Monday Nights with Mufti Abu Layth: Session 136

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swagatam all right so what is going on miss enter what's going on people what is going on today a bit later than usual I was had actually was getting back from somewhere so got delayed cello title tyre it happens right that's it that's how and as it said in Urdu metal curtain he

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gonna be a stretch trying to set it up and this phone the battery's low on it so I think I'd have to wire it all up and I'm a bit late to do that today no I probably am i it's no it's no big deal it's going to be on YouTube tomorrow anyway but cool so people what is going on what is going on zombies imam hasan is in the house people imam hasan dust you doing it imam tehran guys walls people are still

tuning in and the rest of you are very faithfully clicking like and share not like hell no hell no i think i aint gonna he's an enforcer at this [Music] protein bar and they seems to have got stuck in my in my throat right so

mmm-hmm oh guys an awesome achievement on a personal level that's for me that is that i finished just yesterday this book I mean it looks like some kind of sacred text you can't quite see it from the right but it's I mean it's a great book

comes with pictures comes with a coloring in section doesn't but uh incredibly eloquent Wow honestly I'm just so mesmerized by Tim McIntosh Smith rather by his eloquence honestly the guy is a meso eloquent I cannot believe it seriously I went through the audible version but I because I was I got so into it what I'll do is I'm just going to share a few

words on this book give a little personal review so get ready buckle down people while others are tuning in right so this book Arabs a three thousand year history of people's tribes and empires and it's authored by Tim McIntosh Smith this book the title could not have been made more boring if

he tried but as it said people don't judge a book by its cover although this is decorative however it is but it sounds so goddamn boring and the title does you know Arabs are three thousand year history who wants to learn about god damn 3,000 years of Seth because this is what the attitude is gonna be you know going back to the earliest documented in the book coming right up to the modern-day middle-eastern crises

the Gulf crisis MBs everything that's going on in the Arab world who wants to reach 3,000 years of history it's like Nami it's like somebody when I shared this yesterday they said to me they looked at it and they they commented I can't disclose who they said Musti you must have one dead sex life if that's what you're reading one chooses

to differ you know this book I'm telling you when I got into this book right I was so mesmerized by the whole thing that I then purchased the the hardback I got them on Kindle I got the the you know like the Kindle version so as I would go through it because it's incredibly lengthy as you can see it flows very well I mean I most of it I went through inaudible what I would do is sometimes when I was incredibly fascinated by a particular point I would

also when you open up the the Kindle app it will it will automatically take you if you've got audible and Kindle on the same phone it will take you to where you are on there and it kind of cross-references with each other so what I would do is occasionally when I want to check up what what what was that what what do they say take a screenshot maybe share it with someone have a little discussion on it so I would just go to the Kindle app and just highlight the notes there screenshot it take photographs discuss it in my little groups things like this so but it flows

so incredibly well it's not a boring book honestly by any standard and it's so much more than history history is inevitably being taught that is inevitable but it carries the book carries certain motifs certain kind of themes that like this whole identity thing what does it mean to be an Arab this elusive term and the author explores that in the beginning and how who isn't how is anybody actually an Arab if we're linking it to the Arab the nomadic

culture or is it to the tongue and people are Arabs because they are rubber phones they speak Arabic but then the irony or the intriguing irony is that nobody ever or hardly ever truly speaks the high Arabic nobody does today and did they in the past is equally questionable so he looks into the the settlement of the Arabs how the arrows became settled the diverse kingdoms the conflicts the development of the language what did it mean to speak

higher Arabic and his theory of how higher Arabic developed because most likely Arabic was hard clear Arabic developed perhaps about 2-3 centuries before the prophet's lifetime it's not actually that old before the Prophet so when he emerges initially his understanding is that the Arabs if that's what we want to call them the Arab people because you had the southern Arabian kingdoms the Aksumite kingdoms which is perhaps modern-day Yemen and places like this where you had the kingdoms of him ER and Sabah the ancient

you know the sheba kingdoms and the Marik damn civilization one of the greatest dams actually in in recent modern history in fact in modern in human history that I stood for so long so what is this and that is referred to in the Quran as well so this whole thing of he looks at these civilizations the differences they would have had in languages but in a very exciting way you see this sounds dull this sounds boring when I'm saying but in such an exciting way he ties these kind of themes together develops

them that how it must have been that people initially the way you have this speaking in tongues concept that this is where high Arabic began this kind of speaking in like tongues like they're not actually you know making something I mean maybe they're making some sense but they're using these words and there's a lot of rhyming in the words a lot of kind of rhythm and from here you get the share I've the development of the share now the share I it is not what we think of today is a a shy today is a poet simply a poet like you know I'll sit

down I haven't got any books here but whether it's Halle me that they need da de la vie John a Leah these poets of all do for example these are poets this is not what the term shy was in when Arabic was evolving so the Shelf seems to be someone who he's like a he's like almost he's not a preacher but he's somebody like a Korean so you have the kind who is this soothsayer this kind of person who speaks in tongues and he does all

these things and the charade he travels with that he goes to different places he he kind of does this and hence words are rhyming with each other and he adds these themes to him people and he enters a trance-like state a bit like a shaman today so hence in early Islam when they were saying to the Prophet that he is a Shariah this is the culture they were kind of relating to they weren't speaking like today a poet always a poet they meant like a shaman and how this

sure if aids then in the spread of this language called force 1/2 or higher Arabic and then how this language continues to go on the script because the script we have today is Nabataean arabic it's not actually the ancient arabian script so it was most likely it becomes embraced in he just during the lifetime of the Prophet and then Islam aids in the spreading of this script that we have today it's the Nabataean Arabic script because once the Quran

gets written in it then it it's on nitro boost I mean that becomes the currency that it's what kind of flows so but this this and all these struggles the politics as he starts to question things he speaks about in this book characters that went through certain things pre Islam after Islam he questions things like why why did the Prophet I mean it's understandable that the Prophet gained the support of people but the Arab or a formidable people they were very wild

free spirited people it's understandable that they would you know maybe even give allegiance it's understandable but why would they agree to pay taxes to the Prophet you see this was very counter not only productive intuitive to the Arab people the the status the the free spirit so why would these people not only back the Prophet but they would decide to pay him taxes which was an

insult in the language of the era so it's very interesting how he explores that he has his theories that the perhaps I mean it's very interesting to look into it's very obviously you know to submit her into just a few bullet points would really Rob the book of its status but he looks at all the geopolitical things going on and how they may have played factor in this how he feels that Islam one of the things that incredibly aided Islam and increasingly promoted it or

mobilized it was the fact that it had slogans this is an interesting observation by the the historian on things like how Islam had slogans like Allahu Akbar which is still continued to be used today as a slogan how la ilaha is a lot is a slogan as well as obviously it's a professional faith but it's a slogan and how people it is you see when you rally a people you rally them with slogans and it's interesting how he explores these

things of the the mindset of different people different civilizations how Islam when it does settle after the Prophet the problems the kingdoms the money media the abbasids the the politics oh wow and then right through to the age of you know the peak the age of knowledge and wisdom and you know on the age of Mamun and the early abbasids and then the the you know that the kind of stagnation and then the decline and everything I mean I was just so seriously enamored by this whole thing I

have to give it absolutely top marks is it is for me the second most powerful book I've ever covered in the English language that's for me because it covers so much more than history politics psychology philosophy everything and so eloquent but that could be see people said to me that look mostly so you definitely recommend we get it I don't know because as a true if I'm to be objective because look it's not like I'm gonna benefit

it's not like I'm on Commission so if you buy the book I get anything or if you get inaudible so a true statement from me is that rook I I don't know I don't know if it's for you that's the question because you see this book came to me with almost divinely you know like like at a divinely appointed time it came to me it came to me at a time when I was researching Islam origin theories I was looking at the arguments of Islam

revisionists like Patricia crone and other people and I was going through you know Fred Donner and all these other guys their works I was questioning a lot of what war is Islam history how did Islam begin what is the Sharia what is and I was going through a whole very deep at an introspective level internal level I was going through a very deep [Music] turbulent kind of phase so you know from this is maybe late last year early this year within I'm trying to understand

these things and enhance my understanding you know I've got this lens trying to maybe clear the lens to see more accurately precisely what is in front of me now this came to me at a time when I was going through that and I came across it to be honest I wasn't that intrigued because the titles boring as hell but I read a review inaudible and the person said well I'm so amazed that this is so well written I can't and you know don't be kind of misled or something like this and I thought well ah what the

hell I'll give it a go and it brought for me not all but so many of the answers and there was a whole search obviously I was reading other works and I'm researching I was discussing with certain people and this contributed significantly to me this was a godsend and then the fact that it was written so eloquently and especially when you're listening to it and I I do like listen so I will you know I prefer things like audible and going through audiobooks and it's got an excellent narrator so to me it was brilliant and

like I said it was really just kind of shook my whole world from my understanding perspective but it may not do that for you you know if I've read this book five years ago it would have probably meant very little to me but at this stage in life it's my camper you know once we reach this Markham it's you know it's invaluable so that's my you know top marks for it people and if you're into that you may love it if you're not into it don't say you know

almost II what the hell wasting our money and our audible credits so that's that what book are you discussing I'm discussing the book Arabs a 3,000 year history of people's tribes and empires like I said boring as hell title book Wow book is too goddamn good I did say it was up to me I would make it mandatory I would make it compulsory in every Islamic studies curriculum if it

were up to me that's so people who want to study Islam it's a must perhaps at some stage for them at a slightly advanced stage right so what is going on people what is going on cabina you had right children imam children evilly was in the house al-assad line cuz he you doing it do any people an imam from cape hill Birmingham or Birmingham Birmingham as I've been as it ought to be pronounced right mandatory

like Sahil Bihari please discuss yes and all these belief you see I'm quite confused let's let's speak about yes and polish what this wine what is going on you know this one so sure yes sir ah DG I don't know is it me I'm confused in understanding what chef yes and how these trying to do it appeared to me this is what I've my reading of what chef he hasn't bothered written was that

he was trying to back oh go like kind of to step back from this literal interpretation of ya'juj and ma'juj and he was going into some he was entertaining the metaphor aspect oh not even a metaphor a symbolic aspect of like he mentions that chef Abdul Rahman Assadi in his race Allah discusses how the yadu Jamaat you John Mara you know they're not these kind of like monster like species that they are just he refers to as which I'm actually inclined

to as well that they it was the colonial powers just that though the stage that the world went through during the colonial age was a it was a not only it wasn't just it was an absolute paradigm shift for the world things were never the same again and that's why I'm inclined to that that it was what chefs Rd said and I felt that she has her body was kind of going that way in in something you've written on social media

saying look well what's the big deal the share of my share you know Saturday has also said it was a metaphor and stuff like this but they mean some things he seemed to be as though he's not saying and then he's got this video clip where he's saying you know somebody's saying that he you know that he's he's trying to put all the caveats in placed as a safeguarding you know so you don't come back at him but he's saying you know are they could they be

zombies zombie apocalypse people the zombie apocalypse is upon us the end is nigh right so I that would be hilarious if there was um beasts outrun them or you just got a trip over the person next

to you and then outrun that person the Walking Dead Jude Jude right so yeah that would be eliris how do we how do we kill zombies again do we have to we have to what we've got to blow their head off is that the not in any metaphorical sense they use okay we've got to all carry these

shotguns now oh how does this work I've got a go kind of polish up on my zombie apocalypse survival guide kit right so use the cross use the cross zombies don't that's not the zombies don't care about the cross man well that person you know what have you just said that to me that's fraud if robbery people have him in your groups say you know that zombies are gonna eat him for sure so you've got a little head stock because he's there with this crucifix and the zombies thinking I thought we're

mentally slow but this guy they're like what is this equal opportunities right so what so somebody said gog magog cookin Magog gog and magog it says says in the quran that they will come after Imam Mandy Mandy a mom's gonna have Mindy all over mehndi Xena in Arabic so

it's like that he's gonna wear mehndi when we were kids this is what we used to think that people used to call him imam mehndi so we used to say imam mehndi how do you say mommy what's this what's coming on over here a mom mehndi the guy's gonna be an imam of of mainly of Haina so as it turns out it's not mehndi people it's Maddie the rightly guided okay so you've got the

rightly guided Imam and so that's what it's meant to be obviously the Messiah the Messiah I mean I don't obviously believe that there's going to be a Mahdi and there isn't a single sahih hadith predicting the Mahdi but obviously people can disagree no no I problem you don't have to believe what I believe of course right so but there were other scholars as well people like hypnotoad own and other people who hundreds of years ago said look there's no such thing as this imam mahdi and it's just hadith that have been really

there isn't a single sorry Asahi hadith to do with the mati and this is a tradition that is crept into mainstream Islam through she Iceland and the Sunnis have just kind of gobbled it up and they've just completely made it a policy and I think it's an amazing case study because it goes to show how things can creep in and become mainstream so from from us from a sign you know if you want to say scientific or an observational perspective it's fascinating as a case

study right so right so what is going on people what is going on so with the imam yasser chef Yasir Qadhi III don't know what he's I don't know what his clear stance is you see the problem is they can't speak their mind this is the problem I'm telling you guys people they absolutely bottle it they do

not have the cojones they don't have what it takes to speak the truth sorry by true no they let me rephrase that they don't have what it takes to speak their mind so they will present a version of the the accepted truth so people will say look because most people accept something they will accept it then they will just kind of tantalize

maybe perhaps perhaps it's a meta perhaps it's a metaphor obey RC double say straight just say look I don't accept this as a literal thing come on guys it doesn't make any sense speak your mind this is the thing people are too afraid because they will lose their backing they will lose the crowds they will become blacklisted they will become but Nam oh oh

poppy dunya poppy sense are you know this zalim dunya but button arm for those of you that don't know means it's an older term which means to have such a a bad reputation blacklisted so being but nom people are so as the poet says

Obito Suraj meaning dalla couch Tom good sham tornado that yet the Sun has not even gone down let it be evening first that he's addressing about about himself Obito Suraj be nahi dalla could Shonto Veneto or muche but Nam karna Kaiba honey don't they whole may good he

hodong about Nam couch Nam tornado this so he says that you're trying to you finding all these reasons these these plots to make me have a bad reputation he says I'll do it myself my hoodie but namo jungle coach Nam tone it'll let me at least

first build a reputation all right so so what else is going on people what is bothering me scented so this is why I always advise everybody that look if you can those of you that can study the Dean for yourselves those of you that can't don't let other people still this is for all don't let people bully you into beliefs right so that that's not how this Dean

worked that's not how it's meant to work either let's take some questions people this takes you know I've had quite a few questions come through I did make what I try to do is just some of them down the opera's just taken my little notepad and filled it up with God knows was oh right so here's a question become a most how somebody had asked how do I become a Mufti Oh Billy is in the house all right doing it really doing it Cody

coat partners in crime people right so there you go now Billy's a great person very hard-working people now if you ever need anybody that can help you move house and move the products from your house things like these sorry not products furniture Billy's your guy okay he's a man with the fun and don't be don't be racist don't assume that he's gonna run off

with the thing it's very hard working he's a great guy if you are wherever you are in the UK people do and you need ever a hand you need a man with a van Billy's your man all right cool in case he just takes your furniture and just drives off somewhere else he's like I thought you said take it that's what I was doing I was taking it now he's a very hard-working amazing brother they got fully vouched

all right so let's take some questions so some people had asked all right so some people had asked all right so how do how does one become a Mufti hey brother how does one become well this this hot long story you know this one right so right now look becoming a Mufti what do i what do i

advise first of all they say for everyone people are still going on about Billy all right focus focus right so look bingham of t the same for everyone it is a very uphill struggle okay it is however if you are somebody who's interested in learning about the theme and having not just learning sorry in

having a very like a in-depth advanced level understanding of the theme then it is an amazing task or objective or achievement if you've done it it is unquestionably perhaps you know the greatest thing I've ever achieved in my life I feel right so that's unquestionably in addition to a few other dodgy deals a few County Court

judgments and and a few convictions I feel that it really is it's one of the to me as an individual it is the most amazing thing I've ever achieved in my life it's it's really made my made me who I am today if I if I can say that so I absolutely love it to bits if somebody said to me I'll give you a million pounds but they were to completely strip

this movie thing off as in room eradicate that multi knowledge from me and there's many things I would do quite easily for a million pounds and a lot less evidently from the games that we play apparently really knows about them ok what's the least amount you do these hypotheticals Obata but they corrupt people they corrupt my innocent mind you know so anyway I I wouldn't honestly I the world I wouldn't give it up for that because it means that much

to me it's made me who I am it is an integral part of my essence today so you know I would definitely if somebody asked me I'd like to become Mufti would you advise me I would say look first of all it's not for everyone because there is there's going to be a a hole a continuum of study and learning study doesn't have to mean like nerd like study like you become a nerd it just means you have to have an interest you have to somebody said shame on you with

these acts yeah yeah Toki okey-dokey talk talk in order image in and of itself can be understood in a in a rather naughty way he naughty naughty and who said anything about acts yeah you see looks like brother talk poke poke and the other guys like it's not an impurity from okay he's like he's like no I was just introducing myself I was

saying assalamualaikum brother pork [Laughter] and the guys like talking cameltoe anyway so right so coming back to these focus focus people focus focus focus right so the the issue is that look there's going to be a continuum of learning let me put it as learning because when you say studying it's too dull and boring and nerdy and stuff like this but learning so there's going to be like a continuum a lifelong that the

first stage will easily be anything between six years at least two maybe eight something like that between that so there is a certain amount of commitment you know you have to learn the Arabic language you have to go through the basic sciences of Islam that will include all the you know whether it's going to be the language the Arabic language and its grammar and those things the morphology and you'll learn that you'll have the books whether it's fifth how to practice Islam pray do things go Hajj marry divorce inheritance the penal justice code everything transactions from a beginners level to

an intermediate to an advanced so you're learning the rulings are going to a school of thought then the differences of opinion your evidences their evidences then arguments and in-depth learning you even learn soul which is legal theory why do people allegedly make the rulings they do what does that school say what does this school say what are the underlying differences in principles you're gonna cover that what are some of the the universal can almost like almost a bit like a constitution a bit like that not a full-on constitution but like that why is it different so you're gonna learn that once again from

a foundation to intermediate to advanced level you're gonna learn Islamic history Creed what are the leaves what are people what you know Creed it's a very theological kind of thing ashati school the different schools the differences of opinions of seed of the Quran going through the entire top-seed learning that then pseudo hadith what is the science of studying the chains of hadith great and the gradation grading hadith the different books you're gonna cover that most Alex called hadith or masala hadith you will then cover the actual books of hadith

like read Buhari hopefully from cover to cover sorry Muslim cover to cover you'll cover the main six books Abu Daoud tell me the Messiah II even imagine you'll cover the motto of imam malik maybe one two other books these kind of things you're covering them you're learning you're going through all of this stuff at the literature you learn a bit of literature a bit of poetry a bit of you know prose things like that you're going through all of that and then you you can specialize in if that in fatwa where you just read intricate rulings you read about case studies and you you know what are the principles of Fatah and so this

this whole thing it is a it is quite immersive it's quite it it will be intense at some points the best method to do it is obviously going to be like full-time in a madrasah probably you can do part-time some motherís offer part-time courses if you're slightly you know more matured now with age and you don't feel that you know obviously you can't just pack up and go and study you could maybe do a part-time course even places in the UK offer things I see I'm not too cleared up with all the different colleges what they offering I

know that within Birmingham we've got a motherís up with if many motherís us but we've got Hasan at college which I think they might call it City as an ADD College CHCO but it's in it's close to Alum Rock it's it's in that part of of Brom and if you I know they've got a part-time course which is free so you go part-time these people like Chevy I've seen teaching there chef I'm sure you know very you know could headed kind of scholars and people you know with

since it cents on them you know they know what they talking about so so these are some things and you could then you could obviously have to mishmash you'll have to kind of maybe study up to certain levels and do other things but you have to remember and this is really important I want to give this now this part is somebody said are you joking no no this is true I mean there's many other mattresses there are there is a sofa in in braum as well in Birmingham you've got you've got other places but these are just two that I'm familiar with now you have to remember something

and this is important that these places of study unfortunately will always have an institutionalization about them some more than others you know in the world of institutionalization some places are more institutionalized than others as an axiom so it's and people won't allow you to be very free-spirited they won't allow you to have free thought if you question a lot of things in some places like this city has an ADD College to be fair they they as long as you're respectful I think they're okay we'd

pick some of my friends and students like like shaaban asks him some of some of these guys very close to me you see probably you see them in in a lot of photos you see mean a lot of photos with them now these guys have finished their studies there I know they engaged a lot in dialogue had a lot of respectful debating the right word but a dialogue during their studies and the teachers were fine with it you know people actually a scene was very calm secure you know I don't feel insecure don't feel threatened but there are other places where people will get very upset in mother asses you know when you question them they wanna you know

they'll expel you that's that problem solved so you know I there's some mother says where somebody he had short back insides and they you know like as a Hicker and he was I think in his final year and they expelled him a final yeah what the hell you know so this this is the kind of nonsensical the kind of bureaucracy that you're gonna have to be against okay if you're going through a mother Assad and it's until

you haven't finished and you don't become yourself you won't be able to speak your mind I mean maybe amongst friends you will but if you speak it too much in front of people I don't know it might be you know it's hid amiss it's maybe some places might tolerate you other places these institutions are not free thinking institutions they become very insecure usually some you know there's a few places where people have got chucked out over silly things you know like they trim they'd be it and they just expel them in the despite this is like the

sixth year oh hey check the guy out what the hell you know short back it that's a joke and it's not even a funny one so I think look these things there is I don't know what's being offered in depth by chef Abdul Hakim Murad in Cambridge he has a course I don't know if he'll accept beginners but if he will I think his place would be awesome because he obviously is going to be very you know very kind of professional and he's not going to really care about these kind of

sectarian debates and stuff like wise people like chakra blood we very you know very kind of compassionate in their understanding and I'm not sure I know he has an online course I don't know whether he has another kind of study set up but if you do want to become a Mufti or a scholar it is to me I would say it's one of the best things if it's for you but remember the struggle there you will in addition to having to work hard or learns the best way to learn stuff is just to

enjoy honestly me I just try to enjoy I would I would actually as boring as this is gonna sound now I would find these debates that I would read about in the book so exciting mom Alex it was I said whoa so I would you see the more interesting you find it the easier it is to remember and to commit to memory and teach it to people talk about it you know like when you're with like-minded friends you could talk about it you could say oh well you know I read this interesting thing what do you think

about this and that way you will commit it to memory so I used to do a lot about a lot of that why I use to always discuss things with people and that would help me memorize these kind of rulings and things like that also because I enjoyed them so that's a but remember you will be against the institution as in there is a institutionalized bureaucratic kind of resilience to free thought to critical thought that you will have to keep kind of battling against until you reach the

top of the hill so but once you're at the top of the hill but shallow but you know it's then you wear the crown then you're like you know what a chop correcting me Oh may I say that Haditha he quoted happens to be week [Laughter] you know when you can pull that card on

people power/power reverse follow you knows on this group right I'm on this group and I think I mentioned this once before and it's they they just tackle things like Islamophobia and stuff like this and they've got me on there for for ages I just just as a passive you know just listen to updates about things going on how they're tackling things in the media how they're doing all these kind of stuff and it's good to you know it's good to be up-to-date to know what's going on now this one time they

got into a little debate or something discussion and they said this about and I think I mentioned this before and I'll come back to the debate in just a moment but there was a point where the person he said ah I've got proof for this and I said debate you want to debate I said ha ha - boronic bring you proof so he brings this hadith and I said to him by the way you know where you pull rank and

you say well you know just just so you know that I specialize in hadith since you claim to over these bring the honey and then he posted this thing and then I said nah man bring the Senate bring the chain and then as soon as he brought as it mogul fabricated oh right so the thing is that [Laughter]

so it does have its perks people it has its perks and but I mean I just mentioned that as a you know the discussion that day that they got into on the crew it's actually an important discussion to be fair it's to do with things like is to do with this thing of marriages and registration processes and there were a few people on there who like Imams and they said look I feel that no machines

should conduct a niihka unless the people will register it as a civil marriage so this is what they said so I had opposed don't judge me yeah don't judge me let me finish so I had opposed the motion I said well I strongly disagree I believe in people's freedoms yeah educate people and then people make their own choice I said you can't force people to register Myra you can't force

people to do anything force is wrong categorically so they said I said look why must look Annika and a civil marriage are two separate things now that's fine if people want to register they can but to say that to do one you must have its by force you must have the other who gave you the authority to impose anything on anybody so they said to me so what are you advising I said not advising anything I'm saying that people people are not kids you don't need to infantilize

people they are adults they can make their own decisions and they said well you know all this leaves a lot of people I said look you can say let's educate you can say let's create an awareness but I said it's not true why should I support I said that look why should I support an authoritarian government kind of initiative to register things with the government why should I support like like once a person I would say people have their own choice once a person registers a marriage with

the government to leave that marriage will take you one and a half year at least to leave let's say something didn't work and I'm speaking to people all the time their relationship doesn't work out now these people have to go through a civil process of one-and-a-half to two years before they can call it quits who would want to do that why who are you to impose that on people most the British public does not do that most approach is public is not registered as my rate so why should we

be imposing it on Muslims so the thing is give people education tell them what it is and then let them choose if some people might say yeah you know what that's for me I'm gonna do that right so other people can say you know what that's not for me I don't like that kind of stuff I don't like you know it's not to do with and people say well look people say that oh well this doesn't then protect the woman's rights look people I'm all up for women's rights like all men or like most old straight

men I too love women look I'm always supporting women's rights I'm supporting freedoms I'm supporting things like this but look let's be honest yes let's not use false words let's not use false words let's be very honest like somebody phoned me and asked me a question about this and they said to me this is going a few weeks ago and they said look you know my husband's divorced me I said okay they said I want to know what my rights are I said I don't

understand they said no I want to know what it frights does Islam give me I said I don't know what that what that means what do you mean by right so she said you know like right I said well like okay you have the right to freedom of speech you have the right to freedom of movement you have the right so she said no no dude I know all of that what rights does it give me here when I've been divorced you have the right to remarry like what what do you mean I said look can we use Occam's razor and

simplify can you use the real term of what you're trying to say and I can answer it are you just asking me how much money will you get so she said no I said okay what are you asking me she said well yeah well that as well I said I chop it would double ah let's be quick about it and this be clearly because it doesn't sound nice when you say like that because it sounds cruel but it's the truth the truth is that look you want to know okay how much money do I okay we've

broken up how much money do I get now the question is that look I'm not saying you're not entitled to certain monies and I'm not saying that but this is what the question is this is simply what the question is how much money do I get out of this and I do feel that if I'm gonna be legit I do feel that the that personally that obviously when it comes to separations women I do agree even though I don't know whether some women agree with this but I feel that women are better caregivers when it comes to children they do take better care of

them and I feel that women should always have that prerogative and they should take care of the children unless they're deemed a threat which is different and things like that are fine but when it comes to and supporting the child I feel the father always has a right and an obligation to support the child but that said I do feel that the system is kind of heavily leaning against men right and it is kind of unfair so you will see things like so for example there'll be cases when I speak to many people they're not allowed to see their kids at all

they have like a five year ban now you can't see you kid there's no criminality involved it's just because let's say the wife has said oh I you know I I'm afraid so if he sees the kids he might get the address through the kids so I don't want any contact so they will place a kind of block for like let's say up to five years but the father will still have to pay now that's unfair like it is heavily unfair you know things like this so I feel that the system is heavily kind of crippled against men in general saying

things like look oh you know when a person marries that automatically a woman is entitled to half of what you own I think is personally I think is ridiculous [Laughter] I'll be honest with you I think that that's one of the most stupidest things that one could assume but yes I can understand if you generated something together over a long period of time that that both of you have the right of ownership to that but to say by simply getting into a compa you know like a kind of agreement with someone you own

you know oh by the way can I come stay over at your house and oh yeah shall we just sign here oh by the way this is half my house now let me tell you something I seriously check this out now somebody said to me like a lady said to me that oh but if that's the case you know what I get I think she'd been married maybe two years or something divorcing she said well what does Islam give me and I said this was a different case and I said look what does that mean once again do you mean money how much

money do you get out of it is that what you mean because people don't like it when it's very abrupt because that sounds very unpolished and so you know I said well okay what what money like I said well no you know like I said well you know it's not really fear and I said well you know what with all due respect it's an egalitarian society get a job you know like if you if you want things work for them like if you don't want them then but what you see like I don't get how everything is equal and then at the same time unequal check this out this is not a lie I had somebody speak

to me I'm not making this up and look I am 100 percent with in supporting women in their rights 100 percent if a woman for example let's say she was working she was doing things but she you know she had a child now she's taking care of the child she's at home now that's understandable and that does make sense in the in what's going on but like there was a case check this out this person said to me this lady said look I wanted said I'm unhappy with my husband and I want to leave him says it okay all

right and she said well I said out of curiosity what are the issues so she said well the issues are that I want a big I want a better car I want a Mercedes I wanna a semi-detached house you know I don't want to live in a regular terraced house I don't want to have a regular phone I want a latest iPhone I don't want to have this I want to have these and well like this is what she said like for for about 60 seconds she just ran a list like I don't want this I want this I want to be driving in an Audi or a BMW or Mercedes I don't want a regular car I don't want this I don't want and I was

on the phone thinking huh I'm sorry is this some kind of Genie hotline will he like your wishes but so I was like okay I was like and what's your what's your husband you gotta say about this she goes well you know he's not doing it he's not buying me these things I said if you don't mind me asking do you work and she said yes I do I said well more power to you I said well you might be asking what do you workers so she she worked as some kind

of something like a kind of like a teaching assistant or something like that like an assistant I was like my dad should I change the the Audi to a Rolls Royce I was like a cha cha cha me and Yusuf I bet I was like look look I was saying that look I said to her look

what's your money is your money buy what you want but obviously if your relationship ain't working out that's fine you know somebody could say look I just don't get on with this person anymore you know we've just drifted apart that makes perfect sense you know you should not be forced to be in a relationship you cannot be forced to be in a relationship against your will you could be unhappy you could be you know like these things are you you're absolutely right if that's you know if you living very unhappily then taking a step to gaining closure is good but if you're gonna discuss with people and ask advice and say well look and this is your list of

problems it's only really you know this was the only problem it wasn't she said well these are my only problems like I wanna I want a flash car or I want you know semi-detached property I want this I want this I want this she goes oh ma you know my mom said I'm just being or I don't know whether is a mom or whoever's they said I'm just being too materialistic I'm not entitled to an Islamic divorce I said look the entitlement thing isn't if you feel trapped in a relationship it's your prerogative but maybe your

mother has some wisdom seriously i Chi you know it's and so my point is that look I feel that we you know we've got to moving in a day and age where people want to impose a lot of things on other people and we've got to let there be freedoms you know let people let people be free let people mutually choose things I think things like this if they are important to someone like let's say coming back to the divorce thing they want things registered because they want a property then I think look they can

make these things clear in the beginning of a relationship look I would like this to be done like this or I would like this and they could kind of set it set it up like that but I just feel that well you know these things it's it's unfortunate because these things ruin the they taint the fabric of the relationship so yeah right so let's take some other questions people what's going on here was speaking on relationships there was a question that had come

through can I hug my friends but there's a catch this on got Kat you know on this one cut got can I hug my can I hug my friends who this is a guy you're asking the question who are girl but they know his girlfriend's but these friends who are girls oh yeah how may Casa miel gonna see me today

where do we find such he's like can I hug my like to the guys is like giving me get in there every two minutes he's like oh you again are you

looking for a photo op let me get this right you want me to give you the fatwa so I get blacklisted I get but nom or two men were similar and you get to chill with all your friends hey I want to know how have you been friend zoned by so many so many girls have friends on

this pajara I think we should make like a collective door to kind of like get him out of the zone a llama average human has a zone a volume Mahesh so this is this is this bechara is still stuck in in the zone I think you've got bigger issues to worry about let's take the

next question right now oh here's an interesting question going back to earlier on the book that I was speaking about why was the prophet called a Sabian that's an interesting point because we're not too sure today who the sabians exactly were there were generally my understanding you see there's a difference of opinion some people feel that they were to do with

you know like a a kind of a honey fee by honey fee I mean a a free-spirited kind of religiosity to God but it wasn't institutionalized it wasn't they weren't part of any kind of religion like that they were kind of just like Wanderers that just believed in in in in a Supreme Being and they just did good things and meditated a bit like how you'll maybe describe a like a mystic today you'll

but a mystic today I suppose it has a lot of the that kind of connotation of mysticism but uh but it's it's basically somebody upon a non institutionalized way of of of faith of religion and they just did their own thing just had set of good morals a bit like Saint today a humanist except with the God element so if you had somebody like that so that seems to be the the understanding that there were a group of people that were like that maybe down in southern Arabia first and then in other parts of Arabia

and when the Prophet began Islam began preaching that he was associated with those with those people so they said to him because it is true a lot of the in the Macan period they didn't used to refer to them as muslims they would refer to them as aliens as in the non-muslims would refer to muslims as aliens and this term Muslims I don't even think Muslims referred to themselves as Muslims too much after anyway I think Fred Donna does have a point that Muslims early Muslims referred to themselves as muckman believers and they didn't this this

Islam Islamization of Islam is a later development I do think so not that it's so much of a big deal I don't think it massively changes anything it's just a nuance changes that's all but some early Muslims they won't call themselves like the Sahaba wouldn't have most likely identified as we are Muslims they would have probably said we are moving mumineen and it wasn't this kind of and they wouldn't generally I don't think they refer to the Dean as the D like Islam as like they've written because Islam means submission so they

did recognize that and by the way there was a tradition before Islam that also used the term Islam he does cover it in the book as well but I don't think they obviously knew the term Islam and it's not that they would never have ever used it in their lives but I don't think they generally the way we today will say oh I believe in Islam it's a religion we almost this kind of setup was a later set up they had it a bit more natural so they most likely didn't refer to the Dean as his farm probably just as you

know they probably generally didn't have a lot of structure ization to the Dean he was still natural and organic right the title of that book is Arabs the three thousand year history so yeah so that's my understanding that that's that's what I think they were referring to the Prophet as there is another understanding that they were referring to him as the Sabian's sorry as the Austrians were referred to as Sabian's I'm not generally they were referred to

as as my juice I does appear in the Quran as well the term matures now this is what those restraints were generally referred to as some people said there was another prophet that had a book and they in and they work all had scripture and they will call the sabians but we don't seem to know this seems to be a part a lost part of our history the term does come in the Quran where Allah is speaks of it positively the Sabian's but once again we are not too sure today what they actually were that's what you know we just were kind of all

it's guesswork it's guesswork somebody said what about the hadith of Harley the motor is Haram how did we go from sapiens to motor ha this is well well come to that that's always a fun topic isn't it but let's take let's just cover this first so that's the Sabian's ok but I do find that very interesting the whole you see they say people feel that in the time of Abdul Malik in number one Islam seems to

undergo a renovation and I think there's some truth some truth to that I think there is some truth to that maybe I don't you see I don't put it down to necessarily sinister reasons though a lot of the Islam revisionists they will put this down to sinister reasons like they will say Islam was made up by Abdul Malik in number one that he made everything up you know I think that's very difficult to believe even some of the other revisionists like even Fred Donner and other people said look that's

very unlikely because for you know the amount of effort that it would have been required you know optimally cube number one to to conduct to construct this figure the Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu listen because they said like he made him up this was what some people felt and he made up the entire Islam for one Calif to have pulled that off it was you know it's easier that because if you're looking at this from an anthropological perspective just as an anthropologist

you're gonna go for the easiest option like the most likely the most doable human option it's easier for the Prophet to have existed than for Abdul Malik you have pulled this off as an entire stunt like that's much more incredible and unlikely for one person to have pulled off such a a concoction of Islamic history culture or on legacy religion passion everything it's very

very unlikely because Abdul Malik apna Marwan although he was a great you know I'm sure it was a great charismatic person and he was obviously had great initiative and was in his own right you know a very powerful leader but the level of charm and charisma and power and influence you'd need to pull off a stunt like that it's easier and much more believable that the Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu lism actually existed do you understand so that's from a historian perspective that said today historians have actually uncovered

several Byzantine and other writers who were in the time of the Prophet who actually mentioned the Prophet maybe a year or two after him passing away so Allah I leave Salem where they mention him as Muhammad or Muhammad and they speak about him this man from Arabia with who has a religion and they obviously don't have generally they don't praise Him they don't believe in the Prophet but they say this person and some of them described him as oh you know he has a band of like kind of nomad nomads who are Raiders and things like this but they do speak of him and this

is um you know it's categorical proof that he existed so yeah so I mean I'm sorry if slightly digress there yes so my point was that people feel that because of the molecular marwan the oldest coins you have in Islam go back to him so where it says like his inscripted la ilaha illa llah things like this the Dome of the rock was built by him that's actually an interesting question why he built the Dome of the rock it makes it doesn't make as much since actually I think it may have been

to rival a kind of holy ground but it doesn't actually make much sense the Dome of the rock rock the Masjid you know the actual Cooper to saw that the the golden dome mosque that you have today in Jerusalem this was built by out the Maliki no Marwan and some of the oldest inscriptions of the Quran you have still they that are in some of the ambulatory some of the walkways internal walkways they are actually date back to his time some of them now a lot of it has been renewed over the ages but there

are some old inscriptions that have been archaeologically kind of checked and dated so this is why they feel everything goes back to a lot of things go back to him he's also one of the in his time mandated that people take of Arabic as the as the as the official lingua franca because even in the early Sahaba time the Muslims may have been writing in Arabic on their own but the main records they kept in other places were in their languages so they would have kept the Greek records in Greek they would kept the Persian ones in Persian they would things weren't arriba

sized and and a lot of Muslims used to use the Greek the Byzantine kind of scribes to do the writing and it's in Abdul Malik if number ones time that he passes that the IDI to say that right everything's gonna be in Arabic and it creates a bit of a storm but by doing so he actually propels the Arabic language to magnitudes that were unforeseen before so I mean it is amazing and one of the stories has it that he I mean this is one of the stories that they say that the scribe that they used to have

the person who do the documents he was a Byzantine a lot of them were monks sometimes because they could read and write Christian monks but this Christian they say that he actually urinated he needed sake a leak and he couldn't be bothered so he urinated in the ink pot he's like target it's like target engaged that's gotta be I mean if unless it's a massive ink pot because as most men know it doesn't matter how good you think your target is the

command the chain of command just does not follow it's like it's like okay target engaged and then he's that way you're like okay what's going on here why can't you follow a simple chain of command I'm looking over there aim over there what's this what kind of cluster bombs are you

dropping so this so yes so this scribe what he did was he urinated in the ink pot this is what the myth has it and this news reached Abdul Malik and he said what the hell you know is this what they're doing and we're writing we're using them to write our kind of you know holy stuff as well or other stuff as well which has you know names of God in there or things like this and so he said enough I'm not gonna use them we're gonna use our wrong people and our own

script so the myth has it Allah whatever it was but Abdul Malik definitely you know he is a huge kind of an epicenter for where things just drastically change so yeah now with him that they do feel that this term Islam is brought more to the forefront in his lifetime it may be it may be that he kind of brought that more to the forefront these things once again they don't really impact us as Muslims like we're not we shouldn't become insecure it's not a it's no it's not a big deal like that

it's a nuance change but it's nothing you know it doesn't mean oh my god Islam is fake doesn't mean anything like that it's just saying that look obviously all things would take in a slight institutionalization process along the ages right so let's move on what are the right so what is going on what is going on right before I forget people Imran Khan Allah Allah Allah those of you that have missed it Imran Khan did a groundbreaking electrifying breathtaking

speech the United Nations General Assembly now amongst the you know the leaders of the world and it was a very powerful speech so I think it was I think it did an amazing job he really highlighted the Kashmir issue he highlighted it very firmly he made his his case he stood his ground and he was and it's really I think it's I don't know whether the people will do anything that you know it's just hot here or not as people are saying but I think he did an amazing job and he said very clearly that look I'm telling the world that if these people you know a

great continued to be aggressive or do what they do you said that and it's amazing because Imran Khan is who use and he's standing in front of world leaders and he said look we believe in la ilaha il-allah that's what he said but there is only one God and he said that you know if push comes to shove we will fight till the death and you think whoa that that is a speech coming from you know a prime minister and he said but he said that and when two nations who are nuclear strong go head-to-head in a war he said that's not just bad

news for them that's bad news for the whole world okay because should anything go because and he said to them look he said this is not a threat he said this is a warning this is a warning for egos this is a warning this is why I'm here to say let's let not this happen you know like let's do something about this and and and it's amazing I I thought it was you know he said it very firmly and he's a person who warrants respect I don't think any person in Pakistan could warrant the kind of respect that Imran Khan warrants honestly I think so it's

such a cool honestly I gotta say I think he's amazing the charisma the charm the good looks even at this age I mean God who you must be what mid-60s late 60s to look like that and you know that the courage to speak is mine the confidence and that world acceptance already because of him being a famous cricketer so I think no may Allah Quran is to those who are suffering and may there be a solution

I mean to this whole India Pakistan and Kashmir conflict I mean because it's it is the you know the the heaviest fortified border perhaps on earth you know the line of control between these two nations it is one of the only I believe it is the only border that can be seen from outer space because the floodlights that they put on on the LOC and these countries are nuclear strong and they have a lot of erratic kind of people in the countries on both sides seriously people that would just say ah

do you know seriously they they have people like this and it's you know I'm speaking to somebody and he said oh you know Imran Khan just all about speech and I said well what would you want him to do he said just go to war I said but war is never a solution he said look he said look just just do it and you drop a nuclear bomb this was a blizzard day I said I nuclear bomb he said I said they would equally knew and it's not just about nuking each other the radiation this work triggering the

world that you know these countries have like over a hundred nuclear bombs each one of the nuclear bombs is so much more powerful than the hydrogen bomb of you know of Maca sake and things like that it's this so much more powerful I said and he said well you know it's it's the end of world and end of times anyway and I thought and this was like a person who's not a religious hothead I just thought wow look totally crazy but these people like this and these people in India that are like even in this sacred

games part two the whole season about the person wanting to trigger a nuclear kind of thing and just kill off most people and then start a new civilization and new you know that this is kalokhe the end of times in Hindu mythology and so you have like these hot heads on both sides that it's crazy man it's crazy and so we need like cool minded people to think so I mean inshallah may you know they be some you know some some solution

I really hope right cool but I just wanted to say I was really proud of his speech I thought it was amazing so Imran Khan is in that right so what are the question right okay now let's let's there's a question here that I was asked

some ok on the right do you think Imran Khan may one day get assassinated due to his narrative I sure hope not man he's the only person who's brought some you know some sense to that part of the world right now why do some Muslims rug why do some Muslims rug burn their forehead in prayer you know you see some people and they've got like a hole like a camouflage they've got like a hole I

don't know like a special a SWAT team operation going on on their forehead and you're like what the hell has happened to your forehead did you not even sandpaper did you get one of those grinding machines in just new right so now they so people get these kind of burn marks because when they do such that they will like let's say they'll instead of doing they'll go like they'll start over here and then the stop like

rubbing across burning their forehead now this is this is nothing to do with Islam okay this is ridiculous it's a misunderstanding it's a misconception this is in fact let me tell you something you know the seller people like a man ought to be they speak about this he brings this in his stuff seed under things like the verse was Seema whom fee would you him so Allah speaks about there will be people who believe in online is messenger and you will see

in their faces see man that they that they kind of sign is in their faces but what this meant was are like a kind of rate of radiance a glow it meant a sense of commitment you will see the passion in their eyes this is what it meant so what some people understood this to mean is oak it meant the the burnt forehead now so in the time of the seller they started to do this so if I were to be brings a narration from some of the

terrain right and some of the Sahaba who so I some of this sold the seller and I believe there's a particular one I think it may have been a Tiberi so this is somebody who met the Companions he sees someone and they've got this big burnt-out mark over there so they used to refer to as a rocket bottle by the the kneecap of a camel so he says to him now what's this kneecap camels kneecap

do lucky they never camel but this camel kneecap they said what's this camel kneecap doing on your forehead and right so the person said oh this is because of my such does my prostration so this guy says to him well ye I've reached 80 years of age that this is the Thurber a saying to him I've become 80 years old yeah like I've met many great people before you like as in you know from the

sahaba none of them had this in their foreheads he says and he say and he says to this person he says follow a dream a circle at eros I'm Russian until he says the Lord knows have the foreheads of the heads just got heavier or has the earth become harsher because those who were before you were so much more powerful so much more you know so much more achieving in this theme and they never had anything like this so yeah so these

things people avoid kind of burning your foreheads and it's not a sign of piety cool let's get back to what I was gonna say right so I've been asked a question about about the prophet sallallaahu elusive l'm allegedly wanting to commit suicide and report which was shared by certain people it was also shared by after London now I think it's an extract from bubbly with the prophet salallahu alayhi

wasalam when he first encounters revelation he has like a panic attack like he's this anxiety kind of attack and he's and he he goes he kind of like he's very shaken by the whole process and he goes to in this narration and he goes to Khadijah and he says to her that embrace me embrace me and that pot is a very well-known part but he says in this narration that I am either a poet have I

am either a poet or a madman now this is I think in some of the narrations of the body so some people I brought this I think of the lagoon though I don't read his full post but I think this criticism was that is this kind of like insulting is the Prophet himself acknowledging that he has he is a madman that look firstly I want to say that this chain is this is not an authentic transmission okay just to clear this up but let's let's go with even if this were even if

something like this did happen and there is the thing on the suicide is well the Prophet wanted to end his life this there's a hadith in body that he would go and wanted to throw himself and that is deemed blasphemous and once again it's a problem with Sahil Mahadi but let's today raw with dope because those hadith are not acceptable but let's roll with today them being acceptable let's just say they are let's roll with this right so this thing it isn't something that our person is saying

if they're not doing a medical diagnosis they're not saying like oh I'm you know here's my mental health check this is that look we have an understanding that was first of all it's very loosely transmitted because there were no real not like at the time the prophets is telling his wife and remember in early Islam there were no Muslims so this is years and years and years later people are hearing from someone from someone and they've rewording things and they paraphrasing and they're doing things but anyway let's go with it this is a person sorry this is an explanation that the Prophet

when he's encountered revelation he's shaken by the whole process and it doesn't make sense to him now what is going on and as I explained earlier one today a share in a poet they didn't used to think of poets the way we think of poets as in somebody who just says poetry like I label me door you know just like romanticizes or nod to them poets were like soothsayers they were like shamans there were people that used to make things rhyme and say these but they would enter into a kind of trance and that's what they would generally

used to call share it and then from that trance-like shaman comes the the regular kind of sharing as well he emerges from those just a regular poet and hence the word share in Arabic comes from the root emotion like your awareness because he's somebody who's kind of he's gaining this awareness he's entering a new kind of stage of awareness a trance if you like and this is the Sharpedo so right now so my point is now this

experience when the prophet experiences this revelation he it doesn't like he's he's shaking it doesn't make sense to him what's going on why is this am I seeing things did I imagine that I've I have I become like this kind of this person in a in a trance have I lost my mind have I become you know have I lost my mind surely this can't have happened what I just thought happened these are very I'm just saying these are very

normal human reactions to things okay they're not they're not something it's not a health check report you know in fact the thing about being you know the thing about being insane being mental is that one does not know that they are mental you know hence the whole book catch-22 you know the whole you know we way the whole phrase of catch-22 comes we he's a soldier and he's trying to get out of the war and he tries to declare himself mental but it's a catch-22 because of

the whole thing because if you can you know if you know like you can't be like to be mental truly you can't know that you're mental but the point is that look this isn't a a kind of hey this is a an overall holistic kind of diagnosis and prognosis this is a reaction what we're saying is some people have allegedly said that the Prophet this was a reaction that he said that whatever you know am i entering this kind how I've become this person that enters into trances have I you know did I just hallucinating I see that was I real am I using my mind what's going on and even

personally I would say even if you know I know most colors we you know they don't accept the the suicide hadith is authentic which once again adds to the whole double Hardy Gate thing but that said even if you did accept it like even if you roll with it the I think in it it shows an incredible human connection one that many people can relate to that when the Prophet because the story is that oh when the Prophet received revelation for

a substantial period of time there was no more revelation and he began to really think that what you know did I did I imagine this what was going on and this anxious restlessness became so turbulent that according to that narration the Prophet contemplated ending it all let's say no now firstly that narration is not acceptable but even if we did go even if we keep going is this not just to is

this not just a resonance a connection with regular human beings who when they undergo such turmoil such kind of turbulence are a are a psychological at an emotional level that they they can't handle that they feel that you know you know maybe am i what's going on and people sometimes you know they have this thing that let's just throw the towel in let's give up but that's not the way if this be true now most people have not

accepted the narration is true but I'm just saying if anything it just had that human element to show that people can relate to the prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam and that he too could relate to them i think personally you know i don't think that it is authentic but that said even if you went with it to me it's not a kind of like a hit if anything it only adds to the amazing human character of the prophet sallallaahu some somebody who look who understood internal talk

turmoil who understood that you know that there's this there's points in life where a person could be driven to almost dissipating and hence revelation reinforcing the message that do not despair so if anything I see this still even if you roll with even if go with it I still see it as a you know as something with a meaningful lesson I don't see as a weakness I don't see as something I don't see as something that

detracts from the messenger of god Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him so that's my my thing I did so I wanted to respond to that thing and look we've got to remember as well if you take this as a a kind of rule that look in early Islam there weren't many people around too late to tell the stories they weren't many Muslims so all the stories about early Islam are definitely being passed through a couple of people definitely and you see this is why it's always important to understand how

memory works how transmission works and you know you've got and I've been through this before you've got amazing studies in psychology Bartlett's you know his story of the ghosts for example is an amazing research study which shows that people will always appropriate so in in that study he mentions how I mean this was study that you know from the last century when he believed it was in Cambridge he did this with people who were very you know they were very talented skilled he got them to read a story tell me a brief story it's like I

think half a page long or something it's just a description of some people going hunting but it's they are I think Native Americans that are going hunting but he got a bunch of participants who were from England English Cambridge Cambridge University students to go for this then they had time to remember it and then I think the next day he gave them like 24 hours this is bachlin and his study within psychology now on memory and then he

gave them the next day he gave them a he allowed them to go over the story again they did and then he asked them to kind of put her away and they had to sum it up in the air to re narrate it basically in their own words and it's interesting that even though the majority of them they the majority of them did you know get the gist of the story but the story is quite vague it's not quite like it has a vagueness to it now what's interesting is the vast majority of them substituted words that they assumed so

for example because they go out on this canoe now I don't think it's called I think it's called something else but they called it a canoe because they weren't familiar with the other kind of boat and the person went hunting the the kind of people in story when hunting seals but because they weren't familiar with that they transmitted it as they went fishing and this is the overall majority and it's interesting how you see memory is a constructive agent it's not something passive you as you recall

things you recall them with your frame of mind your understanding of the world so so that's why when people transmitted things afterwards you have to take this into consideration so I hope that helps you remember this always that early Islam there were people to narrate what happened this is going through a number of people ok cool guys I hope that helps let's move on what else is going on people what else is good alright there was a this a a kpop star kpop I'm not

quite sure what k-pop is I think it's it's a Korean I think it's just hip-hop and different kind of genre of music but there's a k-pop star who converted to Islam his name is Jay Kim I'd been sent the thing about him so I found it very interesting amazing here's a huge following he's from South Korea and he's already very popular on YouTube and he embraced Islam and I think for a while he'd been quite Islam friendly and looking into Islam and things like this and I you know I

welcome his you know he's having arrived at the faith and and this is a new journey in and of itself I did watch this interview which I found very fascinating there's an interview of his on YouTube where he interviews his grandfather and it's really interesting because his grandfather somebody from you know he's he's got memories from I I think maybe the world war two and things like this and and he speaks about he asks him questions like what do you think about Islam what do you think about Muslims and his grandfather is

very fond of the Turks actually because he says that that Korea when it was in its first war when it was gonna be JEP compromised that it was the Turks that apparently came in and helped them and many of them sacrificed their lives to save Korea to save South Korea and he feels that you know he's always indebted to them and it's interesting he has this dialogue with his father grandfather about so what do you think about Islam or what do you think of what do you think it's a violent religion do you feel it's and its grandfather very wise just says look no religion is really inherently violent its people and and I

just I just love the the conversation that they had and his grandfather was very inspired by Confucius and the whole teachings and they speak about the parallels between Islam and Confucianism and and he asks him that look if I was to embrace Islam how would you feel and he says well if it's a choice that you would make them you know if it makes you a better person then I think that's good and amazing really you know sometimes this the generational gap and that conversation I think we need more of it honestly I think we need more of it

and I don't mean me laughs in a conversation with with a kid kid goes hey grandpa right so speaking to the other day on some message and somebody said all right granddad and I thought granddad I must be getting old

honestly people are people people hmm the strangest things you've had said to you you know as a compliment what are the strangest things you've had said to you that's a strangest I mean this there's many compliments that obviously you'd always love never you're like no so but this this you know some of the weirdest

compliments I've had that I've been like I think one of the strange just ones that sticks out in my mind is I had this girl once a magician I don't know but seem young seemed like I mean to seem I mean young but not that young seemed like I don't know I'm assuming maybe 20 maybe even if you said in her late teens lets us say seem like that kind of age said wants you know like I think you're real cool I wish you or my dad

I was like yeah he Casey thought like hmm no loading that not inspect me as daddy I hope you sickos you watch this right so but that's probably one of the

strangest compliments just just in a state of cognitive dissonance right so what else is going on what else is going on people let's see there any of them let's take some questions that you've put on the thing somebody asked a question about the mustache and if you don't trim your mustache we well god

send you to hell for not trimming your mustache that's got to be one of the worst I mean if you end up in hell for not trimming your mustache you know what you deserve to be there because that's gotta be one of the what it's like what did you do I live my life you know I was take all the I was following my desires to the nth degree and I was immersing myself in indulging and what were Europe

oh I was this sicko and I was up to this and what were you oh I was a you know I did genocide and Oh what we are you and helpful no I used to say I'm fair always to consider myself God and make people worship me and enslave them and you've been helped hope I didn't trim my mustache all of a sudden all of Hell just comes to a standstill it's like

here you've got Nietzsche with his big moustache he just like so you mean I was the game was rigged against me anyway you mean even if I believed I was still gonna end up here that's gonna be one side state I just feel sorry a person yeah I just you know it just didn't trim

my most well now so look you know by holding these kind of beliefs what you did what you do is you ridicule God because you're kind of saying like if you you know if you break it down what you're saying is that I can understand this I know it sounds nonsensical I know this o but God's saying it like oh but I

can get it but God can't which is ridiculous which is an insult to God so I would say look don't worry about it man you're not gonna go to hell over your mustache God if you do then you'll probably be entertainment for the other dwellers of hell they like okay can can we get one guy in here who gets pranked and it's saying with this big mustache

next to Stalin and next to Nietzsche right so what about ladies with Tosh oh they're gonna be in the pits of hell the bottom Pete so every time a person who ever tried to be intimate with them he felt like he'd he'd been intimate with Charles Bronson from the and you know some women some women women piece

of advice if they does happen to be a mustache get rid of it laser the damn thing nuke the damn thing electrolysis whatever is get rid of it right oh don't don't bleach it cuz then it's you know because the guy's gonna be like oh you know I mean I had a problem with a girl having a mustache but hey if

it's a blond mustache if it's Hulk Hogan hey what you gonna do I mean you know if it's ho Cogan you're like well you know I always was a fan of Hulk Hogan well they're your people that's that no no no offense no offense no offense look on the bright side look I've got a mustache

as well no offense there somebody's asking what about tongue piercing look all kinds of piercing or generally permissible so long because the rule in Islam is that everything is permissible unless proven otherwise now there are certain things that are the purpose of them is to disfigure and because some people want to be disfigured so it can be scary or it can be some kind of ritual practice you know people they have these kind of things drilled in from here to here and they do

all these you have some kind of practices in certain societies in the world I don't know if the column societies maybe they almost like primitive kind of primitive like societies so they will do these kind of face piercings with these rods that goes through one side to the other and stuff like this and I do feel that that is a that is forbidden because that is the purpose of it is to usually either it's kind of religious and symbolic like that oh it's to look scary and the whole thing is it's a kind of disfigurement

that you're seeking general beauty accessories like piercing yuria piercing your eyebrow piercing your nose piercing for women I'm speaking about I cannot stand men that have a nose piece to me that is something strictly feminine but I mean generally like let's say facing the lip or piercing I don't know the tongue or things like this they're not these things are not haram I'm not saying they necessarily good or bad they're your own call you know some

people may like it some people may not but it's not you know they're not Haram okay to say something is Haram the bar is quite high you have to prove it overwhelmingly you know it's like this guy messaged me and then blocked him I thought oh I do kind of like slap myself in the face that why why am i engaging this this fool right so but before I blocked him I'd responded you see so he messaged me going off all preachy like oh you know you've got an earring on and

what the hell and you know this is women oh no no man woman who takes the earring off all mine puts the earring on poor woman strike relax dude you know you don't want to mistake me as a woman it's like how could you possibly mistake me as a woman I mean so anyway right now so the guy so I said to him

look I tell you what why don't you just [Music] write why don't you just watch my video I've got a detailed video it's about half an hour long it's on YouTube on why earrings are not haram for men and I watch it so he says I've watched it I said watch it again because you must have he says old but there's clear hadith men are not allowed to you know dress like women and women not allowed to bla bla bla bla bla I said to look why do you watch it because you've definitely missed of what I've said he said oh he comes back and he says I've watched it three times which I doubt

unless he's you know obviously suffering from learning disabilities and then perhaps perhaps in that case he has watched it three times but it's all the same right so he says oh and you know so I said assist him look I mention that there is no such thing as I saw here these two condemned earrings I also explained I go through the history of how far back it's been documented that men wore earrings in different civilizations different societies the sassanids the other empires pirates how

it's never been an exclusive sign of femininity it's men and women some societies men work more some equally some less I mentioned in there I go through the the thing of the the actual statues there are now a few thousand years old that you can see where the men are depicted with earrings the soldiers in most of the these paintings as well were depicted with earrings and I mention all of this and I mentioned through the Islamic era how the hadith about piercing the ear from even our birth I mentioned that how the prophets grandsons Hasan and Husayn

of the Aloha Ummah both wore earrings I mentioned how many of the selleth how Imam Malik wore an earring house of Yannick Noah Lena Warren earring even whilst they used to study hadith with great scholars like I'm living at Dean and so on so I mentioned all of these so how can a person watch this and still not under I mean I get that you don't have to agree with it you can watch and say look I disagree but to say that oh but you haven't so the person came back mentioned there's no such hadith so then I just blocked him she should have done in the beginning to be fair

but so these things are not you know so piercing in and of itself is not her own right okay so somebody said about oh why don't I just declare her arm things to be Haram because that my friend is a supposition you see you're supposing you're assuming that it is Haram you must prove it to be Haram and the bar is up there to prove Haram means you're saying that God is saying that

this person deserves to be punished by hell for this action which is a very high standard if you ask me so you're gonna have to prove it and you won't be able to guys let's do a quick rapid round session and then I can see somebody's asked about Taj weed Leyla Bhandari right her sons go and recited weed but the the re-sod is too kind of pernickety into OCD about certain things you don't you know from

an Islamic perspective you don't need to stress these things you don't need to worry about I'm like absolutely the Quadra that curries are just OCD so long as you correct your pronunciation presumably from the name Leila you you're I'm assuming Bhandari you're an Arab oh she says as an Arabic speaker so I'm sure your Arabic pronunciation should be fine any way you can polish it up and that's fine next next [Music] as Melissa epsilon says Salam mostly could you please talk about Sufism a

little bit and how you see them different from other schools in the understanding of the concept of the raw to happy to listen to your thoughts you see I do I was thinking about this the other day that Sufism although now I think it too is just institutionalized but I do feel that it was on to something you know it figured out quite early on this whole thing of the greater message and how the importance of connection and consciousness which I feel is synonymous with the raw and how that they were you know this understanding of how God is

addressing people and all these things I think the Sufis some of the Sufis were onto something they like people like even audibly magazine even Adobe I do you know the more I age the more I become fond of him and appreciate his and it's ironic because 10 years ago I thought a stuff I thought he was a fool I would have thought he was stupid for saying some of the stuff he said but it just goes to show how your own understanding develops with you and you you look back anything bloody hell you know this guy he he really did have some

amazing depth to his perception considering you know it's over eight you know 100 years ago today we're looking at these things because of the voice of reason because of quantum physics because of and these people were onto this and this this holistic this embracing everybody this kind of you know none need to despair from the the message of God that it will encompass all of his creatures but you don't need to have this God is out there to punish you outlook and he was onto this so much before so many people and it's only

something I'm beginning to appreciate now you know so I I think the Sufis definitely people like how large and when they said you know this thing about God that are we not just a part of God with what he was trying to say he wasn't the shell aspect like he didn't mean that oh this hand of mine is God but I think they were ahead of their times I think they were on to something a greater understanding you see the problem with this understanding is I think it's it could be wrongly dubbed as an elitist understanding because I don't think most people it would be for them

but I think it would be for certain people who are seeking that quest with God and so I I'm definitely you know appreciative of these people I do think today most of Sufism is just like the rest of religion it's institutionalized it's it's not like these people like my head Dean of Nairobi and how large or these people I think today most of Sufism is just about the order and you know the share and giving bay and reading the girls and you know and there's a lot of sectarianism strong sectarianism hating on each other

and all this kind of stuff so but I think in the past some of them were on to something very deep deeper says assalamu alaykum by share your thoughts about imran khan speech in un i already did that alright our abbas had asked me our right our boss Cora she sent me a long list from India of questions which are really fascinating and you know what I was I will go through them next week in sha allah okay they because they're too detailed for a quick

rapid round question after Salam Capel kill peanin says can you comment on the teachings of even a tomb art the mattie mattie bruh tumult was the the kind of inspiration behind the Mojito movement which which became a dynasty and Empire and took over from the Marah buffoon it was his Lahiri he was kind of the heavy although he was a shoddy in thought strictly a shoddy in thought but he was kind of literalist in in certain ways and he had a lot of the fit books

burnt and he himself never got to see his empire rise by the way it was what's his name I've done many valiant Guney hmm really took it forward and it's amazing because he says to Abdul Rahman if gnarly that you know one day who comes to him was also a Berber and he says to him that this Matty despite failing on so many times he says to this guy that to up the mean you know I see greatness being achieved at your hands and I see great kingdoms collapsing

before you it's amazing how words can mobilize the hearts and minds his words fueled the passion within of the movement who after the death of Ahmadi went on to take over I mean he had his hands collapsed the capital of the Marah beteen which was Morocco Marrakech and he took it over and his empire became one of the most powerful empires through our Muslim history in its time and its

zenith it was ruling over a third of Africa and the Iberian Peninsula Spain Portugal the Pamir ik Islands parts of maybe Sicily things like I mean it was a powerful dynasty in its strength obviously like all dynasty it worked and waned but it was incredibly powerful and it is at its zenith when he taken it over one of the things you know the kind of the command the arrogance one may say that he had almost not a not to say in a negative way but the kind of confidence he had is

that he had the kind of walls of Marrakesh demolished I mean some of them were damaged anyway because in when they took over Marrakesh but he had the rest of them also razed to the ground and they asked him what are you doing the city is naked and vulnerable you know we could be attacked and he said they said that you know where's our you know sawarna that these these fences not fences but these walls and and he said

that saguaro 'no he said our our walls our defense are our swords he said whoever wants us come and get us vah confidence Tina's mom Ozma you know that we will test our liquor you test you ro the guy had he had some strength about him and he did he was incredibly powerful and that is sometimes the power

of prophecies and visions that when people say things sometimes as a vision to someone it really fuels the recipient many people have had these kind of visions and it really goes on to really it's so helpful you know it may be sometimes people may mock them or they may ridicule them but I mean what these kind of intuitive thoughts I tell you something there was a time I share this with you people

then we'll wrap this up dick and I don't feel that this has but this is a personal kind of story that many years ago when I was about 17 I started to study Arabic I used to study at home and I became so engulfed in studying learning Arabic I became like kind of obsessed about it because I didn't have much else going on at the time so I used to I remember I used to work I left

College billion I'd got a job so I used to work as in in an insurance brokerage and so at the time I would study every morning after fudger after Subodh study for about 25 minutes that's all a nice to make notes of everything and I used to I'm so curious and if I could get hold of somebody who knew how a week because we never had the internet back then like this and so this is like maybe 1990 what is it 6 or 7 maybe 97 maybe something like that yes so at the time I

can't hold off I came across in our local masjid there was this this person like this Mawlana but I never knew he was a Mawlana okay he never used to I'm being judgmental when I say this because back then especially you'd picture you know the guy would pick Mawlana Saab and everybody would greet him as Mawlana sovereign no nobody used to call him all on herself and his name was Mawlana said his name was Syed and we just know you miss a table and you know you used to appear a bit scruffy and sometimes he was a bit disheveled I think he'd been through some personal problems family

problems health problems maybe he was moving maybe he wasn't stable in his accommodation I don't know too much we used to just see him in the mosque and sometimes you know he was a bit scruffy and people never and this one time he came out with all this Arabic and they used to be the tub leakage amount and he's to do some of the you know he's to do the beyond by you be sitting there and he ended up speaking this Arabic and I was like whoa I said to him and he said of course I've done the whole Harlem course and Mawlana of course in Pakistan years ago he's too speaking or two to me he said you know

man if the cups it but our Pakistan medicine that I studied them and I did this and I did that so I was like oh so you know Arabic you know all these things and he said yeah of course so I used to whenever I could find this guy I would ask him please please stay behind after Salah and and I used to always take my book Quranic Arabic which was like about this thick actually and it's dr. sort these book and I used to be like oh look I've been through this can you explain this I don't understand I used to always say I just got a root verb what's the root verb I should always be asking this and you know in a in a weird way I think in some way he

also gave like he was happy gave him some significance and importance and not in in in a nice way like some because you see when you have something it's only when you can share it that when people can appreciate it that you feel valued like Annie felt some kind of value because nobody people in general did not even know that he was a scholar and I would day in day out I would try and trap him say oh Mawlana Sam Alana's up you know could you you know I've been I've got these ten words can you explain them to me and what's

the root verb for this I was going through this verse and I didn't get this verse and what's this verb I remember one of the like otaku like comes from walk on like to protect but I didn't understand what awkward the term came I mean there were so many but that's just an example so I would often to sit down with him and you two'll can you do things and at the time I so desperately wanted to study but my family circumstances was such that it was literally impossible literally impossible in fact when I did go to study he caused so much

so there was so much difficulty at that stage because my family weren't really down with that kind of stuff any cost a lot of I mean there was without going into it but there was it was really difficult at the time it seemed impossible that I would have ever been able to study like systematically I don't mean on your own but I mean in a mother asar or do something and and I remember at the time just kind of like just just accepting saying okay fine but I thought to myself at least if I can understand or on that's all I want

so I used to go regularly every time I could get hold you know when I come back from work in the evenings I see this Mawlana Saab sitting down and then I say can we just sit in the must you then go over this and go over that sometimes I'd ask him myself do you know can we go over a short surah of the Quran can you explain it to me and a nice to call the so much I don't make notes so remember you used to often say to me okay okay talk this used to say to me okay don't don't interrupt me with route but right see it often and you know waltz you would explain to me

and I asked him on some occasions or can you tell me a poem in Arabic and you tell me a poem oh here's a poem he has a robbery that achievement Emery I'm secant to mechanikat and takuna method Mikey actually read that poem to me then in 97 and so things like this I was so help I could not get enough and because maybe like I said it was a time when we weren't bombarded with media we didn't have many other things to do a fall from this angle and I was obsessed with this learning so I remember once he even said to me you should go to a motherís and I

said look I can't like you know it's impossible in my condition but I just want to be able to understand the Quran and this one evening I I caught him and we're sitting down and we're going through I said to him Mawlana Salman Thomas huh up here we go through a short surah please so he was going through one of the surahs with just me him in the Masjid just saying there's a small mosquitoes in hansworth in Birmingham so he was going through it going through it and he was saying oh this word means this and this this and I'm like listen listen listen and you know he just stopped suddenly and he

just looked at me and he said to me he said to me you know what he said you all you will get to study and I just kind of smiled and he said to me not only that he said you will become a scholar but you'll become a great scholar you said you'll surpass so many people like you'll be on such like a high plateau of learning so at that I just kind of at the time just laughed like Alf induye haha you know what I said and he said no he said I'm serious he said you will he said that I mean on he said on a world

scale that people will come to know of you so I said to him I wish more than herself and and he said to me oh but you'll you'll forget me then he said you'll be like who's this Mawlana Syed you corny you Mawlana say he said boy what a shame I can't the poncho you know you and Allah will give you great great success so you know I I just kind of laughed off his words and said Mawlana sob what are you saying you know like and what's this

word and we kind of just left it there but I have to say it didn't at the time it didn't occur to me but in later life as events unfolded and I did get to go miraculously I got to study and I got to achieve things and things went from you know one stage to another you know his words always kind of echoed in my ears and it's amazing how sometimes some people you know maybe you value them and from their hearts a door is a meeting that that reaches the

heavens and destiny as you know it is overwhelmingly rewritten that maybe everything that you know you you achieve certain things in life just because somebody made a kind ofle like you never know these things so I think that that's something that's a very personal kind of story which I often think about and I did I tried to track down that Mawlana Saab I could like I once once you know I

accidentally I once bumped into him about a decade ago about a decade ago yeah I bumped into him problem probably less than a decade maybe about like eight years ago something nine years ago just on a street somewhere and and I went approached him and I did asked I said most lmit come on honest Alvin but I think he he didn't stop for me and he he just briefly stopped and shook my hand and I said I said Manas up it's me and you know it's Maulana Sahib isn't it I said that you know how are you how are you doing and this and that and he and he just he was just talking

nonstop like you wasn't making any sense he was the saying I think there may be some you know mental health issues and he was just saying things and they didn't really I said how are you doing - I don't know if you remember me from hansworth and years ago and I need to say that child gets hurt II can't stop taking a child harmful care and he's just walking away and and he just kind of like pulled his hand out and you know just walked off and I tried to say something and I I mean I did try to track him down but I don't you know it's very few people new areas I hope wherever he is if he is that you know

may Allah grant him good health but likewise people do take your time and sometimes you have many hidden gems just around you you know value them whether it's in the form of your parents your peers your people you can learn from people you can gain experience from in these things you know perhaps Allah perhaps it's rigged in that way that in it Allah has hidden certain treasures for you guys with that I'm gonna wrap it up take very good care of yourselves as always it's been awesome you shall love much love hala was salam o aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato

over and out folks