Why was the Prophet (s) called a Sabian? | Mufti Abu Layth

question going back to earlier on the book that I was speaking about why was the profit called a Sabian that's an interesting point because we're not too sure today who the sabians exactly were there were generally my understanding you see there's a difference of opinion some people feel that they were to do with you know like a a kind of a Hanafy by honey fee I mean a a free-spirited

kind of religiosity to God but it wasn't institutionalized it wasn't they weren't part of any kind of religion like that they were kind of just like Wanderers that just believed in in in in a Supreme Being and they just did good things and meditated a bit like how you'll maybe describe a like a mystic today you'll but a mystic today I suppose it has a lot of the that kind of connotation of mysticism but uh but it's it's basically

somebody upon a non institutionalized way of of of faith of religion and they just did their own thing just had set of good morals a bit like saying today a humanist except with the God element so if you had somebody like that so that seems to be the the understanding that there were a group of people that were like that maybe down in southern Arabia first and then in other parts of Arabia and when the Prophet began Islam began preaching that he was associated with

those with those people so they said to him because it is true a lot of the in the Macan period they didn't used to refer to them as muslims they would refer to them as aliens as in the non-muslims would refer to Muslims as sabians and this term Muslims I don't even think most referred to themselves as Muslims too much after anyway I think Fred Donna does have a point that Muslims early Muslims referred to themselves as muckman believers and they didn't this this Islam Islamization of Islam is a later development I do think so

not that it's so much of a big deal I don't think it massively changes anything it's just a nuance changes that's all but some early Muslims they won't call themselves like the Sahaba wouldn't have most likely identified as we are Muslims they would have probably said we are moving what we mean and it wasn't this kind of and they wouldn't generally I don't think they referred to the beam as the D like Islam as like they've wrecking because Islam means submission so they did recognize that and by the way there was a tradition before Islam that also used the term Islam and he does cover it in the book

as well but I don't think they obviously knew the term Islam and it's not that they would never have ever used it in their lives but I don't think they generally the way we today will say oh I believe in Islam it's a religion we almost this kind of setup was a later setup they had it a bit more natural so they most likely didn't refer to the Dean as Islam probably just as you know they probably generally didn't have a lot of structure ization to the Deen he was still natural and organic right the

title of that book is Arabs of 3000 year history so yeah so that's my understanding that that's that's what I think they were referring to the Prophet as there is another understanding that they were referring to him as the sabians sorry as the d'azyr Astri ins were referred to as sabians I'm not generally they were referred to as as my juice I does appear in the Quran as well the term matures now this is what the Rast really referred to as some people said there was another prophet

that had a book and they and they work all had Scripture and they will call the sabians but we don't seem to know this seems to be a part a lost part of our history the term does come in the Quran where Allah is speaks of it positively the sabians but once again we are not too sure today what they actually were that's what you know we just were kind of all it's guesswork it's guesswork somebody said what about the hadith of highly motile Haram how did we go from sapiens to Mota

ha this is well we'll come to that that's always a fun topic isn't it but let's take let's just