Are miracles supernatural? - a fruitless discussion | Mufti Abu Layth

be sophisticated so it's true one last question was there a very short question oh my god we think yeah on the concept of sorry no sorry carry on yeah yeah so uh you believe in the concept of like there are no miracles uh if i'm if i'm not wrong here right because now you believe no you are wrong okay i know i believe in miracles we all believe in miracles um like the miracle of life is a miracle that we can whatever miracle of consciousness is something we can't explain

um we all believe in miracles no uh like uh i'm i was talking in a reference like anything that has been created the set rules of god allah now they will not change and if anything come across that we don't see you see look there are right this is to me this is you see a bit of a useless discussion because the reason being there is no real disagreement everybody accepts the stories as they are told in the quran

nobody disagrees with these things everybody agrees that these are very short glimpses into a story and incident that there is no overall telling of a story allah doesn't tell you details and details of what happened with musa it's just one verse here one verse the one verse that it's it's what they call uh in in literature what the term ellipsis okay or elliptical kind of uh sequence where things are missing so let's say in english i say uh this happened dot dot dot the dot dot dot means something's missing and then you carry you you figure that out like you

you know he came home dot dot dot the house erupted you understand does that mean something happened here because dot dot dot so this is everywhere in the quran this kind of dot dot it's it's part of the arabic language ellipses so now the question is nobody's disagreeing on any of these stories nobody's disagreeing on these incidents the question is that let's say something happened that was spectacular did allah adopt a means for it to happen

or was there no means in the galaxy and it just happened to some people they say look no means existed in the entire universe and it just happened tk you know that helps them yeah it's a wonderful way of them being kind of like the iman is kind of strengthened to other people they would say look allah didn't mention it but of course there's always means to something you know like i say the rain fell obviously for the rain to have fallen the clouds had to have picked the water up from somewhere yeah they picked it up from a reservoir and they brought it and the winds had to have blown and so things had to have

happened but you every time you say oh it rained you don't need to say oh by the way a cloud got formed by this happening by this happening so so this discussion on were there any means adopted for the realization of certain events it's really to me a fruitless discussion because if it helps you to think look there were no means then that's wonderful i have no objection if to other people they think well you know no that's they would always be means fine that's wonderful as well it doesn't diminish from the book of allah yeah mostly based on my understanding i think it helps you to understand a lot

of concepts i mean once the means are established then those beings are not changed they will stay the same uh like that will stay the same right because there are a lot of people who uh put those things uh not in line with that uh i see uh for example um

so that actually uh you see but this is this is no but this is the no but this is the point you see okay you see it's not a problem whatever a person wants to take they can take it if it helps this person in this way that allah never says in the quran once ibrahim you guessed this there was a gap wasn't there that they prepared the fire for ibraheem dot dot dot allah saved ibraheem from the fire you then said in your mind okay i want a

picture that he was thrown in now allah never says that in the quran but he leaves it for you if you want to understand that and it helps you take it if somebody else thinks not allah saved him from being fallen in then like it helps however the quran helps you in its understanding is wonderful you don't need to the quran you see the arguments these people who disagree are not disagreeing on what the quran says they are disagreeing on what it doesn't say but what they are filling in in the blanks so the quran never and this is to me the miracle of the quran

i find this so amazing that the quran doesn't actually say these things because you see it that is part of the the amazing nature of the quran and the miraculous nature that otherwise it would you see it would have it would have been it would have had you know certain people would have struggled with it but the quran was for everyone it was for these people who are going to say yeah i'm going to fill this blank in with this story and it was for other people that are going to say no but that's not how the

world works and it's fine for them you see allah it's what people are fighting over is the gaps that they are filling in they're not fighting over the actual allah never you mentioned virgin birth allah never says once in the quran that jesus was born from virgin birth but that's the dot dot dot it says that oh mary says that oh i haven't had any kind of intercourse yet

angel says this is the will of god dot dot dot jesus is born now it leaves it some people would say of course this is the this is what the christians have told us this is the virgin birth and alhamdulillah you know if it helps their iman it's wonderful other people would think no in the dot dot dot it meant obviously she had a husband and they had a child so it worked but look the miracle of the quran is it left that gap it could have just filled it in but it didn't and people are only arguing over the gap they're not arguing over the verse

because the real message was not you see these yeah when allah is telling a story in the quran these stories are for you to get a moral from them to benefit to get inspiration they're not to get caught up in the detail you know like in fact what's funny is the story i say funny what's ironically funny here is the story in the quran that shows that is when allah is condemning it that the israelites get caught up in the detail of the cow what color is the cow how old is the cow allah says that what's wrong with these people

what's wrong with them who's told them to go into this kind of detail if they want to do it personally but they're getting they take making the religion about the detail so you see when the story is being told about moses he did this he saved the israelites this is a story of the that is testament to the to the to the power of human will to resistance to fighting for liberation to to believing in god against all the odds even against an empire and still coming through this is about that now people start saying what was the the staff made out what

kind of wood was it made out of what was the achar how did he throw the was it but this was never the purpose behind this allah telling you the story it wasn't do you know in pakistan and most of the subcontinent areas uh if you don't believe on these two concepts you

know people people will chuck you out of the deen for for anything but this is why you know i've said before this isn't their dad's theme this is nobody's islam to chuck somebody out of this you know i gave that i said it actually saddened me wallahi saddened me to read people were making god like not not that it wasn't i wasn't saddened because of it was me but i was saddened that that wow you have like how like you know like they make dua that this person becomes an atheist

where is the message of our prophet like if just one person can embrace this wonderful message that you know just just anything like the person saying i'm not going to pray i'm only going to pray once i ain't going to do the prophecy the person saying look i'm going to prophet saying welcome the person chase saying insulting the prophet and the prophet still saying it doesn't know hold back everyone doesn't matter doesn't matter you know if he wants to it's up to him it's a free he wants to insult me let him insult me i'm just going to say something nice to him i'm i'm going to respond with kindness

you know don't scare people away invite them yes you do make things easy we've got this list here from all the way from there to here if you disagree on one of these points we're going to be the first to chuck you out of islam you're out you think to go who gave you anyone the license this is allah's faith this is this is god this is people connecting to god nobody owns it nobody has a monopoly over the quran or the prophet or islam you know we why are we and this is the disappointing thing why do

we oh we just lost um we just lost why are we so wanting to chase people away from this thing it really because can you just imagine seriously for a moment just think how hurtful this is that i thought khan is back sorry we lost you yeah just think how hurtful this is to the prophet who spent his entire life that part of the life for this message that it would reach us and we

are so busy just trying to talk people who have it out you know check him out check him out check him out the prophet endured so much just so one more person will accept this message yeah and the people were being sometimes arrogant with the prophet they were being hard with him they were being difficult with him the prophet needed help bunny that they've said that tribe they had money they had might and they said we'll embrace islam but we're not going to give you a penny we're not going to give you a single soldier what do you say prophet says islam

he said welcome he said like they say the same the prophet's dean this is the dean of islam the prophet is the one inviting people you want to engage in debate do it in a way that is so good be absent it is wrong with the and this is why you know when i said earlier on people like mike tyson say look religion just has too much conflict in it

you've heard of the crab mentality the crab mentality right so you get the crabs and you put them in a bucket and the and you see if it's just one crab it can climb its way out but you put a bunch of them in there and when one crab climbs up the others pull him down and what happens is if he keeps trying they actually break his legs and on some occasions they'll actually kill him and this crab mentality is how has this come in an ummah whose prophet islam does come as a mercy for the world so it's it

it's saddened but people will do it i to me my my message would be ignore people who don't spread love if you're not about spreading love then tk you know it's it's their thing i just my advice would be to just be on your path be focused yeah you see that because if the dean hasn't fixed your ego of control of power of hate then the deen hasn't done anything for you you know your salah and your psalm and your hajj hasn't done anything if you are if you have such a hateful ego that you know you are just oh

him him you know i watched this clip of these dawah videos saying you will die upon kufa the way you guys are going you will all die upon kufa so i start for allah you know this is these are these are hurtful because this this deen is something that's supposed to improve your life not something that's supposed to make someone so hateful and you know toxic and shout at people and do all of this stuff and if it is doing that then you know you haven't found allah that's the truth it'll be

enough you've only found enough yeah very true way to yeah but yeah shukran um guys we've gone on for so long i do appreciate uh there's uh i write quite a few super chat shook him for the super chat um

is nothing but a tool of power people who think the prophet only came to establish khilafah it's like people playing with their toys that's what it is but hey um guys right let's wrap this up shukran it's been awesome ideally appreciate uh you guys kind of spending all this time just gotta be emotional you know this kind of stuff it uh it gets to me sometimes i think maybe it's it's old age i don't know but it kind of it's hurtful

to see all this and and you know i i get a bit emotional sometimes