Ust. Atif Iqbal | The Seige of Makkah & Succeeding world events | MindTrap with Mufti #21

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I see yep that's fine all right people so tonight's episode of my trap I've got an amazing guest I'm just bringing in right before you right now you can see that picture that you're seeing right there people that is not for one of those fashion magazines or of some some celebrity it is of a celebrity we're not off a pop star it's not a beefed-up version of pitbull this is

austere art if it ball from Birmingham a renowned specialist a policy adviser on reducing criminality a consultant trainer on building resilience to radicalization he has designed developed and delivered monitoring programs for vulnerable young people and many of these have been on an international level as well so bringing in our guest us we can muster wanna confirm with the

argumentation social isolating goods oh no no kisses upon the handsome inviting me tonight at home that I be really looking forward to this and also to talk about and allowing me to talk about a topic that I want to talk about Marsha a lot because I was an event that took place in history for which the ramifications the reverberations and the consequences of that event we are living

with today I think and I think for people that ain't too familiar with all of these things what we we're kind of zooming in from a backdrop a narrative of saying well this seems to be an air of unfortunately of a kind of like a very dogmatic and extremist sometimes radical kind of thought element that is present unfortunately although it may be in small quantities was still very

visibly present within religious societies especially within Muslims what is this all about what is the etiology where was this born out of me was this always there or is this something a more recent phenomenon so that's what we're talking about in me of stuff so all right so first of all I mean how just what how is this a area of passion for you I mean some people might think extremism radicalization oh you know just something I'd rather not think about what why how is this become an

area of passion for you like you said you know there's only big you know there's a small my new population that actually actively get involved right in in extreme well and then there's a great two number which I categorize won't be as G hobbies okay hobbies you know the like going on to certain four rooms or download certain literature's of watch this video the closer the names concern don't dress in a certain way the balance of their

own in in a certain manner you know I'll categorize them if you copy okay armchair jihadists the consequences of the actions of the U which impact upon the menu okay I just don't talk about you know you're looking from perspective you know when it comes to even myself traveling across Europe catching planes going through an airport cannot generally walking around you know the way I am perceived you know

and the way I am pursuing you know it is a certain stereotype of course and you and the viewers can't see here because of the way the angling but you cannot truly appreciate the bicep size of right here I mean here they are like you've got that you know the boa constrictor Python kind of that's what they you know

high-risk you know young men yeah so me so this this area it's not and you don't find it kind of like morbid or sometimes a bit depressing who people might have these thoughts that look this kind of an area of just looking at people an extremist thought and you know uh you know this is like it just just leaves me on a Down people might think that mean is that do you feel something like that ever or what you'll there's no different than looking at this area when I look at all the other

Acropolis negative influences the negative points and addictive activities which exist within inner city within in city areas yeah when I when I look at you know thinking about criminality when you look at things around drug use Jensen when you look at general behavior when you look at you know low academic achievements understand when you when talk to young people and you think oh my god what are your aspirations you know what motivates you concern what is your objective what is your goal in life when you hook up all these things of course there's an element winging it you're gonna feel their own and maybe

you know you know I don't want you using the word depressed but on the other side it's always this is always with my focus if you can help one or two then then you've done your part yeah okay does the reality is you're not going to be able to change the whole system just like look let's be honest here with all the with all the resources that the police and the security services and every other agency you know the youth service well when it exists it down and totally decimated you know doncha and all these other services but all their resources at their disposal if they can't resolve the problem you've

got to be realistic about this you're not gonna you're not gonna resolve the issue but what you are gonna do not your real problem what you will do you will ensure a lot change the trajectory of maybe one two or three yeah take a place my negative pathway to a positive pathway and handler that I need started fulfilling in traffic yeah and also what you're what you're doing is also showing many Muslims that look there are this this is what the problem actually is you're unpacking it you're tech dissecting it you're not kind of leaving it as a because people Muslims are hearing in the media that all Muslims

are terrorists or you know they're being kind of labeled and stereotyped and pigeon-holed and and people don't know like they know that yeah they terrorists they know that people they know are terrorists so you know where is the problem is it all a lie is everybody just always lying about Islam or does it actually exist and and in many ways you're shedding light on that for these people and saying well this is what the problem actually is so you know when you look at this whole agenda in the media immediate ization that has taken place and the wait wait the media portrays it and the way that we media you know presents muslims unless we only see look

at some of the tabloid you know point energies the articles of the headline of course the discriminative towards Islam done to Muslim but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna set back and say no dinner a posting up even when it comes down to government policy and the you know certain agendas isn't they are discriminating towards Muslims there's no doubt about that okay but however we've got to look at the other side of the spectrum as well right and we do have challenges within our community you know why you sit up in Bethnal Green you know a few years about

three young schoolgirls in 1850 in the sixteen certainly selected to fly over and enjoy and join the crisis good serve why is it that young people yeah you know yes but no you know have been brought up in this society educated in previous school in in in schools you know the mother tongue now is English it's not from duo on call your Arabic it's English nope the culture is the British youth culture yet something occurs during that trajectory you also go remember radicalization in itself

would be as you know is not an event area dot process now it is up assess it's not an event it's a process so Boeing are a lot route yet some how is it that they end up in something you know in the third line in Syria it you know these things have to be explored and one of the things are really concerned meaning was you know yes when you come across somebody who was categorized as being radical it was just pure testosterone Jen Stan is very much you know guys the gender you know the teenage brain you know I've gotta feel

part of something children would be the last few individuals I've arranged with a front to me because they have internalized the narrative yeah - I'm blown away how these individuals had internalized all these concepts can say the ideology the politicized concepts and and then we young people that we've done this a lot of whoa it is changing it is changing and one of the things that I've always pushed especially with

the policy makers is do not let the debate or the discussion go underground just because remember what as it's a process and what about by that when you say don't let it go underground what do we mean by that that's in those sensory in order to tackle this this phenomena is to have that open discussion young-sam the open discourse that debate in a safe space doesn't so I don't you know that young people the I'm engaging and I'm talking to and I'm disgusting

with just that what is their mindset what is their opinion why is a big white fitfully fur is mobile retired yes sir because once I know that then I can slowly start and picking it or giving them an alternative viewpoint or terms of reference is normative sources but because you think the discussions have gone underground yeah a lot of round because of the agenda now in the securitisation of the agenda those discussions are not being happy and if they're looking at what the bridges like myself and indeed we just want yourself but they serve individual you I having those discussions with them and pulling

them and seducing that yeah into a very wrong now if you can either romantic narrative yeah I mean are we saying like let's just say for people who are maybe new to this discussion we're saying well the first step is admitting that there is some problem is this what we're saying that there is a problem I would say yeah I think the first step is that we do have some challenges yeah and the thing about it you know as opposed to denial just being you know because sometimes you get people saying no no even if like

so there was this a while back if you remember with the you know the tragedy of the Manchester bombing I think you know the I was the ariana grande or the one of them but at that time there was this social media discussion that is it okay to inform on if your neighbor or somebody who happened to be a Muslim and he was highly suspect like you as you as a Muslim were thinking you know I don't think this guy's up to some good he you know I think he's met he's got some explosive so I think he's got something should you be

is it Haram to inform on these people to phone the police and I remember Abu Issa Shahab Orissa had this whole Facebook post saying look people you need to you know if there's something suspicious like that or if somebody's an extremist like if somebody he hasn't you haven't seen anything but he talks about we should kill Kafar or Co far deserved to die or even if he's saying we don't we shouldn't kill them but they deserve this and he was saying that you should report this this is extremism but the reluctance that Muslims on at that time this is a few years back that kind of tragedy but that the social media thing was saying oh but they're Muslims though

and you know this is this really right and people were in a stage of denial that they weren't prepared to accept that we have any challenges amongst us no I know you very the very very valid point to this and let's let's take it away let's take away the individual is a Muslim you learn unless say the individual isn't saying you know deskilled aboard and let's kill the infidels and you know yeah you know big of Isis let's say the individual was a non-muslim and that individual is promoting hate and violence and killing of a certain ethnic group okay yeah let's look at neo-nazi

or far-right would you remove him or him because the reality is I mean you can answer this uh far better than me when it comes to issues around thick and you know this you know the sanctity of human life and the preservation of human life concern I mean you tell me at this moment um is there a criteria you know okay I'll be sanctifying protecting mostly Michael non-muslim like exactly its life altogether

exactly we gotta talk about in my opinion and in my research yeah I did my analysis yet where do people begin where is this virus it was not on this agenda

yeah we have got very very mine I start in a lot of research because you always have to ask how did it all begin cuz you know what I know nobody wakes up one name versus assault okay yeah now I'm gonna go back to jihad understand exactly know what happened we know why was aligned at home why did the Russians invade Afghanistan Johnson why do you need individual suddenly go on such a conservative austere you know

understanding yeah oh gee actor but you even today we we are feeling the reverberations and the consequences day and that one event movie was the siege of Makkah the siege of Makkah people the siege not the movie that's the real event the siege the Islamic the Forgotten Islamic uprising in the most holiest of Holies of places yes the harem concern the majestic majesty

yeah of the mustard al Haram wasn't violated right he won't fight the perpetrators who laid the siege and also by the authority who attempted time after time after time to expel the rebel now this is something that first of all people have no idea that problem people what you're even talking about now they think this is the after-effects of some of the mushrooms you've had for his thought I want to be clear that those mushrooms I had them and that wasn't right but there was people those of you

that do not know the holy site of Makkah was held under siege it's taken hostage mr. grumpy and look what I'm gonna do now yeah I'm gonna present this in absolutely please forgive me if I take off with your show no this is this is for you to take over just us they took over Makkah and destroyed Islam

[Laughter] let's do this Bukka secondly the historical context that led up to the siege of Metra right okay then in more detail the siege yeah yeah you know the events that took place and how finding the saudis you know you know finally apprehended the rebels and tofu and fourthly yeah

the pumps the global consequences yet and the global ramifications of that one event that took place nearly 14 years ago and for us Muslims are so many events have taken place in history yeah but the contemporary world we are living in today would be just an only Twinkie we'll talk about Islamophobia when they talk about Islamic militancy where they talk about discrimination and why we being classed and categorized as terrorists and extremists all gold goes back to the 20th of November 1979 which

was the Tuesday okay that was the same year in which I was born it was a sign it was destined to be people in in January almost forgot the 20th Tuesday November 1979 folks I mean three right leg yeah a group of rebels I say a group of rebels but you know some estimates it

has 273 some people all hundred oh yeah rebel yeah who entered in to the grand mustard just up the budget and remember this was a time with a hajj season had just finished and so a lot of the pilgrims had left but there was still a huge amount of pilgrims inside the masjid some estimates say a hundred thousand were still inside the masjid they came in they had accessed they had machine guns rifles sniper rifles glazed explosive detonators then walked in they

sealed the doors shut the guards that thought of any form of resistance right when over to the Imam and I think the mall Imam at that time was another cracking Mohamed it chef Mohammed invincible they went up to him and the best his first reaction was oh I know these faces because some of them were his students whoa students right so you thinking oh you know I know these faces it took the point from and then made an announcement yes that they are taking over the grand moisture all right some

of the rebels positioned themselves in the minarets around the mustard with sniper rifles and began shooting and police officer or anybody that they gained or categorize what they may think up in part is spooky service they picked them up and these individuals were one-armed and they were well-trained and the siege of mater lasted Oh what was it mean 15 days okay now what led up to this event yet what what would have influenced yeah you know a group of

Muslims and these individuals were religious fanatics you know there was ns what influenced them what motivated them what were the drivers and you know I just don't throw this in what would the push and the pull factors would be for people that don't know those are common terms that are often used in the fact is that let each individual not only to take siege of the mount of the holy what holy all the phases Islam but also be

prepared to kill other Muslims in order to understand that we gotta go back a few years you understand with me I know obviously let's look at the situation within Saudi Arabia all right and let's go back to 1970 to understand what's happening in 1979 and to give you an example of revenue in 1970 yeah Saudi Arabia's oil revenue was about a billion dollars right in 1979 the old revenues about a hundred billion so look at the exponential growth in this revenue so in

the mid-70s coming up the latter part of the 70s with all this influx of all these petrol dollars are coming in Saudi Arabia embarked upon a second modernization program okay took place in the hoagies we didn't even know it was first discovered and that was largely around infrastructure roads and you know telecommunications and power all this kind of stuff that's what that was around you know building hospitals and schools and houses and homes that was the first your phase of modernization the second phase of modernization was

you know what entertainment John Stanton television stations radio station shopping malls entertainment places entertainment parks this we disgruntled yes and granted yet upon the conservative order that the clerics within Saudi Arabia to son who saw this yeah as this satanic influence influence permanent permeating you know the sacred Islamic Emirate of Saudi Arabia just huh

yeah and also as you know um within within Saudi Arabia for many many decades information there was always a balance of power you are the house of sound and you had people a man the clerics and the scholars the House of Saud could take any major decision without consulting and getting agreement from the full amount first yeah the other with the Aleutian yes family of the ship here oh yeah revenue wait you know exponentially increased so much and to understand that let's go back it's

let's go to 73 the Yom Kippur War Yom Kippur War okay in Israel okay hopefully when the Arabs we are countries collectively Syria well Jordan was meant to but you know there's a debate with a fever he didn't Syria Jordan in Egypt we're gonna attack Israel simultaneously at the same time yeah which they did yes however you know it wasn't very successful yeah because I'm not looking to detail about the over for war but he's ring but we're able to you know repeal it and push back and the Arab armies and also they took quite a

bit of territory as well in Nicosia right know that put the Arab world in alone it was in the state to depression thinking all my your how was it that such a small country like Israel yeah was able to defeat yeah yeah the the collective might of the Arab armies okay now the answer obviously you know the conservative clerics of Saudi Arabia they had the answer to this so they went in face I would say do you know why we lost all the reason we lost the wall because of the American because the

American you know to weapons to resources you know giving them you know satellite imaging or all the rest of it is because of American what you need and then they remind me King Faisal yeah of the agreement yeah that President Roosevelt may with King Abdulaziz on the USS Quincy Jones in the late forties when king of Florence from President Roosevelt that look you're crazy and you know a Jewish state growing in the heart of the Arab lands yeah was Arabs one day decide to attack

I want your assurance that you will not support Israel through the aid of the Latino shows there's a not okay he did so that love at the time Saudi Arabia was soon becoming the biggest oil producer in the world yeah an oil function was increasing year on year on year globally in Sandy tendency of South you will be coming you know in the increasing many fold so obviously you want to do please king of the disease knowing full well they never gonna stick to that commitment yeah yeah

they remind me King Faisal that look at this agreement that was made and every named upon this agreement so now you use the weapon at your disposal the weapon of oil so what did teen face will do you turn the tops of look be just an and then Saudi oil no thank you oil on the will walk this is the famous the whole kind of crisis in the seventies so this is me when he came back on the markets all over the baby dogs a barrel back in the seventies look at me typical his life and all of a sudden here's an oldie

Massey's amount of revenue committee so now you had the Saudi will Amanda clarity who basically told its modernization program cause they were concerned it was a satanic program now most of them were like okay though do all criticisms will do this you know from one individual Joe Hammond who Tavey yet who led this rebellion right and remember one thing the Saudis always tried to pass it off as what that was some type of that you know local incident and they even tried to blame

this year oh is it because it's it's also the same year that the Iranian Revolution is the present yeah I think that actually happened on or one day before my birthday also the same yeah yeah very closely in the year when the window Russians invaded when they made wat sorry when the Russian in baby the browser or dam was that in 79 as well it's it's an interesting year people so now you had one individual Joe he may

know Daisy and he basically was so angry going on and I've brought up his picture by the way and on the screen for the viewers they've seen it I don't also brought up a kind of slideshow of some other pictures so you can see them time to time walls he because openly critical of the House of Saud to extent that is the stuff feed on King Khalid in the

house of Salim because they have influence yeah by Satan and their line movie satanic influences and ideas permeating and manifesting in the Islamic Emirate of Saudi Arabia so he he pronounces them as non-muslims okay now this was basically a shock to the House of Saud because generally thinking all right you know at the end the day you know we've got a history within the house of sound of of gambling we've got a history you know you know drink fast

about alcohol and you know all your the voices that we indulge in but nobody's actually no he's actually designated as poor people exactly exactly so the House of Saud is something that they can tolerate and also just another hot no Joey main okay me yeah it was a officer in the National Guard yeah okay and also a prominent student up in bars yeah I mean for people who don't know that at that time prior to this what our thief is explaining here prior to this

they had been a kind of religious movement called the jama'at el martes about to salafiyyah yes and they had using the same name as salafiyyah and it had a bunch of scholars in it and what they were doing was this was a kind of like almost like a proto Balaban kind of movement where they were going around saying that people should be praying why are you not praying close your shop go to Salah and sometimes they got a bit physical or even if they didn't get to physical they were quite aggressive but they were like it a mini almost like a state within a state but they weren't

like they weren't you know at that point they hadn't blown up so huge but amongst them were people like Shep in bars was a part of it they had people like Cheryl Bonnie was a part of it part of it they had chef Luke bill was a part of it but Caribous aid I believe was the amede but at this time it hadn't become violent in that sense like extreme mist like in you know as as extremists and OTB juhayman which were learning about was a low-ranking member of that group of that crew yeah but later on they the official verdict is that that crew got

dismantled but otay be sorry you know Jerry monolith baby goes solo apparently but you have carry on sorry you say we like it very well pointed out the crew gets dismantled but in are you making the influences that crews do exist today of course of course because that's not commonly what you've mentioned you know the scholars they look up from and some of those fellows are within the whole junda of salafiyyah who were part of that crew so this show he mean Jamie you know they became an offshoot from man all right and you know obviously he was so I mean in his own

words he was so disgusted by the modernization programs that were taking place within Saudi Arabia that even his followers decided to deliver life of bed wings down actually went and camped in the desert and interesting he hadn't okay did he have quite a substantial following America Europe from the UK straight yet you know it was a you know you know when Germany and he and his crew write laid siege to the - to Mecca

you know this was young the first time globally we see you know an active an active you know an act of terrorism yeah yeah perpetrated by an international jihad because I'm a baby it was international jihadi group and you look at a makeup yeah and a composition these individual so he went and settled out in the desert because obviously so disgusted with with modernity and at the ends a you know how they're women come on television gentle how dare we have radio stations out there we are bowling alleys and oh my god they've got cinemas and entertainment parks yeah

let's just shut ourselves away from it however the House of Saud you which is quite interesting your issue the name arrest an arrest warrant for him and his crew good obviously now they filter feed on you know King Khalid and the other senior ranking members of the House of Saud when she's talking unacceptable yeah the interesting thing is this yeah the postman that was delivering the warrant to the local police station also belong to do a be tried so what he yeah before delivering the warrant he went to see

Jamie I mean him look I've got you a restaurant here so you know what I'm not gonna hand it straight away to the police station yeah you need to make a quick getaway it's not right okay it's always it's always good to help the Maddy L you know you gotta you gotta give him a helping hand or chilli you know some of these some of these boys and some of these lads yet and some of these crew because it was people members with you he's cruel as well yeah well they were their female members

in his group I like it I can't consider me tell him to resend me the application form I might be nervous right yeah so they were taken into it president into jail where they were subsequently you know tortured it beaten and then how about gets do into being the lip off

alright I'm intrigued Sharon Bock yeah because he is the former UC is a part of that whole crew Martin masters impetus Olivia because remember one thing when it comes to the concepts and when it comes to the ideology there was no difference between them isn't no real difference with Jamie and all the other Clements really saturated the only difference being is they were prepared to lay siege to maka that was the only difference other than that exactly because they were kind of all talk and he was the one that's

saying let's walk the walk baby boss intervenes a live on their behalf because a large proportion of them would is students yeah yeah so yeah obviously probably didn't want too much information getting out there just as he goes and basically you know I'm there on their behalf requesting Khalid that law hey young you know good a big immature they got a big excited just everything really mean they don't really mean it was like oh just like a big of a Jewish

man so you know let them go now there might be a punishment I mean torture that mean be in debt them girl something harder releases them yeah once again the balance of power within Saudi Arabia understand yeah the house of south always wants to keep the conservative clerics on fun Lizzie because people there are not so familiar with this is that not going into this before your own research is that the way the kingdom in

essence was set up it was always in an alliance between the the elucha which is normative not Hubbs kind of legacy and his offspring and it was al-assad so these tribes and they kind of it was an interdependency they supplied the power they supplied the religious legitimacy to rule and not only that not only that the father wasn't here but i'll Wahab gave a great practice cuz it was zealots yet and one of the one of tribes that was very very fanatic and great i was i was again you with baby tribe it was the tribal with babies no

going back when you've raised another interesting point when you know abdul aziz you know you know took over Arabia and his I they mix out the Arabia because the only country in the world just named after a man you know I never thought of that until you said it's like what should we call this shall we call this like pure land shall we call it the kingdom of hope shall we call it the kingdom the sacred kingdom he's like shall we name it after Islam he's like no let's name

it after my dad Wow okay once he established in 1926 and in 1927 remember one thing you know we going back to you know you know Lawrence of Arabia yeah yeah the British the British supported the House of Saud you know they support the House of Saud it's all there once he had

established a grave 1927 at the Treaty of Jordan yet he asks he asked for me this is you know just some of the stuff that went unused I'm researching come across resized to like I mean I think just so confused at that moment in time just I'm asking the European powers okay only taken over you become you want to become the moment but why are you asking the European you can be the because one must take the correct blessings our Sharat Lina's a

rudy with abilities now he's content is content look like a [ __ ] them yoga territory this is a simply honest I'm just gonna chill now and right but the followers and a lot of them were part you pay me try they weren't content with this what are you talking about the disease Jensen we're gonna fight the infidels we're gonna fight the heretics we got a point she owes you soon so they started doing attacking Shia villages and obviously I'm the leading suspect

you thinking look no more fighting yoga I just fooling killed dude he called in the British right okay air support and they bombed they bombed the tribe of a baby okay that's interesting very interesting as well because first fanaticism and extremism the Kingdom in the thirties but look what happened in the 70s it raised up the game it's like you know they're pushing back and then the the the reactionary you know for every action of reaction is gonna come

perhaps ten times stronger look you've got children and one of the greatest movies of all time for inspiration yes a motivation the best quotes is which continent rependa where you know the body is the tiger Tyrone is all tied up in jail and all the people gods are protecting you right and I think it's the Tories whatever master or acquire have a Cochran of the name and message

yeah look yeah so basically can you go and point out yes if I'm wrong is still locked up in prison is he still chained just a present yeah and so mastership to thinking alright then yeah I'll send the duck to investigate go to the prison and find out if he's okay okay but just before with that I think he's not stuck I on my I've got my names mixed up it's late you know all the rest of it it happens and thank you for the mushrooms

what else can one do a star with the duck he goes be mindful okay sometimes you meet your destiny on the path you take to avoid when you meet your destiny movie to movie so what happened he sends the doctors over to the prison and having a look all day all day you know

all the rhinoceros to the gods which are nurses his door in place elephants of them Tyrol they're kind of chained up on the floor on a rock here so doc is flapping its wings investigating of what happens one of his feathers drops down and he lands just by the door Tyrol yeah and it gets tea and it gets the pattern with that feather it unlocks itself and it escapes in prison yeah sometimes you meet your destiny on the [ __ ] cake to

some come from the Honda seems to be where where it's at where is happening so all these fanatics now yeah I've been released yeah you know at the request an awesome his is excellency or the gun now these individuals rather than thinking okay reflecting on the error of their ways yeah that look my god which in the Sunday's we got punished the porches all the rest of it they saw this all

incident as divine intervention but this the Lord is on our side yes we are upon the truth we are on the hook heads release the world in diminishing yet that extreme conservative austere black-and-white we're not going to accept anything else ideology yet running dissipating it a galvanized it will people know in the

noises we write know the interesting part is it's the only wonder the how was it yeah dad Joe Amen right the one thing they said about Joey meaning that he was quite charismatic okay but often with kind of like cult leaders and things like that yeah you think about all the celebrity leaders across from a to Isis look up all the major groups going and even when you look at you know the right-wing extremism you look at the Aryan Nation all these individuals yet you take it there was hoping something they were always individual that had

charisma yeah and Herod had that charm even though his misplaced but they also said about joy remained I'm looking at that yeah quite a hypnotizing nature about him babysat with him mesmerized and you'd be like yeah you'd be like totally submissive you know any you know any gracing to every one of these come and knocked up the nature of your nature or to bring up that beautiful stunning stood right there so people can see him look at that charisma people off off you

captain [ __ ] he got the papal [ __ ] if carry-ons carrying weapons into the most redoubtable King yeah too who Yuri how did they make these lame I mean they couldn't have just kind of stuck them between their lungi and just kind of walked in with it right there feel big now because obviously you know you know you know twice on one side the

House of Saud you just said are you is that a gun you're carrying are you just happy to see me it's like no no I'm just I'm happy to be in the in the first row [Laughter] [Music] [Music] yeah yeah at the basement area okay it's the basement and this basement for the language of tunnels and different room and what they used to do in in don't you babies you know any time that the

janazah the coffins and the maggots sometimes they would place there yeah and then okay so what remain and his crew with doing with sneaking weapons and explosives in coffins yeah walking straight past the security guards yeah going straight into the kaboom could remember some of these individual spaces were no German to be a mom of the horrible they knew their faces there were students of Bimbo's state their face for one long listen they entered into the caboose and the coffins were full of weapons and they started storing

stuff just something used as a step-up for weapons you know Kasturi that's how they got the weapons in over a period of two three weeks where they were slowly bringing them in each time understand now because I had heard that yeah that it was with the bodies and things like that that they were sneaking them in but yeah damn I see is like an extensive I mean this would have taken him what like months hunting I'm assuming no because there's so many of them okay nobody's actually opening up the coffee to investigating school what was actually in them Jennifer there there's no scanners you know the body

has to go through there was no security thought remains because nobody well nobody would have ever imagined envision or ever expected that anybody would lay siege to his firm's holiest place yes never my concern or never mind a Muslim group that would do it there was they never perceived a threat even the gods on the doors never had guns don't like weapons after 79 so I start to explore this it look these guys were religious fanatics gemstone yeah everything was black and white for them you know there's no great area so carrying weapons into the harem a totally

unacceptable yeah prepared to kill in right in front of the farmer totally unacceptable right yeah you know however look at the way Joe he made convince them to do okay he created the MIDI the musty and so there was an individual amongst a group by the name of Mohammed Abdullah okay okay

[Laughter] definitely the one with the big forehead his name convinced him convinced him that he was demented and I need an innovative all these prophetic tradition describing the Mehdi you know the Prophet Solomon and said that he would have my name and my father's name look you've got the name Muhammad and you've got the name Abdullah Mohammed Abdullah just turn your lighting complexion you said you've

got the marks of a prophet sort of some talked about that would be visible on the middie you are the mehndi and then and then you know these rumors started yes that I'm surely puppy they instigated the rumors himself that you know the pilgrims inlet count hundreds thousands of my having visions of you Mohammed Abdullah they seeing human daydreams they see me standing by the table John Stanley with the banner of the prophet in your hand you are the mentee and what yeah you know for a couple of days he you know he went into

like a spiritual reduced thinking okay I might have idiom of the Mende and then when he came out you know it's something interesting on a very site on a sidenote very quickly is that I remember reading in in this like a pop psych book on the couch or was he called on the edge but I think on the couch and he speaks about his kind of opening chapter is about how every individual out there suffers from an extreme concern of two Polaroid thoughts one is that they feel that oh

my god that they are so you know so incredibly bad and someday the world will find out about them and on the other hand they feel but they how is it that that they feel they are so special as a person the world just doesn't recognize it and I feel that you know if anybody was to kind of using certain skills hone in on trying to tell you how special you are this is just an example of how far that could go because you just think I am special of course I'm special you'd be like bad

of course I'm special my mom used to always tell me I'm special I just forgot the word special needs but yes okay so he so he buys into this himself Muhammad el-mahdi convincing Johnson he's couldn't his identity now Johnson he is demons I still come at the end of time can son he is the one now he's gonna lead the

armies of truth against the armies of falsehood just stop it and even to this extent obviously you know obviously we talked about you know the coming of inside him but he was there in this view of course you are the one that is gonna align yourself with the media Malaysia I said you are that lucky and he was convinced and now when he was he but however however it did cause a fragmentation among a group and it look good okay some other thinking now this is just too perfect for us to

believe there's always like that there's always the sober two or three in the group they are thinking like fun yeah and then you know you know join me with these with these you know charisma linguistic skills yet convinced the others are these individuals know you know you know we've become ever kicks it away Johnson then deviating away from the Paul Johnson there to come to satanic influences so it's very free

yeah well I would say managing of before peer pressure takes hold it everybody say no way man yeah home of the flood you ain't not happy is that Nana he he saves that he says it's a rest of them now you know we haven't done anything with us to go in and announce it is foretold that the Maddie will be announced at the foot of the table are

we are going to do this and why did he select the 23rd 11 1979 why the 20 of November movies no idea why why the 20th of September remember that was the door yeah of the new century also his followers yeah got the dawn of the 15th century that meant the Islamic Islamic new century for let me just in case you're thinking yeah into place so yeah of course and that would have been so

that's the 1400s just beginning people think and then when they entered into the hora mean you know just after budget so long you know it was hot to remember you know how'd you just finish so you still haven't you know a large amount yeah of course of course it's a Georgia so this that they came in you know they lock the doors straight away just and shot some of the security

guards multi-shot them going you know in the grand Masjid this is after super yeah this is straight off the tsuba in the morning off the furture in the morning and then they walk over to the Imam and the man at that time I think mohammed al mohammed surveil chef's ability he was at the part yes they will talk to him obviously he reckoned doing some thinking uh these are my students a friend friend friend yes the next thing you know they think snatch his

microphone away from him yeah yeah yeah holding my weight and then do the announcement that the magazine has arrived a lot here in come on everybody Legion to the ninety and while the individual was doing the speech yeah you know the speech of the announcement of the arrival of the Mataji yes yeah Jermaine kept taking the microphone and giving instructions to invent listen guys and you know here are you in the East Wing yeah those guys you selenium top north minaret yeah yet four and two days he announced but okay yet

guys let me shut the door to it and you don't do so because it was quite like that however as much as there was confusion that was taking place there was also individual thinking custom in a nori innuendo way now what happened the Masjid is from the siege he boys are up in the minarets picking up a Tootsie

gods at least something says for me yet at least calm and be going to world train concern a lot of them work well you know soldiers you know from in the National Guard joy being himself was the opposite National Guard oh so all of a sudden this is it now yeah is in a huge crisis the Kaaba is down people Haram has fallen has fallen in Sam so remember one thing externally they go by the title of King King Khalid can find king of do lucky for the man

whatever but internally there are lot more humble are they they go by the title of the custodian of the two holy munchies card amanakara main card ed doesn't we are the custodians but hang on you failed here you failed you couldn't protect you could majestic so what happened what you can call it first do what did he do he ordered yeah okay after having to renew his stinger and will do he's probably like oh I need to do is thin the first thing

I need what's the the next most important thing he did this was serious embarrassment for the house of sound you know you could even protect oh well yes you could protect the harem so what did he do did not information to get out he ordered complete shutdown of all television radio telephone communications nothing how do that was on communicate lockdown a la incommunicado people is going down

is unblocked however what he never anticipated was the CIA of this engender okay what about the CIA or worse what's this about okay open online directly to Washington okay okay so they you know Washington yeah speak to whoever the communications person was at our time and give them a briefing of the day's events so we gave the briefings then you finished up oh by the way the rebels are taking over the grandmonsters they've

taken of the grandma much just long enough in in America okay so next day at the White House press briefing yeah when I put the press Secretary's giving you know cutting of him and then he pinches oh oh by the way um rebels rebels have laid siege to the Grand Mosque adventure okay it was like a wildfire in Washington know when that information went global you ain't window just an well in a semi in Washington the Saudis tried to suppress it we thought it was alright

okay always here if when once he hit you know every news organization and every news channel every newspaper globally picked it up boom it was like a wildfire customers can you mother's been taken over and then all the conspiracy is coming it's a Jewish conspiracy it's an American conspiracy Jason remembering that it's the same year that you've had the revolution no I mean the

Iranian hostage okay I'm talking about

this

right yeah it was like kind of inspired by the Pope in 1981 in say be

is wait the Pope is dying he's showing three times okay feed your pet car anyway let's get back to the actual see didn't sell all right so what started happening so now you've got muscling the angry all over the world and what they're doing there they started packing no American Embassy concerned okay the usual go to like the obvious solution for every problem should we attack the American Embassy [Laughter] we'll talk about dying let's just pop that one moment right let's go yeah I mean do these people have a game plan

like what are they thinking let's talk about the game plan wait so what was the game plan right so pin harlot then you know hold upon you know the high-ranking princes which is brothers yeah Prince Knight yeah head of the interior ministry right Prince Abdullah who later on became King Abdullah yet I don't the National Guard right Prince talkie-talkie been unfaithful yeah head of the intelligence Directorate right then you had for you know Prince always makes me laugh and

I say his name [Music] soon to go over to America in sangeun and he's gonna be the ambassador in Washington right to pull them all together and say alright Jeremy we've got this massive crisis massive issue that's taking place yeah okay well we need a game plan here we need a game plan yet so what we good so each Prince is saying and this is it now this is it

right the book holiest place yeah yeah yeah is under siege right and the sickening arrogance of the House of Saud is still prevalent allah sickening arrogance of the House of Saud Johnson yeah and the total yet is to God for the truth concern and such how can i play you know such unbelievable incompetence on their behalf so what do they do they're trying to work out his game plan of what we're gonna do here your son you

know Prince Abdullah saying you're not based on we want politics okay you know I'm the

final say it's like that yeah okay

building skills together to such an extent that even their raviel would not sink to darkness together

Wow yeah what's the result of that they decided to go in at night will turn all the lights off yeah okay and we wants to mitaina sleek um okay the National Guard whatever you know what you you cook them king abdulaziz game you don't want you you confirmed it from the other game Johnson no fingers won't synchronize do anything but there's one other important factor yeah that precipitating right Oh big

this first attempt on removing the rebel because we remember we've got the manatee inside the car okay what if you use the mini oh that moment of doubt after all I have to answer to God someday and all the other different departments and security agencies some of them are thinking I'm on a minute if

that is the main thing inside the Kaaba yeah and we are going to go and point the maybe your son we are going to have internal domination in the out fire buh-buh-bah we're gonna be in the deepest pits of how what if that is the right thing how can we raise arms against the baby yeah so that was a new dilemma now for the house of song right so lucky the House of Saud do you know what we'll have to call you will have to call in the clinics now do you

understand calling the week the clerics mary i know people they weren't referring to me i was just at that point something like nine months old the soldiers were saying and the people whom they intelligence service even the police you keep something I want we

ain't gotta go in now no chance if that is the baby and they got down started maybe the baby maybe we fight against the making and see in total domination in the deepest pits of Hell fire for us you can see it so that's calling people a map that's calling the clerics here we need up a power on this one concern yeah the what what did the boys into clerics okay they saw it as an opportunity okay yeah for themselves to get further conservative

measures implementing ah okay this is interesting oh so what they said was so they convened they had a meeting for three days these are the conservative planets for God's sake I'm saying look God is under siege they so for three days did you say five meals a day and we'll just need three days and we'll be shortening

the prison what was going on with this a list of demands and you know what irony is what all of those demands were more or less the criticisms of joining me so

they're just asking for so really great from Germain especially TV station was even in fact in they have effect a female presenter of television okay okay no no googling air people no googling no female presented on television good son yes and also the criteria of programming that you could show so it's just to exercise control really that he bring

back that religious conservative measures were implemented more or less exactly the same yeah as as the criticism of joining I wonder if the things like you know they multiply the religious police thing kind of stems from stems from something like that at that point to someone you know

yes I'm sorry they definitely stem them yeah of course of course and the interesting thing is this even even now I think was lost you the year before yeah the Crown Prince yeah mvs Mohammed bin Saleh man he actually talked about briefly about the siege of Mecca and he said before the siege yes Saudi Arabia was embracing modernity and we were progressive yeah as a culture we were progressing however after the siege of Mecca yet we just went even more conservative and being because the House

of Saud wanted to appease the conservative clothes because they don't want another uprising yeah even King holidays at the time and said in his words were just as well they didn't go for my palace it's like well thank God it was just the Kaaba and not my video collection how would Islam possibly

recover from that you know sitting with the king and all the major princes and they turn around and say okay not a problem we'll give the pathar that these guys are all you know heretics and you know you do the feed on all of them however we want you to find as you do as you do in negotiations so then King Khalid have no choice today we've got

you by the you know the lost cojones so you better so the initial attack you know the attack took place yeah in order to remove the rebel took place at night that took all turn all the lights off and they entered into entered in getting to the moistures and it was shocking multi-gemstone you're talking about RPGs being quiet and stuff on something from who coming from the unti siege forces okay you know what joining these boys

did yeah then when the caboose this was this was like Keystone Cops Murphy they willing to caboose they stayed in the kibou which is the basement the basement it's a basement the lunch you mean the National Guard was shooting at the security services yes sir the security services with intelligence services so they just run in and just killed each other

the radios won't even synchronized let's just go in and let's just do it I love RPGs being fired over this now cubbies intercept a lot of coordination people coordination I can occasionally they popped open by bucking and killed [Music] thousands I do the whole siege so what happened they have to reach me know the

house of easiness concern they underestimated yeah they're real yeah of joy remaining these boys they underestimated their skilled a.m. definite amount work we they are and how far they're willing to go they underestimated it and this is what the once again the arrogance comes in so what happened next yeah King Hussein of Jordan bones King Harlan okay solid that we do what's going on in that car the siege is taking place yeah

it's been going on for like four five days now I tell you what I'm gonna send over an elite joy Jordanian commando unit right my boys will come over they'll do the job no problem right King Khalid say thank you for your thank you thank you but who are you anyway are you

look we incapable of doing it ourselves come on let's let's accept let's embrace that at least all right why didn't you take on the serpentine king of Jordan and he goes the House of Saud will not be indebted to the Hashemites oh it was our Father and our grandfather thought his grandfather we are not gonna be indebted to the Hashemites and this is where it gets interesting

obviously this there's nothing really historically conclusive because like I said look this was such a major event in the Muslim world and the Saudis suppress it no information ever coming out nobody discusses a and even the individuals who were involved yet we're very apprehensive to talk about it in case they get killed okay to have this situation to the next person now and some of the information got through my research I got was both uncomfortable

and disturbing okay whole different variety of different opinions and different accounts of what happened but is which are quite disturbing and very uncomfortable anyway next person that makes the phone call is King Hussein lucky the same time the kingdom Morocco say look I've heard what's happened I've sent over and same offer Elite command on the rock and military unit will have them resolved in some time once again in Khalid thank you but no

thank you put the phone down once again me since this is a new number I don't know who you are why do people keep phoning me for God's sake what has happened there the House of Saud will not be indebted to another okay all right now there's different accounts of this the next oh yes because some some some historical

accounts say that the Pakistani SSG the special services unit Jets were involved however the Saudis never ever yet or substantiate would admit they were involved right and personally from all the different research that I've done I'm of the opinion and I'm open to be challenged upon this movie I'm of the opinion that the Pakistanis were not involved forget it when okay because I had always heard that they were involved here I love the opinion that they're not involved because when President your contacting King Khalid yeah yeah with

the same offer of support and Al King Khalid gave the same answer and when he was asked by the princes they turned around the same he said again the house of son will not be indebted to another Muslim okay so now it becomes interesting feeling okay hmm hey bringing right who is it who could be the next caller people who could it be and imagine that's a wrong call that's just a wrong number it's like a pizza delivery

like the early part that year Princeton with the header the interior ministry yet was was a weapons and arms show just outside of Paris in France right the French had set up which is basically the world's first counterterrorism special forces unit okay called you know the GI GN event okay Oh didn't region yeah so when Prince naive was there up be shown yet the TIG and commandos yeah basically

jumped out of a plane in parachute right and one of them which have got the main person his name was Captain Paul Burrell right heel and just by Prince naive yeah and he can be Prince Knight yet another millimeter pistol and told pre-study shoot me shoot me shoot me in the chest yes I'm Princeton shutting three points because now it's commonplace Kevlar bottom in a body armor yeah wait birthdays Jim son it was like the Holy

Grail book which concerns you yeah I didn't watch it I could imagine so no he didn't mean like this so there was Prince by he shot three bullets from a pistol straight into the chest of Captain Paul Burrell yeah with a right proper little action man as well yeah and you've got a picture of him one of those pictures you seemed holding a gun or was it one of the pictures that we've heard today okay oh just proper mercy of money soldier full cubic feet right so

anyway he was so impressed yeah this whole thing hollered about look there's a special you know highly-trained you know empty terrorist unit yeah first one in the will these are impressed Hollywood guy right the GGN yeah and the GIP on you but I can give it to be done right okay right and sometimes you wonder city why don't other people today use their

methods yet in a game in and in hostage situations okay you know when the perpetrators always take a big blue cool hostage India and they hold them for weeks and weeks bill is asked for food don't they run course of course but yet in the Horn of Africa a year earlier a couple years earlier a group of French students were taken hostage okay so friend the perpetrators here you know ask for food what the GOG ended right they injected all the food with

Hank analyzers tranquilizers okay Jose a movie yeah so when they obviously when the hostages ate they were not that but hang on when the terrorists ate the food they were not actually it's very common sense when you know if you're doing a hostage situation [Laughter]

okay so this is where they all ko'd then these guys roll the gog winning the hostages and shot but I heard about this flooding and electrocuting what's that about a variety of different things come in but I will tell you what was actually new right now so thanks tiny so not the france-presse president edition we need the GI GLM where we need them here okay this is a situation got

and you actually see a picture yeah of Burrell and I think the other individual his name is what it went it must would lucky right after see a picture of them funded by a black board over yes there was yes where the base he sketched out you know yeah a map of the em of the Grand Wizard I thought moving the time they're actually training Sally soldiers okay yeah so called sandy command oh there you are people you just saw that picture yeah

they actually training them and then there's another picture where there's three of them standing with this and we got the Saudi going the in civilian clothes okay yeah you hate any time there you are you've just seen that picture that's in five people so these are the electrocution and the water flooding that didn't happen yeah but none of the research I've done think you know somebody else that got them under research around this because the reality is the information is very limited actually you know you have a

case mind you that would that would have just electrocuted the the hostages as well been a bit dumb they go I know let's just float it in electric you see conversation with the president of thrones president of Barnes getting the defenseman said look we need to send the G idea now however at the same point we caught me before pregnant no nobody can know that the French waynebow because you got Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran who's already labeled you know America Friends of the Great's of pockets of the Great Satan yessir he's already challenging the

legitimacy of the House of Saud to be the custodians of the two holy sites conservative he criticism against the house of Seoul so now what they couldn't resolve this method ethical the crunchy yeah so absolute secrecy now there was three officers from the gog gog and actually went out yet so you have you have Paul Burrell if no would Rick and then you have your Christian lumber and don't you see them tweeting that it's just standing there right it was another member

yeah his name was sorry that Christian Christian Pro to was his name right he was also meant to go out with it with the other three right however he intentionally stayed behind in order to safeguard the return yeah obviously lately he kind of like you know a epiphany moment a local moment thinking I know this mission is the absolute secrecy

it was never evenly hoarded yet in the minister French Ministry of Defense documents they never even reported it with absolute secrecy right his concern was because their level of secrecy worrying after they removed the rebels yeah um they just clean him out so he decided to kill him leave your turn so he's thinking you know I need to stay behind you know the safeguard their return just an all right look at that mouth all the things that taking place

everywhere right yeah these guys learn and they take with them which was a very very highly potent version of CS gas right now let me try to actually it's actually nauseam dichloro they easily be what were they have melon only royal something it is a very potent form of CS gas front as to the captain for girls

estimation here 23 milligrams yeah in in a space of one cubic metre yeah would take about five minutes to kill somebody and that's just point three milligrams okay listen they took every every piece of stock that the French had of this gas they took it all they took it with them they took it they cleaned it out to clean the way a cigar right now just to give you an idea about you know how the

mindset of Paul Burrell that you know captain leading the other to well in order to he actually tested this gas on himself okay what - he nearly died didn't even blowing this is the impact and effect on you son you know you can die and you can go blowing so anyway they landed there

and their mission now was to train the Saudis to Train the Saudi commander they were positioned and stationed inside and from a distance they were like you know military advisors and consultants right so one of the things he actually commented on that when the Saudi commanders came you know to be training walls yeah they were egos were absolutely demoralized they were deflated and demoralized a lot of the moon did there have battle wounds to son and all of them kept saying that

you know how well-prepared the rebels are them level of their weaponry younger kept comments they were talking nice dance time yeah so now the plan was now what they gonna do is they can blow make holes yet into the metallic area concern you know around the table on a white sheet correctly upon Picabo area we're gonna make holes there and then we're gonna drop this really potent gas and we're gonna cast them out we'll just arrest them and that's what they do

that's what they did yeah a blue hole they made holes into the ground and I'm forwarding some of the song wait a minute I thought the tranquilizes was what they did no noises what they did was in the Horn of Africa when bring over there right okay because I think you're saying okay that was a different incident okay sample of how innovative even though it's common sense that GI GN was there a couple years earlier because I was thinking because the two versions that I had heard was the gassing and

then I'd heard the electrocution with the water I'd heard these two kind of versions floating around but yeah hmm so they kind of gassed them like that so what did they propel they threw these gas they yeah yeah so then there was a hole from the top all the way down into the labyrinth of ponds which was the kaboom okay some of the saudi soldiers who were you know making an excavating he's old got killed because Jay making his boys with some of these boys are right under there with rifles and

they're shooting away can Sam kill them but they managed to throw a lot of the gas in right and they managed to kill a lot of individual a lot of the rebels even um you know that Maddie was killed as well oh okay he was killed not arrested and the way he was killed was because he was so convinced that he was gonna D clear he was the chosen one that when when they were throwing some of these because if you explode seams down into the labyrinth theory and the gas you know think some accounts were for some of the

rebels or that you ran used to run pick up the grenades and the explosives and kind of like attempt to throw him back because he pulled you invincible mainland hot potato update yeah catch you can know what you mean when he tried to pick up one explosive of one grenade he blew up in his hand the genius he was never the myth even if he's dying so he

never was a German made once again stepped in with his charismatic charm and you know I mean his skills up you know managing a crisis he said he's risk management skillful feet and said to them have you seen have you seen his bloody have you seen Mohammed of the locker Tommy Bobby yes no no we haven't seen his body but we heard the explosion well if you haven't seen his body how can you say he's dead Allah huh Illinois people he's still alone Lavina you're my new novel habe they believe in the unseen he's still alive so then the gas

comes a lot of the rebels are killed the ones who aren't killed are actually got kind of like knocked out or I mean blinded by this gas and the Saudi troops get in there risking about sixty of them they managed to arrest Johnny main himself and and King Khalid actually aimed to question joy remain I know game personally ok firstly oh ok what I why I'm Joey Ming obviously gave

the answer of answers it was Allah Kung Fu Panda 1 be mine be mine sometimes you meet your destiny you know on the part you take - yeah this is it was his destiny people it was obviously he's been popping up to do so they said it'll be Mars they go this this is your

destiny as well oh yeah I mean it's gonna be a long one was he he was executed then wasn't he and you know what was this stuff because the the Saudi government kept a lock on this whole file in case and it was only I think 2005 that they revealed as a government revealed II it's just like snippets of information that Bingley

I'll yesterday I saw in okay okay even today I mean one of all of the books that um that is worth reading is the siege of Mecca you mean by yeah oh yeah I've got a very good one and he's written by Yaroslav Tory mob very very good book I mean Joey is that not the one where he the author gets to interview some of the people and he says it was in 2005 that they lifted some for

the first time some legislation that allowed you to kind of contact here because I think that's the copy I've got actually even when they had little certain individuals that were involved in the siege of Mecca you understand yeah I had an association of affiliation with it yeah I mean what kind of like escaped before you know before the troops came in because remember a lot of these followers so I know you know I mean the meze is dead what are we hanging around here for now they going be angels gonna come and rescue us

then when the author was interviewing the turnaround said well have you got a government permit to talk about the siege in Mecca you wanted univie the government permit to talk about the siege of Mecca yeah and if you wonderful can you please bring you know an officer from the interior ministry or from the security services to sit in on our conversation so I have mission to talk about the siege of Mecca but dick young I mentioned earlier that there was one element which is quite disturbing an uncomfortable okay because captain Paul

was officer in the geology in yeah and all of you know the French defense ministry Howard you know told you know the Saudi line on this on this that we were in tiny Joe Sam we gave consultation and advice from a distance yeah because this being the other thing as well that non-muslims are

not meant to come into but he goes I was leading the Saudi troops I was leaving the soundy commandos and he goes in a press conference who do you think was leading them your dad of course not it was me I was leading

them I understand the way he talks about me was that you know on the way to Mecca I embraced Islam okay that's a strange twist I wasn't expecting that I'm going to make up I embraced Islam yeah women did what I have to do when I was leaving Mecca like in

yeah opened up a couple of beers and joking with no comments what are the way to leave Islam then okay now Joe he means executed yeah most of his rebels are gone but you know what still exists and he still include individual whoopee okay for these teachings and his anointing right now let's get back to the American embassies being a path globally cut some Muslims now enraged by

what's happened America's to blame their desert desert America that casting the worst worst case would you American Embassy in Islamabad Pakistan Pakistan right that when the protesters were coming toward the American Embassy because so many empty outer well the outer perimeter of the American Embassy was guarded by Pakistani troops right well the Pakistani troops saw the protesters coming they robbed the same mindset Murphy the mindset was that the Americans were behind this the American

only see they took over our most holiest place so what did the Pakistani troops trees they walked away and when it's sat on the hill and watched the protesters breach the outer perimeter breach the inner perimeter got inside the embassy killed two American personnel the rest of the American personnel in the embassy have to lock themselves in the vault which is big but a massive safe right it took president contact three phone

calls to general zr3 for the first two phone calls are ignored ha ha ha ha ha ha like who you who you who you who you and Carter asked y'all can you please go in and protect my people send the minister send you all means with the technology and that's when y'all believe hello yeah donaga

an imposter speech linked to one actually compliment didn't you know have been the general's office fast action yeah three cool it took first to be ignored now three is some not three-quarter you know when it comes to regimes right they cut to go into regimes yeah into two categories generally yeah okay no boys you birds young time is it a double a gene or is he a hawkish cringing sound of a bell fish dove some tough okay this regime was the

orchestration Gentile maka and they were always categorized Carter very human when when he was the president who don't say they're always called his regime a published regime knowing so he was a lot more gentler a lot more salsa he believed he didn't believe in you know in military power you believe in people power yummy dialogue in this question in fact you know you doing us us us at the beginning of the Iranian Revolution even though the shabbiha Shah of Iran was such a great friend of America Johnston the

Shah requested resources for his security services his army in order to suppress the uprising the revolution and Carter blocked it it looked to be blocked P and said no no no no no no Jim Sam you know I mean you know democracy is good for the region and some people people rising open demanding what they want this is good for the region freedom of speech people freedom little did he know yummy Khomeini would come in and take his heart take you and 50 hostages not hostage crises would last for over one

and a half years yeah and still holds Carter you know hold often on own cost family until eternity right also in the regime was kissing her enemy Kissinger yes any wasn't very much more yeah he believed in American military might yes the after during the siege of Mecca and American interests were being attacked across the Arab and Muslim world yet this was an embarrassment for America no concern yet it was a blemish upon their white I mean use you know a

mark upon their power Jim stand up in the day you know they Ito had been seriously inflated more deeply its own yes kissing and Vince Carter and to look forget this nonsense we need to show a line this week to show military might we need to show the world basically you know how powerful we are so under the advice Carter ordered the whole USS Pacific Armada group the whole battle

group from from the Philippines to enter into the Persian Gulf you an aircraft carriers battleships cruisers frigates some beans the whole battle group will be the whole of my back into the Persian Gulf Jim Stan we're here now and said now there was another reason for this as well we're joggin yeah and I'm also talk about that now because as the uprising was taking place in muck you know the seniors taking place in Makkah you had the Iranian Revolution with a hostage crisis so this kind of like in a way

emboldened the Shia Withings in Saudi Arabia respect in the East province yeah you know which is basic you know with the historical this young sheer presence in the East also happens to be yes the location of Salvia radius you know black gold it's oil concern it's all fine use a day you know the rigs are there it's all in the East so what happened this year in the East rolls look because they was basic you know you know they've been oppressed you know regime for decades and decades and

decades so they rose up and they wanted to have their own revolution they star in the [ __ ] symbols of you know Saudi good mother you know the Isle of Man the out south bank government building police stations whatever they started attacking now this then made the Americans even more nervous because a lot of personnel who were working amongst in the oil industry in the East province was American and cuz I'm a lot of the security were American so you got a lot you know individuals you know from the American government to the station there because remember this is this is

oil giving economy depends upon this and remember one thing American troops have always been in Saudi Arabia from the day they discovered oil American troops of being Saudi Arabia yes sir evidence is there they've always been stationed there to protect their interest during this is a global interest so that she'll start advancing on and the Secretary of State at that moment on was Secretary of State Vance he sent a memo a telegram you know to Ambassador West and basically said to

him look for a plan together evacuate all American personnel out of some out of the East Province of Saudi Arabia evacuate everybody can stand right they didn't want another hostage situation like they're having in Tehran yeah they said they didn't want another didn't want to duplicate another situation to go my god you know we've got American hostages taken in Tehran and now we got American hostages taken in there in the East province next thing you know you know people were taking American whatever they want so yeah he asked the West poor plan together

evacuate everybody else yeah a bus the Western absolutely appalled by this yes and he wrote thing look if we pull our personnel out yet it will ripple the oil industry of Saudi Arabia yeah your oil price work shoot off yet and it would be a global crisis and it will even beginning you this will be the beginning of the fall of the House of Saud right

now he also got an assurance from Prince Bandar bin from down mighty after day then go going seem to be the bass question and he said to ambassador West look don't worry about it yeah look watch this operating right however what you need to do yet is turn a blind eye to all the human rights violations that are going to occur so what we decided is do they sent in their military machine

against civilians would be yes these civilians were revolting ok the minor back sticks did one in a thousand might have had a gun yeah be with any was probably some you know discarded Second World War or first world war you know rifle or something yeah what did they have you had bats and sticks and metal balls I would be the Saudi sending they sent in helicopter gunships a PCS you mean tanks artillery guns and they told the rise the movie they

overwrite them they butchered them they cut them down and bullets from machine guns and RPGs - and that's why prince Bandar secular as long as you turn a blind eye yes to human rights violation and American then the blind out and in many ways they're still going on till today read anyway so that's happening so back to the whole USS Pacific Armada entry into the Persian go to show military might

because they were you know dad I'm giving the happy show that look we are we are the daddy in this region however by entering the Persian Gulf it made the Russian jittery Murphy the Russians got concerned it became paranoid because you got American aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf so that means what American fighter planes of one hour ten minutes away from the backyard of Russia these are the pork has region Jones Anna Dagestan

Azerbaijan you mean oh you mean all Chechnya the backyard of Russia now American fighter planes are one hour ten minutes away so what did the Russell decide to do they wanted to balance the power in the warm waters of the Indian Ocean so they wanted to have a military presence move in so they invade Afghanistan but the intention was never to remain in

Afghanistan they ancient always to come down into Pakistan and take Karachi and build a military naval base in Karachi to balance the power in the warm waters and even attack when the Russians invaded Afghanistan the Communist Party of Pakistan will at the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan with flags waving here in anticipation yeah of the arrival of the Russian coming another Messiah on its way

yes the jihad begins in Afghanistan ad starts in Afghanistan we gotta push them back yeah yeah Shem Abdullah Azzam suddenly becomes the spiritual head yet of the Mujahideen globally is given free passage in free access to every country in the world in order to recruit jihadist Mujahideen to fight the Russian communists yeah they even had an office in Washington everywhere the one can son yeah and who and Abdullah Azzam you know

number one student Osama bin Laden yeah Osama bin Laden goes to Afghanistan creates al Qaeda al Qaeda then Afghanistan becomes one yeah the central you know the central place of every jihadi organization in the world would be all plane to Afghanistan oh because I mean that whole Eva what it did was boosted not boosted it reformed reshaped the mentality of Muslims on a huge scale

into this Mujahideen kind of psyche that this Islam this era of the rise of the Mujahideen especially right throughout the 80s and into into the 90s as well but has damaged the face of Islam to such an extent that it would take decades now to return yeah no me either and everything that happened after that no Abu Musa Dagh kawari in Iraq John Stan yeah no him in Iraq no Abu Bakr al Baghdadi

no Isis movie oh that is amazing and I you know I I saw some of what you were you were going but I I did not see this this is breathtaking now the you know the whole the mujahedeen eva is really a reaction a direct causal effect of the siege of market Wow mmm I'm not only that look at you bernard am permitted I'm sure I made

many many times yeah I mean actually you know he you know he spoke highly of his writings and his teaching but what he said what you know what you in a big bar with the announcement of the mentee I have been leading yes being critical bin Laden goes come on guys I'm a critical natural guy at times you know what I'm saying for the desecration of the holy Masjid when he said you could

have what he said with you the situation could have been resolved and Donald yes Ann she criticized the house of self you know for their deaths a year desecration of you know of the holiest of the most holiest places and even Mohammed I look to see you know really could see you know yeah look to see is maybe not the spiritual but sometimes somewhat class famously you know the intellectual leader yeah kinda even so many times too jokey mange teachings yeah in jail with the mousse

on sakurami you know the individuals are set up al-qaeda in Iraq he spent time in prison with him and during that period he you would disseminate job remains teachings done and then you have another major incident takes place in 1981 you had the assassination of unknown al-sadat oh yes of course yeah committee led by was he a first lieutenant in the Egyptian army and I think his name were Holly Holly Islam only made them whole

again pronounced wrong at this moment time yeah but look at the way they assassinated unmissable at a military parade during this was eg think early on words about in the VIP box with all the other you know delegates from the minute I ran from officers in the military and the government and you know other VIPs yeah and the military for right you know the helicopters are flying past the soldiers are marching past you know the tanks are slowly moving past saluting the VR box yet with the gun turrets and next comes along what the armored personnel

carriers would be yeah and all of a sudden one of the armored personnel carriers slows down you know the machine gun turns toward the VIP box yeah Harley and some of these other boys jump out the back and they're open fire into the VIP box yeah the interesting thing is this yeah Holly's brother Holly's brother was a student of joining me okay obviously he didn't pop he left

Saudi Arabia before the defeat but he was from part of that JMS and the whole thing so he may even you know some of these teachings and that that he came back and he said tell volleyball this is wrong all this and it also remember one thing here it changed you know you know in Jihad you always had two categories offensive and defensive yeah but it changed back at that time as well fight by all people of the auto salon of Farraj who wrote in like lefty duty even

he was influenced by the teachings of Jermaine and what did he say he goes there's no offensive jihad anymore no offensive jihad it's all defensive yeah because our lands and our countries have been so infiltrated by you know non-muslim and you know old the vidual there is is no longer we are in defensive jihad so the criteria that applies to an offensive jihad do away with that it is all defensive now okay yeah and kind of guilt tripping people with all of this

as well yeah that's the game you know me Johnny means this is crazy though I mean it is honestly was the siege of Mecca it has molded the world we live in today Wow yeah that is amazingly put together I have to say start that it was epic in kind of just bringing to our attention

you know I just attenuating the whole thing refocusing our perspective on how these things are linked because people I I myself didn't see it like to that extent I didn't see that link I saw other links but not like this and that just goes to show Wow and do you know what I would love to I know we've mean it's almost 2:00 2:30 but this second you know the second part this the post Joe a man and his rights of a Mujahideen I would love to you know get you back on another session and

expand on this whole thing of how has that gone into like what kind of remnants of that thought are we still suffering from and seeing because I thought there's a lot and the way you mentioned a lot of these links with the Mujahideen you know the kind of Mujahideen participants and you've got how they were all interconnected how the afghan russia afghan nothing really changes i think the road as we know it how you know how some of the most you know within within the jihadi john' that the most influential you know actors and

celebrity leaders right have all been influenced either directly or indirectly to some extent like Joey means kitchen oh no when you do it indirectly third party so maybe they can have access to German themselves but they definitely were influenced by somebody who have direct access to Jermaine and the thing is you know we're we're sure unkind but tonight and obviously you know it's getting on a bit but I could go you're really down deep into that we'll leave that for another session if we got it we're gonna do this because you know I

feel that it's sometimes I feel it's so important to highlight to people because people ask so often they ask me things like oh but look what why is why all the clergy like this in let's say in parts of Pakistan or in parts of the world or why and it's hard to explain to people that you don't understand that there was an era of formation that kind of created this mindset now it's it's gonna take unfortunately you know maybe two generations to kind of be able to return

to a natural state of mind but yeah I think definitely out you know what we've got to get you back on we've gotta kind of go yeah and obviously this a quote by listening he then was Abu Sufyan right and why he said was this he goes just as well back in 1979 it was limited technology right it was no intelligent there's no mobile phones there was no social media

nothing like yeah if they had been yeah all that technology no that into the ruler social media no this he goes this law would have taken over the world they would have conquered the world if they a message how fast why and everywhere that's what we talked about you know look up you know everybody agreed with him the only the only point of contention was the maybe and he shouldn't take the Kaabah I mean you should have come for the policy that would be novel said he should have gone

for the mustard tomato tomato before they put on a lot to play sickly category these guys that you know heretics and bogeys and rebels and all the rest of it that list that they present you of demands that they presented King Khalid at the time yet was exactly more or less what joy and main was criticizing the houses Wow this people okay well this is food for thought think it over

you know let it kind of settle marinate and just reflect do your own research if people right so I mean I'm very crystal all very grateful sugar and for taking your time out and really that's an immense amount of research man that's so it's so deep and and the whole thing I mean so just and how you've connected it I totally love that man so sugar and for that much love for that was that for people who may want to reach out to you connect with you what are the best places is an Instagram Facebook

what's Twitter what what's the best place you just email me will occur to me you know sorry say that again sorry just email me at at if equal one the number one at hotmail.com doesn't it okay so you got that people are difficult the digit one hotmail code at UK well ii i do encourage each and every individual to do the independent research read about this event that took place because

it's it's motive the world we live in today yeah I have to say it definitely got me thinking because I don't really see it like although I saw many things but sometimes you know you've got things in front of you and you don't realize that some dots are more connected than you can envisage but yeah much love sugar and of stars absolutely and you know when a TIF came on today he said he said you know it's we were almost three months I haven't even been to the gym and I'm thinking come on I mean he's coming on here all pumped

biceps ripping out this [ __ ] he's like everybody watching this is feeling like a bloody ell they're feeling like just one the topic is like and then on top of that they looking at I say for me thinking bloody hell y'all killed Islam kooky oh yeah much love as always people I hope I hope give me that time and talk about

something that I I don't know is right you know they are very passionate about it and I can see any pulls right through it kind of Kindle one is in US and I really would like you know other members of the Muslim and non-muslim community they actually know more about this because remember one thing you know this was the first act yeah of international jihadi tourism yeah that had local ramifications and the Saudis just pushed it aside as if it was a local event hmm

anyway think that other people take that if you've got any issues and you want to reach out you've heard the email address it's been there the name is spelled on the screen you can see that artifical right and anything if you want to reach out to me as always the usual social media places people take very good care of yourselves much love or Salam alaikum warahmatullahi