Life Chose You! | Meaning With MALM #15

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right on momentico let me just see that this is live people right so are we live we are for some reason i can't see it today saying life it is right clear and [Music] um

all right so we are ah see my hair is all over the place we are back meaning with mom allah allah so what is going on and what will be taking a look at today whilst you guys tune in click like and share you know the drill right so whilst you guys are doing that i'll just double check the sound is all good and i'll bring up what we'll be going through all right so let me just see

we've got scorpio all right [Laughter] sound is good shook and scorpio with sam i appreciate it shook him i believe i got your message with sam is it if i'm correct from australia is that is that the one uh the instagram message i was reading it i think earlier on today uh nora from florida you do in it shook

and shook it and right we've got chemical chemical tally uh it's quite a scary name but yes with um that's the one yep that's it that's the one i thought so um how has my day been yeah it's it's been good it's been um you know every day every moment is always good it's just interesting differently it adds and that's what i want to take a look at today let's uh

see that what we want to explore is life people life life that's what i'm talking about why because life chose you allah and it did in in many and in every way you see you uh

when you came to you by before you even came to your senses if you ever think to yourself why me that's because life chose you and i want to take a little look at that today the and the ephemeral nature the fleeting nature of life people the quranic guidance on that i want to bring in uh following on from that a study by brony we which is on regrets so i want to take a look at that because i feel it's very relevant

and then also a review of the jpb jordan peterson broadcast i take it but the jordan peterson dialogue uh his podcast with uh dr mustapha akyol and i want to go over that as well so that's what we'll be taking a look at today and then i'll take on live guests um why don't you ever check your inbox [Laughter] for a moment would forget who uh

why don't i ever check my inbox i'm sorry am i gonna be fired i do check my inbox but um i tend to check more so on instagram i don't know you know that's um it's an interesting point i've it's you know i don't know it's uh

hmm i find myself on a different plane of consciousness in recent times and i'm just not in certain places maybe where i was or how and i don't i don't know i i find some things like i just don't find them that um i i can't explain it but i don't find i'm losing interest am i

in a lot of this social media participation mean i still obviously i'm do i i'm on youtube and i'm on instagram i don't i'm on all the platforms or most of them still but i i'm just this and i don't know if it's just me or maybe this in there's an era of it and maybe it's the collective consciousness that there's there's a disenchantment

hmm like i just don't see it so basically you find our message is boring [Laughter] well you know uh uh right which is you have changed your previous environment no it's it's not even that it's i don't know i'm on a plane of consciousness currently and maybe for some weeks now

and it's just it's different you're on a different floor and in this floor there are different things there are different experiences and there are different engagements and maybe you know there are new meanings and then all of a sudden the floor the other floor you're not on that floor anymore in this building we call the cosmos or being and

i feel that yeah it's hard to articulate but it's just i mean i'm still i still you know i'm very much in touch with my kind of stuff i'm still doing my stuff i still my um my own kind of things and my own friends and this obviously you guys you precious people there's patreons i still have my sessions one-to-ones and we just had a group session this monday gone and there's a group session coming up this next monday as well for tears one two three but this so it's thing it's not that things ain't

happening but i find a certain i don't know it's just i don't really see the allure in certain things anymore right nora shukran shukran much love for the super jay please say hello to my daughter viviane hello and assalamu alaikum it's a pleasure to have you on live with us all the way from florida so vivian muchas gracias

all right so what is going on after taking dmt social media isn't that interesting [Laughter] it's these planes of consciousness as a person travels between them life is still life but it's the texture of its fabric changes

um it's simple mufti it's netflix nothing else no i find even netflix boring nowadays um we are a breath of fresh air and adam i appreciate it and it is it's probably this clear you're right it's old age it's not that i feel old not that i think i am so old but i mean it's not that but you're right it's probably life which is very relevant today to today and what i want to cover with this because it's just it's

you know this there's so much to absorb and and sometimes it's it's just yeah but you you're doing the same rut the same right you get tired and social media i think it's wonderful for its purposes but it's so you know just down there it's so damn it's not really uh what's this spotlight layout what is one of them news layout press shift and five okay

how does that work oh that's a newsletter i get it i'm sorry i just read something so today what we're going to be taking a look at are these topics hope you guys are doing well i did want to speak about um do a review of the podcast i did watch it between jordan peterson i know people's views and thoughts on dr jordan peterson are divided but yeah i kind of like him i do like him not kind of i do like him while i is

be transparent why make it clear so i do like him it's because i i love his profundity i love his um [Music] uh i understand people a lot of people especially young people uh don't like him and but i think you know what i think even if people don't like him it doesn't mean that he shouldn't be liked by other people you understand because sometimes some people have this thing that oh my god i don't like this person nobody should like him

that's not life okay that's not how it should be so okay mufti could you um comment on the hadith about the prophet and him washing up from a well where garbage is thrown please adam baba uh babatov okay of course that's an excellent question yeah sean uh jordan peterson recorded with hijab mufti you should be next yeah i'd love to or at least you know what i'm liking i'm i'm liking the fact uh

um i'm liking the fact that jordan peterson has started a a com a series in sha allah of conversations with muslims i didn't to be honest when he said i get it look he's not muslim and he has his and we can't expect people to always see things from other people's perspectives and when he did say about the prophet as a warlord and things like this i didn't like that and i understand what he's trying to say i understand he's trying to say well the prophet participated in war and he led

tribes in war therefore you could call him a warlord um but i also at the same time felt you know for a person who's so incredibly sensible and profound she's so profound uh that's such an um ill-sensible um ill-advised choice of words for the prophet who so you know this is so beloved and so beloved and so um dear to you know a percentage of the entire globe so i just felt um you know but i do

generally i i love what jordan peterson does and what he's been doing and the fact he's opened these conversations i've really wanted the conversation between him and sheikh hamza yusuf to happen i hope it does happen because i think that would be groundbreaking um and the fact that he's now starting to have i heard today he'd had a conversation with muhammad hijab so this goes to show well okay there's a series of conversations that have begun and that's fine and that's good because everybody should get to talk you understand

um and people should be exposed to different kind of understanding that people can choose people can see how does such and such a person express themselves how do other people express themselves how to um and it gives and the main thing is that a conversation is in process people are talking that's the you know it's good to talk and and i like that shukran i see saracen musti just take a break i think that's what i'm always doing that's my problem i'm always taking a break so

right now if there's who's this speaking to if there's blackmailing i don't know who are you who is my dear replying to uh i'm not sure there's probably some

uh religious black meaning right sean doe saying answer me for beeps sake mufti i've been trying to contact you for such a long time uh you i'm in need of help i've been suffering severe depression and disorder um please get in touch you're my only hope wow okay may sorry for the excuse the the bad language there people uh may allah make things easy for you sean

though um i make dua for you obviously i've not seen your message but what i would say is what i would say is if if you see it sounds like you've got a lot going on in terms of like you're mentioning mental health issues contact a professional contact a doctor seek medical assistance seek therapeutic interventions these things are how this is done okay this is not going to be done via sending a share a message on facebook it's not gonna it's not gonna happen i mean nothing

you know what what do people you i mean what do i don't know what magic people are expecting me to be able to do like that what you expect me to do imagine i i message someone hey my life's messed up there you go help i mean what would you expect the person to do i mean what you can do if you want sessions i do offer sessions you can book yourself in through patreon you can go to my instagram on the top highlights it shows you the instructions how to book in one to one sessions you can book that that's an opportunity for people um it guides you through it gives you

all the instructions to go into patreon obviously it is a uh it does cost but you could i would say if that's what you're in need of if you're in need of things like uh medical intervention then you know i'm not going to messaging i'm not going to be able to do any miracles you need to contact a doctor you need to contact your local mental health kind of experts and speak to them okay but i'm also if if i can be of help you feel free to reach out to me don't expect miracles through and don't expect any kind of

um i don't know like some kind of overwhelming don't expect so much substance from me in messages because i'm just being honest it's not going to happen because i i get so many messages i'm not you know like somebody sends a message oh musti you know i i can't find you you know the amount of questions i get like oh mufti i can't find this i want no have you can you answer this question and it'll be a simple question which i've answered and i'll say find it on youtube and they'll be like oh can you send me the link i'll be like no i can't because you know that's the least you can do is search

for keywords i mean if you can't even search for keywords for god's sake just pack it in right now you know that you have to do in this world one must do to get you see so don't just don't ever expect there nobody's coming for help nobody's coming there is no cavalry there is no reinforcements you have to pull yourself up and get stuff done and when people send me sometimes this situation i do try depending on the situation i may you know i may send a little voice note i may just say you know make a little dua for the person tell them seek help don't

worry about it don't stress yourself out too much you know that's all i can really do in a message i mean what i'm not going to now let's just be honest i mean you're not going to get a message from someone and now just start writing a 5 000 word essay in reply to someone so not to belittle from their problems because you know may allah make it easy for them but they have to be realistic as well they can't think you know i'm going to write to some mufti or some shaykh or some imam or some malana or some and in a text message and get my life sorted out it just ain't going to happen so proactive steps you know if you're

suffering from mental health issues first thing is get medical help okay get counseling uh if change your lifestyle habits okay the physiology affects the psychology if you're not doing anything healthy start doing healthy start going to the gym start going for a run start going for a walk start immediately with some press-ups start something start now change your diet okay start eating a bit healthier start change make sure you're taking all your daily vitamins

you're taking daily amino acids okay do all of that change your circle of friends create new friends create a new hobby right what have you always been interested in start learning about it go on youtube watch some clips have you always wanted to draw have you always wanted to do poetry have you always wanted to i don't know learn electro electrics or become a mechanic or i don't know do whatever it is you want to do go hiking you want to discover places you want to stop doing that have you got a job no yes okay yes good get into it no get a job you know like you have to do so many

things in life and of course reach out to people reach out to me you know if i can help you i'll help you if you want intense actual interactive sessions book yourself in through patreon and i'll give you sessions but once again it's not miracles you see you have to help will come but you must take the first step you know the hadith allah says my my person he walks towards me i run to him but who walks first you see the person takes the first step then allah comes rushing to save him he must take that first step

the journey of a thousand miles it begins with that first step as lauter has said so may allah make things easy for you and for everyone who is struggling i mean well for my name is muhammad but everyone calls me hamet love you for the sake of allah may allah bless you keep you smiling hammet i take it that's for hamid so shukran shukran

right um i had a friend suffering from depression but he said something impressive i don't want people to feel sorry for me wow you know let's just take a a minute on that you know firstly i'm make dua anybody suffering from depression may allah make things easy for them grant them shifa secondly they need to they need to pull themselves up from the bootstraps they need to move forward in life you need to wake up and you need to choose life that's what you need to do okay you can tell me it's tough and

tough it is so what if it's tough you got to do it that is life there is someone in a hospital bed near you near you begging crying to allah for the opportunities that you have you

don't you dare let these opportunities go to waste embrace them take that step you are grateful allah will increase it for you things will change but take that step right

all right i wonder if i think mufti is unaware sometimes of his unique voice and the huge void he feels for alienated muslims the sense of urgency when people try to reach mufti for their problem that could be that could be a point because i genuinely don't feel that i'm in any way like that i don't yeah i guess it's you know it's it's it's always wonderful to hear it it's always wonderful to hear it because i don't you're right

it's like i don't believe it so some all right so you vah farhan akram shukla and shukla and much love stay blessed um you give for you to turn your back

come with groundbreaking structures i haven't turned my back on oh my look you know it's not everybody is still there the world is still going on as it is and everything all my clips and everything are still there you can still watch them detailed breakdowns i cover every week quranic guidance i take people live you know you can come on live when i share the clip come on live look i this is me giving for free i sit here for hours every week i put the link out sometimes nobody wants to come on you know i mean people do come on okay

fair play but sometimes it has happened that only one person two people come on but i give them the opportunity this is for free i mean there's no you know i'm not it doesn't it's it's an opportunity to say hey jump on let's have a conversation it's a a weekly surgery if you like and i do that and i do give from my time but you have to understand as well that you know you it's difficult because dealing with the we have to all face our own shadow okay and we have to go through it so right let's take a look

uh what's this um it's true mufti muhammad hijab wouldn't get a request like that i'm not sure which request that is oh like for somebody to not naskath i think your fear of losing your faith is a testament to how strong your faith is yes exactly i mean don't you know don't don't kind of fret over my iman is going my iman is going my iman is going it isn't going anywhere it's right there

it's with you it's in your heart god is not going anywhere you are safely nested just stop panicking surrender let go allah that is it you see it's not you guys you're panicking there's nothing to panic about you're creating a false sense of fear let me bring up

what i'd like us to take a look at today so let me play this taking right those of you who haven't caught up on the book lounge the bonobo and the atheist uh wonderful discussion with the team which reminds me that we have that's this month's book by oliver sax it's amazing um i've put in there a little quote by rumi maulana the cure for pain is in the pain i love it i love it uh

khalib has something like that by the way that as the pain exceeds the boundaries it becomes the cure and i suppose in abundance and give me the the disease for as the cure cure me with the with the illness itself so this is a common motif used by poets right so the book lounge this month its awakenings we have got a few slots because

uh so if people are interested only if you're interested and you're committed there are serious conditions i don't take you know on the book lounge thing i don't take no slacking so you must be actually interested in reading a book each month and you must be interested in participating in the discussion at the end of the month so that's uh a necessary condition if you are prepared to do that reach out to lee kadan i'll uh somebody will just write it in the in the comments there and i've got it i've got it on my instagram story as well you can reach out to lee that's spelled

l-e-i-g-h and kadan k-a-d-a-n-e and she will then guide you through the process she's managing that and it is it's it's a wonderful way to corner yourself to read something new every month you know because it's and it gets you to have discussions with people it gets you to you know become a part of something new and and i'm just as well involved in that as well because i sometimes in the month i'm like oh my god i haven't read the book yet damn i better start reading i better start listening to some of it on audible and

sometimes i'm having to catch up like that in between with both you know i've got to do a drive and whilst i'm driving i'll listen to certain amounts and then i'll carry on reading and but it really gets you through some interesting material each month and the books i choose are usually of that nature that will give you some perspective on life so the bonobo and the atheist was epic for that this month's awakenings by dr oliver sykes one of the leading world you know renowned psychiatrists and psychologists i was fortunate enough to attend his lecture um early last decade and it was about happiness and he was the keynote speaker

uh he'd been flown in and so his work has just been groundbreaking and this is an amazing book it's got a movie made on it with robin williams with robert de niro and it's just wow so and there's a lot of youtube discussions on it there's interviews there's a whole plethora of stuff to absorb become a part of discuss you know this is life yeah you gotta learn something what have you learned today what have you learned this week and you could talk about these things for the rest of your life

uh any book or you recommend it uh yeah so i mean what i do is every month um every month we choose a new book so we've got a discord server called the book lounge and we choose a book and then we read it on our own during the month people might share quotes they might share stuff thoughts they might have their little discussions in in the discord server this is only to do with the book cloud it's not you know q a it's not you know islamic stuff it's not that kind of mufti stuff it's just i'm on it but that's what it

is so it's not about being hijacked for other discussions and then at the end of the month we do a live stream from discord we come up we have our discussion so it's usually about anything like one and a half hours long and we just talk about the book different things what was fascinating and just have a conversation and that's it and each month we choose a new book so those of you interested we've got some more spaces right so uh musti movie lounge yeah we'll do that at some point but not right now uh have i missed the super chat

um sing all right what's your view about abdullah sabha do you believe he played a part in the first fitna because he or was he a or is he a forged character to shield the sahaba wow that's a quite a i'm i'm impressed jagru i take it you're not muslim so your research into islam is definitely intriguing and interesting and good right so abdullah ibn sabha

i don't know if he's an entirely forged character i think it's probably the truth often lies off somewhere in the middle that there are things that they most likely was a person and he probably was asking certain critical questions but maybe he wasn't going the full way as some people exaggerated as in some people say you know he gave birth to the whole shia cult and he this was some great jewish conspiracy and obviously that's not true i mean it doesn't take many brain cells to know that's not true but

does it mean this person was an absolute forgery and the whole thing never even existed and the whole um somebody just later on concocted this whole fantasy that doesn't have to to be true either that something somewhere in the middle the events happened as they did abdullah was not the the you know the prime mover for the for the events but he is a name that appears now there so i believe there may have been i don't think he necessarily is fictitious there may have been this person and he

may have also sided with the people that were causing some trouble but there were many people that were causing trouble at the time many of the the chiefs um of the rebels the insurgents that later on fled back to basra and kufa and different places many people were that attacked the house of uthman so yeah i think to just it's such reductionism is quite simplistic in in my thinking

um although there are several people who had the title even subway in history yeah i mean like i said there's a chance yes i mean there's a chance of course that he's entirely fictitious i don't deny that but i'm saying that they i feel personally i would think that somebody did exist with that name and but it's not as the the goliath that they made him out to be but he's not innocent either and he's probably somebody that also got involved amongst many other people that

were causing trouble and for some reason his name has been echoed throughout time all right so much love you do in it much love much love watch this now i go for study thank you all again may allah keep us safe shukran shook and much love may allah keep you blessed safe and smiling right so somebody's asking please bring a shia muslim

onto mind trap next that's a good thought you know i i i will reach out to some uh shia brethren and ask them inshallah i have in the past already but i take it they were just too busy and they didn't but i'll ask let me why not that would be an interesting discussion in fact i don't know if this is rumors or not but somebody sent me a clip um with uh i've got to actually whatsapp him and ask him with uh raza i believe from hyde park and we've and we communicate

we have a a good friendship so somebody sent me a clip about some people discussing him saying he's changed a lot of his shia views i don't know whether that's fabricate whether that's all made up or legitimate or some of it is or isn't but i just watched about 20 seconds of it but i did think oh you know i'll send him a message and i'll one you know i wonder is there any truth to this and and i'd love to get him on a discussion and discuss that if so what and you know why the changes if they be true um yes raza i'm speaking about yes yes

no not raza aslan no no no not razan i mean sayyid raza from from london okay right let's begin bismillah so let this just bismillah people

guys i wanted to speak about life okay and why i say this is you'll understand obviously this sounds like common sense life because we all have it but let's reflect on some quranic guidance we'll go through some of the verses then we're going to come back to the discussion you've got there from surah nahal verse 77

o hua aka that is such a powerful such a powerful verse you see to allah belongs the unseen because what does that mean the unseen it also yes it means that that which you don't know it means the afterlife it means pre-existence it means all of this yes of course ah but it also means all the goodness that is yet to come

it also means all the achievements the accomplishments in life that may happen or may not it also includes all the suffering which may or may not happen it includes everything allah has he has that that all belongs to him it is not a matter for you it is not for you to feel that you know this you have this with certainty you don't have any certainty on the matter but

and you see it's amazing because at the moment as use it because it means the hour in arabic which it does like what's the what's the time but can mean a watch or a clock or an hour but it can also mean the moment gary the the actual the hour of this the hour of death the hour of the reckoning the hour of the afterlife the hour of annihilation

you see it is but just a blinking of an eye you see because when you when you think about it time is relative people just have to fluctuate their planes of consciousness and they become aware of time being so relative even though we share in this intersubjective relativity but it doesn't really

exist and at that moment everything is just like like the blinking of an eye and then allah says or is it quicker still or is it faster than even the blinking of an eye perhaps you see in life every

every memory every experience it's the past you see if it's it's gone you're not in it it's just being fed back to you in a loop you are not a part of that past now i mean it is your past but it's gone i say this and this moment has now passed we are in the next moment and every future to come it's something which

it is always just an anticipation all we ever have is the everlasting now hence the philosophers you see the philosophical question that if every imagine the whole world just began right now but we'd been implanted with the memories of our past we could never know because we would just think it all happened like no there was a past because it's in our memory but what if the whole world was just put

together at this very moment right now and we just had these memories we would think oh it existed and all this happened and all these things and you could say well but they've got artifacts and they've got bones and they've got old but all that's put together right now with the memory that it was ancient [Laughter] there would be no way to discern the difference we we couldn't tell we would assume it was just as it as it is now you see and like that

the hour comes it is like the blinking the flashing of an eye allah has says over all just and this in many ways can also be seen to about going back to the beginning of the verse the unseen because life i want to speak about life people discussing today that look you know sad things are happening in their lives but how do you know great things aren't destined for you

how do you know but you've gotta you've gotta go there you've got to take the step you've gotta smile you know smile laugh a little you see it allah is all powerful over allah has power over all of these things do you have the power to take the first step do you you see so there's such a powerful verse from surah nahal

verse 77 and in that light allah says in the second verse it's one of the most powerful beautiful duas of the quran life up live life to the fullest

give us the best right here and give us the best afterwards just give us the best save us from damnation and that by extension can be any and every heart save us from harm from negativity we don't need negativity you want positivity love compassion you are asking allah allah is teaching you this to in the quran verse 201 that

just make it all good why wake up and choose suffering wake up and choose life it's already been given to you and allah is saying teaching you ask for this why ask for it you think why is why is allah saying ask for it why because you can just give it by asking by verbalizing you see the ulama say that the quran you can just say it in your mind

dua can just be in your mind but they say articulate it verbalize it and they say you know because with each note of the speech there is a reward they're enticing you to say why because by saying it you see you're hearing it you're hearing it within it is altering your mindset you've already taken a step towards it you've already said it that give us goodness now why should this thing isn't about being you know

depressed or being sad or being a hermit or being ascetic or being or going through suffering and sacrifice sure these things may happen but the deen isn't about that you choose to live it to its fullest so this is one of the most powerful duas and in light of those verses you've got another verse as well i can oh it's brought it up which is in sword you've got it in surat nahal otherwise i could just bring it up here um

that in sort of verse 30 and it is said to those it is said to those people you see that that are mindful of god they have god consciousness see what has your lord now this doesn't just obviously anzala can mean present down but what has your god even done for you what is it you know by extension what has god even done for you what has he brought you

what has he sent down for you allah they said goodness look at the answer if they're not saying oh he sent down a list of rules or he sent down a he's try he sent goodness sam zerula you know you're asking me what is god he's done greatness for us

those who are people of essen and this is this kind of compassion this positivity those who are people of this there is goodness for them in this world but that that's what these people will have they will have goodness in this world and yet this life isn't everything this life isn't everything it's a comma not a full stop what's to come is even better

who are mindful who are god conscious some amazing incredibly powerful verses to remind us all so i wanted to bring that to our attention and in light of that i wanted to show us there was a study right if i just bring this up

let me just bring that back up oh it's frozen right in light of that i wanted us to to understand yeah on life that was done by brony we and it's something very popular that many of us have uh have already seen or read about in different articles it's been covered extensively so here it is and it ties in exactly perfectly with with what we're taking a look at brony where what she had done she is an author

and a writer who worked spent many years of her life in palliative care working with those people who were about to pass away and so they've got limited time often suffering from terminal illnesses and what she did is she went around having conversations with these people those who had anything from 12 weeks to just a couple of days left to live and she discussed with them what they at this stage this final frontier you know before the lifting of the final veil

what they regretted about life and wallahi in this is such a profound an abra for us all so she then summarizes them into the top five and right so now this is five working down in descending order i wish that i had let myself be happier you see now that's a summary of it the so-called

comfort or familiarity overflowed into their emotions as well as their physical lives fear of change had them pretending to others and to themselves that they were content when deep down within they long to laugh properly and have silliness in their life again allah don't ever let people tell you that you laugh too much don't ever have people rob you

of those moments of silliness be sees the opportunity to smile to be happy this came as the fifth she that this was in descending order she had compiled them and this it really they they ring true to so many of us number four i wish i had stayed in touch with my friends that often they would not truly realize

the full benefits of old friends until their dying weeks and it was not always possible to track them down many had become so caught up in their own lives that they had let golden friendships slip by over the years there were many deep regrets about not giving friendship the time and effort that they deserved everyone misses their friends when they are dying wow

you know life when he was asked about the joys of life and he said i summit into three and one of the three that he puts is muhammad i think in another narration that just the company and conversing with friends it truly is a joy in this place

we call life allah and then number three out of these top five i wish i'd had the courage uh sorry i wish i'd had the courage to express my feelings many people suppress their feelings in order to keep peace with others as a result they settled for a mediocre existence

and never became who they were truly capable of becoming many developed illnesses related to the bitterness and resentment they carried as a result allah you know within us there is this spirit this potentiality that wants to be what's the what's the word um and it's gonna be on the tip of my tongue now

oh um what's the anyway i'll come back to it the uh no i can't it'll come to me but the the term used often

by aristotle to represent um the potentiality the ah what's it called but anyway you see within us we all have that experience that we all have this drive this yearning that is the it is almost the rule trying to fledge and give drive to that but people suppress throughout this life just to appease people just to you know fit in with a little crowd or maybe somebody wanted to do something

but just because maybe his parents he thought they um he or she thought they wouldn't like it maybe somebody peer pressure they thought their friends wouldn't like it their spouse maybe their children i don't know maybe just they just thought people without even taking people into consideration um this it is such a such a thought

i don't know why this keeps there is number two ah this is there is i wish i hadn't worked so hard wow this came from every male patient that i nursed they missed their children's youth and their partner's companionship women also spoke of this regret but as most were from an older generation many of the female patients had had not been

breadwinners all of the men i nursed deeply regretted spending so much of their lives on the treadmill of a work existence allah i wish i hadn't worked so hard that is so true and teleki that's that's the one absolutely i was referring to that and teleki that's the potentiality that can be actualized which aristotle speaks of so

you see look at this and don't confuse this with achieving your dreams because sometimes you have to you have to deep dive you have to be submerged in your passion to achieve it somebody may think you know i i want to write i want to write a book somebody may think i want to write poetry i want to do art i want to create art somebody may think i want to climb mount everest this is my passion in life somebody may have a startup idea a business and they want to run that somebody probably runs a restaurant or they they do

these things in life will by their nature consume you to an extent and that is not what this is talking about because that is a passion that a person is doing and it will there will be a stage where it has to consume you but there is a balance and many people in life they don't it's not that they were consumed by passion they weren't consumed by these years where they which they regret these years that they say i wish i didn't work so hard well not years that they spent climbing

mount everest and doing these kind of things these years were drowned in an ocean of meaningless monotony that's what they were it was just nothingness it was nine to five putting food on the table but getting lost in the rut and that is important to put food on it is a great accomplishment you know may allah bless all these people that try that work hard

but there was it's the mindset missing out on those little moments playing with their children even a little being silly with them choking laughing even going for a walk it doesn't have to see things don't have to be so it's not an all-or-nothing zero-sum game it's not that well i haven't got money otherwise i'd be in disneyland or with my children but because i haven't got that we don't do anything

you see it's not the it's not the materials it's the connection it's the experience what you absorb so i wish i hadn't worked so hard that is honestly something that you and i could see that written on the epitaph of so many people on their tombstones

and the most bringing it to number one i wish i'd had the courage to live a life true to myself not the life others expected from me this was the most common regret of all when people realize that their life is almost over and they look back clearly on it it is easy to see how many dreams have gone unfulfilled most people had not honored even half of their dreams and had to die knowing that it was due to choices they had made or not made

health brings a freedom very few realize until they no longer have it allah see this this is why i thought it's so important to bring this to share this we can relate you know it's not about the quantity of life it's not about the number the hours the the counting of the moments it's about the moment and how much

quality it has in it that i wish i'd lived a life more true to myself allah and seriously we especially when that's coming from people in palliative care it hit so hard as you can imagine

right now we've got here let me just bring this a hadith that i want to share with you that's to do with this that stuff five before five shabab kabbalah your youth before your old age was

your health before your illness your wealth your wealth before your poverty and your free time before you become busy and your life before its death

this is the prophet of god sallallahu alaihi wasallam saying cease to cease like you seized it seized 5 before 5. now we just have to it's important to remind ourselves and others around us don't be a part of the world make money do businesses you know follow passions but balance it out value friendship

enjoy your spare time make spare time enjoy your health so it's such a powerful reminder this it really ties in so amazingly with all of these um with this study and the verses that we looked at as well right so i thought i'd share that the verses of the quran really wrap that up a person may say well you know what

should we ask god for in this life [Laughter] give us goodness here positivity amazing stuff and forever it doesn't just have to be here it can be in the afterlife be here and in the afterlife and just protect us always from all negativity from all harmful influences from all losses from all suffering from all damnation so yes

make things but easy for each and all and bless each and all i really want to share this reminder it was something i've come across this study on many occasions and every time i felt that you know what it always hits me it hits me so powerfully and i always feel i've got to share this and today i thought i want to share that well i'm gonna be honest what's this hassan

[Laughter] uh that sounds a bit off in inurdu i'm gonna be honest brother how do you get your hair looking like that at your age the lord gives and you know what the lord says there's much more greatness to come yet so people what is going on

nobody buys time and money can't buy health i knew that two since nine years old um i i read somewhere that there's an amazing saying it says a healthy person has a thousand wishes but an ill person just has one and that's very profound very profound so people what i'm going to do is i'll share the link shortly actually i'm going to go over the review almost forgot of uh jordan peterson

and mustafa like i keep i keep mixing it up you know i keep saying it this must be the dyslexia akio i keep saying ecole for some reason right so i'll be taking a look at that um shukran there was i missed a super chat earlier on by uh jagru singh thank you once again not a muslim yet haha islamic history just intrigues me your videos are great thanks for not being a wahhabi plan on to learning arabic next wow

that's amazing honestly may you know i'm really grateful to hear that and grateful for you sharing that i appreciate it and and you'll love the arabic language learning is amazing regardless any language and arabic is such a profound and rich language of the world that has such a past to it it opens up so many doors and yeah and i think you know when you learn arabic you will see that the quran it will really hit you um i've heard from people how they say the guru granth sahib people who can understand

guru mukhi and things that they speak of how it has impacted their lives and how it can you know hits them and i can tell you that the quran it hits so powerfully in its native tongue it's just it has an amazing and a kind of enveloping flow and and and words to it meaning that kind of and it's always i mean you can translate things always but then it's never quite the same even with just other literature translating is never quite the same

but shukren once again and i appreciate that and shukran for the for the super chat right so yep and i'm just going through some of these questions of course what's this sajad who's saying that's not imam sheikh sajad was saying is it allah is a legend by the way uh somebody people who ask about learning shaykh hussain who teaches a sacred texts institute an amazing person to study from he

teaches and he is related to me as well i think it's it's unfortunate for he must get loads of slack he's related to me but yeah he's a great person so but i take it's not that one so yep somebody's saying do you live close to a pub i do i live close to more than one pubs but you know people the whole world is there for you to embrace it allah not to mean go to a pub that's that's that's taking the totally

wrong meaning to what i'm saying sorry for being a semi-troll i'm also a fan of you um i appreciate it um right there was a poem i had here somewhere i did think you know what i saw this poem ah shall we i don't know if we should this is one of ani badayuni funny funny in arabic means perishing from the word okay

so as i would tell you using see to advise you to self to annihilate the ego and the love of god before you perish by his command but he says um

i suppose we'll read that another day because i think we've kind of moved on from that point otherwise he'll just keep going back but he's an epic poet i i tell you who i have been going through recently as well that's uh abdul hamid adam i absolutely love abdulhamid he's amazing honestly oh his poetry he really ah let me think of some that he um that he says he really uh he likes to provoke as well you see he's one of those provocative but that's the poets do that you see the poets do that

because it's it's power it's a paradox it's the motif of paradox that is adopted in poetry so what they do is they they it's they tease easily they tease with this motif of power of of the paradox of taboo that they push the boundaries of taboo to unsettle but then to reconnect you with the divine because especially when they're speaking about divine stuff you'll get

people like um abdul hamid adam he says are many all of them me and all these people they have this constant trope of uh of the taboo and they they intertwine that into the paradox so they will so for example me saying um

uh what's his says you see that after there is it's actually in a classical arabic word as well meaning a kind of temple of but he's using it to differentiate it from muslims

[Music] you see all of a sudden he says after leaving the day that temple meed has come to the kaaba and and that's you see it's taking this avenue and then what he does is he he applies the paradox pushing the table he says jisco whosoever god wants he corrupts and you're like what you see it's the volta it's the turn that you think you're not expecting it

but in that taboo what he's doing it's the it's the the paradox of profanity but he's pushing your your kind of safety zone your comfort to make you question once again that you're not just falling into meaningless superstitious worship are you that ultimately it is still god you see because he's affirming god it's it's a huge it's an immensely you know when you go into the the the the kind of

the algorithm of what the poets are doing it's very deep it's not just like some people they oh my god that sounds profane on some levels of course it's superficially profane but that's how they you see that's how they get in to make you question once again existentially and not just to simply blindly submit but to holistically submit to the will of god it's amazing and you see abdul hamid adam has loads like that as well and he says

that in what environment with what truthfulness what wow what did we remember [Laughter] says that he says it was at the doorstep of the place of idolatry

is a place where idols are killed one could also say it's it's a term the poets used for you know for beautiful people for women that were had of astounding uh beauty they used to call them but as well in urdu and also which also means an idol because they were kind of it's the same it's the reason goddesses are called that but that's what you'll deposit but he's saying that at the doorsteps of this place of idolatry of idols i remembered god

allah you see once again like just tampering on the profane bringing in the paradox but thereby reminding you of the divine it's it's incredible and they do that and they do it so effectively and they don't want you to get lost in in these symbols they want you to understand that there is a crater like don't get lo don't lose yourself in the symbols try to aspire to something higher the divine so this is why the the kaaba is often a common motif

a common trope used in urdu poetry so abdul hamid adam in that same poem i believe he goes on to say um he says um there see the deer and the kaaba is often one the juxtaposing of the two as a motif amongst many urdu legendary poets like all of these often me

you know so all these kind of people mom and khan mummy and all these great people will use this adam so he says [Laughter] so he says that he says that amongst the temple i found god you see that even if i was surrounded by idols he's saying that i saw my connection with god it

i found it in a place where you'd least expect it you see you've you're lost in the world you're in all these things you're submer you know you're submerged you're drowning you all these things are happening this is not the place you'll find god but he found god he said never give up on hope that and then he juxtaposes it with the paradox of the prophet

he says and what is the in the cupboard there's a stone the black stone you see showing that don't take your piety for granted you don't want to become somebody that is ultimately no different because of your arrogance it's as though you're just worshiping a stone that whatever and whenever we remembered it was always

on point and with great accuracy see oh it's amazing honestly i could just get lost in poetry for for so long i i get into like in you know when i hear it i guess i get proper excited it like brings me to life it animates me i love listening to this kind of poetry and listening to people talking about it and

so what's going on what's somebody saying farid is just repeating the words of the other guys around him understanding flexibility of the mind absorbing its worlds and signs you know what let's break that circle of toxicity okay show these people some love okay show them what the true message ought to be about

see we're not on that plane there's nobody on that floor we are on a different plane of consciousness the dean should boost your life with positivity compassion and love and if it hasn't done that then you need to start looking at why not and people may be stuck let's you know may allah grant them happiness as well i mean

you know may allah make them smile keep them happy as well they're obviously stuck in some rut you understand they need to just let go to surrender i tell you you know a lot of people that are stuck in this kind of religious toxicity their souls are hurting there's a pain deep down they don't understand it but

it's there it's hurting them now may allah make it easy for each and all may make it easy for all there is a suffering and then these people because of that suffering they can't see the light they can't see there's just too much and the the answer is right there in front of them all along it is just about islam let go

surrender the pain will stop allah see that's it's always been right there it's always the help has been elena closer to us than the jugular vein but we're too caught up in our webs but yeah let's mufti saab can you give a big big up for

pakistan cricket team semi-finals this uh yeah inshallah they're gonna do it so this is it pakistan all right you know what it really pla needs that song of uh what is it what junoon they did the best one ever the cover for any that should be the pakistani anthem you know that what is it that

that that is the best i have to say ever track i've heard uh that is patriotic for pakistan as in speaking about pakistan um it should definitely be taken up as the anthem ah right so let's people let's move on to the discussion of alright jordan peterson [Music]

i don't know if i'd call myself a sufi but this is the path people the path right so there was a a very needed discussion between jordan peterson and mustafa akio on islam christ and liberty so i watched this i found it very interesting i must say i i appreciated the fact that this discussion happened i think there were many um

many topics i would love for them to have factored into it but naturally obviously time is sensitive and there's only so much they can discuss given a certain time frame now so what they do is they begin the conversation there's and those of you that haven't watched it it's it's very amicable there clearly seems to be a sense of dignified respect and i think this i really this is something i've really enjoyed that there was a mutual flow a bi-directional flow of mutual

dignified of respect and a reciprocity of acknowledging each other's opinions i really uh i thought wow i i liked that because i felt you know i'm not watching a debate i'm not watching two people taking digs at each other i'm watching two intelligent people have a conversation like two people would over a cup of coffee and really get into that conversation you know where the real talk happens in life

so and you're watching it and they're going and they hey what about this and you know this is like this and so i i loved the the dynamics were spot on i think uh i don't know whether they knew each other before and that assisted in that um maybe but but that definitely is an absolute plus point so you know absolute 10 out of 10 marks for the dynamism between themselves the topics i think um that were discussed mainly they seem to reflect um christology in the sense how how do

christology from a muslim perspective how do muslims view christ and how do they get around the divinity aspect now to be fair that topic i i it's not necessarily something that gets my engine going it's not something which i think is such a um you know like an amazing topic for me as a person so i i found the topic i'd probably give it something um just maybe like about six out of ten the topic but i can understand why jordan peterson was doing it

because he was trying to bring a perspective which is the muslim perspective to his audience but then i suppose his audience are not necessarily christian although many are believers or maybe he feels that most of his audience are christians that's why he did this but i didn't think most of jordan peterson's audience are um you know like fervent christian whether they have a christian name or not so i don't know fair enough i i get it that's why he did it and that discussion it involved

things like they spoke about um the the character of christ within the christian and then muslim tradition and i must say i think there were some difficult questions that were presented to mustafa akiyal on um you know how do muslims respond to things like mustafa himself actually presented that muslims the quran affirms the quranic rhetoric it affirms jesus as the word of god

and then this obviously it would intrigue anyone so jordan peterson asks him that how do you reconcile that because how do you differentiate between the word of god and divinity and i think that's a very it was a it's a difficult topic but it's a it's a very intriguing discussion i don't think mustafa akhial gave that much time to it to that particular discussion maybe because of its nature that it's so complex and it's incredibly um difficult to it's quite amorphous in it by its nature it doesn't really

have a shape to it and trying to force it into a shape could obviously be uncomfortable even for for for any academic so yeah he does answer he gives some he says well look this has always been vague even for muslims and i i thought fair enough that that is true uh he does highlight that um that this he gives one response which i found very interesting he says that some people interpret the word of god because jesus embodied that

revelation in the sense that he was the walking talking revelation just as some person like the hadith says that the prophet sallallahu alaihi was the walking talking quran that you know quran as the hadith states that in some ways that jesus he was the good news because what are the gospels the gospels are you know really just incidents of what jesus was doing he's going here and he meets someone and he says this and he says that and i thought that's actually wow you know i really liked that the way he said

that this word that has been given to god what was interesting he doesn't he didn't mention this part is that many muslim including ibn ashur the great maliki legend and my indirect teacher through i have an ejazza to his quran and his teachings but the the gran the grand mufti of the malikiah in the 20th century history which is 30 volumes he writes that this is a this is a reflection of what is in the gospel of john he says that in the

gospel of john it says in the beginning there was the word and the word was with god and the word was god but the word you know it he says that this is it's echoing that um if i recall correct because he highlight not that you see now he doesn't go into it too much but he's highlighting that what the quran is showing it's kind of welcoming christians and this is ibrahim and i believe actually even fakhruddin may highlight some of that as well but the other simple explanation many muslim

facilities give is that oh this was the command that as in be because he didn't have a a father those who take that view which is the majority so they say that this was the command but then you see it it raises more questions because then they also believe the same thing about adam but they don't call adam the word of god so why not and then in that case why don't they call the world the word of god because the world came into existence and so it has it you see nobody really seems to answer this question with a lot of substance uh historically as well there's a lot of um

it's quite amorphous the whole thing it's not structured um yeah i would also add to that i mean they are saying it but i would kind of also funnel in this that you see this was to show that you can believe that jesus is the word of god you can believe that without embracing a divinity about him and i think this was one of the reasons that the quran was using this language towards the christians because it doesn't use this language for

anyone else not even for adam or so people saying well this is because he was created without a father or someone they also believe that about adam but they don't say that they don't refer to him as the word of god and the word of god is really a christian theme you know this logos and they see jesus as this kind of embodiment and what mustafa dr mustapha akhial does highlight is that it's how the muslims also see the quran as the word of god so in some ways it's like saying jesus

was the word of god but muslims don't worship the quran you see muslims don't we don't bow down to the quran and things like that in that sense i mean unless somebody is using it metaphorically as the command of god or the inspiration or the word but we don't worship the quran we worship god so in many ways what i would have also kind of um um kind of footnote added as a footnote to that conversation is that you see the quran was

bringing to the the foresight of christians that come to a common word between us you know come the quran is not islam is not against you many christians it's it's interesting that many cro subject to many studies many christians have said that the only reason they are christian is because of christ if christ was not this figure that they wouldn't see the appeal in christianity

so keeping that sentiment in mind the quran is saying that look even if you want to call him the word of god the quran is calling him the word of god but we don't worship him we only worship god you see and i think even though it is left vague but it's it's done like that with the purpose to extend that welcoming hand to these people who were the recipients of the quran who were kind of listening to the quran they could

understand it but they were christians and just to remind them that this is a continuation of the abrahamic faith so i think that discussion was really i mean it's a very complex discussion um it was raised i dr mustafa does answer it he does give some of these points it is difficult so i don't know how much more he could have answered but it could have had a bit more of a discussion to it but i feel the problem is uh people may think that you know oh my god we're trading in murky waters you know like they feel uncomfortable discussing it because they just don't you know they they just feel that i don't know because

because everybody in the past has also been a bit um you know they've not not left a coherent statement they've said many different things but it's not really coherent every answer leaves more questions i'm answered so yeah so there was that part um there was um he is dr he does say that the quran highlights the character of jesus the character of mary these personalities uh highlights them very specifically emphasizes them um which unquestionably is true and he

also does highlight that maybe in many ways it's better to juxtapose islam to judaism than it is to christianity because there's many more similarities between islam and judaism than there are between islam and christianity although there are similarities between islam and christianity too and i thought that was a a very interesting and uh a very interesting point that definitely rings true on many um in on many instances so i see what he's saying and he and he highlights that the prophet moses muslim is the most prominent um

personality and character that is mentioned in the quran and i think yeah that's true you know the prophet musa al-islam is definitely the most recurring prophet in the quran who is spoken of so yeah that was fascinating and just highlighting that there is not just a judeo-christian tradition but a a judeo-christo islamic tradition i thought that was really good then there was a lot of discussion between the two about totalitarianism and that totalitarianism is really a problem and it is independent of faith so you

could have just as you have chairman mao you've had hitler you've had stalin you've had these people in the 20th century they are quite independent from religion even if they did have a faith of some sort but really this is totalitarianism you know fledged out so to highlight and attack religions based on that so i thought that was a a a you know a wonderful point that's being reminded once again there was the discussion i i'm glad they did tackle the point of uh um of the prophet salallahu al-islam and wars

because jordan peterson has in the past described the prophet as a warlord and i think that's um i think that's insensitive okay because especially because i i i deem jordan peterson to be you know absolutely intelligent so intelligent i you know i'm so profound and i find him mesmerizing so for somebody of such high esteem to be incent when you know because i know he has much more than the capacity and understanding to be sensitive so when he

speaks of um so when he's asked the question do you believe in god and then he will say well you know i behave as though i like to behave as though somebody watching me would would think i believe in god or something like this and and you know when he's asked certain questions his comment reply will be like well that would take me 40 hours to unpack that

so i just feel given all of that some kind of sensitivity is always you know just a propriety but i i i wouldn't it's not that i'm holding that against i'm just saying you know for somebody who is very well versed and intelligent and sensitive about topics like the discussion of god and so that maybe it's just you know but anyway i'm glad they brought that up and doctor akal mustafa does reply he does highlight that look um um he says that

that the prophet's battles were defensive which is absolutely the point i mean nobody really disagrees with that the prophet's battles in islam were defensive they were not offensive battles and the one or two are the history that comes with them are preemptive defense battles so the prophet hears that such and such armies are getting ready and if we don't act we're going to be attacked here so why don't we go out

to a certain point and await them there for example one of the final battles so this is it is as a preemptive um preemptive um expedition where they go to a place and await but it is still in defense now this is sometimes not known or sometimes it's maybe it's known but not given much attention so dr mustafa does highlight that and i'm glad he does he he quotes the verses i'm glad he quotes the verses that look

at the first verse of jihad that permission has been granted to those who are oppressed that they now may take up arms and that was after over a decade of persecution so i'm glad he highlighted that because that was really well done um he then you see he he right okay so after that dr mustapha akhil highlights that you see the companions after the prophet take on this expansionism um

idea and really all the offensive jihad begins with them you see i would disagree personally um i would you see to me islam is not a pacifist faith it has a military element to it but then you know many mechanisms and do in the world just as nation states today do we wouldn't you wouldn't picture a state today without its capacity for power and in fact you know dr peterson speaks jordan speaks about this a lot himself that it's not you see it's the capacity he speaks

about the capacity to be a monster but choose not to that is the empowering element and it's not the fact that you don't have a choice that you you couldn't be a monster even if you wanted to because then you're just harmless and nobody cares you see it's it's the potential and it's not islam has never denied that potential but it's not this it's not been an aggressive this kind of um violator that in that some people have drawn caricatured islam to be now

the companions after the prophet sallallahu alaihi it's not you know if you study the history it's not yes there are it is there's a lot of military expeditions taking place but it's not like that hey everybody's living nice and peaceful they're just having picnics and the muslim armies are coming in oh let's go on horseback and oh let's throw spears at these people and it's nothing like that nothing i mean in a workers time which is a very

short span just over two years it's the internal tribes of arabia that are kind of declaring themselves and and trying to rebel and create insurgencies and oh bucket is faced with the challenge of how do i suppress insurgencies how do i and i can only do it by showing by meeting might with might but in um there is this this expansion takes place but where it takes place into the middle east into the levant region but that region has been bubbling with war for decades before islam

you know you've had the rasanids and the lachmans and who are the arab tribes constantly fighting and constantly and it wasn't just because remember many of these factions have tribes within arabia neighboring the hijas within tihama within nudge you're going to have kinder that are based here and kinder that are based up there and you're going to have many of uh

up in the north but also have you know many other uh factions in within hijab it's not this you see the fighting has been going on long before islam haruba basu is going on for 40 years prior to islam you know this is not something which which we've covered in all things that you're going to have that you know taglib and and the whole thing of salim uh avenging you know and the whole thing about the statement it became a proverb

nobody can overcome tuggling because they're just this ruthless bloodthirsty and the famous proverb islam that uh oh sorry putting it the other way that if it was not for islam that taglib would have consumed and eaten up all of the arabs so it's not that you see fighting it's a very volatile region but two great dynasties are have kind of collapsed or they are coming to their collapse

the the brink so the wrong has really lost its prestige long lost it and persia has really is it's it's in its final breaths you see and those kingdoms are also the arab client kingdoms are also decimated because in uh around the time of the hijra that what you have is um you know the great last mid king is is killed because he he insults the the kisrah you

know the king of persia for not allowing his uh his sister to be married off because he asked he proposes and in his famous statement that don't you have any cows of the push says are they no more cows left in persia for you to marry that you now need to look at the arabs and this obviously enrages kisrah and he has him assassinated and this then uh it destabilizes the lachman dynasty which then it becomes a power grab so and and and they've got places in bahrain and so what i'm trying to state

here is it's not there's a lot of gorilla warfare taking place what they would call the ghazwa there's a lot of these razawat and it's not like this picture that oh this civilized society like let's just say you've got europe today you know there isn't really a war taking place and all of a sudden the muslims just suddenly one day with daybreak you see these armies coming and they're throwing spears and they take off it was nothing like that so yes expansion continued but it wasn't in this kind of bloodthirsty sense

it was given the context its natural kind of habitat it was a very volatile wall struck um land the near east and this is why they don't seem to keep going you see once those volatile regions are stabilized the muslims don't seem to keep going they could have kept going they don't they just have truce and it's not that they didn't have armies or they lacked the zeal so i just felt that part i didn't i felt was a bit uh i don't know me as a person i didn't really

um agree so much with the thought that as soon as the companions came in it turned into some kind of uh um i do agree that obviously with dynasty and dynasties there was a lot more expansionism but but that too even the the bunny omaya and they're not this kind of uh they roughly just stabilize they don't keep this kind of there's some little battles here and there but they're not this kingdom that is out on this you know this this kind of witch hunt for infidels and and doing they're not at all

so that so but bringing that in anyway so that was an interesting part of the conversation and so overall there was a bit of a talk about wahhabis and wahhabis why the wahhabis have got the upper hand today because of the petrol dollars and um uh yeah so that's definitely a truth that wahhabism has obviously spread because of what it has but people you know it is what it is but it's definitely politics and i think mbs has changed a lot of that in saudi arabia which is something good that mbs has done i'm grateful because

you know it's really all the deen ought to really be about the human connection you ought to be about love it ought to be about that compassion and you see where classical wahhabism was coming from that's never going to happen because it's just coming from a place of justice and it's not you know it's just and the fact that mbs has kind of neutralized a bit of that or a lot of it is i think very you know that's at least something good so that part was discussed how the west is not innocent and how they've played a role in the spread of this kind of

ideology by supporting saudi arabia by doing so this was overall i think it was a it was a it was a great discussion i wish they had discussed other parts but but the fact that the dialogue has now begun that was the most important thing and i think um if jordan peterson i hope he continues this with other muslims and definitely i hope he brings on sheikh hamza yusuf i heard you know sheikh hamza yusuf kind of i heard allahu alam that he cancelled it because he was getting too much pressure from the muslims which i think come on for

the love of god don't let people dictate your you know something like this because it's a dialogue it's something so beneficial i um i don't think shying away just because some people are don't like jordan peterson for example um but they i heard this allahu alam that was the reason hamzees have backed out i've heard now muhammad has had a dialogue with him i'm glad i mean i think you know have he needs to have a dialogue with many people and just keep on going and then of course when then of course he needs to allow a mind trap discussion when the

time comes i i think it would be an amazing discussion to to to have that out with jordan peterson just to discuss because i think what he has done is he has restored confidence in people to believe in god he has made it okay for you to be a believer and i don't think you know i don't know if people agree with me but really i feel he is one of the key people of the 21st century to have done that i don't know of any person that has done that other than him in in our lifetime that is non-muslim because you know muslims don't count on

the international uh philosophical scale they don't unfortunately so when atheists and scientists and this and that because muslims are still you know developing they're not quite so they don't count on that discussion so in recent years and definitely in the last decade and two decades it has definitely been very unfashionable to believe in god and it's almost because it almost become embarrassing for a person to say that they believed in god and i don't mean by this muslims muslims can say it but the greatest society you see the

majority of the world is not muslim you have to understand that the majority of the world is non-muslim okay so many people had become embarrassed especially in intellectuals especially philosophers especially thinkers scientists um you know leaders they had become embarrassed to say that they believe in god because the the crackdown by especially the you know neo atheism um the militant atheism by the four you know the horsemen as they call themselves you know people like hitchens

i i mean i adore hitchins for for his tenacity and his his thing people like sam harris people like these people richard dawkins these people and i suppose to some extent dan dennett these people following on from the likes of carl sagan they obviously are great thinkers great thinkers and i absolutely you know i applaud their thinking that these people are profound minds but they had really hammered in this thought that it is absurd to believe in a god and that

you know science is the solution and anybody that's trying to even raise their head to science doesn't have a chance you know they and and that's true there was nobody in the that could speak internationally that could bring any sense of dignity to the concept of faith in a sec on the secular sphere i don't mean within muslim circles or muslim scholars muslim scholars to muslim obviously muslims are muslims they really believe in god so but on the international scale where most people

are not muslim and most scientists are not muslim and most thinkers are you know from the technological kind of breakthroughs and all these things going on in the world are not muslims so they they found it embarrassing to believe in god or to say that i believe in god and jordan peterson i feel changed that he he really brought about a dialogue that meant hmm actually you know he was the abu valid to ibn hassam i have to say he was the kind of the kind of show stopper for atheism that he kind of

made them this is in my uh my thoughts so this is why i rate him so highly obviously i understand a lot of people don't like him as well each is entitled to their own but so overall i'm really grateful for the thing and i thought i'd give it an overview and a review so people let's move on to your questions i'll also share the link if anyone wants to jump on we can do that and and then we can wrap up i'll get the link uh all right we got it sharing in the chat

see it okay it's gone alright there's the link people after i got a question ago if you study the quran 300 because that proof exists for one second just imagine god created us yeah there are a lot of thinkers who are religious out there too absolutely so just look i'm not saying there many people don't believe in god they do but they became embarrassed to openly acknowledge so for example politicians wouldn't openly acknowledge

i suppose in some places actually that's the opposite with politicians but generally i suppose in this there's many on the especially i'm speaking in internationally okay and people who speak english and people who are not muslim okay most people may believe in god and but they felt really hammered by atheism and anybody who's been following that would understand what i'm saying i mean i've been following it for years for for over a decade and i could see it i could see it in dialogues i could see

it in in discussions i could see the nobody was a match for these people nobody i i not felt a single person handled some hurries the way jordan peterson did not a single person i've seen you know somehow till date he you know i'm not saying you see you could still think oh this person won in your mind but if the public generally would think um you know because they because they they're good at what they do let's just be honest they're good at what they do and

but jordan peterson just changed the game and i love what he did you see he brought in philosophy psychology he brought in literature he brought in archetypes he brought in the subconscious mind he brought in consciousness you see people i remember deepak chopra trying to speak with sam harris about consciousness and and deepak chopra is good on that but still you know it's it's hard you needed somebody that was incredibly eloquent and effective with their words and that could back it up with studies and that's what what happened there cool uh right okay i think we've got

some sure people some somebody said they don't think people were embarrassed fair enough i mean maybe they would i mean this is just my subjective uh you know my subjective take from how i felt that people were but maybe you feel that no people weren't really embarrassed maybe you feel that jordan peterson didn't really do anything maybe you feel that it's absolutely fine it's just an opinion it's not the word of god this is just me saying this is how i saw it

maybe i'm i didn't see certain things and maybe i was blind to many others so okay right let me we've got matt matt is right how's it going i can't hear you one moment can um let me just check that my thing is working is it me or i'll just go into audio just check right just one second i think it might be my earphone so just one second i'm just going to

connect that back up it might be that it needed reconnecting just a second whilst i do that people okay that's hopefully connected hello hello can you hear me now all right i can't matt bienvenidos welcome well where are you sorry where are you joining us from uh brisbane australia i just wanted to say i've actually been a um uh been a fan of your content for a

while we don't agree on everything but i um i really enjoy the way that you put points across and uh the personality bring um i think that you're definitely something that brings a lot of positivity to the world in general so um yeah thank you man i appreciate that yeah i i'm an atheist myself but um okay i was actually kind of wondering uh like for yourself what it is that you find convinces you of the existence of god or i can say allah if you prefer sure

whatever name we call him by so right if i was to say the defining thing that really um that makes that gives me a sense of certainty that god exists it is truly consciousness right i feel that um you see the profundity of consciousness it transcends not only any understanding but any simple

materialness of this world and if that exists to me it it definitely guides us back to to the transcendent to the divine yeah because it's just it's not you see because it's so profound just you know it's like we are it's like the lights are on yeah it's like we are online it's like animals are like all let's say because i suppose consciousness can be a kind of spectrum so you know there's some there's obviously this awareness it's difficult

to also it's like one of those things like love it's difficult to kind of absolutely pin down but we can we know what we're talking about but it's difficult to always put into words um now there's some kind of consciousness if we're saying an awareness a reflexivity you know at a plant level within nature and then animal kingdom and and it's kind of rising but then it comes to a point where it's all of a sudden it's like it's online and i like that analogy that some people use for it this online offline kind of uh metaphor and so

and and it's just something so i mean i i i get it it's uh it doesn't have to um lead someone to god necessarily but i i feel it's difficult not to if one follows the path of consciousness yeah now i can kind of understand that view like it's um a consciousness is something which is uh very different to everything else um sorry but it is something

and yeah if if we did have like a fairly good understanding of how consciousness can rise like materialistically though do you think that would be something that would sway you in your views or is it maybe something that is uh maybe deeper or more important than consciousness or you see you see you see this thing that if we did have something that is let's say

this this question if we did have a more detailed explanation explanation of consciousness yeah you see i it's not that if we did have i because i am you see to me it's a certainty like it's almost a certainty i could say that that this consciousness is not it's i understand what if we could explain how it happens you see but that's that would be the whole thing in and of itself because that the the kind of offset to that question

is coming from a perspective that to me it's it's kind of missing the grandeur of life it wouldn't be that way you would never be able to explain it in that way because to me and i feel that many physicists make be exploring this direction as well especially bernard bernard carr is and i mean he's an associate was an associate of stephen hawkins and that consciousness is actually within the cosmos and that it's perhaps what joins he feels m theory with the multiverse theory that the missing m being mind that according to string theory

you see even gravitation i mean gravity uh as posited by string theorists it's something that is possibly going through dimensions hence it's such a strong such a weak force because the weak force of gravity is still quite inexplicable like we can't understand exactly why gravity is a weak force um and and one explanation what's within this dimension or do you mean a weak force like do you mean that it goes because it is actually quite mentioned because it's a weak force or because it's go through multiple dimensions it's a weak force within there so this that that's that is the

response or the hypothesis of many string theorists that it's possibly a weak force because it's coming through diverse dimensions to us but even okay but even when you're looking at how we understand reality so you're just looking at reality yeah as as physics science as hard science understands it so it understands it in this sense that there are at least 10 if not 11 dimensions to existence um which obviously we just can't understand already because it just you know it's already like what the hell does that even mean and

then what we're saying is well at the essence of everything is most likely i mean it's just vibration yeah it's just vibration of just being we we don't know obviously we're calling it a string let's say but it's just this vibration which is then giving rise to something which is giving rise to some subatomic particle which is giving rise to matar and so on and obviously the whole you know higgs field and then so on all these different particles but what we are saying in essence from physics is that you me everything for the most part is just empty space

yeah now that you see even that it's something like no none of us would really ever believe in that if it wasn't just a given statement in science because it sounds so absurd so i feel that yeah from an intuitive perspective even even not even from an yeah from an intuitive but even really like it's just because we know it to be true otherwise we would really struggle to accept that really everything is for the most part just empty space it's nothingness and and i feel that you know in that is a

humbling truth that this nothingness is something that this and this is that if a person can accept that as they can on this level it guides to well wow you know this profundity of it guides to the transcendent because even with life you see life now obviously one of the you know the elephant in the room is that life is obviously with dna but dna is information and thereby its very essence requires

the intelligibility of being which obviously the i mean yeah because kind of like because dna is like it's kind of information like it's not like the same piece of information as yeah like it it is information but it's kind of like um like let's say uh water was flowing down a mountain right um and as it's flowing down it's coming across certain resistances as it flows down the mountain and so eventually

that flow of water will create a path or you know a stream as it goes down and it's kind of similar to dna in the way that it is no because you see no because the dna is advising on how the proteins should be constructed so it's actually telling it's actually dictating it's informing uh you know the rna and it's informing the the it's actual information on what to do and what proteins to synthesize which will then result in what kind of blocks so it's not just a it's not about an obstacle it's an actual dictation it's saying do this

so this is it's coding it's in essence it's coding so it's it's coding of any nature whether it's you know coding on a computer it's software in essence now they could be very simple software very basic coding at a very primordial sense of life or they could be very complex coding um life as we know it today but yeah it you see that's i'm not saying that this then but i'm not saying a person has to see that and think okay there must be a god you know what i'm saying is yes it definitely brings that question like the elephant in the room that wait a minute if there

is information if the bit precedes the it right as it's been put forward as it's been posited in the theory that the bit does seem to precede the it because it then dictates how the it is to be formed so in that case being with a capital b has intelligibility to and this is obvious the whole thing of tillak speaking of the fact that being has intelligibility of it is indicative that there is you know that this is coming in with intelligence now i understand it's not you know it's

not like uh it's not to say well you know there will still be faith there will always be faith it's not to say well this is you know once a person hears this they can only say you know anybody who says you can only go one way or the other it's no it's it's always be a question of faith yeah but i do feel that that coming back to that also that voice you know building of consciousness that voice within these things are ultimately what guide people to this way are to the path of you know leads in search of the divine it's usually from

one being away that consciousness and then from that this voice within us because there is this kind of voice that we find within us and and it's just too real to be just random and meaningless so from within and i'm not sure if this would be maybe your view but like from the islamic perspective like obviously we can all see that there's a lot of different religions around the world yeah and um people from within those different faiths are going to have the same sort of inner voice that leads them in the

guidance for their own religion um so is that more so maybe um like like because i know from the islamic perspective they believe that uh that god sent messages messengers across the world so do you think maybe that would be um like again from the islamic perspective with the crime being the completely unaltered version like of the wordings from god would that then maybe make the other religions essentially um the

older um messages or the messages yeah so i mean islam generally the i mean there's this obviously there's as many interpretations as people but many scholars always write as the quran states itself that look that there's been there's there's always been these prophets that have come to people and they always come to a people that they are native to and then god mentions some examples in the quran says we've only mentioned a few examples there's so many we you know we don't we have not mentioned them

but there's been people in all times that have come now so yes so i mean that's so many people have said many people have said that look for example uh buddha uh you know would have been a prophet um according to islamic teachings that he would have been a prophet as uh zarathustra would have been a prophet or let's say socrates was a prophet these kind of discussions have happened uh on many occasions in the islamic literature in the past obviously these people have long been i mean there are you know historical figures so people are saying well when we look at their messages this

is what we see we feel that that would have been a divine how people followed it and how it turned out obviously is something that is up for debate but they would feel that these people were divinely some people would i'm sure some people would say that no we don't think so maybe not and but there's always been that room to say well look god has that there's always been prophets of god that have been inspired in different places and have um and then spoken to their people the the issue of religion that you know there's so many different religions that you ask of course

now this is really the human journey you see it's not god's it's see this is there will always be you see it's not human beings it's not just human beings it's nature it's they will always be conflict there will always be some kind of um antagonism some kind of competition um for the for for life in and of itself to thrive even with ideas they must compete for them to thrive you know this is it's it's at every scale it's at a the human level it's that life you know just life

in nature and it's at an ideological level with ideas as well with concept that there's always this kind of that's just seems to be the law of of of things so yes people have you know people will say well oh but religions disagreeing themselves um i would feel that in essence many religions ultimately in essence essence that the kind of core of them the nectar of them would be saying very similar things obviously that the kind of layers around them become different um and that may be in part with culture maybe in part with where they are in the world and what they so for example some

religions one of the key divergence that you study in philosophy of religion is it's either what they call i mean some have termed it eastern the eastern religions versus western religions some call it you could simply call it the abrahamic faiths or you know the but then it doesn't contrast it with something so the east west that is often given is those religions that uh relied upon reason to to like they definitely embodied reason whether they always followed it through is a question for debate but they at least asserted that they were built on

on reason now versus those that were built entirely on the absurd or and by absurd i don't mean something being silly but the concept of the philosophical absurd that it was never about making sense it was about just the experiential and it was never to make sense so you know things like the that would be buddhism hinduism that kind of uh that group of uh beliefs we it will say things like things are not what they seem nor are they otherwise now that in and of itself even though it's you've understood the

words but what am i even saying it's but it's about levels exactly and it's about embracing that philosophical absurd and it's not about reason so even from this split it's about maybe what civilizations needed at a certain time you see i would feel that the ancient civilizations in the far east that they at a certain time it was about the mystique it was about purely about that the philosophical absurd but what happens is humanity is at a certain point in in human history to be where religion is to be rooted in reason and

this obviously begins with the whole judeo-christian and then islamic traditions that then set humanity onto a trajectory for unification because i definitely feel that the the three greatest things that have set humanity on to this unification uh trajectory have been as yuval harari highlights that they've been uh it has been religion it has been empire and it has been a currency i mean these things have ultimately kind of unified uh humanity and and maybe we're we're heading towards a greater unity yet

yeah and time to come do you think we see the inner voice you were speaking of before and with the other religions potentially all having levels of inspiration like um i guess even even when it comes to though considering like from people who are similar to myself who don't hold an active belief in any you know gods or spirituality like um i guess that probably i don't know your view but um maybe that wouldn't be exclusionary to having the inner voice but um

then that would likely preclude um the inner voice being from having the messenger and would just be like i'm just trying to guess from your view would be that's just yeah i know i'm saying that these are you see there are many things um along this journey that you know this journey of life there are many things that will be that are symbols of the transcendent of the divine um now they they may be there as an aide they may be there to to guide they may be there and maybe ignored

so this so for example an inner voice uh for example creation in and of itself as as immanuel kant would say you know this the starry heavens above or the moral code within whether it's going to be consciousness whether it's going to be other intricacies so for example the question that mathematicians have raised that it's interesting that you see is this world a simulation that you know in the simulation theory that what they've said that okay is it if so let's work it backwards that if it were to be a simulation what

would you expect to find like what could you catch out now according to that hypothesis the things that they would expect they seem to be finding and hence it's so they seem to be finding because you'd expect certain coding in the cosmos and certain forces to behave in a certain way in certain mathematical patterns to be in certain things and they seem to be finding i mean you could just watch several i mean neil degrasse tyson has a a lot of uh panel conferences on it they're on youtube with mathematicians giving lengthy kind of presentations on it so you would if you just you can watch that i i in fact everybody should watch it's very interesting so

you see there are many signs or symbols i i would say symbols i prefer that word or science or whatever and they're all there and maybe some help others more than others maybe some don't help at all maybe it's but one thing for sure is a very personal journey um people to some people through things like mindfulness through exploration they have experienced certain planes and of consciousness that are undeniable to them um you know some people through uh through other measures have

experienced that whether it's in fact there's a documentary i'll i'll speak about it on maybe next week through some of these the sacred medicines for example uh things there's a documentary called 5meo the movie and even though the documentary isn't necessarily um it's not hyping the it's just a documentary about three friends who set off to to explore this and and it's just following their journey but it's not necessarily speaking in favor of sacred medicine such as these psychedelics like five meow but it's uh at the same time it's not negating it it's just kind of leaving it for the

viewer now it's very interesting that these ancient traditions as well that go back thousands of years um as with other traditions that have done this through meditation or mindfulness or within the muslim tradition as well certain people with thicker and this kind of you see it's interesting because thicker can mean uttering remembering but it can also mean mindful this mindfulness and that people they actually experience um and and what they experience is obviously it's subjective but it's you see it's more real than real and for that person it becomes

impossible to deny what they have experienced and i know to the other that they haven't experienced it so they see that you know well this is just your experience you could be hallucinating you could be this you could be that and true that's to the other until they tasted and then all of a sudden yeah do you think though if so if people are having these different experiences like um is that like i understand how convincing it is to the person who has the experience but um a lot of the experiences people have are very different to one another um like there's not that level of

consistency of you know what they went through which why would we seek out you see we shouldn't be it is all about the individual person and their journey it is not to mirror or to replicate or to clone another i mean obviously you have pathways you will have structures you will have societies you will have you know you will have faith guidelines you will have religions that are guiding you but your experience is is your very own and it's for yours to cherish yeah yeah i i definitely agree that like um i mean if everyone was just having the

same experience it would be less of a special thing to do but um the reason i asked that there was like four um like generally in at least you know um well most of the world that these days generally follows uh the scientific method for coming to terms with you know what is uh you know an accurate description of how reality works um and so when we look at it but but i've given that and we we don't really truly believe in it in our real world but we believe in it in a textbook version see like i told you we you and i are for

the most part not even here and yeah you see now really speaking completely though that's consciousness well which once again we have no idea where to begin yeah i i think though if we were to like if we were to construct um say an actual replica of a human right with you know fully functioning cells and all of that i imagine that more than likely that person would be conscious if we

were to you know ensure it was like a living uh creation right well i could i'd like to tell you look scientifically speaking that wouldn't be true you know how because homo sapiens have long existed before the cognitive revolution ex the exact same homo sapiens as us i don't mean neanderthals or heidelbergensis or these other variants i'm speaking about homo sapiens have gone back so the ancient so now we have at least homo sapien findings from at least 300 000 years in certain parts of the world whereas we know that the cognitive revolution of consciousness must have taken place anything between 70 to 100 000 years so

if you were to find a dead body of a homo sapien from let's say 150 000 years ago he would look identical to a let's say given whatever the regional features of a human being today you would not like let's say we clothed him you would think that is an absolute you wouldn't think he's a neanderthal you wouldn't have like a protruding brow or anything he'd look exactly like this so and he would have a brain just like ours the same capacity the same cc you know whether it's 1800 or whatever he would be exactly like us except he would not have consciousness

so what what is it that you mean by consciousness then like how are you saying isn't that the million-dollar question yeah well i i don't really know what differentiates us from like a dolphin or an octopus for example or um you know any of the other apes um we seem to have varying degrees of you know see matt that is weird that is where your journey begins not just yours each and all and this is why i've said that in this day and age it will be the path of consciousness that guides to the transcendent in just

trying to understand it just try to spend the coming whatever time you have in the future ponder reflect that what is consciousness why why is it special why what is you know homonyms have existed for so long they're not just and in fact consciousness to a great extent is counter evolution i mean it's counter productive evolutionarily speaking you see because we are much better at survival based on instincts than we are on consciousness because consciousness causes you to pause instinct an animal will hunt on instinct this is why it does what it does

it will hunt on how it's been built to hunt if it had to think you see thinking weakens you because it can make you also think compassionately it can make you slow you down it can make you you're not impulsively acting on instinct always so it's not productive to evolution obviously human beings have thrived because of consciousness but it's not productive as far as evolution is concerned now it just happens to be that yes we have taken it this way but that's like a fluke you know it's not going by yeah i'd definitely like challenge you

on that because instinct uh alone doesn't seem to be what we okay well yeah like all you have to do to to prove that you just have to put a human being that is conscious in the wilderness on his own and you'd have to put an animal and you can place your bets and i'll bet so much more money whatever you bet i'll double it and that the animal will outlive and out survive the human being if he's on an island brutal nature you place a human being and you place on a similar virtual thing let's say a chimpanzee or you place an animal

now the animal will out survive the human because it doesn't you see the consciousness will freak the hell out of you it will it will give you so much panic you see it's not you know when you're built to just move and survive that is all you're built for you do not pause and reflect and you you see as mark twain said that i've been through many terrible things in my life some of which actually happened most of our fears are in the our fears are kind of our conscious like we we imagine them people live in depression why you know

in studies done on primates primates that for example chimpanzees who are paralyzed don't undergo depression they don't become depressed they live just as happy why would a human being in that scenario become depressed because of consciousness because he becomes conscious and he thinks of the future and he thinks that well you know i'm going to live a miserable life i won't be able to do what that whereas the chimpanzee in the studies with bonobos they showed that they there was no varying degree to this objective well-being they remain just as happy and they remain just as playful and joyous regardless of becoming crippled you see human beings when you say does

consciousness in brutal nature the fact that we so you see the way it's happened is it's one consciousness has won the war and humans have thrived now you and i are living in that society where humans have thrived so therefore it's true we would now think consciousness but given just if you're just playing a game of chance you see nature is brutal do you know the marshmallow experiment that they perform on children to see um like to basically demonstrate their

ability for foresight and um suppressing their desire for something now so that they can get something oh yes yes yeah um it's good that you mentioned that because do you know the studies show that bonobo chimps when given the same study with withheld for the same amount of time as children which was the maximum 18 minutes now they showed that so bonobo had the same ex could exercise the same amount of self-restraint as a child could to refrain for a greater reward but not longer than 18 minutes however the bonobo outsmarted the child when it came to mirroring

on certain things with so for example when they gave them there were certain experiments where the child had to do something and they would get certain rewards and sometimes it was randomized and you couldn't see how it was happening but some had transparent kind of backing so you could see the hand of the experimenter doing something so you could tell oh he's doing this so this is not going to happen this time because you could see the hand the the bonobos when they could see the hand didn't they they recognized it and they could tell that oh this isn't going to happen whereas the child still couldn't so the bonobo chimpanzees uh could outperform the intelligence of a young human child

but it's only as we develop that we become obviously much more intricate and sophisticated yeah but do you think that that would be based on instinct then because if it's performed outside of the you know like normally i would say instinct would generally be something for you you know like uh it would be described as um something which creates an impulse to act right yes okay so just so just that's a good question just to kind of as a notation to clarify that so although i'm using the word instinct because i don't you know for lack of a better term

that's just me i don't mean by just purely impulsive instincts what i mean is you see the animals have a brain as well so they they have all the these kind of systems they have flight fight they have obviously the sensory motor sensory cortex they have all these visual cortex they have all the auditory cortex they have these things as well and obviously chimpanzees similar to some extent to humans obviously not as developed in the prefrontal cortex but still similar now it's not i don't mean by that they're just surviving based on a whim that it's just like an instinct to react obviously there are some deep mechanisms so even

primates and animals and even certain mammals have some concept of justice for example and morals and this you know um franz de wilde speaks about this in his book the bonobo and the atheist he highlights after decades of studies that look they have certain structures and they have a community concern and they they recognize structures they recognize hierarchies they also recognize some form of right and wrong they recognize punishments and they recognize these things there's obviously a sophisticated kind of mechanism at play but they're not and and so obviously they are conscious if it depends how if we're speaking about consciousness as a

spectrum then they are conscious but they're not you see we are at a point where we are online yeah and they are still offline consciousness rather than you see it's just that conscious no it's just that consciousness when we're using it in binary terms to say we have consciousness and animals don't we're not using it in that sense in the spectrum sense because it's like obviously life so when we speak of life obviously bacteria has life but we're not speaking you know when people say for example life is precious they're not in that particular context referring to bacteria or viruses

or things like this that are also alive but they're referring to let's say human life or maybe anime mammal life or they're not even referring to reptilians or uh or pests or you know so yes in one sense life is you know it's a continuum starting right down from single cells all the way up but when we're speaking in a certain setting we're speaking so when i'm saying consciousness i'm speaking about consciousness as we recognize it the precious the question mark consciousness but you're right if we're speaking as a spectrum of awareness and some form of consciousness then a lower level consciousness is there amongst animals

and more so amongst some than others like obviously dolphins and elephants and um obviously primates and even crows you know to some extent so it is there but it's still a very qualitatively different format it's not like how we have it so we have obviously something there's some kind of if i can say magic there's some kind of magical level dual makeover to human consciousness uh which is very different now that's what i meant i wasn't just speaking about sheer instincts that the animals are just kind of reactionary and but what i was saying is you see if the

purpose of evolution is to survive simply survive then nature which is brutal can survive much better without consciousness being like our sense of consciousness the magical consciousness being gifted because nature is very brutal to to be wired to survive is just the better way to do it with humans consciousness obviously we thrived in a totally different way but i'm just saying given the equation it seems counterproductive to survival in brutal nature obviously the way history worked out is humans did

thrive but yeah i mean these obviously to be fair we can never settle these in just a discussion but these are definitely fabulous points to ponder over and it's obviously look it's a question which nobody can you know i could say you know i've experienced something that somebody else could say you know they've experienced the presence of god they've experienced these things now i get it to that person it's well you know they've experienced this thing and so it's very it's more real than real somebody else could say well i haven't you know and

in my mind you know that's just it's subjective to you which which okay each person's journey for all we know for example one could argue that none of you really exist this is all just a dream in which you are just a figment of my imagination yeah and and you could say well that's not true because i exist but you could just exist within that imagination i mean you wouldn't be able to tell exactly oh no it's been epic match i i love the philosophical is it what is it you do by the way if you don't mind uh at the moment i'm a student um i used to run a

couple of businesses but um some not so great things happened and i decided for a career change so well maybe maybe maybe for much greater things to happen yet quite possibly a lot yeah absolutely so i really appreciate it appreciate i appreciate you coming on i appreciate the dialogue take care and i'm sure we'll speak soon stay in touch much love yeah thanks for uh the positivity you um you bring across um yeah i see when you post the shorts thank you i appreciate it i always click them to have a look so thank you and um sorry to hear it i know it was a while ago now but sorry to hear

about the um when the people came in yeah you know even even even crises have within them hidden blessings and many a blessing emerged following that so thank you once again i appreciate it take very good care of yourself and we'll speak soon people ladies and gentlemen that was matt from down under of ra very interesting discussions there quite a quite a few we went from some very complex topics to more complex topics get carried away this is my you see once i get talking i'm absolutely one of those people that you know i saw this meme where it said

uh i mean this is obviously with all uh maths discussions was so engaging but i'm saying besides that i'm one of those people i saw this meme where it said somebody's sitting and there's a chair and it said please do not talk to me because i have the he said because i'm unable to stop myself and i'll just talk for hours and get no work done that's what i'm like so okay who have we got here people um we've got life is now life is now people i like the message assalamu

who do we have where are you joining us from seattle washington um i wanted to really thank you um because i think you did a little video while back about not killing ex-muslims and i was really thinking about it because um actually i was an ex-muslim for about eight or nine years until like maybe september and of this year and yeah yeah like literally like like a couple months back um

and it was just uh like i was just thinking that you know imagine if i had been killed and i wouldn't be having the sweetness of faith that i feel now like how a i wonder if allah would have helped held that person accountable for what i could have what i'm experiencing now and not experience not having experienced it if you know what i mean and and oh sorry go ahead no don't please please carry on and be you know imagine how because my experience over the past two two months has been almost like you know a person who's been starved or

is like dehydrated to a very extreme extent finally finding an endless fountain of water and just being able to drink from it and not being able to fathom what did he deserve to find this fountain of water of this this saving grace in a weird way so anyway allah may love bless you bless your journey uh you know your your words touch our hearts seriously and they leave an imprint on ourselves it is it's something you know what you're saying it's not even

you you're hypothesizing even at the the nth degree of saying killed but even abuse even verbal abuse you know these things are enough to really damage people the amount of people that go into clinical depression the amount of people that break down the the hatred the seeds of hatred that get sold just because you know people react they we're speaking with my people reacting with that animal instinct as opposed to you know this what god has gifted us and you know just to hear that wow

not only your journey of faith but your experience of finding it and and how you feel you know may allah bless you and uh it's an absolute honor to just hear you say that here on you know live today the reason why i feel so strongly is because i didn't seek faith this time around it's like a k like i think you i think i saw a video years ago like the maliki fake chose me and i similarly you know i didn't like that yeah yeah that is faith you know and even when i was just speaking to matt a moment ago

you see this this question that people say that look i you know about the path about this consciousness about becoming aware about god you see it will choose you you know when the time comes there will be a calling you know i mentioned that in a voice it will hear that calling regardless of whether you do or don't and it's hard to explain this in because it's it has to it's like taste like how do you explain the taste of no it's such a personal and subjective experience that i can't tell the me from a year ago even though i would have been you know 28

and still a very you know relatively able-minded person uh i would have i would not have understood what i'm saying now and you may have even i don't know may have even ridiculed you may have oh yeah oh yeah because you know i remember a clear conversation i had with my uncle a year ago i i told my family right away that you know i left islam obviously being the pakis that we are you know my mother my uncle they were all very devastated um and but you know alhamdulillah they never abandoned me you know because i was afraid they would like

kick me out of the family and all this but they're like you're our kid anyway my point is so i remember a year ago i how boldly i said to my uncle like yeah there's probably some sort of a i'm a very naturalistic person in the sense that i love nature if you like poetry i think you might enjoy the poetry of john muir he's a american naturalist um whose poetry i adore because he explored the western united states and how gorgeous these mountains are in the western united states okay so i oh i don't think i ever stopped believing in a greater power just

because of how majestic and beautiful nature is but at the same time i remember telling my uncle a year ago no this book is probably just man-made and it's probably just sewn together uh you know by either you know now has been by the prophet or by people succeeded him and i and i i think back to that statement and i'm like how blindly that was and how proudly that was said and so it's just wow you know i can't explain this is why it's so important you know somebody mentioned earlier on they said look oh um you know they were mentioning people oh

you know people that are still involved in kind of attacking people and in kind of saying such and such person i mean verbally as in saying such and such people are deviants or such and such people are like these and so and i and i was saying that look break that circle of toxicity you know what like let's make dua for them i said you know because i said that the thing is that you see what can you imagine you see you're you were a year ago you were a particular place in your life on a journey and you are somewhere today it doesn't matter what somebody believes what

somebody's they are on a journey but where they may get to depends on how people treat them you see you show someone love you show them encouragement like you said look your family didn't disown you where would that have got you oh no what exactly yeah no that would have been terrible and you know the funny part is i uh the the whole reason i came back to islam and i said i i didn't choose to come back i it was not it was like uh basically what happened is my uncle came to visit me from pakistan and he stayed with me for a week and he

brought me a masala or a gynamos right and after he left um i was looking at the thing like a nuisance and just sitting there in the corner of my room i remember the feeling like man i have to get rid of this thing so i called i even joked with my mom that i'm gonna ship it to you and whatever happens on the way it happens because u.s mail is notoriously unreliable sometimes um so so anyway i was looking at this thing like a nuisance and i since i always wake up very early just because i was a practicing pseudo practicing stoic i love the stoic uh

thinkers like marc australius and epictetus so i woke up early and did my exercises but i had this weird instinct to pray fajr out of the blue i just by looking at this masala and i was like so i think i'm really glad i followed that instinct because i just i had to google i had forgotten all the you know that thus be this you know it's i had forgotten that the childhood i forgot i barely remembered my father and barely remember sure i it was just i had gone from a bit i

had been a very like in my mind i think i was a very practicing muslim before but i think now that i look back and maybe have been all or like the show of outward you know it's live it's life it's all part of that journey yeah but anyways it was just that's what i mean that it was an instinct that i didn't choose it just came and i'm really glad i followed it and when i felt that in my broken prayer because i had to google and it was just a broken prayer even that done with focus and sincerity was like the feeling i got i had never

experienced before and alhamdulillah i still experience it every time i pray now if i do it properly and i'm really afraid it will go away but i'm glad it never man does amazing and you know it's it is that is within you okay so just remember that that that is you and and and the prayer is always just something that brings you into that state of submission it brings you into that connect that's that's and and just yeah man i'm really glad i'm really glad you shared this with us i appreciate it

uh do stay in touch you know send me a message on on instagram i'm gonna look out for your your post and look out for your messages and shall life this you know keep us keep us posted i really i congratulate you again and i'm just grateful and i make dua that you shared this because it's not you see one is yours i want to show you yeah i want to share hope that's bad it's i i'm just looking at some of these talk the toxic cultures the toxic brothers of in faith of mine and look at

the things that they say and how they ridicule others and just ask them just leave islam why don't you because you believe in something i don't or i whatever happened to la la la muhammad rasool allah being okay you're my brother and i'm gonna give you even if you don't say it yeah yeah i want to tell the people who are muslim that you know if you see ex-muslims and there already killing you be gentle because i was there

and everything you know for everyone you meet is fighting a difficult battle that be gentle it's you know these words they're so valuable i mean that's from plato but it's so it's so it's so valuable but yeah shukran once again and you are doing that you are giving hope by the way this for just your your beaming so you know i'm that's it man just keep it going and um do keep us posted with with your with your journey okay so shook him once again and i'm sure anybody that's from washington they want to reach out and connect i'm sure you can you can connect and inshaallah

continue that journey take care of yourself we'll speak soon once again people that was life is now a really powerful message because you know so often we become so judgmental i spoke just a few minutes ago about people trying to castigate people trying to uh outcast to execute excommunicate and anathematize people from the faith to take fear you can't feel you deviant you this or this person is an ex-muslim or this person is a careful this person is a farcer well this person is a you know uh just

not a true sunni or not a hate never yields results and the results it does yield are just very i mean they they they are counterproductive to anything antithetical to the good cause keep that in mind that the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam is hadith you know if you can just take one hadith take this one it is this was one of the first hadith i ever memorized um who i have had on mind trapped shaykh iqbal he's one of the most renowned scholars especially within the maliki

method within the english-speaking world and i was probably just about 17 and i used to go visit him and i used to learn arabic from him i was a i have to say a lazy student at that time and and he had this you know this beautiful frame in his house you know absolutely stunning beautiful calligraphy and i used to what does it say i couldn't because of the calligraphy and and it used to and it would say and he read it for me and he said it says yes

and i memorized it then and that has been one of the the cornerstones of my faith it is a sahih it is that the prophet said make ease for people do not create difficulty for them always invite people never scare them away and that is really the prophet's character if you had to sum it up in a hadith that is that so memorize that if you can yes

okay let's see who we've got here today we've got uh sean cher shawn let me add you to the stream assalamu alaikum can i hang out i can where are you joining us from sean uh i'm uh in canada about an hour away from toronto wow all right gotta say you you had us with the name they were trying to think sean i like it cool name yeah so pakistani background and uh like

so the the urdu version of that was like the the sheen alif noon you know like some pakistani actors sean oh this is your real name sean i think you just put it there as a no no no no way yeah so if no one is that's like that that would be like if it was in the pakistani uh legal documents that's how it would you need to do the whole shawn michaels thing then if that's your actual name because that's the on when i think sean i think shawn michaels had the good old wwf days yeah so i think i think my sister wanted me named after sean cassidy and that was the spelling okay but it's it's it's because it's a little bit tricky because the the

phoneme for the the urdu sound with the alif ah it's like it's a little bit of a you know it's a more relaxed one than the ah and i don't think you have an equivalent phoneme in in english unless it's like it's like with a certain kind of mood like that when you say the english a8 it's like ah right okay okay sure well it is that's it you're doing it you're doing it sean i like it yeah i don't want this conversation to just be about my name

but yeah yeah thanks for taking the time i know that you're you're running into about the three-hour mark now but yeah one thing uh one comment i want to make a little bit about the uh the excellent uh um sort of uh breakdown and discussion of the jordan peterson and mustafa uh oh right yeah i don't know if you caught it but there was one uh ayah of the quran that uh mustafa referenced that jordan responded to very uh very uh very positively i think sorry somebody just said sean does look like a wrestler you do and sorry i could be i could be yeah

i was i was really into hulk hogan at one point yeah yeah when i was yeah hulkamania you know but um yeah so i was saying the verse uh uh that i don't know if you caught uh where jordan responded that it was like a great verse it was the uh laziness yeah thank you that was amazing i i he really gave me a new way because he says that you see this whole thing of uh that yesterday because the word in and of itself and how it uh it is the empowering element and they follow the best of it and yeah sorry

carrion uh sorry adrian no no no no completely i i love i love hearing your your uh your comments um but yeah i think uh the way that it was like aston can be translated a few a few ways like the best of it and i think mustafa talked about like the beauty aspect and i think responded to that i always found that interesting because um i don't know if if like i'm not an expert in arabic or anything but i so i i'm not sure if you would read this the same way but this whole fact where you talk about following the most beautiful of it doesn't this this seem to uh imply a sense that people have to have this intuition to be able to recognize the what is good and and bad or what's

beautiful and not beautiful in the words they receive right because we say that the quran this is knuckle right this is transmitted knowledge right and then we have to understand it through our but isn't this verse sort of pointing to the fact that we're judging words by some kind of intuitive understanding of of beauty and what's asan what would you say yeah no absolutely uh you're right that we do have an a kind of intuitive subjective um receptivity to what the aesthetic to what is beauty now naturally that may vary as it will unquestionably

but i think there is a great overlap in certain at a simple level and by simple not to uh demean that simple meaning it's in some ways as leonardo da vinci the highest form of sophistication but in things like landscapes in nature in recognizing the beauty of you know of a of a rainbow of a waterfall of of of of things that just seamlessly flow and human beings we can definitely i think there it would be an immense inter-subjectivity in a lot of this and we've recognized

a kind word we've recognized the beauty in kindness we recognize the beauty and compassion uh i don't think there is really a um a discrepancy in the frequency there we do have differences naturally when it comes to preferences so human beings you know whether somebody likes a certain thing like certain color likes its own food dislikes detests these things i think are definitely secondary tertiary aspects but where the quran is saying i mean could you remind us the what jordan peterson was summing up the

that that point because it was a very powerful point but i i'm because he puts it in such a powerful way because i remember when he was saying i was like whoa but i'm trying to because they're speaking about following and mustafa kiel says that yes because of interpretations and they speaking about any book like he says obviously in the bible as well because there's war and there's these things and people quoting things and and he says yes but you know that you're told to follow that which is uh dr mustapha tells him about the first and he picks up on it but can you recap what he sums it up as

uh unfortunately um other than the fact that he appreciated the verse i'm not exactly sure which direction he brought it with respect to his own thoughts so that's something that i'll that i'll go back into and look at sure because i'll get it because he what he's saying is that he speaks about this what you're saying this appreciation for beauty but this linking it with the divine that this kind of innate and also with the word but but the fact that you can do that he he and he he puts it in such a good way and i i just wouldn't do justice uh in trying to sum it up but

what you're saying is that do we have different appreciation of beauty so some person you know when if we're supposed to be following the most beautiful kind of teachings does that first of all denote that some are not so beautiful i i wouldn't put it like i wouldn't put it like that in that sense but i would say that they're clearly uh it could be understood as in better or it could be understood as in what is you know more aesthetic more beautiful in the sense of the teachings because some things are there trying to say well look because there's some verses that say

you know you can do this like this is the bare minimum so for example um you know that a lot doesn't have a a pro problem with those people that you know you you show this kind of kindness to them for example if they didn't declare war on you and they didn't kind of do this and certain verses but but there's greater there's greater acts that you can do to fulfill so for example it says you know you can feed the poor but you can do much more as well in other verses there are sometimes a teaching of a minimum and there's uh a higher level in certain verses that are given and obviously this there's for example in

some verses that you can fight but in some verses it says that you can forgive you know it's this there's different obviously there's different teachings based on on the situation now a person following the most beautiful of of of what he can to his capacity fact that do i think people will disagree on what they find i don't think i think people will generally get it for the most part they yeah if that's the question but i'm not sure i'm fully understanding is there something is there a different angle to this uh well from my perspective um i

mean this verse has meant a lot for for me uh personally again i'm not sure if i'm understanding like i mean it gets tricky with respect to your subjective understandings of the quran because you have these senses of things but then if you want to be careful you got to think oh am i understanding this arabic correctly and is this with this interpretation even though it's meaningful is it technically correct so that's where you oh right okay i would tend to hold that hold on to that meaning but then also look to experts to see if that my intuition is actually oh of course some kind of reality sorry i didn't understand i i completely

got you know the wrong end of the the question so i in that sense if you're asking when a person reads the quran and he takes a certain understanding um now this may be a novice kind of sorry a novel understanding maybe something totally new um is he you know should he be double checking with classical traditional understandings should it be then i would say yes of course and it depends what verses and what he's taking you see i would say if it's inspiration then you could just take it however you receive it it's not that doesn't have to be checked

and balanced and if it's if it's just positivity if it's a message of of kindness if it's just something like that then you don't need to be too worried or just just the fact you get it and inspires you is is is it but if it's rulings in the quran which are only a tiny portion of the quran then in that case that's different you know if you're looking at a very legal aspect of the quran which is trying to tell you about doing something then then in that case yes of course that has a whole diff you know whole realm with it of people that have advised what that means yeah no of course um so i was just

saying obviously prefacing the fact that i'm not i'm not an expert in the tafsir but like what my personal experience with the way that i've understood understood uh this part of this verse is that uh just like your last speaking a little bit um you know not that i've ever left islam but like i think a lot of us have struggled with specific issues throughout their life and trying to develop and trying to find people to answer their questions and i think that this whole attitude where i think it becomes problematic for a lot of people who who have dogmatic views is that they have confined the choices of who they're getting their views from and so they're not actually listening to different people they're not listening to the statements and they're not

choosing what's essen yeah exactly well so what what what what i've found to do and i don't know if this is the correct understanding of this verse but it seems meaningful to me is that i started listening to more people than the typical people so starting around 20 years ago it started with people like shabir ali and then he interviewed ramadan and i started understanding that there's a broader tradition and then eventually it led to people like uh gamdi saab which i was which i'm very involved with i'm actually part of the youth affairs in uh wow okay to to extend my personal salam and love to him i absolutely adore him

yeah and we actually it's it's very interested because a lot of our fans are actually a lot of your fans are very interconnected with what we're doing your discord group which was something that i joined actually we springboarded a discord group for almored youth off of that and we have a huge amount of interaction back and forth and we're doing some interesting things um maybe sometime i'll reach out to you and see if they're absolutely you allah at your service yeah yeah that would be amazing because again you're one of the people that you know if you're around 20 years ago like it would have been uh as a you know in this in this public capacity it could have helped people like me at that

time but alhamdulillah you know we've gone through what we've done and we've it's about our own journey absolutely now shukran and and just to just to kind of uh just add a few words to what you said that you see what you're saying is spot on in seeing yes that sometimes you may you know people for example may listen to anyone and not like we spoke about jordan peterson many people don't like some some some things he says many people don't like many things i say many people may not like something you mentioned or earlier on mentioned sheikh hamza youssef or anyone or you know

the point is when people are saying good things that you do that does resonate with you just take that you know you don't need to you see this verse is also so beautifully powerful in in in dislodging prejudice because it shows that you you know they can be people you don't like but they they'll always be some things that they're saying that will still make sense to you they're not like it's not a zero-sum game they're absolute villains or the absolute good guys it's you know it's just human human beings and i think yeah that's a really good point you made about look you go to diverse people

you take different things you enrich your own understanding and thereby enrich your journey so yes just uh just to build on that a little bit a lot of the discussion that we've been having in your fan server and in the almost server with respect to like the controversy of jordan peter peterson positive and negative is the attitude that i've tried to take and try to impart is that um this sort of attitude with respect to um thinkers yeah um from from my point of view the attitude a mature attitude that should be taken is one where you separate the individual their personality and their behavior from their thought and you look at the thought

atomistically you look at different parts of their thought and not necessarily as something where you're you're going to force it to exist in its con in its existing configuration you can take it apart and take parts of it right and and i think that and i think that this is so easy to understand when we look at people who are physicists or mathematicians or natural scientists where we could absolutely hate a person with respect to some of their behavior historically talking like there there might have been like um you know some some scientists that sympathize with nazis right yeah exactly well they still contributed towards maybe like a theory of logic or

something right like uh i i i'm not sure exactly about the history of i don't know if you've heard of gottlieb fraga who's uh the creation of predicate calculus and you know i i would use predicate calculus there's there's some there's a cost effective analysis so i'm an economist by background and cost effectiveness analysis as um our my uh health economics professor told me that this was sort of developed in the area era of vietnam uh in is part of their war policy to get the most effective sort of killing power uh uh with respect to you know and so it was a type of analysis that's developed but now we use it for analysis of health care so the the the thought or the

analysis or the value of that thought is independent of you know the people who developed it and the uses for which they developed it and so when we can do that with all these other subjects it's just strange it's it's a bit of an immature attitude from my perspective that you can't do that when it comes to thought on you know issues like religion sometimes or social science or politics they just become so uh sort of deeply infused with emotion that you can't you can't take that analytical approach and from my perspective if you if you do that then you can at least still engage important thoughts and i i concur completely with you with respect to the the the the importance of jordan peterson's thought

for with respect to thinking about modern social movements yeah and having a certain uh respect for the sacred yeah right absolutely no shukran shukran absolutely and i appreciate that and just just even just what you've contributed here and just discussing this i think it's it's definitely very uh interesting and thought provoking for many people so shukran sean um just one last thing i know that you're running out of time but just one last thing i'd like to leave with you and maybe you can look into this sometimes because with your discussion of subjectivity uh and uh you know understanding knowledge through the subject i wonder if you've ever looked

at john searle's work on uh ontological versus epistemological subjectivity and objectivity have you ever seen the plus for john cena john said no no i haven't actually he's like a philosopher of language and philosopher of mine and he distinguishes between two different categories of subjectivity and objectivity and he says that not understanding this is an area for major confusion with respect to the scientific study of subjective phenomenon such as consciousness okay so the idea is that on something that's ontologically subjective is it's subjective because it's existence so ontology has to do

with existence and something that's ontologically subjective subjective is subjective because um its existence uh the existence of of having that understanding depends on the the subject it can only be understood through the subject so things like pain emotion they can only be understand through the subject right so the the reason why these these things may not be uh uh epistemologically subjective is because many things that are experienced through the subject are considered valid inquiries for science because there's a belief that these things are correlated

with some under underlying phenomena and and if you look at like uh medical uh literature for example scientific study of symptoms for example where you know people are talking about feeling a pain in a certain place feeling nauseous all of these are ontologically subjective phenomenon but they're not epistemologically subjective they're actually correlated with real underlying phenomenon and so i think the important point that he makes and i think this is really really important for people with faith is that people need to understand that every uh every single item of something okay like i get what you're saying

yes something that that um is not like an invalid type of knowledge it can and it's not something that can't be scientifically studied as well i i yeah i can't i get what you're saying so but the only the only difference there would be that it would still be virtually impossible to qualify the experience from an objective uh perspective so so for example whether it's the same symmetrical experience so for example somebody let's say i was to prick a you know a needle here now i could feel pain

now the pain is the uh as you're saying the the kind of subjectivity the subjective perception here but there is an underlying ontological reality to it in the sense that nerves have been triggered and something has gone in and the nerves have kind of come back and obviously the central nervous system has been it's picked up something's happened and it's obviously given this immediate reaction and and i felt and and that's all explicable however the degree of pain or the experience qualitatively speaking i suppose we could we could say that you know i'm sure it's it's roughly the same

or people but it would be virtually impossible to truly qualify it well what i would say is it would be difficult to precisely qualify it and there might be some there's a pain okay pain is one but let's say the things like smell or things like um even though there is an intersubjectivity that we recognize that for example patchouli has a particular smell and whether you know certain different kind of masks and different things will smell differently but now but really truly speaking to be able to

to symmetrically unless we could somehow map neurons that are triggered in the brain and we could kind of kind of say well it triggers the identical and we're using that as a i don't know how because that would be really tricky too i think i think you're getting on towards the question of precision and and the question of understanding something uh you know whether we understand something with error or we understand something with correlation and there's possible error in that and i think that that's that's like uh that's like a normal thing that happens in in empirical study anyways right for example like self-reported health or

self-reported quality of life like these are things that show up all of the time in uh in um um health studies and we and we also would uh sort of you study their predictors with respect to disease categories right no of course no i'm not saying i'm saying these things are the world works by them and there is an intersubjectivity and it works but i'm just saying to to the problem with totally narrowing things second secondary qualities or this kind of qualia of things like this of smell of color even color really obviously it's like it's what you know

many uh great thinkers would have said just good enough you know it's good enough it works the main thing is it works and we can use it but i suppose really saying it it's it's difficult because so for example if let's say every red you've seen in your life is red but really to everybody else it's a different color but you've called it red because that's how you've been identified with it sorry it's been identified to you so you would always still call it red even if it was in your eyes blue so this this kind of thing is it's that's more a philosophical level we would never truly know it would be the utility of the category would still exist as long

as the stability yeah exactly exactly so i get that but do send me this stuff i'll definitely look into it and definitely find it but now that you say i i'm familiar with these these debates is instagram the best way to reach out to you or is it yeah definitely i mean what to do is reach out to me on instagram then i'll put you on whatsapp and then we'll we can speak from there and shut up my name is sean i'm gonna forget that sean michaels from the rockers from the wwf day all right when sean went you know what is it uh kane and abel when he turned on his brother do you remember that was that there

no i don't know you probably never watched wwf back in the days you know when the oh the rockers you know the young you had the with the long hair the young tag team you had sean michaels and i forgotten his brother's name something was it something uh possibly but then at one point he uh he kind of turns on his brother with brutus the barber there and he gets his brother and throws it this is going back to childhood days now maybe i was there maybe i was there yeah so that's it but okay so take care send me a message there and i will uh definitely uh

be in touch okay sean shukran once again people that was shown i was about to say sean michaels that was short right so joining us shukran from uh from canada and some very interesting discussions there very deep very highly intelligent discussions i like it wow just caught me off guard as well i like it i like it people the the brain cells are at work let's see you know what we're gonna have to soon wrap this up but i can see some people have been waiting um right we've got shahid kamroddin

i can't hear you it's a mute all right you're you're here we can i can yes hello hello uh we can hear you we can hear you we can hear you okay we can hear you where are you from are you joining us from shaheed yes where are you joining us from i think there's a time delay in the video is there ah right okay uh i can hear you fine hello

yes i can hear you shall i remove you and you want to join again join again something happened okay so i'll remove you join again join again okay so i'll use the same link come back come back and then try so i i'll share the link again that might have been sometimes it could be your connection when you join so if you join straight away sean and marty look at that that was it martin that was it marty all right

somebody here from the good old wwf days so okay whilst he hasn't joined yet um i feel everyone is lying i feel braveheart don't worry freedom that's the main thing shahid is back let me just add him to the stream

mr will why it's the dalai life daley so how are you doing shahid are you are you ethnically from malaysia are you um some from somewhere else living in malaysia i was born here but i'm mixed blood okay mixed race okay wow interesting come on tell us a bit of your diversity what's because you're just gonna have us guessing [Laughter] well uh malay chinese indian uh okay wow and well okay you turned the volume right up there i mean

what was was that what like the the colonial division of the [Laughter] yes sort of they were just splitting the whole world up allahu akbar quite quite a bit wow i you know what i envy you for all the relatives that you've got in different parts of the world and excuses you have to travel to different countries i love it so shh all right so what do you what do you do in malaysia tell us a bit about electrical engineer logical engineer what is it electrical oh wow i thought logical engineer i was

genuinely curious like what does a logical engineer do so okay so electrical engineer of right awesome so masha alas talk to us what are some thoughts what a if there's a question what's on your mind unleash that wisdom all the way from malaysia is it kuala lumpur by the way i know about three hours away okay unleash it on us all right uh i watch your old videos about you know you talk about adam uh and they mentioned adam being uh midnaps in wahidah okay yes yes yes are you saying that

probably uh he's the the child instead uh right okay now uh right okay ask the question that i'll try but then uh after they got the child they commit the shirk and and giving thanks to a different god right all right okay okay so if he's the start of consciousness how can they have the concept of gods and stuff before that okay [Music] i like it shahid shah told me you're gonna come prepared [Laughter] no so first of all okay that's not uh

quite how i say it so i'll just give you some and but i think this is a really good question by the way really good question so first of all what i've said is that in the quran i think it's six places where allah says we created mankind um but in none of those verses the name adam is used so he says

but none of those verses does allah say we created you in those verses there's a certain template and it doesn't seem to mention adam in them so adam is mentioned in other verses on many occasions but not in those verses where it's speaking about the human uh the human kind origin right so uh it just seems to mention you were made from a single soul and from a single self and then from that self its partner and then from here many uh men and women were you

know eventually made and so on so okay now in one of those verses it says that uh they feared that what happened is as he it doesn't say adam but it says as he uh covered his uh you know his spouse he doesn't say but he's his his partner that's in the female she was of womb and then when she gave birth it mentions that they commit silk but they do you know uh they ascribe shulker because they fear that maybe the baby won't survive

or something and so the what the verse is touching on is superstition that exists and it then mentions that obviously it goes on to say that you know so some people have said you're right some people have said that was adam but i've said that i i didn't agree with that understanding that the person committing shirk was adam but this must have been a predecessor to adam okay so somebody before adam that would have existed so most ulama all agree that

creatures existed before adam so adam was not the first creature now they disagree was he the first human as in we know humans but obviously back then the scholars didn't there wasn't much evidence of other findings as well so other bones and other things and they don't really know these things with that kind of detail so what we have is basically we have very ancient bones and we have findings that show us that look humans have varied along the way and then you have humans today homo sapiens with a certain kind of dna neanderthal dna is different if various

you know heidelbergensis would be different they'll be habit homo habilis will be different astrologicals would be different all these things would be slight variations but there's a great similarity coming down now even with homo homo sapien it's it seems to be a long trek but it's only in the recent you know 100 000 years that really this human journey as we know it has started this kind of out of africa journey begins so the question is where does adam fit in with all of this so well okay ultimately we don't know

nobody knows as a fact nobody knows well i i was there i know nobody knows so we can only just speculate so one way of speculating is saying well adam somehow exists before all of these so he's at the beginning of so let's say homonyms go back maybe anything between i don't know let's say four million years let's some have said whether seven million depends where you place the marker now for some reason we place them there let's say we place them two million years with homo erectus and homa

where they discover fire but we know the humans that lived then were not like humans today they were not sophisticated they were very primitive they were very uh you know they could they could make tools that so they were slightly cleverer than chimpanzees but they weren't that much cleverer than chipper they were probably slightly somewhat cleverer than chimpanzees and stuff but they weren't as clever as let's say a five-year-old child they weren't that clever because obviously we have findings from they didn't produce things that that lasted they didn't but they did live

but we know adam let's say if those who believe in adam believe adam was very sophisticated was incredibly intelligent so then you only can have one of two ways let's say he existed then so what we're saying is adam existed he was incredibly intelligent he dies humans somehow become really primitive and clumsy and and dumb and and then they stay dumb for let's say four million years and then suddenly they become intelligent again and then they become really intelligent again

so that that's one theory let's say some people could put it the other theory is no when humans became suddenly what they call the cognitive revolution this the person who began that is adam and we are all his offspring that's the other theory of looking at it so somebody could choose any you know somebody could say no i want to believe because nobody nobody has any proof about adam alayhi salam whether he existed and where he existed and we can't say i can't say for a fact that adam al-islam existed at that point or at this point this is all speculation but everybody's speculating so

if a person was to say look adam ali salam existed before homo erectus and then he was just this really intelligent person let's say even if his sons were but for some reason they die then the dna changes because remember the dna keeps changing and in that case our dna from back then is not 100 the same so we then are dna we are varied from that being back then the other thing is why there's four million years of just becoming animals again like they're just

like animals homo erectus they're not i mean they're hominins but they're very animal like they're not like us like they're more than like so for so many millions here at least two million years this is going on then suddenly all of a sudden humans become really inspired and they become everything so okay somebody could believe that you know if they want to believe it that's fine the other way is that well no when the cognitive revolution begins that is adam now that would mean let's say you took this root the cognitive revolution root then in that case

before adam homonyms exist but they just don't have consciousness the way we have it but they have some consciousness because look even animals have some consciousness primates monkeys today even have some consciousness dolphins have consciousness elephants are self-aware that you know like some consciousness already exists even today in animals it's like and it's not a low level it's it's a pretty good level for given the animal status like elephants will mourn the dead they they have memories they remember even after a decade they will remember oh this person this place they you know chimpanzees they very sophisticated for their own

thing and and hominins were more sophisticated than them so neanderthals were much more obviously clever than chimpanzees so in that case let's go with this theory that the the hominins that existed would have had uh you know some level of a higher consciousness just not like us though the way we can do it and they would have been the forerunners to to this huge revolution which would have began with one person in this case in this theory would have been adam ali salam and he would have

ate something now according to some people that would have been what they called the stoned man theory is or the stoned ape theory some scientists call it is that he would have consumed some kind of uh psychedelic which they feel may be some particular strains of mushrooms or certain things that are millions of years old so they are in fact much older than you know all us kind of beings so they've been existing and and you know things like mushrooms by the way are not from the plant kingdom they are a

separate entity so they are actually closer to humans than they are then plants are closer than you know so they they are a separate entity fungi is not a plant even though it grows mycelium grows like roots and stuff but it's not to be confused with it being a plant even though we eat it but it's not a vegetable it's not mushrooms are not technically vegetables they are fungi so and they have communicating networks so they have a form of even today trees to communicate but they communicate through mycelium you know through mushroom roots under under the earth so

according to this theory that me that many homonyms for for you know for time had been consuming these things and it had been edging up the consciousness but it just hadn't exploded it needed that final explosion and that according to this theory some person did it now could that person who consumes this forbidden fruit be adam ali salaam could it could this story still coincide certain people believe it can i also agree that it can it doesn't have any clash it seems to also make sense that this is and why would it be a forbidden

fruit well it would make sense because mushrooms are also very deadly they also kill people they also kill creatures so it's one of those you know potluck it could kill you it could just be food or it could give you a transcendental experience of ex you know witnessing so in this theory the predecessors the pre-adamites wouldn't have had the same consciousness but they would have had some and they may have had rituals they may have had superstitions they may have had a kind of ascribing to for life like even franz dewal in his book on

bonobo and the atheist speaks about is it possible that monkeys have got superstitions and he says that even though it's right now impossible to prove but he says it's possible and he speaks of the rain dance that some of them do in that particular book but it's possible that that these people had some shield at their level obviously they weren't mukallah in that way they weren't you know they weren't uh insane but they would have been bashar as uh dr abdul shaheen distinguishes them but this is just a theory you know people don't you know obviously there's no proof that any of this happened in

that way just as the other thing is still a theory you know if a person wants to believe that no adam came in the beginning he came several million years of years ago and then everybody kind of stooped humanity wasn't humans there were more animals for millions of years and then suddenly in the last 100 000 years they became humans again then that's you know it's it's how do the person want to fit it to me i agree with those people that say this makes sense somebody could say no i want to go with the other way it's entirely up to them uh could it be that you know like the the verse where god told the angels that

he's gonna bring a khalifa yeah yeah so could the khalifa not be actually a human or individual but instead the constant the concept of consciousness itself so god will give consciousness to a group of humans like oh khalifa is an embodiment it's okay so it's it's a metaphor for consciousness in nigeria so when he was when he gives that to a group of people they can inherit uh the world instead instead of having one individual so that we are part of that khalifa also i mean that's not the common sense but i

like what you're saying i mean it's very profound it's uh you know it's very spicy i like i like it i mean it's it's it's you know it's i suppose it's just a different way of looking at things and it's like wow when the angels say they will cause destruction i'm sure that's referring to us no yes i think and referring to us also so we cause fossil fuels pollution and all this so i think uh the khalifa must be part of also because we are also causing the problems yeah you see i think those people who say this theory the the cognitive revolution theory they are

saying this but they're saying it in personified as the man as adam is the one that consciousness is given to and this is what the angels are objecting to if you if you're saying that here this is a let's say this is an allegory a metaphor for saying khalifa is in itself referring to consciousness itself as the noun as we are now placing consciousness on the earth it gives it a very much different flavor although the story is still very much the same you know it doesn't change the story because obviously adam is according to us the first being of consciousness of of our true

consciousness so yeah but it just gives it a whole different flavor you know a life saying it's not about a person he's saying we are giving consciousness we are giving earth consciousness or placing consciousness onto earth that is uh wow i i i i like what you're saying i mean it's it definitely adds spice and flavor to it and and also another part of that uh seems like like uh the world and uh nature and evolution is uh going to a point where we will be able to recognize the world like you know how uh we can see the moon

uh and the size of the moon right through the sun is also equal to the distance between the moon and the sun so that it's like 400 times different so when the moon goes over the sun it becomes a full eclipse where does it happen anywhere else and then in physics that helps us because uh we can see more of the sun and the spirals will be hidden so that we can see the corona and stuff but then it only will apply if there's something that can recognize it okay so sorry that that part kind of went over me like are you saying like consciousness are you speaking about the earth becoming conscious no no so it seems like uh the inevitable like evolution

going towards a creature that can uh be aware okay so that when it reaches that point then maybe we'll we'll be given consciousness because the earth's been around for like four point five billion years we have dinosaurs yes yes so yes of course so it's when the time is ready when the stage is set yes allah says now yes my feeling is here well no of course of course so creation life has existed for so long even since the cambrian explosion at least you know you're talking almost 500 million years and mammals have been

around between two to three hundred million years but it's not and even hominins you know as in human-like structures have been around for at least a couple to a few million years but it's you know we are like you know we're not we're just like a second on this clock when when we put it into perspective we're just like one that's it and yet so much has happened in this it's amazing we've unlocked the whole and you know people attributed to say ali and the saying that

that you claim that you are this small entity yet within you is the cosmos kind of all folded up because you see the universe truly in a way it's you know as as alan watts says that it comes to see itself through our eyes because we are the observer ain't we in essence when you think about it we are the the you know we it is through our consciousness that we recognize it and we recognize its life and that which is witnessing and that

which is witnessed you see washington that we are ultimately in many ways the universe witnessing ourselves it's it's it's incredibly profound but yeah i i love what you're saying as well shahid wow you definitely uh surprised us at this late hour so shukran shukran for that uh can i add a second question yes you should actually relate it okay yeah go for it uh yeah in the story

of uh ibrahim you know when uh so when i read it my understanding is like he went out of the city let me sit on the hill and then when night came he saw a star and it disappears and he saw the moon and it disappears that he saw the sun right but before that god says we show him the sky but to me like i don't think he was blind i think he he or what he's seen it for the last like 20 years or so so what does the show there mean yeah so you see i okay that's i'll have to bring the verse up but what i would believe because i've got a video

on ibrahim alaihissalam and i advise people to watch it's an older video but it's about according to my research he is from the indus valley or his origins are definitely from the indus valley and i feel this is according to me definitely i'm not saying it's definite as a fact because obviously as a fact you can't we can't prove that your brain at least existed as a fact it's a matter of faith so i think we could can we how uh because uh some stuff that appears and disappears there cannot be a star it has to be a planet

because no no i mean the the the what i mean is that the person of ibrahim alaihi salam is a person that we obviously we we believe he existed it's a matter of faith we can't as a fact prove he exists that's what i was saying because obviously whether the person existed we can't prove like you can't prove like there's no bones there's no dna there's nothing to say this person with this name as a fact as a historical artifact archaeologically speaking you can't prove you can't prove moses you can't even prove jesus you can you can prove the prophet muhammad sallallahu alaihi but uh but you can't prove the others

but i think we can prove the extraordinary event oh yes no no of course of course no so i'm not so we obviously as muslims believe in it so what i was saying the reason i just mentioned that is because i said i definitely believe he was from the indus valley and then i was qualifying the word definitely by saying this is my opinion obviously i don't mean definitely definitely because i can't prove that but then again nobody can even prove that he existed it's obviously a matter of faith and a matter of opinion and perspective that's what i was saying so so ibrahim according to my understanding was somebody of he would have been of

indus valley so of ancient indian origin that that india not indian as in india india but indus valley origin now what we know is that that civilization was and still remains to be deeply or the the kind of whatever remnants you have deeply involved in astrological uh affairs so this whole thing about astrology and the stars and i according in that video i highlight that i would have i believe he would have been from the priestly class which and many people have highlighted the oh you know the overlap between

brahmin and brahman and abraham because he he changes his name according to the bible and even according to the quran the name changes but it's uh his name was not uh ibrahim or even abraham it was abram and then it changes into into something so the overlaps are significant according to that theory ibrahim alaihissalam would have been very well versed with the stars and all this astrology and this is why he was from the priestly he was from that class and even according to the bible his his family they say they were from uh so in the old

testament it says it was from ur which is northeast is the top upper part of iraq but it says his his family originally were from the east it says that in the bible so but it just doesn't explain where from the east and i've mentioned that would have been the indus valley and after the flood they would have moved from further westwards so if he knew had this knowledge and he was from the priestly class as the bible mentions his father was was a priest and so on so he would have had this knowledge and he would have understood stars so when allah is saying that he we had showed him

the celestial bodies because he had a very good knowledge of them and it wasn't just uh and this is why when he's saying look at this in the quran he points out just celestial bodies because there is a deep link there between that old priestly class and the astrologe and astrology and even when he comes to egypt you see what i postulate in my theory is that hajjar who often people say is a slave girl was not a slave girl she was a priestess because it would make sense that he's

honored with a priestess but maybe the priestess to sarah is considered as like they treat her as though she's a slave because of her kind of outcast they look at her as though she's they you know she's some kind of different cast kind of and people treat her like she as though she's some slave because she's a foreigner but she's not actually a slave that she in essence was a priestly woman because the priestly women also lived in the palaces of the pharaoh and it makes sense why abraham would have had an an audience with the pharaoh

with the pharaoh because why would a person who just comes get to get a one-on-one with the pharaoh like why yeah what's so special about any man because the pharaoh wouldn't just meet normal people and the reason he would have met him is because he would have been this incredibly wise person about astrology about the stars and things because the pharaohs were also into that and this is why when he according to this understanding he sends with abraham uh herjad he gives her and obviously abraham marries

her now they go off towards arabia now it's interesting that you see one of the most sacred stars in egyptian astrology what they call osiris the the special ancient egyptian you know osiris who is the great figure of you know he's like one of the most beloved heroes of the god heroes of egyptian mythology is canopus in english today and that is the the major star of uh the southern hemisphere you can't see it in the northern hemisphere where we are so uh this star

canopus is in arabic sohail which is the star which in line with which the wall of the kaaba is built it's aligned with sohail okay so it's interesting that yes this could be a coincidence or it could be and canopus appears so hail appears on the horizon after sunset it appears in a straight angle right there you see on the horizon that's why they knew which direction sahil would is in and and allah says in the quran about the ancient people were you know what been najib that they are guided through them through through the astrological kind of bodies so

this shows that it would make sense as well because he goes with hajjar and then he builds the kaaba and that she was also because sohail was not a star that this the northern hemisphere was so familiar with you see because uh whereas this is more in the southern hemisphere and i i'm just i'm showing these obviously speculative uh they don't change anything nothing ever the story is still the same everything is the same it just has a different detail to it that oh that's really fascinating and it just gives an answer to some questions like

why did the pharaoh meet him why did why was the kaaba built in a certain way in line with certain stars why did you know like these things it just adds why is it that ibrahim al-islam is being mentioned as giving the example of celestial bodies in the quran it just kind of gives a little flavor to it that's the story remains the same even if somebody says no none of that is true he's just uh you know he's always from um let's say north eastern iraq and he always uh you know he just got lucky and met the pharaoh and he just whether you have a totally different version the story is still the same it doesn't

really change it just gives it a different flavor that's all so uh the story of the idols being broken could be in india instead of in mesopotamia no that would no no so they would have long left that indian thing because of the floods so either he wasn't alive at the time when they or he was very young when they've left from the flood because the because what happens in history you see the indus valley civilization comes to an end and when it comes to an end where do the people go so the general historians and anthropologists say they migrated westwards so they went to words because where did the people go because obviously they

didn't live there once the flood happened and it was a huge civilization one of the ancient civilizations of man is the indus valley civilization so so generally people say well they went westwards but we don't know you know so hence you get a lot of these names as well and the in the overflow they seem very kind of indian as well that kind of indus valley in origin you know like even names like the gilgamesh the great things of mesopotamia and even the mitani people who settle in the middle east and and they have this obviously very powerful people as well and all these it's they their names also seem to

have that kind of tone to it but yeah this is all just guess and you know it doesn't mean anything nobody has to take it too seriously it's just thoughts but okay yeah so um cool so shukran uh for that shahid i appreciate it we are getting late here so shukran do send me a message on instagram i'll look out for you take care once again likewise people that was shy i got carried away in the discussion as i mentioned it's epic having him on there just getting carried away somebody said uh

uh i'll spring it i have you think about the question of the most spring of the most spring uh i don't know that must be to someone else okay um ibrahim could be around the mohenjo-daro time it could be or he's when mahindra or but what we know is that the indus valley civilization is coming to an end and people migrate and we're talking of you know hundreds of thousands of people i mean you know obviously where do they go because they don't stay there anymore so they definitely go somewhere and

many uh anthropologists feel that they migrated uh westward towards the middle east and this is why the bible says that about abraham that his family were from ur which is you are which is in north eastern middle east but they say but the bible says is but the origins were from the east it just doesn't mention we're in the east and some people have argued that um but in my clip i go through all of this anyway that um they even speak about why some people felt that the term hebrew

was used because of passing through that they passed through the river and stuff like this but this is all speculation you know what i say is that if it interests you if it creates a passion in you then research it look into it get those you know brain cells firing away if it doesn't interest you it's nothing to get so preoccupied about it's fine you know you can you can hear something and that's the verse that we cover today

those who hear something and they follow that which to them is the best of it so if something doesn't appeal to you don't worry these things are just opinions you have to learn to accept that people certain they may have certain passions your passions may vary guys it's been a hell of an evening let's wrap this up so those of you that have already there's been quite a few yeah so somebody mentioned very quickly because it kind of linked in why ibrahim ali islam's name was mentioned because in some recitations i believe it has been read as abraham

because his name changed as the bible mentions as well so in surah baqarah it is spelt slightly differently and in the other verses of the quran it's spelt with ibrahim and i believe that's to represent that name change with that guys uh let's there's a super chat sami much love shook and thoughts for spreading thought provoking knowledge and giving hope to lost travelers of this world as always much appreciated guys if you haven't already like subscribed do like to subscribe to share this amongst your loved ones the near and dear and get it out there let's uh other than that if you need to uh reach

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