Risalah 01 - of Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani [Creed]

right so so so rough either in public a llama I feel local to see online of mutton textual variants of the mutton if you mean by that of a significant type of do you mean by the wording or I just talk about the printing obviously there's several prints available but do you mean this a said words different I don't think there's any significant differences but there may be in some

language groups subtle differences I don't think the difference is in the reseller are significant now I wouldn't imagine so I mean maybe a subtle word here or there but generally I would think they're very static because it was so popular extremely popular you have so many many scripts to it [Music] you just include escape maybe about one two more minutes to the notice beginning Sherlock

you for people that disagreed people that disagreed with this whole belief and period under a lot of stress a lot of theological stress now so that being said but what was the debate behind this though before I am in the speech of God there is a slight

different take to this that lose any of these actually political as opposed to just purely theological consider theological debate that rules the Quran is the Quran the speech of God because if it is then it's uncreated the pastor theological side right the other the other the thing is that I know this this other perspective was that maybe this was it was a political take on this because if you are saying that you see

the Quran is the uncreated speech of God it becomes almost an absolute source of authority and authority I mean we know that anyway but you see the ruler of the time is need to be visualized the shadow of Allah on from in a metaphorical shadow but it's meant to be the laws were presented on that God's representative on earth so the ruler is meant to have a significant amount of authority that because unit we were

presenting God on these in his earth now if however we also have the speech of God which is really amongst us and it is only best understood by scholars it supersedes the authority of this representative of God on earth which is the ruler so this kind of will not allow some of the power

it's not reflecting which is

this just kind of brought into them and not so carried away with them but I do still

find that slightly difficult to digest but it may have been but its interest is an interesting take that maybe there was a political angle to it right okay moving on well amenable other say he was already and having faith with destiny lady it's good was already an expired holy sweet movie and it's bitter

Allah has predestined what ideal or more the lattice for these multiple paid to come about is from a lot of judgment Allah passes the judgment for certain things to happen I mean I see everything before its existence and everything run

in accordance to allows will and power because it can also mean power as well what we get the name of Allah Kody the powerful mighty that there is no statement or action from his servants except for Obama except Allah has freed has determined this matter and decreed it or said that I am a movie and his

knowledge of this thing of this issue has proceeded and the actual things Allah knew would he who has created not know one lakh people Haditha me is the world not beef with commission in one way the most kind but cousin to mean the one who is aware of the most subtle of things so be it the most away you didn't mean yeah sure

he misguides whom He wills well you know we hardly he and then he lets the person go in his own way behind lately through his justice through loss justice when yeah the mania show and guides whom he wills but you will open before me he directly will and realign with them to successfully like before Nicky through his Villa to and through his kindness and his blessings right now

what we're talking about here is really speaking of destiny now which is further further in general utter welcome our destiny and decree now believing this is generally the belief of the majority of Muslims that we believe that everything good or bad is from Allah okay but in Fern has been given a certain amount of free will now the concept of God own freewill destiny and free will is can be at times quite an evasive taboo topic and sometimes it may

seem a bit difficult to grasp but that's because of its nature you see what we are saying is that war knew everything and he he is only in that way but he's given us a choice I mean one of the best way learner Oh sinja toot that has made sense to me from one of my teachers was that the spoken word but there is kind of suspended if you like Decree and what that meant was that

minimaps like every possible truth that a person could have made has been bad for this person now what Loyola and designed but what and what they will choose has been elected them however even better Wuornos so it's almost like saying the similar to do our computing in a video game the only thing that could possibly happen in this video game is really designed by the designer yet they left the free world of the player to kind of see where they get in the game

I'm not dating however except in this finitude in this example obviously we do not know with they will get you but a lot of knowledge is infinite and complete they Allah knows everything now this to me this this concept was denied by an early creep of scholars and then it became a sect known as the Korea and we actually actually refer to Korea because the people but they referred to as the people but their innocence

because they denied it that's one now they said that we do not we cannot accept Allah decreed it kind of designed for this big evil in the world so they refused to accept that it was more a rational argument than anything else and they said that we cannot say that Allah decreed for people to have confirmed or decreed for people to commit sins and things like this they say we cannot accept that now see the thing is

besides their argument may seem almost evil pleasant to the ear that look what you're saying is oh that's nice you know you saying that what you're trying to say is a lot hope nothing negative associated with okay when you start to kind of further into the argument you begin to realize what being said is that

law does not have absolute control very well demonstrated this point in a debate actually a live debate with a classical scholar I as far I mean who is actually sharing a very popular scholar looped in but that he wants entered the lesson and he saw this stoller church as well but

all the other very popular Martha Z's dollar somebody be on the screen for denying destiny and these people they were expert linguist and expert rotations and things like that they were now called abdul-jabbar was there in this machine and he said he's kind of he's sitting there he sees these people and and he needs the provocateurs promoted present but it's intended provocative so he said so Parliament another uh Natasha

so he says praise be to Allah who is both are

you saying that our new rules and wants to be disobeyed so I was happy with Brian he responded by saying if it all he's suggesting that he disobey against his will and power meaning that even though love did not want a video he still is going on and happening so why is almost incapable of stopping is now Edison so at this point I wish I did the

process he says he says if he prevented me from from from guidance let me decree this guidance for me he says what kind of a leader and he decreed for me to be destroyed in description you know destruction that's all year destined for me and the poetic nature of the dialogue was awesome as well and I mean something you don't read yet today

in today's debate right he said do you think that if he had done that he's actually done something good to me was he done something bad he says if he prevented you or deprived you or something which was humors beneath his indeed he has done something something bad what you can allow for Rockefeller

force will be he is it however if the thing the guidance that the bounty that we can the reward awesome the rules or something which belong to him then that is the grace and the virtue and the blessings of Allah whom ye select for whom he selects for every rules at this point they say abdul-jabbar yeah yeah no comeback basic yeah nothing to say people actually say that you know whom you can respond to that and everybody kind of walked away from that little sitting by saying that you know there

was no comeback and that is an interesting little discussion to kind of think about just listening here this really people who deny destiny they were kind of on one end of the spectrum end of the spectrum you have the Japanese a group that emerged by saying we are absolutely coerced to do everything that the Simla tude of a person is like a rock or stone it is thrown by somebody else the stone itself of no free will one of the stone ones that's because of

really the person through it now this this group was known as the juggler yeah general means like coerced cost and these people were just by forced to do everything so you know it's a bit like if you if you like in a time of for the law I'm the ultimate back when a person stole something was known for its justice I found it not robbery can people I know that present some time to misrepresent this proverb nature of

Islam and they try to say all these all the punishments all of a diesel there are procedures and there are several arguments before a case is even built autism but anyway coming back to this I need to hold a law in his time somebody stole something and they asked the court and began his investigations and and yes the person at the time you know right at the end after everything had been proven in the witnesses and everything and the minimum amount of of what was stolen had been established there it was much above

the minimum amount so on and it wasn't something like food and it was so anyway they were going to set about the kind of sanctions for this person which would have been in that case gotta to kind of cut but I decided to ask him he said listen just in case you know maybe there's another argument so you ask this person he said why did you steal my content that maybe not maybe if there was something like if the present said brought this was for this reason that reason bit they are safeguards which will then protect certain sanctions coming into place

so these persons response was all it was mean father Allah it was the distance of Allah but Allah decreed the ocean steamers and all right that's the destiny of Allah the meaning what type of an argument is that like you know you can't you cannot use destiny and decree to justify your mishaps you have to take responsibility and this is where between the joy area morning the cautery on the other end

this is where generally as the summative of jamar took a middle of moderate stance where they said look yes they decree their destiny Allah has absolute power years will control however he has created within us is ability to choose and this is what they call Kasper in Arabic they say that the believer all human beings in this sense not just believers that they have the ability to choose their actions to New Testament okay so that's the freewill although everything is still kind of bound within

the limitations on Baba's will so I know that this is a bit of a complex than the intricate topics or do your culture it may seem confusing at times them it's one of those things that the whole amount of acidity to say others destinies mentioned then just but obviously just let it be it's one of those things that you're never entirely prosper we I think what we could do is finish this one slide which would kind of come true which is still speaking more about destiny yet a lot of these are were the other ear they are the

contrary and they are the same group by a different name and the question about the martyrs level in our destiny and the reason they call democracy that is because and one of the founders if you like the founding fathers of the martyrs illa movement was worth it not brought his name was and he was asked you know Hasan al-basri the great today and what happened was he in one of his lessons was sitting there in the Masjid and a at that time those this great fitna which we will actually start reading about in

the coming slides now it speaks about are you if somebody commits a sin are they still a Muslim now listen I do believe that you still or Muslim no matter what sin you committed okay we still remain within the fold of Islam now there was a group known as the horrid who began from the time of either of the along this militant sect that believe anybody who committed a sin becomes a tassel so now this was a type of fitna that continued for you know a generation or well now you see that in his time this person approaches is thirty silica with haslam both of these they're mostly not far more these of the

people to say in there and they ask that a person commits the same are they a movement or the occasional being believer or Kathryn so before the Jamieson old responded em in and like I mentioned the horrible a democratic but before has nobody could respond with leading this circle this thirty circle what we thought would be incredibly articulate person he responded I'll come back to the action because there's some stories about him being so articulate even though he hadn't listened now the thing is he responded straight away and

said he said he said well warm up me he said they did not tell him and he's not a believer who will be one villain rather he is in a station a rank between the two ranks so this this three ranks that he's come up with the class there was a believe on the wrong and its little which is just a suspended state or something totally mean nobody before him had come up with this so when he said that she dances and mostly actually got quite upset with him for what he just

said so he did so then he walks off mean I don't want anything to do with this this group and if you're not happy with me and this is when he got up and walked off the statement is the hustle-bustle is at the address alarm that is kind of isolated himself from us and that's where this group got the name Martha's in the isolated type include because it follows on that statement of a snow possibly the interesting thing coming back to destiny is that it can be quite overwhelming innocence but it is to

understand the basics really just to understand what's being said and how the stance of artisanal Jamar is really one in the middle would if not gone through is the fact that neither country was the Jeopardy here because both have huge issues this is really a continuation of of the same type of thing we read and if you look back and it was in for cool this is comedy but all kind of set up with a theory on a track if you like which Allah has said for the LMS overcoming enemy to us proceeded of a

road knowledge or other he and his destiny and power means shall be no sorry whether somebody is where somebody is damned in the sense that well they are whether they have been destined for for damnation aside or destined for good fortune is a boat but anything should occur in his in his Dominion which he does not want

which he does not should be anything or anybody that is a creator of anything other than Allah who are delighted that he is the Lord of the servants were primarily him and the Lord of their actions and this creation thing is really talking about things like creating ex nihilo like creating out nothing behind me not creating from

resources because we can do that nobody people never used to generally use the word even the market at least say we make our own actions but they should refrain from using the word like Hulk we create our actions until one of the major scholars in my body and he was actually the young Kalani who went on who I spoke about went on to eat the martyrs in a school and he kind of refuted them and became well one of the

key pioneers also our battle cement along Tamar in fact according to many traditions of first listen to use that title in its entirety as a group as a movement so I wanna Dubai is also very key player in the intellectual Giants their arguments have been transmitted through the books of autism people the general authority many of these groups

have cease to exist for centuries for over 800 years the martyrs have been extinct yes the philosophies they believe the biography the achievements have been transmitted as a presenting trusted legacy if you like upon knowledge 'martha understanding the books are transmitted the arguments and the statements and even transmitted the books of these people preserved the books so you know people say all Muslims and they just use the dryer this is what

I saw it's disgusting to see when people tamper with books and they will change text because they don't mind now disgusting and disappointing it is because all these sects that we are speaking on are actually non-existent extinct for over eight years

the would you have been extinct for years yet the opinions they also be the arguments either the books of these different schools actually transmit their so auntie these people why would it transmit their books why you say because it transmitted them to kind of as a kind of because they faultiness the

most an interested piece of knowledge which they thought that they were kind of duty bound by the Sharia to transmit as knowledge as part of the heritage right not to deprive people of knowing of this heritage it is a responsibility is a duty okay that the Muslims have had to this heritage to kind of transmit it in its entirety so when we see things like what people are playing with actual copies and scripts and kind of altering things this is a huge huge success and they are completely oh no winning of the salute of the characteristics and the qualities of the

people before since um during the halaqa team and the one who decrees and estimates estimates kind of includes guessing usable who measures the movements of creation were our journey him and the Des Moines and how they kind of their death if you like and therefore easily you need him the one who sends messengers to them little dirty are

leaving in order to establish the argument against them now what this means is that Allah is the one who sends messages to people and he sent them why so people can be a comparative and this is passe we rely alive empowering human beings on the creation and also it does count an argument against some people that is granted obviously people denied message but these are with disease now is is moved away from his color destiny

and power of Allah and how Allah has measured things well and the world of Allah I'm now moving into how Allah has been contacted or contacted not the communicated to his creation by sending messengers and generally unlimited welcome I believe that sending messages Allah was something you don't have to do what he did out his grace the martyrs we that did feel that martyrs let it feel that they this was something love Musti and this is something we will expand a conduct at the eaves of the martyrs

there were they believed that there were certain things which allow was found almost duty-bound to do and there are things that right along must all we do that which is of most benefit and wealthy to people whereas similar do not necessarily believe we believe a lot you know yes Adam Ayesha Allah can do whatever he wills if Allah wants somebody could be worshiping all their life and you know lies not in need of any of their worship yeah might as I said that that was irrational and illogical and therefore Allah must

reward this person is good and I mean I know you're listen to this and a lot of going through this I mean I hope isn't it too confusing because sometimes there's more things I can I can explain certain things and sometimes it can you know refrain from certain things I'm not too sure whether how second is be going on and maybe you know but I won't want to do this be kind of confusing little more by just like expanding unnecessarily on certain things but there isn't interesting the old thing to touch up on the about - la shadi when he

they say one of the reasons when he kind of left the martyrs illa thing was he had because his uncle was a great martyrs in like a lion - but he was an absolute legend amongst the Mozilla now but one of the arguments that would hustle actually presented to them because he was an absolute expert as well absolute legend when it came to things like you know theology and reasoning he said to them because the martyrs did I believe that Allah is duty-bound to always do that which is the good and he can never ever basically that Allah can never do anything which is harmful to people that people can

only do things which are so based upon disbelief he gave a scenario like a type of this hypothesis raised that there were three people and he said and they all died right and but the thing is before they don't one of them is a worship place I believe they worshipped all his life he worships online to the best of his ability and then he does and the early attack after disbelieves in Allah and dies and the third is a child who dies once again you know just a child so we don't know anything about it state yeah mostly part not even a Muslim for just a child who dies as a

child so he then asks you know he's coming to my library what is the fate of these people so they say well that's simple the person who worshiped Allah will grant him if it was since the end everything provided it was then say was he said that Allah grant him gender and forgive him what a man the person overcast it will receive damnation eternal damnation he'll be put in the Hellfire and the child he said we'll look top because the child has not

committed any sins we also wrote agenda at this point I will have I shown you have to pay attention to this business of this person it's an awesome argument that he builds up he said that he said ok so will the child and the worshipper be in the same level of Jannah and they said no that will be unseen because this person is worship Brody's life and they believe that Allah must do you do you plan to do that which is just so this is so that they respond but they know that the person of worship will be in a

greater level of Jenna and this person will be in lesser level of Jenna so he said at this point that the child may fade that's not my fault I died I would have you know wanted to do more with my life so at this point the martyrs of it but alone they are you don't know the future however I let you live you may have committed sin you may have even committed come from this belief so I took you at a point which was good free so he said at this

from the CAF it will say Oh in that case why didn't you take me when I was a child and here they were absolutely I mean they're just gobsmacked in us they have no answer no response to this scenario and this was one of the key arguments that has actually had an easily used to kind of refute and turn away from the Martha's now kind of refute the police I think that's kind of ended this session next what we've gone on to is like that what you move on to

the seal of the prophets all right I think what might be usually now we are going to some questions because any questions and then I know we're kind of running a bit over we did start ten minutes late and that's why we've kind of gone more or less run to the time so I'm not sure whether this is warranty over just a group of people that say they said that

actions have no impact whatsoever in the in placing upon faith so they said the same way as they sorry as good actions cannot help anybody who disbelieves likewise the bad actions can not impact anybody who believes so as long as you have faith it doesn't matter what bad action CD they had the motion did not live for so long they were just a group that emerged and then they died out very soon after but that was generally the breathing and then this term has been thrown around a lot of

people who resembled but well not actually more general something we'll discuss in another session about how it's all dangerous and really unacceptable to be kind of using terms that refer to a group just because there's some similarity between people and because

that is an illogical argument you cannot do things like that okay is impermissible to be doing things like but so um okay can you explain the difference between free between between eternal and pre-eternal why do people use both question up a the health of this balls versus a term they tend to me when it's regressing it's going in the other direction they tend to use external so pre-eternal just mean well you know in arabic they tend to use the word people by date it's pre-eternal all the ways our team

has in pre-eternal but we can mean old as well but you can in a theological sense mean pre-eternal as any higher nor beginning so the debate that you know obviously or why they will say theme is pre tell hope is the world pre-eternal and this debate when something your thirties with a theme or vision is a noun and then we use salute which is in the or anything so that's something which is eternal okay do the humbly appear to take them are so many clowns and citizen okay very good question I mean my understanding is that is still there

I believe that it is to power over all other people may disagree and you know you get some type of harsh extreme type of view sometimes for people's they know anybody who has that type of humbly views outside madness and that's what people have gone to extend all I'm trying to say that's cool the other hand you've got people who aren't very literal say that yes literacy is what is the facility of the next detail what you're referring to but humbly what they were traditionally they will say in my understanding that all of

these are still within the scope of us is something to watch about whether they are shally was or whether you want to say humbly not either literal in our paper why do people insist on saying we but instead usually convert people that say we are trying to say you have reverted back to the state of Sidra so you're upon as in this was before you were upon this directly time you've been taken away from it now you've reverted back to it so they're making a bit of a statement convert it means you've

converted to it that's why I tend to quite often use the word convert myself right English that you've got a good point Alex saying how you mean you can see that about convert and reversion conversion relief some people it's a big deal out I can't see what the big deal is personally very interesting any other questions

anything else because actually began begins we will jump straight to it there will be along you know this is how you do something this is this is macaron this ireland's of this and this amongst that this this was the evidence right now we're not really we're not either so this is a fellow of theology theology OGM I hope it's not put in you guys are so I mean what are you guys how do you guys find in this so far that you service from Hungary here I do a more in this time in the Salafi Crete is the humbly

I think the thinking work about Gotham will kick in like destiny bring a different way to know what you will eat what you think of this because because I know our teaser can this be rules is not abstract and it's also sometimes it can be overwhelming sometimes some people I think were they going so much into this something I think knowledge which I

don't also it's very interesting for me to get some feedback on how you're thinking I know quite a few people [Music] mentioned or foe can see that these are both is off and they take that literally understanding because I'm teaching is all for my personal stand is that I don't personally take these things literally I do feel that these things are language which help us to understand

a lot I think all Muslims will agree that Allah cannot be confined to time and space if they agree upon that principle then direction is also brother necessary confinement to space so I believe in what's optional are we going through what we should believe in we're going in what we should believe this is what we're covering so for all Muslims should believe in this like destiny covered a lot of names for Allah is ezel powerful appearing is all this and you

know I'm moving on a returning to death all good and bad comes from Allah all these things we this is what Muslims should but even so not idea is that it's very similar to justice - are eating slowly central differences that's all now going to that because it's I think I'm afraid I mean answering the question not because I don't want to kind of lose people in the in to finite detail because the Marshall idea is more or less exactly same as the Sherry's except just they've got subtle differences things like for example free will if it's something which is created whilst you choose to do the action or

was it and the quality that you're really empowered with them so I commonly see the point or too many thing going into that that's like a split between actually there's only key some differences that they've got I've missed the first class but I kind of understood pretty much the neutral available at the download if you go onto the website and you can't find this way unfortunately chunk of this class was missing because I realized that it wasn't what I'm saying missing wasn't being recorded online but we still have a recording of

it so I mean it's something like 15 minutes of me will be recorded but I know there's almost something like 45 minutes in between that wasn't recorded from I'm not sure what probably since I realized that online recording thing had been paused because we've got the full recording here as well because we've got two recording so if somebody doesn't want this or they can watch what's available but is they feel that this and things that like will make this available as well which we do intensive on doing anyway the other recording so I'm just saying soar whatever it is from

the previous lesson whistle very simple straight to the point oh you mean excellent excellent I mean I'm obviously to stick into this whatever it can be they said this is the API section but duty on research I have some research points page and then you shall life you got no questions you can this is more to do with the managing fit thing now related to research over next week Google the seventh Oklahoma Deena

and one of some of the if you want maybe we can leave this the set of point for now I mean if you want or you can do that where are some of the principles the school of Medina has adopted because the hope is we've got through a bit more of the arcade and we're ready to move on too thick but because it's reality library but I think it's important in fact if you do go with this so who will listen for carp Medina finding out about them and there are some of the principles they will saw the school of Medina has adopted if you're looking to this maybe Google research it YouTube it whatever try and read up about a bit

logic is all about remember it's all about actively you have to actively learn okay I think if that's it I'd say just like um allocate somebody type in something okay so our stipend or something when we you can google it and so many things sorry read your question some resources for these online there are seriously and there's so many things were really excellent reading are brilliant thank you for that people if they can see I don't want to I don't

want to you know the research question I don't want to give it t as a like a download the reason being because I want you to actively find it okay there will be other things which I will just gives you were also here guys you know is that is it text or is this user but there's some things I want you to actively look for and because with that you will actually learn so welcome all okay once again it's been an absolute pleasure I totally really do I love going through this web stuff I mean to me this is awesome no matter how tiresome it gets it is absolutely awesome so once again

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