My 5MEO DMT Journey | Healing & Trauma | Our Relationship with God | (Inner Compass w/MALM)

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Give some of you an opportunity to share your thoughts on that which is preoccupying your precious minds. Allah I'll wait for some people to tune in. Right.

You know, I was watching this brief clip by uh Nasirin Nasir, great legend from the Indo Park world. So he's mentioning in it that that when a person is happy, joyous, you know just full of wins if you like.

He feels the whole world is winning. He feels everybody is happy. He says similarly that when a person is downtrodden, they are sad, they're depressed, they're losing in many ways. They feel the whole world is losing.

He says that John Peri that He's the first the first line to it. He he had damn it slipped my mind. He has this uh line that explains that that the moment it afflicted us, we felt that the whole Jan was the same.

But it reminded me of that, you know, when we were kids, we would hear that smile and the whole world smiles right back at you. That this is so um it is a a law of this universe that Allah has encoded into being with a capital B.

You see that if I want us to think about that that this world this world is most certainly a simulation that Allah has created. And if that be the case, where is the control panel or for this configuration for this?

Where is it that where Allah says know that the life of this world is a game. What does that mean? You know, because it's interesting because the Arabs didn't often use them, you know, like today how we have this idiom that oh, life is like a game.

The Arabs didn't use that idiom much back then. They didn't have that phrase that we that is common place today that the life of this world is but a game. But this wasn't something that was used back then by the Arabs. So it what might have been more you know common use or more relatable is to say something like life is like a battle.

You know imagine Allah says it is a battle or it is a a journey or something else. You know, it's like but that the life of this world is but a game.

You see to me that is cuts much deeper than just the metaphor of a game. What we are talking about is the simulation nature of this world and the control paths thereby lie within our mind consciousness.

See, our minds can control reality. Now, you may think, well, that doesn't make any sense because, you know, I can't just will myself into something totally. Sure, it doesn't necessarily work in that particular way that you can change everything. A bit like a game on the screen. You can't if it's a I don't know, I don't really play many computer games.

Let's say you're playing a I don't know like a war game. You can't suddenly change it into a car racing game. But it's that's not the point. The point is that many things are much more malleable than you imagine. There was this line of poetry that I heard recently.

The person said, that this story ultimately is your very own that if it may be write it with excellence Allah that Yeah.

And this verse of the Quran, let's see, somebody perosis. What's the second line to that? Miy, I'll have the steak.

Medium rare. See, even medium rare I don't have. It must be rare. You see, I like my steak rare. Allah see maz if it doesn't it must be you see people who have okay medium rare is is the most a person could go. anything above that and anybody who goes to you know to kind of well done that [gasps] to that's just uh gusti and blasphemy

and a waste of a steak but you guys are distracting me so so right as I was saying that you see the the control panel for this world is in our mind.

And when you think about it, the verse of the Quran that you do not will for something. You see, many people have understood this verse through another lens.

And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with understanding it through that that you do not will except for what God has willed. Meaning that God is ultimately in control. Nobody's, you know, denying that understanding. It is beautiful. It is absolutely on point.

However, the majestic nature of the Quran is that it reveals simultaneously through a superp positionality many meanings that dawn on you in your everyday lives that make the Quran more meaningful. So that is an understanding that most people have taken from this verse.

But this verse actually can mean that that you do not will for something. You don't wish for it. Except that Allah, the lord of the worlds, wills it into being.

Allah. But you don't will something except Allah wills it into being. Yeah. All right. So MPCs. Yeah, it does beg a question. Are there certain NPCs in this world?

I think they could be. They could be, but I guess we'd never really know. But that is a beautiful point that if it may be write it with excellence

yeah one way to you see to get to the source the source code for this duna is the bazak. It is the that boundary. It is that the bazak means that boundary the barrier between this world and the world of pure spirit maybe or or the divine domain that you have this barrier realm which suggests maybe not a 3D like structure.

I don't know. It kind of suggests that I don't know if that's how it is but that it's more like a barrier and we are all in that as we are here just as the characters in a game are in the console as they are on the screen. But in the console, they're not, you know, they don't look like the characters on the screen, but they are more so in the console than they are on the screen.

And what's happening in there dictates or what is coded in there dictates the potentialities that appear on the screen. So, and such is the life of this and that what we're connected to always is the bar and the and that's where we you know one pathway to access it is when we switch off the conscious mind.

See the conscious mind is what keeps us active in this simulation in this dunya. The conscious mind, the unconscious mind is always seeping through always. In fact, perhaps 99% of our decision making is influenced by the unconscious mind. But we just don't know that. We think we post hawk rationalize it.

So we think that this is because we are you know we we might rationalize it. Oh it's because of this reason that reason but most of these reasons are subconscious to us. They're coming from the bah pouring through. Now, we don't fully understand that, but we just know that they are.

We just know that we're choosing this, choosing that. What's blocking it is the conscious mind. And the conscious vision, if you think about it, they say it's almost just like your thumbnails. If you kind of put it out that that's what you are. I mean, that's not consciousness, but that's the conscious vision field that you are. And you're just kind of filling in everything else. Now, so how do we access the unconscious mind?

Well, one way is through um through sleep. When we sleep, the conscious mind is switched off and therefore we have complete that's one pathway by which we access a very habitual accustomed pathway by which we access the bar. We dream, we see things, you know this.

And the world of the BA behaves differently. It has a different language symbols just as the console panel has a different language to what you're seeing on the screen. You know, if you open up the console, you don't see little characters in there.

It's all a kind of coding. I'm not saying that's how the barak is, but we don't know how that is. But we know it's not like this world. This world is almost just a a manifestation as says a majar. It is a manifestation, a hologram if you like of that world, the barak before us.

Now that's one way. Another way could be daydreaming. Imagination is another way we access the bara. Psychedelics is another way and a very kind of almost to burst open a pathway a gateway a portal into the ba and it gives you know it's because it's an it's not a pathway we as humans are very used to.

Therefore, the experience by something like psychedelics is immensely powerful and it is, you know, very very raw and just unfiltered in a way that we're not as used to. Like we're used to the pathway of sleep. We're used to the pathway of daydreaming. We're used to the pathway of imagination.

But we as humans are not used to these are like almost one could say cheat codes that are hidden in the game in the simulation that allow you to access the source allow you to access the bar. And these portals because they're not ones so habitualized that we're so used to they have an incredibly intense unfiltered and raw experience about them.

Once again, you know, many of which will require some decoding, some interpreting, some um integration into our understanding because we don't always understand. You know, it's like when you see a dream, you don't always understand what the dream is communicating because we are used to communication in this world with certain certain modes.

[snorts] Now, those are not always um the modes, you know, the modus operandi of that world. Just as dreams, you know, they're part of that world. We don't think of it a bit like how somebody with autism doesn't fully understand non-verbal cues.

Yet to you and me and many people, non-verbal cues are intuitive. The way a person looks when he says something, just the look of the eye, the smile, whether it's a smirk, whether it's a grin, whether it's, you know, body language, sarcasm, we can tell these things intuitively, you know, without any effort, you can tell these things.

But if a person for example had autism, these social cues are very difficult for them to read. They can't read them. They I mean they might train themselves to read them, but they don't come to them intuitively like they will to non autist non autistic people that they just come intuitively to us.

So similarly we as people are on a kind of autism spectrum with regards to the bers that the way the bzak communicates is in symbols in experiences in apprehensions. You apprehend a meaning.

Now what you are seeing may not mean in a normal sense that you know you like a person may may apprehend you know it's like I a few years ago I read that this book um it was on grief.

It's actually quite a powerful book. Um what's it called? I've got it. Right. So, it was Let me see if I have it here somewhere. Just going to see because it might just, you know, sometimes those things just bug us then.

Let's see. Was it on my Did I have it on this Kindle as well? I did buy the hard copy, but it call the year of the year of something. The year of it was on grief.

The I see grief the year of the year of magical thinking. Now there was a paragraph in that where the author she mentions that she was I think walking in some park and the sunlight was at a certain you know at a certain angle and and there was a glow and she said and she has this apprehension

that it meant death. Now, that was very interesting cuz when I read that, she kind of not the experience but the overall the way she's describing the apprehension of certain meanings. It gave words to something which I never had words for before. So, I knew exactly what she's saying, but I did not have the words for it in that way or I'd not articulated it or heard it being articulated.

So, and when I read it, I knew exactly what she was talking about. Not necessarily the death part, but the fact that certain things at certain times give a meaning, even though that meaning has nothing to do with the thing you're looking at. So the world that world communicates in that way and psychedelics can yeah they can just I guess boost rocket boost a person into the the depths

of that understanding. Yeah. You know, I [clears throat] this reminds me what I'll do is I'm going to share the link for if people want to join the uh join the live stream. But before that, I just reminded me I'll share my experience.

A few people had asked um a very powerful experience that I'd had personally just be or tying in with that you can see somebody asked view on Dr. Simon Mbah Allah bless him. Amen.

He says that All you know Dr. Sulan Miss Bahis he is a gem of our times.

Allah. He is one, you know, this a man who to me I feel a man of God who I guess he'll never know what he's done to help me personally with my faith. Just what a beautiful blessed human being.

a privilege to have his his words, his thoughts. He's on YouTube and he just speaks from the heart. Allah abar. I listen to his things often. He's one of the only people I listen to in Udu. I don't really listen to many uh Uru speeches. I listen to poetry a lot, but I'm not really interested.

I'm not so drawn to many molanas and things like that in Uru. I mean I maybe if there's something very interesting I actually let me correct that. I do listen to Ramdi Sab um whenever it comes up something interesting I'll listen to Ramdi Sab I do listen to some udu podcasts whenever something interesting comes up um I do listen to just correcting that uh there's a very amazing who I absolutely love as well he has a similar name to Ramdi Sab but it's inverted so you have uh uh so Hammedi

Sab is called Javeed Ahmed Rahmed Isabad and his name is Ahmed Javeed. So it's the other way. He's he's just another amazing soul. Uh he he has this white heart, white long beard. He's a professor of poetry and udu literature and and just a a person who fathoms mysticism and philosophy. I do love listening to him.

He now by the grace of Allah is appearing on many more podcasts. So I do listen to him. Um and then maybe an occasional maybe there's some small snippets of an udu uh brief lectures might come up on social media. I might sometimes listen to them but I don't generally listen to many uh just other speeches and just don't I guess um except the only person I seek out I will go to YouTube and seek out his lectures to

listen to are Dr. Sulman miss it's the only in Udu that is like to seek out specifically an udu um he Allah has gifted him Allah bless him he has come to the UK and you know I really did want to meet him but I felt you see the problem is that there's too much politics at play and too many people, you know, try to power grab and

um and then I just I don't know, I let it be. I didn't want to um even entertain or participate in the theatricality of these sectarian politics. I thought it doesn't matter. I mean I but this this man to me Allah bless him is a legend. This is why I didn't really appreciate uh Mai Engineer gunning for him when he was trying to and I there were one two people that I

know that are in contact with Miss Bahisab. So at the time I did message them to say that you know if this message can reach Miss Bahi Sab uh this is Dr. Solan misbah it was that don't please don't allow these haters or mira to derail you from your positive outlook and just you know because the thing about him is his smile and his care and love that shines through so cuz I noticed on one two

lectures he'd started then addressing this hate and and then negativity brings negativity you see. So, alhamdulillah and yeah, so I think he you know he did just keep to his own mission. Alhamdulillah. And this is why I didn't understand Mira engineer you know he was gunning for him in this way that oh he's engaged in folklore and he you know he makes up these stories or he he narrates these fabricated stories.

You see what you don't understand is there is a divine experience that is being had by people. Now people that are listening to this it there is at a certain realm a religious experience taking place. Now I understand it may not be everybody's cup of tea or some people may say you know some of these stories are not authentic or but and what like he's not claiming like these stories that he's telling they're just about people they're not something about the Quran it's nothing you know and and then this sense of authenticity

that Miza Engineer was um doubling down on and using as a you He himself can't answer these questions. He can't answer the Bkari gate question. He can't answer the question of the you know the the kind of the gaps in the Assanid project. He can't answer these things. Nobody can. They can't. They're unanswerable.

So if you know it's that thing that [clears throat] allow me one miracle and I'll explain the rest. You know it's like well you know Girdle's uh incompleteness theorem that sure you know if if it's okay for you in one thing then let other people be they are serving some greatness out there but yeah

what is the heart this is Allah speaking that what is the heart we would have revealed ourselves into your soul. that if only you'd wanted or loved the way one ought to have loved Allah.

Yeah. the a few people had asked me it will be an absolute pleasure to visit Kazakistan. you know some my experience

you see a few years ago I will highlight that look I am an advocate of psychedelics everybody knows that but like anything. There are ways, methods, pathways, rules to everything.

And like everything, not everything is for everybody. I understand that. You know, if a person has weak bones or something's wrong and they go and start working out in the gym, they might hurt themselves. Just as a normal person could go into a gym and not do it properly and thereby hurt himself, dislocate a shoulder, fracture something, you know, pull your back or worse still.

Everything has rules to it. It doesn't make it to me these things are not haram. But that doesn't even the caution argument doesn't make it haram. You know, you could injure yourself dangerously in a gym. And I'm so I'm sure several people throughout their lifetimes have injured themselves dangerously in a gym. Obviously, the vast majority of people have not, but I'm sure if you started reading documented accidents that have taken place in the gym, that does not make the gym haram.

Many people have had very dangerous car accidents, that does not make the roads or cars or vehicles haram. So now obviously there are rules when you're in in a vehicle. There are rules when you're on the road. There is a way there is an uh an etiquette to going about something that you always do this with trained individuals like anything you know you don't just if you don't know how to swim you don't just go and jump into a deep end unsupervised like anything.

So that that's not but that doesn't make swimming haram now all of a sudden. So like anything and this is you know this is common sense goes without say we don't re these are things we don't really need to even say because everybody should know that like anything that is profound in life you would need some rules some oversight some supervision some guidance on how to do it.

You know, even medicine, you would need guidance on how to take medicine. You know, if if somebody just put a whole load of pills there and didn't tell you how many to take or how to take them or when to take them, you could do some harm. But on the same token, those pills could potentially save you or incredibly enhance your well-being if done rightly and under supervision.

So, or with some guidance. So this is common sense and the fact that this caveat even needs to be expressed just you know goes to show sometimes the very shallow level of thought that we're in. So now we are entering a stage where psychedelics is the benefits of it is being caught on so massively by society at large.

In my understanding within 10 to 15 years, everybody will consider psychedelics not only halal, they will be encouraging them. It's just people are behind. People are victims of propaganda. They are victims to Nixon's propaganda on drugs and they still remain victims to them.

It's a shame. And if you tell them they refuse to, you know, they're so brainwashed and institutionally brainwashed and including people they could be doctors, they could be all the they are so institutionalized that thinking out of the box is so difficult for them. Now they are showing that things like psilocybin in what is magic mushrooms increases cellular lifespan by over 50%.

That's the research coming out very recently now the studies it won't be long before big farmer capitalizes on all of this and but these things before big farmer has caught on to them you know we these are things which are already known now as to the topic of haram and halal those who believe this is haram that's fine I'm not you know this isn't for You you can believe it's haram.

Okay, this is not to address you. But you do not have a right to impose your way on other people. That is for you. Just as when you take what meat is halal. There is a difference from the Malikia school of Medina which consider no animal except pig to be haram. They might consider them makaroo but are not haram right down to the hanafi mother which consider most animals to be haram except as poultry and dosile creatures.

So this in between you know all of this spectrum of wild animals and all of these things there is a difference of opinion massive difference of opinion you know now to some people all of these things are haram you know to the hanafia all predatory animals are haram. Now like including that in the sea a shark is haram according to the hanfi.

Now according to the Maliki method, every sea creature and every bird is halal and every land animal is not haram. And I say not haram as opposed to halal because some might be discouraged but not haram. So they might be makaroo but not haram and except pig. So pig is the only animal that is haram clearly in the in a very dominant view of the malikim.

Now there are some differences in the malikim but that and I have a very detailed video explaining this. You can just search it my name and meet in Islam on YouTube. It's something like a 45minut breakdown showing all the references and I show the ham and the mur and so you could take something like is haram.

Now obviously in the hanafi mab it's haram in the mali mab it's not in the mab other wild animals are haram but hina is halal now somebody could be eating hyena now is that I'm not saying you would eat that but somebody could be some of the companions did used to hunt hyena in the hadith so this is where why the say it's okay because it's in the hadith that they're hunting it so now what would you now if you believe let's say you're a hanim Molana you believe ha is haram but that's for you to practice it's not for you to impose it on other people

to say you know it's your dean this is your understanding if other people disagree they have a different interpretation it's not for you now you might say wellina has a hadith what about the maliki method there isn't a hadith for every single wild animal in fact there is a hadith that every you know predatory animal is forbidden.

There is a hadith Malik transmits it in the mahar himself but yet I im Malik's mab is against it. So and it transmits that every bird of prey is haram or forbidden is the word used in the hadith. It's by Abu Hurer. Imam Malik transmits this hadith yet his madhab and his teaching to kasim is it's not haram because that's what the people of Medina were upon that it's not haram.

Now you might have this hadith and you might say well I believe this is haram. I believe you know any birds of prey are haram. That's fine. You don't need to eat them but it's not for you to go around imposing on other people. So the maliki for example disagrees with you. Now it's not for you to say we are correct and they you can say what you want but you can't impose the be you are not one that imposes on other people.

This is the Quran speaking to the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam and us by extension. Now so with psychedelics it's the same thing that if you believe it's haram then that's fine. That's for you. other people who don't believe it's haram, it's not for you to impose on them. You just impose on yourself. That's fine. Now, yeah. So with these things, you know, the last several years of my life, I would say

I would say in many ways have felt maybe three, four times the amount of years that I've lapsed. So to me it's felt like maybe the last five years, 6 years have felt something like 15 to 20 years have passed for me and a lot has happened in that and many difficulties, many challenges and

and just life you know in all its shades and colors and and I would say unquestionably that has played a role in me changing that I you know I am unquestionably a very different person in many ways obviously I'm still similar in some things but then I was maybe 5 years ago six years ago I feel that and there's been many things in that that have played a role including, you know, the challenges, grief,

witnessing my mother's cancer, witnessing her passing away. Psychedelics has been one of those factors as well that it it is an experience that you know what does a person do with that?

You know the I experienced During those rough periods, what is called 5me DMT, which is some people call it the God particle, it is perhaps the most arguably the most powerful psychedelic on earth.

and they excrete it from the sonar toad. So it comes and sometimes it is found in some um in some plants as well in nature but it's generally extracted from the toad's venom and it is then you know they there's a process where they kind of draw it and then you know they they turn it into a kind of solid crystal format.

Now this it's known as 5me or they call it bufo or sometimes they just refer to it Mike Tyson for example often speaks about it as just the toad they call it because it comes from the toad in this experience almost everybody almost maybe some people are exempt but almost everybody body will experience what they believe to be death that you come

face to face with it. And it's so weird because you know before when I took it and this was with trained individuals, you know, the they they're like shamans. They're trained in this practice and they know what they're doing and they guide you how what will happen and how to breathing exercises and all of these things.

They remind you and and interestingly enough the intention plays a powerful role. So what do you want from this that to understand God reality and consciousness? That was my intention. Now they say that it kicks in within three heartbeats.

That's how fast it is. And it is fast and it's so you know when it begins and this is something I would never advise for anyone to to be their first experience into the world of psychedelics and I wouldn't advise anybody to do psychedelics without a trained um you know like a trained uh overseer or supervisor that guides or a trained guide that takes them through it.

Never ever should anybody ever do any on their own ever. It is just too too powerful, too dangerous like that. And you know within they say three heartbeats it kicks in and you feel your body evaporate. And at that moment, you just fall back into what looks like you're just asleep.

Looks like you're peacefully asleep. just but yeah Allah you know in those first few moments oh my god I remember clearly the panic that I'm dying and I felt I couldn't breathe and and I felt that my breath couldn't come beneath my you know my throat that it just couldn't

come down like I couldn't and I remember thinking to myself that if I could just swallow my spit maybe I could clear my throat and I might might be able to ble breathe and and just as I was about to do it I remembered the guide telling us before that look if you can don't fight it.

So in that moment I thought that it's okay just die like let it be don't fight it that don't try to swallow you just just let it be and you know what's weird is in that moment I came face to face with a vision

which I recognized from before. Like when I looked at it, I knew it. And it was death. I don't know how I knew, but I I didn't just know it. I recognized it. It's like when you know something, but one you somehow recognize what you see.

And I could recognize that ah this is death. I recognize it. And then within just moments I went through it. And the moment I went through it, Yah, you are no longer this ego, this you, but you're kind of like a consciousness you.

You're still there. You're like R, but not this body anymore. You're out of this simulation. You kind of expand into [clears throat] everything that somehow you are you but somehow you are connected with everything. the entire cosmos. You're connected, but you're oddly still aware.

And the feeling, it's there is a term ineffable that you cannot describe, put words to the feeling, but an incredibly positive feeling. So peaceful and blissful. There isn't a narrative anymore. There isn't this kind of picture of you anymore like that.

And and time has disappeared. There is no time. And this part of it went on and then then I appear. There's this part where I then appear but it's not me like this me but it's me and I appear in the presence of God.

There is this powerful light and I know it to be in the presence of God and and it's so blissful and I in that moment realize that I there is no such thing as worry.

that there is no such thing as fear. And I remembered the verse that ah and I remembered that ah is this what it could mean?

And I was there for so long. so long. It's so strange. I could, you know, I could observe and be observed at the same time that that's, you know, this nonduality that I was subject and object simultaneously.

And I remembered that verse that the one who witnesses and is being witnessed and I was there for so long wall and it felt so like there's no better feeling than it.

And what felt to me at the time that 80 years went by. I don't know how that was being calculated but it was being felt like that that I felt that you know how we feel time go by like I feel a day has gone by I feel sometime like I felt that 80 years went by whilst I was the in the presence of Allah and and then I started to you know when I

started come out of this. What's odd is the first thing you know when you're there you don't have thoughts. There's no thoughts. There's only knowing. You only know thing. You don't think things. You know how we have thoughts or like a little voice sometimes in our head or we're thinking thoughts or we that has stopped but it had stopped but I wasn't aware that it had stopped.

I just almost you see because you are not your thoughts. You are the one having the thoughts. So a bit like saying when you wake up in the morning, let's say whoever you are, you don't wake up in the morning and remind yourself, oh my name is this, you know who you are. There's just a knowing when you wake up like that. like and the odd thing is all of a sudden I started having racing thoughts and I thought with the thoughts I

thought oh I'm having thoughts again and with that I started coming back and it's weird because then I could hear like in the distance some music I could sense the [snorts] you the fragrance. There was a fragrance and aroma in that room. I could sense it all of a sudden. I could hear voices now, but they felt distant, but they were getting closer and closer.

And I mean, they weren't actually distant, but they this is how I was kind of coming back out of it. And you know, and then I kind of felt my hand kind of twitching, like my fingers moving. And I remember uh kind of gradually [clears throat] opening my eyes and the first thing I did, now this is so odd because later on I heard almost everybody does this.

By the way, I hadn't researched other people's experiences before taking this path. I hadn't and I'm glad I hadn't so as to they didn't influence my experience. The first thing I did was I touched my face. And apparently this is something everybody does when they come back. But I remember touching my face and thinking, "Damn, I've got a face." Now I know that sounds so stupid, [laughter] but in that moment, it's intuitive, instinctive.

I thought, "Oh, I've got a I've got a face." And and then I kind of looked around and the few people there were just looking at me. They were just smiling like I cuz I thought I'd been away for so long. But I couldn't have been that long because nobody's panicking. Nobody's.

So I I remember sitting up and I just broke into uncontrollable ecstatic laughter. I don't know why I was laughing. And this is another thing they say. They call it the cosmic laughter that apparently most people when they come back they go into this hysterical laughter. And people say it's because the soul realizes that oh that this this life doesn't really you know it's nothing.

It's just a game and it's it's kind of just coming back and it's just reacting to that moment with ecstatic hysterical laughter and they call it cosmic laughter and most people experience it and I could not stop laughing. I did not know why I was laugh. I was like, why am I laughing? Everybody was laughing all of a sudden.

And I asked them, "How long was I gone?" And they said, "About 25 minutes." I was [laughter] like, "What 25 minutes? I'd lived a lifetime." and came back. And ya Allah, you know, as Allah says that

that we will show them our signs. that from the cosmos right into their very selves. That there is another world that if they go in, we will show them our signs until it becomes manifest to them that either it is the truth or that it was the truth.

Allah This this was there are things which you know in this journey of life we share with one another. Now it is true everybody's experience is very different and these things are whatn would call he he would give another name to the barak as that the imaginal realm which is an a

kind of which is another name another function modality of the bar and that's what this is and in that world what you experience is not a oneto-one one correlate of it. So for example, if you experience Allah in a certain way, it doesn't mean Allah is like that. But in that bak experience, he can appear to you like that.

Just as the prophet said in a hadith that I saw my lord as a as a handsome young man with hair up to his earlobes. Now this does not mean Allah is like that. But you can experience anything in the bers realm. This is what Ari writes that the world of the bers is a world of symbols that anything can symbolize anything. So Allah can symbolize light or light in the ba can symbolize Allah or as in that hadith the handsome young man or this epitome of beauty can symbolize Allah.

it doesn't mean it is Allah and and everybody including said that hadith is yeah I thought I'd share that I'm going to share the link if anybody let's have if anybody wants to jump on and maybe share some thoughts and right where are we at people somebody's writing in another language I don't know what that is I don't know why this is getting jammedi.

Yeah. So yeah, somebody said, "Is that a sahi hadith?" Yeah, it's a sah hadith. Um the prophet said, "I saw my lord as a handsome young man with hair up into his earlobes." and in one narration dressed green or in another narration sitting or resting in a green oasis.

So there was a um super sticker I just want to say shukran Allah bless you perosis famous couple often to quoted that was very much in line with what we were discussing earlier on that you know elevate yourself to that status that the

lord should ask what is your will you know let's let that be allahbar so people I've shared the link if anybody wants to join in All right.

Um, yeah. So, deja vu. Yeah. So, I think you mean Hannah by that maybe deja vu becomes more meaningful. Yeah. Deja vu I believe is meaningful. I have a mine trap with uh uh CDL where we speak of deja vu from the word Allah.

Meanwhile, let's see. We've got I've shared the link. Anybody wants Did I not share it? Yes. Salam. This is where I But you know, one thing with these experiences, these trips is you really develop such a powerful bond and a love and empathy. And I'm going to circle back to this part in a moment. I'll take some live uh you know guests and but it does is it heals [snorts] trauma

and I feel that we especially as Muslims especially I could say in the UK um you know they see Muslims and I think by extensioning this really includes many people growing up here but especially this is because I can speak firsthand experience that we carry like say Pakistani men and women but let's say I can speak as a man that we carry a so much traumatized

upbringings that we carry so much trauma that we have disproportionately ly been damaged that I do feel that maybe we as British Pakistani men especially that we suffer disproportionately from narcissistic personality disorder.

I think that we have an like a disproportionate amount of narcissism. Now these things can be healed. I feel that one of the things these things allowed me to do was heal from a lot of this. Like it's only later that I felt oh I too had these kind of traits and I could only tell later on but because I couldn't tell before but I could only tell later on by comparing contrasting.

It's a bit like saying if you like let's say you have a certain vision like let's say you're shortsighted or you're color blind or you like you would picture the world to just be like that like you wouldn't be able to tell it's different unless other people you compare it to other people but when it comes to things like narcissism we can't compare it to other people because the narcissism kind of blocks you from doing that.

So it's only when you're healed and now it's shown that things like psychedelics or MDMA even they can heal narcissistic personality uh disorders obviously with certain therapeutic methods that is so and it's only after a person can contrast that oh okay like h through memories you can think Yeah, actually I don't think I you know could feel the way I feel now.

Before like going reflecting in memories that there was some feelings but it was very handicapped compared to how it is now. So it's as if all of a sudden the it's like as if you were let's say you've gone from very low resolution to high resolution in terms of empathy in terms of compassion in terms of emotions in terms of and then you can tell the difference think oh my god like it wasn't so I do think even if it's not for a spiritual or religious experience but

for healing trauma I I think that we as uh especially they see British Muslim Pakistanis we are disproportionately carrying a lot of trauma and it needs to be healed cuz you see we don't realize but we are you see by extension you're not having healthy relationships around you then whether it's with your children whether it's with your family whether it's whether it's with anyone you're not like these things are being impeded did let's bring on some

um some people and yeah of course whatever thoughts are on your mind first of all how are you >> I'm well >> how are you I'm the thing is usually you do it on a Friday but I'm actually at the office so I really you know I really want to come on but I you know I'm working so I can't and luckily for me or for us >> luckily for us today it's a public holiday on Friday >> and I'm so happy and I'm so excited.

Um just some big news >> it into being some good go for it. Yeah, go for it. I see me and Denise >> look coming on you. [laughter] >> It's just me being lazy. I got to shave later on. Yeah, it's just me being lazy. you handsome stud. Great. >> Um, I'll just give you a quick tour of my unit. Me and Denise, we purchased a unit um a couple of weeks ago.

I think two or three weeks ago, and we just moved in. So, we got a little gym and everything happening. >> Um, yeah, some washing and just a little bit of Yeah, still got to clean it up and stuff. So, yeah. >> Allah blessed a bar. [laughter] >> But you you've been well? >> Yeah, I'm well. Allah be praised. Everything is good and you know the mysteries and the splendor continues to unfold around us.

So what more can we say except >> and and the funny thing is um I usually I usually have in my mind a few things to ask you but then when I do come on I get so overwhelmed and starruck by you I forget everything. [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Where is that?

>> All right. So, I do I won't take too much of your time because I know there's probably already a few people on the on the line on the waiting list. Um, so I've got I've got two questions if if I may ask. >> Of course. Of course, please. >> Okay. So a while ago, I think this was b maybe six or seven years ago, you had a um a meetup or a podcast with um a few people and the title was role of reason in religion.

I think you had you hide out a hall, a community hall, and there was people asking you questions. >> Yeah. And I and I and I listen to that a lot of times. So the other day there was a few Jamaati brothers um visiting our mosque from Melbourne and we're just talking and stuff and I and I said to him look for me reason has uh religion has to make sense and you know you have to you have to apply reason and logic >> and one thing that they always come back with and I can't really answer them so maybe um I can ask you for your opinion what they what they say is oh whose logic or whose opinion how do you sort of respond to someone like that if they say oh logic is very subjective reason is very subjective so you No, you can't

really apply that um argument. Yeah, if you can maybe help me with that. >> You see, sure. Well, like you know when they say that look people say who's uh whose logic and whose reason you see this is almost we're speak it's like apples and oranges that they're using here logic and in that sense they're using the word there to mean almost like somebody's personal uh preference.

They're using it like that. Yeah. >> Like a person to say well you know in my opinion like this >> but that's not sure that can be used in language you can use you know I can say well you know according to my logic we should do things like this there I'm using this to mean my preferred kind of outlook on something my preference we should do things in this way.

However, most people agree that there is a kind of commonality between human beings that so which we all like an intersubjectivity. We agree that there is some which people might call general common sense. Now you might say well you know like there's an there's a famous adage that oh well common sense is not so common. Sure.

But to a great extent it still is just as if you ask these people [snorts] look how do you how do you okay I don't want to use the word argue but let's say how do you engage a person to believe that there or how do you engage the argument that there is only one god?

Now any answer they're giving they're referring to this common logic because then you could say they say well look it's logical. Ah but I thought you said whose logic >> you know what what like if I asked them that is it does it you know by what extent would you argue against idolatry?

By what argument is the Quran arguing against statues as gods? It's it's extending to a common sense that human beings adhere to. It's trying to say do you think these things that can't speak are helping you? What is Allah reaching out to there? He's reaching out to humans common sense. Now a person could say well according to whose logic then >> you know how do you believe?

So they themselves are just being dishonest in that moment or they're just having cognitive dissonance because they do agree that you could put forward the argument of one God and they only do it based on common logic and common sense. Otherwise nothing in this world would make sense. You couldn't argue anything [clears throat] without a common logic.

We as humans do have common logic. So when they're using this word, oh according to whose logic? They're using it there with a different meaning. Meaning almost according to whose preference? But that's not how we use the word generally. Generally we use the word when I say well according to logic. See there I'm not saying according to my logic. I'm according to general logic.

according to general uh common sense that human beings subscribe to like we all understand that something which I've just created how can that be the creator of the world like if I've just created this statue how could this statue have created the world and be running the world that goes against common sense now I'm not saying I do agree that some people might have aberant thinking they might for example uh have psychotic thinking or aberant thinking or they might be delusional but most human beings will share and subscribe to this

commonality of reason the voice of reason most people do they understand it this is why they don't do dumb stuff in their real world even if it's you know it's like they in their uh so for example people don't just do like they recognize things like I don't just walk in front of a car they they've recognized It's going to run me over. Like these things. One could say, "Well, the car hasn't run you over yet." According to whose logic, it's going to run you over.

Well, according to all logic, it's going to run you over because that's how the world works. You understand that >> that there's no point saying, "Well, well, the car hasn't run you over yet. So, how do you know it's going to run you over?" Well, you know that based on your common observation of the world. So, that is the commonality of reason that is subscribed to Thank you. Thank you. All right. Um, no, you've answered that perfectly for me.

Um, Mui, uh, do am I allowed to have one more question or two? Up to you. I'm trying to decide which one to ask. If I can have one. >> Go on. Let's do one since there's a few people waiting and we'll kind of >> It's a very easy one. >> Sure. Go. >> This is a very easy pick one. Um, just and it's actually um, ironic that you were discussing it just 10 15 minutes ago about the meat in the Maliki matab.

Now, I think you have touched upon this before, but if you can maybe just dumb it down or simplify it for me, like we live in the west, like I live in Australia, you live in England. Um, >> you've you obviously got Aldi and Costco, I'm assuming. And you know, the meat that you buy Yeah. you know the meat that you buy from Aldi and Costco. This is where I was a little bit um confused about. You know how we live in a predominantly Christian country.

So is it okay as per the Maliki Madhab to buy meat, beef and chicken from Costco and Audi? Because a lot of the Hanafies in our in Darwin, they only go to a halal butcher. You'll never buy from Costco or Audi. If you can maybe just explain that confusion. >> I thought I don't get my meat from there, but I thought Costco meat ironically comes from either Australia or New Zealand and is actually halal.

This was what Okay. So, I've been told this by people in the UK that most of not most that the Costco meat obviously not pork but the other meat that it it's imported from I forgot either news I'm sure people can Google it either New Zealand or uh Australia and because they have huge [snorts] clientele in the Arab world.

>> Yes. >> So based on that all of their meat is just halal. So it caters for everyone because otherwise use that on custom. Yeah. >> Yes. That's the same thing here with Costco and Aldi here. But what the people say is or like a lot of the people that I've spoken to what why they refuse to go to these places because and I think it's a little bit silly. What they say is they put the chicken on the same table as the pork and they could be a little bit of cost I don't know silly a little bit of crosscontamination.

Or they use the same knife to you know cut it down into slices with the chicken and the pork or the beef and the pork. That's why it becomes haram. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, those like crosscontamination is another masah which really >> look if a person doesn't want to sure that's fine. Look a person should go with their conscience. >> If somebody feels like look to me this is haram. I'm not going there.

Uh even though they're saying look it's halal. uh or they're saying it's sourced from halal meat, but let's say this topic of crosscontamination using the same knife or stuff like this. This generally shouldn't make it haram in any way. But if a person doesn't feel comfortable, fine, don't do it. We know this because look, the Christians for example, the Quran says you can [clears throat] eat their meat.

>> But the Christians in the prophet's time would also consume pork. They weren't just the Christians in the prophet's time used to eat pork. The Jewish people didn't, but the Christians did. So the Quran clearly says you can eat the meat of the Christians. And the Christians at home when they're cooking for you, they're not going to use different utensils. They're going to cook the same way as you cook. They're just going to use the same pots and pans. And and in the time of the prophet, they never had like fairy liquid and things like that to clean deep clean the utensils.

there was probably always some layers of fat and some layers of things still being you know some tiny molecules being uh trapped. So we were commanded not to become OCD in these matters. You see food ultimately Allah says in the Quran your meats do not reach me. It is only devotion. So whether you sacrifice something or you do this, it's the devotion that reaches me.

The blood does not reach me, Allah says, and neither does the meat reach me. It is your devotion. So if it is halal in the Quran to eat from the people of the book then it wouldn't be haram you know crosscontamination them using their same in fact Imam Malik's fatwa and Imam Ahmed Ibn Ham's fatwa was that if you married a Christian woman she was allowed to cook pork at home and she was allowed to keep pork in her you know in her storage at home and she was allowed to keep wine.

That was what I Malik said and this is what I immediat Malik did not like marrying Christians because he said that how can you stop her from eating pork and drinking wine when the Quran allows them to do it. So you have no authority to say that and therefore it is very likely that your children growing up in the same house will just be consuming pork and drinking wine. So he said I don't like this you know marrying uh this marrying women from the book because of these issues.

So that just yeah so this crosscontamination I think is just an OCD version of you know people getting very OCD on it that's all right I hope that >> and and the and the original point where if it's a predominantly Christian country like we like England and Australia is we can trust that the BA is I don't know a Christian or a Catholic is that okay or do we have to investigate further >> so that there is a difference of opinion on so yeah >> there's many people who would say that look we're not going to accept that we're only going to go with zaba >> zabat is the slaughtered by Muslims in

what we call the halal way this I mean the word for it technically we call it halal but it wasn't called halal back in the Quran or the this is a word we've recently used in I think it's more popular from the Indosak subcontinent so we use the word halal to mean what is in Arabic called the bham So now that meat so according to yeah so there's this understanding that only the beat is going to be the one that's permissible and this other meat is not permissible then there is a view that look if you live in a day and age where

you live in a kind of Christian country even if it's nominally Christian um there so they're not practicing Christian but they it's like saying look Muslim countries today you know what what do we consider practicing Muslim like obviously you people are going to say Saudi but you know there's like 50 plus Muslim countries in the world many of whom like are very secular like you know like let's say you go to Albania or Bosnia um now these countries will be ostensibly secular like they're not going to look like let's say Saudi Arabia they're not going to look like that or even if you went to Turkey it

looks very you know can very modern parts of Turkey can. So, so according to that argument that look even if the country is nominally Christian then the meat is halal in that country. Now that's another view. Uh and and some people do follow that and including I think the copies popularly follow that as well. So they do say like eating in the UK, eating let's say I mean nowadays we've boycotted McDonald's uh but let's say when people hadn't uh they would say oh eating from McDonald's was halal because you know it's the you

know the land is a Christian country UK is a Christian country. Then there is another argument that is a bit different to that but ties into that kind of uh category of saying that it's it's permissible to eat and that is that even if it's or that it may be makaru to eat but not haram or slightly different a bit more nuanced and that is saying that really the reason for the beam was because other people were offering to false gods.

So you were in essence offering to Allah. But what h what comes of or what of this point when people in the world stop offering meat to gods? So like today the world people don't generally offer their meat to gods anymore. They just kill the animal. So what then? Because the the began in a time when everybody in the world didn't just kill meat.

They offered it to false gods. So Islam made a point that it had to be offered only to Allah. And then this point came that well you know it's a very famous masah that what if a person forgets to say while slaughtering the animal and the hadith of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam was when the person came and he said I forgot to say Allah's name when I slaughtered him. But the prophet said but you are a Muslim and he said yes.

And the prophet said then say bismillah and eat. And so the reason being is because even though he didn't say Allahbar and offer it to Allah but he didn't offer it to a false god and he himself believed in God. So this is what the Shafy and the Salafia for example promote that hadith heavily. So well this argument would say that well because people have stopped offering meat to gods.

Therefore uh it is better still to eat the beha meat which is meat offered to Allah. But if you ate this meat which is not offered to any god and people don't even really believe in god but they just killed the animal for meat then that meat would not be haram but it might just be makaru like discouraged. So there's that view as well.

So so these are the kind of views. So these views do exist all of them uh from you know from the haram to it's permissible to it. Thank you very much. >> Thank you so much. >> Take care of yourself and people. Fad uh always a pleasure having him on the show from down under Allahbar.

Somebody asking about how to join. Well, I shared the link how to join. Did you not see it? I'll share it again. And somebody's saying, "Yeah, so uh I'm Bosnian. halal food options. Bosnia widespread is absolutely you know the example I was giving of Bosnia or Albania was not that halal food is not widespread but what I was trying to say is that you see people like you might take certain countries that like what do we consider some people might have a view that oh a Muslim country is like a like Saudi

Arabia everybody's like walking around in these thes and and the Muslim world is not necessarily like that. It's very colorful. And I'm giving the example that somebody might see a country like Albania or Bosnia and they might think oh from outwardly that it looks very just modern and may even look somewhat secular but by secular I mean very modern and um but they are still Muslim.

That was my point of saying not in a bad way. I was just saying in a descriptive way or like Turkey, you might take some parts of Turkey and think, "Oh, these people just, you know, it's like you might just think you're in Europe. It looks very similar." I mean, Turkey, I guess, is part of Europe. So, but they are still Muslim. That was my point. Yeah, they do.

In Bosnia, I believe they're Hanafi Han, I believe. Right. Who do we have here? Whoa, we've got a lot of people. Let's bring on. Okay, Ahmed Aeanalam allayikum. Hello. >> All right, Ahmed, >> can you can you hear me? >> I can. Where are you joining us from?

>> I'm join from Egypt. >> Allah. Allahab. Allah from M the blessed holy land. >> Yeah. Allah, what a beautiful place. Mashallah. >> It's such an honor to be with you. Like I've been such a big fan of yours. You have really changed the way I see Islam. Like since I started following you since a year and a half. Like I feel like the way I see Islam 180 degrees different.

>> Oh wow. I'm very very honored and humbled by that. you know, you're from a land of and tradition and but honestly I it really touches my heart. Allah keep you always blessed and smiling. Amen. >> Yeah. If there's anything you'd like to share with us, any thoughts, any discussion or anything on your >> I had like two questions. Um first one um relates to um the idea that you talked about in the beginning of not super imposing your opinions on others.

Um because I feel like in Egypt when I started becoming religious at the age of 19 um unfortunately the movement is the one that is predominant here. They are the ones. >> Do you think so? In Egypt, Salafi movement, don't >> Yeah. Yeah. They are very they are really leading the way especially in the media. There is a new wave of healthy young young creatures who are really leading the wave right now >> like a kind of you know the mis or the aar you know the >> no no like even even among Muslims here who aren't really adhering to the religion they view the as very

suspicious they view it as very secular >> like even like I've met a lot of people who don't even pray the five the five prayers and they >> assume that anything that comes out of that if they're just um pure hypocrisy and that that movements are like they listen to music, go out on dates and do everything. They may even drink alcohol, but they still they tell you that music is haram.

>> Wow. Okay, that's really interesting to learn that. Wow. >> Yeah. So, I was kind of swept up in that movement. Um, and it got to a point where it became too rigid for me. Especially I consider myself somewhat of a critical thinker and >> it doesn't really hold up. So you were really such like like a rope s from Allah. Like I feel like if you weren't if I hadn't known you, I feel like I would have been stuck in a really really bad place because I had gotten to a point where I felt like angry with God himself because it felt like religion was unreasonable >> and but I feel like the issue right now

is the idea of superimposing the because right here like the superimposition of opinions is so prevalent and there aren't many voices like you around here in the Arab world. So you kind of like you always have this questioning thought in your head like what if I'm the one who's wrong and what if I'm just going to be sent straight to hell and I always >> Yeah. And I always wondered like how you like I feel like maybe through your young years you probably went through a similar struggles.

I I was always curious about that as well. >> Yeah. I uh you know in my early years uh you know previously in some of my shows uh many years ago I discussed at length that look when I was younger uh in fact in my late teens when I started becoming what people would say you know very religious like multism in that sense practicing or I very quickly uh adhered to what was a very kind of like a super strict aesthetic uh outlook on the almost a very

puritanist outlook on the dean because I guess this is what was I don't know I guess there's a number of reasons one you see that this was being fed to me but to be fair there were other voices present as well so it's not that this was the only thing but I think another reason we latch on to it is there is almost a primord assessment that we assume that because these people are being more harsh against their desires and more sacrificial, they're sacrificing that somehow this must be more authentic.

There's almost like a a priori way of looking at that that we think you know that oh this guy is doing so much sacrifice so he must be upon the huck whereas that guy's just chilling and you know oh he's saying he can you can listen to music or he's saying but this guy's giving up everything surely that sounds like the dean to me so I you know at that time had a very very aesthetic strict outlook on the dean I uh would do things like I considered music haram.

I considered TV haram. I considered any kind of things like that. I even considered small luxuries like uh upon myself like almost haram like maybe not on other people but I for example even sleeping on a mattress I would think is somehow indulging in the you know the luxuries of this dunya and therefore I would just sleep on the floor.

I would just have a sleeping bag and sleep on the floor. I wouldn't sleep even on my mattress. I would like I went through this kind of zud this uh abstinence of the dunya and and this is why and I don't regret going through that but and I'm very grateful that I went through it at a very young age where it's almost very forgivable by people that you're like that because I think when I was like that I was I think very um unwelcoming to other people around me because maybe in my weird way, I was looking down upon them.

Maybe I didn't think I was looking down upon them because I thought, you know, it's for the sake of Allah, but I was looking down upon them. I was somehow thinking I'm better because I, you know, don't indulge in these things and these people are all engaging in haram and I was very critical of people almost like you know somehow justifying my own thing like ah like I do this and and I guess because I was young people just ignored it you know like you're and I'm grateful that it was that age and not this age where you can damage not only your own life but cause a lot of harm to people.

Whereas when you're a kid, you know, your harm is mitigated. You don't have that much. Your locus of influence is restricted. So yeah, so that's that. I don't think look as to this thought that you know, am I just wrong and Allah is going to punish me and all of these things. Look, that's not how Allah is like, you know, that we picture, you know, there's almost like an infantilization of Allah, that we picture Allah to be some kind of like like we treat him as if we're

treating an infant Allah, but this we don't intend to, but that's how we treat him. So, we act as if, oh, I I get it. Like, I understand where you're coming from, but Allah won't get it. Do you understand? Like, of course, I know where you're coming from, but Allah is not going to get it. Allah is not an infant. Like, if we think we're mature enough to understand the nuances, Allah is infinitely much more understanding.

And so, it's silly. And this thing of like this obsession with Allah punishing us, it's a very Christian way of looking at the world. And unfortunately, it's something that's very widespread throughout the Muslim world as well. And it's an easy way to spread. You see, an easy way to make people religious is to frighten them.

That's the easiest of all ways. Look, just look how, you know, this thing of infantilizing. Take it back to bring raising kids. What's the easiest way to set in rules with kids to frighten them? Oh, if you don't do this, watch, you know, your dad's going to beat you up or this is going to happen or that's going to happen or you're going to get in trouble or a monster is going to come and get you.

You like what do a lot of parents frighten their kids to sleep? They frighten the kids. Watch this monster's coming or this is happening. Oh, that animal's going to come and take you or watch, you're going to get in trouble. Why? Because fear is effective like we it's it's the easiest or the most it's the path of least resistance to assert efficient control over people is to frighten them.

The other ways that you make them understand something, you cultivate love, you cultivate um gratitude like for example the child doesn't fear his father but the child doesn't want his father to be disappointed in him or her. This is a much higher level of therapy. This takes effort. This is really hard to do like making the kids feel that oh well if I do this my parents are going to be disappointed.

I don't want to disappoint them. That takes a hell of a lot of effort. It's much easier to tell them you're going to get in so much trouble they're going to break your bones. Like that is much easier and a quicker route. And that is the same MMO modus operandi that the preachers use on the public. Oh, if you don't do this, Allah is going to burn you in hell. Right? Because it's the easy way that we infantilize the topic.

We treat it just like infants. We treat the public like that as well. Like we treat the public as if they are dumb and and then unfortunately you know dumb they become because that's how you treat them. So yeah but I do accept it is an effective way to get quick change. The other way is hard and long- winded to to do to nurture a community.

>> Yeah. I was going to ask you like don't you think that fear sometimes is indeed needed? >> It is and this is why it's highly effective because it's it is the easiest is the path of least resistance because you frighten a people you can control them. Look governments are doing it right now. You know the rise of right-wing uh politics throughout the world is on the back of fear.

They are frightening the people because when you frighten somebody, you can control them. You see, you frighten the public now. You can bring in legislation. You can bring in things. Everybody's frightened. You frighten the world about, oh, immigrants are coming. This is happening. That's happening. They get scared. Oh, people are, you know, they're killing, they're stealing, they're raping, they're doing this. Oh my god. Oh my god. And now you bring in legislation.

You bring in powers. you bring it because you can control people if you can frighten them. It's this is like an it's like it's a fact of human nature. So, and it works in animals as well. It's not just humans. So, yeah. So, this is it's nothing different that a lot of preachers do with Islam because it's effective. It works and they believe in it. Sure. Like I get it that the a lot of these people I'm not saying they are trying to manipulate people because many of these preachers some probably don't but many of them believe in this as

well. See they have this very um you know what is like a warped view of God that Allah is just there about Allah just want you know that like they treat Allah as if he's like a it's not but this is how they treat him or this is how they depict him as if he is a benevolent tyrant or a benevolent dictator that's a better way like a benevolent dictator.

that he he has mercy but you know if he if he loses it he's going to just kill everyone like this is how they treat all like this is how they give the image and the picture of God that he's a benevolent dictator that he's commanded you to do this you better do it because maybe he might show mercy but if he doesn't he's going to heads are going to roll but the truth is Allah you know Allah is above you know what they depict him as and you know that they have underestimated God as

Allah says in the Quran. >> Yeah. I feel like this leads to the second point I want to ask you about which is like if we remove the fear factor from from preaching and allow people in a more nurturing environment. >> Yeah. I feel like where do we put the guard rails on critical thinking? Because I feel like listening to your videos had really widened my view on the views inside of Islam and what is permissible and not permissible.

But I feel like it also got me to a point where I started wondering like what prevents attack the for example from saying well that is my viewpoint of Islam and that is how I read Islam and you can't really there is no like what is the guardrail that prevents such interpretations >> you see I feel that we can't prevent people from having their own interpretations like people will have all kinds of interpretations somebody might have a very puritanical puritanist interpretation of Islam like they do like a lot of the Salopia do and um somebody might have an extremist

interpretation of Islam that you know you can go around killing people if they're non-Muslim or some people might have that I mean we can't physically prevent people from understanding or misunderstanding the Quran because people will misunders people will have their understanding of it often we you see We I feel that to some extent not in everything but to some extent the Quran is a mirror and what you bring to it it mirrors back to you the kind of by this I mean almost the attitude of it.

So if you are a person who brings a lot of you're a controlling person, you're somebody that's very uh you know you you micromanage people around you, you're very you will see these things when you read the Quran, but really you're seeing what is in yourself being mirrored back to you. And it's just a confirmation bias for you.

And if you come to the Quran with openness and love and compassion then you'll see that being mirrored back to you. So you know so now that this this so so this thing here and you know and in that sense al one one of the al-mmin could be the name of Allah and so the so so we can't stop people from interpreting however they want to interpret it.

What we would do is we would just present our interpretation in saying look sure that's how you understand it but this is how we understand what Allah is saying and you know we I'm not trying to like I do believe that we can't force people to to you know to we can't control thought and we're not trying to control thought. We're not trying to say, you know, nobody's allowed to think a different opinion cuz that's that's a kind of um, you know, like a dictatorial um, draconian world that we're not

trying to Islam hasn't come for that world. You know, the Quran says if Allah had wished, everybody would have embraced. But Allah allowed people to disagree. Even disagree with Islam to disagree with Allah. Allah allowed it. So who are we to say well people are not allowed to disagree. They they are. So I wouldn't voice or argue for having just one way of reading things. People are different.

So let them just be different. We would just say well this is how we would present our voice and then you know whoever wants whoever this makes sense to alhamdulillah if it doesn't make sense to you okay you know fine you know there's no there's >> uh can I just ask one last question or would it be much then we'll do a last one we'll keep it a bit uh brief there are a few people waiting >> okay uh one last thing I sometimes had doubt about with regards to salah which is like if if God knew that most Muslims wouldn't be able to keep up the five times prayer a day, wouldn't that just

make it impractical >> in a sense? [snorts] >> You see this this topic of salah salah is like the pillar of Islam. It is like a the thing that holds up the tent. I guess it is like a lifeline or something that allows us to be tethered to uh to the faith as a pulsing pulsating something that is alive.

Now Allah has laid out five salas in a day. You're right knowing that most of the Muslim world will never fulfill five salas in a day. However, they have something to aspire to always. Like sometimes the aim must always be much higher than most people will always do or achieve.

and and I to well I I guess at least if they have the aspiration in their heart or they have some value for that in their heart which most people do then maybe that you know is very meaningful and yeah so it doesn't so for people who do perform the five prayers it will give they will reap immense benefits but for other people it will always serve as a kind of you know something that even even if it's um you know just in like [clears throat] for lack of a better

term even if it's just wishful thinking but it's a an aspiration that they might have that oh yeah you know it's very I would like to do that pray five times a day so it becomes a even if it's a wishful thinking aspiration but it holds value in their hearts but It's something that unifies people. So I think it is very powerful.

Obviously there are certain questions to be asked. You know there's there's a well I don't know if there's questions to be asked but there's a there's a there's a very hard and difficult conversation that may or may not be you know may or may not need to be had. I don't know. But it is a conversation that exists that this whole culture of punishing around salah.

Where did this really come from? Because it's not in the Quran. Uh this whole thing of and it doesn't really make much sense from that perspective of worship that how could you be forced to worship because then the worship would have no gratitude. You know, if I like because it's kind of ironic. If I say I compel you to be grateful, then that's not gratitude.

You know, if I say I force you to love me, then h how then surely you don't love me because I'm forcing you to love me. But isn't it kind of kind of implied in the Quran with verses like isn't it kind of >> the verse that says >> you see like it goes on like if you carry on right so it's not just uh that you know so in these two three verses

like you're going say now in this verse and in another verse you're going to see uh >> yeah I was going to mention that one we are not from those who prayed and we were not from those who fed the poor

and we were with those who created mischief and trouble will be your and we never believed in an afterlife. Anyway, you see, so the salah thing here, is that really the reason? Because they're saying, "Oh, we never used to feed people. Is that not a bigger reason? What about creating the mischief and trouble? What about denying the afterlife and not believing in any of these things?" So there isn't a single verse.

Salah is spoken about a lot in the Quran. And if it was something that was so clear that it was going to be punished, then how does Allah never mentioned it? And how could he say things like that? Pray to Allah with a sincere heart cuz how can you be sincere if you're being threatened to do it?

Like it doesn't make any like that. But this is a very hard conversation to be had that you couldn't like if I said to you if you don't love me I'm going to smash your head in with this baseball bat. That can't like it does like that now negates any concept of love. So anything you now do cannot be meaningfully expressed as love because I've especially if I was being serious like if I was being serious here and I had that we are going to you know physically

do so much damage to you unless you love me like what does that even mean? Unless you are grateful to me right now, I'm going to, you know, do this and I'm going to shoot you in your legs. Let's say now even like let's say you start saying, "Oh yeah, I I really appreciate you by the way." Oh my god, I appreciate you so much.

Trust me, you are like, "Wow, you know what? Wow, you are just you're an amazing Can I believe you to be sincere?" >> Of course not. Yeah. >> Exactly. Now, so this is an irony. So this is a I feel a conversation maybe many people >> but what about like last thing the hadith that says like I'm not I don't think that I remember the phrase correctly but like make kids pray at seven and with >> no so that is no so that is a hadith more speaking about teaching discipline to your kids.

Yeah. Like like for example, imagine you as a person took let's say you took jogging very seriously or something. Now you in fact today I read this sorry not today yesterday I read this social media post and it said that when I was a young boy my dad would wake me up every morning 6:00 a.m. to go on a run. And he said and I hated him. And he made me do that for six years.

And he said, "And I hated him with all my heart that as soon as I turned 18," he said, "I left home and I never looked back and I never spoke to my dad." And he says, "Until I was 29," he says, "I suddenly," he says, "I sent a note to my dad or something out of the blue." He says, "I turned up and I left this note there, and it said that I hated you for waking me up at 6:00 a.m.

and making me jog." Said that there was nothing more that I resented, that you were against my rest. You were against my sleep. And he says, "And I left and I did not even think of ever contacting you because of my hatred until he said, "At this age, I was hit with this calamity in life." And I realized that you weren't waking me up to run every morning.

You were waking me up to teach me that even when it gets hard, you can keep going. And he said, "When I made it through this, I realized I appreciated you." And so, you see, teaching your kids salah is to teach them discipline. Is to teach them to tether them to God.

Now, maybe they won't pray or maybe they will pray or maybe they'll come back to it at a later time in life. That's not the same as to do with the punishment surrounding salah. That's a different topic. So I do feel that of course like teaching your kids salah is very important and it's you know because you can't like some things to kids they're taught as practices and then as they mature they learn deeper meanings to them and that's understandable just like any art just as you know if you're teaching your kids something they're not going to you're not going to first of all teach them the philosophy or the

gratitude behind it they they're going to probably as kids they because they just want to sit around playing all day. They don't want to do something. So to me, that's very different and very reasonable to teach your kids discipline. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Thank you. This has been such an amazing it feels like a fever dream talking to you actually. Thank you.

>> Bless you. Honestly, your words are they really really do mean a lot to me. >> I hope you can come to Egypt one day. >> I will. I will. I have been to Egypt in the past and I will in China. >> Definitely. I'll uh Where are you? Cairo is >> No. Do Do you know the city of Tampa? >> Which one? Tampa. Oh, wow. >> Oh, Ta. Tawi. Oh, >> yeah. Yeah. You're not right.

Famous. >> You know what? Message me on Instagram. We'll stay in touch. Inshallah. >> Okay. >> We'll stay connect. Allah bless you. Take care of yourself.Alam, Alam allayikum people right that was Ahmed from Tanta right all the way from the blessed land of the shall I say the civilizations and the great pyramids Allah and the land of prophets Allah Allah who do we have here fazalam allayikum >> how are you >> all right I'm good where are you joining us from faz as a fashion an icon that I

can see. >> We're having Allah. We're having stud after stud appear on the show today with the fashion symbolism. I love it. I love it. >> We are all reflections. So yeah, it's you can take that on yourself. [laughter] >> Allah Allah. So fast.

Yeah. Mashallah. What city are you from? Uh, so I'm down south in sorry. >> Oh, sorry. Allah. Yeah. So faz, what's on your precious mind? Share some thoughts. >> I've had a lot of experiences. >> Um, I've had a number of out of body experiences. I remember >> um since growing up I've had experiences where I've been out of my body.

Uh for example, once where I was at uni and I remember we had a is actually we had a uh we organized a kind of debate proof of God actually. >> Okay. Mhm. >> Very very strange. Um, at the end of the night, me and my friend Ahmed, we were just uh talking and it's about 12:30.

I got on the train. >> Yeah. >> And, um, really, really tired. Really tired. So, um, I kind of just fell asleep like this. And then I remember seeing the train go by. Mhm. >> my body as well. And then I thought of Ahmed and instantly I was in the library and there's books behind him.

There's like a blue chair next to him and I thought well I didn't think I was simply like observing. >> Yeah. And um uh I I think something moved in his environment and instantly I was back in my body. And then I was like, of course I'm taking it back. But I called him up and I said, um uh Ahmed, where are you right now?

He goes, why why why? I go, no, just just tell me where you are. He goes, "I'm just in the library doing some um finishing some coursework." And um I said, "Are there books behind you in a blue chair?" He goes, "Yeah, why?" I just hung up. All right. No, thank you. Uh but I think as um Muslims often we interpretate reality through the human senses which have since Adam

they've gone downhill almost like the many strands of our DNA which are broken broken down whether it's uh due to abusing the bodies through having bad foods, bad air, bad everything. Um I I think when we connect with the R of this planet through its many one can s simply sit with it, one can meditate with it, one I do a lot of breath work as well.

So through a lot of breath work experiences >> and especially if one connects to plant medicines. Um >> yeah, >> they can experience more than themsel. I I've I've often contemplated what does this mean when Allah says when my servant uh thinks of uh me

>> that I mention him? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Allah. So I I've often thought of this. So does what we as a human species what we think does it dictate what Allah is? though I've thought of this much much much much and the conclusion I've come to is yes but also it's not that we think and it is all already exists including

um the beyond and the mystery so if we think English is a very um it's a very interesting language uh I Colonialism was much done by the English language rather than any particular religion because that cause >> the interpretation of um but in with Allah there's no deceit.

It's like the all and the ah the beyond. No matter what you can think that is still beyond >> so Allah is so much beyond and I think uh I've often thought of this as well what is this the final message and I've thought of it and I've grown up you know in the kind of intellectual proof of God the But I found that it's very much limited

by linear time where we say oh 1,400 years ago so that's this is why because this is the last prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam it's not that this is not the case it's this is limited by li linear time >> if we step out of time it the final message is simply once you know you cannot [clears throat] unknow it's so much beyond it's every reality uh so even without time it is >> yeah yeah >> once you know you cannot unknow and this

is the final message it's beyond anything that the lips can mention because >> yeah ineffable it's can it cannot be trapped in words the ineffability of it wow no shukran faz I really appreci appreciate you sharing that uh experience, sharing these thoughts, your articulation of this feeling of this experience of this uh that trip and the meaning that you've felt and taken or that's been visited

upon you by that experience. So, Shukran Shukran for sharing that. Allah keep you blessed. Mashallah. >> May I ask uh how are you? >> I'm good. Allah be praised. [laughter] I'm good. I'm good. Allah be praised, man. Um >> yeah I think um yeah you know things are things are good and you know if we I think we have to really in life as it is um learn to always always just see goodness as much as we can and it's it's

a it's an it's a it's like an attitudinal trait. It's like a muscle. we can work it and develop it. And um and another thing I do feel that as we age I find that the you know like good company it is just priceless honestly and I feel that having a like a very close circle of friends people that are very like a band of

brothers if you like that you're very close with that you have these I I feel that's also something deeply invaluable and becomes much more priceless [clears throat] as we age just being able to kind of have that and uh very you know as let's say frequently to be in the company to share thoughts have conversations dialogues laughter just things I think This in itself is a uh blessing of this dunya.

It's so yeah that's it really. Other than that just going through >> may I share another um so I've uh come across the the why of the creation. So >> okay >> it's it's um >> it's very much given by all the prophets.

>> Okay. >> It's remembrance. Mhm. >> Um because Allah says what we think is >> Yeah. >> So when we think out of time these realities all exist and beyond.

>> Yeah. But within time when we think of remembrance we create every reality of forgetfulness to get to remembrance. >> Okay. So in the all of and the beyond is yes it is all connected uh very much like this um quantum >> it's like superp positions almost >> and aian kind of world

>> it's like the uh spectrum of the whole uh frequency and beyond what we can comprehend all exist [clears throat] and within those frequencies there's every reflect like whatever that frequency contains and is made of. >> Yeah. >> It expresses in all of those expressions.

Uh I believe um well I don't believe uh the human is very much the best of creation because in this kind of construct there's many realms and the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam when he ascended he visited these many realms >> and I I recall at the battle of uh I think it was bad where >> some sahhabi were they were talking

about some stranges in the sky >> and the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam um I can't recall the details but um I believe he interrupted and said >> those were the angels from the third realm or third heaven so it's funny that in he was desri describe the level. So within different >> like dimensions >> every realm creates has infinite dimensions but >> of course yeah yeah

>> yeah yeah I don't want to go into the nature reality >> no mashallah no I really appreciate that shukran Allah keep you blessed >> and you know do uh yeah no do stay connected as well uh There's quite a few people on here. So, just to running a bit low on time, so just to squeeze in one to a few others, >> right, Faz Shukran for sharing that with us.

Allah keep you blessed. Take care of yourself. Salamu alaykum people. That was Faz joining us from uh Surrey in the UK. Allah Allah. All right, who do we Let's see who do we have here. some of the All right, we have Beck Balamikum. Can Can you hear me?

Well, >> yeah. And we can see you as well in that joyous smile of yours. Yeah, [laughter] what a smile. >> So radiant. Mashallah. >> Yes. Thank you. I I I really want to thank you first like as Ahmed said like from Egypt like you you I think you've changed many people's lives uh in the like I'm one of them.

Uh it's like really I started watching your your videos uh like November of last year. It was it was >> very how to say the interesting moments of my life like I I discovered Islam from from different perspective like my uh how to say my knowledge to Islam.

I mean I'm already layman like I uh like but yeah uh I'm just thankful and uh uh I was also uh very judgmental um before before seeing your videos uh I had this kind of also OCD you know always thinking about things and uh but uh after watching your videos I became more chill I think my this radiation came Yeah.

Like also this Yeah. Like saying like how to say pure pure monotheism like no no evil eye or some kind of magic things like you just don't think >> superstition away from superstition kind of. >> Yeah. Yeah. Like no attachment to anything like and I think it also helped me to find a job.

I'm I'm an I >> engineer. I I I develop uh applications for mobile apps. I mean I I can do most of the time. I mean web apps every any app but mostly do for mobile apps. Yeah. It also like learning from your videos helped me uh like free free of yeah free of context from my mind. I just understood that everything most of the things are very simple in Islam and I just have to focus on my work and yeah just don't harm anyone like pray five times a day.

Yeah, very grateful. Uh also I I think I found all of the questions. I mean answers to my all of questions like I can't ask any question from you like I can just I can just go through patterns what you told on all of those videos and I can get >> my answer like immediately. I don't know it's always simple. Thank you.

>> I'm I'm honestly I'm really deeply touched. Allah bless you. Uh, Beckb and is that is that how we say? >> Yes. Yes. Beckb. Yeah. Yeah. That's correct. Yeah. >> And uh, yeah. Honestly, I'm really shook for sharing that. And yeah, you know, it's it's it's very surreal in a way for even me because I do think sometimes like, wow, like people say like you saying that to me feels like amazing and surreal at the same time because it's like wow really like I've had [laughter] that impact

like you do think to yourself that wow like how but it's at the at the same time it's very uh rewarding to hear that like I do think subhan Allah like if that has you know that it's done that that it's removed superstition from people's lives stopped them being all oh my god this is going to happen to me that's going to happen to me um >> yeah and it's brought n to your face you got a radiant I can't even picture such a nurani face being judgmental yeah it wouldn't suit you to be judgmental >> I judgmental I forgot to ask where are you calling Where are you from?

>> Al Kazakhstan. Kazakistan. >> Kazakhstan. Ah. Oh, there was a comment in here today saying, "Oh, would you come to Kazakhstan?" Was that you? >> All right. >> Yes, of course. I'll come around one of the time, man. We should We should check out these countries. I mean I mean >> is that the place where they're always >> you know there's some uh clips that go viral where they like go to the mountains and they take this meat and they cooking all these steaks and laying out these rugs.

Is that is it Kazakistan? It is >> my my city. Yeah. Mountains in Al Mat. Yeah. Near Al country. >> All right. Mashallah. Sounds like a plan. >> Yeah. It's it's the from the word alma. It's apple. Like uh most of the like apples originated from this place like from ancient times >> like worldwide they >> ala.

From alma means apple. Yeah. >> Alma. Wow. Alma also I mean I guess in Spanish and Latin origin means the soul >> which is interesting. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, okay. So, >> right. Wow. See? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fire away. Fire away.

>> Yeah. Well, one question. I mean, I I always open Instagram to watch the stories of yours. If you reposted something, I don't know. [laughter] My stories are usually all over the Sometimes I'll post a joke, sometimes I'll post a secret article, sometimes I'll post like some medical research, sometimes I post like uh you know just just something ridiculously stupidly funny, you know?

It's a mishmash. My stories are like I don't know. I always think what do people think? [laughter] Because one moment they're probably really serious and then there's like a ridiculous uh like a meme or something funny and stupid and Yeah. >> Yeah. One of the reports I've seen from from you, it was like someone is talking about even abidin I think like he he he he has he had the religion of the most is like he told that you can choose the fatwas of like most of the

time we were told that we can't do fatwa shopping kind of thing like we can't do >> but he was like opposite of it like he said know it's much better to to do that and you reposted or you liked it. I seen that and >> I've been thinking oh like like most of the like Kazak people I mean I think central Asia we are mostly hafi >> and yeah but I how to say I hold your views as hafi mostly and uh like are we sparking a revolution in Kazakhstan?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] Just that the the one thing is that I can't talk about religion because I don't have uh how to say uh uh license like to talk about religion. You can get Yeah. authority. You can get jailed for >> No way. Are they Are they strict? They're very strict in Kazakhstan. >> Yeah. We are very strict. Like you can't you can't preach if you're not if you have to be an imam.

have to have this license. >> Oh wow. >> Like given by we're very strict in that matter. Uh if if it was it would be like in America like free speech I would I would translate all of your videos into KZ. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> So my question is can I be like half Hanfi half Maliki? Like I I still like Hanfi.

Yeah. Don't worry about it. It's all good. Yeah, half you can be half on this caravan. Don't worry, we'll we'll send you in as a like a a crypto hidden Maliki and then you could >> you [laughter] can infiltrate from within. >> Yeah. Yeah. I also was in Oman like they I think also Malik. >> So in Oman I don't think they're Malik but they pray like the Malika like they pray with their arms on the side and >> Yeah.

So yeah they they do that. Oman. Yes. Once again, very like a nice peaceful kind of place as well. So, okay. Kazakistan. What's the capital of Kazakhstan? >> It's Astana. Aana. >> Aana. Aana. >> Wow. Yeah. Kazakan. >> Yeah. It's like the problem is we can't get a visa to enter England, but you can come, I think.

>> Okay. We Yeah, we should be able to people. We got to We got to host. We got to set up something where it's going to be in Kazakhstan. >> We can set up those stakes and cigars. Do are they into cigars? Tell me into cigars. >> Yeah. Yeah, I'm into cigars. I I I've been I've been watching Andrew Tate and most of the time I always wanted to smoke a cigar. I I still didn't thought that it was kind of forbidden.

Then then I watch videos. >> It's a sacred thing. Yeah, very just in Kazakhstan. They are very expensive because of the tax. >> Yeah, they're expensive everywhere. Unfortunately, you know, they've >> highly uh especially in the UK they're ridiculously expensive. >> Um in some countries they're much cheaper like uh in parts of Europe it's cheap like Spain is much cheaper.

Uh Netherlands is actually quite cheap, very cheap. America is ridiculously cheap for CR. >> $5. It's like almost >> like I watched YouTube like let's say this is an Oliver. This one's a Siri Theory O. Uh but like you could get for example like let's say in in the States these probably go like sometimes like maybe I don't know $10, $11, $12.

Here they'll be like >> $30 for one, 28 for one. uh you know sometimes maybe more depending obviously if it's Cuban then obviously 50 60 70 pound for one but otherwise yeah they're hyperinflated but from Europe you can get them much cheaper >> much cheaper okay so Kazak is that so you're >> into V I mostly smoke Alec Bradley >> Alec Bradley is yeah yeah they are Nicaraguan you can't beat Nicaraguan See, once you've gone Nicaragua and that's it.

It's difficult going back to something else. >> Yeah. It's it's like after watching your videos, you'll never come back. >> Yeah. You just cannot, you know, there there I tell you there is a Nicaraguan. I mean, there's so many, but like some hard-hitting. I tell you, you know, AJ Fernandez, they do a few uh like one's called New World, one's called Sun Lanos.

Very Nicaraguan. I mean they they have a bit of a blend but Nicaraguan in there very you know the last third will have you in a stone where you are >> reflective you're philosophical you're in a mam that's it it's like I can't you know I can't picture now any meaningful deep conversation in life without a cigar like I would think like imagine you had to have a very critical or a deep level meeting or converse dialogue or it needs a cigar like what else like that like you need to get into that zone where now you're on that mam that

wavelength now we can talk withensive insight >> I've heard that Winston Churchill had this like he always had this long cigar and everyone have been waiting for 20 minutes so this how it's called when you smoke and the ash could fall ash wouldn't fall. He was sly. So, you know, he had this thing where he was doing it to assert like almost dominance because you know when you you're smoking the cigar and it's holding a lot of ash.

>> So, that person is almost like the ash king, you know, like if we're all smash on there, it's like a right. So, >> now the ash after a certain point is going to fall. But they say, you know what Churchill would do is he would insert like a long pin, like a metal pin inside, >> and the pin would hold the ash longer, so his ash wouldn't fall.

>> So other people around him didn't know he had that pin inside. So he would obviously smoke away. He would do this on purpose to kind of have this kind of like aura in front of others that you know [laughter] >> but obviously that >> yes I mean he he has obviously contributed to cigars to the extent that now one of the sizes Churchill is always named after Churchill.

>> Yeah. What else other than an Alec Bradley? Alec Bradley's all right. They're all right. I >> I I mean I started only in April May. Um I I found it in Dubai. It's project 40. This is it was given by the concierge or who who >> Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know when when we do meet back I will bring you some premium cigars. I'm going [laughter] to bring some >> solid cigars.

Yeah. >> I have a whole I have a whole humidor by the way. I love I can't get enough of uh cigars. You know, there is a I tell you there's a brand that's not so well known. Um I think I think it's the brand itself. I think it's Ventura, something like this. But they make this cigar called Psycho7.

Spell it like P S Y K O. Psycho7. The blue one, the Nicaraguan one. That entire cigar is a mam that you are just it's whoa. that is like you are ready to to deep life philosophy everything you're ready this is like borderline psychedelic you're going in it's it's not actually necessarily such an expensive or premium it's just mid-range but it is a very there have been very few cigars that have been so hitting in that way as the cycle 7 um

it's a long it's like a I think that's why the seven I think it's like a seven inch um Churchill uh although I think it's slightly uh ring gauge is slightly larger but >> yeah there is this is a world onto itself and I feel that even these things honestly I feel there is a shifa in these things that there is you know research shows I feel a lot of people are a bit brainwashed when it comes to because they don't >> they don't know so they compare cigars to cigarettes.

Cigarettes are horrible, toxic, dangerous. Cigars are nothing like that because cigars are mostly any reasonable cigars mostly organic. It's taken something like 3 to 5 years to make a single cigar. >> Whereas, >> yeah, at least. And you know, some much more. And cigarettes are churned over in the minutes. They have like very just cheap tobacco in them.

They have refined, you know, chemical processes, a lot of additives. >> They're like energy drinks as a like coffees. Yes. And they are like, you see, a cigarette is something they're very addictive and they and the whole purpose of them is to get a fix. Like people are like, I need a fix. I need a fix. >> Cigars are nothing like that. Cigars are to put you in a zone of thought.

where you lower your consciousness into deep pensive philosophical thinking. They take an hour to smoke. They are best enjoyed in great company with somebody else. They bring people to you don't ever ga gasp for oh I need a cigar. I need a cigar. >> You cannot be addicted to >> it never happens. You can't be addicted to them in that way. Like sure, look, nicotine might have some subtle addictive property in the way in the way that caffeine has because nicotine is a noatropic.

It's something that does it sharpens the brain and it adds to these things just as caffeine does. >> But in cigarettes, there's something like 16 additives which they call pyroines as well, which are very dangerous. So they have a very different effect and they're trying to make you addicted to cigarettes so you keep buying them. Now a cigar is a totally you know and one of the studies was showing the smoke is more alkaline.

It's not acidic and >> you shared it in your stories. >> Yeah. Yeah. And it shows that uh for example studies show that even if like let's say a person smoked up to three to four cigars a day when contrasted it was as negligible as somebody who didn't smoke. And because people don't realize you don't inhale the smoke for a cigar you know it's not like a cigarette you don't take it into the lungs.

And the other thing was one study showed that people who smoked cigars lived longer >> than people who did not smoke. >> And that was a fascinating study because that kind of was like, well, wait, what the hell's going on here? >> And it's probably because they're so in this zone of reflective relaxation and thought that they live longer. >> So, I think because of low low cortisol like >> and it raises testosterone levels.

you know, people have much higher testosterone levels when they >> uh smoke a cigar. And and you know, to the people of the like South American culture, the tobacco plant is a sacred plant. It's considered it's part of plant medicine. And what people don't realize is, you see, it's called the solenacy family in plants.

It is part of the same family as uh tomatoes, >> or jeans, potatoes and chilies. It's the same family and all of those things contain nicotine. So tomatoes contain nicotine. Oraine contain nobody says orene is you know addicted. How how how have you heard anybody addicted to tomatoes? [laughter] But they just don't realize it contains nicotine you see.

So yeah, but that wow. So I I think that's super epic. So one the Maliki one Kazakistan. Oh yes. To the Maliki Mab. >> Hi. We're going to have to definitely also am applying to Revolute. Do you know the bank Revolute?

>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Reute. >> It's made by Nick Steronsky, Russian from Moscow. I'm applying to there. So, so if I get into revolute so I can visit Burmong inshallah visa I will I will as you come here don't worry inshallah >> whether it's going to be here or whether we come there I will have premium cigars waiting for you don't worry >> till then it's been an absolute pleasure speaking to you message me on Instagram we'll stay always message you >> message me again but after this conf sorry What did you say your nickname?

Did you say you had a nickname? >> My nickname is Becku. It's like Red Boo but >> right. Okay. Well, message me and or I'll look out for it inshallah and we'll connect. Take care. Pleasure. Salam >> people. That was Beckbul all the way from Kazakistan. Allah Allah. Look at that N he had on his face.

people the N he brought vah what a what a an amazing soul you know you see some people and you can just they radiate positivity and you can just tell that what a great person and you don't even it could just be the first time you're meeting them you think yeah what an amazing soul so Allah bless him and bless you all I could see here there's some questions that uh what's is Mariam you said I have an image that only men smoke cigars.

Uh no now it's actually becoming a thing amongst women as well. women. You're right. Maybe across the board, it's more so associated with men, but now recently in recent times, increasingly more and more women uh it's an uptrend that women too are smoking cigars. And I just feel it makes beautiful conversation honestly just the presence, the company, it's priceless.

And I feel that, you know, like I said, like if anything was to be discussed in life that was of any value or meaning, I can't picture it without a cigar. You just sit there. That's going to take an hour, have some coffee or tea or drink or whatever you like with it, chai or and you you have to have some drink, something with it to keep the, you know, the the moisture in the mouth.

Otherwise, the smoke can make it dry. And you just it's just blessed company. Honestly, the best way to enjoy a cigar is in with great company. And and it just makes you deep life in a way that yeah, it's it's it's different. It's difficult explaining it to somebody who doesn't do it because you you are in this mam and wavelength where wow like you can the intricacies and nuances

of of this dun you're ready for them you know it's like that but yeah it is an uptrend absolutely Mariam so yeah but there is Uh yeah, won't show. Well, you know what? We'll have to, you know, on the Discord, uh we'll have to arrange some kind of, you know, where we have the chat and cuz we have our Discord, uh group chats and yeah, that's a great way to have those chats

is, you know, with a cigar, right? seems like an explosion of nicotine. I you know I don't know you know I feel now it could be this is my take I feel that it's more than just the nicotine like I don't feel if you put a nicotine like nicotine is obviously a noatropic it's powerful we have receptors in our body nicotine you know nicotine receptors that's why we have them so they pick up the but I feel it's not just that that there is something

about the practice the leaf itself and I was reading somewhere that maybe it's the breath work is adding to it you know the breath work that you do that for an hour and that brings the soul to a certain because the soul is deeply connected to the breath in this.

Yeah. How do I join the Discord? The Discord is through patreon.com. Uh forward slashmalm. There you can see it there. Forward slmalm in the background. Can you see it? Oh, look. Ah, this is me. I'm never too good on there. You can see it there. Right. Okay. Let's We've got some people still waiting.

How long have we Whoa, we've been going on for ages today. Right, let's see. Who do we have here? Vtor Valent, >> do you hear me? >> I can. Loud and clear with an echo. Allah abar. Where are you joining us from? Vtor >> from Brazil.

>> Wow. The state of spirit. >> Spitat. All right. Wow. Brazil is just >> spirit. >> Oh, wow. I was just about to say with such a cool name, Vtor. It sounds almost like Victor the the Vtor. I was like, wait.

>> Yes. My name my name means Victor. Val means brave. Like brave. >> Yeah. I thought so. Wow. Wow. And look at that. See, now the accent makes sense. The Brazilian follow you were so happy talking about cigars like [laughter] >> Yes.

Yes. Yes. Brazil. Yes. South America. This is where you know they come from these places. Now you have the uh is it the Matafina Brazilian rapper that is famous for they obviously produces its own rappers and and South America South America nobody can compete with >> here you people use a lot of I don't know how to say but is a one that you can roll small with organic tobacco >> that's more common than Cuban.

>> Like a roll. Is it a cigar or is it like a cigarette? >> Like a cigarette. >> Okay. >> People roll. >> They roll it up. Okay. I see. Like a rollup. >> Yeah. But Okay. Wow. So, Brazil. So, talk to us, Vtor. It's an honor having you may be the first guest from Brazil actually on the show. I'm trying to think. Uh >> first time for everything.

You see, I Brazil is long on my list, as is South America that I have to visit. But I I must say sometimes I'm freaked out by all the, you know, [laughter] all the the media stuff that you think you're going to get kidnapped by some cartels and tortured, [laughter] >> you know, you get all this. If you go by the media, >> if you go by the media, you never go to the Muslim world leaders.

So, >> yeah, true. Very well, very well said. Very well said. That is so true. But it's just such a beautiful part of the world. Allahbar. Yeah. So, all right. Talk to us, tell us what's on your thoughts, on your mind. Before you were saying about the the psychedelics thing and often we talk about rationalism and even you like try to bring thoughts like rational thoughts into Islam.

>> Yeah. >> Like bring it >> kind of back. >> True. >> But when you see traditions like Sufism that has this transcendential kind of thing >> Yeah. uh is kind of look look looked down upon like in in Islam people look down on Sufism and the at least the modern way of Sufism I guess >> and we've incited here so do you think we need to bring back kind of a balance between

this mystic side and the rational >> [snorts] >> Yeah, 100% I very well said Vtor and I agree you know 100% these things are looked down upon. Um I do think look I understand sometimes well everything is susceptible to criticism and you know some criticism is valid some might be unfair just like anything in life and it is true that Sufiism too [snorts] like we can't deny that Sufiism 2 along

the way has become institutionalized. >> Yes. And it has, you know, once again this power this like >> it overshot. >> I say like it overshot the mark like it's just too much I think. >> Yeah. And it's it's got like you know just like anything it's got corruption. It's got uh a lot of stuff power politics. There's a lot of control going on. Cultish behavior.

weird practices sometimes some people, you know, uh sometimes just weird superstitious stuff going on. Sometimes there's abusive stuff going on and and that's not this what I'm saying is not exclusive to Sufiism, but it's heavily found in a lot of Sufi practices as well or like the Sufi world. That said, overall, Sufism is clearly a much more uh loving, softer, compassionate tone and attitude and approach to Islam

than let's say the other ways clearly. But sometimes it doesn't necess you can get people who are very harsh and they're still Sufi. So it does happen to me. I'm very interested. So I do overall like I would agree that the more softer, tolerating, compassionate side of Islam is often found amongst Sufis uh as opposed to non-Sufis who tend to be more kind of puritanist and a bit more like sometimes you will get some that are neither that

they just like let's say maybe they're not Sufi but they might just be very I don't know like you might get some very rational just thinking Muslims who are not very uh Sufi but not very harsh either like you get uh Javeed Ramadi and a few maybe like uh they might be seen as maybe modern kind of thinkers uh you get a lot of them sometimes you get some other groups maybe some political groups that are more politically inclined they're neither Sufi neither Salifi they're not so harsh but for the most part I would agree that the like if you had

to fall in one or the other. The safer option is within this the Sufi thing. But to me, I'm very interested in the kind of mystic mystical uh understanding the transcendentalism that kind of mystical approach >> like the theological side of it or not. >> Yeah. Yeah. Sure. The theological but even Yeah. Like as in the by the theological, our approach to the divine being very mystical, being very like how and the fact that they did this and they put it in writing and they wrote about

like you get many of these uh >> when you go to the Alandaloo like the Spanish like when they go to neoplatonism I so interesting like the manations and things like that >> 100% I I think the way they did all of this. It's so we like I'm very grateful to them having you know having provided later generations with this way of thinking with this approach with translating the works showing the things you see to me this kind of even this

neoplatonic way these things predate even neoplatinism like you're going to find a lot of these thoughts you'll find them ancient you'll find them with some preoccratic thinkers uh you know you'll find them with the palminedes for example you'll find them with so and some people have said that maybe those people were you know some people have said maybe they were prophets from God Allah like we don't know like of some people have said maybe Socrates was a prophet some people have said maybe uh because these people are way before Jesus you know they way >> I do believe it for example

>> yeah like to me the stuff I've read about Palminadities about the state of being about things like how there was oneness, how he believed in just one divine, how he tried to teach this, how he was divinely inspired in that in in the kind of that cave like I feel that this is very reflective to the way of prophets. So and his teaching you see a lot of that whatn is saying is there in that you know uh uh pomminian kind of thought you see it the which is also what neoplatanism is kind of mirroring

that same thought so yeah uh so I do feel this stuff it's very like I love it I feel that it also you see [clears throat] the mystics They okay why why is the mystic a problem for people or a challenge?

Because the mystic speaks of this kind of direct experience of the divine where a lot of people who are going by a certain system don't know where to put that. Like the the traditional scholars sometimes don't know what to do with that. is they're trying to go by a certain system. Now he or she what they do is they break away from shackles.

So let's say when in the you have great figures like who is a great mystic of Islam. Now she is known amongst other mystics to say things like that the imagery of hell and heaven are a distraction from God. She will say things like, you know, she would would be known to say things like, you know what, bring me water, I will put out the fire of hell.

And bring me uh fire, I will burn the heaven. Because people are not worshiping Allah for the sake of Allah. They just they're worshiping Allah just because they want a heaven or they don't want like now what do you do with this kind of an idea? Because you see it's not like is there really anything wrong with that what this person is saying but at the same time it's not what the institutions are used to.

So the institutions are building this building block and this is like a free spirit trying to say wait a minute why are you worshiping Allah even for a paradise like what's wrong with you why don't you want God like why are you not trying to do this for God himself like you're trying to it's as if you're just interested she would say that these people are just interested in toys that they're not interested in and and now this I find very in like fascinating this kind of call towards God for the sake of God and and there's nothing

wrong with somebody saying look there's nothing wrong in a person saying I'm well only worshiping because of Jenna but this is a lower order >> and these things are yeah like a symbol >> you have to be like have a a balance between things because Conviction can be just about like fear.

If you only >> like let's say if we really have uh natural disposition towards God, there must be things that >> take us to that path easier. And I don't think fear or think about hell is the right way.

>> Yeah. No, I agree with you. I'm not saying look everyone is drawn to this mystical approach and I'm not saying everyone should do this but to me I feel it's invaluable that we have this within Islam because like to me I'm sure many people like that to several people it is very intriguing. Now maybe it's not for everyone and maybe for maybe even most people I don't know like maybe they're just happy with this lower order that look as long as I pray as long as I I'm just interested in heaven you know I just want a palace in heaven I just want this this is lower

order there's nothing wrong with this >> may I ask you something for example in Yazali's time how were the Sufis in the mystic sim way like people were really really mystic So I feel that even Sufism you see it's not always been welcoming to the mystics.

So you'll find that even the true mystics struggled. You see the mystics are amongst the Sufis but >> I see >> they often they they are amongst the Sufis. They're not amongst the other forms. However, [snorts] their acceptance and opposition is both from the Sufis. So, even Arabi he is from the Sufis like he's from that community.

However, his people who've heavily criticized obviously you do get some people like and so on being very critical but even the Sufis will be the people in his lifetime who posed challenges and you know attacked him and did things like they were so for example the people because they are in that community they're not in the other communities so even like let's say people like Roomie Like when you're going to see his teacher like Roomie going on this very mystical journey because of Shams

Shams is attacked by Sufis and people say he's killed by Sufis or whether he was killed or not. So the the the the you know the kind of push and pull is coming from that same community. So you'll get most Sufis will today [snorts] value the name of Arabi. However, when it comes to his teachings, many Sufis will say like shy away from them, say, "Oh, no, no, no, just ignore his teachings.

His this oh, you know, don't talk about it." But there'll be some who will embrace it. And it's the same thing with because this is the thing of mystics Arab is from like within the Sufi circle, there's another inner circle that's smaller that is the mystic circle. So, not all Sufis are mystical. Now those that are mystics they often are challenged by and opposed by some of the s like let's say halaj now he was a great mystic now now the person opposing him or obviously was some of the local politicians that's

politics and they wanted his death warrant signed but in the end they get people like juned al baghdadi who's also like from one of the sufis to sign his death warrant and Juned Al Baghdadi opposes him, you know, because Juned Al Baghdadi in the end decides to go with a more uh scientific version of like the Sowolf, like something that's more just about well, we're just going to practice and you know, we're going to do things.

we're not going to be as mystical because you see the problem with mystical is nobody knows what to do with it because it's direct experience with the divine like what do you do with it because people like that are rogue like they'll start saying things now okay they might start saying things that upset people now it might upset politicians it might upset theologians it might upset jurists realize is is important for the dialectic inside the >> the religion.

>> 1,000% I agree with you that this to keep this dialectic alive is necessary. You know, there is this poem. I was reflecting on it the other day. There's a a subcontinent poet, a very famous uh mystic from like the 1800s. His name was uh Bam which means like the one without almost life like the lifeless bedum varsi and he he had this poem where he's speaking about all of this and symbolage and he has this uh this this kind of

line in his poem where he says uh he says that that that the goal that of my destination the desired destination is neither thea nor the temple says

that it's neither theid idol temple that oh you know the will of man traverse both of these. Go ahead of both of them. Now you see now this to some people might trouble them to other >> Yeah. But but what he's trying to say here because Bedumi is is a Muslim and he's he's a mystic a Sufi mystic but he's what he's trying to say is that both of these

you see obviously the idol worship is wrong but he's trying to say even the Kaa is ultimately this is a symbol it is not Allah this is a symbol we call it the house of Allah It's not a physical house where Allah lives. This is a symbol where we can it's a for the divine.

Don't mistake it for the divine itself. that you know it's the hadith of the prophet that he said that even if you somebody smashed the Kaa the prophet said in a hadith that to hurt a believer would be far greater in the eyes of Allah than it would be to destroy the bricks of the kaa because these are just bricks even if they're very sacred holy bricks but the heart [clears throat] of a believer is something that is mirrors the divine so what he's saying in This poetry from one point is almost a shock

that wait a minute yeah he's saying that I don't want to go to the temple like he's saying that the the goal is not the temple but he's saying but by the way the goal is neither the cabba it's ahead of this which is Allah himself that the kaa is a means it's not the goal the goal is Allah so now this kind of poetry is iconoclastic It shatters things.

Now, this is why it's very mystical. And once again, it's a wrench, but it's I agree with you 1,000%. It's necessary for that dialectic that Yeah. So, I Yeah, I hope that's uh Yeah, it's Vtor Shukran Shukran for sharing and and allowing us to have this communication.

And I really uh I'm honestly I love the fact that you've joined. What are you ethnically if you don't mind me asking? Are you Brazilian ethnically or >> I am full Brazilian like both sides. I I reverted >> at 27 like three years ago. Two three years ago. >> Oh wow. >> I was born Catholic.

>> Yeah. Look at that. May Allah fill your life with positivity and blessings. A mean and make you a light for his light. I did think you were uh you know converted but I wasn't sure because you see sometimes some there can be a resemblance between uh let's say some Arabs and between like you know you can resemble >> like if you said to me you were Lebanese for example or you were like if you said to me you were Syrian or Lebanese you actually look very you look very Syrian as well at the same time like obviously your name gave it

away, Vtor. But if you had written like an Arab name there and you said, "Oh, I'm Syrian or I'm Lebanese," I would believe it 100%. [laughter] >> Is such a big mix of antiic backgrounds. So, >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. But that's that's wow. Just beautiful your journey that you've embraced. What interested you in Islam if you don't mind me asking?

to tell the truth like um I always felt like uh closeness to the prophet Jesus but >> but the church itself and the Bible never resemble like never talk to me and for a long time I was agnostic like like in doubt about if I believed or not but the more I' I've thought about it more I I saw that I did believe in God but I

didn't believe by the Bible was was it so it's just a process of studying a lot then I went to the early church the agnostics like they say the >> you probably know the story about the >> they say they reject the old testament and then I got to the Quran and it just made more sense to me.

I read the the life of the prophet and things like that little by little. Allah bless you Vtor honestly. Yeah. Well, I'm really glad you did tune in and I'm even gladder and happier that you came live and yeah got to share just your presence with us. That's you know at the end of the day it's just the company you know that's what it is that there's I I cite this often from that um you know those kind of um it's like image stories of the boy and the panda

where he says uh where he asks the panda that what is more important is it the journey or the destination and he says the panda replies it's the company and I feel that that is truly the meaning one of the you know a powerful meaning of life it is the company so Shukhan for sharing that with us >> and today thank you also like there's no not a big community of Muslims here so sometimes conversations like this give a lot of insight and things like that >> absolutely shook and and stay connected

drop me a message on Instagram I'll look out for it and I'll be connected, right? Victor Shukran, once again, Allah bless you and a very good night or evening people. That was Vtor uh from Brazil. Wow, we've had such a uh honestly such a blessed mixture of people from all over the world just reflecting the colorful beauty of this um may Allah bless you all people wherever you are have you know may Allah

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