Was Abraham from the Indus Valley? | Mufti Abu Layth

jacob say right okay let's speak a bit on this whole um i did want to mention this whole thing about ibrahim alaihissalam now this may tie in with what some of you are with what some of you are asking now i've been really looking into all of this uh this whole thing of ibrahim alaihissalam it's really been quite fascinating i'm just seeing if there were any

this is ongoing research but i'm really kind of inclined this way that you see i feel um that ibrahim alaihissalam because i've been thinking this whole thing ibrahim alaihissalam going to the the palace of the pharaohs and this whole thing what is this all about and i feel that in some way this was like a meetings

of two great worlds okay because in that day and age the pharaohs were this long continuous incredibly rich legacy of human civilization they had been going on for thousands of years you know this was what they and they obviously claim to have been going on for much longer but with with these philosophies and buildings and they were really seen as something they had rulers that had you know pharaohs who had ruled a huge

part of the world they had a history of all of these so now or a substantial area that's what i mean so abraham ibrahim i feel right now i have to pause this here his what there's a question mark you see ibrahim alaihissalam goes in and he meets the pharaoh now the question here is how does ibrahim alaihissalam get to meet a pharaoh

you know a wandra who comes in from the the canaanite deserts and he comes across and he gets face time with a pharaoh so this is in the bible in genesis that he goes and he meets the pharaoh and then not only that obviously the pharaoh marries his wife but then the pharaoh uh gives him a gift he gives him gifts and you know he's like very generous with him with abraham now the question is that even the regular egyptians could not get face time with the pharaoh if you're an egyptian and you said i want to go meet the pharaoh they'll be like

[Laughter] so the question how does a wanderer that's coming through a desert get facetime the pharaoh and you know this thing oh he was so intrigued to marry sarai this is why ah come on does that really add up this guy pharaoh who has a kingdom can has countless women women are not a problem like he can have any woman he wants he's all of a sudden so obsessed with some stranger woman that he's never met

like really like this does this add up to the critical mind now to answer that question we need to go back to the origin of abraham now i've been thinking you see in the bible it mentions that abraham his family were from the ur of keldes okay the celtian these people they were from like the but it mentions that their origins were from the east now i've said this before a while back on my

mind sorry on my monday night but i've been looking into it a lot more recently i feel that ibrahim alaihissalam was from the indus valley civilization as in his peer his ancestors or his parents would have been from there whether he may have also been there as a young person right now the indus valley civilization are some of the oldest civilizations known to man okay they they found certain things that they've when they've dated

go back to potentially eight or maybe even 9 000 years ago those civilizations may have been some of the most advanced civilizations they had some form of accounting they had a script which still hasn't been deciphered they ruled without kings they that which is amazing they did apparently had no standing army that which goes to show a civilization along the indus river the sarasvati river the great river of of india in the past which dries up about 1900 years and

1900 bc so after that and it had thousands of settlements around the river including the great settlements of mohenjo-daro and harappa and uh you know you've got rakhigeri and all these different uh great settlements but it had loads of smaller settlements as well now these people disperse and i would feel that it may have been that ibrahim may have been from a priestly background it's very likely this is speculation but i'm

inclined towards it because in the bible it mentions that his wife who he marries is a priestess now why am i saying this well you see it's interesting that even the examples that are given in the quran of when ibrahim alaihissalam questions his people he questions them about the celestial bodies the sun the moon a certain star and it disappearing now is not

you know how can these things be deities and it makes sense that you see the indus valley civilization it's much later it's around after as the civilization is dissipating that statues are introduced they weren't otherwise previously they have no statues of gods and things like this now one thing that the priestly class would know is astronomy and their version of astrology like all these stars

it's something that the indians have been so deeply into now who else was so obsessed with this kind of astrological astronomy it was the egyptians now it would make sense if abraham was from a priestly background and he had great knowledge of the stars because it mentioned one sarai was already a priestess when they go to egypt this is what gives him

face time with the pharaoh because the pharaohs are obsessed with with the whole astronomical layout and the pyramids are built in line with that they ever and you see and i'll just actually i did have some quotes actually if i have some here it's interesting by the way that aristotle who's before jesus when he writes of the jewish people who are the descendants of abraham he says that the origin was with the indian people and there was uh

megasthanis who was sent to india 300 years bc before christ who says who writes of the that this is where he he claims that the jewish origins the jewish being going back to isaac and abraham come from and this is 300 years before jesus they write this the magi people trace their books to ibrahim they have a certain tradition called ibrahim this they claim comes to them from ibrahim and it was the jesuit missionaries who when they went to india

initially noticed this the name of brahma and sarai his consort in hinduism correlating with the english names abraham and sarai or first abraham in the bible is called abram and then he the lord asks him to change his name to abraham or which and sarai to sarah so and i'm not saying that abraham was the god brahma but what i'm saying is those names would have then inspired people to have similar kind of names so

right so this and also what's interesting is volte uh the great philosopher he wrote how abraham was had descended from a brahmin priestly class so these were some of these interesting notes how people had said even the er of of counties of the chaldean people they said some people had speculated the cal dean or what they said uh the chaodian was called dev and it was from some hindu

um origin as in the people of these because er was on the road to india by the way so through persia if you're going to india that would have been the road so anyway the the reason i mention this is because you see what if hajjar who is then given to abraham as a gift you see many people had said hajar was a slave because maybe to the outsiders who didn't know her this is what they assumed her to be

but what if she was actually a priestess as some people had claimed she was an equally ranking priestess of the egyptian order that was given to ibrahim because he was of this background somebody who had great knowledge of the stars because when they go to makkah you see where they build the kaaba now this is where i'm trying to um you know this is interesting what is one of the greatest stars that appears on the horizon in the south is canopus

now canopus is who the according to the egyptian legacy it is what the the pyramids were also built in uh they they sorry they're not built in line with canopus but they are also uh they have some association because cannabis is interpreted to be the greatest pharaoh in i mean part of their heritage is osiris who have spoken about previously uh maybe jose in the quran osiris is who they feel is the star canopus as in he's gone up and that's him so canopus in the southern hemisphere is

considered to be osiris now that's like which is the second most brightest star in the southern hemisphere is osiris okay now canopus let me just bring this here that you can see there in the southern hemisphere this star if i just bring this up right is what in arabic is called sahil and it is the

the star that the kaaba the wall of the kaaba is aligned to on the horizon when it's built so it's interesting that this star by the way is what in the in the ancient indian literature was the southern pole star so in ancient hindu kind of the priestly astronomy and astrological astronomy they spoke of two polar stars two pole stars you've got the north pole star which today's polaris but before it was subban and others now and they spoke of a south pole star

a southern pole star they called them druva but the south pole star what was it about 2 000 i believe just slightly over 2000 years ago it would have been augustia and agustia is canopus it is sohail it is osiris it is this exactly this same star which was seen as one of the most powerful stars on the southern horizon now i i don't feel that these things are all entirely coincidental i feel that the knowledge of these things are connected as in it doesn't mean that those stars have to

be um you know like they don't bring things like good luck or bad luck or anything like this but they are seen as obviously to people of faith they would be seen as something representing the divine you understand so when the kaaba is built a partic it is angled towards sohail because on the horizon sahil appears after sunset you would see it in that direction right you would see this on the southern horizon it would be the brightest star on that horizon and so this equally in those cultures bears some

significance and i feel that ibrahim alaihissalam knowing this kind of stuff is what allowed him to connect with those pharaohs and have that face time with them for them to treat him well it kind of makes a lot of sense as opposed to him just wondering as a kind of bedouin in the desert and then getting face time and then i feel the story is the same but there's just more nuances to it like harjit wasn't just some slave girl she may have been a priestess of of their order ibrahim al-islam wasn't just some person

just like this who just had you know wisdom of one god but he was actually somebody who was incredibly learned about things like astrology and the stars and the celestial bodies and and he knew this kind of stuff he was much more learned than people think he was and he may have been much more involved with different civilizations so this became a great meeting a grand meeting of west meets east and hence allah says that in the ibrahim khan that he was a nation in and of

himself that he kind of brings these civilizations to almost a point of amalgamation in some ways and you see even this uh this thing of after he then has this great meeting he is then he then circumcises takes on some of the customs of like circumcision and stuff like this but this is some food for thought if anybody is does out there watches this that is researching this uh do kind of hit me up inshallah let's um let's kind of share thoughts on it sorry about going on but it's just it

really i've been fascinated by it and this uh what i was sharing with you i don't know if you guys can see this there but you'll see this isn't a description from i believe it's an ancient book um you've got by al-farisi one of the early astronomers when muslims were still speaking about the kaaba before the medieval time when they started to speak about mathematically how to know where the cab is initially they spoke about it to do with nature how do you find the direction you find the direction through the winds

and you find it through the stars this is before they got very oh you need the astrologe when you need this and you need that at this time so if you read this extract as well i don't know if it's in this um yeah so you can see here that look it mentions that the first of the winds is the sabha this is the muslim author al-farisi writing that which is easterly of the kaaba and he mentions facing the wall between the black stone and the and the southern corner and it blows from between in the summertime sunrise and the rising point of canopus

of sahel which is also osiris in the uh egyptian for uh pharonic kind of legacy and it's agastya in the hindu uh legacy so the second is the journey which should be the janupsari yeah which is southerly and it blows from the rising and it goes on uh point of canopus to the winterly sunset because this so i i just found this incredibly fascinating this was uh part of uh i believe it was king's um essay in in the journal

that he speaks of religious studies where he's speaking about the direction of the qibla and how early muslims used to find the qibla later muslims used to use things like geometrical stuff but the early muslims that are academic speak about things like using the wind and stars because winds come from particular directions now people may argue that that's not as accurate but still it's very fascinating and it's food for thought people all right let's move on i don't know if i was just boring you guys you guys are thinking mufti's losing the plot nothing new there people i've lost it

long time ago but yeah so all right all right what is going on alright alright alright very interesting hypothesis but i feel that yeah this uh it's if people want to explore it do explore it take it further let me know i'm still researching