Meaning with MALM #4

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how the quran what i want to explore today is the importance of the voice of reason something i've spoken about on many occasions but let's take a look at that again today how the quran invokes the voice of reason and why that's so important and how that can help us in our daily lives so we'll take a look at this we'll take a look at some of the verses um to do with this and just explore them and then we'll inshallah move on to seeing and sharing some of your thoughts you

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this one he's been wounded people that's a wound straight in the heart did i watch amar nakshwani's lectures this year i haven't now i haven't been watching um alright mo real you do in it you're doing it

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may allah send more mufti like you reason like you reasoning yeah you see i'll keep that in mind i'll keep that in mind and it's usually just a very um or from my side i try to have a very natural conversation and sometimes just as you would in real life you know you there's partially your import partially the other person's and that's what it is

really it's not to be honest it's not an mind traps are not an interview they are a dialogue so it's about exploring uh what the person has to say and and you know sometimes interjecting with questions and having that kind of uh dynamism yeah that's what it's about so all right

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this week we should once again uh insha allah on friday have a mind trap with uh dr sajid i have actually uh it's it's a repeated guest from quite early on um and i'll bring up some of the details a little later on when we go through that okay so let's begin people

allahu akbar look at these people look at this so what do i want to you see there is so now right now that's that's not it that's it i'm here i'm scrolling through using the volume scroll no wonder it's not moving right so let's take a look at that people

there it is now looking at the quran and the voice of reason and i think this can't be stressed enough it's incredibly important let's bring up some ayat and then i'll go into why i think it's important and let's explore some of these ayats yeah my bad man my bad man see this technology and me we have a uh an interesting

oh that's hilarious what's going on here you know what it is because the whole thing is so is is white the cursor it's kind of blended into the white background so you can't see what you're pressing [Laughter] ah fun and games right so nevertheless i'm going to bring up some of the verses and we can just yeah if i just move through it like that it'll be much easier i think yeah ah you could do it you could do it

there it is right i want to take a look at some of these verses let's start off with this verse from suratul hajj we've got the it's clearly not not pausing for me or when i wanted to pause ah and there's me thinking this would be a much better idea to make it dynamic like that as opposed to just using the powerpoint the skills to show people do not be fooled by technology suratul hajj and suratul right and if it

changes and also these two verses so i'll switch it off and then we'll come back to it i'll just talk about them and so from suratulis let's take this off and i'll bring it back as a what i'll do is as a powerpoint in a moment right this cannot be overstated that this deen of ours rests itself in the voice of reason it is incredibly important to understand that

some people feel that it's islam or religion as a whole they feel that religions are incompatible with reason and that couldn't you couldn't be farther from the truth when it comes to islam and i know the western religions islam is also a western religion in the categorization of religions so western religions do root themselves on reason generally speaking but islam from all of them the abrahamic faiths is the one that champions the voice of reason

we are in a day and age where religion as a whole has been incredibly challenged and it's challenging because if we're going to be honest people we live in a in an era of post-religion in a post-religion era that really the world has kind of moved on or a considerable part of the globe has moved on from organized and institutionalized religions

that they don't really require religion to provide them the the comfort or the rules or the ethics that faith would provide them previously this is as as a scene in mainland europe the uk in europe particularly in other countries too you will see america southern part of south america it doesn't mean that everybody they abandons religion but they are in a post-religion era so religion is still there but it doesn't play the role

that religion once played it's so people may use it still to lean in for certain narratives for certain meanings um and then what's happened is in the wake of this you've had people that have rebelled against religion and in doing so they have then kind of launched an onslaught against faith and attacked faith and declared it to be unreasonable illogical uh you know full of contradictions and fallacies and outdated and so on

and as a consequence of this many people have struggled with their faith especially those who live in the west but even muslims uh um let's use namely muslims we're speaking about we're concerned with uh in the east so whether from the holiest of the holies if we're gonna if we're gonna go to saudi arabia to other very um kind of traditionally deep-rooted religious countries like pakistan or iran or these kind of countries are all struggling with the rise of atheism as well

and yeah so it's important to just put this out there as the kind of landscape the backdrop now let's zone in and focus on islam revelation and why do we feel that reason is so important you will see that the whole quran because we want to rest our discourse based on the quran it is really addressing people by way of reason it's inviting them you

see let's let's understand something most of everybody who's going to watch this and they are muslim were born into a muslim family most of so you've got an exception people who converted to the faith but that's a tiny minority of muslims tiny incredibly tiny minority the vast majority of muslims were born muslim so they never had to ever reason their faith they've never had to come to the faith by way of reason as a default position

they were just born muslim told that there is one god allah and this is the book of allah the quran and the messenger was muhammad sallallahu and so on and so forth however when revelation is coming down in the lifetime of the prophet it is not taking any such elements for granted like this they are not born muslims that exist everybody that is coming in contact with revelation is being invited to the faith

now that's incredibly different because when you invite someone now think about it if you were to invite someone to the faith how how would that be how what would you do to invite someone to something sorry not faith let's say anything let's say you want to invite someone to uh to join you at something or to be part of a a venture business venture or some kind of an outing or some kind of anything a hobby you want somebody to join you on your particular event whatever it may be you reason it with them

because you show them that this is in their interest to do so now if it's a worldly event you may justify by finances or we're going to make a lot of money by doing this or we're going to do that and you show them the facts and figures and people think you know that actually sounds quite interesting i want to be a part of that so now you move on to ideas like if you want to say well you know oh my god you need to watch this sport why what's so good oh you know it's so interesting it does this or you should really support this particular person why because he's done this and he's done

that and this is how people share interests when it comes to faith you have to invite people to it now the quran invites people it says you know that whosoever wants let them let them believe let them disbelieve it does tell them about an afterlife do you not think that there will be an afterlife do you not think that we will bring these bones back uh do you not think do you think that god is incapable it does discuss these things but

remember these are all um these are elements of the kind of consequences or rewards and it does address that but then what it does is it tackles the issue at hand which is what they are involved in you see because people already have a religion so you you will ask them people have a way of life you will ask them well what is it that you're doing you know have you thought about that the quran will ask them

it asks them that afalam yasiro this is one of the verses that do they not travel in the earth do they not traverse the earth so that they may have hearts and it uses the word hearts here but it's interchangeable with intellect in the arabic language they would use the word the heart for the seat of cognition as well as in many languages that is is also it is also used

do they not have ears which they listen by this is one example now what is incredibly interesting about this um about about this verse and

and i can try to whilst we're at it just just bring this back up uh you can see that there so i'll bring that up for you there that look aphalamia syrup that do they not travel in the earth why i find this verse incredibly compelling to begin with allah explains to us that look you want to think about things you want to reflect you want to ponder what should you do travel

travel because it is by traversing by setting off you will encounter new things what's the point of what does that do when you encounter new things it challenges pre-existing narratives you see if you just stay in your echo chamber your micro echo chamber i've sold the people of makkah let's say or whichever tribal arabs they're in this small little tribe and they just live there and that's it they've

just got these same stories they had since they were kids and they've got that now but all of a sudden they start traveling they go to the southern kingdoms they go to the northern arabian kingdoms you meet the romans the greeks the persians the you meet different people you will see things objects creatures nature things that you've never seen before and it reminds you how much you do not know so one of the most important lessons we take straight away by this verse

is that the importance to get out there to explore it is only by encountering new people and situations a person realizes how you know how much they are trapped in a box fenced in in their own little world so and and another amazing thing about this ayah that i absolutely love is the different senses that allah is bringing our attention to

not just cognition but the visual the auditory that's amazing because you see now we have in we have many educational practices now people speak about oh there's different types of learners you know there's visual learners there's you know you have kinesthetic learners and auditory learners and you know people who learn they rely on different things and it's amazing that allah is addressing them you know it's just that's it's just like a nugget it's like just a gem

that are lies addressing them at this is 1400 years ago saying that look you want to ponder you know you want to learn that yes travel movement visual auditory reflection allah and thus allah explains his ayat his signs

if only or it could be seen as that but he could also be seen as in the hope that you guys and you know is the verb that is to do with so it has if i bring that back you're gonna see it um i mean you can't see the cursor but just the second verse at the bottom you can see after the ta the word and then it's

at the center that is the verb so that's how it is so it's it's about having using your intellect you know do you not use your intellect your uncle who is telling you to use your apple allah is telling you to use your apple today it's you know it's it's embarrassing that sometimes some people they denigrate apple it is the greatest things thing that as the greatest blessing we as a species have let's be honest

you know there's if you think about it we are termed or dubbed as certain scientists would say as the third chimpanzee that's what you know i'm just some scientists would say that let's say aliens came to earth and they saw they saw chimpanzees they saw things like you know orangutans they saw gorillas they saw the whole ape family they would see us to the alien eye we would be just hairless apes

that's all we wouldn't actually be so different we'd be just very similar to them except without the hair [Laughter] so and we're not incredibly strong we're not you know the humans are not the apex kind of creatures we're you know we're just in the middle of the food chain we're not that kind of we're okay we may be stronger than some creatures and we're definitely not stronger than many out there but yet insane with this aqua has has kind of cast a net

on the cosmos and brought it right down infiniti right down to the quantum you see from there right back to here and that's an amazing verse even though we're not covering that verse today but it's an amazing verse to bring in once again speaking about verses allah says we will show them the ayat the signs

fill athack out there in the cosmos and some people just meant oh this was like biological but no at a quantum level you go right in until it becomes absolute apparent that this is the truth or that god is the truth so yeah now this is what the demarcating factor that distinguishes us from other species so let's take a look we've got

these verses once again surah baqarah and there are many verses i believe the verse uh appears in the quran i believe two dozen times about 24 times i believe just to give you an idea where allah is reminding us um about reminding humans that about pondering about sorry not pondering about using the intellect using the voice of reason now these were two other verses i chose and there's many to choose but i thought these are quite amazing [Music]

do they not ponder over this quran if it was from other than god they would have found many inconsistencies many contradictions in it and that's 82 and then you've also got this verse which we'll just come to in a moment um from suratul but why this afflicted

because how does one ponder over the quran without reason reason is the only um it is the only arbiter that can be used between two parties in a dispute it is the only especially in where you're trying to establish truth truth claims can only be arbitrated by way of reason so

if i disagree with you about something the only way the best we have got on this earth as human beings is reason that can be the only that we can agree on something that makes sense to whatever it is to to judge between us that's that's all that that's how reason works that's why you have a discussion or a dialogue or a debate or conversations because we can use this as a judge between us if we don't use that as a judge then what

what what what is a possible alternative you couldn't say anything else ultimately we can just begin with reason because you couldn't say emotions are a judge between us nobody would agree with you couldn't just say what the other person even believes just saying beliefs are not are not an arbiter like if i had a discussion with you and i just said well i believe everything i say is the truth now you'd be like well okay that doesn't matter i said well but i believe it so

you see the only way we can have a meaningful come to a meaningful understanding would be by way of reason you'd have to say well okay so long as everything you do say is true then i accept that but it doesn't mean everything you say must be the truth or if somebody said well i believe i i i believe i'm a unicorn [Laughter] or i believe i'm from the planet mars or i believe i'm from another galaxy just believing something doesn't make it so you see you can only come to terms by using them

this is why allah repeatedly reminds us in the quran and remember this is to a people who weren't born muslim so they have to come to it by thinking about it so allah says hey what don't don't they look at these camels the way they've do they not ponder look at the sky how is that do they not look at do they not look at creature bees around them ain't they an amazing kind that we have

do they not look at and allah constantly reminds them do they not look at the natural cycles that that are found of whether it's whether it's rain and crops and harvests and fruits do they not look at how the dead barren earth brings things back to life do they not so this time upon time we are invited to think about things and reason and here in this verse it's important because allah is inviting them

to find contradictions allah this is why i totally love this verse and there's another one just like affiliates or do the hearts have a lock and what's fascinating by the way about that verse is people don't translate this

do the hearts have the locks so the locks of the heart which goes to show that hearts have a lock i mean not a physic we're not talking about physical but we're talking about something that bars cognition or any kind of meaningful penetration in the sense of enhancement okay so and and i know today you know what's fascinating is just on a tangent we've now come to learn that the heart does have uh a certain amount of uh neural activity it's small i think it's just

about 40 000 neurons which is nothing compared to the billions of connections within within the brain the circuitry but it still does have some neurons within the heart and what's much more magnificent than that is the heart projects an electromagnetic kind of sphere or a kind of a signal that can be extended around the person anything between three to six feet in in all directions around us like we are

actually projecting can you believe that i mean just think about it they've you can in your own time youtube that but it's um that that verse is incredible people don't seem to pay attention to that it shows that the all hearts have a lock you see allah is just saying is it switched on [Laughter]

you see but okay put that aside for a moment so come back here allah is the quran is confidently inviting people to critique it it is it is inviting people to critique it it's saying that right it's saying that you know local

read think it's inviting those people ponder catch out mistakes reason with us have a dialogue look how confident the the discourse of the quran is i love it honestly it's like it's so it really just oozes this confidence that come on show us where we've gone wrong and that that should be the nature of the believer

you see that's where the quran sets the bar and what we've got to do is to to aspire to rise to that level so one thing we should never worry about is finding contradictions or being worried that oh my god this might be wrong some people and the irony is sometimes people they scare others away from reason they say that no islam isn't built on reason don't ask too many questions because then you're going to get stuck

and they say you're going to lose your faith but the quranic discourse is entirely different in surah nisa verse 82 the quran is saying which means to go over again and again and again and again just bring out some contradictions for us i mean bring it to the table it's really it's requesting because it wants

to engage people even even by this angle because some people they're not interested and it's saying well okay i tell you what can i interest you by way of this find a mistake in it okay just tell me what's wrong with the message and i find that so fascinating that i thought that let's we definitely have to uh take a look at that verse and i think sometimes people they glide over that the beauty of that verse they they say that look a lie saying there's no contradiction in it but they glide over the confidence

the spirit the aura in which the quran conveys it and welcomes urges requests that you know just critique critique me and that really should show us how confident we should be about scripture we shouldn't be somebody that's scared or shies away or i mean and i get it i'm not trying to say that everybody has to be like this some people by their very nature they're not um into let's say

academics or into um you know polemics or into even just reading unfortunately some people are not into that i get that so it may not be for everyone but for those who want to it is there for them right now this the fourth verse here and i thought this is incredibly fascinating we have to take a look let's include this and we'll finish with this that

they say our traditions are enough for us even if their fathers the ancestors that they did not know now it's interesting that they did not have knowledge is used allah doesn't say that even though they you know he could have just said that they were misguided they were pagans they were this they would no

allah says they did not have knowledge okay so it's inviting you and look at the verse that is used and they weren't guided it's amazing that look when first of all there's so many things we can just unpack from this verse one thing straight away about the etiquette that you see to the arabs the ancestors were so dear it was everything you know my tribe and my patrilineal kind of

ancestry and so on and so forth and allah says rightly guided allah did not say here that oh they were misguided look at the wording just from an etiquette perspective from you have a meaningful engagement you see doesn't say uh you know in this particular verse when speaking about the abba it doesn't say

it says we're not guided rightly that it softens cushions the kind of discourse and has it in a very respectful way that they didn't have so that's one of the things straight away coming to us about the importance of and how it's linked to to guidance but also most importantly and this is the reason why i chose this verse that we've got here in surah maidah 104 is that when people are brought face to face with something that challenges them it is common nature

that they will cling they will cling to their traditions that whatever they are nested in their comfort zones people will just say whoa whoa whoa i stick with what i'm my comfort zone i'm not prepared to be challenged intellectually so seeing this this reply is always a very poor reply because and it's and it can be disappointing to hear it at times from muslims that when presented with something they

say well you know this is how we always did things or this is how we always saw things because the quran only cites that example for these people who reject the quran to say an answer like that that this is how oh well you know this is something new and i don't know my ancestors did things in this way that's every time that is mentioned in the quran it's mentioned negatively from a people who reject god the messenger revelation and reason so

i think these verses i thought are incredibly important to share to say well the message of the quran so brightly shines in our direction that it is always important to resort to the greatest gift that allah has given us to understand right from wrong okay and to understand truth from falsehoods in fact let me put it more like that to understand truth from falsehood because i think right from wrong at a very base level

at a very base level i feel is more tied into the morality instinct that we have um and then it's fashioned by socialization but i feel that we have an instinct at a very base level whereas determining truth from falsehood is not an instinct it's not to do with it it's to do with our and our learning and the voice of reason i thought it so it's incr it was really important to share this um i know i speak about it often but i thought it was high time to do that again guys um

let's let's go to some of your comments now i hope that's been beneficial taking a look at some of these verses before i in fact just move off from that i'll show those verses once again you've got from surah maidah 104 you've got suratul nisa verse 82 you've got as surat al-baqarah verse 242 you've got uh suratul hajj verse 46 okay so they were the verses we took a look at in today's lesson

may allah increase us in the voice of reason and never allow us to uh to succumb to insecurities that whereby we become shy or afraid of engaging meaningful discourses or using the voice of reason and even if this means that sometimes look we may not have the answers but i assure you somebody does okay just because we may not know the answers to something other people definitely will and i know

just to clarify here i think it's incredibly important some people's will say well actually the ultimate arbiter is always revelation and i've mentioned this before this is a false dichotomy anybody who says that this argument is really a false um it's a false universal it's a false dichotomy it's a misleading um [Music] hypothesis really and that is that to say that is it revelation or reason because it doesn't make any sense it's like saying

are you first a human or are you first a male or a female i suppose nowadays gender discourse or it's it's how people would say are you um you know let's say whatever ethnicity you are or are you are you a father or are you a man or are you a muslim first or are you this first but these are just relative statements the person is that okay so it doesn't it's a meaningless statement to to say to someone is is revelation

before reason or reason before revelation it doesn't really make it it may seem to make sense but it's a misleading statement okay and it's because you can only understand revelation through reason so they both obviously it's it's like saying you know it's like the chicken egg statement it doesn't make any sense now what people so campaign so here you do have a a kind of argument sometimes going on and you might see it so let's say this camp campaign who say

that or this particular camp who say it's you know voice of reason can be demonic and it's always revelation what they really mean to say if we're to do justice and steal our you know iron man their or steel man their argument for them is they are to say desires that's what they're really trying to say that your whimsical and capricious desires versus revelation and obviously it's always revelation that triumphs that goes without saying

so it's not they don't really mean reason what they even though they may think they mean it what they actually mean is your opinion to reject uh or not your disinterest in something does that triumph over revelation so what they're trying to say is imagine a person said yeah okay this may be from god but i don't want to do that i don't want to does your opinion get a say over god is this this is ultimately what they're boiling it down to but they are

completely misrepresenting the question by saying is it reason versus revelation because that wouldn't make any sense at all because revelation can only be understood by reason if somebody was mentally handicapped they they wouldn't be able to understand anything you wouldn't have it's it's a ridiculous statement it's like saying something visual and the person is blind so you say well is it the the visual representation or is it the eye it's the visual object always over the eye it gets prev you know preference and that doesn't make any sense because it's

dependent on the eye to be able to see it or somebody's eye but if everybody was blind then it's meaningless the visual representation because it can't you can't benefit from it without so if we didn't have brains or if we were all mentally handicapped or we couldn't reason then nobody could we would be mukhalov so that argument is just wrongly fashioned and i won't go into it now but i would advise you to i have a video actually it's called um the role of reason in religion it's on youtube do watch it

i go into this whole backdrop of why this propaganda began um historically why this discussion even began that is it reason versus religion within the muslim circles and it was just a a consequence of a cold war between certain sectarian factions which then spilt over for centuries and we've inherited it as well today what's added to that is atheism has also bashed uh religion quite severely so people are ultra scared and in a state of shock so they

they find it safer not to resort to reason because they think if we do resort to reason the atheists will get one over us which is not true i the quran is very confident that people are more than welcome to critique it they there are no contradictions in the quran maybe people think they might be but there ain't so that's something incredibly important to highlight whenever people come up with this discussion it's a false dichotomy reason versus revelation it's a false dichotomy all right so let's

move on to some of your thoughts dervish johnson has made a very good point here but reason obviously has its limits it up absolutely does absolutely does have its limits it's like saying vision it has its limits we can't see you know infrared but it doesn't mean so you know we can't see certain things but it's the best we can do when it comes to seeing i mean we can enhance things we can create equipment but it's it's all we have when it comes to seeing so when it comes to understanding things

all we have is reason and the brain and if you're going to say well the brain is limited it is limited the brain is limited even though it's incredibly powerful but it's limited and thereby human faculties are limited and modalities are limited and our ability to deduct and induct and and to have these kind of comprehension is limited but it's the best we've got in understanding things okay so it's put it like this religion and reason go hand in hand okay they are not

enemies or rivals they are allies okay anybody that presents them as rivals or as enemies may be somebody who has a bone to pick against religion so they may be people who hate religion and therefore are trying to say well reason is anti-religion religion is anti-reason but when religion religious people use that argument they're just shooting themselves in the foot because religion and reason go hand in hand they have never been at loggerheads with each other or

they should never have been that's a nice statement nabs logic is limited reason knows the limits of logic so look how do you navigate reason when it reaches its inherent limitations you navigate it as best as you possibly can but then beyond that if it's beyond human reason it's beyond human comprehension at this current state so that's fine you see we're talking here because i i don't know what you're talking about you could be talking about science you could be talking about physics when you're talking about religion religion is friendly

islam anyway is friendly to reason in fact it's locked into reason so yeah and it doesn't mean you have absolute you know comprehension of everything of course you don't but you go with what you have shukran nabs shukran uh arrived mercy d law much love from hip to in it much love much love right there's uh i see sarah son shukran and much love for the super chat mufti based on what you said do you

think there is a split between first world muslims and third world muslims do you think first worlders should abandon the third world now um i'm not sure what you mean by is there a split i mean like from some perspectives it could be argued there is a split economically there is a split um in terms of lifestyle there is a split in terms of i don't know certain cultural um elements

if that's what you mean um from some aspects there isn't a split we're still you know just as human as they are we still um you know we have just the same capabilities as they do as human beings that is so i'm not quite sure and no we shouldn't abandon the third world if you mean by that that the third world are misrepresenting religion due to culture um i think that maybe many people not just um third world so we do find it in you know you'll find it in the first

world as well so you'll find people who will um so for example let's take a look at america the bible belt you'll have people flat earthers evangelicals they are americans they live in a first world incredibly privileged part of the world and yet some of them are so dogmatic and that's actually a good point uh and shukran for reminding me i see sarasota that if you want to understand dogmatism look at people of other faiths you know what's incredibly interesting

is when we look at others others so to speak we become incredibly reason based so if you speak if you're looking at eva you know evangelism christian evangelists you will become the voice of reason all of a sudden you'll become ah well you know this is i'll tell you what's wrong here blah blah blah this is wrong here this is rational this is counter reason this is illogical this is this same thing if you were having a a if you were speaking about faith let's say you're looking at hinduism

now hinduism is not built on the voice of reason it's not a it's an eastern religion it's not a western religion so it doesn't um predicate itself on reason but that said if you look at hinduism you'll immediately switch on this is as a muslim your voice of reason and you'll be like aha but this this this doesn't add up that doesn't matter it's only and and what you have to do is try use those same lights when thinking about yourself as well and i get that this may not be for everyone and i'm not saying everybody

needs to do this you see human beings vary it's like we're on a spectrum okay there's a continuum many people there are certain people in this world who are geniuses okay most people are not geniuses and there are some people in this world who are mentally challenged and unfortunately you know with learning disabilities but they too are not most people most people are in the middle that they are actually quite intelligent um they're not geniuses but they are quite intelligent and and they can you know if given the

circumstances apply good reason they can for you know if given the circumstances so that's what islam is just range it has its spread right across that some people they don't want to you know they're not going to be the inclined to i want to investigate i want to learn i want to i just want to get by in life i'm just all i know is i just work i go to a factory or i do this i'm a farmer i do this i come home i go to sleep i wake up in the morning i go to work i

take care of my family that's all i do islam has no problem islam commends that okay it's for everyone it's not telling everyone to become to apply the voice of reason to everything and to become these super thinkers because everybody's not like that but those who are like that it invites them and to them it gives deeper meanings but it also gives meaning to this person to this farmer to these rural people to these country folk to the person who just works uh

the laborers who just work and that's it and you know the working kind of working working class because let's be honest the working class generally are not going to be your kind of uh the people that are going to sit down and philosophize although you know i know in in the modern first world i suppose you you have kind of troops and drabs you have people in between but for the most part people are not like that they're not going to be those but they can they're also intelligent if they want to but if they don't want to that's fine so islam is giving a choice

not to be misunderstood it's not saying everybody needs to always be you know uh no people quran never says that it says ah but they're special but those who are they will find a special meaning in this so yes it rewards them more if they go into it those who don't want to go into it rewards them more with meanings

those who don't want to it absolutely welcomes them it's wonderful for them as well so i hope that makes sense the problem i about the problem is when one group of people want to impose on others that is the problem so if you're somebody who doesn't want to use the voice of reason who doesn't want to contemplate or ponder or to critique or to look or to you're not interested that's absolutely fine islam still absolutely will add value to your life in the way

that you adopt it but you are not to impose it onto others even this voice of reason look this voice of reason is not to be just imposed on other people it's not it's there for whoever it resonates with it comes to it it doesn't go to them they come to it you see you would be they would be absurd to go to all people say you better start pondering you better start reflecting you better it'll be crazy just think about it so uh

yeah so that's i hope that makes sense yep all right so let's take a look at some of your questions right wake up you're doing it with the super chat much love look at this cab sectarian practicing muslims and muslims reluctant to use reason and sticking to old values are more a threat to islam than atheists need your input

you see yes and no human consciousness just like sports only some can enter the olympics [Laughter] ah much love yeah no so look i don't feel that uh where's the question gone that

right so muslims who don't want to practice the voice of reason or are averse to the voice of reason or are averse to using um you know being intellectual about the faith they themselves are doing that are not a problem to the faith they are not causing a problem by doing that the problem is when they try to impose that on other people or they try to represent islam like that that becomes a problem

so them doing it is not a problem so if you know if 99 of the muslims decided we're not going to use reason and we're not going to even ponder with reason over the quran and we're not going to reflect and islam has nothing to do with science and islam is uh you know it doesn't even believe in science or doesn't even believe in mathematics it doesn't even if 99 of the muslims believe that not that they do it wouldn't make it would be it doesn't the problem is when you try to represent islam with that

like you become a voice piece for islam pushing it onto others like that or pushing it on and that others could also be non-muslims that's the problem okay so your personal belief about something is not an issue i mean it may whether it's right or wrong or whatever is is a different discussion but it's not really a problem you know you could believe that i believe islam encourages us to you know it does it it never wants me to think okay that's your thought i i wouldn't i

wouldn't actually come and argue with you i would wouldn't be interested in arguing with you i would that's absolutely fine it's your life it's your belief it's your take on islam it has the problem is if you got onto tv and started now representing islam like that that would be a problem so there is a big difference in practicing something as a person and representing and being an ambassador for something is something very different

right so what is going on the problem is that you view islam through the weakness of your faith sure i i take it the youth is the universal you and not me you um because i i don't feel that islam is a weak by any measure so

let's see you claiming to be a muslim people is the problem and your opinion is absolutely fine your take you claiming to be a mufti i'm not claiming to be a mufti i am a mufti there is i don't get that's like saying if you are a qualified doctor you're a qualified doctor it doesn't mean you know say somebody you're claiming to be a doctor or you claim to be a mathematician if you are a mathematician you are a mathematician you know it's not sure somebody could say i think you're a terrible mathematician that's fine somebody could say i think you know you

you're an awful doctor that's fine but it's not about you claiming to be a doctor i'm not i don't claim to be i i am one uh so it's it's as simple as that i mean i get the fact that people may or may not like that right so [Laughter] right all right they look at that off these laughs sugar and sugar then right now thought where did you get the headphones from these headphones are epic people

all right so all right uh so let's see okay uh we'll take a look at if you i'll just go through some of the charts in case i miss some of the super chats as well and then what i'll do is i'll share the the link

all right we got someone from all right omar hmph allahu akbar i have reason in the religion when right okay here's a super chat we missed this one sakandar shukran shukran much love for the super chat if we solely take reason do we neglect the spiritual ineffable experience religion has to offer no not at all so uh the the experience or the experiential side of religion is actually the most important part of religion

what just because something is also important within it does not so reason does play an incredible part in religion but like i said for some people it doesn't have to so people are not the religion there is a big difference so it is an incredibly important part of the religion so a huge part of the quran is just addressing and invoking the voice of reason so you couldn't i mean twenty-four verses of the quran mentioned do you not use your you couldn't remove those verses from the quran that would be

a sacrilege um so it doesn't mean the people you see that you're mixing the religion with the people people don't need to it doesn't need to be a big part of their lives but it's a big part of religion so for example a big part of the religion is helping people doesn't mean a big part of everybody's life is to help people unfortunately you see like many people may not help people for the most part in their lives and they may occasionally help people for the most part they may be very self-centered they're still muslims they

could still live and pray and you know and fast in ramadan and do everything they could still live a normal religious life of course i would feel that they missed a core part of the religion but they that's them if they're going to do that that's them so it's not and really faith came islam did not come to islam did not come to um [Music] to bolster the voice of reason okay so islam did not come

to to kind of nitro boost our reason you know why because we as human beings would do that anyway because that's what makes incred human beings incredible is the voice of reason it is only our intellect that makes us special as a species otherwise we are nothing on this earth without the akal and so islam did not come to do that islam did not come to say hey i want you all to be geniuses or i want you all to have you know to to kind of raise your intellect game

because human beings by their very nature know that that's what they want to do or especially those who want to excel amongst them want to do that so islam didn't come for that it's not just as islam did not come to say i want you know islam did not come to raise the bar on global economics neither did it come to raise the bar on trade or did it come to raise the bar on nutrition because these are human things human beings will do them anyway islam came to connect people with the

divine and that is the ineffable the qualitative the real meaning behind islam so that is absolutely true but yes of course to invite people it has to nest its calam in the voice of reason otherwise how else do you invite people so it does invoke the voice of reason whilst it's speaking and addressing people but it didn't come to promote the voice of reason in the sense that it didn't come to demote it but it just that's a human effort it doesn't need to do that

human beings insane would do that anyway so the real purpose and objective of islam is to connect in sun with you know with allah that is the only and that is a a path that has put us on which you're right can't actually be described in words truly speaking the qualitative experiences of that

big fan of yours what do you think of ex-muslims and i was hafiz i'm not sure what that means and i was hafiz an ex-muslim do you mean you are an ex-muslim or is that what you mean or you is your internet uh is there an internet issue

all right somebody wants to see me on a particular podcast i'm not sure what that podcast is but yeah reach out connect with me and we can do that mufti good evening would you visit new york in the future yes of course inshallah why not of course of course uh yes i am an ex-muslim madrasa here is quite an interesting uh tag name shall we say to have um madrasa boy right what what do i think of ex-muslims i think people should leave ex-muslims

alone that's my genuine thoughts i i feel that if ex-muslims are interested in dialogue then muslims you know muslims who feel capable should engage them in dialogue but if not they should just leave them alone they shouldn't kind of taunt them they shouldn't bully them they shouldn't harass them they shouldn't threaten them they shouldn't insult them you know these people for the most part have had a bad experience

with the muslim with some muslims and for the most part we'll find that many ex-muslims usually have left islam due to interactions and often harsh interactions with certain muslims so it's quite an experiential affair and adding more harmful hurtful insulting behavior to that

can in no way remedies that situation or crisis or whatever it is so sure you know if somebody to me islam does not need me or you or anybody else if somebody wants to be a part of islam i feel islam offers them an incredibly powerful and such a meaningful

narrative in life that it really it takes them to another plateau that's that's me personally speaking i don't feel islam falls short in any um or is crushed or even drops to any real criticism i don't feel yet sure maybe some people's interpretations but not i've not seen it in my experience so if somebody wants to be a part of islam and if they don't want to be a part of islam you know it's it's their choice it's their life allah has given them that choice who you know has nothing to

do with me or you and shouting and swearing and insulting is not going to make anything better and it's not the way of the prophet salallahu to shout and swear and and to um you know to to kind of taunt and and then to bully people just because yeah it doesn't make any so that's my views on this that said i do think that some not all some ex-muslims don't kind of help the situation by

their actions okay so i get the fact that they're angry and in some cases maybe their anger maybe they've been treated very badly and their anger is justified i get that but doing certain highly provocative kind of events or insulting and cursing muslims equally from this side it's well i mean you know it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out how that's going to end that and i don't mean in

brutality but i mean it's going to just down spiral into just toxic negativity because you're going to swear at someone they're going to swear back at you you're going to swear at the prophet and then muslims are going to give you death threats and then you're going to swear back insult them they're going to do this and you're trapped in this way you know my genuine advice is if a person has doubts about islam and they are you see they will be one of two camps one is one camp is somebody who

they're genuinely concerned like i i've heard this critique of islam it's bothered me i left islam but it's really played on my mind i want to learn i want to understand was there any way to answer this they should talk if they can reach out to people who are grounded in reason and have a very deep understanding of islam and reach out to them scholars imams i'm not sure what country online and and inshallah maybe they may get some answers that may help them on this journey maybe not then you get another

group of people who've left islam and they're just categorically not interested in islam okay so to them islam it's let's say it's it's a fairy tale i do not so this person is saying i don't believe in islam they're saying look i don't i want anything to do with islam tikka you know it doesn't what my advice to them is just live your life just carry on you know you want to change your name change your name you want to do something do it just live your life i would honestly that's my genuine advice that just leave it alone then

leave islam alone if you if you want to leave it um because oh if you want to engage it then remember this is going to become a lifelong fear now you know it's it's going to become like back and forth and you're gonna get more and it's gonna start down spiraling and and people do things like they go online live stream and they desecrate the quran i mean what's that all about and so i honestly i find it disgusting to do stuff like this to do with any faith if somebody i would be equally disgusted if

they did that with any religion because it's like what is that even about why are you purposely trying to ah boil the blood of you know a billion people on this earth why like i mean fair enough you say look like i say here's a book ah i don't like what this book has to say so don't read it i don't care what the difficulty is sometimes i don't like what that person has to say well don't listen to him

live life chill enjoy but so that's my advice to both people to muslims it would be to leave them alone and to ex-muslims it would be you know if you're curious about learning then you should engage and learn and if you're not and you've had enough then leave it alone don't that's i don't allah but that's how i kind of see things right now uh can you do an episode and he smiled jesse was the grandfather of robotics in the 12th century mind inspired muslims to be innovative open-minded that shukran i see sarah saying you know

what shakur and chicken look at all the love and support you're doing it yeah you're doing it much love much love sure i have actually many oh you know i don't know a few years back i spoke once on how um imam al-qarafi from the malekia how he worked in robotics he had his early you know 700 years ago or six seven hundred years ago his version of where he would he had made a particular a kind of clock that had certain i mean robotics is a very modern term but certain kind of structures where

little um figurines would come out they would move they would um there would be a bird that would come out and make a sound at a particular hour and it would just how you have the cuckoo clock but you know the kind of but it would also have other things like certain figurines move at this thing and they do certain things and and it was they really do seem in some way well ahead of their times

go the aussies arrive the island much love much love um [Music] dervish johnson shukran and much love for the super chat while has early ditch reason at the end of his spiritual journey would you agree the truth only resides outside human reality i don't think the truth resides only outside of human reality i think it also resides outside of the human reality but it does reside within our reality as well but um you know

while has early ditched reason you see imam al-ghazali was a scientist of his day and age and he was a great scientist and a philosopher and by scientist i mean people who observed nature and the world around them they observed biology they observed the laws of physics in their day and age so he speaks about um he'll speak about planetary motion he'll speak about all this kind of stuff he speaks about the senses and perception and sensation and all of this kind of stuff and he was an incredible philosopher

but he found himself at some point in his life in a crisis of faith one which he couldn't reconcile with reason or he couldn't sorry not reconcile he couldn't bridge with reason so he found himself with a gap and he needed to get across that gap that kind of leap and that leap he could only make by sheer faith and he felt that reason broke down and i feel that's a you know that's that's true to some extent

that reason is limited um i do also feel that we have gotten much further than he was 900 years ago so today with quantum physics it's a bit of a game changer because quantum physics has taught us things that and and it has raised the bar of reason so i'm not saying it's you know we're like but we are definitely somewhat um you know more enhanced in our awareness of reality and by what so understandings which are now then

part of reason you see because in his time you only had logic and logic falls short so let me give you a prime example so logic would teach you that one body and the and so gazali would have this in his books as well in other people as well that by logical um you know a illogical colory of of of certain understandings would be that one body cannot occupy two distinct spaces at the same given time

so this cup cannot be here and here simultaneously occupying two geometrically locations in the same instant it cannot do that and in fact that was considered and something they called from the buddhiet that they knew by default what maybe current would refer to as the categoricals so whereas quantum physics has changed that now we know about superpositions something i use refer to when it comes to the ontological nature

of the quran i borrow that term from quantum physics about the superpositions superpositional ontology the nature of the quran in in relation to its reader that it has superpositions but the superpositions of one subatomic at a subatomic in the subatomic realm things have different laws so this has expanded how we understand reality if you look at the quantum eraser experiment it also gets you one step closer in understanding predestination you see and we could never have done

that before and i think also now how we understand time you see the ancients almost it's interesting i spoke to doctor speaking to doctor professor faisal meer i love speaking to him i love speaking and i advise you all seriously i keep saying this you know you've got access to geniuses or people who are really good at something they really know something try and always speak to them pick their brains because it's it's like going through a whole class of something in just one conversation so i always love kind of picking the brains of these people i have

fortunate enough to have good contact with so and he's one of the the most you know world-run renowned physicist when it comes to quantum gravity he's a you know a world-renowned authority on quantum gravity he runs the the quantum gravity center in in canada and but you know we we were um i forgot now what i was going to say

but the whole point is that you see we've got somewhat of a closer understanding to to certain things like even time oh yes this was it and dr faisal said to me he said it's interesting the early theologians muslim or christian or whoever they seem to treat time they seem to absolute absolutise time more than they do god and it's interesting they do this unconsciously of course so they will say god is pre-eternal

that's amazing you see because what they don't get is you see that they don't understand how time works but that's because they're running on notions which are pre you know 20th century when we've got a greater understanding of how time works so they're running on a thing where there's a linearity of time and they assume that time works in a way that so god is pre eternal so they have that god himself they have to explain him in relation to time and this is why the quran never uses that word but muslims do in their

theology but this was influenced also by greek theology and christian theology as well that allah kadeem you see they use the word qadhim but allah never uses that word to describe himself in the quran because allah obviously he knows that time doesn't work it doesn't exist but we don't understand that it's only recently we've with einstein you know we've come to understand how time is relative and how it is actually space-time dimension it is one of the dimensions and the curvature of space and time and but also coming to understand that

it's just an illusion so what i'm trying to say is that we are still you know we're still a lot to learn but we do know certain things more than people 900 years ago about reality when it comes to the observable reality which can then help us in our faith as well so people in the past they did an incredible job they were geniuses i mean somebody like imam razali is a living he was a genius but he was naturally uh he he was held within his

own era you know he was captive to his era he couldn't be speaking about quantum physics either it didn't exist in his time he couldn't speak about time travel it didn't exist i mean you could just mention it as a hypoth hypothetical but you know it's different so i hope that shed some light right bobby valentino absolutely man absolutely i feel

uh absolutely dr faisal he i i actually i'm gonna probably speak to him tomorrow i'll see if i can get him on soon again right okay let's share some of the link and then what we'll do is uh we'll try to have a few get some of you on here let's try and keep it brief and then we'll wrap this up people

what's this thoughts on how no one exists here by choice we were just put here and expected to do right allah yeah you see that's one way of looking at it that we were just put here the other way of looking at that is that we were blessed and granted and bestowed a one in a million opportunity to experience this realm that is truly

so majestic you see in in in in just noticing how the the vastness the the drowning incomprehensible vastness of the cosmos to the ineffable unimaginable meaning derived by human interaction with one another just just just think of the blessings

of that that we have by by simple existence alone and i get that force for certain people it's very challenging but i'm focusing right now on the positive [Laughter] it is something you got to say huh i mean you could look at it as a depressive that uh there was a poem by uh nasir kazmi it's actually quite tragic actually quite tragic he says

what's the first line he says but but the second this the tragic part he says really is quite in fact i may have it here somewhere you know what yeah you now that you've got me you know wallahi poetry really brings a smile to my face at times you know i i just i actually i actually it's not just a smile you know when i hear like a good poem uncontrollably sometimes i'll break into

laughter just laughter of joy i find it so joyful to let me see i did where do i um oh this is another one i'll come back to this this is from the legend meet akimir

but also in farsi it means the the the weight of and the the burden of so like they'll say bare ammanite the the weight of trust being entrusted with this kind of source irani that you know and he this is actually islamic he's trying to say that you know the verse of the quran allah says that we are allah we gave the ammanna the trust to entrust it to the heavens and the earth and the mountains and all of them

would never have been able to handle insane it was too heavy too kind of uh heavy the load was for geran gerais [Laughter]

that which was too heavy for everything this one seems to you know this weak one seems to have just brought it along [Laughter] ah you have to love it honestly let me see if i can find uh yeah here it is this is for the you know the the depressives

he says that he says that they are passing through strange phases that my eyes the vision and the heart meaning him his whole experience it's going through a strange phase

just want to give him a hug here it's going to be all right man don't worry he says that we have hope for dawn we just don't have hope for life wow he says hey

and those days that we spent in your presence now i don't even have the contemplation of those days like i can't even like i can't even bring them to mine now [Laughter]

look how he's kind of shaping it he says now that i have this fear that your desire may dissipate that isn't that it's been so so many days now that i've not felt on a downer [Laughter] wow you know these poets can really take your mind to places and do wonders with it yeah i do honestly i poetry i love it i i

it it brings joy to my heart so often you know i listen to poetry sometimes i'll be driving or i'll be and i just burst into uncontrollable laughter just out of sheer joy of what they say sometimes yeah here's a line i've got here so sometimes i note some down that that i find so incredible i i just like put some down sometimes so here's one this is by moment who was a contemporary of khalip and he says

now check this out he says that this is saying that you know last evening moment is and look at the word he's using moment which means the faithful from from the arabic he says

he says you know last evening last night when mohammed got stuck in the masjid he got trapped meaning like he passed like he didn't really want to be in the mosque he got damn he got stuck and he had to be in the mosque and he says is such a play on words he says i spent that night crying out to allah like look at the look at the imagery that you see often people say that oh i spent that night

crying out to allah when you're stuck in some danger somewhere or it's like oh my god i got stuck in a storm and i spent the night crying out to allah and he says i got stuck in a mosque oh you have to love these people honestly they they were legends though ah seriously they so let me share

zinab sami lamrani shukran shukman right dearly appreciated i'm gonna share the invite on i realized i just that i had my earphones on all day today really i only needed to put them on when i go it is deep poetry is epic honestly those of you that can get into poetry get into it if you can there you go i've shared the link if

you want to jump on what we'll do is we'll try we'll try and keep it brief do switch on your webcam and i can get you on aura please make a video on the sciences of arabic language you know i really did love arabic grammar and i loved the the politics the gramerians the their rivalries they kind of uh you know the the the bickerings the the way they would diss each other the way and i was so into this for so often i mean for so many years in my learning

the problem was i never had anybody to relate it to because nobody was really into arabic grammar and um i'm just sharing a link again this is to if you want to join the live stream and there it is i've put in the comments right uh okay now yeah i couldn't really discuss it with people somebody's asking uh feras zahabi mind trap right yeah i mean i will speak to i know

it was supposed to happen then ferraz got busy and i know he's been doing quite a bit i spoke to him uh i think it's been probably two three weeks now probably a bit maybe i can't remember now three or four weeks he was in actually las vegas prepping a particular fight he's he's like a world star coach for mma and i know he's very busy but yeah let's see let's see

all right are you sunny i am sunni shukran all right so all right so true guidance right i've shared i'll share the link once again and then i'll start taking some of the guests we've got here lucy wine jones

salami come absolutely i can i can how are you okay are you suggesting that my surname implies that i get drunk a lot [Laughter] not at all god forbid did i mispronounce it twin jones it's a win it's it's about winning that's what it is you all you illiterately out there that can't read including me all right gotta say i love the earphones

i've got a collection of them from all the times that are due to planned obsolescence it seems like a is like a gaming set that you've got the i've been proper in i went through a certain state a certain phase where i was i'd become like a connoisseur for headphones and i was trying out so many different ones and i think i must have gone through so many brands i mean but i i to be honest what had happened was i just went to a i think i was a um where was i actually uh

but anyway i just i just got up here from um from the store and they said to me look listen why don't you i said i'm undecided so they said i'll tell you what why don't you just take them and just bring them back if you don't like them so i said i said but really you're cool with that they say absolutely so i was just doing that like after every three weeks i was taking the next brand and i was taking i was comparing them all i was reading the reviews and i just got carried away

so how are you doing lucy i'm doing fine thanks i've got some i long ago i wrote a silly poem and this was in the trump days wow okay would you like to share that with us okay i i don't remember all the lines but i can try to freestyle and make a fool of myself and do throw in questions to make it extra awkward for me like some sort of silly rap battle adds to the entertainment sorry to trump trump okay i felt heartbroken for trump as fire was

used to worship trump i felt heartbroken for trump looks like they need more than a travel ban from biden at the time when the poem was written i said the word trump because trump was then president but i think you get the gist we do we do yeah as as for fire was used to worship trump they could potentially burn trump looks like they need more than a travel ban from trump sorry to trump the trump will he respond like moses to the worship of donald trump moses at the golden calf yeah it's written for a general audience so we've

saved her musa his spam no it's fine you can say moses we we're absolutely okay if you want to get yourself into extra trouble you can always say moshe rabbei nuala hashem meaning moses i'm impressed yeah that that's that's hebrew by the way for moses but you can say that if you feel like getting yourself into trouble and scaring and tricking people that you're in the mossad [Laughter] wow so okay was that that so that was the poem wow okay that's very uh

that you you call this more that you can analyze it yeah very very fascinating is this something you have an interest in in writing poetry and you you do that often lucy oh probably not as often as i could do i i usually spend most of my time behind the computer coding when i feel like it and i also computer coder yeah i can do i can code websites so yeah need any i i know like there's different types of website development so there's i know like there's lam stack there's mern stack there's mean stack um there's there's all sorts of these stand for different programming languages and

stuff so this is just going whoa whoa all over over our head this is like yeah usually when when people get to a higher level of website coding and stuff they tend to be very specialized in one particular area of website development and not just oh one or the other or so for example a wordpress developer would be more suitable for a small scale website whereas a laravel or own coder would be more suitable for other websites so it does i i know that i know like i i know the basic i know like i i also have tutored kids in

website development that's a bit about myself and back to them well you know what lucy you've got the job me oh this wasn't a job oh no trump is he going to fire me i can't hack his website and know all the different security there's nothing on these websites so lucy what what have you what are on your uh you know preoccupying your thoughts do you have a a kind of like something to share in addition to the poem which you've shared or maybe a question or is

there some yeah okay i've got a bit of extra poetry that i was thinking of it's not the trump poem as that as we're probably a bit all bored of trump tricks by now yeah yeah it's god is one and one alone one of him and one alone one of him and not in a three not even in a trinity so i came up with that style of poetry and yeah i know that my my good friend oh i don't have permission to mention her name here but she she wrote according to that style of poetry which is reciting one line and then the other

line ends and similarly sure and that's very impressive repeats itself and questions whoa so yeah um to what to what extent um this is a difficult one but to what extent do does a person's tajweed need to be correct in order to recite the quran and stuff because i know like as a revert to islam i i know like when i hear people recite the quran without correct tajweed i get all icky because i'm used to hearing the proper reciters and stuff i

mean these things are just what you'd say in arabic like that somebody to their capacity yes it's i guess it may be work in progress you just kind of improve you're learning a language or you're learning to say words from a language and you may improve the the accent so to speak or your pronunciation over time um it's it's it's uh it's naturally desirable but it doesn't mean you have to if you if you struggle to do it it's um i mean i mean it may just sound interesting to some people but it

wouldn't i don't think it's it's something to to worry yourself about i would see you see the other way i to me it would be more of i would see as opposed to some people seeing it as like a right wrong issue i would see more as a passion issue that i would want to it's like when i'm trying to um learn spanish i i want the pronunciation i want the the whole thing even many years ago i used to do some chinese and and i was really interested in wanting the actual pronunciation as opposed to just doing it you know in my way

so and and it's not difficult arabic is actually quite i think um it's it's probably in the middle it's i mean it may not be incredibly easy and and i don't feel it's incredibly difficult because it's something the letters um and the pronunciation are kind of locked in so once it's a bit like spanish if they're kind of locked in once you can read them you can say them and that's it they don't like in english the pronunciation of words changes the letters may be pronounced like this here and that over there or hard c here soft

see there it's and they don't always follow rules you just have to follow what the people speak it like but in arabic if you just know the rules you're good to go and you could pick that up just from youtube to be honest and you could pick it up within a few days it's it's very alhamdulillah yeah and you know you are you also learning the language as well like i know like how are you doing what's this what's that how's the weather are you learning a bit of speak as well i i know like i'm reluctant to speak for dialectical arabic because i know like in egyptian arabic for example which is

the main dialectical arabic you can get access a person can get access to in the english speaking world they pronounce the letters as g g as g instead of j so morgan it would it would usually be more jacket i think that's a i think that's a good choice that definitely avoid avoid the the kind of uh what they could the army they kind of colloquial speak but i think just focus on what either what they call msa modern standard arabic or higher with the classical kind of arabic and and even even if you're with an accent you know you're saying

you just just go at it just do it speak it with an english accent and just say mother mother tether a little mahal now and then soon it'll just kind of come through be like numb oh yeah i know like i've i have picked up a lot of our arabic terminology and i can alhamdulillah throw it around i can also a bit through i know like a lot of muslims who watch the internet and stuff i know like there's one muslim youtube channel muslim by choice that has uploaded

videos by rabbi tovia singer he he's he he used to be based in indonesia were you were you jewish before when no no oh right okay no but i i know like i've talked to you about this before i do claim i do claim that the irish high kings of old are descendants of the ancient egyptians right we've spoken about this before yes i remember now i recall and i know like i know like it's just like through watching my point about rabbi tobias singer is like through watching him i can i have picked up how to use certain jewish expressions so

if i'm in trouble in london or something i can probably convince people that i'm actually a more sad agent by throwing out hebrew words if i feel oh i'm in trouble i don't think that's the best course of action but still it's good for a laugh uh absolutely absolutely well lucy shakur and shukran it's amazing to hear your thoughts the poetry your computer script and also your passion for learning languages i hope other people are inspired shukran for joining us

and do stay in touch okay stay blessed people that was lucy wyn jones not wine all right so some somebody's asking for the link there is the egyptian g is killing me yeah all right so we've got here safe the app safety up assalamu alaikum safe

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guys what multiple packages you can use to get to know okay i don't know what oh right people are talking about programming all right well that's something i'm totally illiterate in actually you know what as a teenager look out look how long ago that was i did do that kind of uh what was it called then was it like called something like turbo c plus plus or something and am i making it up or i've got this memory of doing that but i don't know so

all right yep old age that's what it is man old age all right so uh people i hope things are good let me just how do you deal with look at this rahan how do you deal with nihilism and islam you know that's a um

that's a very interesting kind of question right i i've just shared that link by the way to connect i don't think nihilism for most people is really a problem i think it was the problem philosophers thought we would have if we rejected god but as it so turned out people didn't really i think we're just programmed to get on with it we don't

you see i do think we have i agree with those people who say that we have an instinct for meaning that it's in i suppose in the words of kant if you like it would be a categorical that it would be basically that we are hardwired to seek meaning but not necessarily at an existential level a great kind of i think

as far as reality is concerned navigating through life that's true we are you know we do try to seek meaning we do try to things must make sense however pondering over the meaning of life pondering over the meaning of our very existence i don't think these things are ina like as in i don't think we're hardwired to do that i think we end up doing that but we can avoid it and this is how most of humanity survives and thrives they just don't think about these things but there was a fear and this is why

schopenhauer ah you know arthur schappenhauer and and followed by nietzsche uh especially sharpen hour he felt that the whole world's gonna go to the dogs now that we've got rid of religion everybody's going to and that bechara looked like a proper dookie atma you know if you want to look at someone you think damn this guy looks depressed honestly arthur schopenhauer is a fine example sharpener looks so depressed man you just look at him and you get depressed so he was all about nihilism and that

the whole thing is going to the dogs and we're not going to be able to find meaning in this world and but then nietzsche kind of comes along and he thinks and he thinks uh-oh that's going to happen look our guru sharpener said so and and he felt so that that would be the case and he comes out with his kind of antidote amor fatih which is not to be in love with someone called fatih but amor the the the kind of the love or the will to fate just embracing fate

but really i don't think any of that was necessary because human beings don't actually aren't as you know they are not in transiently philosophical they just they're just on a conveyor belt of existence they just move through you know this reminds me a good i watch this documentary trying to recall what it's called but it's it's about the um some of the last hunter gatherers that exist today

and they are a window into the hunter-gatherer ancestors of of all of us and it's interesting so i i think it may be in the kind of by the kalahari bushman or somewhere but this person goes it's on youtube and he's got a translator and he's trying to interview them and it's very fascinating because he follows them around for a couple of days and they just hunt the uh they hunt stuff and that's all they they hunter gatherers still and they just live off the meat and you know they don't grow anything they don't do anything literally hunter-gatherers so i thought this would be really

interesting so i was watching it i thought i wonder how they think i wonder what and he's really excited about these questions because i want to know what they believe i wonder what they think about an afterlife what do they think about ethics what do they think about this but they don't really answer much of the questions and the chief or the guy that that they are asking most of his his mind and his his thoughts are just trapped in meat everything is just meat it's just like oh meat meat yes he likely asked him you know what is

happiness meat meat yes yes yes and what would you like we get more meat we get meat and this is the whole world and and you can see that they have this young lad with them as well this young hunter gatherer and and and he's kind of coming in with some of the answers but really they just don't seem to focus on he asks them what do you think about the afterlife what do you think happens after death what do you think they just say well you know we don't know like but you know some of our spirits are still here but but yeah meat meat we need to

go it's like they're so locked in because that is everything it is their sheer existence yeah it's a bit like that i don't know if you've seen that kind of uh that comedy sketch about what says what people think bodybuilders sound like and he's got a group of guys on the beach they're all kind of like super hench and tonkin and so one of them comes and he says he said oh he says man i love protein milk says protein i love protein man and then there's another one standing there says do you say protein i love protein man i

say yeah bet you do here here's a milkshake and another one comes and he says ah do you guys say protein i love pro proteins awesome man and that's what their discussion was pretty much like right we've got uh safety ab is back let's bring him on people all right safety all right can you hear me i can loud and clear thank god pick two let's go ah fry let's do this people thank you action safe where are you joining us from oh

i'm from new york city the big apple is that you is that you causing the commotion nyc which one no yeah man that is those are the places ain't they you know when you think about it never sleeps

it wasn't very nice but whatever but yeah is it okay what do you do what's work oh no so we regulate uh the the natural gas companies and there were been there has been a lot a lot of natural gas explosion incidents so yeah wow okay not nice yes [Music] talk to us man is that are you is that an egyptian name by the way yeah it is uh because i i just know by the famous musician what's his name again yeah i get that a lot that's it with the ab yes yes yes so

all right talk to me what's going on what would you like to share i want to get your understanding of remember the story of adam and eve before they were kicked out of the garden right and they ate that tree uh what's your understanding of that story it does it have to do with like consciousness or um let's give you like a general view of your understanding what do you mean about well just just to understand the question

do you remember adam and eve it's like oh yeah yeah i remember [Music] in the garden and uh the shaytan whispered to him to eat from that tree right uh so like because the general understanding in like the jewish christian muslim society the average people believe that they were like naked and when they it ate from that tree they recognized their nudity and they start covering up their shame right uh but when i read the quran i get like a different

interpretation and uh so god says the word says right which is some if you look in the quran it means evil deeds and i think you were talking about evilness last week or the week before and i wanted to jump into say this part but yeah so um uh that not safe and turned to you as he tempted your parents uh to remove them

from the china paradise usually the translation say from their clothing or showing their private parts and yes so this you know the what is called sometimes especially in the biblical sense the fall from grace or uh yeah you know just the forbidden adam and the forbidden fruit story this is something which the um i think there's a bit of uh what i'll do

is i'll just mute your mic so yes so just so because there's some kind of uh rustling sound coming through right so this the um the whole atom ali salam and the story of the garden and the fruit forbidden fruit and what does all of this exactly mean in its uh precise nature

i think it's it's there for the readers for for us what we understand from it so some people have understood different things the nature of the quran is that it can give you know this is one of the most amazing features of the quran that it gives different meanings it dawns with new meanings to to to people that that do tilawah that recited that kind of ponder over and we spoke about pondering today so to some people this has been uh okay so to to many people they they feel that

this is entirely literal in all of its sense and that's on one end now some people feel it's entirely literal although i think sorry if we were to have a spectrum let's say this is 100 literal i don't think anybody says it's 100 literal i think uh they may say it's like 95 literal 98 literal because there's certain words in there which i don't think anybody takes literally so things like the tree of eternity

now what does that mean so they so they may kind of interpret that part differently to say well that's a metaphor for something or that was just a name given to this tree or something but the actual literal word would mean that once they eat from it it's it's a tree of eternity like of eternality you would become eternal now so okay but mostly let's say overwhelmingly literal you've got that and on the other end of the spectrum you've got people who take it as an allegory an absolute allegory so they may say um you know that this is uh entirely

allegorical and you've got in some of the um the sufi tafasir tough thieves about that that it's actually a representation of the nufs that it's allegorical about the nerves and about temptation and and it's this kind of allegory to understand the nerves and i would say most people are probably you know in between that that they are but more so towards the literal side i would say most people are more towards the literal they may think some parts in it are kind of metaphorical uh but there was a um there was this incident there was adam

and this happens and you know there was some forbidden fruit and he takes it and this is what begins this whole journey it's it's not mentioned with categorical precise sequential steps in the quran it's mentioned with some detail but not with and then this happened and like the way in the bible for example so it's not we have to there's parts missing well what happens here how did they get in the garden how did this happen what was that how long were they there how long was what were the other people in the garden was the garden on earth was the garden somewhere else these are all

speculative questions which scholars have delved into and they've looked at and so you know people have disagreed and i think it's it's part of the amazing journey that we primarily the quran when it narrates stories it's for you to kind of ponder over them and to find some meaning in them and to reflect on that that's the purpose of the stories that allah says it's ibrahim and so we take meanings from them so to me if a person reads it and he finds a certain meaning that he thinks wow you know okay this you know this really

adds something to my life beyond just you know it could so so as an example i've heard some people say that it's about uh the whole thing about um in fact a llama he has an interpretation that it's about um it's about sexual intercourse and the beginning of children and so they that the forbidden fruit was actual uh referring to a sexual intimacy um you've got other people who say the forbidden and i think this is also in the in the jewish tradition and the

judeo-christian tradition that the forbidden fruit was knowledge and this is why they say the tree was the tree of knowledge in some of the rabbinic literature and some muslims have said that as well and i believe i i'll have to double check that ibn abbasi's transmission was also that it was the tree of knowledge so and then some people are in between some people feel that it may have been a psychedelic uh fruit that was to trigger the birth of consciousness as what certain psychologists and scientists today say that you know when man some they say that some homo sapien was

the father of the the cognitive revolution we don't know he was but he was somebody and and one of the possible ways that that may have began is he consumed a certain fruit or a certain edible he ate something not edible as in the weed thing but something psychedelic that triggered that's maybe something rich in dmt something rich in something incredibly powerful that's some theory that people have i think these stories are personal they it's not about trying to control narratives i don't think you know it's trying to say people should be

it's not really our job to be saying well when you read the quran what kind of meaning does it add to your life and oh my god it shouldn't add this me should only add this meaning it's you know this is the one the wonderful nature of the quran that it does that but the actual precise details nobody knows them we don't know the quran doesn't give like a list of details it just shares glimpses into a an incident the incident of the um some incidents of this kind of fall from grace are in other traditions as well they're

not just in the the kind of judeo christian the outside of the tradition you do find other cultures as well some people say there's certain reflections also in the sumerian babylonian cultures as well of the serpent for example and gilgamesh the whole incident of gilgamesh and the eternity that he was trying to his epic of trying to attain immortality and eventually he does he attains it but the snake tricks him and and you know so there are other cultures that have certain reflections as well

that we can find sometimes that's interesting you know they've got a similar similar thing here that part's different but yeah i hope that adds i don't know if that really answers the question the truth is nobody has absolute knowledge of adam alaysalam nobody knows exactly uh what exactly happened step by step with him or there's just a spectrum of opinions some people you know most muslims i would feel myself included that it was he was a real person and that is that the that these were real events how they portrayed

there may be use of language that is metaphorical and literary but there was some event to some people the the absolute thing was a metaphor and i know a lot of christians today and and uh i don't know about jewish but definitely christians feel the entire thing was a metaphor um certain sufi tafasir do feel the entire thing was a metaphor as well i i'm pretty sure um even arabi has a particulate of seed on it as well that but i'll have to where he speaks of it being a adam of many atoms

as well so yeah not to kind of digress too much but okay i hope that gives some i've just unmuted you no it doesn't is it not allowing me to unmute you [Laughter] hello i think that's a sign [Laughter] right so i hope that helps is that is that okay i'm not sure if there's good yeah sure but i think look the yeah there's a bit of uh with your voice it's a bit of

a delay but i think look with these stories of the quran the main thing is that allah says we tell you these stories so they may add some meaning to your life that you understand even with the story of adam we understand it was something about responsibility we understand it was something about a journey a personal journey not as in a physical journey but a journey of man so to speak of human by man i mean human a story of consequences a story of facing

a story of remorse it was about and also and i find one of the most beautiful things about this story is despite consequences and despite remorse something beautiful can still come out of it because which was the beginning of humanity if you think about it and so it's it's there's so much to take away from it so yeah i hope that helps man safe it's been good uh catching up take care stay blessed much love people that was safe the ab i'm not sure if he was related to the

egyptian singer musician but uh does any uh look at this first time i catch mufti live ever i'm never awake this late and many a things happen man first time man first time we've got isa is

where are you joining us from baltimore maryland from baltimore of france maryland alright you're doing it man talk to us asa i like it i like the whole you've got look at look at the vibe you've got a whole vibe going on there oh yeah oh that's low it's 9 30 it's 9 30 where i'm at so i'm in my late night clothes just at all work a couple hours ago you know no no that's it's good it's good that you could join us shukran shukran talk

to us what's on your on your mind was preoccupying your thoughts so uh questions hopefully will be too much but um what do you think about like um teaching my children religion right like i don't i don't want to tell them what to be you know what i'm saying i don't want to tell them oh because i

accepted islam now you're this no i want them to so i didn't yeah what do you think about like uh as far as that that's that's a that that's a like what a good way to teach them a very good question do you mind me asking how how long has it been since you embraced islam and just a bit about that do you mind me asking

2015 when i came home from jail i didn't accept islam in jail but i started going to like uh i guess they're like little bible studies in there and i was getting more finding my faith in christianity okay and that kind of led me to studying torah islam long story short wow no absolutely no it's always it's always a pleasure to to hear really about people's kind of journey and it it it it's just like

the power of it you know this of just recounting and just sharing these stories sometimes is that it it gives a boost to everyone who listens to it and it's amazing may allah bless your journey i mean and you know accept uh your efforts and and this whole path i mean i think it's a really good question that you've asked about children and you're saying look i don't want to kind of impose my faith on to my children and your children are young i take it right yeah so 11 okay

11 and 12. you know what you know people say hijab and all that yeah look what i would say is that you keep things natural and what you do is it's you see to this is and everybody everybody has a shot at giving their opinion on these it's not like i have some kind of master blueprint that is the answer it's not but the way i see things is that it should just be natural and to me my view would be that preaching

seldom works it's not about preaching it's about shining with something that people see like they think you know what i think wow man this you know what since esa's got something man like you know i i see these values in him sometimes i see this like people you could for example maybe they see a humanitarian side they see this compassion they see something and they think and your children too even and i get that they may be now bordering on that kind of you know that teenage bordering on getting closer to that and sometimes there's that rebellious nature in kids but they love by by default they

love their journey and and they will see that you know you know dad's got this about him or he's got that about him and they want to be a part of that journey they want you know what i want to be i want to be this person's so positive all of a sudden this person's so happy i want that and i think that is really the way um that and you know it's interesting that that's actually how in early islam when the companions of the prophet would go somewhere this is actually how they would be that it wasn't contrary to what people think they weren't kind of going to people saying

become muslim say i believe in allah say i do this they weren't doing that people were just like you know they're like what's this guy's you know what's this positivity all about and and and why is this person so beaming with this radiant kind of ball and they would say oh us you know we we we don't we freed ourselves from this superstition we just believe in god and people will be like wow okay what do i have to do to do that say well you just be a part of it you know it's about humanity it's about and i think you know a step at a time and people they will come and and with your own

wisdom how you see obviously nobody knows your situation like how you know it and there may be things like for example maybe with food you've got you know halal food and they learn and say oh wow this is you know this is halal food this is how it is and um and if people are like they may see you pray and they may think wow you know what wow dad what is that you know that's meditating or they may think well you know whoa he's kind of like and they may want to try it out and they they may think well actually i like this you know it gives me a few minutes a day i'm just in my you know i zone into myself i mean

i'm not i try to be at peace and and this is it and what i would say is you emphasize to them this thing islam's emphasis of uh of things like this charitable nature you know this this is what islam teaching them that islam's emphasis on smiling islam's emphasis on sometimes giving even if it's a little you're giving caring for the neighbors doing this this is what islam emphasizes and people this speaks volumes and people this in my this is how i see things and the rest kind of follows if people they want to

do something if they if they want to be a part alhamdulillah that's wonderful and if i don't think imposing or kind of trying to be strict on people is the way and i think in in my experience it always even if in the short term it makes people do things in the long term it takes them 100 miles farther away from it like they just the first opportunity they get they resent it so that's how i would and and you know it's an amazing and speaking about that the charitable side or that um that when the prophets uh muhammad sallallahu alaihi went to medina and you and you

know some of the people had come with him and the others were kind of getting to know each other and he was asked what shall we do like what should we go around like what should we do and people were you see they were seen as kind of strangers because they were on this new thing like what is this thing and so the prophet said he said he said he said that he said feed people he said you know what if you've got some food share it with someone and he said and you know what say a

peaceful word salaam to someone and it doesn't mean it has to be in arabic arabic like i don't know exactly oh you said you live in baltimore now i don't know about the neighborhood but it doesn't mean like let's say i i don't know like this is just a shot in the dark let's say you live in a neighborhood which is it's it's not really muslim and in which case you're going to your local shop and and the person opens the door is a regular american numbers you're saying

they'll be like what the hell is this guy doing so it doesn't you see that's not spreading salaam salam because you have to remember in the prophet's time they all spoke arabic you know the person said hey peace be up to you people were like whoa oh thank you man you know that's so kind you know it's like today you say to someone like you know if you say to someone like you know may god keep you smiling like it's like wow like okay thank you i didn't that's it touch you know it touches people's heart like they don't expect you to say something so kind to them and in the in the time of the prophet

they all understood arabic so it made sense so saying these things that spreading peace or peaceful words here after salaam saying nice words to people words of peace that this is what the prophet taught um i think it's a journey and i think it's gonna be inshallah a wonderful one along the way you may have some you know interesting jumps and a little bit of uh just as any path does but i think it for the most part um it's about just enjoying that path along the way may allah bless you may bless your family asa make things easy for you i mean

cool all right take care stay blessed and we'll speak soon man people that was isa hakeem from baltimore there is something i appreciate those all right willie the kid i'll certainly tread cautiously

guys uh where we are let's wrap this up it's come to two and a half hours it's been epic as always um just some quick words i'll bring up here as well just check my diary this coming monday i unless it's monday or tuesday it's the end of the month monday i should be having the book club meet up which

which would be discussing the book or you can't really see it's money by yuval harari it's been a fascinating read a short read if you want to jump on that and start reading it you can reach out to lee kardan which is spell yeah i'll just type it in here so you can see it on i don't think lee is online right now so if you message her on instagram or facebook she's uh managing the enrollment to the book lounge

the book club so we can if you're interested it is for people who are genuinely interested about reading uh we will discuss the book it's had some fascinating themes so far it's discussed things like uh imaginative realities history the formation capitalism the pros and cons and politics the formation of the shift of powers global powers it's it's just been incredible the the concept of freedoms i'm really enjoying it and i'm looking forward to discussing it that will be on

monday night inshallah on the book lounge server on discord so you can reach out to as i've mentioned i'll put that up again lee kedan and she will help you out with that guys other than that this friday i should be doing a mind trap with seiya dr sayed hamad looking forward to that should be discussing uh some of the key legends the mystic legends of this ummah like uh mahyadine and let's take a look at that explore some of his thoughts and how they can

add value in this day and age especially in in an age in the age of rising consciousness i would say or con yeah and we're definitely in an age where there is much more of a concern and an approach towards consciousness and i feel that is the gateway to god this in this day and age of in an age of post religion the path to god i feel is through the gate of consciousness those who pursue consciousness inshallah that is i mean non-muslims especially and muslims too that that is what leads them to god

people take care of yourselves somebody said the wire that's exactly what i thought you know you know when i thought baltimore i thought the wire ah god honestly it's you see to me america is all movies and that's my frames of reference movies and tv series and just tv really i think wow i remember when i visited it's been several years now and i saw um the yellow bus and i was like oh my god that's like in the movies

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