown-up you know he was trying to ask oh what happened he was concerned about something that

happened and his son just told him to F off wow wow you know that's see but but this comes back to Serbia there is that there is an element of tarbia here but the verse in the Quran here is reminding us that look hostility Maestro it doesn't mean it will always it may strike from much closer than you imagine you're preparing for that battle you're

preparing for that war you're preparing against them a happy God you know even from a monk this is saying even from amongst they can be it doesn't mean there is always but even from amongst your own spouses and your own children can be enemies for you father see the first instruction be wary don't be so

blind and this being weary can mean many things it can also mean that at times you have to know when to give up you know sometimes some we mentioned about relationships people have to know that TK they tried something it doesn't work but let's not have more they have to know when to give up sometimes when to at least when to place certain parameters

but it also means be wary be wary faster take care of yourselves put yourself first you know that thing that they say all the time in planes that if you've got a young you know children with you put oxygen on yourself first then on them because if you don't put it on you you're not going to be able to help them that's why the other verse of the Quran says save yourselves then your families so firstly Allah is reminding you to a duty of self-healing

you want to heal them you want to be there for them the first Allah is saying be there for you be there for you like I don't care about me no Allah cares about you children that they're dear to you you're thinking yeah them but they're my children well you're God's children children we are the children of God not physical children but as the Quran mentions we are God's creatures

so you have a duty father take care of yourself heal if you're feeling yourself getting run down with despair despondency depression you need to you need to activate that willpower and get out of it pull yourself up from the bootstraps however it's done get to the gym get running start eating healthy start taking care of yourself rule number one then the Quran says you see because to take care of yourself

you're self-motivated to do that as well although we get lazy and forgetful and then look at this lesson Allah you see now it's coming back to those people because look when your own family does it to you when your own friends when your own people close to you it hurts harder you know it's that's more hard-hitting as uh had said

that the strike of a family member or somebody near and dear to you is much more hard-hitting than a in their day and age the Muhammad sword which was a sword that used to come from India was really rated as one of the top swords that the Arabs had it says it's more hard-hitting than a Muhammad foreign you

forgive them Allah is saying now that's really this is a hard level this is but see but the bar is being set high for us because that's where we've got to Aspire d foreign remember Allah is a foreign you know how like look at yourself how many times have you wronged people Allah has still showered countless opportunities on you he never stopped his risk for you ever

foreign despite you ignoring your potential ignoring your opportunities ignoring wasting so much of your life wronging other people wrong Allah still Allah was still there for you can you embody some of that characteristic and quality it's a powerful lesson and the twist in it is that if you do you release a prisoner as the quote that

we shared earlier on you come to learn that that prisoner was actually you see the ironies you're actually helping yourself you think you're doing a good deed to them you think yeah jealous ah forget about it you know bike on top icons but actually your self-healing you owe it to you to heal yeah this is honestly we I want to share this and this I think there's a Hadith

just after this in Abu dawood that is in this uh on this theme the unibna burst that the messenger of Allah said and this is a deeper level of isterfar not just the last of philosopher but is this realization for this seeking pardoning not just for you for others seeking betterment for you self-healing seeking betterment for them foreign

person who can abide by that Allah will create for them an exit strategy Allah will create for them and Escape From Any difficulty that they find themselves in life and from every depression furniture a relief and Allah will shower his

upon this person who cannot even imagine where this risk is coming from you know that startup's taking off this contracts coming from here that all of a sudden they're getting hours in another place all of a sudden they're getting another they're getting money they they risk abundance and risk isn't it is in material abundance but also abundance of clarity abundance of contentment abundance of Happiness this person is just happy wherever you see them just beaming this light positivity

like yeah what does this guy eat what is this person what are they what vitamins are they on why are they so happy see this is yeah yeah I really want to share this with us because it's a new year and so many of us are carrying burdens we need to just let go and keep moving forward keep on that journey of self-healing army right I hope that of some help may Allah bless you all amen

bless us all because you know we're all in need of this nobody is we're all in turn we're on the same boat man everybody's just on this journey right let me um see some of your comments and I'm going to share um a link if anybody wants to jump on uh shukran good says I'm home doing nothing well see that's a luxury in itself

right so and we've got it inshallah lies indeed so gracious he is I mean just the Mufti hit me Allah spoke to your situation may Allah bless your situation and create ease for you I mean whatever it may be right uh as londzetta said look don't worry about it that is that is the attitude we have to have in life though don't worry about you know because everything's gonna go

anyway let's enjoy it [Laughter] you see you know just because what was it that Jordan Peterson said he said just because the symphony is going to end it doesn't mean it's not worth listening to I loved that yeah so what else is going on people let me share the link and it's this here it is right all right people

here you go oh shukran shukran clear much appreciated yeah so I've shared the link in the comments right let me yeah well I've had most you know I need to nap after this anyway so let's not take too much of the coffee take all right why not have water

you know on a side note we spoke earlier on about um atheists sometimes attacking Islam so um that what was the first let me see that I I saw something let me see if I can bring it well I've shared the link anyway and until you guys are looking at that let me see I made a note what was it just slipped my mind again um

I'll see if I can um right just bringing this up um

oh right here it is yes uh right oh yes that's it yeah that was it slipped my mind for a moment um right now we're speaking about um and we were speaking about um uh atheists and sometimes what their thoughts on and that was it there was a verse that uh they had um this atheist was saying on there who was

it I can't remember now an American but I don't know whether it was Dillahunty or whether it was uh somebody else um but he said that look here here's a here's this is very somebody had asked him how would you refute Islam and he says oh it's so easy blah blah blah blah blah and he and he says uh God says that he created everything in peers ah there's some creatures reptiles that have parthenogenesis so there you go refuted full stop done

I mean that's just like uh okay you know it's like okay would you like to to to to engage in that question or would you just is that it you know you've just you've said it you've had it you figured it you know TK you you caught God out is that the is that it you you've caught God out it's it's done God's like oh damn we almost got away with it but you know Along Comes This atheist [Laughter]

so you know so so this is the the example now you take this verse now here's a simple example you say okay but does it mean that and say oh but now every time you make a mistake you say it's poet we gotta look at it like poetry we gotta look at it like symbolically we've got to look at oh that's just because you caught out say no but that's how language including the Arabic language is used that's how the Quran actually uses the language so yes there is a verse from Jane and they say oh but this means every

single thing but but does it says here but every all hmm so say okay but what about that verse in what is it sort of where Allah says it's the verse a lie saying uh that that these people were ruined and all that this this this this punishment came and engulfed these people

that this um like a hurricane kind of storm that came that destroyed the whole uh that that town destroyed everything for us

um that's the same verse carry on reading so you could not see any any remnants for them except their abodes except their buildings but I thought it said I thought it began by saying [Music] destroyed everything so that you could not find from their remains except their buildings that's a verse of the Quran that's not that's how that language is used that's how Arabic is used that's

how many of languages are used that when you are saying something it is in context it does have a context it is addressing something so this is a known thing in osul whenever a person studies which is just part of rhetoric and understanding a deeper grasp of language in Arabic they one of the things you come across is things like this discussion when the word cool is used does it always mean cool it doesn't like obviously it means all but it doesn't

it's just in context to something so just as if I said oh yeah I finished it all or yeah I know it all does it mean that a person that there's every single thing is consumed right no it's within that context so just as if a person said hey I'm the first person to come here today or okay if I was to say hey I'm the first person to write I'm the first I did this I got the answer that doesn't mean that the first ever it just means the first in that situation

so yes I remember watching that clip and and it was just the look on his face with the kind of like haha it's like oh you want me to debunk the Quran well it said you know I mean parthenogenesis you're thinking ah Point yeah you know angels are like yeah foreign

you got to see the humor in these things ah so yeah amazing so this is why people actually want to dialogue that's much more interesting all right let's see I did share the link um right okay is this the link here let me share that

what do we call bad has me indigestion I don't know why we're asking that but yep right people let me see who we have today I've got to just all right it's always feel look as a pilot you know that reminds me I saw this clip I mentioned pilot and I saw this um I'll just bring this up while sign this clip um about some flight that's Landing in Nepal I take it that crashes

and it was so damn I mean it's somebody is um uh live streaming the The Landing so you know he's just saying look uh it's just oh look we're about to learn and he's saying some stuff in Hindi and just laughing and joking and and he's even I think making some jokes about uh oh you know what's going on or something but then the next thing you know everything's jolted around and and there's just Flames everywhere and it's still live streaming and then obviously it cuts off

within literally five seconds it's like the whole thing maybe 10 seconds it's like yasalam you know just like that their lives were gone it's really gripping to just watch wow may Allah make it easy on their families I mean um right so what's going on when I look at my when I somebody said how do we deal with materialism how do we cure it and Emmy said well when I look at my bank account my material isn't good

all right I haven't haven't put this on in settings right one moment I gotta activate oh it is I can hear it loud and clear I've ride who do we have here we have is heart is hark if you switch on your webcam so we could see the null on your face then we could bring you on assalamu alaikum how are you doing

you know today there was uh this this post going of uh people sharing it that the Jinn are on Twitter I don't know if you've seen this have you seen it that some some some people are sharing that this gin has created a Twitter page and they're like oh my God and he's got a hundred thousand followers already well it's all right where are you joining us from is hark I love the vibe you've got going on by the way man this whole Malcolm X thing I'm feeling it you know that's it that is Iconic yeah I'm joining you from uh from Copenhagen Denmark

oh wow okay yeah I can you know I've lately been um uh uh reading up on on the uh on changing your life through um through changing your your thought process and after a um I think it was a three-month course I took at the proctor Gallagher Institute I don't know if you've heard about heard about it but it focuses on the law of attraction okay and um uh one of the things I don't know if you've heard about the The Law of Attraction yeah yeah or you know the law of vibration but but in order to to

attract the things you want in in life you have to um because because on a Quantum realm everything is in vibration and everything has a positive and a negative and and human beings we are able to to um to stimulate our molecules in a positive direction and in a negative Direction all depending depending on how our thought processes work and if and I I like the uh the example of of a man in the woods who who spots a bear and and when he sees it his digestive

system stops his nervous system um pumps adrenaline and and and and his heart rate increases which may which makes him set off quicker than he he's usually able to run now let's say that it wasn't a bear but it was actually some naked hairy guy he saw in the woods that looked like a bear that tells us that um that his body is not responding to to what he saw but what but how he how he perceives yeah and um

that that made me um that made me it's uh it reminded me of the the saying I believe it was Hassan and basri who said uh to contemplate for just one hour is better than um than 17 70 years of worship I think I think that that's how the Hadith goes just just aggravates me a bit because because I wish I knew this stuff before you know and and um there I think there's a a lack of uh of of emphasis on on the Islamic

how do you say the Islamic um uh standpoint when it comes to the law of attraction I don't know if you have uh you've ever uh like read up anything on anything yeah yeah I mean you're right from an Islamic uh I've spoken a few times on this but I've when we say written on it I don't think there is much written on it and I agree with you that I think there's so much that is just being missed here because it is there is a reality to certain obviously it depends as well because certain there's a huge overlap in what is being meant and then there are some fringes as

well when people say these things Law of Attraction but generally to to understand it in in this way that what we're saying is your mindset the thoughts they impact your world right now that is undeniable I mean we will have several studies will show people so so taking negativity as an example and negativity seems to plague the Mind much more than positivity and people who had experiments where they repeat negative thoughts to themselves or repeat positive thoughts and and the results

they find um I mean all there's been so many studies on things like this so and just even the vibrational you know the fascinating study I believe is a Japanese study where they had people saying shouting angry things at a plant yeah and where they were saying nice things to to loving kind of like not just loving but they were expressing this emotion towards a plant a group of people and then seeing how the plant deteriorated or it just prospered and grew so all of these things um that there are there's research as well showing this and from an Islamic

perspective I I often cite the Hadith that um that Allah is saying that I treat my person as he expects me to treat them so if you expect and it comes back to that thing if you are anticipating goodness in the world you are anticipating prosperity and risk and abundance then you shall find it 100 if you have

that and and it's fascinating because at the thought level the realm of thought is the realm of Nia of intention that's that same Realm and there's so much in Islam about Nia about because Nia is kind of like it's organized thought because thought is just you know you're getting this you get oh oh there's a thought is a thought you know and then you you organize it in a way and that is the realm that that is that kind of domain of Mia now otherwise people you know people ritualize these things they started saying well Mia is you know I'm making Nia to go to sure I mean if that

helps you you're saying it aloud but really it's about it's about an attitude right you've got that it's about those that if you want to say it on this level that vibrational element you've got that and I uh just last week actually went over a first um which is a really powerful verse and it's in line with all of this um and it's it's a it's very well known that woman

and and I said that many people read this uh at one layer so they say that you know you do not will something and they read illah as unless uh God will sit so they read it from that perspective that basically allows in control and if Allah Wills then you will have that good deed sure that's one way of looking at it but I said that the other way and this is you see you apply fresh eyes and the Quran gives you it adds meaning to your daily life that look same verse same word you do not will something accept that

Cardwell said by you willing something having that you see you bring it into your Forefront that I I'm get I've got the I want to do this Allah will sit to happen it's the same verse and this it's so much more empowering yeah and so at 100 and I and I love that there's been these studies as well and you're probably you know very familiar with them on this on the brain heart coherence right as well yeah and it's fascinating that that you see I I found that really intriguing that they were saying that the showing

that the heart creates a magnetic field like it it has an impact of a kind of of a very obviously a small magnetic resonance around it and it says which can span anything between three feet to maybe five six feet in certain um what they were sampling and that's just based on the the the the the the beat the electrical kind of element to the heart that it's creating that most definitely it can also sorry to cut you in but it can also be there's a uh I I forgot his name but there's a uh a Russian uh photographist he actually um invented a way to capture a person's

energy wow depending on what mood they were in so it's it's it's uh it's something that can actually be be Quantified no wow and and if a person and this uh who you know the name slipping my mind now what's the name of the he he's very famous for speaking about this stuff all the time he's really popular has all these courses as well and things but Andrew doctor no no no not Andrew doctor is it is it Joe something but uh but right so uh but he speaks of well you see you have this this kind of uh electromagnetism this field that is kind

of created but he speaks about if you get your thoughts in aligned with that that if you he's speaking about this coherence that if the mind is there as well it has a different impact and this in the Islamic tradition is where people will say that with the presence of certain people they have this this kind of this this Baraka of a feel that it changes hearts that by just meeting someone the heart has changed right yeah and and I feel this is all that same uh thing and I agree with you I think uh

there can be so much done on this um yeah but not to turn it um but to avoid any superstition because this is why I said there could be some beliefs on on the fringes where people um they might turn into look if I don't say this on so many times that something bad is going to happen or if I don't oh my God I didn't uh you know I'm not it's not going to manifest because I didn't do my what what do they call them the the affirmations I didn't do my affirmation and oh my God now it's not going to happen so it's not to to avoid all that kind of where it turns

superstitious right just to take the good but yes so so have you been you've been into reading into a lot of this for a while yeah yeah yeah yeah and and it just you know um it just gave me a new A Whole New Perspective to life uh well one short testimony it has also transformed transformed my my life in incredibly especially coming from a um a salafi background when I was a teen uh and then you know graduating from that into into you know deeper thought but uh yeah so um yeah that's just one of the the key issues I wanted to discuss I also have a um some of the thoughts that have really

been been grappling with me uh lately especially since I I got a son um oh mashallah bless Allah yeah okay so it's it's a bit hard for me to articulate this because English is is not no longer my my first language even though I did uh attend a British school when I was Aladdin English English is awesome yeah thanks it's awesome yeah yeah yeah uh when it comes to um to to to young people and and marriage I mean the Discord the Islamic discourse is just filled with so much useless

Dogma that that I have seen I have seen so many uh of my friends lives completely ruined and it's not because these people are bad people it's because the discourse the rarely uh takes into account contemporary issues so so let's let's say that we have a person X who um who's reached his 20s and he's um he's uh he's for lack of better words he's in his his sexual prime right so so just be clear he he just wants sex and

uh and you know us men especially I think uh we have a tendency to not be fully mature until we are in our 40s and and then I absolutely second that that's 100 right I think that once we reach our 40s it it's starting the journey now has just begun exactly you seem very young though I I just turned 30. 30. yeah that's what you precociously arrived at this yard you're ahead of you're ahead of your head of the curve you are martial well you should tell them to my wife

can can you please put the gun down [Laughter] yeah so so uh okay I from from 22 to 40s what what usually happens to so many young men is that we we are evolving and that means our priorities change if you saw me when I was in like 17 18 you see you see a beard you know uh uh you you see me totally disheveled grumpy angry all the time um and and I know that feeling I was there as well yeah and that is because I was living a

very you know Hardline uh selfies hardcore life but but as you mature you start to evolve now now this is this is just a very you know basic example but but this happens to everybody and and what also happens uh people who choose their spouse in their 20s that also means it means that their preferences also change with time naturally so so so what happens is you have at least I can speak in in Denmark I mean out here we have a a huge disaster of a whole generation of single mothers Muslim single mothers out there

who got who got married when they were young simply because the amount the the shapes and the whole not just the shakes because the shakes they're just a symptom I'm talking about a whole you know Global discourse Islamic dysport discourse and when you um when you ask the chefs uh we you talk you talk to to Scholars about well you know it's difficult to get married uh you know the stakes are high and and and not to mention you know common law I think even in the UK it's not only half that a woman gets it's your entire net worth that she also inherits even before you you got married I mean what I find on a side note those things

absolutely tyrannical right and they're very it's a shame because these things I get it they I feel that they are um they're destroying the very thing they came to protect because the point was to protect the rights of women which 100 should be done but what it's doing is now people and I don't blame them are not interested in the institutional marriage right right yeah so so basically um and even you know uh with modern elements all around us when when you are first of all monogamy is not natural let's just be honest it's not it's not

natural for for the common kill one then you convinced me give me one give me one reason why it's not natural one well biology I'm convinced okay yeah I mean I mean men are stuck in a men men are stuck in in a in a dilemma of a post-colonial reality I mean we don't have concubines to today unfortunately we don't have I mean okay In some cultures especially you know in in African societies it's not that uncommon to it's

not that unheard of to find polygamous families or women who accept polygyny however it is still very expensive yeah um especially for young men who do not have the means that are and are in their sexual primate then you have you have mobile gadgets you have you have cell phones I I remember back in the day when uh when one of our our imams very pristine imams uh was asked what he's supposed to do with with his mobile phones if he's gadgets because he keeps looking at Tick-Tock and and women shaking their graceful proportions so to speak um they're contemplating over the his contemplating of the creation of God creation of Allah

there's some people who you know everything just reminds them back to the path yeah and and and so they and and mind you that this this scholar is is very intelligent but but it even but his answer it was really indicative of how of how even how religion religious Dogma can even you know uh uh make even the most intelligent that manga is so stupid because what what the Imam said was oh well then you should throw your your gadgets away

I I go to work with them and even for school and so on then he said oh well then you should fast I was just thinking get real man come on what what world are you living in what world are you living living in so tell him get fast you're not you're not offering offering any practical Solutions basically it comes down to this I you know I heard once uh somebody say I was in this talk and this year who's being asked this question and he said you know what he said uh at that time the guy said I think the question was the person takes his laptop or he takes these devices into the bathroom and it takes these devices into it and

obviously it's it's to continue watching the Netflix show that he's watching what else it's to continue learning they don't want to interrupt their learning of course right so um well the audio book is just that good he's like yeah I gotta keep on so the chef said uh oh did he say bathroom I think he said no actually bedroom I think he said bedroom right so he said he does this in the bedroom and so the chef said okay what you do he said he said just take he said take you take the door off its hinges like seriously you said like just don't have a door and he said you'd rather

have that than the fire of hell and I thought wow it's but it's just I I was quite because first I thought he said it as a joke but he didn't he said it he was seriously saying he was like yeah he was unscrew the hinges and remove your door yeah and that way you won't be and I thought okay but it just comes back to what you're saying yeah yeah exactly so so basically basically it comes down to this our children are are going to grow up and sooner sooner or later my my my young and uh Malik um he's going to ask me about you know all right I like it yeah

he's three-year-olds old now but but when he turns 15 16 I'm gonna you know be confronted with uh with an issue and that is do I do I accept do we as a community need to accept that that marriage the way we um ontologically understand marriage do we have accepted as obsolete or or um what other Solutions are there I mean okay there is there is a personally I do I am a uh a big fan of Eden ashur and he's uh his view on Anika but but um

but just for research purposes check whether it works I tried it a couple of times it actually works purely academic but but even then I mean come on how many Muslims especially Sunni Muslims are you going to find uh uh accepting their daughter their daughter participating in that type of institution not because it's wrong within within within of a selfish it's just because the whole discourse is so sectorialized you know yeah it's just full of sectarianism even though the shears do have a point and I remember when I was when I was younger all my Sunni friends would just be you know glossing over the oh my God those

guys are so lucky you know yeah I mean do we do do we just have to to accept that there are no real solutions because I don't know a good question man you know just on a side note I'm really intrigued you seem also like you have you've had a journey of Islamic learning as well and I'm just curious what what is a bit of that if you share a bit of that with this I'm just really intrigued well and then we'll come and we'll come back to this question because this is a very important discussion yeah yeah so so I converted to Islam when I was 17 years old um

I I was also fortunate enough because um the the high school I attended um a year later uh added Arabic as a uh as a language you could learn at a very high level okay well this is a regular school it's not an Islamic school no I know it was the highest yeah it was just okay yeah so um and then um with my uh my uh Arabic uh uh as as a language since I had it down on paper I was able to to um attend um a very intensive course in Arabic studies in Morocco

and that was uh sort of my uh my initial well my introduction to to you know Maliki Islam um of which I'm a very huge fan by the way um yeah all the way that's it yeah yeah it is um yeah and yeah so so I I was also very fortunate enough to meet some of the scholars of the of the uh karawaiyin um and and as I uh as I mastered the the Arabic language that also um opened up my my Horizon 2 to a whole new side of Islam that I wasn't aware of

um certainly uh I I am I am still learning uh I'm not being humble but uh but I am still a beginner uh study the uh the the wablisi wow the uh I studied the worst of uh ahmadu Bamba it's uh from Senegal wow uh yeah yeah wow no I love that man that's really that's uh that's good man it's quite a journey wow so you know since you uh 17 embraced Islam you first of all the the

salafi esque kind of Journey that hard line and a lot of people go through that and and that sometimes I think if you go through that in your late teens um it actually can have a cost benefit to it for later on in life in understanding what other people are going through and you you're like well the only Pro I think it's a bit like measles you know if it comes later in life it can be devastating but but if you get it out the way whilst you're young and you you like some kind of hard line I mean not extremist but you're like really aesthetic and like you said you're scruffy and you're but but then

as you grow out of it with maturity you you're like ah yeah I remember I used to behave like this and now I see it differently so yeah okay that's awesome stuff and the Maliki thing as well I think that's really in your link with Morocco I think that's um yeah that's something amazing yeah definitely I mean some of the I've uh I went over there visited a few times actually and and visited at that time now he's retired from the I believe but he was like the grand Sheikh of the karwene uh for a good while that was Sheikh Muhammad roogie spelled it as I mean they write it as a real key with a calf but they pronounced

it as a roogie and yeah and he was um he felt ill some time ago didn't he with the with the kovid thing yes I thought yeah yeah I heard something with the kovid yeah but I I mean I I heard that he did get better but I mean with all of that I'd it gone I think a lot of things just went quiet and because places just quieted down but yeah Morocco overall this you know is another example of where there is so much creative scholarship or thought but it's not really being channeled out or it's

not the platforms are not really there a good example is like you could take the karawin which is arguably amongst the oldest universities in the world and the amongst the oldest Islamic universities so you've got the the three whether it's going to it's going to be a lot of harm and say tuna and it's going to be Halloween and the latitude zaituna and the karwin being Maliki and they have this Legacy of over a thousand years of uh but yet they don't even have a decent functioning website website right yeah exactly they don't yeah like I I tried going on the years ago on the Caribbean website it was just useless it was in French and just had

the academic okay the timetable and stuff and you're like where the hell is the you know exactly how difficult would it be for the and Morocco does have a kind of without a low path it has this uh this whole Ministry which is under the king and he gives he has that funding to it but yeah how difficult would it be to just commission a couple of people or even one person or somebody just give them a salary for a year to develop a website have all these fatal uh have all of these things put on there exactly make it accessible you know especially especially for for non-arabic speakers I think if they spent the first year

just collating it and putting it on there creating a very modern accessible website the second year they can translate it the whole Year's commission is just to translate into English translate into French yeah it's you know that's like wow okay it would be breathtaking and just put it out there on Google make it get you know because you put you go into Google you type in a question and if you were just AI you would assume that the majority of the Muslim world is salafi because that's all because if you're searching in Arabic that's all that comes up right it's like out of

let's say out of 25 websites probably 20 that will come up will just be referencing the same character and this is it and chair cabinet and only if you know what you're looking for you're targeting your questions then you might find that right and you can't even find the kharabian people you can't be you know unless you know exactly their name and everything and the answer exactly then you can find it but right yeah right so yeah yeah

yeah but but when it comes to to to to this to the to the talk to the topic of better sexuality so so what do you think this is really honestly this is such a you know it's like a glitch in in the system because we you know years ago I went on a retreat and and so it must have been I don't know now like probably the better part of now probably about eight years ago or something but I did this Retreat I was invited there

and they were college students and some just entering University and they asked this they asked a question about relationships and stuff like this and I said this then and we're still eight years later we're still at the same Crossroad I said that unfortunately we religion with a capital R I'm not saying religion inherently but the way it's presented the way it's institutionalized religion institutionally like the what we have access to so what's on the menu for example

it appears to offer no solution to this problem it appears to fail on providing a um a real life like it has answers like so there's something on the menu but the answer is like you said they they don't appear commensurate for or to hold much ecological validity real life but you know it'll say things like I'll just get married right but then marriage isn't like marriage is such a big thing in societies and so especially in many Muslim cultures it's like emerging of families and and you wouldn't say to somebody

who's 16 or 17 like you said you know when your kid turns 16 17 and 15 or 18 he's he's most likely going to be having these conversations oh he's going to be ex having these Encounters in Life or at that you know at that Frontier so you wouldn't just say to uh you know a 15 year old or a 17 year old okay go get married um now okay so what else does it offer so what's on the menu so like what what you know we've got this what does it say here so it says well okay fast now that once again that's not a very practical

reply or a real world reply and I'm not saying fasting doesn't have health benefits it has immeasurable health benefits I mean fasting is so beneficial that now uh health nutritionists and um you know Health doctors that is something I've been learning about so much especially since late last summer since I uh since my mother was diagnosed with cancer and one of the things we started to I started to watch and learn was how beneficial fasting is in just overall life it's just shocking the you know the Hadith of the Prophet that fast and you will find yourself in

good health it seems counter-intuitive but it's shocking that now the science is showing so I'm not this is not I'm a huge fan since I found out about fasting and I try to I've in fact since I've been learning about this I I don't I delay my if I want to call it breakfast now if I call it that brunch sure whatever it's till lunch I don't I don't eat from the morning till earlier still be after 11 if not 11 30 or noon and I've been doing that now for a few months so I'm a huge fan of fasting but let's be realistic the if you know it's a it's a very short temporary thing to just saying you know

somebody is it's not this is not an issue of saying something like oh look I've just torn this could you fix it and oh the person this is a this is a lifelong issue like the person has obviously we have a sexual impulse so the question is well what do you do with it and then I highlighted that Scholars for the most part they will even say things like masturbation is hard on which and that that is true isn't it now we're finding in the last uh five years uh some of the the mainstream Scholars uh like you had or say Scholars or people with a large

following online like uh yeah uh if you say Dr Zakir Naik like these people in the last five years have now come on live and said well actually maybe masturbationism but you see let's face it majority of the scholars are still they're refusing to even say that and you know there's this there's this interesting clip that uh I was this one was in in in Urdu where this person is he's got this kind of podcast thing going with it with an Imam with the scholar and and he says to him that

look you know now we know through uh biology we know through science there's so many benefits for masturbation as well you know the release and it can promote testosterone growth it can promote certain things and and it obviously can keep sperm healthy as well like so it so for example a person that ejaculates at least a man male that ejaculates um at least let's say 20 times a month um that protects them or keeps their prostate very healthy and so in addition to many of the things that it boosts immunity fight of infections all these

kind of things so okay he's saying all of this to the uh monovisab and and he says but you know what you still speak you know are you not what do you say about this and and the guy says he says look I know we know this he says yes of course I'm not saying there isn't he goes but we're not going to start now opening this in front of the public so that's the only thing they end up doing like they just sit down and they just keep you know gratifying themselves so Devil's Advocate Devil's Advocate they will justify using the Hadith um

address the people according to the according to that yeah yeah so he says this that oh if we say this then everybody's just gonna sit at home masturbating uh you know and the guy says do you think they don't already like like like do you think they're not doing it because of you not saying it that's just like you have to be incredibly naive to think people are that's just a natural thing which people are going to be doing anyway the difference is they're just going to be grappling with a guilt right of thinking this is oh my god I've done something

filthy and then this creates a very unhealthy uh uh attitude and it creates a very unhealthy mindset towards sex as well because the whole thing is because this because the whole thing is very uh guilt-ridden then because a person feels bad for having this desire and they feel bad for let's say masturbating or they feel bad and this whole thing is just Laden with guilt so I'm this terrible person and it just down Spirals and so then they see this this fingers like this luster something

evil you just kind of throw off you and that's weird because you see Sexual Energy is also a very power a powerfully healing energy that I mean it's and and from the essence and and there are Islamic things of showing even where it's described this in a very positive charity uh made it akin to charity like you think something like that is so uh what it does to a person this being the very source of life and other Traditions obviously speak of this much more but in Islam as well the sexual energy is not something negative

it shouldn't be anyway and it's not the Quran never describes sexual thing as something it just leaves it as natural and the Hadith or at least the these Hadith that show this teaching I know people the Hadith about uh a person who gratifies himself masturbates all of those Hadith are weak or fabricated they're not authentic so coming back to this question and it's an uh amazing question it's very so relevant as well that what what are the solutions because people are not presenting any solutions so they're not even accepting things like masturbation I mean that's like a

you know you said well that's like a just something which people will do regardless whether people say it or not and the other thing about mutta that was something I mentioned back then at the point saying that look I said but the truth is nobody is like the whole discourse is either so like you mentioned so tainted and so kind of all it it's it's it has this negative um feel it it leaves people with a bad taste in the mouth exactly because Mota is seen as oh it's a Shia thing and this whole thing and then I did have a discussion once with someone saying well

um what would the scholars feel about this uh about relationships just relationships that they have that is this akin to I said that would like doesn't itch the heart now like this would be up for discussion this ought to be like a discussion sure people can reject it people can say look no I disagree with it and this is the Dalai and people can argue both sides that are for example especially in this part of the world relationships where people just they're committed to someone like they have boyfriend girlfriend but they they're in a commit committed relationship and people know is this

their then not would this be would the concept of nikah extend to covering that so that ought to I would say well that's one step forward that it ought to be a discussion um but and people can refute it they can say no you know I don't accept it because based on this I present this alternative or I say people could do this or I say you know whatever let it being a discussion because in the past you know you you said earlier on about concubines slave guilds and that's obviously something that is not part of the modern discourse but in

the past it's interesting I mentioned that look when we when we look at Islamic firk it came across a like people can look people can stand on both sides they can loathe or they can love this this concept of concupenage okay this this kind of concubines and slave girls and and the sexual aspect involved sure but I'm not even looking at that I'm not even you know for this moment I'm not even that's not even the point that's not the point the point is that this is what I'm looking at I'm looking at the fact that actually this was a very

difficult topic when you think about it like think about it there was a topic that involved sex which is in many cultures a taboo or it's seen as dark this kind of oh this lustful energy and and the scholars of the era were presented with a challenge where they saw that okay people had slaves and servants and these things anyway but now there's this element of having sex with them and then they saw this thing of well well people are going to do it anyway and you see it's interesting that you

see to me it's not the topic it's the fact how they grappled with it I guess they very openly just embraced it they just said well and they made it part and parcel of the thick books right and people could say well actually some of it is in the Quran well you see well well what's in the Quran is in is subject to you know sure some interpretation the scholars ex like if you read the books are fake they cover a lot more than what's in the Quran they cover so much more they included all these extra parts so they just realized okay this is a challenge of the age

what are we gonna do we could either say look okay we're going to circumvent this we're going to do this or or we just we have to recognize that this is here it's here to stay for the foreseeable future right so let's tackle it and that might include coming out with some bizarre statements you know so people might say when I say look when I propose as a topic for discussion should girlfriend boyfriend be considered a committed relationship be committed be should the Nika extend to that yeah now that may be seen as a bizarre statement but then you've got topics like well they they cover in all

the thick books right uh in most of the thick books okay if you're going to buy a slave girl well okay well well can can you look at her naked parts can you look at her uh you know can you can you can you touch and feel and they have this discussion you know in as a detailed discussion and this is hundreds and hundreds of years ago the are saying well okay well actually you know you can and that that by today's standards that's totally bizarre exactly by today's standards people would just be doing window shopping all day yeah yeah because it just says well you can go and have a feel of this of this woman and you can say well you know okay I like this um you know this how

about that ones and how about this one and yeah okay with my credit card and so it's so now that that's very bizarre right I'm and that's incredibly radical but it's mainstream it's in the mainstream books it's not I'm not reading something Fringe I'm reading something mainstream that is so bizarre I mean you mean everybody would agree that that is such a bizarre statement but but look to what extent they engineered to try to incorporate even the bizarre for what they felt was a challenge for their day and age yeah so

so if you forget the topic I mean I don't want the topic to discuss people forget the topic for a moment just look at the engineer the kind of Daring engineer Ingenuity to kind of to to to to to to go out there put themselves out there just to come up with some solutions right that's it is quite breathtaking yeah yes yeah so yeah so so basically um it it is a matter of changing changing the uh the perspective of the you know uh without taking lovers

but that but then if if uh if the uh done you see that that's a that's a good one yeah because like because that's you see this is what I mean if if people if we have a discussion because the question is wouldn't like it's not saying but like now we'd have to really look into what was this culture this culture that don't take these you're right these kind of what appears to be these secret lovers that or the the people are married and they're taking these things on the side

what was what was this about because somebody could just say well that's easy because that's wrong and that you know that's wrong in Islam just from a morale let's say somebody's coming from a morality perspective but then sure having sex with your slave should be wrong as well you know like I'm just saying like if we're going from that morality then it would be easy to say well no just outlaw this as well so it becomes a um you know the the inner at the the kind of mechanics of the the

thickly operational operation uh going on it's more complex than sometimes people think like people come at it from like people will say look oh it's about and it is about all of these things I'm not pushing one thing off the table I'm saying it's just more complicated than people think like when they take the concept of uh uh morality and they say well you know this is sure but we're just coming from a better morality perspective but then they say well you could say well okay but the slave girl thing is very interesting because it's all part and

parcel of every single fit book in Islam and it says that the whim the slave girl's breasts are not not necessary to be covered so you think well come on let's be realistic which man would not be stimulated uh by just seeing women's breasts now it doesn't it doesn't matter whether she's a slave girl to the man it definitely doesn't matter and today's psychological studies sociological studies show that actually men are not as impacted by status as opposed to like when they've done social experiments on having for example men either dress like this some VIP or dress just well or

dress like they're somebody that just works you know does a kind of like a a menial kind of job or some labor or some kind of bricklayer they dress like that and then they approach women and what they do is they see that how far can this person with that attire get so can you get a number can you get a conversation can you flirt can he get it to go on a date can you get it to to sleep with him can what and they found that the person who comes off as a VIP or like somebody really wealthy Liberty high value man he can almost get everything yeah and the one that comes off dressed well but maybe not as a high

value but still just dressed reasonably well got some style to him can mostly get everything or get quite far and the one that comes off like he just Stacks shelves in in a Tesco or in a nasda supermarket or just works at a petrol pump they often cannot get far at all but when what's interesting is when they've reversed the roles and had women dress accordingly every single woman got everywhere with the man it's like it didn't make a difference like if she was ready to sleep with the guy the guy it doesn't matter what her status was social status he was happy to sleep with her yeah so we so this argument that oh men weren't

interested in the women because they were servants and slaves like every man writing that knows that okay well I don't really believe that but okay I'm gonna say it anyway yeah and yeah it makes such a fabulous you know this is such a pertinent discussion yeah but the problem is with with these as well is that um you know there's this panopticism this kind of um you see there's this Muslims or this kind of like self-regulatory watchdog yeah

uh are you familiar with the panopticon yeah I've seen everything yeah so the panopticon for people who don't know was it's basically I mean a lot of people use it people like Foucault often speak of it but it's it goes back to Jeremy Bentham who postulated that look he kind of engineered or he he he he designed this prison that would with all the guards would be in this kind of like circular cylinder kind of shape the prison we with this watchtower at the top with these Bright Lights coming out and all the prison cells would be open so each prisoner could see another

prisoner and he argued that the bright light on the Watchtower would be that bright that you can't tell whether the guard is watching you so because if you look up you just see the light and you can't tell so because you can't tell you there's a chance he is watching you and therefore you self-regulate your behavior right so this panopticon effect which people who are interested in power structures like Michelle Foucault and other people often speak about is this is what's going on this panopticism and that we that the Muslim uh the islamosphere

kind of self-regulates itself by oh I think he's watching me so I better not say anything that's out of line or I think she's watching me or that group and and they end up just shackling themselves and this is yeah this is unfortunately an an issue which I don't know how we can overcome that yeah maybe with time there will be some solution sure yeah I appreciate your your perspective um the the other thing that has uh that that had me uh doing mental uh gymnastics for so long is

is the the arguments of the well the huja of the Quran how how can the Quran I mean for me personally I have absolutely no doubt we just you know reading the Quran that this can this is just so Divine but but for for none especially pertaining to so let's let's say this how can the Quran be a um an argument against mankind well not an argument against mankind but an argument for for the truth of Islam how can how can the Quran be an argument or the validity for the

for the whole backbone of Islam when most of humanity does not speak Arabic ancient Arabic at that and that you have to undergo intensive Decades of of studying the Arabic language morphology and so on just to get somewhat uh you know a grasp of how of of the of the Divinity of the Quran how how can how can the Quran then be an argument for Islam right yeah I mean yeah that's that's a

powerful and a good question rephrasing some of the words so I wouldn't so I wouldn't word it in that way in saying that the Quran is there as this um you know it's this ultimatum in the sense that aha you didn't hear this now down you go because I think that's misframing the message I accept many there may be many Muslims that believe so that do think like that but I don't believe the Quran itself

is positioning itself in that way rather the Quran it's not you see so people often I think there's a um you know there's a gap and people are filled in the Gap and they've made their own assumption so people will often say well how do you know Islam is true well it's the Quran and right now the question is well the Quran doesn't necessarily say it like that sure it calls people to ponder over God but it doesn't necessarily say it like um it does say that at certain times

have they not pondered over the Quran and that they don't find conflicting contradictions in it it calls you to ponder over things like this but it doesn't say it in this way that right anybody who reads this must believe and if they don't believe like this is a compelling like this is a 100 airtight reading that this is just an injection of Iman like it it offers 100 immunity to kuffa if you if you take this you've cuff that's it you're you're a mean that clearly is not the case otherwise the the mushrikeen of Makkah when they heard the Quran would have become Muslim

so that was never the Quran never positioned itself in that way what it did say is that man Atta who came back that who came with this sound heart prepared to ponder then these words will resonate a deep majesty and Glory that if they ponder over that it will leave them just so wild so sure if not everybody will approach the Quran and many will approach the Quran not

being able to understand its Arabic like today but what the Quran what Islam what the what the objective was is that this Quran was revealed to the prophet with the people surrounding him they were the recipient Community this was to become a seed in their hearts if they approached it by Calvin Salim with a with this kind of Heart of trying this tranquil heart ready to ponder they would then become a seed metaphorically for the communities that come after them and then you would have

this flourishing this kind of this tree that is this ummah that grows and and its fruits that it bears are for the world to see so the world could see our fruit like they could see wow but this is what this the Quran this is what Islam has changed and this is why the prophet was when he was described he was the walking talking Quran what did that mean that he was the walking talking Quran where he and where he's teaching people Manas he's teaching them forbearance he's teaching them Humanity so people can

wow because people let's let's face it few people in humanity arrive at something just by uh reflection and pondering and a search many people for most people it's actions speak louder than words most people I was listening to um this podcast once again about um time I'm forgetting who it was now but it's some this this was a woman explaining why she was an atheist so she said well I used to be a devout Christian and she said and I went through this you know years of she's an

American she said I went through all these things and I was really devout and and she said well one day I heard this one Christian mistreating somebody and saying well these people will all go to whatever it was it was some kind of and her Circle just echoed that and the attitude she said I just gave up on Christianity and most people who deal with faith it is like this or they deal through things it's actions speak louder than words that is true that is yes so that's how I would say that the Quran remains preserved protected sure when people when if if somebody by their search

arrives at the Quran and they even even if they read it in another language it will hold a very it will strike their hearts with all that is there but their hearts have to be fertile for that they have to be it doesn't mean the Quran doesn't not say that you know this is um proof that every single person that you present me read me to any person they become a movement that that's that that's bizarre nobody has ever said the prophet never said that the Quran itself has never said that yeah you know so yes and and I you are right that there are people that

sometimes misunderstand misconstrue they say things and they maybe they say for a deep uh love that they have for the Quran so but and this you know saying it in this way hyperbolically and but it's it's it's inaccurate what they're saying it's a misplaced love but it's yeah it's probably like that yeah that makes that makes perfect sense because because one of the uh you know I used to uh to to have these uh outings with uh I don't know if you've heard about ayera oh yeah yeah right yeah so that that was there that that well is that still is it still going or why yeah I think sure it

is uh yeah I met with abdurahim green at one point um so that that was the uh like the the moderate segment of cell if he's uh uh students to hang around with but one of the uh you know as a as a Salesman also uh somebody who had the experience in sales what you would often do is that before you went out and do dawa you would you would try to imagine what type of of counter arguments or what type of objects objectives especially a smart person would ask and I definitely definitely knew that I mean if I if I meet a smart person who's gonna say to me how do you know the Quran is from God

and I just say well because of the the pristine Arabic language and it's not going to cut it yeah because they because most of the world doesn't speak Arabic and in fact I'm pretty sure if I recalled correctly I watched it years ago since he spoke of Ira um because you have hamza's sources he's a it's a lovely brother you know and so and I have great respect for him but he had a debate years ago with Lawrence Krauss yeah and and I'm pretty sure this point Lawrence Krauss has picked out at him saying because I'm sure he asks him that but do you speak Arabic and he says no I'm

learning this and he says Ah so you don't read it yourself and that was a bit of I mean that was a major kind of slacking point you know where Lawrence krausser clearly got one over him at that point in the debate later on obviously they both have their own perspectives but at that he he'd come at him with I think it was this argument and and he kind of just spur of the moment got him I don't even think he knew uh because I think he assumed he understood Arabic but he just asked him and he's like ah so you don't oh wait a minute so and so yeah this is you see that the message that the connection that we have at the

heart of religion is is it's truly it is the sacred and it is in science kind of this this yearning that they that we have are born to the secret there is a kind of inner devotion that seeks it out and we're perplexed with it and we're kind of terrified by it at the same time you know this mysterium tremendous it terrifies but it it also fascinates you know beyond measure this we have and I feel that is our like moths to a flame

you know symbolically that we are drawn to the Divine this and we say Allah you know it's kind of almost like this terrifying Glory but at the same time this this unimaginable love is that Allah has so yeah there is I we're I I find myself honestly man like I've I'm I'm I'm learning um you know you said you were learning and I'm saying this as well not in not trying to be humble but in a I was just pondering over at the beginning of this year over how last year has been and I try to think about all the great things

and I try to think about um and I think everybody should and you know just and you might not there might be obvious things like maybe materialistic gains or obvious you know things but but there's things we're not sometimes considering and I was I was thinking more about that actually about how my Consciousness has has been altered how um I felt that this this kind of more of a healing I felt this spirituality and and I was just thinking about all these things and and how that spirituality it's akin to a kind of I don't know it's

like a wisdom it's like a maturity of thought but I don't want to say wisdom because wisdom is like oh you're like wise but it's not about wise but it's you just it's the same thing where you just understand it with a bit more ah you know it's it's a bit more of a grounding to it and and we're all on this journey and and you know may Allah religion all religion religion is a journey man absolutely and wow and I'm really glad you had this conversation with me I'm this we've got to do a Mind Trap you know let's get Let's Get You On the Line trap and have a discussion this has been a kind of like a mini Minecraft I've

loved it the conversation has flowed and it's been absolutely a beautiful hopefully I was like I I'm really elated to to finally get hold of you until until until next year of course we'll see you again but you know what you dropped me a message on Instagram um and just try yeah I have actually uh I don't know do you do you remember a uh a baby boy who was laughing at you on television when you when you when you kept on going die die okay right well that was myself oh right okay okay you know what send me

a message again right and what I'll do is I'll also I'll send you my number we'll we'll stay connected inshallah do you mind what just one short question chill go for it go for it also covered all these wonderful topics contemporary yeah um when it comes to to hair extensions wigs or or you know fake eyelashes how do because you I heard you say that that that it is permissible but then how do we reconcile that when Scholars have actually uh authenticated Hadith you know cursing the the musad and must also that and and that Benny is used to be cursed because they they put on hair extensions and so on

yeah that's that's a good one actually because right so so there is this Hadith very famous Hadith of uh in bukhari and it goes through a whole thing a whole collection of Allah and it mentions all these um women who pluck here and women who uh you know do tattooing and women who who do the tattooing who receive the tattooing women who remove the hair for other women those women who have their hair removed uh you know those women who straighten their teeth they have their

teeth kind of straightened and and and those women who who straighten it for them and those women who extend the hair and those women who extend it for them and so this is a really interesting uh Hadith because right at its and and because what is it speaking about now some people so first of all even in its wording so some people say that the prophet is saying Allah has cursed these women another explanation is no that even I think it's abnormal is saying that the prophet cursed them

by saying Allah like when you curse someone like I say you know it's it's a like I it's I'm saying it expressing it as like God damn you like that so it's not the statement that God has damned like it's not a habri statement this is an inch it's an imperative like I'm saying God you know make God damn you like that like I'm expressing just as in certain Hadith the prophet has said uh certain statements so that's the first that's an interesting discussion on this thing uh

where can I find this discussion so I I'm pretty sure mentions it in his discussion all right if you if you just type in this Hadith on Google sure and you look for the commentaries on it um that uh is this uh and if you type in um I'm just thinking that um that that might bring it up or even if you say this uh Joomla uh is it uh

hopefully so right now okay so that's a fast intriguing point but the next layer is okay how do we treat this Okay so here it gets interesting because the some Scholars will say that this is categorically Haram for every single woman so let's put them on this side and you might get from them the salafia you might get today maybe you get some of the hanafia in there as well uh they say this is Haram and every single woman uh you know all of these actions

then you'll get some Scholars that will say no like even on Josie for example but even or Josie in his he he will say that no this the prophet salallahu was cursing a particular women that were that he describes they were certain women that were on the outskirts of Medina that were prostitutes and they were and and he was upset with what they were doing and and this was a curse this was the characteristics of them it's like as if if I said you know like imagine we're speaking about Wall Street

Bankers because of what they've done and I said you know God damn these men who just sit in suits drinking coffee with newspapers open all day uh and it's not really me saying God damn these men who just sit in suits and but really we we had in mind these Wall Street Bankers who have you know done something let's say with certain hedge funds and done certain things so they're seeing this as descriptive so that's Ibraham Josie and a few of the people they say this is just with certain uh those women it's not about women in general then you you get this Continuum this move along this

spectrum so you will get so for example these people saying categorically it's Haram for all women always some people will say well right okay it's Haram but some things are exempt from that so for example women removing facial hair because the Hadith says women cannot remove facial hair but several of the methamps malikia will say of course women can remove facial hair the chef here will say yes they can remove facial hair uh the hanafia even in Imam Muhammad in his kitable athar brings everywhere from Aisha saying that yeah you know remove whatever doesn't look that uh you know kind of looks a bit off but keeping in mind that the

Arabs back then were not excessively hairy they were not very hairy people so different cultures can be very hairy so saying that when Aisha is saying yeah you know she can straighten up here around her face and stuff if she has here but that's because many women didn't they weren't excessively like you might find South Asian women can sometimes be let's say shall we say blessed with with more of that so they may need to exercise that a lot more uh now okay so so some people they make that accept uh exception um another exception so people and the

malachia speak about this by the way so the Maliki essay and I'll tell you in the Maliki fit books they say that women can remove facial hair there's no issue with that they say women can and they even some of them allow the tattooing because some of the Berber women used to do tattoos and stuff so you'll you'll find that discusses this in his commentary on bukhari you'll find in the uh the Suki covers this in his commentary on sorry did I say

so they say what about this Hadith so they say yes this Hadith is speaking about women when they're in there oh it's a woman whose husband has died or if she's just you know she's been in a very tumultuous relationship just had a divorce she should for a certain period a grace period if the husband has died she's in a state of mourning um and some people extend it to the divorcee as well she should be in a state of that is not kind of just glamorizing herself and doing things and

because it's going to cause hurt to the family of the deceased so you know if if somebody's they've lost a son or a brother or somebody and next day his wife's all you know done up and she's all this and it may cause even though she's in her personal right but you see these things could cause social disease like people could be like what the hell is wrong with her you know husband hasn't you know his body's not even cold yet and she's all of a sudden all you know like these things and people and and the emotions are high and so you know just keeping it is Sharia is

all about just wisdom and Wealthy so look it says look just keep it cool for whether it's Scholars disagree whether it's one month or three months or for the dead person four months ten days like it has this period look just it's okay people are in a state of mourning yeah the malikia says and so and people can check this up but they say that look this Hadith here that this especially when they're speaking about plucking the here they say the pluck in the here is speaking about the woman not about General women so they restrict it to that some and some malikia include

tattooing the washimat and they because they say the Berber women had this as part of their culture and it's not necessarily Haram and karafi as a discussion is commentary on sahih Muslim on the same Hadith he has the discussion of what about uh women having uh extensions with strings hmm so they tie strings into their hair to kind of bulk it and this was in 900 years ago of course yeah so he says well that's not Haram that's not included that's fine so what he's saying is this Hadith is more to do with misleading

someone so if the misleading was very clear then it would be Haram so if this Hadith they say that if if somebody if you were meeting someone let's say you're meeting to get married or you're meeting to do something and you've got a bunch of fake things on like you're misleading them with what the quality of your hair you're misleading them with and and they think oh this is such a beautiful person wow now you could say Well they're shallow but still you're misleading them and they said that this applies to misleading which today money issue a lot

of people with the amount of makeup that you see it is very misleading does this also entail human hair because some schools didn't make a distinction whether you are using horse hair or human hair even even those yeah so that's the same extension that called the yante is saying with those people that are using strings uh to to I don't so you know uh for example South Asian women now I don't know whether they do it but when we were kids like my mom's generation used to do it they used to have this thing which we used to call uh a paranda but they would tie it into their hair it was like it was just made out of strings and stuff but it was it had this

bulk to it but it would tie into the it would uh tie into the plot of the hair and it would give it this I guess a bulkier more presence now but everybody knew what it was so I don't think people in Pakistan where they even though they're very harsh against these things would see that as Haram uh although technically would add it would be part of the Hadith that they are adding something to their and in that discussion you're right they some say well is is it just human here some say is it is it cloth or strings some say it's the animal here all of these things would come into it okay and this point would be is this to mislead someone or

not and if it wasn't to mislead um you know is it so that so all so you've got some people categorically Haram and another interesting point is today you see technically by that Hadith having braces or to be Haram right which today nobody would consider braces or straightening your teeth uh to be Haram but according to this you know when when they straighten the tree teeth sometimes they may even dentists today they may kind of level some of the teeth like they kind of like use a I don't know what it is like a grinder or something and they may level out some of the teeth or if something is a bit too sharp they live that's what it was what

the women were doing then they had these files and they filed the teeth so that's what the Hadith says so today nobody considers uh Dental Braces Haram so it's interesting really this Hadith on its true literal uh wording nobody is adhering to the whole Hadith today yeah literally some people are adhering to most of it some people say no this Hadith only applied to certain uh bad character women of the prophet's time and anybody it's not and it was referring to women who were imitating them not just the characteristic per se that's just an

arbitrary and some people say well no it's referring to women who were in a state of Edna they shouldn't be doing these things otherwise they can do them and some people say well no this is to do with uh you know deceiving if you're deceived like I I remember that was this case right where this person spoke to me once uh this is years ago and he was explaining that his wife wanted a divorce and she um when they got married and they could you know it was on the after the wedding night or whatever together maybe on the second night or something he and at this point I didn't know what this was he said I because he said to me mostly I

have a hair system and I didn't know what a hair system was so I said what's a hair system and so so it's this this kind of like almost like a semi-permanent Wick which they kind of glue onto their hair so they shave they're obviously bold so they shave it off and they glue it on like John Travolta has it yeah so so if you pull it and if you jump into a swimming pool whatever it doesn't come off it looks like actual hit so he said I don't know on the second or third day or whatever it was he took off this hair system and he I don't know he must have been time to take it off takes it off puts it down on the bedside drawer she freaks the hell out

she's like what the hell is that then he's sitting there this bold guy yeah and not that there's anything wrong with being wrong with being bold but it's just a shock of it it's like you know if I and she wanted a divorce and this guy was obviously shocked and he was saying oh she's wrong but you you know right or wrong aside you've got to understand the shock system of doing something like that you know this you can't just take your whole hair off and the other person isn't known just put it down and it's like this is like what the

hell yeah buyer's remorse yeah so that's uh mind you I'd seen a clip of um it was some I don't know I think it's like a Chinese woman or something but in the clip she uh it goes to show like from before to after with makeup and it's just yeah I saw that I've seen that as well yeah wow like you're like oh my God it's like I mean I'm not trying to diss her or anything but God damn where she starts from is like you know it's like from the realm of goblins

she ends up looking like some kind of a model yeah and it's just wow okay wow all that's artificial and she just takes it off and takes off this almost artificial skin and everything's like what so that that would categorically be Haram in deceiving someone like that so I think that's uh a wide way of looking at how people have interpreted this Hadith like first of all coming at it by saying was this a was this a a description where the Prophet is explaining oh by the way Allah has cursed these people so it's a statement

or was it an exclamation where the Prophet was upset at something said God may God curse these people because that too changes the trajectory right because you know one is incidental and one is a very descriptive kind of uh imperative so the the other so in this and then people have disagreed from where today nobody or I I don't know I could be wrong I don't think even the selfie or Lamar disagree that people can have braces I don't think they disagree unless some of them disagree so nobody takes the entire Hadith literally but

some people take most of it literally and some people say well no it's you know no none of it it only applies to those women that like that and some people saying well now if it's for deception and some people saying well make the exception it's only for either and and so on and so we've got this diversity and yeah and and people can have their pick you know people could say well I take it literally you know more power to you don't do it then you know if a guy says to me I don't you know I take this fully literally 100 I would say well don't extend your hair then and don't do these things don't wear hair extensions and don't uh you know but but we have to be weary on imposing our interpretation on

other people of course because they've got you know they're on their Journey there's all about that say that they were all amount of Islam as well you know even though Josie is not a small army you know he's a huge scholar of Islam and he's not a modernist you know he's not a liberalist kind of person he's somebody that's back then explaining no this is what the Hadith is you know and these people are great Scholars they weren't just when they're saying it's not you know just people trying to appease modernity yeah so yeah just respect for all and practice yourself what you're comfortable with yeah oh but trust me I've learned that the hard way

oh yeah Mufti I truly appreciate this moment wow it's been awesome you know I've really enjoyed honestly this conversation and it's been quite wow it's quite colorful and we've covered quite a lot yeah it's been it's been good Comfort conversation thank you for the point by the way I always I always enjoy you know your the poems that you dropped I I every every time you drop a form I quickly you know get on my my Arabic keyboard and then and then you know uh type in the few sentences there that you that you started and then go into yeah I don't know if you know at the one.net okay I have I have used it quite a bit yeah that's where I find all of you then I

thought oh okay that's where you got it from and then uh but seriously I love poetry yeah me too man it's so honestly it's something I found that even on you know on uh on on on a damp on a day where the soul is feeling damp you know it's kind of like it can it can enliven you and just breathe energy into you yeah it's something I found myself sometimes even if I've found my if I found myself down and I've read a poem I uncontrollably will end up laughing at it and just out of joy out of Julia yeah well I'll keep

you enjoy um likewise man Allah bless you is Hark and we will stay in touch drops in Instagram he you take care of yourself people that was it's hard from Copenhagen wow all right uh what a discussion honestly I've really enjoyed that so pleasant it is true that you know just good conversation it is such a blessing from Allah wow yeah guys you know what we've gone on for quite a bit I'll have to wrap this up I see Lucy had been waiting for quite a

while you know what shall we just please see if you if you're still there kill one you've been waiting patiently let's bring you on assalamu alaikum well I like my slime it's over again just as well you got this hack on before me because my I needed to check up on my dad he has loads of accidents oh is he okay yeah he's okay now it's just part of his condition at first it's like oh I feel sorry for you and stuff but really I'm used to it by now okay yeah I mean that that does happen um this the human nature to become

desensitized and but but it's it doesn't by any way uh subtract from the Magnificent kind of uh job it is Task it is that you're undertaking even if it becomes somewhat irritable at times by its very nature I'm sure you know these things this is why I have so much respect for people like nurses and um because they just they just embody patience and yeah that's a different discussion for another day how undervalued they are in this country no strikes you know strike some sense

into those bloody greedy politicians survive the course at Zoella braveman who was who apparently I I'm unable to verify this completely but compared refugees to cockroaches and the Holocaust Survivor was calling her out saying how dare you do this like she and was reminded of how she came to this country as the Holocaust Survivor was reminded of how she came to this country as a refugee and it also reminds me of one of my jokes like pretty Patel were not this is the pre one of the previous

home secretaries came to this country her parents came to this country as refugees so because there was a certainly I find that not to kind of just be derailed with this discussion but I find that you know with the Tories there's just a lot of this like what they use is just the brown faces and then so they can just get away with what is in essence racist propaganda because hey you know it's a brown face so you know they can't be racist so they get these kind of obnoxious people like pretty Patel these people who totally do not identify with people from their ethnic Community come on like let's

let's be honest like Rishi Suna is from the one percent you know yeah he's like incredibly privileged he's multi-million he's the richest politician in the entire United Kingdom this no this you know you can't it's not going to identify with Abdul educated for senior school at senior School level and I regard I regard where she sunac has been way more privileged than me considering like he went to a top-notch one where else whereas I went to a lower

um a kind of medium one or maybe I like it I like this is why you're a programmer today you see you've you've got your ball bearings all in the right place you you know what you're doing in life I like this is what private education does and I think like private education did help me be more articulate but also sometimes people sometimes there's some people who prefer it because I went to a girls only school and it tends to be that females that go to girls only schools tend to be a bit more confident and also we can be a little bit curious about boys which can be a bit naughty

you see this is the this is the thing that people think I mean the academic the results usually show that girls only schools must perform they they usually are top of the league when it they outperform uh uh mixed schools and also boys only schools so girls only will outperform all the other schools when it comes to academic abilities so girls are usually far brighter when they just left to themselves um what they found is boys only performed the worst but bullies seem to perform better in

the presence of girls so so they kind of dragged the girls down a bit and the girls kind of raised the boys a bit by so it's it's a that's what the the kind of academic uh charts shows so it's that's interesting but yeah you're right and people sometimes think that there's unless you know if I send my child to a single gendered school then it's going single tech school then they're going to be I don't know less curious and they're going to be and and actually it can be it can be the opposite yeah I know like I know like in senior

School loads of girls would ask me loads of nosy questions about the opposite gender like silly like overly intervene numerals and it just it just would make me blush I would get so angry you'd become the you'd become the guru when you know I I was I was quite prudish for the girls there because they were just being extra curious because there weren't Boys around whereas I know like if boys were around they would probably have behaved yeah good questions it is interesting that how the how the Opposites that they bring so girls you know Jordan Peterson says this

as well and and it is it is quite evident that girls or women or girls they make men or boys more self-conscious so he he has this argument that guilds are already they have a heightened self-consciousness than boys do but boys in the presence of girls become more self-conscious and that's and it is true that you will see you see men or boys when there are girls or women in their lives they start to take care of themselves more often otherwise like a guy who could just be a bum in a place it just like he doesn't

care you know just be at the moment a woman is in his life he will pay that much more attention to himself or a certain more even if it's not but it will be slightly heightened if not um and so that's fascinating and and yeah that's a fascinating discussion and one of my somebody I knew who went to went to sixth form not that I went to we went to the same sexual but yeah I knew her from one of the community Muslim communities around nearby she she said like oh sometimes girls that went to only girls schools for secondary school

they would act like Princess Anna from Frozen where she sings for the first time in forever because they they shut off from boys so they you get extra curious and misbehave but you know yeah okay I was going to just add in there just the same thing with madrasas as in in in these countries so people think that I'm not saying this is with every child that goes to a madrasa but I'm just saying that don't be surprised that people think that if they send their child to an Islamic only school which is quite if

I can use the word like almost sheltered off from the rest of the world so it's cut off that they will somehow grow up to be less curious and they find the opposite being true that they are actually sometimes far more adventurous shall we say in the pursuit of certain Curiosities then regular kids who just go to regular mixed schools and and I was speaking to someone um a few months ago and he was very you know he got talking to me at the gym actually and he he was quite upset and about and he was telling me about his his daughter and and I said well what's

the problem and he said well you know she's she's been up to all you know on certain kind of things and she's a teenager and and I said well and he said no but I'd uh you know she goes to madrasa I've sent to madrasa only and you know what the hell you know she's been uh she's kind of she's managed to connivingly come up with obviously strategies to to do things and to and I said you know but I was kind of and he was he was kind of doubling down with all this harshness and I said to him look you need to look this is the

problem like you see you are coming from a position from a place of love but you're manifesting as though you're coming from a place of hate towards this child because because your actions are like like you want to punish so harshly and you want to do all these things to this child who who but your your your you're coming from a place of love the person can't see any love like I can't see like if you like if you want if you're in your mind you just want to beat me up or even if you don't want to beat me up you want to lock me in and deprive me of let's say any kind of gadgets and and keep me

like I I don't know I can't see love in that I can just see you torturing me so I'm gonna hate you even more I'm gonna Rebel harder I'm gonna okay maybe I don't Rebel now and then he he told me that oh well this incident happened actually you know in in that particular incident with his own sibling as they were growing up he said his sibling as soon as she reached an age of college had had escaped from home and ran away from home and and and then went through this kind of this whole unfortunate Journey as well but the I said well well that's exactly the thing you see but well if you try to

it's like pressure If you okay maybe you keep a lid on it now but what about when they turn 18 . also I've I've heard stories of some females in previous in older Generations than myself they just married to get out of their parents house and then they would I've heard like in some instances it's caused the marriage to be Rocky it's meant that they've lacked Financial stability and other things and also it's meant like some of the women were just I've I heard like they would just divorce their husbands within six months or so because they weren't too keen on the marriage working they were just keen

on escaping their tyrannical parents which I'm thinking is not the right reason to get married such a shame man you know and it's it's it's become you see this needs to be a conversation that needs to be hard because it's become a Rite of Passage that you see for in in many Muslim communities and I can say definitely within the Pakistani Community it's become almost a rite of passage that if you are a girl and you wish to live independently like you must be a divorcee then so like because like you must be like so

like let me let me play that back differently let's say let's say there's two daughters living at home with with the parents let's say they've just got one year difference between them in age so so they're very similar now let's say they say oh Dad I'd like to live alone and I can understand the concerns don't get me wrong I'm a father and although my daughter's very young and I wish that they could forever just stay young I am also equally petrified of the thought that God damn you know they're gonna grow up right so but I'm just saying this is a very real question now because let's say they both say to the parents I want to live I want to buy a place and and live there

let's say now I understand the response is going to be this is the response to no never you're never doing that now okay let's say one girl let's say the Elder one let's say they're 25 let's say one is 25 one's 24 let's say hypothetically so the 25 year old gets married okay she gets married let's say she gets divorced three months six months three months down the road she gets divorced six months down the road she gets divorced she comes home okay she says let's say it's his fault he's horrible he's he's a tyrant whatever okay she comes home but they're obviously in this country most people

are working they're doing things they've got their lives so now she's come back on after she's moved out so now that she's come home let's say by the end of that year she says oh by the way I found a place I'm gonna move there now the parents will allow that they will allow that and and so you see now now let's read that differently so because she's divorced she's allowed to live independently it's like she's been through this rite of passage to say well you can you now the other one let's say the other one says it at the same time oh I'd like to live alone they'd be like are you if you lost the plot you're

feeling okay you can't live alone so if you interpret it differently it's coming back to what you're saying that people are understanding that right to escape home I need to just get married some people are understanding this and even if the marriage doesn't work out it doesn't matter because I will then be treated as an independent adult who can just live independently so this is it's it's very unfortunate um I mean I'm not I'm not look once again I'm just here with everybody else just trying to figure out the problems I'm not saying I've got some solution

I'm not saying I'm just saying these are conversations that need to be had that's all yeah yeah my lips are a bit sore in case you noticed me rubbing them that yeah anyway um okay yeah but yeah it's just yeah it's just like sometimes women like it's important for women to be in the medical profession sometimes nurses need to travel abroad even to to the women must participate in society you know I I'd have to go find the book so I can't do it right now but it's a fascinating discussion by ibna Rush the Maliki

Muslim philosopher in his commentary on Plato's Republic so it's imprint um he has it um is it called the talris of something right but I've got it here but he has his uh in his he's basically got Plato's Republic and he's doing a brief commentary on it but there's a point where he discusses society and even Rush then says and this is 900 no sorry this is about 800 years ago he says it's a shame that in our culture women are just left to only have children and take care of the home he's saying then that he

says what it like our our society is only half functioning he says if we had women participating in everything look how far we would get this is 800 years ago a Maliki scholar the author of much they had saying this so today of course women should in every they must be a woman must be independent just as independent as and if she chooses later on to if she says look oh you know when I get married I want to stay at home but that's up to but she can for leisure pursue things she can still pursue work for for fun you know she could pursue it as a hobby she can

pursue a part-time work she can set up a company just part-time Leisure you know if a woman is a woman of leisure and she says look well you you see because this is something honestly I say this so often I have Zozo my Zara repeat this she repeats it now I I say that that you'd rather have something and not need it than need it and not have it and yeah and and she says that she repeats it back to me in so many occasions when I'm saying something she'll be like rather have something and not need it than need it and not have it because that's what about skills in life you'd rather have a skill set and not need it then need it and not

have it yeah yeah yeah I know yeah I know so it's yeah what am I thinking um yeah it's it's important for for sometimes males and females to balance each other out yeah I saw that's that comment liberal cello if I am then look here there you go [Laughter] there you go simple you know I don't have time for negative energy it's just like that it's like I I respect people have are entitled their opinion they

don't need to respect me but let's just be honest you know if people come off they try to throw off negative energy and this is I say this to to to people as well you know if you have people who are in any way negative whether it's on social media to you whether it's even if they're just passive aggressively negative you don't need it like you are volunteering to be a part of that just block him yeah just carry on so stay with positive energy only yeah and yeah and I was discussing stuff in the chat earlier about your beliefs and stuff uh Luther Villa and yeah I've I've got this

book it yeah I'm just zooming in for you okay I'm trying to see whether you can see the title um Irish text Society okay sure okay Irish text Society yeah and it it has a very different version of The Genesis story or the beginning story of from from the bar from yeah well the Genesis is the first book of the Bible and it's and it's just like this version of the version two versions of Genesis in this book are very different than the version

that would find in the modern day bible yeah okay what does it say what's the key that it's it's saying that because I said you began the point by saying about Iblis yeah okay it talks about in one of these chapters I'm just scrolling well turning through the book that Iblis was jealous of Adam

and it also says agreeing with the Islamic tradition that Adam Islam was created on Friday okay and yeah I'm just just trying to find where it says yeah and also it does it does agree with other I read in the commentary on this book interesting so it's a book agrees with various other sources found in judeo-christian sources which probably which probably under and I know I am aware like it so it's common knowledge that Christianity or the religion of East

Islam reached Island independently of the Roman Empire so that's so that's why that's why this this book is is very different and yeah I'm I'm going through it just some just that is very interesting well too that sugaring for sharing that and and as a side note um there is there are some interesting discussions on the evolution of Satan uh throughout the traditions because you're right in Genesis or in the Jewish Bible it's there is hardly any mention of Satan uh and he's not that it doesn't say he you know the garden of Eden's story

refers to a serpent a snake yeah but it doesn't say that the snake is Satan that's in the New Testament Jesus makes a reference to to that but otherwise I think in the Old Testament Satan is a term for like an obstacle uh in the in the in the classical Jewish tradition and also I think in the story of job uh there is this it also appears but as this kind of obstacle of uh in his path to stuff but yeah that is um a very fascinating discussion I would love to maybe get somebody on that and

maybe have a Mind Trap someday if I can get somebody quite um you know learn it in that all that's researching that field it would be you'd make for a fruitful discussion yeah yeah well and there was oh okay I was going to I was going to wrap up but okay would you okay what were you about to say what were you about to say evidence of Christian or the religion original religion of Isa alaihissalam reaching Britain and Ireland independently of the Roman Empire is that in Wales this was many during probably off slightly after the collapse of the Roman Empire there was a Roman

Catholic bishop Bishop Eldon who went to Wales and he noticed that there were Christians there who observed Jewish practices and that freaked him out and they they the Christian the Welsh Christians ostracized him for refusing to engage in kashrut that's kosher um they refused to enter Catholic churches they they got people to do like a 40-day Penance before they were Jewish Community the the in oh they believed they were they believed in they believed in Jesus that so bad it's not like what's called Messianic Judaism today it's there to completely separate

entities that they arrived at what what what uh time scale are you putting them at what was the I I think like they arrived Fire Island like that that's my understanding or certainly arrived by the trade routes via Spain and Spain has a strong Spanish DNA has about a 25 Jewish DNA in Spanish blood so maybe even higher so it's just like yeah I meant is this like are you saying this is shortly after Jesus or no this isn't or much after this is sometime after Jesus but before before the time of Isa

salaam Jesus peace be upon him there were there were people migrating between Spain Island and Wales area or across trading so this is before Jesus yes these people all right okay okay wow okay so there was like a Jewish tradition that had independently arrived in Island Wales that was uh that was pre-jesus even from from that time wow okay and The Story Goes that when the Malay Malaysians according to the Irish texts um yeah as as I might need to buy a few more volumes of this

to explain in more in Greater detail it's reckoned okay a question is saying is Lucy talking about the every night um it's very as a lot of the Celts Celts did not write to have loads of written records it's unknown as to what they did and didn't believe because they were subsequently conquered by the Normans this is the centuries much later and because of being conquered by the Normans they were forcefully converted to Roman Catholicism yeah and they and it's well known that they had a different kind of way of celebrating Easter it was more in line with the Jewish tradition

and yeah I don't know what is real this is really fascinating I mean would you know what I'm going to I'm going to look into some of this as well it's very intriguing and yeah it'd be good to get a whole you know what a whole discussion on this at some point that would be very yeah I think like I think like the Irish Tech Society ends the labor gabbalah Aaron I don't I might be butchering the name as I am not a Gaelic speaker myself but but yeah there's animals you speak Welsh though

it's like a combination letter slur yeah as in Clan gothland flan gothland yeah you nailed it did I okay flying Gosling people what does that mean no you didn't swear it it's a place name in Wales it's just south of wrexham oh oh right okay langostin all right people are you doing it out there right okay you know what Lucy we gotta wrap this up uh shukran I really appreciate that all um and look forward to much more

learning much more Welsh in the future and many more insights yeah it's possible to learn well Sean AI glossika dot I think AI Gloucester I don't know what the end part of the domain is it's possibly.com but that that offers a free Welsh course and it has people learn learn via sentence mining rather than just being shoved a load of vocab so it is there and also it's possible to learn it on Duolingo and other places look at that our Welsh representative right there sugar and Lucy Jones for sharing your thoughts with us today Allah keep

you blessed you too yes people that was Lucy Wynn Jones uh sharing some amazing insights and sharing some Welsh other than that people we have now Way Gone way over the scheduled time so have a great evening wherever you are may Allah bless your day I mean and Grant you abundance more and more I mean of goodness though of goodness people if you haven't already do spread this the stream like it leave a comment you know if there's some

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