Imam Luqman Ahmad | Recognition for Black Muslims, Race Relations & Real Talk | MindTrap w/Mufti #17

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email Missy LTI marina and Salam alaikum warahmatullah and dudes a clock reading so we're having me on your show right now no it's an absolute an honor really and a pleasure to have you here chef just for our viewers just today's show I think I was having some issues with Facebook so it's just being streamed on YouTube for now and so I mean many of you are on YouTube anyway so cool I will later on put up a link to Facebook and I will put up on the ashes page as well sure so what's the

situation on the ground over the I know that there's a you know there's a lot of fuss around due to khromov iris to in relation to shutting mustards down there's you know people a lot of mayhem love confusion let us all about it chef well to be honest with you will having that value mean you know we deal a lot as American man we tend to want to deal with situational reality you know with respect to our religion with the federal

laws with respect to major decisions so there was a major decision to completely padlock all of the masajid you know as many as they you know that came under that jurisdiction where there's really no jurisdiction but there was a decision made to padlock masajid in the United States of America and so the majority of them are closed shut with no activity whatsoever and even in the you know in the Toledo metropolitan area all the

massages are shut no activity some online activity are mastered in Toledo Ohio the total mass of the slab actually we remained open we still have jama'a and we still have because we feed people like eight times a month and we have other social service programs going on that people depend on so a decision was made for us to keep the masters open but also in recognition of the corona pandemic to take certain precautions and certain modifications as

to occupancy the number of people that can be inside the mass at any given time spacing the availability of mass loves and things like that that were in keeping with you know CDC recommendations as far as social distancing but the idea one of the things that was presented to me about you know was asked about this if we had closed our mosque yeah yeah that would have meant that there will be no mosque in the mess politan area of toledo that there will

be no place where the name of Allah subhana Allah is mentioned in his houses okay so I actually started campaign you know to open up masajid to kind of get boards of Musashi and the Imams to reconsider their decision because as Muslims this is my my view that as Muslims we still have an obligation to when we make major decisions like this because this is a new decision just has never happened before in the history of Islam where you had the Sajid padlock

globally for weeks and perhaps months at a time there's never happened and so when you make these kind of decisions and you still have the intellectual and spiritual obligation to number one think it through number two you have to think about the repercussions that happens because of that you have to think about all of the other auxilary activities that go on with misaki being open that won't go on now for example you talk about our we're Samaritan cup you talk about iftar you're talking about the Jamaat you talk about prayer in congregation you're talking about people taking the Shahada you talk about counseling you're talking

about a lot of other activities that when you shut down massage it those activities are curtail or completely abandoned temporarily as well so I really felt that the decision of though absolutely well intended and well within the boundaries of setting our law considering it is a rasa a dispensation rustle shutter yet mean that you'd make a contingency ruling based upon condition and so okay I'm not saying you know stuck for the law they closed massage you know there was a there was a

legal reason according to our laws following key tab and Sunnah to close massage but that same dispensation this is the GZA my point that same dispensation under the law that Rossa it allows you to modify a religious activity based upon your circumstances that also goes for making a reevaluation of that decision and see if there's some midway between completely closing the master Sajid and come and having full you know full throttle there is a midway

that would have been in keeping with the health concerns with the CDC which was social spacing like so what would that middle way be as a suggestion what could be such a middle woody well the middle way and what we've done in our master than other people have done is that is that number one we keep the mastic open so that the remembers of a law is still going on in those houses because remembers of a law and his houses is a right RIT and a law says when when you are the Messiah delay he for in the hammock topic elope whoever considers

the these activities to be great this product so what we did we have our masters open for the prayers but we limit the amount of people who are going to pray in the masjid really miss spacing Jumana the amount of people has always been less than 20 people and men eight and twenty people we have a fairly large message 20 people sitting at the listened to the hubbub that's about you know they're about 15 feet apart you know and so we had that and then we also have when we pray that we pray in no more than clusters of Ted usually is

eight or seven so you'll have seven people praying over here then you have a gap in the line of about 10 feet and you have seven other people praying over here and instead of having our rows one after another we skip roads so even when we pray to a prayer which usually takes about all of maybe seven six seventy minutes and it's not a prolonged period of time and also during the prayer people's mouths are shut so what we did look at the met we look at the professional and we've got the health directors from the CDC

from the state health agencies in our state we looked at what the president you know what the president's recommendation from his health team we looked at all those together and we saw a clearer way we can have some limited activity in our masjid while still maintaining the preservation of health according to a reasonable standards so if a person goes to the bastard he has he's less likely just by virtue of the numbers and proximity and

interactiveness he's less likely to to be exposed to a virus that he will in the Masjid because even after Juma instead of people gathering talking no people get up and leave no so so and then a lot of people wear a mass and we also provide a mass you know the masses are gone people take the mass take them home but masks gloves a bacteria we also we also sanitize the Masjid before enough to do him every slug zumar so when I'm done the hood but and when I'm getting about brothers already sanitizing the rug dirty senator

in sanitizing before you come so my position machete I expected it was dead like I said before based upon a hadith where the Prophet said man the hate to come on the whole budget any book but met with the cumbia but minimal Muslims hopital this is whatever I have forbade you going stay away from it and whatever I have commanded you to do do of it what you are able and we know you you know this that from the basis of our our souls are from also the foundations of our legal philosophy in Islam is that if

their action is Rajab something is incumbent upon you yeah if you cannot do it all then you still obligated to do of it what were able so it's like if you can't find water you can do Tam him so it's like so to make a jump from having the Masters open for full services to completely shutting down a message to me it looks like saying I can't five water so I'm not gonna pray no you can't find water you can do the next best thing you can do - mmm or I can't pray standing up so I'm not gonna pray it off no according

to shut you out a lot if you can't face there and yep you're pretty sitting down I can't pee sitting down so I'm not gonna go to break so so it's like we took the Rossa which is valid I'm not even condemning anybody who people you know imagine a Mears and boards of trustees of Masada they make decision denying absolutely certain they felt was in their best interest I have no doubt about that so I'm not talking about people's intention I'm talking about law I'm talking about Oh despite because because the presence of a pandemic does not give us the

authority to completely dispense with our religious laws were applicable that was my point and so that they would since there wasn't too much discussion about that and that was my you know I had kind of issue that I mean part of this and extending from it or this extends from the source that there you feel that there isn't enough dialogue in the community especially spanning across Muslim communities what else what would you feel I mean this is very imminent it's something very immediate it's something that's happening right now all

across the world but generally what are some brutal dialogues that ought to be had in your discussion in your opinion and I'm not being hard well I think that and I'm only speaking for the United States yeah a big I believe I've been learning a couple times you know oh well bring it you know so I buy I have very little knowledge of your culture in your country but in our country number one what Americans in general are

more they're more pragmatist in ideologues we're pragmatist so we she's upstairs hiding from you I got my kids here so I don't know look for her but I wanna say somebody's talking real quick okay no I know I just think that okay we are on a precipice of a kind of a new civilization elite I think and I hope

because historically in the United States of America we do not have as Muslims the type of open transparent dialogue across ideologies across political views and inclinations that we have as Americans so as a regular Americans Joe Muslim American you know just the people just put us on to the side for a moment you know there's there's conversations there was conversations in Catholic Church about closing the church and and there was differences they discussed and he said

well hey we're gonna okay the church is closed but they were I know pastors that we're having they were having on Sunday some ass in the parking lot okay this is what everybody come in a parking lot don't get out your car and we put a loudspeaker we're gonna do it that way someone having duck drive-through some are having mass but they instead of putting the the little wafer on your tongue with your hand you take it put it with your on so they you know most of the churches and church leaders that I know of very few said we're just going to shut down the church

goodbye we see you when it's over and that seemed that what happened so it's not your issue that we need to talk about furniture such as what I mean as a from a greater perspective what are some dials that this is something that you're very passionate and very kind of involved because because there's number one we're talking about race because we're Muslims and we do have a racial problem with them Muslim America that there's no doubt about that research I've done studies I've done pulls my own

notice three polls where ninety seven percent of black American Muslims believe that there is racial discrimination within Muslim America and even I haven't told immigrants and non black Melissa but there's there's a high recognition of that and it's a very very difficult topic to discuss because especially since 9/11 there has been approached to present a certain sanitized narrative of American Muslims to the American public but the problem here is that Americans were pretty savvy when it comes to politics we're pretty savety we're pretty savvy when it comes

to race issues because we have dealt with race as an issue that we debate it was talked about with legislators about it we fought about it people died about it we had a civil war there was largely about the issue of race so when you are in America as a religious group rights a Muslim or religious group and you do not directly confront the realities of race and racism in your own religious group there's an automatic lack of a moral credibility on the part of the you know because the basic understanding of Americans that if your religion is not

addressing race directly that you know what you're more of a political group Din a religion or we're not going to look for you for guidance that's not to say people don't come into Islam Allah guides whom he pleases and people do convert to Islam but America as a people you know like politically yeah we're gonna invite their local Imam to come and give the invocation because we're still dealing with tourism and you know and so so we're trying to give everybody a voice but no we don't Americans do not want to hear the religious beliefs of a people who claim that they are people of God but they have not addressed the issue of race and

racism when our own profit salon some of them in the beginning of Islam one of the first issues that he addressed and we know that through Sarah was race he addressed it because any profit cannot be a legitimate profit if he acknowledges or he maintains the theory that one race is better than the other so the probably fought with the racial issue for much of his property but he started from the beginning in example buff listen people who say that in the law freedom I want you to take your money and go free every last one oh and he freed his own slaves and most of his I'll debate in the beginning was a black and a deep them Jabba didn't Abdullah he

he said that did you know I saw the puppets for so long and with him was a man a boy a woman a five slaves that was like one of the first snack essence I have a honey that's one of the first snapshot so I'm you're saying that it's a difficult issue and the african-american community that the Muslim community it's an incredibly significant portion of Muslims in America it's not like like in the UK converts to Islam I mean although there are many but they are still you know very you know quite small in number in proportion to the rest of the Muslim

community whereas in America we're talking perhaps a third of all Muslims is that is that correct well actually we don't really know for sure because I have read somewhere about thirty so it's about a third of the population going back to maybe nineteen seventy or more but there has been recent research like by the Pew the Pew Research Center and it was kind of financed by some large Islamic organization that concluded that the black American

Muslim population in the United States of America constitutes about 13 percent of the overall Muslim population so we're losing numbers but still that statistic is kind of skewed because in this intervention every dimension this time it's a hawk realtalk all the way so according to the same study and you can get this study online it's a Pew it's called the mosque portrait or portrait of the mosque and the same

study they were talking about converts who leave Islam and so in this study they've concluded that for every 10 people they come into a slam ten people leave Islam however their estimation of what constitutes leaving Islam is different from what we know on the ground for example a person may and I'm good I've been I'm born and raised Muslim by the way and I've been a man for 25 years and I've been teaching for 40 years I mean I look old I look young

but I'm really old but but but what we know as emacs living in America working on the ground even academia and dealing with the situation of reality of Muslims we know that that Muslim that people might have considered that he's less left Islam where she's left Islam we know that a great number of those have not left Islam they just left the body of the Muslims and so scientists just because of racism because of isolation

because of not understanding because of being marginalized their feeling being marginalized so you have a Muslim who you know on the surface if you're doing academic study oh he left Islam isn't it but if you go talk to that motion that we talk to these people we know oh so you say hey I'm still Muslim man I still believe it all I believe in the Prophet I didn't remember my religion because damn I was in the Masjid nobody to teach me religion they chased me out of the message I'd look funny I'm an ex-con or maybe I'm too black or maybe I'm not I didn't have enough money I was that rich mastered and everybody they're driving Mercedes and I was coming on my

bike and I couldn't so it's different reasons some people have left it slam that's that's very true but but so but black American Muslims still constitute a tremendous force of Islam in America I mean without done and that's despite the marginalization that's the spark the racism and I'm not saying here to you shifted that all immigrant Muslims are racist it's racist that is certainly not true there are many many many people of all background to understand the racist tint or the modulation of black America I mean I've I felt I mean just real talk

but I'm gonna be honest that I felt especially within the Muslim communities the the kind of even if they are now born and raised in let's say the UK or the US or Europe but of a migrant kind of origin so let's say that they see the Arab kind of background that you know real being real that there is an immense amount of discrimination and even if it's not it's not one of projected hatred necessarily but it's one of exclusion to opportunity so it's not

that lets say they see a convert or a black muslim coming that they're gonna feel that oh we hate black people but what they will do is keep the real things always to themselves that they will you know they will exclude opportunities of let's say not really include them in so many things that i I myself have felt this when I've seen you know interacted with whether it's masajid or Islamic centers or things like this and I'd imagine it's exponentially kind of much more significant in the u.s.

because here comforts are still a small proportion of Muslims they're not that huge in number but in the u.s. it's it's huge so I remember coming across a there was an annual Black Muslim conference set up re some of the scholars and I and I spoke about it a few years back saying that you know I think that I actually I felt that it was a great initiative because in the sense that I felt that it's the other Muslim communities I'm not going to really create this platform for you so it's it's great that you know some people have kind of stepped forward

although on the same token some people might be thinking oh is this kind of pan-africanism or I'm kind of you know like very black nationalism is in the black Muslims nation of islam even though it isn't but what are your thoughts on this share well listen let me say this first of all that your your your intellectual and scholarly value with me just shut up about like a thousand percent okay because the fact that you hit it spot-on and you have no problem talking about it in the public forum i just want to want to say i have

a lot of respect for you about that's why i came on your show because i know that you you know yeah but you hit it pretty hard but see here's the thing racism is so on you know this look at it in the in a in a spiritual shady i sort of spin okay because i think that everything that we do especially as imam scholars of islam we have to spin it within a shetty on a islamic kind of context in that context of course racism

in muslim america is nothing like the racism that existed in the slave trade or Jim Crow laws I mean there are some parallel examples but there's nothing like that in Islam is more like a just like you said just like you know you're black and you're lesser then but you my brother in Islam but you know I'm a charge right it's more like that and so it's just a racism comes in different strains because race is one of the premier diseases got even port Street on

himself down I mean he was you know he was bored down you know he said any I'm I'm fired - he's the mud dude so I mean basically here so so so it reasonable is reasonable to assume that Shaitaan if he wants to undermine Muslim civilization in a country like America where may have you don't if you if you don't check race man you know eat you this country knows that even white racists know hey we need to do it this racism thing because we just can't be racist because it comes back long as we're even losing you know

we're losing talent you know we want to get the talent so yeah so but the thing is it works at the heart of a lot of what Muslim Americans are trying to achieve instead of and such as like you know fighting against Islamophobia getting really recognition of Muslims as a viable spiritual civilization and more credibility and and and and and in America if you're religious community doesn't have moral credibility it doesn't mean you can't exist this is a man we're a secular country the separate church and state and you know if you're

a Muslim especially you spending money and you contribute to our economy we don't care where you from you could be whatever commerce do you want to be you're paying taxes you're opening up businesses you're paying money of course this is America but in terms of more credibility and affects the more credibility of not just the immigrant Muslims we're who who have kind of like the upper hand in terms of social economics in America over black American Muslim but then you have other things there are extensions of that racial kind of modulation such as the the muslim-owned liquor stores and black neighborhoods which is like that's it

doctor it's not a common phenomenon is it that is a common as that's as common as you can get because okay this is the estimates of money that Muslim all liquor stores pump I think the figure was close like three hundred three hundred million dollars a day out of black neighborhoods and you go to any black neighborhood okay you go to any place where the state does not control liquor sales now from Pennsylvania where

the state controls liquor sales but Ohio California in New York Wisconsin Atlanta where the state doesn't control liquor stores and liquor can be sold at your local you know corner stores liquor beer we you know weed material all kind of stuff lottery you have a overwhelming dis portion disproportionate amount of Muslims who own those doors and so that's kind of your ex your that's like your exploiting the poor and black communities by by

facilitating the very social disease that contribute to their direct decline and I'm gonna tell you something if a Muslim lives in the black neighborhood but most likely he or she is affected by the same you know social economic conditions and the same a blight and the same despair with you have it and the same unfair laws and a criminal justice system that sucks about a neighborhood that Muslim is still subject to the same thing that everybody else never black neighborly that's why you have so many yeah like tons of Muslims in jail and so

that alone just just expanding or just unpacking that's like you should how does the alcohol out of curiosities let's say selling alcohol I mean first of all I had no idea that it was muslim-owned liquor stores where such kind of in such proportion but how does that impact the kind of the- how does that produce a negative impact on race relations well intra muslim well because because it's not just alcohol alcohol lottery ticket drug paraphernalia you can go to any black neighborhood in america and

you can go to a local store and buy alcohol cigarettes drug prepping and crack pipe meth pipes crack bags the bag your crack with pornography there's not so much for not reading down because it's online but you can get there and you can clearly see that the guy behind that counter the guy that owns that store is a muslim sometimes they have muhammad and allah right there you know sometimes they everyone I see a woman whether he dad or happy job on and so the people in your neighborhoods know that so that it will the alcohol itself somebody's gonna sell it Muslim don't

sell it but if the Muslim is contributing to the very ills that other Muslims from those neighborhoods are trying to stop it's like weird it's like every time we go five yards would be a pushback twenty yards and so that over a period of time it contributes to the civilization decline of those people you can end in stone that's why in those neighborhoods those to the neighborhoods you very rarely see any Masjid built from the ground up by combat community you know because just important neighborhood what because this is me I'm

telling you real talk here so the perception in black neighborhoods of the slime people to convert to Islam and people may have a general respect to listen but they look at black Americans like you guys are stupid to even be a little samhitas your brother Muslim is to do dive by my lottery tickets I buy my liquor from you know I I borrow money from he's the guy yeah you know sometime I wait from you do your do I buy my we come you do your religion you are clearly a subordinate of that guy because people who all these local stores they're kinda looked at as kingpins in a [ __ ] because

you take up more neighbors like you got a business coming back to that is coming back to a clock and character I mean I mean it's and with the drug thing that that is actually a very similar phenomenon in the UK that unfortunately it is kind of like Muslims who appear up so prominently in when it comes to drugs and the whole that whole world of dealing drugs and and doing things like this it's usually a very Muslim dominated scene yeah you're the thing is that you have to keep in mind that okay that the person who converts to a slide

right number one he's the guest our guest he's a guest of a lot more time he saw a loss sake because it's not like okay we're making these people become Muslim Allah picks KUB Muslims even listen you know Ross says mind you did level and yadi he yes the rule in this lab so we know that and that presents new civilizational blood in the omen so under a slight law there's a certain sort of decorum and responsibilities that the people who come into Islam I

don't know some father master finished talking I'm almost done so but but there's a certain civilizational responsibility that the people who already Muslim have on those people who come into Islam and the Prophet said I'll a he's artists land best she's over at Sanofi row for in the member earth to him or best sure Dina remember if Tomas city okay I'll call

holidays at the slab he said give glad tidings and do not push people away from the religion because you were dispatched as the people who give glad tidings and not as a people who chase people away so the reason why these issues are important because not just because of the you know you know of the consequences of racism or racial politics or you know the student economics you know neighbors but they have Islamic legal repercussions

and so like right my position this is that we have to as Muslims we have to have civilizational grade discussions that's just it we have that like we're talking civilizational stuff right now you and I'm now have tools now imagine if our conversation was amplified we're imagine America is having this discussion you know people are seeing it you know because that that will lead to a certain amount of enlightenment among most of America because you know we can't be in America as Muslims in and and you know and the highlight of our life is that is that is that you don't

hate me is that we defeat you some of of you that can't be our civilizational plaque oh well at least no and these and they say like this that cannot be is that it's not the way forward [ __ ] what what is that the solution what all any what are the possible solutions for this dialogue there's a couple solutions in my in my view a lot of it a lot of the solution I think the onus is on the black American Wilson community

themselves because listen I was born in Philadelphia Pennsylvania but if I was born in Palestine if I was born Syria and I just came out of a war situation and I was you know born in you know Afghanistan and they just have thrown my village and I got to America for some reason man I'm going to try to make it work now I'm gonna try to do the right thing but you know it's not like all emergency liquor store immigrants come in and participate in in a viable business and activities academic activities that's a benefit to our country so you can't really say hey man there's you know there's certain now

success here and we were slaves and you can't get at some point the black American community who say to their Muslim still have an obligation to for their own a civilizational preservation so there was a time and years I mean say seven eight years ago when I first started to write about racial maybe well maybe 2002 I started to write about racial politics and Muslim America right and here's the funny thing a losses for decorating it if he's not married please stop it go somewhere with that week they just shown so no so a law says for that care to in the differ or

tanker or Mabini and I'm gonna tell you something about Muslims of course you know this that Muslims out here what color you are where you're from your background and believer is a believer man a believer is a believer I believers a belieber so you can't lump racism o on the doorstep of every muscle memory in America now there are some racism but there are many many Muslims as well who believe who don't know the situation I know so many you know who support the Islamic causes all over they don't care about color you so a lot of I was emailing for over twenty years of a Masjid there was 60% Pakistani origin

60% Hannity Pakistani you know so you have Muslims who do not racist you know but you have that black American and this is I don't know if you heard just to turn shake the black slave the slave mentality yeah so you so you do have a certain amount of slaves aboard the mentality that many black American Muslims still have summit from prior to slam some of it happened in Islam you know there was a [ __ ] WA issues maybe about five six years ago

did I dare no scholars in America so you had black american muslim believing it's impossible for black America to be a scholar is like impossible that can't happen you know even some of the Sufi tariqa not not in Sufis I'm just saying I'm just talking about critical race theory as it concerns our situation reality as Muslims so yeah just just just a sorry just to interrupt you this year for for viewers or people that will be watching this this is a term that comes up quite a bit could you define that term I mean what does this mean the critical race theory or what do you

understand from me or what yeah that's a better way what do you understand from race theory is it's just it's a it's a theological concept that examines the position of a race in a race and culture and society races of cultural society as it relates to race love or power so we said what is the role of race in a society or a culture with respect to law

power and their culture and so but but critical race theory is more of a way for academics to talk about racism they get funded for having these longest dialogues about racism but well actually actually solutions of the of the consequences of racism are not done so like I said you know Americans are you know you have your theorists and you have your your pregnancies but most of the work that's been done in this this country all racism has been from a more pragmatic course like okay this is you can talk all day about racism but what

are you gonna do about you can talk idea about rhesus Muslim Erica but what are you doing about because people have suffered from other people have left this lab they're people who've been traumatized you have now you have this is not this is a theory of mine that I bought something I believe we're going is is a post conversion traumatic stress syndrome PCTs D cuts because of race and because of the marginalization or intellectual marginalization of black American Conference to Islam there has not been

steady on post conversion traumatic stress syndrome or stress disorder that people who converted to Islam the psychological on nuances that occurred with them within your families within your open rejection isolation all kind of stuff in like and I have liked so much I got just just to be clear just to be clear are you saying that this you know this this kind of trauma that is being experienced is this you're saying this is not or is this from the urge it's due

to the conversion but from the Muslims or from their external factors or from everything I have about maybe 350 personal testimonials of Muslims white black Hispanic who have converted to Islam so the Muslim commercial I'm Muslim now okay so you're somewhere big nasty mostly maybe back to say or whatever maybe black but say so we are in college students to you hey I want to become you go to the local clean dollar master you become Muslim they give you a Quran here's your Koran brother they give you a pair of muscle up muscle up

much luck but because you're not on that culture and because maybe you're black maybe you're the way you got dreadlocks or something okay so you're kind of left on your own so or you're say you're say you're a Muslim you go into a master right and you might have seen these happen yourself yes you can't say go ahead y'all get opportunists now just keep a weekend you got take that phone over there take it moving I can't hear so if that person is not

see with the proper decorum kibou Brotherhood maybe he's struggling with his salat and it's important to him brother you know he can't get through slot because they keep correcting him every time he says the first time Fatiha and so he starts to feel rested so when you come into a slam and you read about Islam I want to become awesome and you come and you see that we have not really self actualized the teachings of Islam to a civilizational degree as a whole that can have a dramatic effect on a Muslim I this day I have a I know I know people I

mean I do a lot of counseling I brought the clothes for them I'm not gonna mention his name but he's a he's YT you know maybe he was from 30 years ago you know and he was like you said gifted student I mean Braga's him he was like real smart guy come from a kind of well-to-do family and he became Muslim and he brought the whole thing he bought me Islam yeah I'm ready and so sometimes mostly go through you want to go to a page of Pakistani and he go today I wanna be Arab there and he might get on the African thing you know but she's really not finding your niche and you know virtually everybody who became Muslim during this time he's seen he'll come and go he held fast but it

really had a really serious psychological and spiritual effect on his a guy I mean somebody that he's a friend of my I mean he writes me he comes in my page and there's other there hundreds and so that is your post conversion traumatic stress disorder right there the only reason why is not study dancing as a discipline is because we're black that's great that's because we're black just-just-just anytime you have um have a legitimate psychological study that needs to be done that you can definitely

sheet the affected and we're gonna do PTSD or on his karana thing people say I was intruding man I lost my business snickering you're a sure she's gonna pay for man you to go see a psychologist about the fact that dr. crony you moves in the house hunker down and you ain't know what was gonna happen and the trauma from that so we don't study your own trauma and so because of the civilizational relevancy is all connected and now I started Studies on that and I would feel I mean it's I know it's very but this is just

you know it's been real that I would feel that it's in my perspective unquestionable that talent aside that obviously talent is always a crucial factor but that there are certain people who will attain certain limelight they'll be given certain kind of and people that may personally love and you know a duel and listen to and follow but the truth is if they were black let's say they've converted or whatever but they're white they will get sometimes like a great pedestal and they will you know people will listen to them and

share such and such all started such-and-such but if it was a black person although it's possible still that they attained that Imam would but it I feel it's so less likely but it's kind of so handicapped in that favor I'm just being this is my perspective from social media know this you're absolutely right that's just from anecdotal evidence I mean I mean you know so yeah your perspective is which she actually happened in and it tends to have an effect on people's self-esteem on their love for a slab or I know a

loss together it was I'm gonna probably the property y-yeah they get confused and but as far as solution is concerned yes there's different path toward solution my position as an Amanda and as a scholar and as someone who's been studying Islam intersectionality of Islam in American society for like thirty years like really really doing the fieldwork that big part of the solution is creating awareness amongst black Americans black

America mussels seriously because listen you have to look at the brass tacks of a slap still you have to keep in mind not all blacks but you have to keep in mind the 70% household the father's households in our community the like the availability of drugs and alcohol heroin and crack right in our neighborhoods to crack academic you have to understand it the music you know the lifestyle all those things that have affected the black American community has affect the black America Muslim community

so so either each other civil you know listen for the average immigrant I everybody I'm not saying one is better than the other to say you're talking about two different civilizational histories you have introspective all I'm going to have there if we could throw a very controversial question you know that you know sometimes and I'm not saying I agree but I'm just putting it out there for you for your thoughts to come back to it you see you've highlighted these things that look this there's a great sense of impoverishment in the black community there's a sense of a drug problem crime problem the rack

may be fueling that did broken homes or single-parent kind of scenarios the mass amount of them people some people may I mean wrongly say or whatever just just being real putting the question there that look that why is this not a a self-created problem that are the black people the black community is not responsible for their own problems that this is a question that people would put I mean what would you how would you respond to that well you know I mean

it's an actual jihadis right yes just in terms of introduction honesty I have to leak reads to a part of that perception because I because you can't to have just type of civilizational decline in a free country and still playing you know you can't you know like you can't do in America and blame the white man for everything when you have their freedom to make your own choice about this net and that's that so that for that perception is partially just partially remedy

so you know I'm not I'm not you know in order to have a real discussion you have to accept that when people make a good point so I understand a perspective in and that's even other amounts still have that view sometimes like this you hold Amanda's you know you can't blame the immigrants for this not not because you're making the decision to do this in that night you're making a decision not to build a community you're making a decision not to spin on your own master you're making the position not to pay you're a man not to pay for this not to build that not to be committed not to sign on the dotted line you're making so blacks make decisions black American

Muslims that is make decisions that contribute to their own spiritual demise and disruption just basically setting our law you know so look says you know and they're saying what is better than the other be saying that lower Muslims so that's why that's why the verse so perverse you know the verse you probably know this that there were losses in the heavy or mattoon in the heavy Omata kokumo to wider the call that Ummah and this verse doesn't mean over like Ummah a means area according to the majority or Levasseur

in their heavy shot open wider because if we look at things from the Islamic legal perspective of Quran assume that law then everybody's kind of issues come out and everybody has to be kind of equal because they are mostly Muslim you know we all got a face alone but if we're going to exclude parts of our Sharia in addressing our problem it's not going to address this problem but I'm not going to really look at it from a share your perspective I'm gonna adopt critical race theory something I can hide in and of course you can always have this a civil you've always had this civilization or malaise that's that's - my I'm yeah and

that's I'm just under on that point I was going to say that the I mean it's it's undeniable that the the kind of the handicapped ground that they are the black community starting from anyways because they're starting from a ground with so much baggage so much victimization of the past a stereotypical kind of perspective in society then ghettoized kind of communities that there are that exist in in America especially so it is already an uneven ground I mean from my perspective I would see that but I want you to put

that question because people do ask that question I mean we see that's a valid question because we see even within like let's say the Asian I mean Kali Asian he has in the South Asian the Indian Pakistani kind of communities we see the difference between the kind of Pakistani communities in the UK and in the US and there's a huge difference because those that migrated here came from rural backgrounds they were mainly people from villages and those that went to America were mainly city folk they were already educated and professionals and hence I love the American Pakistani communities will already be very middle-class very

upper-middle class some of them whereas here they will be clearly working-class the outright majority of them they're not going to be and then they've kind of created pocket ghetto like communities here yeah so obviously the situation I understand in America is much more drastic the whole racism thing is much more on your face you guys are more down-to-earth over there so yeah I mean you know like it's highly unlikely that I would be talking to an imam or chef in America on this topic that's being broadcast live or because he will lose his job tomorrow they're gonna say you

know what [ __ ] you can't talk like that because that's embarrassing I mean you're obviously independent and I've known other you know British Muslims nor ruff you know that you guys are rough like us you guys are no because even British society you guys argue in your Parliament like yeah you bloody blah blah plums we don't do that you guys are

you know you guys are feel that these conversations are so important I there are certain demands that I do follow on social media American I mean African American Imams and amongst them I was I remember uh maybe about two years back or something but there was this whole incident I don't remember the details of

the incident but I do remember that oh this particular Imam had kind of lost his job and this this was a man mark a man Mark manly and I think he left his job we but manly and I think is an you know great person really down to earth I mean his things are usually just very but it was this whole thing about just that culture not fitting and this whole kind of the committee you know they have a particular outlook and and if you discuss certain things it's it's very problematic and you know we need to you

know either make life hell or you just leave or we psyche you and I think this this is why I was asking what would what all the solutions are the solutions that you know you feel black the black Muslim community should paint it almost cheeks or that it should have more dialogues but will dialogues ever get anywhere do you feel I think there's three paths toward and and we shouldn't waste time getting right to it number one black American Muslims have to

rec recognize and I know my writing so my ideas account ahead of its time but black American Muslims have to come to the conclusion that they represent a totally new indistinct civilization so you have to look at you if you look at yourself in this is America when we broke off from Great Britain and we force them we decided hey this is America this is our country this is a civilization you didn't have the King come and tell us what to do after we won let me kick the British out you're behind and when you sent your home across the water and we made our own laws and we had our own civilization and

we didn't say what did a cake think know what do our Magistrate right here think and so black Americans still a lot of our aslam is still affected by maybe a dozen a show like a dozen or so a spheres of foreign influence that we still think we're subordinate with our colony of the immigrant community of the herb community of the Pakistani community what do the chef's say the chef said how do you know the Sheikh said thanks Kiwis Haram grandma's house for Thanksgiving what did you know what are you talking about that's one of the principal ways of showing us that your

parents in America and so we have that we're still kind of coming out of that I mean I wrote a book about that but all my books of course please do please do I wrote a book called double edged slavery but it turns very talks about the colonial disposition a black American Muslims I also wrote another book called you might you know like this but this it's not as bad as it's called the devil deception of the modern day selfie check and they're both but it's not it's not I remember a I think an over talk by cher

face'll decades ago something like that yeah my position about the sulla p is that this Union you and I know we follow the men had to develop in our kita and I'm in had in or in our law you're a Malachy you gotta be you know but seller femen has and the modern a cell appears two different things and so the monitor shall appear do yourself float for the views your shelter in and so I saw the book but the book was really deal it was it started off with the people writing me letters about the seller Pisa this saying is I said this is not gonna last this is crazy

and you just all these letters I'm responding to emails of my friend in Philadelphia and ended up being a book because I started to examine from a our key to perspective from a shittier perspective from a sulie perspective and yeah we follow this elephant we're not you know you know how so as a solution please be quiet don't you see me talk man take your brother or stairs please please please okay

so my idea and number one you have to you have to address the coloring or disposition of black America Muslim commerce and white American to the greater community and to the most of the would see that's number one number two black American Muslims need to strengthen their own community they have to realize that you know there's no Calvary coming for you and I and I don't blame immigrant community for not coming to help you know help because they do they do but there's only so much you can do when the people do not want to do for themselves

you can't just you can you can I can help you okay I want to help this brother don't talk but if you're not willing to do the same a hard work because I don't care the immigration come here they work hard they work hard they work hard they get that miss everybody but they get married they build their families they don't play around way I'm telling I'm speaking as a new man who have had a memory of Muslims come to the country in Damascus I was in a mob and been here the whole 20 years I was there the whole time when they came from Pakistan hey I'm coming this Kinnear I've seen Pakistan's come to or Masjid in Sacramento

by house around the corner and they only speak English and they go school and he opened up a tire business he didn't ever want another tribe is work everyday from from you know seven I mean every day every day every day you working every day so hours a day putting it in people come here do that so you can't begrudge people who take advantage of the opportunity of America and so black American Muslims they have to listen if you want to build a civilization and the community there are things you got to do you just can't just know happen like that you know most of Sahaba anybody else any civilization builds them then

we don't have leadership you have to establish some sort of line of leadership we can't go into muscle America a black American we don't know anything the operation mainly as in the as a mob we don't support scholars we don't support him as a lot of our man don't they don't get paid I'm telling you for my life experience you know but yeah those two books you know and um and I want to mention to share if you in with your permission of course you promote something wrong I'm here don't go through the book SS slavery that

really kind of double-edged slavery and the devil's deception of the model they sell a few seconds through my books are available on Amazon they have some other coming out on my Facebook page he says look man Achmed [ __ ] I am conducting a couple fundraising campaigns if I'm a Texan of course of course go through [ __ ] one of them is to lobby masajid and

board members any man's especially with Ramadan coming I'm been lobbying I've got quite a few to open up I've been lobbying massage it to open them their you know open their moss using the guidelines that we kind of laid out that are with in keeping with Shetty Allah with keeping with civil war with the CDC recommendations and keeping with the safety of the masses because people are like going berserk with these masters being close I mean I'm getting emails every day you ma'am I'm depressed

because people normally can go to the master you find some set this solid okay so that's that's my other solution yeah yeah and I I've been raising money to do that because as an imam of course listen you know we suffered too from this economic I'm just saying you know as Hemans we're not supporting and when the Masjid clothes and nobody's coming to the Masjid then that affects our little bit of salaries of you know people and welcome to support me as a new man

people who go to chefs paid I will as well once we once I do upload this to Facebook because today I had some issues with Facebook I will tag you in as well ship so do people do look for the ship's profile otherwise you'll find the tag on my page and do support the ship in his efforts and get hold of those books they sound awesome chef I want to repeat your brags on something and you know like you mentioned about one of your books about the seller fees and and you're speaking in in mind with race relations and just the perspective you see I want to kind

of pick your thoughts on these a few sessions ago I was speaking with and we'll start there from America's well Chicago and she if she mentioned a concept of soft Islam and hard Islam but I mean just just holding on to this notion soft and hard Islam and by hard Islam I'm probably hard Islam I mean this kind of like this everything is very rigid Motty kind of like self yes whether they Salafi or not so they could be deal Bundy or Salafi but something very harsh carries a uniform it carries

you know like a very kind of coat like mentality do you feel that people like comforts from the from the black community let's say because they come from sometimes and I'm not trying to stereotype but sometimes in America they may be coming from a very harsh background ex-cons or you know a thug lifestyle or something are they heavily drawn towards a hard Islam is that kind of like they psychologically are driven to something that they meet something very dogmatic

and harsh and is the case to a certain degree and and and to varying degrees no you know I humbly I would say this you know like I said I was a raisin once women I've been I'm 61 I'm 61 okay you're rocking it shift 61 I grew up in the dollar Islam movement my father wasn't he mad my cousin was any man in the daughter Islam and post Darla same movie were always Sunni Muslims and

we're very much connected to the Muslims going back to the 1940s and 1930s there's a continuous since Oona of knowledge of Sunni Orthodox Muslims from the 1930s all the way to now I'm fortunate my family's five generation Muslims so we've had a chance for a period of time you know going on in the hot dog theory you will be able to observe certain anomalies and certain nuances in any civilization if you're able to look at it from a generational perspective if you look at it

and so black American Muslims come from a very background you said that we and the reason I'm asking this year is because sometimes like you see I have like I see like how I teach my kind of teachings and sometimes I see profiles and friends on Facebook and let's say from Muslims African American now I will see that I think sometimes let's say they ask me some opinions or something I think like my opinions might be too soft for them because they're not like it's not what they you know I'm

looking for like maybe they need a very regimental aware as I'm maybe too wishy-washy for them and I'm too kind of like so uh so I feel that do they genuine is this background what's kind of pushing them towards this and yeah so that's what that's where my questions kind of coming from yeah okay because so now you're talking about just some of cultural differences okay so listen in your from your perspective right you your parents the Muslim grandparents moves because of that uncle you know when you gotta get together for four

eight man probably 200 wrong yeah so you got the whole family so there's always a great degree of Islam being carried in the family right so you don't gotta be all harshing knows that that uncle muhammad be the hardest one that little Zozo you know we're wrong Wilson to this and we're not trying to have a family fight but if you're the only Muslim and your family the only one listed low do your family you talk about halal food is matin they smoke a lude here what so

you're gonna tend to be a little bit more rigid and also because like I said we're brand new civilization the new sensations always had every dinner look at the companion of prophet who were who were there cobblers to his left the first no here they were they were they were like this ever but I said this is Hawaii load when their own e-m-f Allen can you do who can inaudible I'll fight them he they do you're gonna easily they hold back wonder I call for me and we bitin now somebody else after is been arrested this this is talking about the can this kind of we're gonna the words

do it this way he's like no no whole bags of cat I'm fighting you all right so it's a different type of thing when you're dealing with [ __ ] poof and [ __ ] in your eye like remember wasn't obviously something when he when you bill told him that the Corden's of the Kaaba is the Kaaba been destroyed every time that the quarters of the Kaaba is wrong and and he said he said well I if it wasn't for the fact that people were addicted I feel Islam but they weren't the Muslims I was dismantled the Kaaba and we build it according to the specifications in brain

and I make a door to go in there door to go out but you see if I did it right now they go crazy so we had that kind of name toward extremism yeah because I sometimes filled [ __ ] but like you see because yeah no no no I totally understand I you see from my perspective I'm sometimes like my kind of angle is mainly to Muslims who have become kind of disaffected with the kind of religiosity that is found amongst kind of like the clergy and they they buy many of them either leave Islam or they

become kind of so distanced from Islam so sometimes like so when I see things my this is my lens but I sometimes fear just just real talk like sometimes I see let's say I'll have certain friends online social media they'll ask questions they maybe they don't have to be kind of black American Muslims but they may be as well but now they may see some of my fatale while like sometimes I've said things like I don't believe marijuana is necessarily Haram I've said that I believe it's more a it's not necessarily a good thing but I said I don't believe it's Haram and I've said

things like this now to them I fear that these things may be the last pillar that they hold on to for Islam like you see it may have the absent opposite effect because to these people who may destroy their thing and I and I do feel that that person may have come from a family of drug abuse may be generational throughout the region your diction so you become Muslim hey man I doing the weed I'm not doing a drink I'm not doing nothing you know and so that is representative yeah we think he left behind

yes exactly it kind of represents the world he's left behind and I do feel that sometimes and I kind of find myself in a strange place because on one hand I don't see some of these things as haram I don't see them as good things but I don't see them as haram but let's say or it could be things like for example should we wear a hat should we have a long beard should we do this and and I have a certain way I'll be like no it's not necessarily like this like men can wear earrings they can do this but I feel that on some some sometimes I fear that this you know this the person who this represents everything they've left and to them I may be knocking out

the final pillar and the roof is gonna collapse kind of destroyed you know I kind of I do find myself sometimes in a strange you know I'm just being real that's what that's really what draws people to you is that you're real because you know the first or then that were real they were they were like a you know a chef it was bought into uh into its he eminent changed he was like it was like you know what he think he's

coming here and she was it wasn't for I'm Amish a bunny who talked to Holly Pizza hey man he is your relative like he is great-grandfather's regular father's cousins that's how you got spirit so there were reals being real about the situation position you're not going to get everybody to Cana you know and when you come out of the shell which you obviously out fulfill you know you know you're talking real stuff you do get a lot of pushback but it's some of it is because of preferences some of it because we're still as I'm not

talking about you and I as westernmost I'll kill you from your rescue work there your worst of course as Western Muslims we're just opening this box of realism now it's just like we're you're still on the ground I'm on the ground floor but we're just having this kind of conversation so probably the next generation you'll have some sort of and shut up we should go around and and in the Royal don't give me they don't have as a concentration camp but and so we're we're you got to keep in mind think of things civilization is [ __ ] look at

things from a civilizational perspective and then you see a whole different aura it brings a whole different dimension to the conversation if you look at it from a civilizational perspective and from that perspective no we just we just started touched on these issues you know I mean like okay Halloween you would I disagree on the Halloween thing I mean it was I tried to make my ready kind of respectful because I liked it of course of tellson and I understand that it is so and I do get it it comes back to what I was just saying now that you see it's sometimes the the angle that people are coming from and my lens

is it's like this I do in my right I know it makes sense from your perspective from the people that you have dealt with the most okay down here I just wanted you what the hell I'm not new to you know but for somebody who they're episodic memory is full of visual a schism well Halloween means in the ghosts and the goblins in the world and the movies and Ghostbusters and Dracula and Bela Lugosi and going back to you know freaking stock so and this is part of your episodic episodic memory

frankly well Halloween represents a totally different thing to you let's bring it all out of curiosity [ __ ] like you know let's say these ghouls goblins Frankenstein which is do you really think though people from that they don't distinguish between faith and these fairytales but they'll just won't they just think yeah this is just a muck around you know we're just having a bit well because we know by Sharia law that some of these fairy tales are based in some parts of reality okay it's accentuated of course you know it's

it's exaggerated for how they would say different very closely by the rules and goblins when you know who'll who does see me Latimer WB that's the out of it work and so we know about earth them we know about earthbound Souls idea we know about Jim's we know about there's still remnants of of the of the time of sulieman' you know about you know will be made movies about flying carpets and you got the genie to live all that kind of stuff that did exist during so demons time so and we know about witchcraft we

know about magic that stuff is real so so we don't know to what extent some of Halloween rituals represent real life shaytani rituals and so for the American Muslim he's acutely aware because in our history we've dealt with that we've dealt with the roots and spells all that kind of stuff is just to come from yourself you come from the you know from the know from the islands the like the West Indies then that is part of your culture voodoo is part of African culture right

and so that's bringing all that back so we're going to be out there how is Haram but secretly I'm going to talk about real time listen how many men wanted in me I mean you ma'am I you know I I miss you know academic stuff but I really I'm Conor up front lining man so realistically you're gonna have a Muslim listen man I don't care what Google what I want some candy my kids want candy I want to shut him up the Candy's free Ryan get this and they can go out and get some candy go get the candy that makes the kids happy and they may come from a family that really doesn't have a whole lot going on

so Halloween represents a day kids can get up get dressed up and drop you know I remember what my son's what to do Halloween was crazy he said I boo this is I need about seven or eight and he said boo listen I know all this stuff I know it's no but I'm gonna fill this whole thing full of candy man ditch all that candy will have to buy me so that one year I let him go with his mom - it was like a control Halloween - you didn't dress up but I understood and I

try to let my kids you know no you know I can't because you don't want to get man sometimes you've got her on everything and sometimes things are Haram but you know they think this is the proper choice someone said my pajamas are no meteo ha top one is what you said almost okay rowdy my oldest pardon for alcohol he says my almost party for their mistakes their

forgetfulness and you think they done out of compulsion so there is a tendency to get so rigid you forget about the photos losses well that's not so full of a nickel you have to still keep your mind and we're dealing with law laws not no no I'm gonna Halloween you about to go to gender so so so so that's our job yes you're a night job you know even just cut it so we're gonna have to do that kind of stuff and take the heat where I take the heat for a lot of my businesses now I take

big heat like you know I'm at a point my life willing you know you know I have used profanity in the past I just I just I really had to go through some changes with some of my older friends they might my sisters I mean so that's like that's like and and sometimes it's good for people to see the humanity yeah absolutely absolutely I mean the human side the real side it resonates there's

nothing that's soon I mean the proper for somebody didn't get dressed up and said okay these verses came down I said can you go get my shape up and no when he got the verse he came out the Prophet was in his tent you know this city chillin in the verse came down yeah I an ester yeah I heard that it's a cup of cold in the desert society tsunami so when that first came to girls he came down he was in his teddy was traveling he ran outside I said eye on us it's a couple come in there's a Zilla to sir I think he ran

out to tell their people yeah the verse came down and you really do you even finish my come on back up here here I mean they say so I really hurts a slam I think for imagine scholars is important well I like the way you've joined that unrehearsed I like that it's really it's a natural that's what you have the Institute that's me others and people need to see and this land is on the ground cuz most people you know most people just trying to struggle you know so I don't we make allows Haram or vice versa but you know there's always gonna be

that you know so you're always going to get the people man the people still complain about me daddy ma'am he wants to open a mastic okay I took the lyrics to John McLean or Die McLean's bye bye miss American put your very good song alright but it got this song for Miss American pies that class came out 1976 when I was in high school

I used to love that song I did this song and I replaced the words with you know bye-bye mrs. brownie goodbye through my chevy to the levee but the lengthy drive and so okay and so I can sing it sing it if you watch it but some people look at that as that's that's a sacrilege somebody text me and said what kind of a

man would sing songs on Facebook I don't know any missing songs on Facebook I'm just saying we are going through a new window almost of civilization yeah it's not a conversation to you and I have right now which many only happens here in here hopefully by next three or four years demands are gonna be talking all over like yeah I guess speaking of struggles and tying in with the whole conversation that we've had in the early part of this dialogue about

race relations and participation social participation now that you grow in the black lives matter movement do you feel this was a missed opportunity for the Muslim community or not really or what are your thoughts on this absolutely real talk [ __ ] listen I understand black life matters I'm not a big supporter of black life matters I don't think Muslims need to jump on every political issue if you're gonna jump on it don't jump on it in the vein that they're bringing in

because that might be different that might be the right that makes it gonna fall sometimes although you know muslin or support black lives matter listen my issue with black lives matter I'm not putting down hey more power to you know I'm not gonna go out here and and and a protest cuz we tell them against it but I'm more against black-on-black crime so I'm saying this if you think that's bad there for police to kill black people then it should be even worse for black people to kill black people over nothing in the black neighborhood now I got issues with that okay so I believe in you know like I said I'm an

intellectual jihadist so if you're gonna come if you want me to do a subdued or something you need to really have your cars in the right place and so sometimes Muslims and then sometimes it's disingenuous if you have this you have some Muslims is like okay because you gotta keep thinking we're post 9/11 we're post 9/11 sort of post 9/11 narrative is to sanitize the image of Muslim so that the Muslims in America and some of the immigrant listen man we were just hundred percent solid citizens and the only way you can have an issue with us is that you must be in this level for now most Americans are now

going to go for that they notice a bunch of crap and so when I see a black over that organization might care and I'm trying okay I like here and I got frenzy sometimes they take it as a religion like you can you carry the organization's they can be criticized they do who work but when they care representative is up there talking about Martin Luther King Day let's go March black lives matter but dude you got racism going on a Muslim American address that and then out on a black issue you're Arab it doesn't matter I'm saying there's no it's true is voting real tool coming buddies here before I

was any man I was a political analyst did you know that no I didn't [ __ ] well okay I worked twenty different political campaigns right here in America I mean I wasn't always Alice I was a grunt work I was a grunt guy brings money knock on doors I started out but I ended up being a Steve I organizer I worked on mayoral campaign kumatora campaigns presidential campaigns I said I should work up a swing vote I should do the stack snare we can work we're working very hard pushing official I said it was mary fishel okay late more official he developed a first

graduate the first graduate study for political campaign management at campaign at Kent State University so the first place in America you can go and get a masters degree and political campaign management was at Kent State University and that program was City but was developed under the lamer official and I studied I said me me am I'm saying them I studied with him I was taught by this guy and others you know so so in America you got it you got the politics of Islam and the religion of wisdom I

think they imagined no both either that or Muslim communities in America they should have a political wing because a lot of times Muslim email check this out shake this you don't like this Muslim a man's are interfacing with Muslim politicians so as I mean mmm okay yeah I know imagine an executive committee of North American mass federation okay me know

Sony started make it the first executive committee I was wanting to me so so I know shakes personal one-on-one be so it's a different story but otherwise I as any man black American a man's don't talk to immigrant man like okay I can't call your man sold so from this city she got a man let's get together and do someone so yes he has to go through his board mmm I can't you can't make a totally independent decision he can't he has to issue so I've been a weak one to do you know the same day and we had the

meeting in the Masjid and the manager here and you ma'am says write that [ __ ] humbly left let's do it but then next week the board members did no we're gonna do vice we like going by that side II you know so little fault of the emails cause he managed this kind of like at this position here you're all depends specially so we don't have that kind of wide open dialogue so a lot of times my safety and he-man may contact me or shoot me I had a friend of mine very good you know popular [ __ ] my man but we're friends from 25 years okay

we're buddies just be careful man because you'd be talking that stuff yeah what you said is right of course but you're pushing buttons and so but I know that as the intellectual just that is matter so you have to push the buttons a little bit so the ensuing generations you come in with a milder approach that's just history that's just know my politics that's just everywhere that's just the wiggle you know in order to get dialogue started sometime do you guys see damn it we're

gonna talk about right now oh I don't know so that's why I said anyway I started talking about racism and coming out with Mike I have an organization called mas Without Borders [ __ ] and maybe guys this is we're gonna take the

door down we're gonna kick the door down so that other guys can walk in it's also so many conversations I have is just so that other people can have the conversation my start talk about racism Muslim America uh-huh that may be easy for some housing or you know there is racism they were scared to talk about it so sometimes you have to kick the door open in order to start the dialogue I think it's I think it's amazing honestly I really think the fact that you not only champion these things but you'll you know you can openly state them and

you're happy to do so confidently that's necessary chef's we're gonna be beginning to kind of wrap this up what I was going to ask is I know because I know you you did tell me that you did have certain things on but what is there some words you'd like to say to the viewers I mean something you'd like to kind of wrap up on any particular is this a to your viewers you know that we just need first of all if you want to support any of my work go to my facebook page cash app you can go to my campaign to open them as sachet because we want

to get some full-page ads and so the we can really pressure masajid to consider other options doing them on for Ramadan because I just can't imagine we're gonna go through all of Ramadan with a mossad you close so I have a couple campaigns you can support on Facebook and also I want you to visit my blog which is ma'am look man dot wordpress.com a lot of what I talked about on the show today it's on my blog it goes back four years but as far as it words of advice you know this is the Los Portales says it took a lava

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honest this is what we're going to need and so I want you to continue me and and and you know like of course you're going to and hopefully we can have this dialogue again you know really what we need to do is have tough over what we have to realize that we're living in this might be we're living in the last days okay nobody knows when the hour is you know no you know the Prophet said men must all unhappy our lemon SAT so we don't know but we have to recognize your size and what do we do we should be coming together as a woman and people who believe in because I know what they like

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