Teaching children about homosexuality in the UK’s school curriculum | Mufti Abu Layth

what else right we've had a bit of a a bit of an issue going on within the UK especially within Birmingham and I think maybe some other places but it's become a national topic of debate and that is to do with somebody asked do you listen to chef Imran Hosein I don't know I don't right so somebody right so it's become a topic of national debate

teaching children about homosexuality so what what is all of these okay and in schools and this no outsiders program right now I want to say that look I think that this whole topic this whole debate has been mishandled okay it's been mishandled especially by the people wrapping the Muslim cause that's what I

feel that's my you know perspective from how I've seen things on social media now you've got yes they've there's been a lot of kind of protests and stuff like that but what I feel is Muslims need to stop you see that we first of all we need to clear up that it is there's nothing wrong in teaching if it's simply so I watched a national debate where the

representatives said that we do not teach the children I mean once again it can be debated if people have evidence to the contrary they can bring it forward but in that on that debate the the kind of Ofsted people said we do not teach them about the sexuality or sexual ization we don't teach them about sexual relationships we're just teaching them that some people have like some people have two mums some people have two dads like that now I would save that's simply the case then that isn't a problem that you know that is not a problem people

right because if that is the reality because there are people out there that just that have gay parents so if that's the situation if that's what they're teaching if they're just creating an awareness then that's fine if they're teaching things about sexuality and about actual sex not just sexuality about sex then I agree that it can it's problematic I feel depending on age appropriateness so to what age so I feel that's fine teaching young people that but I think

some ages they should like there's not like I would disagree strongly if you're teaching that to like a five-year-old about sex like I would feel that I would disagree with that because I feel that you shouldn't be kind of imposing the specifics of sex upon young children now so if that's the case then that's how you should argue it as Muslims right that's what you should be presenting that look okay that the age if that's so if it's just teaching them that look some people have as on one of the

debates I watch that one of the Ofsted kind of inspectors said no alway teaching is about relationships and not about actual sex that doesn't come into it at all I don't know if that's the reality or not but that's what I heard on this one national debate if that be the case that I think is not an issue and we as Muslims shouldn't become insecure to that right new we need to relax you're not going to become gay just by knowing other people are gay it's like oh no now that I know other people are gay I can't

I can't help but become camp it's like look relax yourselves people stop becoming so insecure okay just because other people are gay you don't just become gay by knowing that okay some people have got some serious insecurities and it makes me think that this must be a lot more cool you know these people that are seriously insecure I feel that they kind of they kind of closeted homosexuals or borderline this is why they're so kind of they get worked up about these things now so just

to clarify that's so that if it's just relationships and I would say that that's not an issue right I've got a young daughter I mean one seven ones for now if somebody said to them and not to kind of go OTT over the top but if they had something where they said look by the way some of some people out there they have a mum and a dad and some people just have a mum and some people might just live with the dad and some people might live with two dads and some people might live with two months I think there's nothing wrong in that personally I don't think that that's

problematic I don't because I think children they just observe and they understand that the way the kind of default thing is like a mum and dad and they just get that and they understand that some people are might not be like that but that's the kind of default setting I don't think you need to worry too much about that that this is almost inherently built-in that this because if you think about it even with creatures in general I mean regardless of humans they get that sense of the the kind of whatever the the tribe or whatever the

the kind of family thing is now but if they were going to teach about actual sex then I would have a problem if it was at this kind of age okay so a bit older I wouldn't have a problem that they teach them there are sexual relationships but at a very young age I think that you're robbing the the children of their innocence and things like that by all this kind of sex talk so that's now that's the angle that I feel that Muslims and non-muslims because there's many non-muslims that agree with us on that

you know you'll be surprised as many people in this country that agree on that that you know you shouldn't be teaching sex to very young children so if that's the issue that's how we should be promoting it not not in a kind of Oh homosexuality should be like and I think you know I watch this one interview with some guy said look but it's you know it's you know it's my religion you come below this railing you completely disagree so and the first is not asking you will need every religion in me it's just saying

that we just can it's it's being taught that some relationships are like this and then there was some there was a is a good morning or one of those that I saw and this question that look oh but you know is this in any no religion look you have to understand something people look your religion is a private affair okay it is not a sin for non-muslims right non-muslims are here mahajabeen be Shia they're not bitte Khalifa sure they are

not mcauliffe they are not liable to for Islamic teachings so you don't say to a non-muslim oh you never prayed the o earth GU know me because they're not being asked to pray they're not Muslim so they're not asked to follow the Sharia so this is for you it's as a person it's like I believe that look this is my belief fine I'm gonna this is what I live by you don't believe that so fine you each what you believe and somebody you know there was this thing this

discussion online and I mentioned that look Imam Malik taught us that we ought to defend the rights of people when he was asked he was asked about people who were committing as a lifestyle choice people no I don't just mean as a one-off as a lifestyle choice they were they would engage in incestuous in actual incest relationships right in imam Malik's time when he's in a position of power people power not like not like just you and me sitting here today or like some of these total keyboard

warrior loses he was in an actual position of power where he could actually implement or have implemented what he wanted and he was asked that look there are people who marry their own sisters their own mothers their own daughters and they say that's their way of life should we get involved as part of the state so to speak and what did he mom Alexei he said laughs no he said if that's their way of life that's their

way of life we do not get involved even this is for those who were in the Muslim country in the Islamic kind of empire that we do not get involved Imam Malik said that Allah taught us to be tolerant of when they even worship other gods other than him this is their personal practice what what you know if God was tolerant about that why would it bother him about this that if they do this they do it obviously we disagree with it you know we're not gonna do it we won't

advocated but if that's their way of life that's their way of life so I think there's so much to learn from what Imam Malik was teaching so we have this thing today that we have not only we don't want to do it but other people and by the way nobody can disagree so I mentioned I've got a talk on YouTube called I mean it's for it's a segment from a lengthier segment called homosexuality and Islam a diverse perspective now or a diverse history I think it's called something like that

now in there I speak about many how they were several scholars from Islamic history you believe homosexuality was not Haram now amongst them called the ethnic then we used the Koran to justify that it wasn't Haram and there were other scholars and people and I mentioned stories of people who were open about the homosexuality like over kerygma Dawood the great Mahad did master of hadith I I spoke about even has some in his book of at Okayama where he writes about several a lustrous Lee

rights may I may I add in great detail he writes about he writes about all kinds of things going on but many of the escapades that were going on in his time that people were getting up to the naughty dirty ones and many of them are about half of them homosexual and he will be writing about him he says oh yeah and this and this full-on person and this foreign player and there were any and he seems to be very kind of just laid-back about it he doesn't seem to be like oh this is oh he just he's just saying and he begins the book by saying

I'm over 40 years of age when I'm writing this book so don't think I wrote this out of some kind of kind of like childishness okay then I'm of a mature age when authoring this and there is an English translation of it you should read it it's called in Arabic tokoha mama I think in English they might have called it ring of the devil yeah I think something like that ring of the Dove or something like that but but you get this am i and you get other great scholars and they openly promoting homeless right they openly boast about their homosexual poetry

now tell me how what is that about them you know how wide is hardly a bucket even on Jarabe and all these are the great scholars they're openly including even handsome and all these people they'll openly boast about like homosexual poetry and these were the people so either these people are all deviants and if they are then they goes our tradition because they the authors they wrote everything right because look at him I know we Imam no he writes in his fort our book I've got it right here I've actually show me he writes how he

find his personal opinion he says it is unquote he treats it like a fact he says fact right that's a fact he says that teenage boys are much more beautiful than any woman on earth this is what he writes he says this is a known fact a very that kind of Trump and he's treating it like a fact and this is like where you're thinking huh what kind of women did he have around him yeah women

like with these big scruffy beards [Laughter] cavemen women some of the Neanderthal tribes had still survived on to amount know each time and hence imam no we never got married it's like and he writes this in his photo ID go to his photo op book about the emirate the boy the kind of boy in his mid teens or late teens that kind of who hasn't fully developed a book full beard and stuff like that and he says that there's no

doubt that they Jamal their beauty out does the beauty of any woman and you think it think well okay right okay this is getting weird imagine you're in his class and you're in his class and he starts and you're there because he has a commentary on sahi Muslim and you're there for the commentary and then he starts all of this and you're like okay sure

can we focus on the hadith but my point is so unquestionable if he's finding young boys attractive or like teenage boys I'm not saying I'm not saying he did something I'm just saying but he's openly saying and he's not being shy about it he's writing openly that yeah they're more in fact they're not only beautiful he says they're more beautiful than women any women and so here he's expressing this kind of bisexuality that he feels is universal he feels that all

men would be like everybody knows that that's the kind of he's writing you with that level of confidence that you know every read is gonna be like duh of course but so now so what is he mom know we then you know if he's finding these guys attractive I mean so is he a deviant I mean are we gonna Chuck all these people out of the faith now so my

point is that when I expressed that there was a diversity of views I'm not saying it's you have to accept I'm not saying it's my view but I'm saying these people had all these views so look what's the problem what's the problem if some people followed some of these V I'm just saying why does it bother us why does it it just enough like people feel that my Islam can only be valid so long as I can impose it on the whole of the Muslim Ummah and then my Islam is good enough for me

why you Islam is for you you know like look all the meth labs disagree amongst themselves so look according to one meth lab like the Hanafi meth have borderline alcohol is fine you know with Dana bees according to the others it's Haram according to some method they've said things like Qaddafi and others some other Malik here that look cannabis is not Haram according to others it is Haram according to some methods according to some meth helps apart from peak every

other animal is Hollin or permitted to eat even if it's discouraged but it's permitted including carnivorous animals including predatory animals including every fish every amphibian every bird that if you wanted to eat it you could not saying you have to but everything is from it and that's the Maliki method but yet so many of those things that they would buy a tin crocodile eating kangaroo eating eagle let's say vultures Eagle nothing you have to but I'm just saying that it's all it's not Haram

eating tigers or Lions or endangered species we need to curve it in we need to go eating wolves right so I'm just saying that it's not Haram according to all the other methods it's Haram that look the meth labs have disagreed in almost everything from the beginning what's the big deal we don't we've never had uniformity you know we've never been just all monotonous monotonous ly one that has never happened so where people follow different views they do so look

if some gay people right I'm just saying let's say some K Muslims said oh right I'm gay I'm Muslim and they follow that view let's say that they have been some Allah in the past they've been a minority they follow that view that they say looked at this you know that this isn't her or whatever that's the way and we can disagree with them we can say look okay according to my understanding it would be Haram but okay fine that's their way like what's the big deal why do I know I can't have peace until you don't have

the same view as me but you don't have the same view as me in almost 99% of thick like we don't agree in hardly anything I'm Malachy for God's sake the Malachy method this even amongst themselves they disagree so much so this is my point that why do we have the urge to impose on others its armies for me like if I feel look I feel Oh being a homosexual is Haram let's say now that's me fine if somebody said look I follow what called the i habe net them said or these other people and it wasn't haram majority of the Muslim did feel is haram bah fine like

what's the big deal do you become homosexual because he said that he follows an opinion that is homosexual what's what's going on like what's the big deal so just let them be it's not like it's not like if it's not like if they didn't say that they're gonna stop being homosexual they still gonna be you don't resolve anything that's my point right so that's what I'm trying to say and you know the irony is somebody just on they said liar Wiseman Wiseman said liar and I sense I

don't know but my gaydar detects a raw nerve listen who semen what's his name with it her semen what kind of a name is that semen Oh whose mind a lesser rather odd name to name your child who semen okay rather cruel who who semen this one who semen not you

women never semen which post-16 semen with the semen come from well whose semen I just want to say look it's alright you can come out of the closet [Laughter] anyway all right so all right so I just wanted to god I don't get honestly I just don't get the the big deal but I think look just live and let live believe what you want for yourself what I can pause it on others just you know

if I believe look like think about it if I feel eating let's just say I don't know if I felt eating crocodile was Haram which I don't but I'm just saying my Leakey's think is permissible and somebody said no according to me eating crocodile is is halal fine it is ain't gonna make me run out and eat a crocodile

just chill chill man chill and you know I don't get what the people are getting upset about I'm just quoting how the orlimar had you know that they were probably in nature least bisexual in nature I'm not saying that I don't know whether they practiced gay relationships but they they're probably most of them didn't but and you know something in that clip I quote a lot of people and I'll tell you people you know some of the things you read about some of these

scholars you think you know I'll give you an example there's a really famous party right really famous study katisa right he's one of the key transmitters and he was a major grammarian as well arrival of SIBO ways from the time of the salafiyyah now his name is Cassidy now cursor is one of the main trance meters as well of the one of the Tara out of the Quran as well now they would say about him that he was epic he was a legend he was like this he was like this

and you know the guy knew his he's Cranmer to the tee and he news recitation like clockwork and he knew this and epic but then they would say oh except he would often write in our week later I know carry your demon Abid oh yeah tell a little man that except that he would often be drinking that kind of like alcoholic drink which he believed was halal and he would often have kind of gay sex what

with his with his servants he says with his male servants yeah till Hillman now you think I'm mr. whole season I feel like I'm like lost out yeah like what we went from he was his epic is a legend you know it's recitations on point is is this is this is this oh yeah I need to often drink nabis and have kind of gay sex with his male slaves and you think huh like wait a minute wait this season for in season five go how did I end up

they like but I mean so my point is people need to seriously tone it down I'm just quoting the scholars don't shoot me don't shoot the messenger you know the hadith says the messengers are always safe okay a Russell Amina now when a messenger brings a message no attack me and on or tack i messenger only you know only only this one only no sir right