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Monday Nights with Mufti Abu Layth: Session 84

salah salaah namaz prayer salaat namaaz as-salah al-salah salawat pilgrimage hadj fiqh fiqah fikh ahadith ahaadeeth hadis ahaadith saheeh saheeh hadith sound hadith madhab mazhab school of law madhahib mazahib madhaahib malik ibn anas malik bin anas imam maalik imam malik ibn anas maghreb magrib salat al-maghrib maghrib prayer sunset prayer imaam prayer leader eid al-fitr eid al-adha eid ul-fitr eid ul-adha eidul fitr eidul adha bakra eid bari eid choti eid festival udhiyah qurbani qurbaani udhiya udhiyya kurbani umra oomrah lesser pilgrimage masjid masjed masaajid masajid faqih faqeeh fuqaha shari'ah shariat sharee'ah maaliki malikite malikiyyah maliki school hanafite hanafiyyah hanafi school qiyas qiyaas muftis hukm ahkam hukum hukam ahkaam halaal permitted lawful haraam forbidden mandub mandoob mustahabb mustahab wajib waajib wajibat fard farz faraid fard ayn fard kifayah fardh sunnat sunan prophetic practice dalil daleel adillah adilla mawdu' mawdoo maudu mawdhu rawi raawi ruwat rijal kufr kuffar kaafir kufar kaafirun disbelief iman imaan eemaan eeman hasad hasd sihr sihar jadu jadoo kala jadu sorcery akhirah akhira aakhirah akhirat hereafter jahannam jahanam jahannum quraan al-quran sura soorah suwar soora chapter ayah aya ayat ayaat aayah aayat wahy wahi wahee sahabah sahaba sahabi sahabiyyah sahabiyat khalifah khalifa khulafa khilafah khilafat khilafa madinah madina al-madinah madeenah yathrib 'alim aalim ulama ulema ulamaa shaykh shaikh sheik shuyukh shaykhs umma ummat community jihaad mujahid nikah nikkah nikaah nikah nama nikahnama talaaq talak hijaab hejab hijabi zinaa zinah fornication adultery in sha allah insha'allah in shaa allah insha allah inshaa allah alhamdulillah alhamdulilah al-hamdu lillah alhumdulillah alhamdulillaah subhaanallah subhanallaah as-salamu alaykum assalamu alaikum assalamualaikum salaams salam alaykum wa alaykum as-salam greeting barakah barakat barkat baraqah blessing shukr shukar shukur ikhlas ikhlaas fitrat natural disposition al-din ad-deen ad-din rahmah rahma rahmat

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Oh wha this has been such a nightmare today I don't know if it's gonna work one issue after another so I thought well I was just gonna postpone the whole thing but then I thought what the hell I'll give it one last try if it works if not then tomorrow it is I don't know if you guys can hear me because my iPad

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collapsed on me last minute that was great so then I've had to try it on my phone so my one phone for some reason wouldn't work and so I've tried it on my other phone if it's working fine is is it okay you can hear and see me are ahh we is life Allah Akbar people the magic potion is being poured

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right so right let's so f1 as always had this crazy headache as well going on today I was like damn I don't know whether it's just lack of sleep or crazy sleeping patterns or lack of caffeine I don't know what it is so in the hamdulillah wa kafa salat wa salam o allah rasool allah mustafa voila I bet I live in October or Mumbi Hotel

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method ah or bi sorry Medina Tata for bad for salam ala he ll own I know sanam become marhaban whining like bienvenidos a todos people / hey Rowley and swagatam swagatam right so we are back quite a few things I wanted to kind of touch upon I know why it's taken me half now to get this up and running so those of you just tuning in if you'd

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click like and share to get this and whilst I'm doing that I'll just share this out myself as well right now I can see those of you wondering this is just a cushion I can see in this now right so I'm gonna just click share here weather today though yes

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I'm just shirring that no right that's good I don't you see this isn't my what I normally do the the Facebook live from so that for some reason I had my iPad on charge and unbeknownst to me it wasn't even connected so when I sat down to set it up there was just it wouldn't work as to so then I thought I'll try a different anyway nevertheless as long as you guys can see me as long as you can

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hear me as long as it's not blurry and it's all good this is the the Samsung S 9 phone so hopefully should work ok for now there were quite a few things I want to discuss do I understand the mother of a dialect I understand a certain portion of it I believe I do anyway so what I'm sure obviously dialects can be difficult in their own in their own sense when people speak and the speed at which they're speaking but I can understand

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the gist of certain conversations in the mother of a dialect or I think so anyway they're probably just fooling me anyway yes L AM yes L AM Anil solna where have we got to you right so some things I want her a highlight right so this weekend whilst people are tuning in thinking what's wrong with multi-blade for God's sake he's never on time you see and that is true that you know the one thing I envy in a positive way about

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people is is I envy that in a sense that they have routine in my life I could just never seem to get a routine about anything he's just aa it's all the only constant is chaos chaotic routine is my only routine and and I see people with such a clockwork lifestyle and I think wow what would life be like if if it was like that

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nevertheless right so where we at people is it obligatory for Muslims to believe in sahi hadith we believe in the Sunnah and we believe that that you see because that doesn't make any sense that question because that question if you rephrase it it's like saying is it obligatory because sahih hadith is a sign it's like a hadith science and a terminology from that so it's like saying is it obligatory in Muslim for

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Muslims to believe in pseudo thick it doesn't it's it's a so what you ought to be saying is you need to rephrase that question like do we need to give hadith importance is there obligatory to take every hadith that is deemed sahi by certain scholars then the question comes back to well what we mean by deemed sahi because so many scholars have graded hadith differently many scholars placed subset conditions like the Maliki yeah like the Hanna fear and I would refer you to my my brief talk that I have on

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YouTube called it it's actually that do we need that should we reject hadith it's it's got a longer title beginning about Buhari that I think it says something about the problems with sahib ahora him I mean if you type in Buhari and reject hadith and my name it should come up because in there I discuss the issue the issue with Sahil Bihari today oh that's it the problems with

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body in our age and should we reject all hadith I am NOT asking you Osuna hadith okay frozen what are you asking look at that though the way out which people speak I'm not asking you this I'm sorry my nose Tamaki gibberish a Maki ji right so was Abu Talib saved as some of the companion I've answered this previously about Abu

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Talib I do believe that a liberal on was kind of saved that's my understanding my inclination and I've got a more detailed response previously you can search that and check it out do you believe that man landed on the moon or did the moon land on man mine landed on the moon of course people have landed on the moon for God's sake you know I understand whether it was whether the Americans faked it initially or not that's one discussion

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because of the the space wars and the space race going on between Russia and what is the America so I understand that but as to now have people reach the moon it's ridiculous and preposterous to think they haven't just look at the technology around you for God's sake we are on the verge of perhaps having soon quantum quantum computers artificial intelligence is so incredibly intelligent I mean it's so incredibly groundbreaking that areas and that's artificial

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intelligence in our day and age and that's our day and age right now and of course they've landed on the moon god dammit right so and whilst people are still tuning in this Sunday there was the United Muslims convention or conference or UMC so I attended that I'll just give some brief kind of flashbacks about a as always it's great to kind of like go to these gatherings meet people always an

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opportunity to also meet the Imams the speakers people like that sometimes get a bit of that chitchat going understand what people are up to so that's always kind of great hamdulillah people like Imam Suraj were Haj were there who really is one of the most I think he has that undisputed I don't just mean from age but that seniority in in respect really and people you know they you can see that around him as well and he's

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somebody who carries in my understanding a lot of a lot of wisdom carries a lot of wisdom with him you know may Allah bless him preserve him allow us to benefit from him I mean and he's somebody who's always had this consistency about him and I I like I mean I really do like that and appreciate it it's not he's not been somebody that's been so much into the academic side of things or the Elmi side of things is he's not so concerned about you know my sir al or vehicle but

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just about the consistent steadfast nature of this thing and I'm and that you've got a kind of you've got to kind of salute him for that you know because decades later II still like that much Allah may Allah bless him so there were other people as well I mean although I mean there was some some scholars visiting scholars reciters from South Africa it's great to meet them was a chef Mohammed Dini from I think he

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said Ohio in in America seemed like an amazing person I really wanted to get into more delve into more kind of deep discussions with him but time didn't really permit so that was all good I met chef Hassan Ali that was interesting you know the interesting thing was a little while back those of you that remember there was all this drama about people getting really so shocked that I broke the news I don't break the news it was already there but

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that Jesus is not coming back there is no second coming of of Jesus Christ peace and blessings be upon him so this really shocked people some people I mean I wasn't the first person to say this but I obviously these people were a bit surprised by and and yeah and you had all this all these kind of reputations and all these people speaking out against me now during that time Cheverus and I Lee was one of the people I generally have a principle of that as long as somebody

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generally speaking does not openly attack me in public and try to kind of be rude to me then to the best of my ability I will not be I mean as a principal I will not be kind of I will always try to show respect to that person so as long as they don't publicly I mean if they publicly kind of malign me and personally attack me then it's fair game then there's no holds barred okay so it's just straight so but so sheer hassan ali had done a video he was one of the people that did a video

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against me at that time and the interesting thing is he was you see I actually mentioned at that time that sure hassan ali i do know him in a very respectful light I'm not going I'm going to show him respect and I'm not going to kind of go be out of town with him so that was in my response to him and then he made a count of response we if I'm gonna be honest he he it was just out of character because I was showing him respect in my response and he just made a response by just making personal attacks and that to false attacks

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against me and so and I just thought wow like I was a bit okay I'm trying to be nice this is the world that poet says that which is in the geek itthe not a robot or nahi that I don't have that much experience of this world but it's not John Tejada he may look genie he did you know that it with if you try to be simple people just do not let you live

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in this world I thought here's me being so nice to this sheriff saying you know he came to the Midlands I drove him around I dropped him off in many years back and I have respect for him and he's personally attacking me for no reason I just thought wow so I met him and needless to say I think there was the ship was a bit be anxious and do you know it's amazing how anxious the ship was whether I was recording all of this and I made it clear that look I'm not relaxed yourself I'm not recording things so anyway we had a very intense

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conversation and my point was very straight I don't know what the was going on about certain things alleged these faults you know all people say you misquote you do this I asked him give me one example of a misquote and he obviously said I don't know any from so I said well there you go but that I said that's irrelevant my point was simple I said you can disagree with me you can critic critique my views you can criticize my opinions you and call me my opinions off the track or whatever but why were you personally attacking me when I was being very

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respectful to you and we had a very kind of an interesting and an intense conversation actually and and he said that yet no lead hand allowed that that that was actually wrong of him he shouldn't have actually done that and I said well fine I said the rest of it I don't really care I mean I said I said you know as far as my opinions go fine you can you can refute my opinions and I said any day I am ready for a dialogue any day that you pick a topic that you feel that I've got an you know one of my

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problematic issues I'm ready let's have a dialogue and and then this was another thing you see like the sheriff said I'll have a dialogue with you but nobody can be present nobody can record it we can't record it no cab nothing can't audio record it can't even be a single person in the room yes I am but still I'm still ready anyway nevertheless so that's my main point that you know if people are respectful to you then you ought to be respectful back and definitely for a responsible person not to be making faults kind of just you know false digs and stuff like

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that nevertheless put that aside but it was good to meet him as always I did say you see that's I think it got to a point where the sheriff said well okay what what do you want now I said jello up Johnny's or just just give me a hug and off you go I said that's it it's it's all right what's past is past so but moving on and you know it's interesting I met some other people

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there I met some you know some people that debates that they get into Islamic debates yeah they don't know hardly anything about Islam this is I'm talking about just regular some practicing people so I bumped into somebody at this event it was in a shape but maybe he considered he doesn't consider himself a sheikh but he may think he knows a certain amount of Islam first time I'm meeting this person and he starts having this discussion about I

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believe in this in Islam and I believe in the Quran and the Sunnah and I believe in each MA and I believe in he obviously knew about me and so I said okay that's interesting and he said well I believe that I said you know when you say each man what are what are we talking about he said like there's certain things which this whole Ummah has agreed upon and if anybody disagrees with them then they are a kaffir so I was like whoa I was like wow all right I

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like that stance straight away kaffir so below kufur we don't even that's the least that's the minimum benchmark we begin from Cathy so I said like like what what would you be you know as an example so he said like the hijab Allah he goes like the hair covering so he said for a woman to uncover her hair in front of a non Muharram this OMA has agreed upon this issue so the likes of Javed Hamid II

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from Pakistan who said that the hijab the head covering is not an obligation he said to me he is a mortal from them his words from the mortar Deen from the cough are people of religion how what they've done to this team yes Allah you know this that I came across this poem where he said taub mmm Kabhi Metamucil Mon Kobe kafir

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Kasdan Darth acaba they even declare Muslims to become a Kaffir Mahanama takaful kobe niihka forget it's like that we had the anyway in the poem is saying that way they kind of drink he says here we don't even call a cafe de cafe that's but anyway so this I said Wow I said you don't think that's a bit harsh to declare somebody like that just a tease a cafe he said no said anybody who disagrees with this is a Kaffir so I said okay what are they agreed upon

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he said that they've agreed that the woman cannot show any of her hair to a non Muharram so I said okay I said so what about imam malik when he said that a woman can uncover her hair in front of her slave so he said okay he said okay well exclude this part of this ruling so in front of slaves that's okay I said yeah but nobody else he said yeah okay but will exclude this part so I said okay I said what about

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the father-in-law what do you think about the father-in-law and the woman don't cover in front of the father-in-law so I he goes well no so I said well imam malik said she could uncover her hair in front of the father-in-law he goes well okay will exclude this as well that you know so she can cover in front of any other men or the slave or the father-in-law so I said so what do you think about the son-in-law I said because in my Malik said she can uncover the hair in front of the circle so he

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said well ok ok so we'll exclude the son-in-law I said don't you think it's gonna be easier if we just exclude him I'm Alec [Laughter] I said isn't that gonna just make life easier that we just haha what did he know anyway [Laughter] ridiculous you know people they don't know anything about Islam I'm telling

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you how they go on anyway trying to choke people out of Islam yes Salaam yes sir so I want to deal with some today I want to deal with today some issues - of some X Muslims some objections and criticisms that they've raised so I'll I'll go through that I've had some video sent to me and I've kind of watched him so I'm gonna discuss that in a while I'll go

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through Oh before that people all right fan mail no I got this you know there was I I had spoken about this previously there's a friend Facebook friend who'd sent me this he sent me a gift and he'd sent me this message and although I had thanked him and previously I didn't get to read his message so I thought you know I came across it just this weekend and I thought Subhan Allah I should have read that out and I'd like to kind of take the opportunity to read it out

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so just part of it anyway so he this is a message from Indra so the hoot-hoot sent a gift of I'm not sure if we're gonna pronounce it correctly from Indonesia who'd sent something a batik a batik I'm not sure how we pronounce it but it was a gift of a kind of cloth garment material but with that he'd sent this message and first of all being very grateful he said that look I can't think of any other way to thank you I know you said once on your Monday nights that we don't have to give you

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any gift unless it's in the hundreds of thousands of pounds no he never said that but he's saying but I just want to show my gratitude I want you to know that somewhere out there far away from Birmingham far away from the European continent there's at least one person who received a great benefit from your work whatever I do I won't be able to thank you enough I can only pray me a lot as Orajel pull you and your family and those close to your heart his endless Rama Baraka husana and nama in

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this dunya I won't waste your time with all my story I just want you to know that you saved me from becoming an ex convert yes not becoming an ex-muslim but from becoming an ex convert I converted then somewhere along the way I felt I felt tricked I started to think what kind of religion is this then I found you you made me understand you made me able to see the beauty of this theme you have a crazy sense of humor jokes and laughter keep it up that's all I can say and a huge thanks for Shaaban - that's Muhammad shaaban from Facebook

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who made this happen right so chisaka Allah so Indra Hey Ya Allah may Allah bless you seriously these words they touched my heart long live man long live may Allah bless you and your family it's really it's it is amazing - sometimes you know I when I'm going through messages I see some messages from people and they are they are incredibly deeply encouraging so I kind of you know because sometimes you think to yourself what is the point I don't mean in a bad way but sometimes

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you do think what is the point I mean it's not often but on on one of those days but then things like this really make it worthwhile so I think barik alaa week hi-yah Kamala may Allah keep you smiling forever happy alright so I'll take one two questions and then I'll focus on these objections and criticisms from some X Muslims including the objection that did Allah make a mistake in Surat

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Annisa of the Quran so oh this Indra on the raha so idolatry is that of a pedestal I'm not sure what that means Imran Khan should grant barik alaa week Hey Ya Kamala not allowed to marry Arab women other than met hubs why Arab men not allowed to marry Arab women in other method Arab men are allowed to marry non Arab women I don't understand what that

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means oh are you talking about the filthy position now some olam are in fifth came up with an understanding that in marriage they ought to be kathira which is like compatibility now what does compatibility what does compatibility mean they disagreed so Imam Malik said the compatibility was in being some people said it was in social status and then some people said it was in lineage and so if you're an Arab then a non-arab is somehow below you you I thought well that's obviously ridiculous and stupid

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[Laughter] below an Arab right so I don't know where that part of the Dean came from because the prophet in the quran is very clear on the fact that all we are all the children of adam and there is no difference between us so but you're right some and the hanafi madhhab does have that as well so it considers like the arabs better than the non Arabs and then it considers the Quraysh better than the rest of the Arabs and then it considers the I mean better than Croatian the Sayid's and say it does somehow very special

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because of all of this obviously to me all of that is needless to say mountains and imam malik of clearly denounced any of this stuff and said that the compatibility zoning in matters of dean that's it that's it i mean culture can have its own value i mean i'm not i'm not trying to say that culture and things like that are not important they are but it doesn't be little another person sure it doesn't mean you have to marry look people it's not like somebody people can have preferences that's not like degrading people like somebody

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could say i like people of a particular culture or maybe of their own culture or they like people of a particular ethnicity or the that's not to say belittle other people but if you start to say they are above or we are above other people then that's an islamic and wrong okay so as they've got an offer on iron roof okay thanks right so what else are we looking at let's take one two questions and then people we will start looking at some of

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these attacks on islam is cannabis haram and any intoxicant cannabis is not really an intoxicant it may be kind of like a relaxant it doesn't really intoxicating the way alcohol intoxicates in my understanding i've got a more detailed response on youtube you can watch that a cannabis and things like this are not a my understanding haram they are discouraged that to differentiate from the cannabis

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culture of drug dealing and all of that stuff is haram because that stuff is totally separate and involves a lot of involves crime involves just a whole dark world really I'm not talking about those things they are haram but I'm speaking about cannabis per se so if if it wasn't if it were not to be a matter of legality so in the UK I think right now there is some discussion about bringing in medical marijuana I believe the the Home Secretary signed off for an individual

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case where some British young person had gone to America I get got he came back and they tried to they seized whatever little medical marijuana he had and and then his health deteriorated and then he got a special license from the Home Office saying he can use marijuana now obviously you see once you do that it's a precedent now there's a discussion so legality aside I think it is the thing per se is not necessarily I mean it's not a I don't think it's necessarily a good thing but I think it's actually this is my understanding and I could be wrong I think in its pure sense not the

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one that's all laced with other chemicals I would imagine and I've never smoked I mean I don't smoke I don't smoke I have obviously everybody's probably smoked at some point in their life but I don't smoke I think as a teenager I tried with great effort to smoke but I could just never it just never settled with me I just never liked the taste so al hamdulillah sore last saved me right but the come in its pure form I think it would be less harmful than tobacco that's and I could be wrong but there's documentaries on Netflix and

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stuff like that that and on you know that which have research into that that said I think there's an interesting question if medical marijuana let's say comes in or in those parts of the world where actual marijuana like in America where it's sold in certain states like Colorado I think in other states I think it's really interesting that the law or to then look into all those criminal cases or those poor people that were in the past imprisoned or may still be in prison based on marijuana and yet now they

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allow corporations to do the same thing and earn millions that's just I think that's the kind of like the evil side of corporatism that we see today I think this is utterly unacceptable that that is the opposite of justice so I think that these things really you know they ought to be some kind of something about that anyway let's let's take a look at some of these questions is there any one to before we go with intoxication is

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when you're not aware exactly tell me about it I wouldn't recommend no neither would I recommend cannabis I don't recommend these things let me make that very clear I don't recommend but just because I don't like or I don't support or I don't doesn't mean God declared it Haram what I'm doing is differentiating between us and God not everything that we think is bad we have to rubber stamp

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it with God that's what I'm saying right the parting of the sea I want you know I want to go through that in great detail at some point all the the kind of miracles of Moses but the parting of the sea it's interesting took place as it seems that evidence seems to show they were generally three prominent kind of theories that we come across that explain the parting of the Red Sea I mean the first side question why do we call it the Red Sea should have been called the Red Sea but it seems it was the Red Sea because of the mount at the

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Gulf of Aqaba you get these kind of the red mountains and the reflection that they give off it actually makes it look red so that sea most likely that the Gulf of Aqaba is the Red Sea because there is the the Gulf of Suez as well and so there's some research into which was the point at which Moses crossed and it seems it was the Gulf of Aqaba and what you get sometimes are you get something called like like a an uptight caused by excessive wind pressure so if

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you look into the actual Bible now the Quran speaks very briefly of Moses and the sea being parted for him it's very just a few verses saying you know like go like they strike the sea and and and and then the Lord kind of parted the sea but in the Bible it goes into much more detail about it says that an Eastern wind blew the Lord blew from his nostrils and right and an Eastern wind blew all night over the over the Red Sea and the Lord pushed back through the

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entire night the Red Sea until it was up like a wall and you find that in the book of Exodus and in some of the other books now what you do get is oh I mean you get this up until now even like you get if you get a strong upstream wind coming from the Gulf of the AK of the Gulf of Aqaba it will push back the water depending on the pressure of the wind now what's interesting is if there was a hurricane and it has been documented so several historians and other people have documented when they've been present at the Gulf of Aqaba

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and there's been a hurricane and how it's actually pushed back for quite a quite excessively it's pushed back the entire water and it what it actually does is it pushes it and it actually raises the water the hurricane does it's not it doesn't like a wall quite astonishingly and and depending on so there's been a lot of research done in so if the wind for example the hurricane if it had winds of speeds of like let's say 80 miles per hour which is very reasonable

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it could have pushed the the Gulf of Aqaba the see that the kind of water they - anything between six seven eight hundred yards back it could have easily done that and it's interesting that when the wind stops how research will show and even actual events the water just gushes forth so it's it's interesting so that seems to be what had actually happened and it was a natural phenomenon but obviously we believe that Allah that God allowed these mechanisms to take place like that that's the difference

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okay so just to kind of clarify the other theories was were amongst them they were - one of a kind of tsunami that may have taken place around the Mediterranean or somewhere that under under water and that kind of but this looking into it it doesn't seem to hold the validity because the timings once again don't seem to to add up so well and the other is the volca of a volcano eruption of santorini that could have

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taken place and then that caused a certain kind of counter effect but once again the eruption of santorini the dates that we find today don't seem to tie in too well with what would most likely be the dates of the exodus so it seems after research that that is what I am content with that this is what happened and so and I would say that it's important that we do go with natural explanations because it seems very clear that this is what was

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happening and plus this makes the Dean very real for people okay because to say to people otherwise that no there were no natural it's just one date first of all that's not how it's described in the Bible definitely in the Bible it goes through much detail in saying that it took an entire night for the sea to part that overnight and that a wind from the east pushed forth and so on now which ties in very well with this with the Gulf of Aqaba because that's where the wind is actually it's kind of northeastern because the the ancient people just used

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four directions they never used to use the the middle directions so but because alternatively what we are saying to people like let's say today you take somebody like I don't know like let's say a poor child an innocent child suffering in in Palestine or somebody in Burma or somebody in Kashmir or somebody in any way where they could be some kind of like whether atrocities or whether they human or natural kind of suffering around the world and what we're saying

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to them in essence is oh today yeah God isn't going to do anything miraculous to save you but had a view been three thousand years ago one of a child from the Israelites then God would have bended the laws of nature to have made you know everything possible to have saved you but today God forbid like he will not do anything today you must look up to the United Nations or other kind of means to intervene and save you so

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this becomes a you see becomes also a cause for despair so it's important that we give the right narrative to people okay so that's could the Sea parting be folklore I don't believe it is I don't believe it is fault

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because it kind of if you look into how the description of just the exodus is given the kind of detail it gives is shockingly kind of upon experimentation valid even to the extent of where they went I mean if you believe it to be not the Sinai Peninsula but Northwest Arabia where that's where job Lepore was what is today doubled better um which was a volcano and you will see that along the way that that is where the median Midianite kind of people roamed even

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today archaeological findings of Midianite pottery is found thee the people of Midian where Moses was married into so he knew that that kind of region and he knew those people and it makes sense and you find you have findings the of of all of this so it does tie in it's not it's too too much to have just been totally made-up right so right people let's put that aside let's do comforts and need to get circumcised

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snip-snip oh I don't know about need but it's a general it's kind of emphasized mainly under under things like hygiene in Islam and a sense of a natural state this is what its kind of defined as a fitrah and the natural state because it ties in with hygiene that's I don't feel it's an obligation obligation that they you know if they don't do it but it is strongly recommended as long as there's

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no medical or physical reasons to prevent it Oh alaikum Salaam Amani allah wa sahlan hola hola who are the hadith rejecters I don't know who the Hadees project is all right so let's take a look at some of these stretch out people let's take a look at some of these objections we've had can I talk about halala halala making making people a Hallel alaya

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those of you that don't know is when a wife wants to remarry so some Muslims have come up with this misconstrued understanding of Islam that she must marry another man to go back with the first husband and it's nothing but a misrepresentation of the Quran and he must this this new husband must have the new husband must have sex with her I mean would it even be a marriage if there was no sex involved would it even

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be a halal it has to it can't just be halal it must be halal and forgiven it must be halal and good I don't know if that's that does that also depend on the quality of it the quality of the sexual encounter must also be good people evil people huh if if they were ever part time if they were ever jobs going like that we are looking for a halal a

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consultant everybody would that's where I would be my I mean yes of course I can what can I bring to this field well I have a portfolio of experience that may I share with you some of my DVDs this is many of my great oscar-nominated performances people and God if that was a job huh that would be like a dream job for guys wouldn't

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be like it and then the fake sincerity that would come with it it'd be like I only do this for the sake of Allah I don't know about you but I only do this with this the the worry of this online mind ah it's nonsense people I've got a more detailed video explaining look what the Turlock was really about and this halala

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thing is misconstrued and even if a person's given three talax look use the other rulings they are there for safeguarding you don't need to be saying people don't need to be going doing halal --is okay so unless of course I do get the job then I will be advertising of course do Hana people [Laughter] let's take a look at some of these questions man but you know in all honesty we don't do ourselves any favors

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do we as Muslims we really have damaged this deen beyond repair to some extent right so X Muslims all right people apostates now I'm only kidding am I everybody get your stones ready we're gonna stone the apostate I'm just joking any X Muslims watching this relax really

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hard or people tranquilo tranquilo right so that this is right so I've been sent certain videos now I do follow certain X Muslims so I do watch time to time certain videos from them and I try to learn about what all the concerns that Slim's have and and sometimes it's interesting for me because I won't know you know they might come up with a ruling that I might think oh wow I never really thought of that and I'll have to look into it so somebody's asking about male piercings yes they are allowed and

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you can watch my clip on that it's on youtube right but let's stay focused right so X Muslims or people who've left Islam known the word murdered do you think the word mortared just has that oh it has the oomph in it doesn't it murdered al murdered these Morton it just has that mmm what that means apostate yes somebody is abandon the

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faith but coming back being serious right okay so I do follow several X Muslims and I have kind of entire time to time being in touch with a few amongst them and always kind of respectful and I'm gonna be honest I actually have a very compassionate spot or a part in my heart a place in my heart a compassionate place in my heart for X Muslims and I've said before as well that look just leave ex-muslims alone just stop kind of trolling them

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stop kind of intimidating them threatening them stop abusing them just leave them alone and the reason I have this kind of spot is my or this place in my heart for them it's because I feel in many ways they are people who have maybe they truly grappled with religion not all of them but many amongst them I feel that they are people who actually thought deeply about religion and that was their outcome that they weren't content

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the Islam and and then I see sometimes the suffering they go through or the suffering they've been through and who are we to question because it's easy to you know sit back and chill but then when you see people that have actually gone through suffering it's you know like how can we like it's easy for me to say for example oh it's a test from God is a test from God but for the person who's actually undergoing you know like let's say you're some little boy who's

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been who's a Christian he's been repeatedly I don't know raped by the priests and stuff like this and whilst growing up and then always told you know like Cena hypocrisy you're the same thing with Muslims or all you've been or you've seen your family get abused or you've been abused or you've just felt loss upon loss and suffering and and like is kind I mean can we easily brush off that as just saying for them like oh it's a test I'm not saying it's not a

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test but what I'm saying is for the person to live that experience they encounter a certain amount of this B and who are we to kind of say anything about that like to you know it's like that slogan that was written in the in the death camps a by by the Jews in the Nazi death camps that if there is a God he must beg my forgiveness and you know people I want so people making like horrible statements about that and I thought but the brink which a

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human must have been driven you know to think into like nobody's there's no empathy here like people are not imagining what they're going they're just thinking why are you questioning God so really this is me and it still is my messy that look just have respect give these people space so that said I do follow some things to kind of learn what they're going through and and but I've had a few videos sent to me which I watched now I will highlight at this point at this point something about ex-muslims

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and I want to say it the same on the same kind of on the back of the flip side of that is look it's very understandable that when you face and I face a lot of hate online when you face a lot of hate it's easy to become quite reactionary and I kept you know the same could be said about me maybe I've mocked people I do things and which I you know I'm always turning things into a joke and stuff but I would say look and it's ironic that I iced I referred them to at least a message or this verse in the

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Quran that lagu Jerry Menachem Shanna a new home in a la Lata G Lu that's just the meaning of this well I know you don't they wouldn't accept the Quran but do not let the enmity between you and a people lead you to being unjust like just because I hate now I don't like people or I don't like a particular people don't let that bias me don't let it kind of prejudice my thought against them that I kind of turn away from being just an objective because there are there's many X Muslims who are very you know I think that they

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I think they have a lot of valid points in some of the things they say the concerns anyway they've raised but there's some who have just become so bitter so bitter and some atheists as well that they you know I I actually used to and I still I actually watch a lot of things from atheists I try to learn from what they're saying I try to understand their concerns I try to be objective I'm not saying I'm necessarily open-minded but I'd like to believe I am to some extent open-minded to acknowledging certain arguments and I've seen

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this happened to some atheists some like like people like Sam Harris who I think in the beginning was had very powerful cogent arguments and then I think in the last maybe two years or three it like became a bit like extremely bitter unfortunately against Muslims supporting like nuking Muslims or attacking the you know like things like and I'm not saying that certain X Muslims are going to that extent but I'm just saying that being weary of becoming bitter like don't let this even if you're smiling but from

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within that bitterness pours out you know there's a there's a poem that the that cool mathematical and Umrah in min holla cotton that what every person has like hidden within what in holla ha ha ha Allen a see Ptolemy that an even if he felt that it would be hidden from people it will still pour out that these inner emotions and that's from a jahiliyya pre-islamic poetry that this that the bitterness comes through in some of these videos and sometimes I watch like I watched one two of these

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and I'll be honest with you I as an open-minded person it was it was a bit difficult to kind of watch some of these because it was even though it was being said with a smile and is being said but there was a lot of kind of I could see a poisoned sense of like just trying to poison the listeners into a certain thing about Islam and don't get me wrong be very be fair I will try to be fair about some of these criticisms that have been raised but just be worried about that because you're not if you're not gonna be just you're betraying your own

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cause like you're betraying your own and this is gonna I can only imagine the reaction and I know people say well I don't care how people are gonna react but but if you're gonna be unjust in your thing and you're gonna maybe lie maybe unknowingly lie or unknowingly present false falsehood as false things as Islamic and then break them down then that that isn't the way to do things but okay I'll tackle some of these interesting questions one question I saw this was an important one he said that look why we don't know

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Islam to be true it's a some book person that said I don't we don't know Islam to be true like as in the truth so therefore I will only follow what I know to be true like the truth I want the truth goddamnit you know why is that you can't handle the truth but the thing is that this argument that we don't know with certainty Islam to be true that

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statement is accurate it is a faith but I will ask something I will ask something at this point and this by the way this message of mine is to all people is to X Muslims atheists is to Muslims it's to people of any faith and no faith when you say truth what does that mean what does truth mean and if you're gonna say I mean by that something that is absolutely categorically real in front of me like this is real corporal it's

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embodied as a reality I could take I'm gonna put aside all the philosophical discussions of like you know idealism and I don't like because that to me just sounds like you're trying to wow some listeners and you're not really being real and but there's all that you know non foundationally some arguments and all this about well that in itself is a belief and how do you prove that and so on which are very because I love philosophy but I'm gonna put that aside I'm not gonna even go at it from that angle at all not that I can't I can and I know those arguments become unanswerable to

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some extent but I want to be real with these I agree that religion as a whole car may not like is it can you prove it to be true like as in real you can't it's but just a story I accept but then I ask you and I want you to ponder over this that is not almost everything in our human world but a psychosocial construct is it not a story that we have in our minds like just be

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honest with me like is not let's take something like very fundamentalist human rights human rights is just a story we come up with it what makes you think a human has more rights than a chicken there's nothing what makes you think a human has more rights than a stone we chose that humans would there's no you know if you there's no and this like you well Harare kind of really stresses this point in his book sapiens as well that there's no real thing as human rights we've come up with them it's just a story they're not real they're not

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truths there's no such thing as like freedoms we've come up with them it's a story there's no such thing as money money is just a psychosocial narrative it's just a story that we have I'm just being honest it is a story race is a story nationality is a story governance is a story who said anybody has the right to rule over another person at all who said there is such thing as good or bad in this world it is a story human

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beings have come up with this story that who saves doing anything is bad or doing anything is good it is but just a story am I don't get me wrong I too agree with these stories I agree with these stories I'm not dismissing these stories I am with these stories but they are through the voice of reason they are just stories what's to say that look these are just discourses they are just narratives that human beings have come up with hence when Wittgenstein said that even if a lion could speak

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English you would never understand him and he could never understand you because what he was saying is you have your world is made up of social stories of constructs the concept of possession that this is my glass who said that it's just a story if I take it out of your hand is it now mine the Conte the the relationship relationships the institution of marriage it is just a story it doesn't really exist it's in the minds of people let's just be honest what is true if we

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want to be real this universe is it's it's it's it's it's silent soundless I mean it's odorless it since its zippy its its it's colorless its that's reality but that's I mean that could be argued at a different level that okay that's how we perceive things but I don't even want to go into that that's scientific but I don't even want to go there I'm speaking about stories is it not all a story and so religion too is a story I accept that but why is it that like just because you can't prove

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something to be corporal as in real in front of you tangible that it then doesn't hold that value of a reality because for people is money not real of course money is just a story we made up as human beings so this is even the understanding of right and wrong is a story we just made this story up and I'm with this story I mean who said that governments have a right to rule people who said that why do government did you opt in you know

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this social theory whether you want to go with Hobbes or other people like who who said who agree to this these are just stories that we as human beings came up with and yes I too and with these stories but what I'm trying to say is that none of these stories have a reality beyond our minds we have invented them maybe they are real some we'd like to believe they are I'd like to believe human rights is real

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I do believe it's reai believe as faith but in reality as a truth it doesn't exist so so this is so that so i want to answer that that's to people who say because religion isn't real it isn't true as in truth meaning something real that I can as evident and embodied kind of thing in front of me neither is most of the world as you know it my friend but just because you you've been deluded

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or you've accepted that it is and so my point is that that is not enough to dismiss religion yes it no don't get me wrong it's enough for you as a personal choice to dismiss religion I accept that but to say that all religion must be absurd because it is not no because the concept of absurdity is something we've just made up it's and this comes to us through reason so I just wanted to highlight that point and I'm not trying to this isn't a kind of cannon conundrum or a riddle I'm

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presenting to people I'm being very real and atheists have acknowledged this it isn't something I'm coming up with you read this in the book you it's amazing how people stress these factors like the book I gave as an example of doctor you've all her re or the Hariri or the people this is a known reality ok let's take a look at I'll move on to another contingent so I hope that some light on people saying I don't want to accept religion because it can't be proved as real that in itself that's fine as your choice but it's not enough

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to say all religion must be ridiculous because it can't be proved to be real because it is a psychosocial narrative but then so is almost everything that you value in this world try everything that you value because it's just a psychosocial narrative it's a part of an imaginative realm that we've come up with ideas right so okay next I want to focus on I was I looked at now somebody saying is there something universal as good now you see there is as part of this story do you understand that

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it depends how many layers we want to strip away if you want to go right down to the animal kingdom as we are just animals because we fundamentally are just creatures then what's to say I mean is is one animal killing another bad cruel evil is it I mean I for us we can now because we've got layers of society and these psychosocial narratives to say yes or no but how many layers do you want to strip away that's what I'm saying right so okay another video I took a

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look at and this was quite interesting this was to say that Allah made a mistake in the Quran this somebody saying about Jordan Peterson who's coming to Birmingham okay I've heard quite a bit about Jordan Peters and I've watched one two of these things and I liked one two of his things he leans in on psychology and stuff like this and but I don't know I am curious why Muslims have turned him into a sheikh he's like so rated by like Muslims and I'm surprised because I don't even think

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he really respects I don't think he really respects Islam much not that that's a problem but I'm just saying I'm seeing like hard line Muslims they really rate him so much like they share all his videos and everything just because he he kind of like let's say this is women order stuff like this you know this is them in an academic sense or something like this which don't get me wrong I'm all full sense of humor and all of that kind of stuff but uh but I'm surprised how he's taken a a llama status like Muslims think he's now the like all hard-core

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Muslim these hardline who would never share anything of other Muslims that are liberal that they call liberal but they share people's things who surprisingly wouldn't even like Islam we would see Islam as just just another form of bigotry but I'm surprised that they consider him a like to the extent that he was I heard invited to I think the the race event the reviving the Islamic spirit event and I think he declined oh I don't know but and I'm thinking well you've had non-muslims like no I'm Chomsky amongst us who you know they

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legends living legends who Muslims have unfortunately failed in taking great opportunity no benefit from and and yet they just because he you know this is things like I don't know homosexuality or women on a few occasions or I don't know like Muslims sometimes surprise me they baffle me don't get me wrong guy I some of the things I've watched I've watched too many things of Jordan Peterson or but some of the things I've watched they they were good I liked them but I'm just saying I'm surprised at the

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status that that these Muslims have given him right so now we've got there's a question or a criticism raised by some ex Muslims and some atheists that Allah made a mistake in surah nisa verse 95 now this verse is to do with those people who go out as part of the Muslim expedition to fight and this was now first of all I want to make it clear that you can investigate this is not for

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me you can investigate the serie of the Prophet the prophets battles are well documented and you can look at the authentic sources the Prophet himself during his lifetime all of the battles that the Prophet participated in were always as a reaction to a threat they were and that's not just me making that up that's actually they so they were whether the threat was that people had broken a treaty or that they were actually advancing or they were setting up or they had set up encampment and

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then the Muslims went out so just to clarify that point now there's a verse in the Quran that that Laius allah subhanaw taala speaks about that la Esther will carry Doudna mineral menina that that those who choose to sit and not participate in battle they are not equal to those who go out you know like the Mujahideen abhe I'm worried him Phu see him that those who go out and sacrifice even their lives or their wealth for the Lala Mujahideen ax Allah

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Idina da Raja that Allah has kind of raised those who go out and participate above those who choose to sit behind and not participate a kind of status and fatherland Allah speaks about in this verse of the Quran now there's a this several narrations now that have been highlighted that mainly come down to Baja Ignasi rodeo law on a companion and this story is a false story but I'm going to tell you the story first the story highlights that the Prophet when this verse was revealed and I'll go with the

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abu dawood narration which i think these people are mainly basing it on which has a lot of detail in it so the other ones are there as well but it's very descriptive in abroad and it not only Maktoum who is a blind companion is sitting behind the Prophet now people say whether his name was a MRIB nomic that's what he's commonly known as I'm ribbon or mimic - some people say it's I'm ribbon Abdul I've known if not only Martin either way he's a blind companion and he was sitting there and this verse was revealed now when it was revealed the verse said Laster Wilk I do know me know

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me Nina that those that these people are not equivalent to those who go out and participate in battle and then what what happened is as this is happening the Prophet said to xate that can somebody cools eight so they calls eight he comes in the Prophet says to him bring me a bone to write this verse on this bone or some kind of like aloe some kind of like a slate or something that

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we can write this on and he says okay now waltz this is happening sorry just one moment bringing this up right so whilst this is happening if normally Maktoum says ya rasulallah what about me because i would go out on jihad i would participate what I'm blind so then what happens is the Prophet sits down and he says wait and there's more revelation coming and in this revelation

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now the same verses reveal except it has a clause in this so now the verse is revealed again rightthey and the verse then says liest the wealth I do nominal money nina raedo only adorab except those who have some kind of disability well Mujahideen a FISA bill Allah and those who go out being worldly one in football alone Mujahideen a bear Molly moan for similar pie Nadja what cool Lenoir the law hustling all Allah has promised good to follow Mujahideen ll cadena Arjuna Thema although Allah has definitely graced those who go out and fight more now the

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thing is that here they said well obviously a lot or to know that there's a blind person sitting there so Allah or to reveal this verse in its entirety why reveal it like this now that's a good objection if this be true now this narration by the way which is mainly based on a variety rhodiola on there are some other narrations from some other but this is the main one and there's at least almost sixteen transmissions of this in books like Bihari Muslim Atma that they're me tell me the move these kind of books now all

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of them seem to come through one narrator they come through a voice hawk a CBI whose name is am ribbon abdullah al kufan Hamdani now abu is hard-ass a bi in most of these narrations declares these as unlike he doesn't say that he actually heard now in some he does say but in so many he's saying he didn't but this person himself Abu is har Casa bi he has been problematized by people he is a well he's by the way an excessive narrator he's one of the major ports he's like a powerhouse of narrations

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he's like Zoe in that sense although he's a teacher of Zoe's from Kufa but he is like Zoe in in excessive transmission of hadith now even he burned Shah Baba behalf even Hajj or said he was known for that lease like these are amongst the scholars that have said that another thing other scholars like a boozer i'm am ahmed even Hodja they all accept that his memory messed up not only did it mess up but he started to mix things up that act a lot what they call now some people try to say no because the same body and Muslim combined have about I think 30 I think

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is it 38 narrations or 30 something Asians of his but and you have a transmission from Mira who says that an imam ahmed transmits this as Waldemar after the Haditha ali Kufa that the hadeeth of eyelid Kufa was not ruined except by two people one L at mush and then Abu is Huck a severe ie so when sixteen narrations are coming through this person and he lived to almost be a hundred years old you can see how old he was so this is the source of the problem and some people may say

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well and the Abu Dawood what about some of the other narrations that come through some other people like the Abu Dawood one I narrated first comes to Abdul Rahman if Naveed zina who is weak is weak I mean if the mockery isidori these people clearly say is dying and likewise there are some other scattered narrations coming through even a hub once again who is problematic with at least saying on and there's some through even at your age who is massively problematic with at least you see the issue is people these hadith are not established now we've got this two ways these two elements I wanna highlight

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here one is that yes we ourselves haven't done justice to Islam and that is the reality because we have allowed these narrations to go unfiltered we have allowed them into these books because Muslims were so busy they get getting caught up in sectarianism that they allowed these things to come through that said the other element is that these things are not authentic and neither was that even if you look at the texts neither was that the style or the

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general approach of the Prophet the Prophet generally did not used to hey a versus coming down quickly somebody go get me a bone to write this on this was not how the Prophet used to do things now I mean generally the Prophet would address people especially if it was a verse like this speaking about trying to encourage people to to go with this if there was a military expedition then the profit would have been telling people that people gathered together Allah in many occasions the Prophet would go to the mosque he would gather people in other places he would kind of whoever was around him he would gather them say this has this is the verse

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rather than the first thing he says is quickly go get me a Fenny somebody find me a bone to write this on this is not how the Prophet you saw even the actual context of what is describing the Prophet is something that the Prophet didn't used to do it so this that shows the oddity about it then this and neither did the Prophet used to hasten to write down verses this this let alone find a bone and stuff like this right so that problem and then that how does this actually reach us it reaches us through

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problematic chains okay but then yes we are part of the problem that we have kind of deified given this divine status to anything in Buhari right so so okay so I wanted to answer that thing then there were some other objections I want to go through these there was this whole video of an ex-muslim highlighting an ex Muslim girl highlighting all the reasons she left Islam

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oh I mean maybe there were more as well but in this video anyway nonetheless she highlights a lot of reasons that led her to this understanding and I will try to be as objective as possible in responding to those I was asked to kind of look at that and respond so I did watch it and I won't lie it was a it's it's interesting to kind of sometimes watch these things it was if I'm gonna be honest I don't like it not because of the person leaving Islam but the way it was kind of presented and I've read some of the comments as well

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and people some people had highlight as well that why why this why mislead people I've maybe unknowingly but nevertheless right so this person highlights and I think there's a lot of genuine concerns here and I'd like to address them there were certain things that this person was highlighting this ex-muslim that were just false and this is the problem that why I don't know whether that was because of a lack of knowledge if that was because of a lack of knowledge then I think you shouldn't just delve into these areas if you don't know you should just say look I don't know some people have said this some people have but to present it as though

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it's true like I mean absolutely fabricated hadith like clearly I'm not even talking about the ones that I normally critique but just outright fabricated hadith using them and then saying oh by the way people say that's not a thing but this I don't know I I don't I found that a bit painful to watch if I'm gonna be honest because obviously look to Muslims and I accept that you have the right to be critical of Islam and you can criticize whoever because you don't believe in them but I would ask sometimes that look when it comes to people like the Prophet or things like I mean this is just a humble request and you don't need to listen to this Veni X

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Muslims are watching this and they don't look you don't need to listen to me right obviously that's obvious but I would just just from Maya a little request that look when you speak about the prophet muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam look he is the most dear like he's the most dear person to me to an incredible portion of humanity alive today now I understand that you are bitter and or upset about Islam and

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maybe certain things that have come to you and traumatic experiences and things but I would just this is just my humble advice and you don't need to take this but look please just show a certain amount of respect if that's possible you know I this bin peek at all you know it's my request you don't need to accept it but I would say look please because it's painful for people to watch that who obviously really respect and they the profit to them is really incredibly dear and at the end of the day you you're saying things and I understand you're

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gonna say well you know well why did the Prophet do this but the question is gonna come - well do you didn't even know that he did that like a question of epistemology like how do you know that that actually happened so I would just say look either be objective be fair and if possible please show a bit of respect if you can if you don't you don't need to you might hear this and say you know get lost fair enough gel by awoka-woka you know but I that's my humble request especially when you're speaking about the Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu I leave

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something because I can imagine a lot of people unnecessarily it's gonna enrage a lot of and not that not that that's what you're gonna do like I'm not saying that you need to kind of be intimidated or things like this no because I condemn any people abusing or trolling X Muslims but I just feel that just out of courtesy courtesy yeah just a you know that human human compassion man it's a you know it's a narrative that so many you know countless a huge portion of

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humanity holds so dear to them yeah so even some like me watching this I even felt I had I won't lie to you I had to even stop it on a few occasions think wow I just thought you know like like I was I was really I won't lie I was actually hurt watching it but but you have the right to be critical and I would never say that you don't have the right to be critical even if you want to be critical of the Prophet because you're not a Muslim you have that right and the Prophet himself people swore at him they attacked him they did many things and he

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he responded with compassion so it's from his message I mean you have the right to do that but I would just say if possible a little tiny request from a nobody okay so some of these issues let's take a look at now first of all there were some 50 issues that were raised now these 50 issues what they were tiny things but I'll just go through some of them briefly like this girl highlighted that things like plucking eyebrows why do Muslims have an issue with this

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rulings against women and I agree with that I agree with what she's saying she has a valid point why do Muslims have an issue with plucking eyebrows and that hadith as I've highlighted it doesn't stand like that and the Maliki and other olam are clearly highlighted a woman can pluck her eyebrows she can do that this is misconstrued this was simply speaking it was advised to a mourning period as a preventative measure a woman who was going through mourning as in to mourn the dead her husband as a widow at during that Eid their period she should just refrain because it may cause

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certain social class and like like if people are seeing like here's a widow but she's too busy kind of like involved in makeup and all this kind of stuff and it even it's not that it's Haram per se but it may cause people because people are so tender with a loss and they may think what the hell is wrong with her you know her husband's just died and she's too busy trying to do and people may react and it's to safeguard her first and foremost because people are so sensitive at that stage they may say oh are you just so glad he died and and this happens around the world by the way due to people's ignorance so so I agree

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that these things shouldn't be Haram and I don't believe them to be Haram and I've got videos on that and so there were things like music wise music declared Haram and I agree that music is not her so she has a very valid point here that why did Muslims kind of declare music around there isn't a single sahih hadith to say that music is Haram okay there isn't nothing to to kind of declare Haram and I've got a video on that just to clarify and to be fish she kind of acknowledged this X Muslim that look there are some Muslims who say

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it isn't and stuff like this and then she she went on about the hijab a bit as an issue and I can understand that that does but you know this once again this is something which if we're going to be honest there is a distinction between what Allah and His Messenger have said and what evolved as Islamic jurisprudence Islamic laws Islamic morality or Islamic customs is a better word now it is true that most Muslim customs do see the head covering as an obligation

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although can that be questioned yes and it has been questioned by several orlimar because there is nothing conclusive in the Quran or the Sunna that actually says a woman must cover here there's nothing conclusive this like the verse in the Quran can allude to it like no it doesn't like you can infer from the verse but it doesn't state that women need to have head coverings because it says that they use their Hummer which is the head cloth to cover their bosoms the kind of chest area now the question is does that mean

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you must have a head scarf so now you're inferring so it's like saying if I said right guys okay this is a dangerous let's just say I said this is a dangerous area I want you all to use your sleeves cover your watches with your sleeves so if somebody says okay I'm gonna cover my watch with my sleeve does this mean it's necessary for all of us to be wearing a sleeved shirt now that becomes a than a discussion but yes by and large most people not all but most people there has been some differences along the way and hence Imam

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Malik kind of showing some distinction and some people showing other rulings but generally by and large that ruling has come down and people have questioned it today people like Harley double father from the state or from Canada I believe he is shave Java Carmody and other scholars around the world have issued rulings that head-covering is not an obligation but modesty is the obligation but okay this was a point that she mentioned that why he German and I think this is like I said the main

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thing in Islam was about modesty right so okay right now so then she highlighted some questions about witness testimony now I think this right so this somebody is highlighted there that I shouldn't mock I shouldn't mock Hindu gods then I died I honestly do not know

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if I've ever mocked I don't know I can't recall mocking a Hindu god per se but I've mocked concepts you see now there's a difference between a concept and a person like so I've usually when I've spoken of people like Shriram I've actually said Shriram I've said Ram ji I've said things like this Shri Krishna and I've not been disrespectful to them per se but and I've actually believed them to be I've been very good people and amazing people maybe prophets in their time but but the concept of can

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they be a God with a an elephant head or can like chopping off and replacing a head with an elephant it's counter reason so there's a concept and there's a person that's different to I now come to the incidence later of what some of these mocking incidents were about the Prophet Mohammed right so okay now witnesses and I can women test female testimony equaling equating to half of that of a man I've mentioned before first of all that this has is a misunderstanding okay people like Sofia ignore Elena and other people did say that that verse of the Koran did

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not mean about her forgetting forgetting that and this was to do with intimidation yes many schools of lore did form to say well we won't accept women testimony in this but we will in that and they all disagree by the way the one she quoted saying that they they don't accept women testimony in anything I think she was pretty much quoting the chef at a school because the other schools do accept women testimony to the extent that I thought nubira ba the great scholar of maca and the student of it not past he unequivocally said very clearly in his school that a female

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testimony is is in every single thing categorically there is no dispute about that he said and even hasn't further induced aa right so now a warrant right what I'm trying to show is that look there is a difference between what opinions become standardized along the way so you have narratives in early Islam and then as the centuries kind of unfold and Islamic kind of this institutionalization takes place culture forms certain views become more

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standardized and I accept that and that is a shortcoming on Muslims that we haven't challenged these things but did Islam hold the answer to this yes it did in early Islam many people said that's not true that a female testimony is exactly the same as a man's but that was because in money they were more likely to be intimidated and hence many like Imam Malik he saw that intimidation in things like murder as well like because if a person was going to be killed as a

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kind of consequence for murder there was a greater chance of him intimidating the women of his age so this even today if in any part of the world women are more likely to be intimidated in a certain thing then let it be grouped because it's less likely to group 4 group intimidation not because of them per se that them per se or equal that this is one of the Haditha almot me noona the baboon olya about that you know even the verse of the Quran you are just like you some like

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the others that Chicago Rochelle the Inman massage cordial they are the equal counterparts of men women are that is Asahi hadith as well so the point is that these hadith are they these rulings are they so we do have this in our tradition that says no they are equal and this was only this was wherever there is a safeguarding measure which was most likely at that time in wealth and commonly in things to do with murder and stuff like that but otherwise if that's not the case today then one woman is exactly the same as one man okay so I'm just clarifying okay the other thing

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she she highlighted was about her dude capital punishments and I have highlighted before I've got a video on YouTube saying that look many will remark did challenge that they said that the Sharia came with objectives for its day and age that the rulings were only a social remedy Islam never invented any of the punishments these were punishments that the Arabs were already practicing and they were practicing slightly not slightly more than that so they weren't just cutting off one hand they would cut off two hands or feet as well so what Islam did was it used their punishments and just curtailed II and

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gave a parameter people challenged that later on Imam Abu possum Albert zuly who over six hundred years ago the Maliki legend of his time he said that the rulings in his day and age the culture had changed the understandings of ethics had changed so rulings would be financial penalties in his day and age they won't be stoning people this was unacceptable the the king even took up his ruling the it was the the area not the Maghrib had his ruling implemented for and this went on I mean we read in between it fluctuated depending on who was in power but for centuries with many scholars

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supporting it in the east you had the famous Ottoman King the Caliph the sultan suleiman al communiy Solomon the Magnificent you know this great Solomon the Ottoman Sultan one why do they call him Carney the legalist because he refined Islamic law and what did he do he said that the ethics have changed and he replaced all the who do these capital punishments with with financial penalties and imprisonment this is in our history I'm not making this stuff up so yes this each they had this ruling has been B but yes you are right as well

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that we Muslims have failed ourselves in not critiquing and allowing this kind of other narrative to become such a prevalent voice so I accept that look we in a way we've kind of let ourselves down but did Islam have the answer yes it did it had this answer and it was even this was implemented at a statutory level of the Ottomans I mean Solomon he's seen as huge Solomon you know Carney was like Cena amongst the the pioneers of the Ottoman Caliphate and so

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on early on as well so this isn't right so another issue that was raised was one of polygamy now why did Islam allow men to have multiple wives look this X Muslim also she said that I love science I mean she loves science I love science - but I'm just saying she said that during nothing you know I find it fascinating that when it comes to the discussion of polygamy one thing people no longer look at is science I series

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and by polygamy I mean multiple partners not necessarily just marriage which is an imaginative reality marriage is just a mental institution that we've you know it's in our minds that this institution of marriage you see the interesting thing is right throughout nature the male species are almost always almost not every single species but are almost always polygamous they that is just the nature of human beings like we've got to understand that monogamy amongst humans is a social

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construct that we have come with hence and I don't mean to sound like a pessimist but hence all most modern relationships within three to five years collapse now I'm not saying I'm not supporting these modern relationships in that but what I'm trying to say is Islam was just going in line with what is our if we're gonna be honest human nature like why is it that on some things we want to be very scientific and be real but on other things we don't we say we just push science aside science will tell you I mean this is you have to see

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that this is just species and creatures are just like that and human beings are just creatures too now yes polygamy has huge problems with it as well and I'm not denying that it doesn't have problems so does monogamy have problems so does any relationship have problems but if this was consensual if the there was a culture what's to say that's so inferior why are people I'm just saying why are people so you know it's okay to be it's okay to be homosexual which I'm saying fine be homosexual it's okay to be transgender and I'm saying fine be transgender but why is he evil to have

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multiple partners oh it's okay to have an open relationship here you know it's okay to be a swing and I'm saying be that but why is it that it's evil when Islam says that you can have like where's the consistency that's what I'm asking and this ultimately is just human nature at least Islam didn't just like his long applied rules now one could argue that do people live up to the rules and I would agree with you I would agree actually agree with you that I think especially in the modern context most polygamous relationships will beyond maybe that

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kind of buzz phase will be probably disastrous they may be I would probably agree with you that they would be like a migraine level of a headache and I'm with you on these things agreeing with you but I think it's unfair its bias to just say evil evil evil Islam why did it allow polygamy this was a social way of living but well what's wrong with I mean people do that all the time I mean even today most most let's face it there was a really good actually a brief clip I saw on on YouTube about sex-starved relationships

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and one of the key things factors mentioned in most divorces in the Western world is actually showing statistics is just a lack of sex and and I'm not saying that this has to that's a whole discussion in itself but what I'm trying to say is people that in fact in psychology because the ex-muslim said they're really intrigued by psychology is what they call the Coolidge effect at the moment that this is just how it's unfortune men we're doomed but men are just always attracted to it and I don't just mean attracted like the way women

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are attracted women are attracted to men which men we don't seem to understand why women are attracted to us that's just an enigma that to me is the proof of God why do women find men attractive either I've got no idea but generally men are attracted to women in the total histep I mean it's if I was to explain how you guys would never have you any man in that light again you'd be

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like but it's true they kind of like be sorted like by it and it's inexplicable they they can't even I mean that doesn't mean that men don't have a level of responsibility they do of of their actions of course they do but we're just being real that the way the male brain reacts to females and people say well that's socialized they say that's a like it was learned behavior learnt behavior but that's not true because because people say well to look at the female body this is learnt behavior and women haven't been learnt socialized to look

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at men like that but then you find research on gay men gay men will look at men in that same way so once again something that many of us may not understand but they will research shows that they will look at men in that one that wasn't socialized so it shows it's actually in the brain it's how the brain operates but my point is look I agree that where things are being done wrong unethically that's true but why just cast it and brawn Brandi as evil because it's from Islam but you don't cast like open relationships as like evil and and

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I wouldn't I'm just saying people to their lifestyles you know everybody to their own be in their own way of life so right so I think some feminists may not be happy with but by the way I somebody actually questioned they said the other day about me and I'm quite intrigued actually because I they generally when it comes to women's rights I'm a lot for that I'm totally in favor of all of that and I'll be in line fighting that fight but when it comes to this man-hating culture obviously I'm not going to be a

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part I think like Horan is wrong with that said I totally am opposed to any kind of misogyny unless it's in humor jokes I think should be unlimited anybody who wants to place caps on jokes I think imprison that person humor should have no bounds in my in my understanding but beyond that in the real world in practice misogyny all these things are utterly unacceptable I'm just making that very clear okay

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right okay right let's move on to some serious things that so this X Muslim highlighted that the prophets Murrow had a sex slave Maria her name was Mari actually not Maria but I mean that anyway that's irrelevant Mariela Thea and it's not Mary because Mary's Miriam this is Marya right so but the point here more importantly I've highlighted in the past that we the Muslims we the general Muslims have I feel disrespected our prophet in this transmission because many people

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highlighted including Muhammad even Isabella of Medina the student of Imam Malik one of the most earliest historians that we have who wrote about Medina who wrote he as a book as virgin to be the wives of the Prophet he's a student of Imam Malik he highlights that Maria al qadir was a wife of the Prophet so we need to stop this seriously and I've got a video on this previously that she was a wife of the Prophet she was not a sex slave salallahu alayhi wa sallam and Rohde allah on her and yes she lived in the hourly she lived on the outskirts of medina

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but that's big many companions lived in the outskirts of midi india well he wasn't actually that far because medina today's massive medina in the prophet's time was just the size of his mosque today almost so Maria lived there and yes she wasn't her Arabic wouldn't have been on point and stuff like this she was a non Arab hence maybe people didn't mingle with her so much because communication barriers so and the way this person described that you know the Prophet Muhammad thought oh wow we got myself a hottie and I got myself a beautiful kind of you know I just none of these things I've ever liked I'm not saying she wasn't beautiful I'm sure she

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was beautiful but what I'm trying to say is don't but none of this was none of this is said in any of the transcript known as like why just I understand you're just trying to belittle the profit by like making these kind of statements but they're not true and then a story she mentioned that one day Hafsah the wife of the Prophet had gone some way and the Prophet invited said to Maurya I know why don't you come to her house early a room you know she had these quarters yeah why do you come there and on her bed they had sex and then Huff's I came back and she found out and this is why the

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verse of the Quran was revealed what nonsense what nonsense that is absolutely fabricated bring a single Haddy like whoa oh where are you getting this from and then she said well look I accept that some Muslims may say it wasn't about this but but really come on would you get angry over anything else as a woman like look why are you projecting like a whole narrative when you don't have a sufficient like come on like like like what I'm trying to say is you this is weakening your whole case by

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presenting false narratives this incident did not happen like even the incident that you're trying to go by didn't have this story of like so there's one incident that the Prophet went to Marya and some people some of the wives tried to say well mmm you know when he comes here we'll kind of he used to drink this honey when he was there so they knew and and they said that they kind of like tried to say Oh pull him off and stuff like this even that is weak but even that story doesn't mention anything about Mario being brought into half stars house and having sex on her bed and stuff like this this is absolutely fabricated like so

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please please like I mean be at least be objective then there were things about Aisha being 6 or 7 years old and I've highlighted this before Aisha was not 6 or 7 years old and I've got a detailed video to highlight that so please do check that she was an adult at the time she was most likely anything in hell late teens I mean I've said she could have the ages to be specific is difficult but we know from how she participated in battles were people younger than 15 for example weren't allowed to go and stuff like this would have put her age at a certain timeline I've said anything at the time

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could have been from 1718 - some people say maybe 20 want anything between that range the Arabs never weren't specific on keeping dates but uh she was most certainly an adult and then another fabricated incident and I was I won't lie because this was so fabricated I was very offended to hear this I'd like to say that well because I sure was a child the Prophet got her and masturbated between her legs um this was because she was a child and that disgusted me because look what and then she said what people might say oh this ain't true but

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you know and I like I thought it is very because these are like you're presenting an incident as though it happened and this is utterly fabrica I mean this is just this isn't like oh this is in this book of Tirmidhi and we're just disputing the chain this is utterly fabricated like you're just bringing in a utterly fabricated incident so the listeners have discussed and then you're gonna say well okay maybe it's not true but it's too late because you've created a visual image in in in the minds of the

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listeners and then so this is what I mean by trying to be objective I found that like just I don't know if that was done subconsciously you're not really thinking about it but if I'm gonna be honest I found that I agree I saw this comment is well I agree that that is no different to what extremists do in their own way they just present a narrative and maybe they're some of them are doing it naively to kind of poison the mind of people with imagery and then to say well maybe it isn't you know it's like if I say if I used an esteemed figure like I said well you know like Nelson Mandela I

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don't know I could use somebody as that everybody looks up to and I say oh well you know on this one day what he did sexually to little boy and and I go into visual imagery I said well he had all these kind of sex toys and and I use all these I don't know handcuffs I get creative with my imagination and then I I give this whole image and then I say oh by the way that probably didn't happen but that's not like come on you can't do that like that's like now you've created an image of disgust in the minds of the viewers and then you've

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said oh well you know this this may have not just happened I just probably said that so things like this were very disappointing but other concerns okay fine yes once again the part of this blame comes back on us Muslims right so who are we talking about right okay so part part of the blame comes back on Muslims why we keep pushing a narrative that Aisha was just a child when she was not

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a child she was not a child people I'm not just saying this look at the evidence and I want to say something here that this ex Muslim raised a concern that oh is this because this narrative doesn't sound nice is that why you're pushing that aside by basically are you ignoring the other narrative because it doesn't sound nice and and you want to say that she was an adult because it sounds nice well of course of course and it's authentic you see you're saying oh are you only dispelling this because it doesn't sound right well of course it

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doesn't sound right and then that makes us reexamine and then you're gonna say well why don't you show all the things that but look going back to the stories why is it that you like what I'm trying to say is when you have different narratives it's okay for you to select narratives like in life like if we're going to go back to the narrative story everything is a story the institution of marriage is a story but it's okay for you to select that narrative and the narrative of let's say monogamy and we're gonna have one relationship over the others because it sounds nice to you even though factually is probably not true in as far as creatures are

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concerned in general but it sounds nice it's okay for you to support the narrative and I do as well of human rights because it sounds nice now well of course so Muslims want to or at least those with reason amongst us want to believe in the narrative that already exists in the early sources that yes that sounds right and we want to push something aside that doesn't sound right but what's wrong with that and there was another weird criticism that what that the ex Muslim said that look I found many non-muslims don't know about this

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evil stuff in the past and they don't know about this so I was a big I was a bit confused here that well when you're saying they don't know obviously a lot of these things some of them are just falsely inaccurate I mean they're just inaccurate they're just false but some of them may be in the books are you trying to say that okay so these Muslims know it and believe a version of Islam that is actually better than what may be found in some literature then I'm just asking what is the problem because if they what they don't believe because the problem is that people believe weird stuff now if they don't believe that

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then what is the problem the fact that exists now somebody may say there was something about the the wife-beating verse and I have explained that I've got a whole explanation that that was abrogated now they may say well why still have these things in the Quran yeah but that is part of the Quran there are many abrogated verses in the Quran is to show how things evolved is to show how rulings developed it's to show that even if you're going to look at the American for example Constitution they can have abrogated things in the now you're gonna say well why don't you remove them altogether and somebody may say well why and you may say well

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somebody could mistreat misconstrue part of the Quran and it's true they can miss Khan subha the quran like Isis have other groups have extremists have misconstrued part of the Quran that is true so you may ask for why don't we remove that from the Quran and that is a legitimate concern but I will ask you I will answer that by saying but do we not get the Bush administration misconstrued the bill of rights it misconstrued the American Constitution to to torture people did it not do that did it not do people not today misconstrued freedom of speech to be racist should we get it do away with

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freedom of speech I mean should like what I'm trying to say is yes the the proof is in the pudding there it's not that it's just like 10 miss Muslims throughout the world Muslims represent a significant proportion and you yourself will say yes most Muslims in the world are not like this that is the proof most human beings do not distort freedoms but some will so yes this is part and parcel of the Quran it may lead a few people to misconstruing it but the vast majority of Muslim of Muslims have not

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misconstrued it and yes we need to work harder we as Muslims need to work harder in trying to filter what and brush away these cobwebs and filter these weird opinions I I accept I take that blame upon ourselves and I accept that to be a legitimate concern and I'm not into these kind of weird apologetics I accept that certain verses or unmeant certain things and they were abrogated so just being clear on that there was another point about wars that what Islam was

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spread by the sword that is false in that understanding ok yes there were wars during the prophet's lifetime the ex-muslim said couldn't the prophet think of any other ways than war and of course he did and the Prophet did not initiate those Wars unless the one or two that you can think out of the general nine that are highlighted the vast majority of all the wars the profit participated in word offensive and that's just you can just read Sierra I'm not making that up so the one or two like that's what the Tabuk were pre-emptive because of the Roman settlements and things like this now what I'm trying to say here is that

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look when you look at this question sorry could the Prophet not think of something of course he could though it's in our tradition the Prophet actually wrote letters he wrote to her Raquel he wrote to this is in Buhari it's in these other books he wrote letters he did do this he sent emissaries he sent convoys he sent people and she said that there was this general understanding that Muslims were ever they would go they would say we give you three options and we're gonna kill you in the profit did this it is not proven that the Prophet ever did that there are hadith and that those hadith have problems right they are happy and they have problems the popular Wars of the Prophet are well

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known and none of them had that incident yes can we argue about Muslim history yes I mean I'm not saying throughout Muslim history did this ever happen of course look human history Muslim non-muslim it doesn't matter whether you're Muslim people there's been good and bad in all people so yes human beings are obsessed with power and yes many Muslims have conquered but many Muslims have conquered peacefully too many Liberation's have taken place in fact the conquest of the Iberian Peninsula Muslim Spain most of it was not done through warfare it was just done through

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treaties because there was no way they could have conquered within like a month an entire Peninsula no way a small span of people a small number of people no way they could have conquered and taken down the Visigoths or the remnants of the Visigoths and the Romans and within a number of weeks no impossible and that too in a landscape that they are aliens and foreigners too they don't even know they themselves historians say there were just treaties because of how poorly those Christians were being treated by the Romans and by the by the rule is that they chose that well at least with Muslims we've got more Liberty so look

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be fear yes there have been some Muslims who have done atrocious things I'm not gonna deny that but that's not fair to put that blame on the religion as a whole I'm just saying it's not fair to do that it's like saying you know just because Christians have had a hatred for Jews which they still do Christians have a hatred for Jews which for centuries they've been kind of it's been dogmatically taught to them because the Jews killed Jesus Christ now Hitler if anything being a Christian could easily spread this narrative of the Nazis of hating Jews because Christians for centuries have had a

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hatred for Jews but it's not fair to put that back on to Jesus now I'm just saying it's not and I know that analogy may not completely fit but it what it does in part so the wars it's not true if you're gonna be objective not with the prophets lifetime and some places Wars did take place and yes I'm not saying some part of Islam as a conquest may may have happened by by the sword but other parts huge parts did not so so that's a divorce was something that was brought up and I want to say I think that's a valid concern that the ex Muslim had that divorce is a chaos

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there's chaotic schemes or measures within Muslim and Jewish prudence true I think the way the Muslim culture is that we eat is a nightmare she said that the man can just pronounce divorce whereas a woman has to seek a divorce and that that is kind of true now in most cases whenever a man pronounces divorce it is almost always a nightmare almost always the amount now honestly I've probably in my time seen thousands spoken to thousands over the years like maybe the last decade at least thousands of people

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about divorce I've spoken to it is almost always a nightmare yes thick can work towards with each thehad borrowing and preventing that I believe it can it has the mechanisms and today several councils several boards in in several parts of the Muslim Muslim world like even in Pakistan recently there's been discussions in India this whole three triple talaq thing and in other parts of the world a regular talk is seen null and void but the problem is the Muslim culture hasn't caught up with that and it is a difficult arduous task I do agree with

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that but at the same time I feel that there is it's not that Islam doesn't have the scope to deal with it but Muslims have to catch up and we're playing catch-up that's the problem most Muslims yet are not accepting things like that just because of the way things are but that doesn't mean the religion doesn't have scope to say well can't a kind of man's verbal thalaaq be banned I believe it can with each the heart and much of this HD ad has already been done and that ruling has already been given but it hasn't caught up now to say well a woman needs to go to a man

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and ask this man scholar for a divorce look that prejudice language because look any functioning well functioning Sharia Council not these redundant ones but any functioning Islamic council will grant a bülach I mean generally between anything two three to six months and generally like can be done within three months now you could say and this is this is this is no not I mean you can actually research this yourself and don't just take my word for it on average their procedures take about three months now you may say even if it stretched out six months that is still

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faster than any Civil Procedure here a Civil Procedure here for a decree absolute in divorce on average takes one year to two years and that's also a man you know like I must go to a man to ask him to end my relationship with your outcry for towards civil civil divorce in the West in the UK I can speak about is atrocious it's a nightmare why must I pay somebody thousands of pounds and take two years to tell me that I can end a relationship why

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like that's ridiculous it's absurd now you could say well true but you could say well here both the man and the woman must do that so that's the only problem like I'm just saying the only problem here isn't the system but it's okay why must okay women go through a system that takes let's say three months or four months maximum like up to six months in certain places and men may not necessarily need to do that that could be improvised according to Islamic law but it hasn't caught up yet but here men and women must equally suffer for one and a half year so that system is okay

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because they're both suffering like I'm just saying shouldn't we be calling to the abolishment of all the abolition of all these atrocities that's ridiculous that modern divorce system is stupid I honestly I totally find it absurd that why a court must tell a person you can now end this relationship in 2018 but yet there's no outcry towards this that's all okay we'll go to a man or even why must a man or a woman have the right to tell me who I can and cannot have a relationship with its 2018 for

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God's sake and to say now I can end my relationship get lost I can end it when I want you know this okay you could say well sure well I'm just saying like I agree but there's a double standards there's a double standards here that's what I'm saying there doesn't seem to be no outcry towards the common issue what we're facing here about a civil divorce right and that is triple the time frame of an Islamic thalaaq by any spy any measure in a functioning Islamic sharia council

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so I'm just saying that but I do agree I agree that they look some arguments are sustained we must be fair that the man are trained at a lock like this I actually would rule if I had obviously my ruling is that we would go with each they had two outlaws and it should be a process and both should be equal anything ranging about three months something like that maybe up to about depending on the mediation maybe about six months but that is that sounds fear like and it should be for both I agree but the Muslim world hasn't caught up and and some places are doing

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this but Islam has this capacity then there was a very interesting point and I think that this ex Muslim raised about Hell in heaven and hell' in heaven don't make sense and it's look I I understand that this is a very powerful point that she made and and she said look I think more so I think about Hell I think so I could be wrong but I my understanding was she was more struggling with Hell as most people

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are and she said why must good human being suffer and I agree with you why must they and I don't think that that narrative is the only narrative in Islam I have highlighted in the past that people like Mohideen if in Arabi I've highlighted scholars like Imam has early saying that that thing didn't count once the message of Islam became distorted in his rissalah and hence he said that all the people in the you know part of the byzantine empire in his time that they were considered fine there wasn't because islam was distorted the same

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thing I quoted previously the the great jurist babe are we the Hanafi jurist who is quoted by Maliki sources saying even if a kaffir uses his reason or a disbelieve and says there is no God he says that that's that he his understanding was that that would suffice because he used reason what I'm trying to show is there is some diversity and look and there were people like it nourished the great Muslim philosopher who said there isn't hell isn't like that it's like a consciousness and stuff like this in the afterlife and it's not necessarily like fire and this kind of stuff was just symbolic

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there were people like I mentioned like even our be even a Rouge who had this understanding they said it's more about and I think maybe in some ways here's a thought that maybe this whole Abrahamic faiths that have this they are Miller to Ibrahim and maybe this whole narrative in this sense this Miller came through Ibrahim Ali Salaam as it was let's say reveal to him and hence it's called military brahim maybe the other earlier prophets that were in other parts of the world maybe in places like India for example the Miller was different hence their narratives may have been different

2:13:16

that's food for thought and and I think like hence they had a very different kind of way of looking at how once you go from this world it's different it isn't like about fire and heaven like that it's more and maybe that maybe they were different mineral that were earlier kind of revelry but what I'm trying to say is this military brahim one thing we do know is that we know nothing about the afterlife that that is the truth and these things in the Quran are mentioned as kind of symbolically like even if in our birth and these people said look we don't understand anything where it

2:13:55

mentions fire it doesn't mean fire how we understand this so what I'm trying to say is yes this is a truly difficult topic to grapple with and a nice and that's an argument which is sustained I accept that and I also accept that this view that all non-muslims or people must burn and stuff like this I - I accept that that's something that doesn't settle and I to agree that the mercy of Allah surpasses everything and that is not what I believe will happen with people because Allah is saying all these things and part of the whole and as the Muslim theologians have said look none of these things like many of them

2:14:34

said that these could just be threats that a lie saying because people generally work with it now I know people may criticize this and say well that's and I accept that argument look I'm I'm trying to be fair I make think I mean go a little easy on me like I'm trying to say that look it I accept that these are you know like points that these people would struggle with and stuff like that but even within the Islamic scope people there was a huge disagreement that's what I'm saying and yes one narrative has become more

2:15:11

standardized with time but the other narratives are still there within the Islamic tradition but they've just got kind of subdued with time right now so so these were some of the things I really wanted to highlight some of the the topics I want to say look maybe I want to conclude because it's getting really late and I'm ever so sorry for kind of dragging on that look somebody would say look we're agnostic you know that these people said like these ex-muslim most of them said that mistake and one could argue that we are all agnostic to some extent I suppose we are

2:15:51

all of us we don't know it's certainty I don't believe you can prove in any way that there is a God or that there is this and but yes I will say something and I've been asked this by atheists as well like they've asked me that look you know you seem to advocate the voice of reason and all of this so why do you believe and then why do you believe and and I've said that look I honestly because to me life just life itself life with a capital L the wonder it encapsulates

2:16:30

like just life per se it is so mesmerizing that I I see in it that this must have this Majesty must have some meaning like to me this having no meaning being meaningless I it doesn't cut it like to me that's my personal thing I like I I feel must be something yeah this this they must be meaning to this this thing new or not like we are part of something

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much greater than us we are you know they were not just like like this is just haphazard like this is just nothing like that's to me anyway I I feel and then from the traditions yes it is true I was born in a Muslim family and most Muslims today are just Muslim because they born in a Muslim family but it is also true that Islam and that out of all the faiths that generally do exist that Islam does from them seem to be the one that can if by any measures then not only has it stood the test of time but

2:17:47

it stands the test of reason in my understanding now people may argue against that and and that's actually there was an amazing quote written by Arthur Clarke as well the the great science fiction author who wrote the Space Odyssey as well where he said if any religion makes any sense you know because people asked him what would you dispute was an agnostic he said I I would say that if any of them can actually stand to the test of making sense it is Islam but he was kind of let down by Muslims he said but I feel Muslims today are just behaving like

2:18:26

Christians and hence he didn't embrace Islam and and these criticisms stand true look a lot of these issues I want to say this to X Muslims or people turbulent in their faith and or just regular listeners that look there are genuine concerns in a lot of these questions from our thick the way we practice Islam to how Muslims we unfortunately have a culture of misogyny of putting down women we have a culture of ignoring not like being sometimes anti-progress or or being anti technology or anti science or anti

2:19:04

reason we have a very harsh outlook sometimes certain Muslim we have a very pessimistic outlook of the world and the afterlife and these things are sustained arguments I'm not gonna not gonna dismiss them they are sustained arguments but they we do have the answers in our tradition as well I'm not saying I'm not saying look to people who Islam they doesn't settle with them that's fine but Islam has the answers the problem is we have failed in bringing that to the forefront in allowing this understanding to kind of

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become the standardized in failing to challenge people when they are presenting absurd Islamic things in looking into them and this is why I do encourage especially Muslims I encourage Muslims to really learn Arabic and then start a personal journey to discover Islam well llahi it is you whether the faith settles with you or not it will be one of the greatest personal expeditions in your life I'm telling you it doesn't matter how far you go off I'll tell you

2:20:22

you know just a few days ago I was coming back in the morning from the gym they must have been about like 4:00 a.m. or something and I was just driving and I put the radio on and I'm just distracted in all my thoughts and it had the till hour on this radio station so and not that I'm often listening to tillow in the car but this particular time I didn't well la he because you understand the words it comes in with

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such a kind of overwhelm my jest ik force it grips you Allah he like it just like it doesn't matter we were like he'd you know that the Rope as Allah says that kind of binds you to him that what you know Fossum will be happily lad hold on to this work it kind of reels you in will I like I wasn't even trying to listen aside the radio is on and I was driving and the words in them and the first is and well why he overwhelmed me and he just really brought me back in like just as a

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you know for those moments those few moments and this is why I advise people that if you can learn Arabic just for it to her just to understand its meaning with that profundity you know with that profound kind of experience I mean I hope this is been of some help I didn't mean to by the way those ex-muslims if they do watch this I didn't mean to in any way be dismissive of your concerns and I do welcome I even

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like I said you know any kind of sometimes discussions or if people have questions or queries they can reach out to me I actually do feel that these are people who are actually have grappled with religion and are struggling and and I don't say that in any kind of like a pity or a sympathetic sense I say that in a genuine sense and I asked all people to you know really show respect and love if possible to you know we're all on a human journey at the end of the day we're all on a human journey and everybody's kind of in their own way kind of going through certain turbulence

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and it's it's an existential crisis for us all you know as Plato said he said be kind for everyone you meet is fighting a difficult battle you know subhanAllah it's amazing profound words right so right people with that I'm gonna leave you to it inshallah it's incredibly late especially here so guys if you do want to reach out Facebook message me snapchat mom 2014 like my page sherry subscribe to my youtube stay in touch stay blessed take very good care of

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yourselves people right till next week Shalvis salam alykum iraq metal light to allah

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  title = {{Monday Nights with Mufti Abu Layth: Session 84}},
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