Meetup | Ramadan - Epstein Files - Age of Aisha | Mufti Abu Layth

Bismillah. Let me just check the audio this time is going through. Bismillah. Right. Okay. Alhamdulillah. All right.

What do we have here, folks? Let's put this away. Right. Let you guys tune in. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Allah. Allah. Who do we have here? Lanzetta.

[laughter] Mark Imran Khan from NYC. Oh, I see now. When you click the thing, it brings up a little thumbnail. [laughter] I do it.

You're doing it. Hum. [laughter] Hi. I'm just reading some of the comments.

Well, first and foremost, Ramadan Mubarak to all of you. Allah bless you all. May this Ramadan be a source of much abundance, blessed risk and unfettered success. Amen. Amen. Right.

So, what is going on? Y had a bit of a there's been a bit of a bug going around. So, I'm recovering from that. And how are you guys? Y what's preoccupying your precious thoughts?

Well, I'll share the link as well. Firstly, I thought let's uh get Ramadan greetings. Let's share them to you all. Yeah. from the heartbar. So I hope things are coming along well. You know Ramadan has a I was just saying this that even if it's not doing much, it's as if it there is a paradigm shift

that exhausts you for some reason. It's as if it sets your schedule into the feeling of a free fall even though I don't know how much of it has actually changed. Well, there is the sahur andar element and there's just an ambiance and uh I don't know but it does this exhaust there's a

actually actually I'm thinking on second thoughts the tea might not have been a good idea because my throat was catching Allah bless you all. Um [clears throat] brother after keeping my fast I go to sleep for a bit

right but [clears throat] when I'm sleeping my gums bleed. Don't worry about it man. Don't worry about it. Is is the fast that week? Huh? That I feel what's happened along the way.

There's so much um kind of obsessive OCD thought that has ruined for many people the flavor of their dean. Yeah, I wouldn't worry about these things. The fast is something that it is a fast from food and drink essentially that's not food to begin with you know you don't drink blood you don't consume it and it's not something intentional in any case so with those things always keep it

natural keep it what would the um [laughter] [snorts] What is the the mak the of the when it asks us to stay away from fasts? What is it speaking about? Just check. I'm just going to check the audio. Yep, that's fine.

Cuz I know last time I think it automatically switched. So, keep the fast always at a natural level. Don't worry about things like, you know, gums bleeding or swallowing saliva or even just little bits of food that have been trapped in the mouth. It is a natural setting that you have refrained.

It is a state of mind that I have forgone. I have sacrificed and refrained from eating food. So I won't be eating from you know sunrise or from dawn till dusk. I won't be eating food. I won't be drinking water.

That's it. You don't need to worry now about other things. Oh, you know I I don't know. There was a fly went into my mouth. There was some dust in the air. There was some smoke in the ear. These things. Oh, I keep drinking this. You know, this has got I think the milk. [clears throat] I should have thought of that actually,

but it doesn't favor well with the [clears throat] the bug. Right. So yeah, so don't worry about these kind of things. Keep it natural. That's the main thing. Things like, you know, people take it to another level. I've [laughter] you have absurdities about people even worrying about when they go to relieve themselves in the

you know that they've broken their woodoo. Sorry. They fast because of uh the I mean this is just taking it to such an absurd level. [laughter] None of these things break the fast. Yeah. It's just at all times keep it natural.

That's all you need to know. And don't worry about other things. You know, if a person forgetfully eats, it doesn't matter. Forgetfully drinks, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Even things like injections, all of these things do not they're not food. Okay. So, not that people regularly take injections, but I'm just saying it's just a natural abstinence from food and drink.

That's it. Yeah, Shukaran, those of you and as far as um as far as the Saudi moon sighting, yeah, this is a repeated it's something that we see year in year out. Nothing much changes.

on my personal thoughts. You see, there's the there's an one perspective I couldn't care, you know, you're your own person. You do as you please. Then there's the the element or the angle that if you're asking me or interested in what I would have to guide you by then in that sense I would say discard always by default Saudi Arabia is wrong and just consider

that as a metaphorical truth that that is a metaphorical truth that should always be taken as a principle. Saudi Arabia, for whatever reason, is almost always wrong. Now, it may be that on some occasions they're right, but take that as a as a metaphorical truth. For those of us living in Europe, we should not be really following Saudi Arabia.

Not by our fi perspective, not by the Saudi fatwas themselves, and definitely not by the inconsistency and the flawed system that Saudi Arabia has. It's just absurd. Their system, I mean, it doesn't Saudi Arabia is not, you know, geographically, it's not positioned somewhere so unique that they would always in.

It's not the farthest east, okay? It's in the center and there's countries all around it. You know, the Yemen to the south, it has, you know, the other Gulf states all surrounding it. The as the, you know, to the north, you can have the Middle East. It doesn't. Why is it that only Saudi sees the moon? Nobody else ever sees the moon.

Nobody in Yemen sees the moon. Nobody in Oman sees the moon. Nobody in the UAE sees the moon. Nobody in Iraq sees the moon. Just Saudi Arabia year in year out. What do their own observatory, the Omar Observatory, what does that state? That it will often state that the moon could not have been seen. But it doesn't matter because they have a very highly ineffective um system that is just well if some person claims to have seen the moon we will take it based on just the testimony that

they are a Muslim. I mean that doesn't work anywhere you know just saying that oh somebody's a Muslim I mean there's that's you know be beautiful from the faith perspective mashallah you're a Muslim you know one fourth fifth of this world is Muslim it doesn't mean that they qualify to testify on all things relevant just because somebody's a Muslim that doesn't mean [snorts] that they're experts in certain things.

So, moon sighting has its experts and it is something that is also predictable by maths and physics. So, for us to turn for us to be diametrically opposed with science. So that's to say when the mathematical equations tell us something that by the way you can have a sighting and then we see it it's not a problem but when we are told that these sightings are impossible by the naked eye

then in such a case for us to and then only Saudi Arabia uniquely once again year in year out sees the moon when not only no neighboring country ever sees the moon but also the observatory and our knowledge of physics and ma mathematics tells us that it's impossible to see the moon at that given point in that part of the world or in most parts of the world then it is a clear no

It is just absurdity and utter naivity and almost a mockery of the dean to be following them. That said, people who follow them, fine. You know, you're at liberty to do so. This is only if you're asking for my guidance. [laughter] Not that you need to be. So, if you're not interested in my guidance, I have no qums. You know, you do as you please.

You are your own person. Am I my brother's keeper? That's the no you know you you can do as you please. So yeah but it is um ridiculous and people in the UK really there should never be a split in the UK bar the Salafia.

So the Salafies are obviously Saudicentric for them. Islam is all things Saudi. Now you know then each to their own you know if that does it for them if that does it for them you know who who are we to dictate to them when we have no place or position to dictate you know may Allah bless them and guide them and

you know so but we wish each and everybody That said, bar the Salafia who are a tiny amount, tiny fraction of one the Muslim Ummah. I mean, I don't believe that the Salafia would even make up 1% of the um do you think that? I don't know. You know, would they make even 1%.

Probably probably 1%. I don't but they're a tiny tiny amount of this um but they are a very vocal uh minority so it can mislead people into assuming that they're quite cuz they're uh you know heavily funded so there are certain you know they're visible especially online they dominate the online uh indust platform not industry but platform so excusing um other Muslims in the UK should not be really following Saudi Arabia.

And many people don't know this, but the legacy of the Muslim communities in the UK in the 80s was not to follow Saudi Arabia. And if you look this up, you can find the documents online that the early Muslim communities in the UK, the reason they didn't used to follow Saudi, this is interesting.

It's not that they just didn't, but they document their reasons. Reasons are that Saudi Arabia sighting is highly inconsistent and highly dubious. So this is not this is what the the people were saying when I was just a little kid. You know, I was probably 2, three, four years old at that time in the early 80s.

the am. So that would have been who all the different mak you know what the mahib that you had here and in in the UK they considered the Saudi sighting to be inconsistent and highly doubtful. Therefore they would follow Morocco.

Many of them did try to site the moon in the UK but it was too difficult and therefore they agreed upon Morocco. But keeping in mind that this is what 40 plus years ago. So at that time the means of communication was highly limited and their systems I think they used to use facts.

Um obviously you had phone calls but I don't think they relied on the phone calls. I think they used to fax it over or something and a problem. So this was all these bilies Jamaati Islami all these different groups were in you know that they were in confluence here and they were in harmony on this point.

I believe and I could be wrong that even the hadith were with them but I'm not too certain about that but I as in I I do I I believe they were with them but I could be wrong on that point. [snorts] the others, all the others were in congruence that uh we do not follow Saudi Arabia and they list the reason that Saudi Arabia makes too many mistakes.

So because it makes too many mistakes, we don't follow them. So then what happens is there was a particular incident I think in I think it was 1984 but you can check again and this is all documented and there there's actually certain websites that have all of these documentations um listing the events and the times and the massagid that were involved.

So there was an incident where the masid I think up north they were awaiting the notification from Morocco and they didn't get it. So they fasted the next day. However, the following day in the morning at about 10:00 a.m., I think the facts came through that Morocco had declared it to be Eid the the night before.

So, this caused a split in their community. I believe this was at the time the Diubundi community up north and it caused a I think this was the Jamai. I think it was them. [snorts] But you can double check it online. So they then were divided. A group of them said, "We're going to break the fast and celebrate Eid." And the other group said, "No, you know, this is too late.

And as far as we're concerned, we complete 30." This then caused a um a kind of a schism in the community moving forward. A group of them said that we moving forward will no longer rely on Morocco because they cannot provide us with the data in a fast enough or relevant or kind of consistent time and because Saudi can we will go with Saudi Arabia.

[snorts] I feel part of that split. This is my um my own um ascription here. [snorts] So this is me now my assessment evaluation I feel part of that was a result of stubbornness and ego maybe a part of it was sincere I don't know Allah but I feel it definitely had an element of ego moving forward there became a great schism within the UK with masids

breaking way and going towards following Saudi and since that time till now the the many of them have gone with Saudi Arabia there's no reason for the theandis to be following Saudi Arabia it is actually pretty much against uh not in line with Hanafi for the most part and they are Hanafi and they ought to be following um their more regional especially now with technology being so updated and we and Morocco share for the

most part a similar mut horizon. So the UK and Morocco are both on Greenwich meantime. So we have the same time zones. So UK and Morocco have the same time zone. The only difference is well we have British summertime naturally they don't. I think there was a period where Morocco also introduced summertime. It didn't really work so well. So they abandoned it.

But so sharing the same time zone instant technologies today there is no and [clears throat] such a rigid roya system that Morocco have. There is no excuse for the hanafia of the UK to be following Saudi Arabia given especially the notorious track record that the sa Saudi kingdom has.

Notorious track record. Somebody me a few years ago I it slips me now but I'm sure if you Google it you'll find it. Somebody a few years ago had actually compiled a record of year in year out inconsistencies in accordance with the observatory and the Saudi sighting going as far back as 20 plus years.

This was then showing that almost on every year that almost I think maybe excusing one year or something but almost every year their sighting was wrong. So and this was often later even acknowledged and by by the Royal Saudi Observatory themselves.

So not to just um go on there, but I do feel that following Saudi is u although permitted from a fi perspective, I I'm not going to say it's haram. I don't believe it's haram and I think it's wrong to throw words like haram around.

They are very we're speaking of very sacred things. But um [clears throat] it is definitely naive at best. Right. [clears throat] Somebody said that the Saudi uh sorry the Hanafi Mab allows global and regional sighting.

The Hanafi Mhab gives preference to regional sighting. um it does not give preference to the global sighting although it allows for but it doesn't give preference. That said, Imam Abu Hanifh's fatwa uh gives guidance of extra scrutiny given the markers.

So for example, Imam Abu Khanifh said his fatwa that if if there was no clouds and the matla and the sorry the horizon was absolutely clear and his fatwa was that then you would require a a to give testimony not just to people.

So his fatwa was if a crowd of hundreds and thousands was watching out for the moon and they knew how to look out for the moon and it was a clear horizon and only two people saw it then imbuif his fatwa is that that is unacceptable. So for Ma Baluka, so what do you think it would be when the observatory, science, maths, physics, all the surrounding countries watching out all declare it in impossible to sight

and two people possibly bedins claim that they've seen the moon. It's impossible that Imam Abu Hanifh would have allowed that when Imam Abu Hanifh's fatwa was that if if a large number of public are looking out for the moon and only two sighted with a clear horizon that we reject the testimony of the two that we need then a so you know so it's it's I find it very difficult to believe that I imanif

ers um each would be satisfied given the present day uh confounding variables. What's the uh what is it? Keterus plurabus [laughter] all things considered all other things being equal. Hi. Right.

So that's that that said Allah bless each and yeah so that's the Ramadan um thing going on right what do you guys this um bedins you know the issue is with the Saudi Saudi Islam Um Allah bless them.

Yeah. It's like it's like ah it's like cute. [laughter] It's like in its infancy. [laughter] It's like a cute little Oh, you know. It's like Saudi uh [laughter] meaning by that like you know when you get like let's say a two three year old using a big word or saying something it's like ah or like even if if you get

a three-year-old swearing or a two three year old it's like a [laughter] it's like sh but it's cute. So it's a bit like that you see because Saudi Islam is is really just bedwins you know it's like people who haven't developed deep like they they like you couldn't really discuss anything deep and philosophical with those bare not that you'd need to you know each to their own I mean their lives are what just camels and living in

a desert and that you know may be beautiful and you know that's their life. Allah bless it for them. You know it's there's nothing against that. We're not opposed to not saying it's a bad life. It's a it's a you know it's it's a it's a bedin's life. It's different you know. It's like I mean it's not even a farmer's life. It's it's more [laughter] it's not even at that stage.

It's like at a just a pure bedin, you know, just have camels and bare just I mean not even bare because you know I'm sure there's beauty in that simplicity but the world runs at a different level. Yeah. There's complexities and you know just nuances and it's very very you know you couldn't it's apples and oranges you're dealing with.

It's a whole different setup. You couldn't. They're not really. And it's not to say right or wrong cuz that's just their world. It's not that their world is wrong. It's just that's their world. Whereas if you're going to be engaging philosophical depth and you know infinite decimal nuances of discourse then yeah it's just apples and oranges.

You even if you speak the same language you're not speaking the same language. So that's what what I meant that um you know from from a safe distance it's kind of like oh like you [laughter] see it's like you see the bedwing cohort you go [laughter] it's like you know one of those but [clears throat] what do you guys the Epstein files Salah.

Wow. You know it is just I feel that we are in a state of shell shock by what is going on. uh that that you know and as Muslims we often

have been exposed to these kind of conspiracy theories growing up that you know these people are like an elite ring that they are cannibals, that they drink blood, that they, you know, it's so [clears throat] bizarrely ludicrous that it's too ludicrous to believe.

And there you go. That actually was true all along. that the elite running the world are a tightlyknitted bunch of child trafficking, pedophile, murdering, cannibalistic, sadistic

tyrants and despots. That is who is running the world. It's wild because who would believe it that they actually eat children, that they torture them and carry out sadistic sexual um humiliation rituals

to to kind of in these circles of this? Who would believe that? And then they go out and make public appearances as great people. Wall. You know one thing if we have been taught one thing by all of this, it is that the tradition, the traditional values and foundations that Islam had given us was so concrete.

And all along we're being told that, oh yeah, look at this light that we've got over here. You know, don't worry about Yeah, you know, you guys have you're bringing morals and values, but look at this. We are the enlightened Muslim Allah.

We are people. We're just bringing about reform. Yeah. Or we're trying to eliminate polio. Yeah. We're trying to save the world from this uh pandmic. Oh, we're creating cures. Oh, we're just doing philanthropy. We're simply trying to spread technology around the world.

Allah all of them are connected. You know, you know the hadith that this is but one bloodline, one milah, one way of life.

And we, you know, I include myself in this, that we had been duped. We had been misled, lied to, deceived in many ways. Why wouldn't we be deceived? Credit to those who weren't really, but who would believe that?

Oh, there's actually, you know, cannibals eating kids. Like, what the what the hell is that? You know, some of the rituals they speak of and the adrenochrome theory that they scare and terrify the kids. So, they release so much adrenaline and then they consume that blood.

That Ellen degenerate that's what her name should be degenerate wall he whenever I would see her I would sense an unease from her you know this goes to show us that the fra was right all along and that you sense these negative energies I would sense it I wouldn't watch her show but every now And then I would see clips of it online.

I used to find her energy very unsettling. Something dark about it. But obviously I didn't didn't think she killed and ate babies. Who would think that? You wouldn't think that about anybody. you know, where's all this U UN human rights charter and

you know it's a metaphor. It's not a metaphor. They were actually doing this. She Ellen Degenerate um she has been reported thus far as the the the leading cannibal out of all of them. And have you seen in one year how her face has aged so much? You seen her? She's in the UK somewhere. She's left the US.

She's come here. And you see all those people that escaped previously and they um they gave testimonies and they're all missing now and dead. They always found dead somewhere that they were saying that she that these people are eating babies. They're sacrif. And to me, you know what? I feel that these people like Epstein, they genuinely believe that the Abrahamic faiths came to maybe in their version, I feel that, you see, they're not when we use the word

Satanists, I think we're we're innocently misdirecting the call. So they're not Satanist as far as Satan is concerned because to believe in Satan you have to believe in God cuz then you believe in the shaitan. So they're not they don't believe in God in that way.

They believe that almost in like a shamanic like like an animism that they believe that the monotheistic Abrahamic faiths were a aberration from the true nature. So they feel that the real powers in the world that were were these darker forces like the forces of Bahal.

Bal was like this default force of thunder and reckoning. And then along the way the Israelites selected the one God Yahweh and redirected. So and then many of the Israelites do go on to worship once again Bahal and stuff. So it is in the Bible that they are offering sacrifices and offering the go children to Malik and things like this.

So the Bible, especially the Old Testament, has a lot about the Israelites often going according to the Bible off track and worshiping these other old gods and so on. Now, so people like Epstein, I feel they were trying to return to that old dark power.

and that they felt they were part of that. Maybe they were part of the old Israelite, you know, kingdom and those people who were a part of that legacy and that Yahweh is an aberration. So they're trying to return to the cuz he I you know that they like he named his account B he built the temple of Malik on his island.

It's wild man. Bill Gates on the island. He wasn't interested in the sexual stuff. He was interested in the genetic, conducting experiments on kids, injecting them with all kinds of stuff. And one thing, all of these people are connected.

All of them. And I feel so much more. I feel that I feel that the only reason these files got released was because Trump wasn't declaring war on Iran. And then we know who the real powers are. They instructed a certain amount of congressmen to pass the law and then the Epstein files or the Epstein transparency law was uh filed transparency law was passed and then they released only just less than half

with I think the provisal really saying to Trump that look you better attack Iran otherwise put the remaining is coming and I feel that God's hidden is yet far worse. And it's crazy. And the Department of Justice, this is such a fast. They their plan was we're just going to drown the public in that much data that everybody's going to forget about this.

This is what I think the plan was. And then let me just right. So uh but however like I feel that that was the plan that they had but the public have just been on it and the DOJ said that the US that oh we're not going to pursue that there was nobody else in this case there just let me get this right there just Epstein Gileain Maxwell and they're just trafficking

kids to themselves. Oh, and first I think they were said that they're not even sure there were any victims. Then they accept the victims, but any who have come forward so far are already dead. So yeah, and there's nobody else in this case, by the way. So they're just traing it to Traffing it to who? To just themselves.

Acha. This is like the the dumbest. It's like you've got a six-year-old to write this theory and then you've got people uh now when the uh Congress um commission went in to see some redacted f uh you know some of the non-redacted files.

Oh, within a few what is it weeks now they've already come up with six co-conspirators. It's crazy. It's wild. There's um I've forgotten his name now. You know, the commission, you've got uh two very vocal. You've got the I'm just gonna I've forgotten their names, but but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't try and you know, if they suddenly don't turn up found somewhere as having off themselves cuz that's what's going on.

anybody who's criticizing the Clintons, criticizing these people, and they are of some standing in um they just found who who's the other guy? What was his name? Uh Bodane or something. The um was it Anthony? But but he was found he was very critical. He was like a producer and certain things. Very critical of Hillary Clinton. Then he was just found in his French home um allegedly having committed suicide.

That's just the story with everyone. You know, I was watching this clip of um that, you know, the music artist Liam Payne where he's on a show got Selma Hayek and somebody else and he's suddenly starts named dropping about these parties and Jay-Z and a few other people. And the moment he does it, you can read their body language so uncomfortable.

And then they make this sign which is really weird because they make this kind of sign something like this with their hands. Both of them at the same time they kind of cross their hands and do something like this and it definitely feels like it's signaling some kind of disavowel that we're not a part of. Definitely like I feel all these things conspiracy theories were just conspiracies.

They weren't conspiracy theories. Um yeah. Yes. And Les Wexner now he's being um I think deposed now the the deposition. Um but it's wild. And you've got the Sultan Ahmed Sulain giving the why is he giving the kiss? How is this allowed? Three layers of it, right?

And which apparently just as a rug? And this to me it's because they want some kind of that they believe in these energies. They want them as part of the and there's now emails where they're suggesting of re eliminating so much of the population of poor people around the world in collusion with Bill Gates.

He's kind of suggesting, oh, that maybe we could alter the kind of RNA and, you know, somehow get into the DNA of people to kill them off, weaken their immune systems. And is it a coincidence that because of the Epstein scandals, the US has pulled out of the WH and within two weeks of them pulling out, six globally six incurable cancers have now been cured.

Is that is that a coincidence? Do such coincidences are pancreatic cancer has been cured. Wow. Yes. am you know they've Russia has I forgotten the name of its uh vaccine that they've released I don't get what is going on the amount of suffering that has happened around the world you know people that have died people that have suffered through chemotherapy and

yeah Allah you No, I hope ya Allah I mean I I know that these people will face a reckoning in the but may they face such a commensurate reckoning and humiliation before our eyes in this army because it's just not fair that people have suffered and these people there isn't look they struggle to even arrest them.

Yeah. [laughter] You know if anything is to show you they struggle to even arrest them. If this was anybody else they would be serving a just you know ridiculous life sentence behind bars. Anybody else but no. And where are all these people now? You know, this is the largest grooming uh gangs operation worldwide.

There's reports that I think Turkey alone sold something like 3 to 6,000 girls. That's just Turkey alone. Ukraine has apparently sold off a ridiculous number of children amongst other countries. you know, we we're and it's all coming to light now and and this is just I feel a tiny part of this puzzle.

But one thing these recent years have done I feel two major landmark phenomenons phenomena sorry but two of these phenomena they have really been capernican in the dynamic shift.

One was the genocide and the attack on Gaza that what it did after October the 7th was the western countries had a mask a persona of this this kind of leadership of human rights that was torn off for the whole world.

Many people before did question it, but many people in the world did believe that there was some sincerity to their mask of to their this persona of human rights. What October the 7th did was it tore that off. You know as Basam Ysef said he said that the west will not be able to recover following that because they're standing by doing nothing and they are you know how do they not see it?

And the second are these Epstein files. What it's done is it's torn the facade of these leading individuals, people like Musk, you know, who would go around and who there was a time where he was iconized and people looked up to him. I saw him as an inspiration many years ago and that persona has been torn off.

You know, how dare he meddle? He was meddling in the UK politics trying to say, "Oh, these Pakistani grooming gangs from the US." He was trying to raise and inflate hatred and promote. And he would say things like, "A civil war is inevitable in the UK between people like the Pakistanis and Muslims and ethnics and the whites." I mean this this guy who deep down must be I mean based on these things just some kind of hardline racist turns out was desperate to get onto

Epstein's island to commit God knows what kind of heinous acts of sexual barbarity most likely against infants and yet or even if he says well no I wasn't it was just against you know with adult women. Now that he knows about this ruthless global grooming gang, where's his voice now?

Has he lost his voice? So yeah, one thing we see is that and even I do you know I am a fan of Zoran Mani but the truth is I do feel it's unquestionable that he too is compromised but you know at least he's trying to do some good.

I feel that his mom definitely is um complicit and it kind of makes sense. And this isn't and I know they're going to say a lot of the images are AI, but [snorts] she um she had a party thrown for her movie um Amelia.

Now look, she isn't she's okay as a kind of movie star. She she was popular for a movie she made in the 80s, Salam Bombay. This movie was good. It was gritty. It was meaningful. But [snorts] you know, she by no means is the world leading producer or something.

She made that Mississippi movie, but then after that, that's it. you know, she's not by world global standards. She's nothing up there. There's producers, directors, actors far more incredible than her and popular than her. However, her charity apparently she set up a charity to do with homeless children in India.

Now she following her movie about homelessness, the Salam Mombay Bombay one, her charity apparently has certain rights which certain charities that far greater in India do not have those privileges. She when she made her movie Amelia which is have you heard of it? No. Exactly.

She has a party thrown for her in Gileain Maxwell's estate, which by the way, if it's Gain Maxwell's estate, it's Epstein's estate. in 2009. So after he's a convicted pedophile and who attends heads of state people like [laughter] Clinton attends and Jeff Bezos acha and you know the truth is in no world

does that happen. In no world do you have a party heads of state attend you know that [laughter] and if you expect us to believe that then you know it's just being part of that uh naivity which and I feel that with the mandani thing that they were thinking that they are gambling that look we have enough gambled on the right you know that kind of hard line.

We should also get somebody in on the left. He can be his own person. He can be critical. In fact, it would be good because it'll bring in more of a vote. However, if push came to pure shove, he too would be ultimately compromised. But for low-level things, we don't mind if he's vocal. We don't mind if he calls us out. And I think that's because he came out of nowhere.

And I don't believe they would let him win New York unless they ultimately had something on him. Um, and I feel he is a good guy. Personally, he is a good guy. But that said, his mom definitely is a mommy's boy and his mom is compromised.

So whether I'm not saying by that she necessarily did all those things, but I think she definitely knew about them and she was complicit. But it just goes to show that everybody, you know, these all these bigwigs are compromised and it's all in they're all one club and but then some of them may you know do good work and one thing made me like it really casted this thing of Mother Teresa as well that she also is connected in some of this I was watching and

and I wouldn't be surprised surprised, you know, because there was this thing about Mother Teresa a while back. This scandal came out of her and and children going missing from her children thing. [snorts] And she had this belief that she would deny people in her um you know, in her care in treatment, she would deny them um pain relief because she believed suffering brought people closer to God.

But yet when she got ill, she was flown off to prestigious uh care around the world. And always, you know, you have to be a bit weary of people. The Quran taught us, you know, these people who come out with these claims, these people who make these big claims that no, we are here to spread, you know, we're just here for the love of piety.

[laughter] [gasps] That person, you have to be weary. They are the type that are not only going to screw you over and butcher you, but they're going to they're the type that are going to do it whilst in a state of wudoo. [laughter] [gasps] You have to be weary of that kind.

Seriously, Allah Allah, it just goes to show y how deep does this rabbit hole go and what will come of it. I sure hope something comes of it. Amen. You know, it's just too much watching it and and how many royals in the Saudi, he is definitely MBS. They're all in on it, man. But I think you know with those they're compromised over other things because I think when it comes to this kind of um trafficking young girls with the eastern

kings I think if they want it they can have that in their own kingdom. So they don't need to be flown into an island to do that. So that stuff I don't think I think that they probably if they want that they've got that where they are but they must be lured in for the networking for the connecting for calling other shots.

And you can see MBS so happy in that photograph with Epstein. this, you know, good for nothing Epstein was everywhere. He must have been charming. How else did he get everywhere where he and I definitely feel that he had some kind of sexual deformity because that would explain the evilness that he had towards I feel you [snorts] know there's this clip of this deposition where he is um

where they're quoting some witness describing his private parts as being kind of somewhat inadequate and weird shaped and and then he gets up in between and he walks off and he they've touched a raw nerve and and it would make sense you see and they were making a documentary Steve Bannon was involved and where they were trying to rebrand him.

This is before he gets arrested again in 2019 and he then commits suicide. But prior to that they were working on rebranding him. So they were going to work from trafficker to to something else like you know business genius to philanthropist. And he's saying in the emails that Woody Allen is going to work with, you know, with the whole camera angling and how to carry yourself on camera in such a convincing way.

And and he's even saying in some of the emails that, oh, I'll shall I arrange a meeting at this cafe or something. And then he says, or are two pedos in one location too too hot is it? something like [laughter] cuz they knew cuz he was a Cleopedo this um Woody Allen and he'd had claims about from allegations from his own daughter.

So it just goes to show and it's a shame that there aren't [clears throat] any forces of justice in the world cuz really the only forces that were leading justice was the west. And one thing we've come to learn is that all of this was just and even you you come to see how they were investing in things that would destroy the family unit.

They were investing in removing people from traditional values heavily investing in in the kind of um in the trans and uh movements and LGBTQ. And this isn't to I'm not saying that as just to attack people from that. I'm not saying I'm saying but this is what they were doing.

And it just goes to show that what we had all along, the values of tradition, the values, these kind of old traditional ancient classical values were truly valuable that they were. And you know when people would tell you these things it sounds like all conspiracy you know um kind of tin foil hat that oh you know really really as if as if but it's true it's heart crushing I mean no chsky it's heartbre noam chosky is also you

know one of my heroes who's stood up for against oppression against [clears throat] the war on terror and he's also a link you know, like a linguist genius that his theories on linguistics are, you know, groundbreaking. So, and yet here he is very and I don't know what was it.

Was it just the charm of this guy? Was it just being connected? But yeah, and there's much more to come. But power to the people, Allah Akbar. [laughter] I think the uh the the US Department of Justice, it was um hoping that they would just dump, you know, in money heist, he has this uh professor tells what was it oper operation Paris or something.

He says if you get caught what you do is you you go into remember when he uh he guides her through the whole that you start telling the truth but you give so much information that it floods everything I think was it operation Paris or something but he has one of his plans and I feel this is what they were thinking that we're going to release 3 million documents it will just flood and people um that yeah it would just mean that people would just go all

Yeah. I mean I'm not saying you know look you know with people like Chsky I'm not saying that they they may have had the reasons. I'm not saying maybe they felt that he was just I don't know. Obviously, Chomsky is not in a state to defend himself, but some of the emails coming out where he is telling him that oh to kind of ignore the haters and stay strong and [snorts] look maybe they are duped.

But if if they are duped and they are the beacon minds and intellects of the 20th century, then yall and it just goes to show where the where and how far the shadow has been casted.

And I'm not saying by the way about Mam Dani that he is a bad person. I actually still root for him and I do feel he's epic and this isn't about but to me it just is it just goes to show how far the shadow has been casted and I don't think it's him but I do definitely feel his mother is compromised and and but think about it you that's if you were these people that's something you would do you know you would play that.

I mean, just put yourself, not that you'd want to, but if you were, put yourself in the minds of these people that are sick and controlling and they've murdered thousands and thousands of children. They're complicit. They've got governments. They've got influential people of all sorts. I mean, they're arranging meetings in Buckingham Palace. Epstein is arranging meetings in Buckingham Palace.

And the way he's doing it, watch George Galloway's uh um kind of on YouTube uh discussion on it, he's arranging it in a way as if he has full license. He's not even saying, "Hey, I will try to arrange." He's just saying, "You tell I will arrange." He's saying, "Are you good for this? Are you good for this? You It's like he's calling the shots." So, if you had that level of influence around the world, you are going to get in everywhere and you're going to get in on opposing sides.

Like, think about it. The Clintons hate Trump. Yet, they're all compromised when it comes to Epstein. So you know the the so it's not to assume that this one club means everybody is getting on with each other. It's very colorful but these guys and and how many other Epstein clubs are they out there?

Yeah. And this 911 shadow commission. What the And see Muslims knew this all along. and Epstein and this whole email. So, where's the or you know the the where's the real pilot in his email and the fact that there's a shadow cabinet uh commission being set up for 9/11. The fact that Gileain Maxwell is on it.

I mean, what the hell is going on? This is stuff like you couldn't make this stuff up. It's how bizarre it is. Um, right. So, right. Yeah.

Yeah. I think it's undeniable that he was working for Masad as in he was an agent or an asset. I think [clears throat] that's just ridiculously naive. not to have seen that. That's where most of his connections were coming from. That's where [clears throat] you know even the British arresting Andrew.

I I think I don't Yeah, sure it's a step and they've said they're investigating Mandlesson, but really how far I think that the authorities are very slow and I think unfortunately maybe that much many more of the royals may be compromised but that's being kept out of him and Andrew, they're just going to let him hang because the public is is not accepting it, you see.

So, you got to do something. Some heads have got wrong. So, yeah, but I think uh Norway, was it Norway? They've made an arrest and Norway their royalty have uh been involved in the Epstein file. So they've actually began a parliamentary debate to abolish the monarchy and uh what other country some other country has made an arrest but you know it's still very little the public sentiment is what is causing

this. Hopefully it continues. Yeah. Yeah. uh the US seemed to be so you see because Epstein the the you see the epicenter of this power this kind of black hole of this singularity of just darkness it is stemming from America so that is where the pull is going to be the most intense so

yeah so in some way I'm not surprised that the Americans are not only very slow to act, but that they are intentionally frustrating this whole situation. They're impeding it. I'm not surprised because that's where the epicenter is, you know, that's where this whole thing and that's where most of the the the people are in the Clintons and you and all of these people.

So h [clears throat] but let's see what happens. I do feel that history we are witnessing it in the making Allah abar that these are capernican moments [snorts] in time that there is an absolute paradigm shift taking place.

Allah and how things you know eventuate but we are witnessing history in the making. Let me share uh the link folks. See God my you know what I need is actually

Yeah. No, no. And I'm not. And by the way, I'm not saying any of these because I equally I'm not saying uh because some of these people have done great work great work and amongst them is so I'm not saying that one that these people are all complicit in those heinous acts like no I'm Chsky or let's say Mamani or other people.

I'm just saying in a way it's not surprising how fast the sh how far the shadow could be casted and it doesn't mean that those people would be happy with that but maybe to some ex to some extent look we're all vulnerable in being kind of pulled in if push comes to shove that's all yeah Right.

H God, I actually You know what? Can I bring up YouTube and can I Is there something that I'm um Is there um All right.

Right. [gasps] Allahbar. Let's [clears throat] just Just going to play here. Where's the screen gone?

Here it is. Cuz I have to actually just give me one moment. I can see some people have joined. But I'm going to have to just for a moment just go get myself some water [laughter] cuz my throat [clears throat] is just catching too much. One moment. And I'll be back in just 2 minutes, people. Then I'll have to edit this out.

Hey, folks. Eyes back. Apologies for that. Yeah, you know, I went to get some water and I thought, cello, since I'm there, might as well pour myself a, you know, a joa, right? Somebody said, I don't think Monday nights with Muy.

I haven't done Monday nights in Muy for many years. Um I don't know what the person is asking. It doesn't say. I don't know. Uh right. Okay. Let's take you guys can hear me. Right. So yeah, just this is you know what I'm feeling.

There's been a I've been saying before this little bug going. Let me see. Who do we have here? Fad. assalam how's it going how are you doing >> so what's going on saying [laughter] >> what's Australia saying >> before I start off before I start put my questions um I've got a couple of housekeeping matters I want to bring to your attention I think broki is desperately trying to get you onto his podcast.

>> Oh, right. He has actually been telling me I did say to him I will go to his podcast. So, inshallah. Uh that's been my fault really. I've just been a bit distracted. Uh but yeah, I will I will do that. I have said to him I will. So, so it's just a matter of time now inshallah. But yeah. Okay. What else?

Any other issues? And um yeah, and one other thing um you said you might be able to do a bit of a analysis or a reaction to the sheas debate with the Shia brothers. Um what was your thoughts on that? Did you decide that you're going to do it or you don't really want to touch that? You know, I did say I would uh go over that, but I ended up not >> Yeah, but no, as in I didn't watch the debate, though.

So, I was thinking I'd share some thoughts, but then I guess it kind of went by and I guess we're all distracted in our own sense. And I you see the whole Shia Sunni thing it's like I you see I feel with the whole Sunni Shia that the it's a bit of a kind of moot um case really because what what is the outcome like there is no you know people are not going to those who are Shia are not going to become Sunni those who are Sunni for the most part not going to be Shia

people just are who they are. Now to me it is better that we can find some mutual grounds and then just leave it. Like I feel it doesn't do like it doesn't do any good all this cuz it just gets very uh it gets very nasty in a way because people start saying all sorts of like I saw some there was some clips of that um I think was it the pre-debate conversation that she was having

um with um Shehikh Hassan Kadari now and I've met both of obviously I've met shear and I know she but I have met Hassan Kadri as well very you know it's been a few years and you know amazing a when we met and had a really great evening of conversations with there was a whole group of them with them.

So my personal um you know kind of feel of him was was really positive and is you know would be really positive. The only thing is now you see now in this debate or in that what was it the conversation the pre-debate conditions [clears throat] now he said during the debate you cannot say

and and I I found that just not only unacceptable I did find it from a dialogical perspective uh you know even from like just from a dialectic that you're engaging the other person I found it to be um just nonsensical unacceptable and even undignifying as a request from him that how like because you see that doesn't make any sense like cuz and he said well you see and his

argument was that well we otherwise would believe in cursing some companion so we're not going to curse if you don't but that doesn't you see it doesn't carry I know it could on a pure devoid you know like from one platform 2D you might think that's makes sense you know okay I don't do this you don't do that but from a clear analysis that that that doesn't tally that one in any philosophical reality.

Cursing somebody is never equatable to some people honoring other people. It's never the same that there is a surplus expression in cursing people. Unquestionably, that doesn't carry across in any tradition. So it it's not a like for like you know so so it just doesn't because naturally to us the symbols of Islam are going to be amongst them will clearly and at the forefront will be the Sahabah.

So to say and this is an honorific with the Sahabah, you know, it's like a dua. It's an honorific and and it's inspired by the Quran. So and I get it. You may not be, you know, you may have debates or you may have a disagreement on some of the companions, but yeah. So now this is my point. You see now this like watching that was very distasteful.

But you see it was distasteful and to me it was damaging watching that because you see now prior to that my only engagement with Hassan Aladri was incredibly positive.

So, and I had nothing but like a really uh and I still feel that you know maybe he said that just in the moment or something obviously I don't know but I'm you know I'm just trying to find an excuse here but but to me that debate only did harm like I didn't even watch the debate I just watched the pre-debate and even that did harm you know it just turned into something which not only is there no good to come from it.

But a certain amount of respect or a status that I see a person in now I felt oh was damaged like I felt like damn why why are you saying something like that that's not nobody would say something like that because that's just very and it's and almost to suggest it is inflammatory. So this it just proves the point that there's no purpose to these debates apart from just um you know it's they're just incendurary.

They're just going to create more hatred. So that said, there was another debate that I did want to review and that was somebody but I've got to watch it. I've only seen snippets of it. Sorry, it wasn't a debate. It was a podcast discussion. So, it's between a [snorts] Damn, it slipped my mind now. He's a convert white English Muslim and he's having the discussion with um this non-Muslim guy who's a bit cutthroat at times.

Damn, he slipped my mind now. Maybe somebody knows what I'm talking about and they'll put it in the comments. So they discuss a bunch of things but in there it's recently uh quite viral. So in there this this guy is giving you know he's giving a lot of uh general generally fair enough good just just his perspective as a non-Muslim middle-aged converting uh no no it's not Paul this is some person who's in recent years converted and they end up speaking about the age

of Aisha and this was so damaging It was like honestly >> the other guy was >> No, no, it's not Hamza Toris. Hamza Toris is he's obviously Hamza Torres has been a Muslim for decades. This person Oh, >> right.

>> Yeah. He's not that learned. Hamza Torres is quite learned in, you know, in especi in Islamic debate. But this person is some damn. But anyway, so he's somebody more recent and very new. Maybe he's part of the Dawa scene a bit. He's middle-aged. He's got a bit of a beard, uh, white guy, whitish gray beard, and he's speaking.

But they end up on the topic of the age of Aisha. And honestly, the amount of harm that this person does and this whole theme is doing to Islam, it is almost irreparable. Like I don't know how how much of a miracle it will be to redeem the harm that these people have done.

and they've done it with good intention but they've really harmed Islam and they've hurt the honor of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam and really by extension hurt the uh you know the sentiments and the hearts of countless millions of Muslims just because of this whole narrative this one narration in Bkari has tripped them up so bad that it doesn't understand like the and the other guy doesn't isn't holding back, you know, because he's not a Muslim and he's very cutthroat.

So, and he's using, you know, all kinds of phrases like he's saying things like, well, you know, in what world can a person stick his, you know, and he's he's very very with great vulgarity just expressing himself and he's trying to taking this whole phenomenon of the um age of Aisha really.

Yeah. Salam. You know, if there was something that you could and this really the worst part is it's Muslims who have hurt Muslims by this. It's not um um it's not non-Muslims. They have only caught on to what we've as Muslims have hurt ourselves.

It is absolutely absurd. And you know, I think there's a point where he tries to say something like, "Oh, no, you know, you're nine and you know, in that day and age." And so I think the guy says, "Okay, so you tell me what what did a 9-year-old look like?" Cuz what are you going to say when she look like a 20-year-old? Like that never happens in any uh world. And so what exactly are you saying? And and then he says to him like, "Oh, so would you allow this?" And he says, "No, no, no.

I wouldn't because you know today the laws have changed." And and this is a simple point that they would put forward that okay, hypothetically, let's say the laws allowed it. Would you be okay with that? Would you be okay with somebody doing something and if you are not okay with it, then that's double standards. That's hypocritical because you know if you're saying that this is something your prophet did and you yourself wouldn't tolerate it.

So this is such a slander against Islam. It's a slander against our prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam. And you know with the no matter how pure the intentions of these people are wall on this matter they have betrayed the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam and it doesn't matter how sincere their intentions have been the harm that they have caused our prophet on this that only Allah can take them to account for that and I understand that they're trying to be sincere and they're not trying to harm Islam and ironically in

They believe they somehow are defending Islam but they have not only they haven't even let down they have betrayed our prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam on this matter and you know if if there was one thing that you could somehow undo it would be the betrayal of these Muslims that really have because it is ridiculous to assume this and let's just start off very simply that look first of all this is not even a hadith okay people just mix up because they

think anything that's in a I love how Sab explains this he says that look you have to understand that because this and many people have said this part by the way that this is not a hadith this is you're assuming anything in Bkari is a hadith it's not in Bkari you have the hadith of the prophet and then you have statements of the companions.

So this [snorts] is a statement from Aisha being transmitted by her nephew um and then you know really it's being transmitted by Hisha. So this is what it is. Now keeping in mind that it's a this is being done decades after the event many decades after because for the for her to be telling her nephews now and her you know uh and the other people this is much later in life.

This is then being documented by people uh you know really we're talking on the better part of 150 to 200 years after the prophet anything between that time it's really being documented as in being put down on paper. So what happens in 150 years and you're you're relying on something where the prophet himself taught us that look we referring to his people.

This was specifically about his people in his time. We are an unlettered people. He said about his his Arab people that we don't read, we don't write, we don't document, we just go with. And he said this in relation to us them keeping a calendar because when they asked him about the moon, how do we document it?

And he said with his hands that a day a month is either this or it's and then on one he put he, you know, put down the finger and said it's either 30 days or 29. And then he said we [clears throat] are a people who do not document and do not write and we do not calculate lassa.

So people you you know you take something like I gave in my video once the example of the battle of Kandak in which the entire Medina was laid siege. Now you think people in Medina would surely remember and when they tell people after them what year that was in, they would all agree on it. No, they disagree on what year it was in.

Forget that. Even you want to document about the prophet, how old was the prophet when he passed away? You'd think, okay, they might disagree when he was born, but surely they all know the prophet's age when he passed away. No. Some say 60. >> 60. Yeah, popularly. But the narrations, some say one narration says 60, one says 62, one says 63, one says 65.

And these and you're going to find these some of these narrations in Bkari. It's not that they're not in Bkari as well. They are. So they're in the and they in they're going to be authenticated. So the question is when you have and I love what Ramadi Sab explained. He said look listen the hadith books are not history books. He said that we in Islam did not have historians like a historian is somebody who would go and investigate a a facet of history.

So if we said well this happened in this year now he's going to go and investigate. Did it actually happen? Was there a conflict of data? This is like what we would call like an academic historian or a professional historian. These people didn't exist in the immediate uh you know in the generations after the prophet. They they were there were no historians. They were just regular people just making a note of something.

They weren't people trying to scrutinize history. They weren't people trying to say well you know let me check. Is there a conflict here? has a person made me it's just like look I don't know so much about I'm pretty much clueless about a lot of cars and mechanical stuff I have to rely on certain friends now if somebody said something to me about the the engine of my car or the engine of somebody's car now I'm not an expert in that I'm far from an expert now I might just recall like say yeah yeah you know the person said the manifold was playing up or

thing. Now, that's not the same as an expert. Now, let's say this statement of mine was examined much later to kind of dissect what the problem of this engine was. Could have I got it wrong? It's it's plausible. I don't know. I know very little about cars in terms of their engines and things like this.

So now whereas imagine I got my friend who is an expert mechanic to to document the mistake in that car or sorry the error that would be much more reliable. Now what uh Sabik highlights is that look Muslim historians don't appear till the better part of almost 200 years after the prophet.

So by that time they're too late now to themselves assess the historical details they want to investigate. So they are now just you know they've just got reports from before. So they're just kind of collecting that. Now that is not the same as what the people who said the hadith were doing. They were just stating, you know, it's just an like an a historical opinion that this is what I'm this is what I believe this person said.

Did I get it right? Did I get it wrong? I'm just a person. I could get things right and wrong. Think about yourself. How often do you get things right or wrong about recall? Especially when you're recalling things. How often have you misrec when she was if we say engaged or you know the nikah to the prophet she was probably anywhere near 17 18 something like that.

By the time she was married she was most likely anything either 20 or 19. That goes with all the other evidence that you're looking at. All of the other evidence. The fact that she was present in battlefields where other teenage boys were not even allowed. The fact where she would make reference of certain things that early suras of Islam that how she knew them.

the fact that she's listed by certain by she's listed by Isak as one of the first people to be uh one of the first few Muslims. She's listed with Abu Bakr and his family and he lists Aisha in there. So what was how was she one of the first Muslims if she if we're going by the argument that she wasn't even born yet?

Because revelation if we're taking revelation to something like let's say 13 uh you know prehiji so then and if she was what seven uh 3 years before the hijra or six then she wouldn't have been born when the prophet had received revelation. It would be three years prior to her being born.

So how is she listed amongst the first set of Muslims? How is it that she was already engaged and and not only engaged the other broke it off out of fear that she will convert their son? Like how are all these people not seeing this and then just in some bravado of oh but King Richard married a 10year-old or whoever it was.

Who on earth gives a damn what King bloody Richard or King James or King who cares what they did? They weren't the prophet of Allah. I [snorts] mean that that's just the most ludicrous attempt. And you know what? That sounds so ludicrous not only to us, it sounds as ludicrous to the non-Muslims that they tell this to cuz it's like why do I they're thinking why do I care what King Richard did?

So, you know, citing monarchs from Middle England or from the those like what on earth how is that a you know that that you know it's like if somebody commits an act of tyranny that's as alien to me saying well do you know you know funny you say that's an act of tyranny do you know during the Ming dynasty

this is how they this is exactly what one of the kings did. I mean, [laughter] what would that even mean? That doesn't mean anything. It's like, what? How does that tie into my conversation? Why do I even care what they did? So, this is how absurd this is. Yeah. And so, and this is the one thing that they constantly keep bringing up.

>> Yeah. Right. So uh and that's something I do I will be doing more on inshallah I will watch more of that >> uh discussion the podcast of these um and discuss that in more length because I feel them you cannot speak about that enough it is no matter how much you speak about it it's still less but yeah so what are the before you go I know it's taking a little while and and I do apologize for

Can I just ask you a little a simple Okay. Um I I know you've covered it in briefly on one of your Monday nights, but if you can maybe just touch upon it a little bit more in detail, that would be amazing. Um pork gelatin, gelatin made of pork. Um in your opinion or in the Mari M's opinion, is it allowed to eat? Like you know how you got jelly beans and things like that with pork gelatin?

>> So something like that something. >> Yes. So the ruling that there is a difference of opinion on this on Yeah. There is a difference of opinion on gelatine >> but there is the opinion that is obviously there's the opinion that it's haram. Um but the opinion that it is not haram because it has undergone substantial transformation now.

And what that means is that the substance it has undergone a kind of molecular transformation and therefore no longer the substance. This fatwa is sound in the maliki mad in the hanafi mad in many of the madhabs but I feel today that because of culture they're not really so they disagree with it I think in practice but in theory they do accept the principle.

So yeah, gelatine according to the like many things like vinegar which um you know if you spirit vinegar is uh is halal wine vinegar is halal. In fact the hadith of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam is that the best of your vinegars is the vinegar made from wine. So

that's a hadith ini. So now so when takes place and that's not to say that the vinegar and the wine will not still share similar properties. They will but it would be enough to have uh made a transformation. So it's not, you know, when you taste wine vinegar, it doesn't have uh some of the qualities of the wine.

It must have some because it's not going to look like a, you know, it's not like, oh, here it looks like vinegar and you come over here and it looks like, I don't know, it's like a total different. It's like a strawberry drink. It's not like that. It's going to be very it's going to be still have several qualities of wine. It's going to have certain elements of taste to it that would still be from wine.

It's going to have the color will be similar. The viscosity, I'm sure, will be still pretty similar. It's not, but it would have lost um its intoxicant uh intoxicating element. But keeping in mind here the argument is that something that's haram ought to stay haram regardless of so the and keeping in mind that many people although some of the Malikia disagree here and some of the Medina uh before IM Malik as well disagree with

this that is alcohol is wine in and of itself impure. Is it nudes? So many of the madhabs, they feel that wine is actually nudes. So if it got on your clothes, that's impure me. There's several from Medina of Medina of the um of Mab Medina and from the Maliki Mab also and Imam Malik's teachers who believe that wine itself was not impure.

Alcohol is not impure. It's just haral. So there is a difference in terms of if it spills on you or things like this. Now and they use as that the evidence they use that if it was impure then when it was made haram the Sahaba spilt it in the streets of Medina and the streets of Medina in that day and age were part of the haram.

So they were something that you didn't um you know you could not it was within the haram. So it was haram to really do you know now so that's the argument that they make. So if you take this that alcohol is impure, how does it suddenly become pure when it turns into vinegar? Because it still retains a lot of its qualities.

Now, the intoxication itself, you could say, well, that's the haram element, but the intoxication itself surely can't be the impurity cuz the intoxication is an effect. It's not a uh it's not something you can touch. You can't say, well, this thing here is the intoxication in the wine. It's the effect it has on you when you consume it.

So, what is the impurity then? So if I say the impurity is the actual liquid which they say it is then how is it that the prophet says that the best of your vinegar is the vinegar that is made from wine. Now because it still has the same liquid properties and it will probably have a lot of the wine qualities. It'll probably have the same color, a similar kind of smell. It'll still have the same maybe a you know remnants of the a similar taste.

It will still have that. So what was it that was impure and how does it carry across? So similarly uh when so if wine when converted to vinegar is no longer not only haram but according to the the hadith of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam was his favorite vinegar.

So similarly when gelatine regardless of whether it's from beef or pork or whatever you see another issue here and I'll come back to that. I'll circle back to the pig exclusively. An issue here is that regardless where the gelatine is from, once it's been transformed, like the wine, it's no longer impure. The other mah here is the other madhabs believe that pig as an animal, not as food.

As food, everybody agrees that pork is haram to eat. All Muslims agree on this. Is the pig itself something impure? So if you touch a pig, do you need to wash your hand? If the pig was to touch you or you know get it sweat on you or get it slive on you. One is you wanting to wash yourself.

That's fine. But is it impure in Islam? Is the pig the creature itself impure? Now according to the school of Medina um and Imam Malik that no creature of God is ever impure. There isn't a single creature that Allah has created that we can call impure.

So according to the Maliki every life necessitates purity that anything that is alive is always pure. So pig is no except pig. Allah made the pig as well. It's not that you know the pig is made by the devil and all other creatures. So in Islam we don't have a hatred of pigs. We just don't eat pork.

So it's not that we don't go around trying to harm pigs. For example, if somebody said, "I'm going to go around torturing pigs." That would be against Islam. That would be haram. You're not allowed to harm any animal in the sense that you're torturing them or just harming them. Obviously, we're allowed to eat certain things and that's a different sacrifice. But even then, you're not allowed to torture the animal. It's haram.

So, if a person said, you know what, Islam, in Islam, pigs are therefore we must hate pigs. No, we don't hate them. We just don't eat pork. It's haram. So sometimes it's not for many Muslims they might struggle with that difference in making that difference. So they might think well it's true when something is haram they think we ought to hate it.

I mean not in that sense when it comes like let's say poison is haram. You don't hate poison do you? Nobody thinks like I hate poison. You don't have a visceral hatred for poison. So sometimes some actions you could have a hatred for. But really all animals there's no cruelty in Islam. Like you couldn't be cruel to pigs just because it's haram to eat. So according to the school of Medina they are not impure to start off with but they are haram to eat.

Now similarly death makes all animals impure. So that's life is what keeps it pure. So a dead a carcass a dead body of anything is impure. So that's the school of medina. It's very principled very straightforward. And yeah so gelatine would be no different there. It would be whether it's from beef, pork, plants, it undergoes a transformation.

So it would no longer be really called it would no longer be the things that they began with. It would have transformed enough to be a different product we now call gelatine. So even though they make it, let's say they take some of the bone extracts or they take some of the cartilage or whatever it is, what it results in what we call gelatine is a substantial difference to what we began with.

>> Yeah. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. >> You're welcome. Now Allah bless you. Shukran and have a >> just one just one last thing before I go. Ed, do you have a pen and paper handy? You can just write something down or maybe next time. >> Uh, sure. By what? What? Uh, wait. I'm not sure. Why?

What's uh what's the thing >> on Excel or something? Um, maybe for next time if you can just do an in-depth analysis on the four mabs and what their sort of similarities are and difference are if maybe for next time that's okay. [laughter] >> A question. >> You did do it quickly. >> Inshallah. Another another another time we'll cover that inshallah. Right. Take care Fad. A pleasure as always people.

Fahad from down under. I I wasn't sure sure what Fad was um suggesting when he's said about the pen and paper. I thought he was about to tell me to write some email or something and say could you [laughter] acha? He's telling me a research question for me to research. No, no, I'm joking.

Of course, of course. That will be that will be a pleasure. We got to wrap this up shortly. Let's have some quick uh Oh my god, it's in the time. Y salam. We've got here. Who do we have? Uh Anto Rahmanalum. Wikum. Assalam. How are you doing?

>> Doing great. Doing great. >> Okay. >> How is your Ramadan going? >> Allah be praised. Allah be praised always. Oh, >> can you hear me most properly? >> There is a little delay in your voice or in your voice reaching us. Yeah, that yeah you know it must be because you know light takes time you know the n to travel to us is taking >> yeah from from Bangladesh must be from Bangladesh travel to you >> the land of light you see it's coming

from the land of light to us Allah how are the oh there's the whole uh elections were going on wasn't it they finished going on >> yeah yes yeah election is finished and as expected the B& parties one in the majority by who can cook who knows >> the BMP BJP. No, no, no. Not BJP. BNP >> BNP BNP.

>> What is is the BMP the students? >> No, no. The student is NCP. NCP. So they joined with the Jamaat and uh so the NCP and the Jamat were the same and the BNP was the other proponents. Is BMP like the Hassina supporters or no? >> No, no, no. BMP Hassina was our only league.

>> Yeah. Okay. So, where do stand on the whole >> politics? Are they like far right center? Where where are they? Are they >> They are just same as the >> Okay. It's the same as the previous region. >> Yeah. >> A lot. like those two were in the power like and BNB and the student takeover uh in the July uh 2024.

>> Yeah. Oh wow. >> But it's better but it's it's better than the >> inshallah bless and put baraka and keep everybody safe there. I mean >> so uh you have uh talked about the existing file and I don't really um it's like uh I'm being just really desensitized of this stuff.

So, I really just uh took down all of my social media and stuff because it's just too much like and I think uh there is a fine line between like desens desensitizing myself with it like >> Yeah. >> No, I'm with you. I think you know what if it gets too much for somebody cuz it can draw you in. You know you watch a video then you watch another one you watch another one you watch another one and then sometimes the helplessness can frustrate you.

So I agree [clears throat] with you that you know if um you have to if you have to kind of if it gets too much just pull the plug. Yeah. >> Yeah. So Mi I have uh one uh like not question really uh like realization that I was thinking about like about God really. So what was the really purpose purpose of >> sorry I just that sorry to interrupt I just put that up there.

Yeah I think that was it doughy. I think that's the the podcast I was speaking about but yep sure sorry carry on. Yeah, the about God and yeah, we'll have to >> uh what was the really purpose of an independent uh being for creating us like what where is that want come from like creating us?

>> Well, the answer to that is what in the famous hadith that Allah says that I loved to be known. So I created creation so that he may that he may see his glory through us that he may >> Yeah.

So I I was thinking like um for a being that is independent like the for a being that is limitless the thing uh that being could ever want is to feel dependency. >> No it's not no dependency >> like not dependency on on that man like you uh like he created us and we are a part of him.

And we are somehow a manifestation of him at the same time. We are manifesting his glory. >> Yeah, we're manifesting his glory. Now Allah, >> you see what you see the hadith mentions that it says Allah says that I loved to be known. So I created creation.

So through me they came to know me. Now that's the kind of answer. Now I suppose you could say well why did Allah love to be known? But he says he loved to be known that that was his um you know that's what he loved to be. So he loved to be known. Yeah. I mean I >> so uh isn't it dependency that is being it's not a dependency that is being highlighted >> not dependency it's it like actual dependency it is just uh making a

reality where uh your manifestation can experience somewhat like artificial dependency >> right sure but the the point the point in at and is that why did Allah create creation and so that through his creation he may observe his own glory and majesty.

So yeah that is the ultimate that there is. Now obviously we >> on experience that as God because we're not God we're not Allah but we can understand that though it's something to worth understanding. Yeah. M >> now just uh this thought came into my mind because uh like uh Arabi has some discussion that uh somehow we all really came from God uh from the gods and we don't really came outside of uh of the boundaries of God.

So whatever uh god created it is from within or it is just uh >> no hebn nobrai doesn't say that does in fact describes anybody who says that to be kufur in his uh mak he says that anybody who says or things like that is nothing but those are the words he uses does not say we are part of god like What Ari says is that we >> part of God is like manifestation like >> but not in not in the you not like that

though not like we are him that he's we are just him we are not Allah so what he's saying is that we are like what he's describing is that we don't actually have a true reality. It's a bit like saying we are on a screen. Let's say you got a computer game. Now the game is real, but it's kind of not real cuz where is it then?

>> Yeah, >> cuz let's say you're going in a game and they're going and they're driving in the cars and they're going into buildings and where are these buildings? Where are they? Well, there they are, but where are they? Where's the building, though? So, he's saying it like that that we exist, but we don't exist. He's not saying we are God. He doesn't say that. And he doesn't say we are physically a part of God.

He in fact says we physically don't have a true physicality. We are more like an illusion but we think like to us we are a reality but compared to God we are just an illusion. So he says we are so so this is like misrepresentations of he never said things like that that we are pieces of God like as in we are like part of God's body or something like this.

This is like a very Yeah. >> No I didn't really mean like that. I was just asking you like uh uh it comes as a uh as an idea. >> Yeah. No, but the reason I'm saying that is because >> you see because that is the reason why the Copies and all these people hate on because they >> take those kind of statements which he hasn't made by the way but sometimes people make about him.

I'm not saying you, but other people in the past have sometimes, you know, said things and then they say, well, Arabi uh and they've never read Arabi and not even really familiar with his works. Then they come out with these super dumb things like, oh, if I eat an apple, then I've eaten Allah and what does that mean? And that's just so stupid. And nobody says but that that's the kind of result of that expression you see because nobody is saying it like that and nobody has said that we came out of Allah like that >> and what he's actually saying is that we are just an illusion.

We don't really exist. We do exist as far as we and the best way to see this today is like the computer game that the game as you see it's got buildings, cars, people, everything's on the screen but where are they? You say well there they are but where are they? That's just a screen. So where are the people? So so from one perspective they exist from one perspective they don't exist.

So that is the that is a good analogy of thing. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what it is. >> See that this is uh what the world the life of this world is but provisions >> of a deception.

[laughter] So when you think about it, it's you know as says that that don't be misled by this uh this reality that this whole world is like a circular trap of an imagination or in the other

See, it's nothing but that. And that's I think that is so so true on so many levels. >> Yeah. >> Right. We'll have to wrap this up. >> Yeah. Take care and my dua >> and Allah bless you. Love you. >> Likewise, man. Allah bless you. Love you too, man. Allah bless you all, man.

There's nothing but um love that comes from you guys. I've got here Mati Hanadalamikum. [clears throat] How are you? >> I'm good. I'm good. All right. Mi, where are you joining us from? >> Uh London. I don't know if that's I mean you live in Birmingham, right?

>> Yeah. All right. >> The UK. The UK. Ramadan or >> Barak? Likewise, Allah bless you in Ramadan. >> I know you're going to be short for time. Um, I do have two questions. Feel free to only answer one because you're short on time and whatnot, unless the second one interests you. >> Uh, first one, try not to laugh. It is quite a ridiculous question, but it's something that I on my mind and as a person of knowledge that you are, we should come to you with these things, right?

Um, so >> yeah. >> Okay. So, keep it short. It's a bit longwinded. So the verses of the Quran that talks about Yat George and Matt George, I [clears throat] can't help but relate it to the immigration crisis that we see in the UK. You may disagree with me on like immigration in the UK and whatnot, but we do see like influx of like whatever you do, don't give this narrative to reform and the farright races.

[laughter] They're going to be like a char. So, not only are immigrants, you know, tax evading thieves, all these things, now they're going to say immigrants are yet to [laughter] stop. No, but like let's I know. [laughter] >> I feel like your old version like Monday, what was it? You know, the way you used to be in in your your little bookshelf.

I think that meant I think that MY would have enjoyed the special a lot. Oh, that I would have had a field day. [laughter] >> Yeah, I know. >> I think I think me I think the whole EDL will have a field day with >> Nigel Farage is going to be like, "Guys, forget about all the other propaganda.

Did you know they yacht, we need to save the British Isles from the Yatu and Machu." Um but no like obviously like Britain at once was you know a good society a good civil order >> was once are you saying immigrants >> but then like you know when you do have immigrants coming in to do the antisocial behavior and all these things [laughter] >> I've got a feeling this is I've got a feeling Mai that this is like you you're like one of those AI avatars right and really it's Nigel Farage speaking on the [laughter]

He's like he's made a avatar of somebody from East London. He's like, "Yeah, I'm I'm going to call myself the Mai [laughter] and watch I'm going to go on this show and say bismillah." The Quran tells us we need to get rid of immigrants because they are >> yach that's what they are. >> But like the Quran is supposed to be like a guidance for mankind for all times after the prophets.

So like one one thing um that I struggle to think is like why would there be a story in the Quran that the people should only be interpreting for during the end of times. >> So is it >> how can it be a how can this story be a guidance for all times after the prophet Muhammad but it's only relevant during the end of the world in a pocket. >> Do you know what I mean? >> It's like damn the Yatu Jam Matu took my job.

They took my NHS job. >> Yeah, I know man. Even Yat Maj are going to be like really perplexed that what are they blaming me about? Yeah, they take they taken all the construction building jobs. It's like it's like okay so [laughter] >> no but can it can it be like like compared to that because when you do read it you do sort of think you know Duran is this like righteous leader and he's created this nice society and then the people complain to him it's like look these people coming in can you not even >> you do kind of sense that sort of interpretation I know it's kind of stupid >> but I guess what I'm really asking is

>> what I'm really asking is >> sir >> the rigor and for I said given the depth rigor and fortitude of that question that I will you know what give me three count to three to think about the answer so one 3 two one no it cannot [laughter] >> no no but my real question is like >> what's the >> my real question is like how what is this first mental how what sort of values are we supposed to interpret from it and >> from from the church >> yeah because like really and truly when when you grow up as a Muslim you're taught that this is a lesson for the end of times, right?

End of time, certain things going to happen, >> blah blah blah. >> But then this particular verse, like are we supposed to just like ignore it? Like is is it not applicable in any way, shape or form? Like why would uh why would the >> why does it why would you think it's not applicable? So you see Yeah. J Matj it's not clear that what exactly uh when I say it's not clear it doesn't mean it doesn't give an understanding it gives an understanding but we are then compartmentalizing that understanding so it has a raw level of understanding like

in the word like if if you read this word let's say without being influenced by cultures and theories and it would carry an understanding and but then over time it's a bit like saying well you know [clears throat] reform now it has a an understanding like a political understanding but the word itself if used in a different context could mean something totally different.

So similarly yach mach in the kind of meaning that the word gave it gave a meaning of time like an a phenomenon of great turbulence and chaos that's what it gave as a meaning.

So then some people or not some people then over time people try to compartmentalize it on maybe tribes or regions or race or ethnicity or so so this is all the kind of compartmentalization of it. It's not what the word itself gave.

So the word itself gave this feeling of like it's speaking about great turbulence, chaos. That's what it is. A phenomenon of chaos and turbulence. Um and this and to say that well you know at certain times there will be there will come a time again upon mankind of turbulence and chaos.

And some like the great um Salafi uh slipped my mind now. Isn't it um um isn't it? Oh damn. Is it Zadi or the uh the great Salafi scholar as well uh who has a tapi? He had an article uh which is still available where his thesis was that it was actually in reflection referring to the era the colonial era the time of such chaos that ensued for generations.

So however people understand it whether that time has been or not when you're talking about >> yeah people do I mean like certain scholars did think that it was the Mongol invasions and the Mongols were >> yes some people felt it was the Mongols some people felt it was um you know the the colonial period and some people maybe it has some other meaning uh Allah maybe could it be that it's not this prophecy that's going to come later on but rather it's a lesson that we can use in every era until the end of times like it like this sort of these they're not a particular thing >> as in could

>> sure in a in a in a sense like but I would say of commensurate proportionality like if you're taking something like let's say colonialism whereby the whole world the shadow of it cast it was cast upon almost the majority of the world into utter darkness of barbarity and butcherings and you know you take something like the Congo reports of the amount of hands that they chopped and you could take India and the famine of Bengal or how they massacred people and you could all of like you take that proportionality of what people are looking at and sure any

any human tragedy of that proportion if a person did refer to it as Yatooj and Matuj sure I mean you that you people could do that I guess I think most people feel it's not just for every it's only for certain you know uh epic kind of but not in a positive like in a negative >> I [gasps] honestly don't to me I felt I was at one point like I would be inclined to thinking it's either one of the two I would think well it's either colonialism

that took place. Um, or maybe at some point aliens. >> Aliens. >> So, I would I would probably think aliens here because I I do feel aliens do exist and I feel that not only do they exist that we've had a lot of data on them and to me aliens are like we've misunderstood what the jin means.

To me, alien are the jin. that the Jin are not these kind of spooky spirits flying around >> that they would be aliens and it's just that they would have been too far to make contact and maybe on some occasions they were making contact. So that's how I I see it differently that I would think >> how can they make a wall against aliens like >> like I I don't know like I mean once again there's another premise here that is is it following or these two separate events the mat and if he did let's say

it is then it could be that certain civilizations way before had some technology ology that we don't fathom today that and and it disappeared. I mean we don't understand even things like how the pyramids and all these things were being made. We don't understand and it's you know people like the pharaohs were not making the pyramids they were inheriting them.

There's a big difference because the every other pyramid built after the great three is it's very weak. I mean, you put them together, it's like miles apart. They're made very poorly. They're not made with the same engineering. They're not made even though there's so many pyramids. Uh but they're nothing after those three. And so what so other things as well not just that one what we do learn is that there must have been some kind of like humans before they must some they must have had access to some kind of knowing that we don't or we don't understand today.

And for some reason, maybe with the younger dus incident that kind of wiped out and it led to the mini ice age >> that humanity and caused a global rising and a flood that that knowledge may have been lost on many people. So yeah, like maybe there's certain things that I don't know this is this is just a you know >> isn't my interpretation more plausible than your as aliens?

You see, I don't know you say that, but you see what is the Tell me what is the CIA's most kept secret in terms of the files? What is the most guarded >> assassination? Maybe. >> No, it isn't. It's the UFO project. >> Is it >> the UFO? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Despite Congress declaring the See, if there was nothing If there was nothing on UFOs, right? Why is the largest budget on spending gone on UFOs?

Why is it been Why is it been described as the most kept guarded secret above the Manhattan project? Now the Manhattan project is well guarded by the CIA naturally because of obviously the atomic thing but more guarded than that is the UFO. when Congress, I think in 2023, just recently, when they asked, they had the congressional hearings and the testimonies of great uh ranked officers and all these people testifying to the the having witnessed the the uh other worldly material that the USA is in

possession of. The Congress demanded that the files be released. This is the government of the USA and it was denied. So if there's nothing in the files, why are they still denying them? Well, you know, like if I've got something and my findings show there's nothing here, why, you know, just follow the money. We It's It's like these Epstein things as well. It just goes to show >> that there is to me I feel that they've on purpose mocked and um you know they've created all these like movies and allowed movies to develop in this

way that people would mock it. It's like they made these movies where rich people go on this island and hunt hunt innocent people. Now, when they've released these, you know, the victims have come forward about Epstein's island saying this is what they would do. Obviously, those victims disappeared and went missing all of a sudden. But you see, it's it's things we've watched in movies. It's like, oh yeah, because that's how everybody would disbelieve it because they would say, oh, was it what's his name?

Heck, when he was one of the leading uh authorities and he was progovern, wasn't he? Because and if you re watch his interviews, he later on when he turned against them towards the later part of his life and he said that the government that the not just the government sorry not the government the CIA and the military-industrial complex. He said that they were paying them to go on um you know they would select them pay them to go on these talk shows and they would make this phenomenon appear ridiculed to the public and you would have these very intelligent people professors ridiculing it so the public

buys into it that oh that's dumb and he later in in the very short part of his final part of his life when he turned against that and said well actually they paid us to do all of this and Um, and I think we now see it. You see, so to me, I feel that this is another thing. And I'll tell you, if you want, if you're open to theories, watch the virgin of the Virginia, but they spell it with a h, the Brazil Virginia sightings.

And there's a documentary on it called something like, >> I think it was called point of contact or something. But if you just just explore that, how do you explain that? that was with multiple people witnessed it. Multiple. And if you look at the the doctors that the thing they caught. Uh and you know if you go into how the the the radiation, the person who died, the girls who witnessed it, the uh the stench, how the consistency of all the witness testimonies, how suddenly the USA flew in with the jets and took it.

And so yeah, I I mean on these things I do I didn't never used to buy into it but upon going down that >> like a lot of conspiracy theories are getting vindicated now you know. >> Yeah. Now we're seeing that yeah it's called Point of Contact. It really is an uh an interesting documentary. I would say definitely uh watch it.

It doesn't mean you have to believe in what they say. I by the way would mock the alien theory. I used to mock it. Um there's a a a dear friend of mine is related to me as well. She sajad many people may know him. He spells it SJ a D. And and many great things in my life he uh many great theories initiated me onto.

And at first I would always mock it and be like nah that's absurd. I I won't believe that. But he would just kind of say, "Well, okay, you know what? Just hear me out. Just watch this one thing or watch this." And over the years, there's been many great theories that I've really got into because of him kind of signaling them to me. And this was one that he told me and I mocked and I said that that's absurd and you know, it's ridiculous and why they only appear in America.

And all these arguments I had them. So it was one thing at a time. I just started exploring and I realized well actually you know it actually makes perfect sense like that there's definitely some things going on but I have to wrap this up I think you do as well >> we will catch up but it's been a pleasure Mai uh speaking to you take care of yourself and we'll speak soon people that was Mai from London I think East London not sure but London nevertheless And we will have to call this a wrap.

We've gone on. I will do uh many more. We'll catch up. And yep, that's it. The Virginia UFO uh sighting. Yeah, I'll just bring this up. Incident 1996. [snorts] Right. So, people take very good care of yourselves. Allah keep you all blessed. Keep you all smiling.

do I I do agree with um who is it that um was it Anu? He said a moment ago that you for you know we do have to be weary sometimes not to get so drawn in pulled in that we forget the positivity and the blessings all around us and it's true that you know we're attention goes energy flows and so we must I mean maintain a balance if we are to get drawn in then we have to keep that positivity and love going guys as always much Love to you all.

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