Did the early Muslims respect the Torah and Bible, and are they corrupted?

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So, I'll I'll check for some of the the names I recognize. Right. So, super chat Idris. A you're doing it. You're doing it. Much love. How did the prophet and early Muslims view the Torah and Bible a source of knowledge, benefit, etc. And did that view change over time?

It's a good question. I definitely feel that the you see the early Muslims viewed the prior scriptures as a as a a source of insight clearly. I mean that's evident from how they refer to them in how they even do sometimes using them.

It doesn't mean it has to be right but it was their attempt to understand things. Uh there's Omar definitely held the Torah Torah in very high light um in very extremely high regard uh right so these um you know so the you clearly yes there is the hadith from the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam that he tells Omar that what are you doing why are you spending so much time invested in the Torah you know, you should be focusing on

what's going on, learning the learning the faith as it's being revealed. And the prophet said, look, if Moses was alive today, he would be following the revelation, which is the Quran. So, yes, of course, but that wasn't to dis prior scriptures, but it was simply a matter of uh prioritization.

Okay? So the Quran was to be prioritized naturally. It revelation was unfolding in real time. So the people around wahi around revelation had to be um focused. But yeah and I think over time Muslim the Quran does not state that um that prior scriptures have been entirely corrupted.

It doesn't say it like that. So, okay. So, this because I've been asked this question as well that look are the does Islam believe that the Quran and the sorry the Torah and the Bible are corrupted? So, this is a layered response.

Okay. So there is a core message in the Torah [snorts] and in the Bible the whether it's the you know the Old Testament and the New Testament there is a core message there as far as Islam is concerned in my understanding the Quran does not dismiss that it's been corrupted. It does not make that claim um necessarily and I don't feel it does.

Some people might argue I don't feel that is what it's saying that they've lost the message. So the message was something else and they've completely lost it. That's not true. Um however, however, and this is where there is a a caveat to it. there's a layer as well if if you want to see it as a layer that the way Islam sees it is that yes it has undergone certain transformations.

So naturally the Bible, the Jewish Bible, the Torah, um it's, you know, it's it's gone linguistic transformations. It disappeared in terms of writing. It's rewritten after Babylon. Um so several hundreds of years it's missing. People are rewriting it. So naturally, you can imagine uh people are changing certain things.

they are um you know maybe they're reconstructing from memory certain parts of it several parts of it in fact the whole thing is reconstructed from memory but I mean certain stories certain explanations may be altered so in that and then they've then the book has undergone uh translations which have given different renditions of meaning.

So in that sense, yes, the Bible, so when people say, you know, has that been changed? Yes, it has been changed. Has it been corrupted? If that's what you mean by corrupted, as in certain words have changed, certain stories may be um differently represented, some may have been, you know, they may have been certain false memories, certain things like this.

Then yes of course if that's what you mean by corrupted then that is true that has happened and biases may have influenced as well stories but if you mean the entire message is is gone there is no message left at all in the Bible or in the Jewish Bible uh the gospels no that's not the case um there you know there's plenty of room for valid me uh you a valid message that is still there in in the scriptural sources but it's in this perspective it's been corrupted if

you want to use the word corrupt. Um so yeah definitely in terms of certain words nuances translations rewriting from memory false memories maybe changing certain stories um and in a in because the Bible is huge so in so much of it that would have happened but the message would still be very much valid that's my take on all of this right let me just right chip You're doing it with the super chat.

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