Your Legacy Awaits | Meaning With MALM #17

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all right so what is going on allah so i'm just i've also brought out the comments on this side just enlarged so i can see what you guys are saying somebody's saying what's this comment here yeah all right always you do and it you do and it did you see my salam did you see my dm on insta about paying for patreon in bitcoin all right i like the sound of that that would be uh

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embrace the clouds embrace it all that's what the the spirit should be about all right so people you know the drill of scorpio right so what is going on well you guys are clicking like and share and spreading the love people spread the love that's what it is you should that should always be the focus spread the love not the head man not the head [Laughter]

so whilst you guys are doing that um i'm going to bring up as well um let me just bring up today's right what we've got for today right if i can find it that is where is it where is it let me just take a look see good thing i've got my mmm not there right there it is okay so whilst you guys are clicking

like and share i'll just bring this up what we're going to be taking today is i thought after all what better than to speak about than the legacy that awaits all of you amazing people and anyone and everyone allah so the legacy that awaits some quranic guidance i want to take a look at some verses that reflect that and i wanted to do that through the prism through the prism of abraham ibrahim um just showing how

this story in the quran of ibrahim al-islam reflects and especially certain there's a an exchange a dialogue in a dua format and an expression that highlights really and it should boost uh everybody's aspirations so to to give that to kind of bring it home for for us i want to go through that and also where are we i thought you know since we're going to be speaking about legacies here's a uh the personality

assembly and i'll introduce him somebody from pre-islam pre-islamic arabia but actually makes it into islam so he's from the muhaddar mean and i'll speak a bit about that and i thought since we were mentioning him why not since we're speaking about legacies and uh people that have done things and sometimes heroic feats why not speak a bit about barack ibn

who on earth was barracked people and what's this who also as part of his legendary feat is this love story right so part of the legacy of some people in addition to heroism and all the other kind of great uh astronomical feats that they had accomplished was also a legacy of love

so let's take a look at that between him and leila this is a different layla not the there's a very famous majnunu whose name is case that's in islam era this is pre so this is going uh this is somebody known as leila allah fifa we're gonna come to all of that people will come to all of these but before we do let's first and foremost let's take a sip of of this yeah so

right it's almost the end of spring but it's like mid-winter instead lol oz weather is nuts i was about to say when he said spring i thought [Laughter] i thought oh is is somebody taking an ex excess amount of the sacred medicine

so but of course australia it's flipped it's inverse for the rest of us look at look at how amazing seriously the world is huh how we all know it you know spring summer autumn winter and where it falls in the year and then you've got places on the other side you flip the globe and it's completely inversed wow so what is going on max salams hope you're well much love

and praise mufti shukran likewise uh somebody said they've got i just what's going on [Music] this somebody had said about i've missed it about kovid so may allah grant you shifa i mean i missed the the comment i just saw it but then it just flashed right up so yes yes right so

yeah right ceiling i don't know what kind of words people are saying but anyway right let's take a look nor happy thanksgiving to all the americans here of right so thanksgiving it is shukran noora and sahlin i don't know who we're speaking about here someone some preachers are we speaking about salaam from jamaica

welcome bienvenidos all right so cool let's take a look people now let me just put this and whilst other people can you tune in and you you're obviously liking and sharing part of the legacy people allah allah legendary quote from i tell you what we'll come to that in a moment let's first of all see mawlana

the mawlana of so just look at that there is a candle in your heart ready to be kindled there is a void in your soul ready to be filled you feel it don't you allah always always try to take a moment if you can ideally each day even if you know even if these things are just literally 30 seconds 60 seconds it's not the quantity it's the quality just take a moment to reflect where

you just you try to to still that noise even if it's for a few moments let's take those deep breaths exhale still the thoughts calm the mind and allow for intuition to open up allah you see so

and that's a an amazing you know just a beautiful reminder by jalaluddin rumi miltaki mirza hips i thought you know what since i was going to speak about legacy why not get a poem of his that really reflects this allah those of you that don't know me taking me so first of all the one i put up

here what is it that we should say mere if we are asked that you came into this world what is it that you left behind allah and he means by what is it that you left behind here not as in in a sarcastic way to say well you know why are you doing something in fact it's the opposite he means here that what legacy have you left behind and it's one of you know

those of those that do not know allah i mean is your existence even worthwhile this is an existential question is the dawn of of soulful poetry from classic india he is the one of the founding fathers if you like or the key contributors to the urdu language

he's been termed in fact his title is which means the god of urdu of of speech and expression and you think well wow you know why would they give such a name and it's interesting because cultures some cultures they didn't

they used words in in certain ways where they could distinguish and it's interesting that i suppose today the same culture would probably be much more sensitive uh the same indoor park kind of culture today wouldn't be as maybe you know broad hearted towards certain words like this but mirtaki mirzaheb is from i believe he was born in 1723 or something like that and he lives right through to 1810 he passes

away in 1810 and this is the era in which when he's passing away urdu is actually becoming formulated as a language as something official i believe it's around in that last decade when he passes away it's the first time an urdu translation of the quran has been put together and urdu has then been deemed the official language of the royal courts so and it's shaped its kind of founding fathers are people like mir tatimir legend and these people were no short of

scholars in an islamic sense like they would have had all the islamic learning and much more than your average islamic scholar today so the ones today that you have the the kind of normal islamic scholars that go through a seminary a that's exactly what these people would have been through they would have studied arabic studied uh urdu obviously pharisees studied history studied feb studied the quran studied you know tafseer studied all these kind of things and possibly because of the classical nature much more

and his father was a mawlana as well his father was a mawlana and he has this and it was uh somebody that was a key proponent of the message of love especially sufi love and his father was and and and hence mead kind of follows along that way he's like a sufic kind of poet um very courageous still in his ways and you know just deemed the greatest urdu poet that ever lived seriously that is something

though that is you you have to recognize that i mean people like uh everybody has to salute me tatini and his poems have a i find in them a kind of like a feminine soul they they are very soulful that i'll definitely describe them as that and they also kind of um

they're all sensual in a way and they they have a um a delicacy about them that they're delicate it's it's it's amazing and they're not necessarily awkward and what meal did is he introduced a lot of concepts into urdu poetry so each era has poetry has a it has certain kind of motifs and

certain themes that the poets run by so for example the ancient arabs had this theme of the atlan the ruins that you always begin by you have passed so this was the this is the scene you know in ancient arabic poetry this is how a poem begins the scene begins with a poet has passed by the ruins of a former town or an abode and this has triggered for him memoirs and and he starts to reminisce often the ruins maybe

the ruins of someone he loved they but they don't have to be sometimes these ruins could just trigger memories which then trigger his memories of love and and then he'll go into the theme will change from the ruins it will change to things like uh his bravery or him going to war or him you know fl womanizing and doing all of that and his kind of own escapades and expeditions and so that's in classical arabic poetry that changes obviously later on so in urdu poetry you have certain

themes like when they will um speak of beauty they use for example similes with certain animals as in the gazelle is a key one the eyes of a gazelle and a woman her eyes and things like this these were introduced a lot of these themes were that are commonplace today um i don't know if people are still very familiar with them but they're very common in poetry were introduced by the likes of me like he actually introduced these themes so prior to him people weren't using them as much in that way he brought in a lot of these

similes and and he brought them from persian and other languages and and then this is why he's deemed the don he is i mean it's enough to say that khalib says about him that he says about himself [Laughter] i would define it as more kind of masculine and i would define it as even though he speaks about women and but a lot about alcohol and a lot about just life and melancholy and he speaks about many wonderful things as well but but on purpose he makes it

difficult like he makes the words very awkward and like he'll put words in there that you have to try to figure out what what does this word mean you know he's letting basically you know this guy is is sophisticated and educated and uh a cha-cha what i wonder what that word means so and he puts a lot of farsi in there and it doesn't it's it is difficult i think khalid's poetry for many people today would be more difficult than mir taki means poetry even though ghalib is like

you know much he's late in fact khalid meets meer at a very young age so khalid must have been a kid and he allegedly meets me taking me because meer lives an incredibly long life passes away in his 90s so he meets him when he's in his old age and avalib is just a kid so ralph doesn't rate anyone he's at the high you know at the height of arrogance when it comes to poetry and even his name harley you know the the one who overcomes [Laughter] and and and i it's actually taken from us

that the lion of god that overcomes look at that huh he's and he nobody could ever be rated by and occasionally maybe whilst you know he's had a bit to drink he might kind of praise someone occasionally but it's difficult and he says in his poem i mean imagine praising someone in his poetry which he wants to eternalize he says

he says you're not the only dawn of urdu was a former name for urtu says [Laughter] he says that it has been said and look how he's saying it even to be fair look it's bigger of him to acknowledge it but even when he does it's with a bit of arrogance it's with a hint of arrogance he says you know it's been said that in the previous generations there was

someone called mead as well [Laughter] oh you gotta love him huh you gotta love him but yeah i thought let me share this with you guys um because this is just epic you know we can't uh or shall i take a question or two and then come back to to this now let's let's just let's deal with it right now this is one of me taking meals poem that you have to familiarize yourself with

[Music] that we came as like people who are not interested in this world a fakir is like it's used in the sense to mean a poor person but in urdu it's used more for people that are kind of devout as well and they don't want anything off this world usually they have a they are colored by a religious flavor and devoutness so they just you know they're disinterested in in this world what the world has to offer so he says

they came like this and they just left with an echo and what was that echo that that be happy that may you always be happy we leave with a dua for you allah now that is really means flavor his love shines through honestly this is why i love me um i love many of the poets but he has this very this kind of compel this caring nature about him that comes right through but i mean he he at times is very clear as well

you know he's very uh pro he can be provocative in his poems as well you know he's not like he has a poem where he says uh chor ke sabdi no imam ham jeske that he says me that those uh do i have it here somewhere he he says that me those for who or or that person for whom we left our deen and iman we left our faith and everything that

dino imam [Laughter] you know that person over whom we became a kafir that kafir ended up becoming a muslim i mean teasing yeah this one he does he does you know the provocative thing but coming back to this poem

he says that we had you know that we had pledged that we will live on after you he says so we finally fulfilled our vow that we kind of saw to it [Music] he says that you know we we had so much of a desire to come through by your alleyway to come past your home and considering look you got to understand the context that's a very dangerous thing to do because it's

exposing the love and it's putting yourself in danger because if people think that um you know you've got something going on and now you are passing by that street and you could be in a lot of trouble and that's what he's embracing he's saying that we had such a desire so we came and and he's saying that we came and what happened obviously a disaster he's been and he's saying

that we've so we leave here bathed in blood this line of it is honestly it is kind of soul rapturing this that

you have to understand what he's saying and he's saying things he's using language that can mean a multiplicity of things that that you appeared to me in such a way that you made me lose myself now this you see even the second line and then i'll come back to another layer of understanding with this that you see you you made me lose myself

now one understanding is that your appeared like at a superficial level or let's say that not superficial but the simplest of understandings is that oh i saw you and i was so i lost my senses and then you separated from me and you know so one you made me lose my sense and then you gave me this separation he's lamenting the other is and a slightly more developed is

that you ripped myself from me and separated it from me you understand and then you give this a greater level of complexity that this is about the divine you see that when he finally you saw the symbols the signs the ayaat manifesting that

that it became as it became realized the self was lost annihilated ego death that in it i lost my sense of self but i found my soul this is honestly

he says the forehead continued to prostrate and prostrate we fulfill the rights of rituals as well you know it's and this could be understood in many ways as well now this is here he's speaking once again he could be understood in many ways he's saying i adored you and loved you so much this is what he's saying is an idol but this was also used in many ways to refer to especially in urdu in classical urdu

to beautiful women they were referred to as but so he says that to you to that extent he says to that extent that in the eyes of many they considered you a deity and in that there's a whole philosophy to unpack that how humans have fallen into idolatry and maybe the thing behind it was this intention of admiration for something you see and and it developed into something that

it became idolatry that that's one complex layer to the poem but in it he uses a classical you see this is classical urdu so the word here isn't used today today they would say [Music] this is obviously his urdu was obviously back then some of it has changed since then so certain words you read um he has his uh

[Laughter] so in that as well he uses a is no longer used in people wouldn't understand it today but it meant in urdu it meant uh just now like it's been a brief while zara like abhi took abhi zara like that abi took that he just for a while just only fell asleep that's

another it means the pillow um people don't use it as much in urdu now they use takiya but really comes from classical urdu in that sense and farsi to mean a pillow we actually many people use it in in other dialects so in our actual language which um and in other parts of punjabi as well i'm pretty sure they still use sarhana to mean a pillow so anyway i thought i'll introduce that i can't really go without the legends people what is going on

you see i get carried away when i start speaking about poetry this is um all right this is marie [Laughter] this is uh you know

this is the [Laughter] but i do i implore all of you to explore poetry explore urdu if you do understand urdu i think you should definitely and and use you know there's a really epic website called re khta i think it's dot org or i i don't know what it is but if you type it on google it'll come up and it's an epic website they have an app and they give you new poems every day and you can even check the words and they give you a

dictionary and they give you a brief biography and the collections it's it's epic i definitely recommend it right so what's going on what's going on um somebody said i was reading it awesome awesome stuff um i went to a shop in pakistan they were saying [Music] yeah i mean we actually say that's actually the word i i would use as i mean in our we speak uh that kind of pahari

um if you like that's with my parents i obviously speak more so my urdu is probably a lot better than my um a lot more fluent but that word sarhan is i like the word it's a very natural kind of work so what's going on people did you miss my super chat let's go to the super chat and catch up i see saracen you do in it yard much love for the super chat mostly how did the indigenous muslims of pakistan react to the muslim refugee coming in from the turmoil of 1947 did they get along did they clash like jewish refugees and

palestinians um right okay that's a an interesting question um right my from what i'm aware of and the kind of reading that i've done and the the kind of little research i have in this is and i'm not an expert on [Music] on that part of history but is that it was actually it was very welcoming and you have to understand why as well because that time there was a lot of turmoil and

instability in the entire region a an era of colonialism was coming to an end and people for once were seeing the dawn following you know centuries of darkness so the faith was an incredibly important factor and the migration that took place is the largest known migration in recent human history where approximately five million people got up and uprooted and re-routed themselves and it was a devastating one

unfortunately due to the clash that happened it was an incredibly bloody um and brutal clash between you know people that were trying to migrate into what had now become india and people trying to migrate into what had now become pakistan so yeah that's a different topic in itself should the partition have ever happened and i understand that these these arguments for both sides there's arguments for both sides i get that but in many ways i do kind of feel that

yeah i wish it hadn't happened because it you know it resulted in what we have now and yeah it's just a problem that's not going to really go away so but that said i can understand the arguments for why people why well you know for for pro partition and when it happened people were very welcoming that were indigenously living in those parts so so let's say people that came over they called them muhajius which is from the arabic thing muhajir from the muhajirin of the time of the

prophet salallahu so and in fact those people that have settled from that era us or from that time are still called muhajir so you have a community within pakistan especially around karachi and uh those places that are muhajir that were originally from india maybe bihar and other places that had come down to what was now pakistan but yeah it was very pleasant people actually gave them places to live they they welcomed them into their homes and you have to remember it was a time not of prosperity so people didn't have much anyway and the irony and let me this is actually there's this

the the this is where you see beauty in in ruins and this is where you see hope amidst despair that people in in circumstances of scarcity are often more giving you see it's ironic isn't it because it's counterintuitive because you would think surely if you had more you're more likely to give [Laughter] oh but this one the ego

you see because you would think that that if you had more you're more likely to give but actually the less you have the more likely you're to give it's crazy and and this is you know this this is why you find that people with great heart are often the people that are impoverished and poor and destitute this is why the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam said it's a fantastic you know an amazing hadith if only we think about it he said that

i love these people who are destitute and poor and he said and i pray to be with these people even after i've passed away now why was the prophet saying that people say it in a way that oh the prophet loved the poor people and of course but they don't kind of remove the the surface layer it's because true compassion is often found with those people that they haven't got lost in themselves of this these luxuries and and the and excess they haven't yet been adorned with excess

so they're in a much more loving and giving state and so yeah and and that's another you know if we psychologize it another factor that people had less so they were more giving right let's move down warcraft i still remember you not in that that's good um

nothing pretty about okay khalib is in a different league he is indeed he is indeed all right so i think was did i miss any other i was let me scroll back down dear did he miss my super chat mufti what is where do neanderthals and denisovan fit in the islamic narrative [Laughter] where do the neanderthals fit in

what uh what group and denomination is this what we're trying to figure out [Laughter] no neanderthals and denisovans and there's arguably another x um species which we're not sure who they are yet but we know that they've contributed to our dna as well and so they must have existed and so

right where do they fit in i don't know what that means in the sense that um they obviously weren't around when islam is around they fit into the islamic narrative if that's what you mean or if you mean by the question what does islam say about them islam doesn't say anything about them but islam isn't here to to speak as islam isn't an archaeological or an anthropological manual or a study guide on how to approach the human genome structure or it isn't

a book on physics or isn't a book on biology or isn't it's a message to connect people to the divine the quran hints towards um other homonyms that preceded adam ali salam and i thought with this previously i mean there's different ways to look at it so the quran hints towards this that there were other homonyms that preceded adam alaihissalam it doesn't clearly state it but it hints towards it

now some people say well that hint could have no like they they don't for let's say they don't feel comfortable with that so they interpret that hint oh you don't need to interpret it's a hint so it's not being very clear in in expressing it because it's not pertinent to the message that islam the quran did not come to teach you know the arabs for example about neanderthals and denisovans and and all this you know and other homonyms or heidelbergensis or you know

homo rectus or astrolopithecus it didn't come for these things so well you know there's no point kind of extrapolating on this and plus this these people wouldn't understand that at the time the the arabs of arabia there's no point talking to them about you know and do you know what happened to astrolopythicus it's like oh what what are you talking about so uh but it hints so allah mentions in the quran that um things about adam being a type of bashar so in nihalikum

see a type of bashar and some people um you know they're not that convinced that the hint is referring to that then this allah mentions in the quran this questioning that there is you know almost this and and one can ask why is this even mentioned in the quran like what is the purpose that allah mentions the angels ask this question that that are you creating an insane who will you know uh you've seen the philadelphia yes who will just spread corruption and just

all he will do is just do bloodshed they'll just go about like beasts and the question is that what were they basing this knowledge on because otherwise it doesn't make because if if there's just a new prototype of something that doesn't look like anything like it's it's just new like if i get a cube here or i get something and i say ah so you're not going to say well oh my god have you done that so this great mischief and this great trouble now you'll probably ask what is it so for them to question as their first

question that oh this is just another this is just something that will once again spread bloodshed on the earth the question is where were they getting they were basing this on something so some people have said they were basing this on other forms of creation i the jinn possibly which is unseen creation unseen forces at play that's one way some people said they just based this on creatures so like let's say dinosaurs and other things

that have lived and roamed the earth that these things that have just killed each other and just been beasts of prey that's what they're basing it on what seems more apt is that it's actually based on the fact that it resembles other homonyms that this homonym looks like other hominins before it even if it's slightly diff but it resembles them so what's so special about this hominin and that kind of seems much more um apt also another

uh you know amazing and beautiful way of looking at this verse of the quran if you think about it that allah says i'm creating i'm placing now a khalifa and one of the amazing you know this is the arabic language is that one of the amazing connotations of what this word means because there's no point you see khalifa now means like a ruler but that word of ruler developed after islam

so pre-islam the arabs never used to use the word khalifa to mean a king or a ruler but this came this is a post-islamic occurrence so there's no point reading the quran with post-islamic language that's like saying so for example when when the quran was being revealed there were no ulama like clergy or scholars so when you read the word ulama in the quran you can't think it's referring to clergy i mean by extension it could be so you could say look one of them this is one of the amazing features of the quran that it can by extension be

referring to things but by default it couldn't be speaking about the clergy or the scholarly class because there were no scholarly class in the time of the prophet salallahu is being revealed so you have to think well how was it when in the prophet's lifetime so in the prophet's lifetime khalifa couldn't have meant king or ruler because the arabs never used it like that now one thing what it did mean is something that comes after now you see or something that comes at the end of because the word health in arabic means behind something that comes so this thing comes

then behind it or at the end of it khalifa comes this thing and it would make sense that in a chain a series of manifestations the final succession to all of that all of these homonyms is the ultimate which will result in the cognitive revolution which will result with mankind as we know it i think that's a an amazing beautiful way to read these verses of the quran right so let's move on

jacked humans with massive bones neanderthals weren't stupid by the way they were i know we used that term to say you neanderthal but neanderthals were you know they were more intelligent than we think obviously they weren't more intelligent than us today as humans but they were more intelligent than humans think they were so humans think of them like chimpanzees or gorillas they weren't like that they were much more intelligent than that so they were probably as intelligent as maybe like in

eight nine year old child which is pretty intelligent so you know that's that's quite sophisticated so don't don't think that as chimpanzees may be about as intelligent as maybe like a three-year-old child so it's not you know there's quite a substantial difference obviously a eight-year-old child nine-year-old child with a sophisticated mature man or woman let's say who 40 year old with the kind of sophistication of the brain that we have is is incredibly

complex and we can think in immense abstraction that a child just can't comprehend even you know concepts yet so but they're not stupid either you know an eight nine year old isn't dumb by any measure right so um the prehistoric timeline is fascinating neanderthals loved making love with humans the resulting offspring wiped them out um you know that seems to be i don't buy

the uh we kind of out we absorbed them i don't buy that they did obviously interbreed i don't think they excessively interbred i don't think so because you see creatures have a different scent to them and i think they would generally homo sapiens and neanderthals would recognize a kind of difference in scent that would not that would be kind of somewhat off-putting like i don't think they would um like obviously they can see

similarities between us and them but they don't see they wouldn't be a kind of like a sexual appeal because we we are just totally different humans and and we would have like i'm saying we would have fundamental sense to us that maybe we can't smell because we're humans we're hot we're all kind of homo sapiens so we must all have it but they have so like the way animals have a scent or an odor they they would have had an odor that would i'm sure that homo sapiens would have found

somewhat repulsive um i'm not saying it would have been totally like you can't totally stand it at all but i'm pretty sure it would have been somewhat repulsive they wouldn't have found it appealing so hence i think it was the other way i think it was more so neandertal men with some homo sapien women and i think i don't think it was excessively happening but i think it happened on some occasions of obviously you're going to get some and the homo sapien woman is then still with her tribe and she gives birth to the child

so the birth so the child carries on and the child has then neanderthal dna but then that child would carry mate with a normal human and so it'll kind of rinse it it'll kind of like clean it out filter it out so hence today we only have one to four percent um this is non-africans africans don't have any usually neanderthal dna but non-africans i think europeans having the most and then other people as well so all non-africans have some neanderthal dna but it's it's a small amount it's probably anything between one percent to about four percent in between there

and it actually contributes for also check this out it contributes for the weakness that humans have to for smoking so those of you that smoke and you can't seem to give up smoking part of that is as a result of what was inherited by the neanderthal dna part of that i mean i'm sure obviously even if you didn't have you could still get affected by smoking but it i think it gives a greater propensity um to being addicted to it that's all right so

what is going on homo sapien women under tourists [Laughter] well i'm sure it was all a very long time ago and yeah well not much you can do about it you can just embrace the genes now um mufti going all dr omar okay i don't know doctor i never heard africans don't have neanderthal dna this is not dr um or this is anthropology okay

so that's generally how it is it doesn't mean that no person who you may deem today to be african will have that because it could be that who you come across today and is african somewhere in the ancestry had someone that wasn't african so it could be that because people have migrated all the time so you don't know like when i did my ancestry dna 13 came through as gaelic

which is like what like irish welsh and scottish like 13 of you think what the hell is 13 of it doing all the way in over there but it's it's like that so you're going to see that because people move around so you may have somewhere an ancestor that has contributed a certain dna so just because you it doesn't mean today but in essence people who have only had african ancestry they won't have any uh neanderthal dna that's the the science behind it it's not just a statement because neanderthals were not in africa

so how the hell are they gonna get so where are the genes going to come from so yeah right let's see must these racism part of our dna some biologists say it is a self-defense mechanism for early homo sapiens uh first of all shukran for the super chat uh may allah bless you now no racism is not part of our dna that that would be ridiculous but what you're uh i mean if i was to reframe the question

um in the sense that our humans um [Music] tribal by our kind of um by simply i hmm it's it's a tricky one that would how would it bring it down to two genes but let's say but by our evolutionary makeup are we tribal and and that we are and it's not just um

you know not just humans many species are tribal in that sense um so looking just at primates they live in tribes they don't just live on their own and humans are social by nature so we need other humans now okay social is a different uh element but coming back to the tribal things so we see a sense of safety in ourselves and we become frightened by something that is different so this self-defense mechanism of seeing something that is different and becoming cautious

of it that may that may be something as part of the evolutionary development that humans have but in in a world where exposure has long generations civilizations ago taken place then that doesn't really make sense in that way so it doesn't make sense in that way because yes if you were you know if a person lived in i don't know let's say 10 000 years ago or 15 000 years ago

they lived in what was a remote island or they lived somewhere like people that lived in australia uh the aborigines they were there for since like 50 000 years ago so they had interaction with no other humans like for thousands and thousands for like you know for whatever for the better part of that 50 000 years they knew no one else except people that only looked like them and nobody could have ever encountered them because of the oceans so when they did come across someone i'm

sure they freaked the hell out because it was like what on earth is that how can a person look different because i'm sure they only knew people with their kind of features and pigmentation and so but i think most humans for you know for since civilization and before that have been moving about so most homo sapiens did kind of migrate and so they would have come across other people from you know from time immemorial and they would have had exposure to them so it wouldn't so they would understand that

there are other people that are different and they look different and they speak a different tongue we don't understand them and they would have had exposure to all of these so yeah so whether it's a part of a um i don't think race works in that way so i think it's wrong to say it's racism i think yes difference difference in terms of that what something being entirely like you don't understand they look absolutely and it's not just this isn't about skin tone you see because racism often today

is about or in the recent past has been about skin tone but if people were of a complete different you know let's say they absolute different kind of makeup to them and then they kind of culture in in the sense of how they were and how they behaved and how they was totally alien to another people then as part of the evolutionary uh anthropological process i'm sure when humans first made contact they they would freak out i'm sure they would they'd become very cautious but yeah but the problem with this kind of stuff is you see it doesn't work in a world today

and you see the reason why people have to be careful is is saying this could be extended to justify racism which is absurd which is stupid because today seriously the world is it's like a small village and to i honestly i really i pity a person that is racist honestly i pity them because if in this day and age a person is racist it's like

wow like this person they've they've missed like an entire this like at least a hundred years have gone by and they haven't noticed so yeah may allah you know people that are like that and unfortunately there are people like that you know may allah open their hearts i mean with compassion with because you know something in fact let me you know speaking of studies it is true that babies can be bigoted okay despite looking super cute

babies if left to their own devices can be incredibly greedy incredibly self-centered and very kind of bigoted so and this affirms the the other uh understanding that things by def you know compassion has to be nurtured ethics and um especially altruism and all these things about being loving and giving you have to nurture it it's a bit like you see in a garden weeds growing not not that kind of weed but the the

the annoying new sun nuisance weeds that grow you don't need to you don't need to plant anything or watering they're just going to keep growing you could concrete everything and they'll just grow out of the side [Laughter] but if you're trying to make a rose garden or you're trying to grow some flowers and that's going to take nurturing you know you have to water it you have to take care of it you have to invest and then it turns into something mesmerizingly beautiful but that's the same as well with human

beings i think so so babies have been in a lot of studies in psychology they have shown can be very they're very self-centered and like they can be very bigoted but it's nurtured into them compassion and and so people have for some reason remained as bigots and they grow up like that then we we pray for them you know may allah open their hearts because it's it truly is a misery to be alive in such a state all right uh what do you think about the opinions of

ahmed javed i think i think they're uh yeah sure i mean that's obviously such a broad statement but he is an amazing individual i can say that obviously i mean what do you think of the opinions i don't know what that mean his opinions i'm sure are amazing as well he's he's definitely an you know an enlightened figure of our lifetime so may allah bless him i mean all right so yeah talk behavior yep absolutely

right um blame the parents weeds are flowers growing in the wrong place [Laughter] well they're the unwanted flowers if you like somebody said are my comments getting through well that one did that's all i can say um yeah so people what is uh oh there was a super chat i think i missed a super chat uh salam mufti i submitted a superchat of

this question can you explain surah 3 isn't that the verse about [Music] hadith which orders sunnis to kill lizards okay i'll come to who's that no man i'll come to that okay so surah nur verse 3 isn't that just this the verse speaking about allah's glory and is that i'll have to bring it up but

all right let's see hmm my know i've just been lazy and um ah phones playing up well i'm i'm sorry i apologize i'll i'll look into it and i'll get back to that on another day okay so what was there another question about lizards i've got a hadith on that uh hadith analysis it's a few years old but no that isn't a sahih adid and it is

um it's problematic from its chain perspective it doesn't really it's kind of crept in as as many things do sometimes creep in i think and that's a testimony to the amazing nature of something that you see what people don't you see this is something we have to appreciate is that imperfection is a beauty in and of itself because it's a testament to the near perfect attempt or manifestation of something because true perfection doesn't exist in this

world and your imperfections are but a reminder of the kind of quasi perfection that exists it's it's it's amazing it's how something in itself contains the the potential to express its um it's opposite and in jungian psychology it's called uh

um enantio what does young refer to it as again refers to as enantio enantiomedia or enantio let me type it up right so uh antiodromia that's enantiodromia that's what kalyan refers to it as and it's a it's actually a very powerful principle and it's in islam as well and it's that how things contain the potential

to express and manifest the the opposite and it's beautifully expressed in a hadith that the prophet salallahu said that that that is such an amazing hadith he said that don't he said hold back with your hate towards somebody you hate

like hold back a bit go easy with your hate towards somebody you hate asana perhaps he will become or she will become a friend someday and then what will you do you know it's like that your hate in it may contain a love that just hasn't manifested at this time and these are opposites so you have

hate and love and success and failure is the same thing and it ties in very powerfully with today's lesson as well about leaving a legacy enantiomer that we have within us so sometimes you see that like you see diamonds rising from and gold from what from dust

you see how things rise from their opposites you see people that uh the tale of buddha somebody from luxury and opulence and and complete sheltered uh perspective this and this this kind of this this path or this manifestation of enantiodromia to result in a complete um renunciation of

anything worldly and an embracing of suffering you see in a such and a 180 in it and you see that in in other things as well people that are taken that are nothing but indulged in and it can be for better or for worse but how there is always this capacity this yin yang effect that exists we spoke of that pre-islamic um tribe bani taglib and the famous one of the most famous warriors of ancient arabia

sir salim known we've done that already previously and uh and he in the whole harbour basu which lasts for 40 years but prior to that in his heyday even though he's incredibly talented and skilled as a fighting but had zero zero interest in fighting was was just so indulgent and immersed in in the company of women always to the the where the terms comes from his name

so this this person turns from that from this casanova this this kind of person this this forever romeo he turns into this vicious bloodthirsty relentless warrior who refuses to ever reconcile and and this this is the manifestation of that enantiotromia that is taking place and we see that in a lot of islamic literature and you see come forward as well and you're reminded

of this in the quran as well that there is this nature from the best most elevated most dignified to the worst where is this it's potential that is all locked within each and every human so

yeah that so this this is something very um i think it is an important lesson to to take away right right so what is going on love hate relationships absolutely uh that is that is a manifestation of that but it's a it's a good term remember it enantiomer so alright now

right what is going on okay now let's bring this back up and let's take a look at inshaallah some of the quranic guidance today that echoes this lesson about legacy

i would believe in the shaytan origin now that's an amazing surah by the way and that's something we can speak about another day in much more detail but we're going to take a look at many of these verses from surah today but the whole thing and obviously based on the poets comes from an awareness allah it doesn't come see people don't understand that they don't understand the nuances of these words they use the words that

it carries today so but that gives a very shallow understanding of what the words mean when they're used in the quran because they didn't use them the way we use them today i mean they there's an overlap but it's they use them with much more nuance to them so it wasn't how we call a poet a poet today so poet today is is that somebody who says poetry i mean that's not how poetry emerged in arabia in late antiquity it emerged from this kind of

this this kind of other worldly experience that somebody experiences in a sense of um almost transcendental awareness that results in this trance-like state followed by expression that is magical in its appearance because it captivates and it rhymes and it comes with certain rhythms and meters that it's like whoa what is this person saying almost as though they are casting a spell i mean think

the oracles of delphi and think that you know those that kind of that oracular kind of culture that existed right so sura looking at this verse 84 but here

you see people when you've got to live anyway why not live a life that will leave a legacy [Laughter] you see live a life that will leave a legacy this is these verses are to do with ibrahim alaihissalam and him making a dua that o

that give me a good mention that those who come after me that they can speak well and praise my legacy and this goes to show that there's nothing wrong in wanting a legacy you know sometimes some people think oh oh my god is that the ego no it is uh actualizing your human potential it is truly manifesting yourself you see allah has brought you you're not just a statistic

you're a person you're a human you're an individual leave your story behind let it outlive you in the hearts and minds of others and it's amazing the word that that my mention placed my mention on the tongues of people who come after me but which tongues the tongues that speak true you see and that also means they can't blag it

so you have to have left it so the legacy has to be true as well it can't just be fake [Laughter] so and here you see i wanted to just taking a slight break from surah these words are on the tongue of ibrahim and we're going to come back to the rest of that dua and what precedes it as well the inna ibrahim

he was a civilization he was a nation in and of himself and you think what how was he a nation he was just one person you see so how is ibrahim an ummah and people have given you know there's many ways of looking at these but you see one way to understand this is because of that potential that he had in him it was the potential of civilizations and it's true it followed after him

did it not see judaism christianity it's empires whether it was byzantines or whoever you know taking over rome came on to become christian wrong still whether you could say rightly or wrongfully but tracing their legacy to ibrahim ali and then islam

setting humanity on a trajectory of global unification these faiths put together the abrahamic faiths have done that for the most part they have set mankind on a you know a trajectory of human unification and it begins with this one man ibrahim ali salah who left a legacy it is so profound when you think about it and why is allah mentioning this in the quran he's mentioning it for you you know you you thinking that you know

what am i what can i do i haven't got you know oh i haven't got an audience i haven't got followers oh i haven't got enough likes on my instagram i haven't got enough you know i haven't got enough of a bank balance in my account i haven't got family i haven't got friends i haven't got resources i haven't got uh money i haven't got properties i haven't got people could whatever that you're lacking that you think you're lacking in life and then allah presents this

story of ibrahim ali salam rejected by his family by his people you know age he's he becomes aged doesn't have the same vigor and strength of of of his youthful days the struggle to have children the whole story that he doesn't have a child until very late in life wandering without resources deserted in a valley

which you know that and he used to and allah says call just call upon people and then finance and ibrahim ali nobody's here i don't have the resources nobody's interested in me but the message was this is just chapter 1 yet

in chapter 25 you have no idea what's going to happen you see how the whole thing plays out this allah is saying in ibrahim [Music] but perhaps so are you now you may say well i don't believe so then maybe you're not you see because if you believe you can or you believe you can't either way you are right [Laughter] so just thinking about that and now the context to when ibrahim ali

is making that dua now check this out because in the verses that proceeded so just before what we read you see ibrahim alaihi islam is speaking about god and his favors he says who created me he will show me the way don't worry people were saying to him who's going to guide you you're leaving your people you're going on your own who's going to guide you

you know he brought me into this world i'll have tawakkul i'll have a sense of trust see he was going on a journey alone where are you going to get food from somebody's made a shift they've left a particular job they've gone to a different job maybe somebody's quit something to follow their dreams people have said you know what you're being stupid where are you gonna get your money from

where are you going to get an income from who's going to pay you to i don't know be a writer who's going to pay you to to to follow this passion who's going to pay you to to do this he says this is allah he feeds me he gives me to drink now but what happens when a person is without support mechanisms and this is actually psychologically shown as well you see when people are are often rendered alone

their immune systems can become weaker they can doesn't mean they have to they can but there's a distinction between being alone and lonely and we covered this last week and ibrahimo alaysalam says yeah if i get sick at times allah heals me look at the narrative it has been shown that people who have faith now you know studies have been conducted on this

people who have faith tend to outlive people who don't have faith they tend to have stronger immune systems they tend to recover from illnesses quicker they tend to get their life back together following catastrophes quicker than counterparts who don't have faith no if i fall ill he kills me now you may think that here he is addressing these people

addressing all these concerns now at this point you see now this is another honestly this is such a beautiful way i want you guys to pay attention to this right check this out this is counterintuitive here ibrahim al-islam has mentioned all these things you know god watches out for me god will support me god will give me to do this god will do this god will do this now at this point what do you think a person should do you think or a person would do they would be like they would start praising and being grateful

i mean not they would start expressing let me reword that they would start expressing sugar to god because if allah if somebody says you know allah is going to do this for me allah got me don't worry got then a person at that point might think you know i better pray to god i better um you know express i better give and what can it sound give to god you can't give anything but maybe i'm going to try to express my sugar i'm going to do you know shukran and i'm going to do some taspi or i'm going to do some i'm going to try to do my human

week version of giving but look at the example this is where people miss this when they read the quran look at what ibrahim al-islam does following that says before that he does mention and when i die he aft that was still part of the other verses that when i'm ill he kills me and when i pass away he grants me a life following death but then look at this

he doesn't follow what he follows by asking asking for more look at that so he's got he's saying look allah's you know allah is going to do this allah takes care of me he feeds me he gives me to drink he does this he does this now imagine in a worldly example you're speaking to someone imagine you've got some kind of a a guardian some kind of a um you know like a a benefactor some somebody that is gracious towards you and they benevolent and they they give you their

donor they they kind of whatever a king in the past as people would have had or somebody some kind of patron that's like super wealthy is so you're saying oh this person is like you know this person will cover me he will support me he will do this he will do that or this king will do this now when you finish the last thing you're going to do is start asking you're going to say oh yeah there's such an amazing person you know this person is so great the best person best king ever [Laughter] best millionaire ever you but look allah laysa committee allah is

not like a king he's not a benevolent king like it's not like how you picture people ibrahim alaihi salam follows immediately by asking expressing and who by the way all my mistakes that i've made i hope he forgives and then he goes directly starts asking more rabbi

o allah give me the potential for power allah for judgment sound knowledge give me this hokum and people say what what does hook mean some people said does it mean profit or does it mean knowledge but it's all the potential to to be able you see because to be able to have some hukum is the potential for some power whether it's by virtue of knowledge whether it's by virtue of of other means

and he asks this you know placed me amongst people who are good and then he asks you see and make me have a legacy that is amongst the generations that come after me allah he's still asking even more and he doesn't stop there

and you know what allah when i pass away from is inevitable make my afterlife even better allah and doesn't stop there he says more

see people one of the key disrupting elements for many believers today many muslims especially is how they understand god their relationship with god people's relationship with god is often that they it's like they as though god is a he's like a king in the past how when people had kings in the past you see because in the past

used these examples because they were speaking to a people let's say that lived in rural cultures and and to give an approximation they gave these kind of examples and fair enough they were coming from a position of understanding for their day and age but people have this today but the king the problem with the king is as kind and generous as he can be he can be as uh he can be as swift in being vicious and he can be ruthless

so people had to always live in kind of fear of this king and they had to give their dues they got to pay taxes to this king that is not allah he sees that that's a completely disconnected analogy allah is nothing lesser commits his shade you there's not even an analogy that is like an analogy that is onto him and here instantiated in this surah you see this coming to life ibrahim al-islam is mentioning all these things and when he finishes

one may think oh wood is this the point to start expressing a series of sugar and he he starts asking and give me this and give me this ya rob give me this give me this why because it doesn't affect allah to give allah says or the only hasta jiblico just ask i will give you just need to ask this relationship that we have with god and our concept of god needs with many people

it needs to be re retuned and refined and to understand that allah is is not this this kind of angry this this being it's not nothing like that and that's they've misunderstood god and this is why i found these verses so amazing that here ibrahim alaihissalam is guiding you in how to understand your relationship with god that look he will have you if food drink guide you when you are lost he will yes he he gives death he gives

life though people may fall ill he will grant you health and then when he says all of these things keeps on asking and even asks for a legacy and this is mentioned in the quran and does he not have one because when we think about ibrahimovic this is the greatest legacy for any faith ever the abrahamic faiths all are a standing testimony to ibrahim ali so i this is such a powerful potent

reminder and i thought i'd share that with us may allah make it easy for each and all and i would say seriously leave a legacy and whatever little that may be because you know you you don't need to decide you don't need to you can't determine its success all you can do is just be consistent in your input towards it what your passion is to leave that to to to have a living reminder and testimony that outlives you

in this dunya do that so many people they live a life that they've bereft of that that they've reached the final stage and they think yeah gosh why not actually seize it that alas

at that stage you can't bring back anything that's gone allah says that i can't the poet says i can't bring back what's gone not by saying you know laugh or not by saying what if or if only or ah damn i wish things were different [Laughter] so may allah give each and all the ability the willpower to to pursue a legacy and may allah bless

it that it lives on after us all right so let's move on to what i'll do is i'll share uh the invite link shortly get on some of you guys to have a little chat let me see if i've missed some questions

in fact you know what you've reminded me this uh barack ibn rohan we're going to speak about him i like the name i have to say barack marvelous thanks for the info shakaran shukran mohammed hassan says i'm going to be a dj now [Laughter]

dj why not dj says that you you may be incredibly attractive and beautiful but the world is not so attractive and beautiful

joe neely had a style of his own he says matka robas [Laughter] he says that don't debate with me you'll end up losing beauty in and of itself can only take you so far that have you need brains as well that's what he's saying it's it's funny but yeah poetry you know in poetry one can find wisdom but that's an amazing reminder for people you know because we're in a day and age

where people are so easily uh consumed by social media and we spoken about this on so many times on so many occasions so there's nothing you know in a way people that are growing up will be a part of that and i think it affects men and women and i think perhaps more so um you know women and girls just just the way social media dictates it and obviously them being the object of the glance and which is ironic because at the same time it says you know they should be

objectified but then this is all it does so there's nothing wrong in a person wanting to be beautiful or person wanting to be praised or wanting to be glamorous or wanting to be these things there's nothing wrong in that kind of want it's very human to want that and even beauty so it is and and then hadith mentions that that in the large emiliano he loves beauty and that beauty in and of itself is a

gift it's not something which people shouldn't you know they need to see as something always bad or or people need to look down on no this is this it's natural that people want to they want these things or they like them but you see your greatest accomplishment should always be about more depth like your greatest accomplishment in life should not just be about your appearance because your appearance will fade

you see it will because the clock's ticking and there's nothing wrong in that there's a there's a grace in accepting and embracing aging beauty because that's also beautiful in its in its way but what i'm saying is if if especially the younger people that are the kind of the the instagram the kind of um world that that's that's a true world for the younger people especially or they don't even have to be young but the people that are drowning in that

if everything is about just beauty and looks and the problem with that is then every day that comes after you just trying to match a prior self and there's nothing wrong with having these things but invest in what's in the invest in a passion invest in in knowledge that yes when somebody looks at you they may think wow this person is stunning but what it should be is that when they open their mouth to speak it should be you know

double or triple or quadruply mesmerizing that what the content a person has is so yeah that's something i think very important right uh eamonn says i missed a super chat don't miss a super chat let's see right sam shakan much love for the for the super sticker i dearly appreciate it

uh super chat man what's this one man khan this was the one that uh surah nur i did say that i will check this because i'll have to bring it up and my phone you know what what i've got to do is i've got to transfer everything i've got my other phone not the flip one and i haven't transferred and i transferred half the stuff and i wanted to put a what do you call it the the kind of protector screen protector on it and because it's one of those folding phones it's like oh it's a bit awkward to so i had to get hold of it the protector which i did and then i've got to fit it and i've

just been so lazy to do it i need to do that all right so what have i missed any other let me see super chats yep here's one um below it says salaam mufti the conspiracy theories you believe in i don't know because i don't think any any i i would if i did they would just be theories [Laughter] there wouldn't be conspiracy theories i'm not sure um i think i there's there may be certain theories i'm more inclined

towards that are not um that are still counter culture but i don't know if they are conspiracy so for example that i feel there's uh how graham hancock has explained the lost civilizations i'm inclined towards that thought that uh before the ice age there were civilizations that had a sufficiently advanced structures not as advanced as us today

but advanced like you know maybe the kind of 18th century advanced like that i feel that they would have existed like that but they may have been an isolated civilization um i'm inclined to towards that belief because it just the evidence seems to suggest it now and i think that you know in perhaps a decade time this will become because right now it's still counter culture to believe that but i i feel that in maybe 10 years from today it will probably be 50 50 if not more because more and more evidence like gobekli tepe how do you answer that

you know because what did hunter gather is just just after the younger dryers kind of mini ice age they just put down their tools and suddenly their weapon and suddenly build a gigantic structure how does that even happen it needs like civilization needs to develop first and it's just goes to show that they must have had some civilization prior or they were guided by civilization and how you know there's many things that we just can't seem to explain definitely i feel that human ex that global exploration had taken place before

just our recent times but it wasn't the world at that time wasn't it may have just been a an isolated civilization that could have done this and they then died out but it wouldn't have been the whole world like today the whole world has become a global village so that's a i don't know maybe i don't know if that's i don't i wouldn't put that in the conspiracy theory but uh it's not as it's still counter culture to believe it but i do believe it so i'm also i feel that ultimately

reality i feel i don't think that there's aliens in this dimension but i feel that there's potential for aliens but we've kind of got the whole thing mixed up feel we're we've misunderstood it because we're looking for it in the wrong dimension that's something which is that's not i wouldn't call it a conspiracy theory but i would say it's not commonly i suppose it's a theory but it's not common culture to think that i think

that yeah i think we've misunderstood how dimensions work all just not understood and that that's why we won't find in this dimension aliens because it's not how we're thinking it is that the dimensions are kind of they're connected in different ways when we're thinking of them in different we're thinking of them all within within but it's like in hyper links and in those

um hyper dimensions there exists entities so yeah definitely i would um that's but but that's ah gobbledygook don't worry about it imam trump says homo erectus lol yeah oh i've answered this one

um let me take a look have i missed any mufti why were promiscuous women looked down upon throughout history in your opinion is there an evolutionary explanation for that promiscuous women i'm not sure promiscuous women probably scares women even the term is

right so because i don't like that term in that sense because i think that's it's part of the problem um if we're going to say um embracing one sexuality i think in the past wasn't looked down upon i think women openly if you went back many thousands of years they did openly embrace sexuality hence a lot of the the goddesses of ancient cultures and things like that are goddesses that are often sexual

deities because how how could that be um archetyped and um symbolized as something in those ancient civilizations as worthy of kind of this worship if it was seen as something abhorrent so i refuse i i don't believe that in in many if you went several thousands of years ago i feel that they would have openly embraced but i think

in the last maybe between last few thousand years only that this culture has started to dominate and and i think actually maybe yeah so so yeah it started to dominate and then it has kind of become the way especially leading into what would have become i think a lot of christianity um ended up because of and i'm not saying it's because of christianity at its core but chris and dumb really

took on this thing of denying sexuality and and then obviously uh neighboring cultures and and i don't know whether they they they influence one another or did they develop in parallel because because sometimes people can just develop in parallel similar ideas so yeah so you know certain muslim cultures embrace this view as well others didn't to be fair but over time this view seems to have preponderated so if you look at ancient india

it was still very embracing of sexuality before um the british really take you know hold of india so even when the british are there in the early days but they're not they haven't completely taken over it's just the east india company there um india is still quite different and you have to remember that they have this whole thing they have this culture they have even the hindu endogenous people with kama sutra being this whole thing of the sexual energy being something that one can attain samadhi through through that and this whole you know you can attain

this blissful state of um bringing you closer to god is through meaningful and powerfully charged sex that was often in many cultures deemed to be one of the most powerful ways and and you see echoes of that in the muslim culture as well like imam khazali speaking of that the ecstasy of of the orgasm is is bestowed it's really a a a property

from the realm of the afterlife which is kind of granted in this dunya and you can see the in in many ways the afterlife a place of greater proximity to the divine so how through this ecstatic orgasmic state one can can be or at least experience or taste a [Music] a a sense

of transcendental proximity i feel that these things were there but it's it's kind of died down with the whole um yeah with colonialism it really took a beating and really died a horrible death and yeah so and even that's whether it was muslims or non-muslims they seem to have adopted this prudish kind of ethics which look down on this so i think that's a an anthropological development

culturally speaking that cultures have been through that not just it's nothing to do with and i think why they look down on women was maybe it was as a sense of control it was a fear that people had because ultimately from an evolutionary perspective it was more about just wanting to know the the progeny the child is this this was where men would have that from an evolutionary perspective that sense of control or that fear as you so if the woman is

is restricted then obviously all the more control that you have it is it kind of gives you more let's say a surety of your progeny so if this is we're looking at it from an evolution evolution perspective and then i think society when that kind of plays out and manifests at a societal level it it it builds on the concept of shame and shaming someone for being sexual you know when it's it's a and it's a true shame that this that this this exists in muslim culture in some muslim cultures

you know i spoke to this uh i spoke to someone this lady who uh was asking me for some advice and she had been through a terrible relationship you know allah make it easy for for her for everyone who who faces these kind of uh horrific horrific chains of abuse so she wanted a divorce and this is by the way this is a god-given you know this is a hug this is something which a person if they are in a relationship that they are

suffering in it is their right in islam that you can't you can't force these people to be in a relationship if they don't want to be in it even if they did want to be in it 10 years ago or 15 years ago or five years ago but if today they don't want to be in it even if it's because they're being stupid it's still their life their choice you have to accept it so this this lady she was in a relationship for so long and she just kind of just put up with it i guess and eventually she couldn't it got to that point so she was about

i think she was 50 years old or in her early 50s and she was seeking a divorce so she went to some masjid um and to ask for assistance on this mata and she wanted to apply for a hola or for a talaq and she wanted some guidance and the imams really honestly because it's it's it's so horrendous the reaction because they said to see their point was that and i could understand if they were just trying to come from the angle of uh i mean

if that was their angle then it was a horrible manifestation of it that if because somebody could be somebody could tell you this problem and maybe you could say well you know what i don't because you don't know how bad it is and you could say look maybe do you know do you want maybe counseling could work maybe reconciliation maybe you're trying to say look uh you know maybe a keeping a home together and these are all noble intentions and it's coming from a place of love so that's admirable but if a person is suffering and they're saying look this is what they want then it's their life

and so they said to her that look you know why do you want a divorce because look you're already 50 whatever it was like let's say she was 52 and they said like you're already in your 50s and you what do you want another man and you know it's not going to be that long before you're in the grave i thought what the hell what the hell yeah salam that is such a horrible thing to say he's absolute bang out of order have no place

on earth that there is no place in islam for anybody to say that to somebody you see so it doesn't matter if she's 70 years old she's 80 years old she's a hundred it's still her life and to impose a kind of social guilt upon her to say well you know what do you want another man wait a minute back back it up a bit it's not your place to even ask that what has it got to do with you what is this social guilt and shame that you are trying to put on to her first of all

whether she wants a man or she doesn't that's that's nobody's business but even if what's wrong with that like why are people being put to shame over just being humans it's like oh so he and then in this case that wasn't even the reason the woman had been in an abusive relationship but even if that was a reason what's wrong with wanting companionship with wanting intimacy with wanting um with wanting sexual wanting sex what's wrong with that so to kind of impose it from a religious

perspective with a sense of guilt not even a table tablespoon but like a whole a bucket of guilt in there that is this what you want and look at your age you know you ain't you going to the grave i mean what the hell i honestly i i heard it and i was you know like secondhand hurt by hearing it i was like who on earth said said that so we have to be careful as well when we speak about the deen to people because you're not allowed to say things like this

okay and we are not the gatekeepers of the deen this is allah's deen and we're not and secondly this this attitude of shame towards what is just very human and creature is this is the fitra that allah has created creatures with well why should you be ashamed to still fit why should you be ashamed that's like saying you should be ashamed of god so there is great responsibility in these things and we have to accept that look other people live their own lives

sometimes you know people have said to me sometimes oh you know mostly i know certain such person they want a divorce but they're doing it for all the wrong reasons so what it's their life they have to learn by their own mistakes you know what what that that's like you know if a person says look i want to get married to this person and somebody says well you know you know that's a recipe for disaster and it may well be a recipe for disaster it may well be but it's still their life you know they've got somebody says look i'm going to take this job you say well

yeah you know i wouldn't recommend that please or somebody says something else stupid in life you know i'm going to do something which is actually stupid it's going to get them into trouble let's say or they're going to do something but it's their life and it's their mistakes to make especially when they're legitimate choices even if they are foolish even if it's still their life and we have to respect that and people have to always say you know you could say well you know if they ask your opinion in my opinion but it's your life so may allah make things easy for everyone who is suffering i mean and you

know and and really may we be able to have a a compassionate bond with this theme in its very natural fitra state because it's it's totally it's amazingly mesmerizingly beautiful in its natural state all right mariam what about promiscuous men exactly that was the that was the point right so uh can you debate with an ex-muslim i don't know what a shaheel is what's a shahid

is that some i don't know i'm lucy or says i'm not married well more power to you person doesn't have to you know this is another thing saying louder for those at the back mufti amen yeah because yeah because you do see these things right can a mom tell her son to divorce his wife in islam wow well you see there's two parts to this well yes she can say

that she could say anything but he has his own brain you see so people can say anything always remember that people can you know somebody could tell you to to do a handstand somebody can tell you to jump out of a window somebody can tell you to they can tell you and i'm sure parents often do these things because they will meddle in in the child's affair because you see this is another thing parents often and many people are and sometimes i don't know if it's not about their fault they've just not known differently

that they live their lives like like vicari like they try to live their children's lives vicariously through them so it's like yeah i could never have been this i'm going to make you that yeah i always want to be a doctor yeah i could never be a doctor right you're going to become a doctor don't get me wrong i think becoming a doctor would be awesome and i would i would love it you know if my kids became doctors or i'm sure people would love that and i i think it's an amazing profession i rate doctors or the profession i rate but

um obviously these guys problems but the point is that people may not want to they may not coincide with their wills and desires so somebody may want to be something else and ultimately you have to so people may say anything and relationships is something that they definitely especially this appearance are going to be meddling meddling isn't the word they are in control with the they've got the control pads

i think this appearance and relationships is like that that could just be like a whole tv series not even a tv that could be like a tv channel it just has so many problems honestly and yeah it's it's about learning to let go i think it's difficult i tell you you know freud he would have loved to prove because you see even though he's trying to prove it from a sexual perspective which obviously is nonsensical and ridiculous but still because he's highlighting the bond that the mother and

son have and he says that you know this this this that the mother and the son especially not the daughter but the mother and son bond which he's fixated on i think is so greatly exemplified or is instantiated within the desi kind of setting because it's so it's so apparent in maybe not all but in many many how the sons are completely favored and the sons are you know with the

mother especially so the mother and son bond and it's like then the mother the son becomes the number one he's like the number one over everything he's he's the number one above the husband above the her father above everyone is the and and then it's there's this great sense of kind of jealousy almost of the sun being shared with another woman which in this case is the wife and then there's this tragic armageddon that plays this great

battle of good versus evil kind of that plays out in this household sometimes dramatized as sas [Laughter] god yes yes may allah make it easy for all these people yeah so it's it's a recipe for disaster but i think freud would have loved the the field work the data that he could have collected from desi households he he would have been like yes this is what i was talking about this this kind of obvious although he was trying to prove something he had a

different theory underlying theory but the but the but the data is definitely there in the bond right so evil bahu vs helpless mother drama yeah this this is it so ah yeah and really that and i think what happens is the husbands they they need to really kind of man up if i can say that and handle the goddamn situation

okay stop being a little child because what happens they completely recede and they just like fight contenders fight this is a duel to the death it's ridiculous and i get it that obviously where is he because he has loyalties both ways but so what be a man you know you've married this person take responsibility get yourself a different place live separately understand parameters parameterize the relationship explain nicely to your mother that look

listen this isn't and also to the wife as well i mean you could just just and sometimes there needs to be you know because this is territorial behavior you see you have to you have to separate the territories it's like it's like this is that evolution see you can't have two women like that in the same household it's a it's gonna be a lot of territorial kind of like so you're going to come back to a lot of bloodshed so you got to separate the territories

right so yeah definitely live separately 100 i i would always say that and the problem is that you see the parents make guilt trip and say well is this a sense of abandonment because the mother like i said her bond with the sun is that powerful from her perspective in the desi setting that you see any sense of distancing um it it it signifies projection

and abandonment that's what it symbolizes for her so because in her psyche proximity physical proximity means proximity in loyalty so the closeness symbolizes that so distance it symbolizes a sense of rejection and abandonment and this has to be addressed see a person they have to just address it and say well it doesn't mean that you know

nobody's abandoning anyone you know it's not so and i think yeah speaking of which let's yeah somebody said mother's guilt trip but you know what i i i want to say just caveat that as well by saying look understand where they're coming from because people give the appearance and we'll dedicate a show to this to the parent kind of issues people give them a kind of a bad rap and you've got to understand that look they are coming from a position of love and the problem is that the mothers haven't known any differently

so you can't suddenly see this is why you a person when i'm saying they have to man they have to handle it with maturity on both sides there is no good and evil good versus evil armageddon taking place they have to understand the mother's feelings as well don't you don't need to be heart crushing towards anyone you can still keep and express a a bond of love and you can do that like if you just be mature and sensible enough and you understand that and this is the thing sometimes people are like oh

and they just but right let's uh let's move on people because it has got late i did want to share a story actually tying in with legacy i let me just i bring it i'm sure i have a drink here chill i'll have to get that in a moment

right speaking of what we're speaking of parents and elders see you have to remember that certain people in the for their world they have a setting like to them maybe the family is the whole world and sometimes some people hold up an entire world so speaking of that let's move to this uh allah see if you're going to live leave a legacy

there is a sahabi by the name of now he lived from pre-islam he's one of these these people that reaches an incredibly long life but what's interesting is way before islam in jail pre-islamic arabia he has an incredible reputation okay he is from uh tamim from banu tamim and he has the this reputation of of what they call helm

which is this composure and mixed with wisdom and he's the kind of guy that people turn to and it's phenomenal because he not only had such a legacy in jahili in pre-islamic arabia but even in islam he reached islam and embraced islam and he had a phenomenal legacy within islam as well and he's one of the few people that managed to do that his name was

from the tribe of tamim and it's amazing and and i thought that since we spoke about legacy to show that he actually came from or arose out of these ashes in like the phoenix rising which was a past of his that was horrible he was one of those people that actually buried their daughters alive and some say he was one of the most known as in whether some have even said maybe he began the tradition but i don't i don't know if that's true but he as a figure like as somebody

because bani tamim were kind of rated and he was one of the like wow the the sajid one of these huge people of bani tamin he did this as a young man and look at the the most vicious thing to do you know to to bury an innocent beautiful child alive in the sun and allah says about this

that when this child will be asked why was she killed with which crime this verse being exemplified instantiated by this person in this kind of darkness and you can imagine that that guilt must have killed him carrying that kind of shadow around with you and he rose from this

and he went on to to to kind of deny certain lifestyles upon himself he was one of those people way before islam to just on himself prohibit alcohol he declared it haram for himself and he was he became incredibly generous and he was very kind of he had this composure about him that people rated him for the whole of banu tamim would look up to him and he and he was also known in battles

as well but he was when he developed this kind of composure it was just this he had this aura about him that carried such a reputation and in islamic literature there's a personality known as who is also from bani tamim and he is you know when people would say historically who is the most poetic of people who is the most uh knowledgeable of people who is the most so there was a saying that men that who is

the most well composed of arabs and they had the saying is this is in islamic times that al-ahmad and he was known for this and he was somebody that when um the whole fighting broke out initially the the of the battle of the camel he withdrew and didn't take sides with anyone not would say nali but he just kind of withdrew his whole thing and he was he was known and he was asked where did you learn this composure from and he says i as a young man he says i i learned it from

uh he says one day i was at his place and he says and two young men were brought in one had been one was dead and the other had been kind of all captured and he says and we were astounded that what's this and and he says in the dead one it turned out was kaiser asim's son and the one that was now kind of captured was his nephew and he says and i look to him like thinking what's about to happen here

like all hell's going to break and this is the sage this is somebody who mean were already one of those people that kind of that used to boast about their strength and and i've mentioned this before you know they they were one of these tribes that have this about them you know we're the dawns of the arabs and um and he's they say he's and i'm not just saying this even in in the year of delegation he approaches the prophet in the ninth year of hijri so much later he approaches the prophet in this delegation of banu tamin and the prophet says to him he says

he says welcome to say it he says says you know because the the nomadic kind of arabs that moved about were called and he says this is the sayyid of them the leader of all of those that's how he was he was very so ahnaf says when i looked at case i thought damn you know like i don't know what's going to happen here and he says this man was so composed he says he looked at them and he obviously expressed grief over his son being killed

and he says he he said to the people let go of the other one like like release him they released him and he said to him that what have you done he said you only hurt yourself and you hurt your own immediate family this was his own cousin he said you decreased your strength because of this crime like you this was your cousin this is your immediate kind of back up and

and he says and you've just you know brought tears to his loved ones and then he says that he says to him he says to the people around and to this murderer that he says to who's his nephew that he says help wash him and shroud him and then he says that to the people that were around that the blood money for this he says take it like obviously because he had wealth he says take it and go to his mother because his mother had was in a

different place staying somewhere else that particular child's mother was obviously his wife maybe she was separated from him at the time from pace he says and give her that blood money because he says that she already is lonely and it was like so many camels and and all this stuff this composure enough was saying i was bewildered by it i was like i couldn't even get my like what on earth have i just witnessed never have i seen people that composed

and he it was said about him this is what that he banu tamim and especially his immediate kind of sub clan were all kind of held up by this guy and when he passes away he gives like some amazing advice to to his to his kind of sons he gathers them and he tells them and this is it his whole advice is about ethics about reminding them about goodness and reminding them to keep calm in the face of adversity and he there was a poem said about him

when he passed away that somebody this there's a poet uh abda may allah's mercy be on you that you've passed away he says that he says place his passing away was not just the

passing away of an individual it is the foundation of a building that foundation of a whole people that has collapsed allah and that is you know this was defined as later poets like who we've spoken about in previous uh sessions he said this was the arthel baits the best kind of eulogizing poem that a poem said about somebody that's passed away the

best line ever said that the arabs ever said [Music] okay his destruction was not the destruction or his passing was not of just one person but it is the foundation of a a whole people that has kind of given way and people are like that sometimes sometimes we spoke just earlier on about family members about parents

sometimes a parent can be like that they hold an entire family together that their passing everything gives way see it's amazing seeing that and such a and it also is a testimony to the legacy that these people leave behind right yeah so speaking of in his time see one of the things is interesting because he says uh

he says when he's being when he's past when he when he's passing away just before he's like on his deathbed says don't bury me in the land of uh which was part of he says because you know in my days he says in my days we basically we kind of we were at loggerheads we you know we participated in some wars and he says and i don't want them kind of just you know mutilating my grave because there was in many years before

rabia in jahili times had this huge battle with tamim there was uh they had a huge tip you know tiff going on because also these solid arabs proper like you know relentless in their way and from them the sub clans these kind of bachrib and banu taglib and all these people that we've spoken of and speaking of that and in his time as his kind of contemporary or just actually senior to him would have been

somebody by the name of barack so who was people for this i think i need to one moment i need to pour myself i think a little drink oh oh oh

all right i gotta wait for that tool too much fizz in that it's probably a sign okay that's all right i like it i like it i like it there you go that's good enough all right so let me just put this down

right now people who was barack we've spoken previously of the great kind of battled in pre-islam and we spoke of zir salim and the haribol basu which lasted for 40 years zer salim obviously whilst they're young and his older brother kuleb which triggers that whole thing there he would have been their cousin as in the uncle's son or i think some people put him as their uncle

and others have said his son their son but much older than them though there was this person by the name of barack ibn but they they are there as well but he's just senior to them in age he was somebody that was not only one of the most epic poets of um of arabia in his time one of them but he was an outstanding kind of warrior outstanding and you know very kind of noble as well you know we spoke previously of these salik and we spoke of these fat tucks some of these people on this crazy like psychopaths

they just approach someone and say all right get ready i'm gonna kill you it's like what he was he was like a very noble person and kind of rated this guy he was from that tribe of rabia yeah and they all rated him and he was specifically from tulip but obviously ultimately they're all part of rabia now what happens is he in his he falls in love as one does with

uh with a woman from his tribe known as leila bint lucas so leila she's also known as leila fifa the modest layla and the and i will come to why she was called modest but he he obviously falls in love with her she falls in love with him this becomes a kind of like a proper that and everybody in banuta live knows about this and he remember he's a don he's like what somebody people feel proud that he's part of their tribe that's how so nobody's got a problem with the love story here this love story this one this one all good man all good so uh

now right so what happens is the father lucas obviously speaks to is related to uh he's related to him as well in the tribe they're all kind of related and he says it's kind of known it's one of those things that it's putative like without being expressed people know he's going to marry her and even the father of laila al-afifa he's cool with it he's like hmm yeah in fact when it's mentioned publicly he even says yeah yeah of course they're

going to marry everybody knows they're in love man the law the law the law so right so it's all happy days for this person until what happens is you know how you have social media today in that day and age you had the kind of people who would spread news as well it was either through poems often through poems sometimes just you had the gossipers you know like the the armpies they had their fish here of neighborhood aunties as well it's like oh

oh oh oh proper falcon eyed vision and so what happens is layla was incredibly beautiful so people knew that about it i mean her beauty was kind of known so people started talking about it so you know somebody said oh you know from oh my god from that from rabia oh my god leila she's so beautiful and she's so wow so people are speaking about this so this news somehow reaches the the royalty in southern arabia so one of the the kings

of the southern arabian tribes it reaches him somehow through people you know as like as time goes by he hears so now that it reaches the royal courtyards so you see royalty they rub shoulders with royalty so you know they're kind of like chatting so now it becomes news in the royal circles that this apparently you know people praised the beauty of some mormon leila pinch uh you know look haze okay lately they catch easy so he gets curious so as it happens the

there's an as it happens it coincides with uh an occasion where leila's father locates he is traveling to southern arabia on some trade and he goes into that part where this king is and because they had the kind of the hammer kind of kingdoms and stuff so he goes there and he's uh he's trading and he's in that royal courtyard thing and he's kind of and the person says oh is this this person he says oh he said i've got a business with you yeah it says beginners say our business he says why should we resort to the office

says to him look listen i've got better than all this business deal got a better offer for you he says what's that he says are you the father of laila and so on says oh i'd like to marry her so and some people say he was trying to marry her to his son but whoever but he puts a proposal so the father says you know but she's going to marry barack

but then then again this is royalty huh royalty is royalty man he's like royalty is royalty bank balance here so he says you know what it's a deal dearly our dear dear dear dear so now he comes back and he comes back to bonita lip he's is the way they live and they lived in around uh these people in the kind of nudged region of arabia so he comes back and and he tells

you know like some people ask him oh so what happened you know somebody comes back from their journey and they've got stuff and say how did it go and he says yes oh i've also by the way set up uh my the marriage from leila with you know the king so some people say ah i thought she's engaged to barack he said oh well you know now now i've said it now so this news now reaches barack so barack obviously he's like you gotta be you gotta be this uh some there's gotta be a joke he goes straight to the dad

lukay's and says look some people are saying this this can't be true that you know you've because and the dad says well my son you're right i had said she would marry you but you know what it is what it is he said that look he proposed and to be fair i think that's noble it's better for her that she marries royalty i haven't got nothing against you my child he's like it's not you

right you're good man good man but he better even gooder man so he says you know what i'm he says he's royalty at the end of the day and you know i think he'll be better for her future so barack is fuming fuming he says that this obviously he says you know what i'm he says i'm asking you to reconsider he says no he says forget this he goes straight finds leila

he says to layla he says do you know this is what your dad has said so she says i've heard as well he says well this is nonsense you and i are going to elope we're going to elope the good old dulhania this is the good old ddlj right so the classic shahrukh khan so he says to her that we're leaving and we're leaving right now you're going to elope with me and you know what the best part is

nobody's going to stop me and and fair play nobody would stop barack i mean he's he's like the the rated absolute warrior of whole of rabiah i mean nobody would be that stupid so he says look nobody's gonna stop us and you and i are leaving right now i guess what people guess what this is a true story so guess what she says way before dilwale dolenya leijange was written she's she says that dialogue that kajal is going to say

millennia later in bollywood she says she says that this will bring shame to my father allah says that only with the blessings of my dad can i get married i will not run away and bring shame on to my family said i can't do that she says i i love you pero

no puerto you know this is i can't this one knows possibly i can't bring shame onto my family you've taken care of me they don't look at the see this confusion in the loyalties you know the loyalties so obviously barack is he's just completely heartbroken because he says look this isn't fear this was the one thing i wanted and everybody knew it and just because i'm not super rich they married you off and she isn't even running away with me because she doesn't

want to hurt and it's not like he wants to hurt their family either because they are ultimately good with him and he's good with them so heartbroken in this way that he is he switches from dilwale to devdas and he sets off for the mountains on his own with his alcohol and this is it he doesn't want to you know what he's heartbroken he says i don't want to know the world bar all of you go to hell

and he just he just becomes this recluse momentarily he's completely gone he's just on his own doesn't want to meet people doesn't want to days go by and the days turn to weeks to you know months what happens is tribal fighting breaks out because tribal fighting at that time anything could trigger it and from the northern kingdoms there was uh there was there were certain tribes known as the

so people probably all heard of very famous generous person we'll speak about him another time pre-islamic but he's from that tribe of so they were in the northern kingdoms and we spoke of previously they have this fight which breaks out against uh arabia so and especially against the these uh you know uh bonnie taglib and uh and all these people so so this fighting breaks out but as i mentioned previously are such a large number of arabs so large that are if you remember last time we

said that when people were asked who are the majority of the arabs they said masha'atha as well those of you that recall a hadith that the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam said that in the end of times they oh he's not end of times he said a time will come when uh peace will prevail or seek or safety will prevail that a woman will be able to come from the northern kingdom all

the way to visit the kaaba without being harassed like she will come on her own this is also used by scholars to say that look women can travel on there's nothing wrong with that it was a safety issue but the narrator of the hadith and this is in bukhari he says and i thought to myself when the prophet said that so what about the what about the tribe of date because the tribe of fate were ruthless for being bandits they were these kind of like bandits along the way that would always harass people so you got this kind of bandit kind of culture and these huge numbers

they combine and they've attacked rabia and there's this fighting going on and rabia are getting rinsed they are getting slaughtered just because of the it's a numbers game like for every hundred they've got like a thousand they've got ridiculous numbers and they're just slaughtering and slow and these people are just dying so what happens people start thinking we is barrack

where's our warrior our don he's that bachara dukhi atma he's in the mountains just on his own so they send people please please join us please please he says look get lost get lost i'm not joining you i'm not joining you i don't want anything to do with any of you guys you guys you know it's like you only want he he you only have a purpose like from people it's just selfish people that's all you are and so he doesn't join and they continue

to be getting and so what happens is this warfare lasts for considerable months and it would have certain interim breaks so whilst this is going on people are worried that oh we're going to get you know we're going to get obviously looted by these you know northern kingdoms the northern tribes they're going to be killing us our numbers you know they're reducing our numbers they're taking our women they're doing all this taking slaves so during this location thinks that you know what i might might as well send leila to be married because

right now the way this is going we're all going to get killed and she's you know obviously either going to get killed or enslaved and so i might as well so he sends a message and and the southern arab king says the yemeni king he says yes of course we're ready sender we want to get you know get let's get this wedding going so so whilst that king says that there's this news in the royal you see because each platform when you're on social media you're being followed by your equal your peers see

celebrities follow celebrities isn't it it's like that the celebrities are not going to be following you like normal people so the kings rub shoulders with kings and they keep up to date with each other's news so now this king in yemen starts preparing for a marriage and says yes you know all this you know this beautiful stunning woman is coming laila la fifa and the reason they call her la fifa is some people say the modest because she refused to run away with barrack and she you know she and she had this effect this modesty for a family some people say that's the cause why they call it that

but this news spreads from kingdom to kingdom like the kings here that oh yeah that yemeni king is is doing this so whilst this news is spreading it spreads to the northern kingdoms as well they hear that oh by the way there's a wedding and that's going to take place in the coming weeks of that king so it reaches the sassanid empire the persian king he he is because the persian and the yemeni kings had a we'll speak about this another time in pre-islamic arabia they had very close ties that the assassinated empire and the the yemeni kingdoms the southern arabian

kingdoms had a close tie with each other and this is why there were a lot of persians that were settled and they were called the abner because they were sent there by the empire but anyway so the persian king finds out so whilst he's he's asking about her people start really glorifying her beauty they say oh you know but this woman laila fifa oh

miss world oh miss world ain't got anything on her so this persian king thinks he's like this that pretty so he gets a bit stirred yeah so what happens is he obviously has contact with people and he says you know what hmm i wonder if i could if we could get her so now this incentive has been put out there so whilst this is happening locates is

preparing his daughter leila to send her to the yemeni king and they're going to go from nudged down south towards yemen so whilst they're going there is a tribe that's that was often in between which was from yad now yet if you remember we spoke previously that from adnan you're going to have the main branches that come down were these alleged brothers there were these four so you've got mother which and from and i'll bring bring it up i may actually have a picture of it yep there it is uh you can see it there that is coming down from adnan you've got

from nizar you're going to have these four brothers starting on the right hand side mudder which is going to be quraysh and all these people khaiz ailan and bonita meme and all these people and then you're going to have rabia which we've spoken of and coming from them and all of these but another brother was yad and another one was enma so yad this tribe was a lot of them were settled in that middle region and yeah bani yard had an affiliation with the sassanid dynasty so they were often seen as an affiliate tribe to the

persian kingdom so they got news that the kisrad the king is interested in this layla so when she's coming through the desert they kidnap her so leila gets kidnapped so leila fifa is kidnapped now by yeah to transport her all the way to persia and she is now in front of the kisrah the king of the sassanid empire he's like he's like i i'm king he's like welcome

i am king ice king [Laughter] so so what happens is you see but you know and this was like i mentioned that the arabs generally and especially some tribes like rabia and bono they always had this self-pride remember they were very strong fighter people and it's a misunderstanding to assume that women were weak the women were equally strong i mean they may not have been always fighting but they were a very proud women people as well they weren't this kind of

like subdued kind of like they were very kind of confident and very outspoken as well they would so sometimes people think back thinking they like these kind of rural quiet village women that were like anybody told them shut up and they just shut they were nothing like that you know these were not these were like some you're dealing with some proper or from warrior clan kind of women so leila gets taken in front of the sassanid king and he says [Laughter] very beautiful this one

so he says look you're very lucky you know reverse psychology you're very lucky that i've decided to marry you so she says that ain't gonna happen and he says to her like sadly what this one my ear no used to hearing no he says to you better watch yourself and she says very clearly that look she says what are you gonna do

you're gonna kill me you're gonna torture me she says you're gonna force me and rape me is this what you're gonna do says like but you can't have me i refuse and if you're gonna if you if you're if you are that low of a man that you have to force yourself to be with me then what kind of a king are you these aren't true man there's an ego huh ego a male eagle and then on top of the male you got a king eagle

obviously now you see remember people of position and people of power it's a huge insult to them that they have to rape a woman like that is such an insult to them because they're thinking look i'm this person that everybody wants me if i have to force a woman like look how denigrating and insulting that is to my reputation it's like the legend of the world some kind of celebrity superstar that all women want to be with and he's trying to be with a woman and if he has to force her can you can you

imagine that like you see in because in the king's ego this is like that's something like she ought to be dying to be with me i can't like i can force her but that's you know that's not kingly to do that so he says okay torture her so he has a locked up so so what happened somebody said kisrah simped so hard after yeah he's megahertz because you know then the thing is this you know psychology the thing you can't have

this you pursue with even with even more vigor like you want it that much more now that why can't i have it so she's now imprisoned in this courtyard so i mean in this not courtyard but in this palace there's a place where they've kind of got because they don't put her in a prisoner's cell because she's a woman beautiful woman and remember he's still hoping they're going to convince her so although he's torturing her but not in that sense torture like like obviously they're roughing her up and maybe she's being denied food and then maybe they're slapping her around occasionally and

that kind of stuff and she's in these kind of like with the servant quarters she's having to stay there and a prisoner against her will so whilst this is happening her family back you see you pause this and you go back to rabiah so the war is still going on they're being attacked by the northern tribes and and the father doesn't know anything's happened right so he doesn't know he thinks she's got married to the southern king the southern king thinks that oh because there's a war going on

the father still hasn't sent her because they're not stable enough to send her so nobody knows she's missing so nobody's looking for her because let's say the yemeni king knew then maybe he could have kind of fro with a royal kind of open the channel of communication with kisrah and said look you know i said kisrah this one not nice

he could have probably said this but nobody knows so everybody is thinking leila is in the other place so they're thinking leila is there in yemen yemen are thinking with the tribe and so the war still meanwhile it's going on rinsing um somebody said i wonder if it was common for the ancient uh persians and arabians to be multilingual those were many of them were that had close alliances the ones who had alliances often were so and hence you see certain farsi words

creep into arabic as well because of the them being used so much all right so whilst this is happening the northern tribes like are rinsing they make a mistake you know sometimes people make a mistake by trying to be good see they realize they also have heard of the reputation of barrack they think don huh daddy this one daddy daddy don so they don't wanna

they didn't wanna mess with him to be honest because they knew a lot of their soldiers and a lot of their people they just have a fear in their hearts about him but they were really glad he had abstained from this war because it gave their soldiers much more courage so what happens is they one of them out of this happiness decides to send him a gift to say thank you for abstaining

your ethics ethics so this gift comes to barack is this kind of soul ranger solo he's going solo in the mountains dave dust mode he's like just him he's alcohol he's not doesn't want to speak to people he has a little you know he's he has a little kind of crew that are around with him and they just live together suddenly they get this gift they're like what's this about they go oh this is from

they're like why they go no they're thanking you he goes why are they thanking me he go they go no because you're abstained this hits him like an insult that wow you know that because remember he was a very dignified person that is he thought is this the propaganda that you guys are are you know or that you guys are spreading that i'm in cahoots with you he's like you guys it's like who the hell are you

so he says to his uh people that you know what take he says take these gifts back and tell them to forget the gifts i am coming her eyes coming [Laughter] boy this sent tremors obviously this had rabia got so when they heard the news they were jumping in joy because you know sometimes it's just the person you know

see sometimes a person holds people together serves as the social clue his presence just knowing that he's there it mobilizes people and this news served it catalyzed the strength in panira and they started to fight and and he comes and he joins them and this fighting is taking place and and all of a sudden the spirit stop you know the opposing tribes can feel it and they start to back off so this is going on

so they eventually come to a truce so this is what's happening but we've got to pause this for a moment we're going to go back to the palace man the palace royal palace in the royal courtyard oh sorry royal court laila fifa it's been weeks and months now she refuses to give herself to the sassanid king and this is like an insult but she's like one of the servants like that she's wandering around you know doing stuff cleaning whatever she comes across she's outside the

palace because they have to obviously work with certain animals as well and stuff but this is in persia and she sees a shepherd this kind of like nomad guy that looks like an arab because you wouldn't really get my arabs over the so sh she calls out to him and she says are you an arab and he says yeah

and he says i'm from such and such tribe like some northern tribe she says have you heard of barack ibn rohan and he goes have i heard of barack who hasn't heard of barack obama she says could you do me a favor and get this poem to him so the guy says she goes it's neces it's a must please get this poem to barack she says all right so she says this line of this poem she says that these few

lines are like ala leita little if only what i am facing from in torment from torment and tears so she says and it goes on she mentions certain things she says uh about uh

she she says that you can chain me that that that you know chain me torment me punish me whatever you want to do but i will never kind of give myself to you and she expresses that in the face of this i've already accepted death so this this poem now she says sends this tells this guy this poem she doesn't say who she is she just says like you know say this poem i mean she's sorry she does say that you can if he asks this leila but say this poem you have to say this poem

now this reaches bani taglib and reaches barak barrack is gobsmacked that wait a minute i thought she's in yemen with this king she's married she's a slave by kisrah the persian king he goes absolutely wild he says that you know what here and now i'm rallying a cry against who check this out

against kisrah i'm rallying a cry against kisrah obviously his tribe and bunny rabia they rally around him anyway because he is who he is and in her poem she had actually addressed her tribe and neighboring tribes saying that shame on you all that a woman is taken and you guys uh you know just can do nothing about it so their tribe rally around him he mobilizes them says let's march up towards this palace let's go we're going

north and this news reaches out to other tribes and you know it's interesting that at this point they send a they send this poem where he addresses mother from where tribes like banu tamim and even quraysh are from the quraysh are not at this part of arabia there in makkah but you have tribes like banita meme who are fighter tribes they were known for fighting but they send this message to mother and rabia i hate mother and vice versa but they say that you know mother

that if you don't stand up for this then shame on you that an arab woman could be snatched and you know you just basically because of your differences you don't kind of rise and they say that if you don't find but shame on you and he obviously mobilizes arabia and they move up to their amazement met several sub-tribes of mother joined the expedition just because of this thing that it hit them that wait a minute that this persian kingdom okay we we hate each other but they have you know that this is how weak they think we are that we wouldn't

do anything this is one of the few occasions ever in pre-islamic arabia where these diverse tribes actually were united under a cause and that to such a noble cause and they attack the sassanid uh that sassanid fort and that palace now remember the sassanid kings didn't know the king didn't know this was about to happen so when they come hundreds and hundreds of them they obviously they start fighting and these soldiers try to fight but these guys were ruthless bunny were like ruthless fighters anyway and then you had tamim joined them and

all the this is one of the times they fight side by side that the they actually the the persian soldiers many of them are killed and the other is just kind of like crappy like they think like what the hell is going on who's he how are we under siege so many of them flee because they just they just it comes as such a shocking surprise so they enter they get into the palace and lo and behold barack frees layla fifa and he brings her back and obviously this is seen as one of the most uh like

pride worthy moments of pre-islamic arabia and and his uh and the whole tribe obviously the father included they marry him off it's one of those uh happy endings that you have to this love story love barrack and it's amazing and this legacy lives on much after them in generations and reaches people obviously this is like over a hundred years before islam this is over that so but the the story lives on that this was the

one of the few ever occasions where it has happened on one other occasion as well but few ever occasions where the arabs attacked the sassanids and defeated them and it was and that too they united so many rival factions of tribes that hated each other under a noble cause that resulted in a happy ending and a marriage

otherwise fantastic i had to share that with you guys so so this these are the kind of people so there you go people love it can have its happy ending so that's way before any of these stories were written it's amazing you know when you read these things it brings like a more flavored nuance to islam because islam emerges then in what nested in this history and you start to see how all of a sudden different colors

and flavors and it's amazing i invite everyone to really uh implore people to study islamic pre-islamic uh history right okay many died for leila alaila yeah layla was a um somebody said sounds made up i mean you see you'd think that but this is it often you know often that reality can be stranger more bewildering than fiction but many of these things have happened

as well this incident did happen i mean maybe certain things obviously we can't verify for a fact but it was a something passed down and celebrated so often like this individual was well known and his love for leila was well known and the struggle for their marriage was something that became iconic and passed down through generations yeah right let's uh it's getting incredibly late what the heck what time is it let me see you know what i might just take on one guest should we take on one two guests call it a wrap sounds like troy yep

they could make an epic i think they may have like an old arabic movie about it or something but not nothing well made i think they could make these into epic stories honestly it would be it'd be wonderful to to watch these well made and it'd be a great way to learn [Laughter] yeah right okay i've shared the link uh somebody sent a super chat whilst i shared that i'll check for some super chats mm-hmm

i can't oh right uh right i've shared the link i see saracen you're doing it yeah you're doing it much love for the super chat once again um mufti should we keep our ego checked macedonian king alexander muhammad ali called themselves the greatest and went on conquering the world in their own way but both succumbed to illness early

now that's all right okay i think if there is a fine balance between self-belief and self-delusion and arrogance and i think the distinction is sometimes in saying simply we can see it manifest in these two sentences distinguished by only a word

first being i can do this that is your belief in you in parallel to only i can do this that's delusions of grandeur and a sense of arrogance i think self-belief in greatness is important because each and every one of us is great some perhaps more great than others but we all have greatness within us

maybe we don't actualize its potential maybe there's many things that we've left we've not managed to potentially like to actualize to individuate how we truly could have but i think we should embrace greatness and but this you see the narrative of the quran keeping that in mind that the greatness is there and wanting that there's nothing wrong with that

allah see greatness wants great there's nothing wrong in wanting it because it is a noble greatness yusuf ali salaam says you know the person's thinking about the problems of the kingdom make me the treasurer i'm somebody incredibly knowledgeable allah but how do they nest that they nest in this is the quranic this is

the the amazing quranic narrative that it tells you to embrace the greatness but nests it in this gratitude to god narapi see my lord has given me this so i think and you're right it could be at times they could be a very thin rope that people are walking and they may fall into grandeur in fact muhammad ali in an interview himself he says that he says my illness is one of the best things that happened to me because

he says it reminded me that god is the greatest and not me and i i think muhammad ali was an amazing you know may allah bless him a you know just a super human being of this of our of our times so but i mean this is what he said that he felt that obviously we don't know what he felt within but he says that he felt that he had become deluded or deluded a strong word but conceited self-conceited by saying that this greatness but can this happen you can see this happening

and i think it's good to remind ourselves and this is why sometimes it's good to you know the imposter syndrome i think at times this is a good blessing but to be obviously consumed by that is is that would be a pathology but otherwise the the impostor syndrome it's good at times to to have that honestly i seriously well i have i share this with you that there's been you know there will be times i'll think to myself honestly i'll think to myself that um

i'm just leveling with you just being honest like i will think that like i'll be i'll be hit by that this impostor syndrome at times that you know that what do i actually know like what is it that like i don't really like is this just a facade is this just an ego that i've that that i've kind of perpetuated of knowing something of being let's say a mufti of having all this knowledge and information like really what is it like i don't what do i actually know i don't really know anything that's of

much weight and and i think at times of at times having that i think is a good thing obviously if it becomes a constant it's a pathology you know it's a sickness then a psychological sickness but just cons just some punctuations of it here and there it's it's it's good it's humbling because it reminds you and i think that's important but then at the same time when it's not there a person should i think embrace greatness and should aim for it you know that

the aim for the stars that as it's been said that if you miss at least you'll land on the moon i love that because it's that's what you want to do you want to aim like that but just nest it in your gratitude to god you know alhamdulillah that you know look what allah has given me and if he's given me this he'll give me exponentially more but

remember that like a mantra like if you are grateful i will increase so remember that i'll share the link again we've got some people i think already right let me take out my earphones all right can all passengers please fasten their seatbelt right so who have we got here we've got um okay a few people already waiting all right doing it let me just shall we uh jawad we've got jawad first

of all let me bring on imam jawad assalamu alaikum [Music] i know i was just thinking about what you were saying right now about how you were saying uh about greatness right and i think sometimes when we imagine greatness we make a mistake and what i

mean by we make a mistake is we think of greatness as the people who are known the people who are at the forefront like the big examples but there are a lot of people who manifest greatness but they're not very well known and sometimes you find that those are the people who are behind such great people and what i mean by that is they are the mentors they are the teachers they are the like a like the greatness a

a parent could be manifesting in the in nurturing and upbringing a child for example you mean in in this kind of yeah that's just coming to my mind when you're saying that not just child but it could be in general regular teachers and teachers of course i mean as an example that was just one instance but yeah so things in yeah that's so well said no shukran for saying that because you're absolutely right and and that's also like in the hadith that in allah that god has written this kind of perfect perf this grace of perfection fi could in everything that whatever you

do like if you're going to fold your cl you know put away your clothes put them away by by folding them and tidying them away that there is a grace a a grace of perfection to it and yeah so no i think i'm i'm really glad you you said that yeah so i was just thinking about that and then i was thinking sometimes i think in fact it's actually greater if you're not known than if you are known because that has its own benefits right 100 like for example if you you just look at it on a small scale if you are a known

for example a quran a quran or a quran teacher maybe everyone says muslim is a quran teacher and all this but maybe if people don't know you and you're nurturing all these young children you're making you're helping them you know become better reciters understand the quran and teach it forward and nobody knows you right sometimes that could be a way of protection from you know getting that mindset of oh look at me i'm so great i'm being said hundred percent yeah right it definitely pure it definitely um has creates a

a more healthier environment for keeping sincerity at the heart of it because i think i was just speaking about this yesterday with um actually i was speaking to um javad as well dr um hashimi from um from harvard and uh i've had him on a mind trap previously now we were just speaking about many things actually and amongst them this kind of came up and this whole thing of you see you become

because on on many occasions it can be subconscious as well that people can become victims or enslaved to a um to a system and the the system doesn't have to be actual it could be you know abstract system in the sense that and it could be things like social media it could be an online system it could be that you create you see because it it links in with biological markers like if you're like let's say i check something and there's a a reward because i get a lot of likes on a photo i post then that releases

dopamine now you see now if i don't get that tomorrow you see i feel a lack of something and now i i'm chasing it now even if i'm trying to be sincere but i've already become enslaved by a system and we were actually talking also about crowds and followings and it's interesting how that you see especially as a like as an imam or a religious person uh that that speaks and teaches you your crowd can start

they can start exercising control on you albeit unconsciously because a person plays out to the crowd because the crowd will if you want something and you know a good thing of this is one of my professors when i uh was studying psychology he he said this that they what their actual class did in psychology as an experiment on the professor of psychology so what they did without him knowing so the professor this is too much psychology going on yeah this is what they did is they decided that this half

of the the the kind of hall so they had them in the university that side and this side just just seating this half is going to not make eye contact with the professor when he's talking so he's on the stage and he's kind of standing there they never had a podium he would just stand there and just kind of lecture and they're not going to make eye contact they're just going to look down either at the textbooks or look somewhere else or but they're listening but not really looking and that side will always look at him so what happens is the professor and he doesn't know about this this is obviously they've just decided this the

students he because when he's talking like he's looking at these these guys these guys are not looking back and he's talking now he looks at them and they're looking so what happens is he spent most of the entire lecture on this side of the stage this side just looking at these people without even knowing he's you see they have even though they had planned it sorry he was looking at the side that was looking at and not just looking he had walked over to that side of the stage unconsciously like whilst he's talking so

because people gravitate to attention this is it's it's just psychology within us we do that unconsciously if we see attention we gravitate to it so if i'm talking now you're looking at me now if there's a person here and i'm talking he's not looking i'm naturally going to engage with the one that is looking so the the professor unconsciously gravitated towards that side of the stage and spent the that the most of that lecture there on that side as opposed to being in the middle or where he normally you know or on the other side or being equal walking around and this goes to show that we

subconsciously do this and there's many experiments on this and you see imams maulana's scholars it's the same thing that you see you get a certain crowd that could be in a certain way and and then you can't you don't have your freedom or your sincerity can sometimes become compromised unfortunately yeah so that that this was i think it's a very important topic i think to your point when i first started like giving a football or anything like publicly speaking um you know um whether the crowd was

engaging or not was one of the things that used to play in my mind right like if someone pulled out a phone or something that would become a concern for me especially early on because i would think oh maybe i'm not doing such a good job you're doing your job but that is so human you know i'm gonna absolutely you know i'm gonna level with you that this you know when imam sab obviously and this is i suppose i'll say this openly to people but since you you're saying that just to kind of uh that of myself to echo that you know

when earlier this summer when i taken a break from social media and i um part of that was i ended up kind of taking this path of deepening my kind of consciousness yeah my understanding and when i was i thought to myself i'm not going to do any social media for a while whatever a couple of months i didn't do anything and i found myself on a total different plane of consciousness and i thought that look when i want to do something i want to do something different i want to do something meaningful i want to come back and do this and do that like like what i'm doing this show meaning with mom

but you know when i started and even whilst i was away i was getting a lot of messages people were leaving comments on my social media they were saying things they were messaging me almost you need to come back and and there were many people that didn't kind of like this this kind of because they just wanted entertainment yeah and it meant in turn that i was going losing added subscribership so like the kind of subs you know people subscribing the added numbers start to rapidly decrease here now i have to say that you know that's the

time i saw this come up like as an ego i i saw it manifest and and i have to say i felt if i'm going to be honest i felt it like and i felt it like it kind of hit me with it it brings its pains with it a pain that you feel that oh my god i'm you know this is going down numbers you see this is an incredible thing about numbers decreasing and the impact it has and and i thought to myself and this you know you get this is where you get that those what's was it and the people would be like you know and and i i thought to myself oh maybe maybe you know you get these whispers

and i thought maybe and and then i remembered that look is this isn't this the very thing that i would criticize and condemn that you know a person ought to always speak with their passion do where they go with their heart is even if it isn't even if it means a loss and and i have to say by taking that step it really once you take it that ego thing kind of just it kind of dissipated yeah it's just discipline and you accept it and it's there's such a peace in that in income but it's strange because you still you'll notice it still like you'll

notice it and you'll be like well but now you're completely like ambivalent to it yeah exactly like now if i ever see somebody like like the same thing now like if i were to see it now like somebody like gets distracted or something i just okay he got distracted that's none of my business you know i just need to focus on my message and the people who will the people who will take something good away from it and you know i always remember the um story of uh the sufi uh baazid bastami

so so when so when badazeed was a child he used to so basically says this to one of uh you know his students he says that you know when i was a child i used to think when i grow older i'm going to change the whole entire world i'm going to change everyone and then by as it says that as i grew older i started to realize in my teenage years the world is too big i can't change the world it's a great realization

so he said you know i'll change sort of like what we would today call a country right so he said i'll change this whole continent and then he grew a bit older and then realized the content is too the continent is too big too so he as he kept growing older and older and older and older and as he reached his old age uh says that i should have just changed myself just changed myself instead of worrying about others there is a beauty in that recognition though there is a beauty so you know i i just love that when i read it because i realized you

know before worrying about if other people are taking the messages and the lessons or not it's whether i believe in what i'm speaking about and whether i'm taking away from it right so if i'm speaking about for example purification of the heart what am i taking away from that you know lecture sermon and then am i applying it because it's five percent because if i'm preaching something and i'm not and i don't believe in it or i'm not applying it then what's the use right it's as useless as me not giving it at all right i might

as well not give it at all that's it and yeah and and the person really you know follow your passion yeah and and and and that's and it is difficult you're right i think it becomes more difficult in a world where everybody's observing you because it's so easy to become a victim of um you know the glance and then to become you know the glance is it's i i think there could just be like an incredible lecture on just the glance in and of itself and the power of the glance isn't it it's it's amazing

because once something comes into at a quantum level it changes reality you know just by glancing the electron behaves differently once it becomes observed the copenhagen right up to the you could the divine you know where we become once we become cognizant of being under the glance how how we our behavior changes and everything in between [Laughter] it's amazing i think wow yeah yeah for sure yeah just oh i think just last point on me of

course because of just in relation to your title your title for the live stream was your legacy awaits so just last point on this of course just for the for myself as a reminder and then for the audience that just remember that your legacy does not mean that it has to be known for the whole entire world and it also does not mean that your legacy has to be specifically in a public eye you can have a legacy that you leave behind that only affects 10 families but

it leaves such a mark that it changes those amazing families it's not about how many people yeah you change it's about the quality yeah if you can change one person yourself even that in and of itself is a legacy wow that is so i'm so allah i'm so glad you said that because it is so uh it's so important to caveat that whole thing with this statement because a legacy should not be conflated with populism

with this sense of uh numbers of an audience the quantity of an audience or even being celebr you see the whole thing about a legacy is it something after you isn't it so subset the first thing is you're removed from the equation so if you're gone at that point it doesn't matter at that stage how many people are clicking like or how many people are upset that you uh you know you you followed a particular path in life or it doesn't matter that's because you're

gone so wow i'm really glad you said that shukran as always as always and just using that man a positive vibe so take him and laughs as always um just just beaming um positivity and love

so somebody said let me just see a my dad has that mariam my dad has the habit to put preachers on loudspeakers saying so many questions and okay i thought that was a i think you're just responding to someone else jawad was absolutely dropping gems hell yeah right we've got here uh lucy wind jones all right lucy okay can you can you hear me loud and clear okay i just said like once i was on a zoo meeting on this computer and i know like i needed to adjust the volume so i

could be heard so no we can hear you it's doing it look at that the gamer headset gamer settings are right there yeah here's um here's an old atlas i'd like to show you the world pocket atlas okay yeah i'd like to yeah i'm just opening it up to show you how where it dates when it dates back to and a few pages from it so okay sure dates back to 1944 wow okay okay yeah wow i i know like i know like i know i've got a feeling this is this like some research is about to just be kind

of absolutely unveiled to the world in a moment so what's the research lucy what what have you been doing okay well i know like i know like i can show you two controversial topics both on the issue of countries coming and going country splitting like a la home elect and yeah and i know like it i've got i've got here the example of of just palestine being on the map no israel oh yeah yes from 1944 yes yeah so this was like before the nakba before all

those uh yeah and and his his uh yeah here's a few other countries i'm trying to try and get it near the camera it's like saudi i can see saudi it doesn't say saudi arabia it just says is arabia yeah okay yeah it just says in orange down south oh yes of course because it's from the 40s of course yes yeah and it the the map looks very different than it does today qatar was probably not even a country no it would yeah it wouldn't be neither would the other because this is a lot of this is pre

uh nationalization of the states isn't it of those which happened during the late 40s and and some 50s actually yeah yeah and also here's the indian subcontinent which is pakistan wouldn't have yeah they wouldn't have existed sorry yeah no neither would bangladesh be there so this would be very this is just after the colonial or at this stage i guess they still are about to leave india they haven't really left but yeah

yeah and i know like on on the issue of the map i know like where after my grandfather died i was quick to seize it because i noticed like i did not want it to go away or something it could be very valuable information and i found in there like on the map some yeah i know like the i know like sure just just to understand lucy what so because this is the the phenomenon being that this is it's just it's very interesting that these maps that you've got are from that time or was there a different point you you you were trying to make as well ah i know like

we're just showing it as uh this is the map from that time and it's which is interesting obviously because in one sense it's not so far away um you know it's just several decades but then it's still radically different this was the point or was there something so and also i know like another point i'd like to make is that i know that i was quoting from the quran there when i was saying like allah

of sovereign kind of domain and kingdoms it really all belongs to to god yeah and it's just like i know the i know like when i i know like i pretty much learned when i decided to become muslim and wasn't really involved with community much i pretty much learned my islam of just watching stuff on the internet which was probably not the best way because you can get go down internet rabbit holes where you're just around where you're just hearing things with the same perspective you never talk to you never get to talk to people with different perspectives i know like um i think his name is paul williams of blogging theology on youtube he right

yes i have i've come across his his thing as well yeah yeah he he talks to people even across different faiths and across different backgrounds but yeah there's there's that thing about internet rabbit holes and stuff but it's just like my the point i'd like to make is like i think the i know like um this is probably more about theology and stuff and maybe you can answer these questions but it's just like i've seen i've seen disturbing stuff with regards to pan-islamists being like the donald trumps of the muslim world like i remember once debating one of them by saying are you not satisfied like i told them that the prophet salaal islam once

said that to one of his companions who complained oh why are the muslims not great why aren't we super wealthy like persia why don't we have what the byzantines and persians have or the romans and persians however you or however you use the language and i reply and quoting that hadith i replied that i that the prophet slowly listen said to his companion are you not satisfied that they have the dunya but we have the acura and i know that that i know like this panna this pan islamist kind of person i was talking to i can't reveal their identity to and i'm using a term they and them to

keep their identity even more anonymous they were like oh isn't there a dua robina and i i was just thinking like well it's just like i i've also come up with a theory recently that i believe islam as a religion is fundamentally incompatible with ideologies that that believe in that believe in bad politics or believe like in the concept of because like islam islam is islam basically isn't a uh political ideology that's i take it if i was to sum up what you were saying

that it is something about trying to uh control the world or run the world you know it's not about that kind of it's not after this kind of domination global domination and and and if and that even if that is some people they may think that but really this is not the message of the quran or the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam yeah i think that's wonderful for you to echo that because it's so true and you do get people that get caught up in things and people can you see they can present verses of the quran to

uh misrepresent and maybe you know the thing is this look maybe people i think one of the greater realizations i've had of recent past is that i think maybe it's not evil you see because we often say people are saying things to mislead people i think and this is especially of recent past like i actually come to realize that many people it's not that they're trying to mislead like they in their way this is what is true to them now it's just that it's not unfortunately it's not

the objective truth it's just their truth like so to them they may be very sincere and maybe actually even coming from a place you know many of them may be coming from a place of love for the deen so they may be thinking look we don't want to rule the world because we hate people but we want to rule the world because this is really what allah wants us to do so they may be coming from a place like i watched this interview where there was an it was i think it was a saudi interview many years back it's still on youtube where the person is being asked

uh actually no i don't i'm not sure if it was saudi but but it's an interview where one of the people is that's being interviewed is he's clearly an extremist clearly like he's like either isis or that kind of same league but he's very calm and composed and he's not like he's not like shouting and he's very he's discussing and the interviewer asks him that look uh he says that i can't remember what he frames it around but he says look if i like basically if i'm let's say x this person would you kill me and he says very calmly like amidst the

interview he says he says yes he says i would just kill you and he says and and the guy says whoa whoa he says what you would kill me like he said because a moment before they're like kind of very friendly and he says he says you'd actually like slaughter like slit my throat and kill me you you would actually do that to i mean i thought we and and that guy in this sense of composure without he's not kind of like huffing and puffing he's very calm and he says he says look he says i'm not i wouldn't do it because out of a thirst for blood he says i would just do it because this is what god wants me to do and i wouldn't he says i wouldn't be happy

doing it but i would do it because i feel this is what god ordains and you see that answers the thing you see it's it's psychologically it's warped it's not that a lot of these people may be coming in their twisted way from a place of love but it's they've got it wrong and this isn't how the quran is meant to be read so they're taking some of these things and reading and it you're right for a person to go onto youtube or to go on to google and you know you could read and somebody could say look there's a verse of the quran saying kill all the kuffar you know

and somebody could i'm just saying they could they take a verse like of the quran out of context and say look oh my god it's saying this and this is what you you know this is a message from god the reason i was giggling though is because sheikh hamzi used to said oh also the quran says unto those who pray so does that mean we don't perform exactly you know the quran says it's like

so are we going to suddenly start banning places where from becoming atheists no it doesn't mean that i think that's an amazing honestly i'm glad you you mentioned that because that so it just shows how taking a snippet and in fact to be fair for lil mussalin is an actual ayat it's written in a very short surah of of but it's an ayah and people taking even one eye as somebody could say no but that's an exact diet but taking even an exact ayah out of its context can so kind of completely displace its meaning so you know muslim doesn't just mean to

make a normal prayer like dua means to offer salah so doomed other people who offer salah so it's you know it's yeah i'm really glad you mentioned himself [Music] so it's about in the context it's about people who are insincere and it was it was revealed in the time of um of well a jahali society whereby they would shun the they would change the team the orphans and they would do those sorts of things and that verse about kill them wherever you find them that's

in the context of battle it doesn't mean and it doesn't mean in the co it doesn't mean anything silly like that so that's how to absolutely you know this this this thing about it's in many ways like an extension of the samaritan um narrative and parable from from the gospels because you see you have what it's saying that people who deny and people who do this but you will encounter just as the the the the sadducee and the pharisees these people they walk past

this person who is completely you know distraught and on on in on the way but nobody helps him but they you see one of them is a priest who has to see to you know prayers so he can't help someone and it's the same thing here it's saying look yes it does but it ends with the actual the key reason the crowning is see these people they prevent they refuse to offer homely assistance and my own

was it could have been as little as things like pots and pans and cutlery which which are basically home utilities that that's what my own just means home utilities people would refuse to i gonna uh why should i help them give and it's not even when you think about it it's like saying okay but look how it's brought into perspective that you know what if they think they're so righteous that okay i don't help anybody look at me i do my prayers though then what kind of a prayer is that if you're not helping you you're not feeding the your team you're you're

shunning them you're not feeding the poor person but and you're not even helping people your neighbors you're not even helping them with home utilities like what kind of an insane are you so it's honestly it's one of the it's one of my most favorite surahs in it being so short and rapid because when it starts it's an app absolutely has like this vaulter because it starts off that do you see the person who denies the the the this hole the reckoning and you think you're only a team is the person who

kind of shuns the the muskie and it's all this build up and you think allah will say so what what you know doomed are the oppressive or doomed other transgressors or doomed or the let's say it's going to say those who disbelieve in in doing good doomed are they or doomed are those who the facili or doomed or the kazi bean but no it says and this is the vaulted the kind of twist that he says doomed are the people who pray and you think well where did that even come from so this is why it's actually so

fascinating could this surah even be in the context of modern day where i know i know somebody with i know two people with profound disabilities and i know like one of well without mentioning any names one of them feels guilty at times for claiming benefits and stuff because people will say oh i don't want to pay for you kind of stuff and could that sir amount did you say they they the two people who have disabilities yeah they've got disabilities and i know like some people do some people will shun them for being on benefits and stuff even though they much need it and i'm i'm thinking that

it's it's their right to have it because i know like in islam if somebody has a profound disability and the state's able to pay for them then that gets covered by the state of course this is a fundamental human right in islam the whole concept of the community was that it takes care of the sick it takes care of the elderly it takes care of the weak it take it protects the weak it feeds the hungry and it shelters those who need refuge now this on a greater scale is then projected on in a modern setting

is projected this community setting is projected onto the state which is obviously a modern notion in that sense but the this these teachings are in islam and it is it is an entitlement is it it's something that they have a right to be protected they have a right to be and a person with a disability you know first of all may allah make things easy for them i mean anybody and everybody that is suffering with any kind of disability and some some are more apparent than others it's you know sometimes they're not so apparent their disabilities but no anybody trying to make them feel bad is you know that that

person needs to be checked for some kind of pathology psychological pathology because what the hell are they like how could you even do that that's like yeah honestly in fact it's fascinating we were you know in last month's last month's book review we covered about the bonobo apes bonobo chimps and it was interesting that even in a monkey society they found that where there was a uh where there was one of the chimps who had down syndrome so uh what the the tribe that chimpanzee or that that monkey that

had down syndrome could get away with stuff like they wouldn't take it to task so the other monkeys wouldn't like if it did things that other monkeys did would be let's say beaten or whatever they wouldn't and it could take food before other monkeys did they could like they had this allowance and recognition that this monkey has down syndrome so it has something obviously some kind of issue with it but and they as a tribe they gave a concession for that and i found that so well he's so beautifully kind of like just reminiscent of like in the verses reminding us that look even when you

look at creatures are these not also like nations in many ways like you that you can take examples from ah yeah i know i know one one person with down syndrome i i don't wish to disclose too much about them but they they they're very happy because their mum's always making dua for them to be happy so i and i i believe like people with down syndrome their life is worth living because it's possible for them to be happy and can i just say that i feel that i mean i feel allahu alam that they

often are happy you know you look at them and they are so happy and because they don't you see obviously life is different and maybe in many ways it's simpler people may say people may say this but they you can see that they the true happiness in when they do things and they like really it's like people may say oh you know that oh they don't have certain but it's like with in that that kind of that child-like happiness is seen with them is it not like i i i whenever i've kind of encountered it i've seen it and and it's like wow like they are truly happy allah bless them i mean wherever they

are i mean yeah and also i was this is off topic from other stuff we were just talking about like we've talked about quite a few topics i i recently read uh or came across a a hieroglyphic dictionary and this is the ancient egyptian language for the audience and it was saying it was saying like and i was reminded of a verse in surah taha where musa alayhi his

yeah in in the ancient egyptian language which would probably be similar to the language that prophet muhammed was speaking that also means remove so and it's understood in the tafsir that and the even the english interpretation well i've got an english interpretation as well as the bits of the the arabic original quran here with vowels and stuff it that was understood to mean remove that knot so or loosen it because it was a because that's how that's probably how the it's probably how the ancient egyptians understood like removing their

removing their horses from being tied up or camels if they had any they i think they i think they did they did have horses in ancient egypt i'm unsure about whether or not they had camels that each needed camels are domesticated i think later yeah yeah and i know like i do have uh not that oh i might be able to show you other stuff but i do have a oh i'm trying to dig it out just just to show you i'm not i'm not doing this to brag or anything but just because i was talking about the issue of hieroglyphs i do have a formal qualification in

hieroglyphs in hieroglyphs wow okay lucy you're doing it man you're doing it you can you read them with the reasonable ease or i can read some of them i'm not fluent in them like and i know that the course did not did not teach me how to do it fluently but i can i can read like i probably can read maybe about 20 of the symbols so i know like most of the symbols in hieroglyphs as what's called determinatives or idiograms these come at the end of the word and indicate what the word means so it's like in arabic you have the trilateral symbol symbol

where there's three letters make up or make up a word and and i know like in ancient arabic it was similar to that so they did have as you as you were saying and i know like um paul williams said even said like they had id idiograms in earlier arabic scripts so they would have so i mean they probably in some of the others maybe the other arabic not the arabic we have today but the maybe southern arabic was called so but yeah it's it's so fascinating and that is incredibly interesting you know the part i didn't

when you said was the the point about moses and the tongue were you saying that was like an old egyptian idiom is that what you were saying oh it probably oh it means that loosen means the same as removed so it probably was that it probably was the same okay but what was the outcome like why i just to just to be clear i didn't fully understand you why were you mentioning the how was that tying in it was was there something about that message i'm i'm just trying to find okay if i may screen share um okay look at this do you

go on the go for it go for it let's yeah okay yeah i just yeah okay i can screen share now um yeah here's the thing so let to that how this is the first time we're doing screen share on these people so this is how it works let me share this with you yeah it's also an ubuntu computer so it's quite advanced so well it's different than a windows computer this a new ubuntu computer i can i can do do all sorts with or the ubuntu is more quick at doing websites which is what i specialize in you design websites

yeah i can do websites too yes okay you know what we should lean in on your expertise okay yeah awesome we'll be in touch with somebody and we'll connect and because we're we're thinking of fixing up some websites okay um yeah i'm just trying to see it was it was i think it was if something where is it loose and oh it's not okay okay well it's somewhere in this in this document like i don't i don't get what like what's no what what what's the purpose of this what's going on like you're trying to say

uh what are you trying to to do uh you're trying to show that it was a classic islamic viewpoint as well is that oh sorry an egyptian idiom like that's how they spoke or you're saying this was also found in a hieroglyph ah a similar kind of expression is it was understood in hieroglyphs ah right okay so they had an expression in hieroglyphs which is not obviously moses saying it it's just amongst the pharaohs yeah they would use that oh right okay the ancient egyptians believe and they would use it to mean what oh to mean the same as remove or un like

it like remove something so like yeah to un unbind the knot but would they use it with the word tongue like it's used in with tongue like they would say is that exact same phrase found in hieroglyphics that would be really fascinating ah i think that would be an interesting research project okay so it's not yeah i'm not an egyptologist yet i'm i'm focusing on wait but you're saying that it's got just unbind and not it's got that part of the phrase in oh it's got the term not and or at

yeah okay epic epic i i get it now because i i was i thought you were saying that maybe they'd found the exact phrase but being said by pharaohs to someone and i thought oh that would be really fascinating uh but this is still fascinating as well and also the the ancient egyptian hieroglyphs they are um [Music] they the ancient egyptians believed these to be the words of their deities and and that's why they had a special class of scribes who would who would write out who would carve the hieroglyphs or write it down because and they did have other scripts like not

just the hieroglyphs they also had hierarchical and demotic demotics found on the rosetta stone and later um later the ancient egyptian developed into modern day into coptic which is the liturgical language of the coptic church wow okay very i have to say this is really fascinating are you it's quite an an area which not often accessed to you know by most people so you you do have some very peculiar and interesting interests

or areas of academia so shukra and lucy for sharing that and i think it's yep so what so shukran once again and you're where where are you joining us from wales is it oh no i'm actually joining from hampshire i can't speak in a welsh accent though so i can easily put the time i'm not did you previously say you were from wales or something about wales did you say that oh i know like i i know like i have welsh ancestry on my dad's side and some okay maybe you mentioned that in a previous thing because i'm thinking why did i

think wales okay it's because i've got a very welsh surname ah is it that right okay maybe because i'm thinking why did i unconsciously think wild but sure shukran once again lucy i appreciate i think that's some amazing food for thought people and will and do join us again so shukran assalamu alaikum from hampshire some very diverse topics there from ranging from egyptology to uh with hieroglyphs

to cartography and maps and things like that and other things in between guys it's got ever so late as always much love um if you need to reach out to me feel free to do so in you can just usually instagram is a fine that's a a good method if not then you're more than welcome to reach out via patreon you can connect other than that guys take very good care of yourselves let's call it a wrap remember to as always keep smiling keep

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