Is Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri a Problematic Narrator for Hadith? -Mufti Abu Layth

he's asking at least zu3 Shehab with Dean Izadi generally we do respect obviously highly mom sorry he was one of the Dons of Modena and one of the teachers of Imam Ali however in my Imams over he was a shukran shukran among so he was a major what I would call a powerhouse of hadith as in one of the key people that transmitted so many heavy so there's a few of them I mean this there's some key

people you will hear their names repeatedly people like Zoe people like even at your age people like patada Amash these kind of people and other figures they like powerhouses as in from them stem loads of narrations like they really these people are like your broadband version of hadith coming down so when it comes to them zoom that and then people after them are just the olden day dial-up kind of system it's very they're not as these guys are the

main vents of Hadees Zoe was also the first person commissioned to document Hadees when he did by Omar ibn Abdul Aziz when he did so he never did it with chains that was not the request at the time the chain collection began after him now and although he may have witnessed that he dies if I'm correct I think he dies in 124 a jury or something like that now Imams already one problem with him

is that he's a major model is he's motele this is somebody that when you present chains of hadith like serve you so when we're saying so I'm gonna say I heard something from let's say I heard it from EB who heard it from Irfan who heard it from let's say nav now that's a chain but the problem is that because if he is so broad listen if rod is so popular Marshall amongst people and so

let's just say now he has a really bad reputation so nobody really wants to take anything from him oh no idea why they'd want to do that to you never are but let's just assume it's something to do with your personality I need to sober up people so cool that so let's just say for whatever reason now so what I do is because I have also met Irfan who I have at times taken things

from but this particular thing I haven't heard it directly from your phone I've heard it through a rod then Irfan but what I choose to do is drop his name and I just say from a fan from naff that this was said now people would say oh yeah but you know Mufti knows if on yes so he must have heard it directly from him so without me saying the word I heard directly from I imply I allow to mislead you in you thinking that I heard this directly and at the same token I

haven't lied I've misled so there's a difference one is I clearly say I heard this from him when I didn't so that's lying one is I mislead you into thinking that I'm saying that so I just say yeah you know one day your fan said now I don't say I heard he said it to me I just say he said so you assume I heard this directly from him because I know him and we're contemporary we've met but the truth is this has come through somebody else who is unreliable and I dropped that person in the chain from the chain this is called lease as

shocking as this is surprisingly scholars have accepted it I mean it's so some people like him Imam Shaba who is also a powerhouse of Hadi he he claimed he was very strict against at lease and used to deem it Haram sure I used to say that lease was Haram anybody who does that it's committed a sin but other scholars seem to be kind of more forgiving towards that lease and that's quite shocking in in my eyes but nevertheless so Imams ovary is a major motherless and even Hodja last colony in his book of modern leasing places him in

the artists Aletha from the third category which is the least that you can write their hadeeth but you can't use it as evidence unless he clearly says I heard and by the way sometimes so there's two layers to this trick layer one for the for the normal people he's just saying you know he said like I'm from this person and I'm hoping you guys are gonna take the bait you're gonna say oh and he must have heard it from him so in Arabic they used the word on as in Iong noon which means kind of from or on

the authority of now then there's another for the advanced players he realizes this ain't gonna cut it so he plays he ups the game so he uses words like Akbar now that he has informed us and people like Zuri still play the game on a Piranha's world him even at your age these people are notorious with a piranha so they will a piranha means he told me like he informed me so the normal word that scholars of hadith uses

hadith ana he spoke it to me so they will avoid that word because they don't want to lie but they'll take a bar and I mean for me and what that means is oh I've read it in his book he had a book and I read it in there he never told me whether the book was right or wrong but he informed me via a book you understand so it's the equivalent today of saying if I said you know so once if I said something like let's just say I said something like share Hamza Yusuf informed me that we should do things like this and this and

then somebody said oh wow are you in community engaged I mean do you communicate with share come to yourself and I said well no he informed me via his facebook status this is the equivalent of what they were doing this was the advanced layer this was when you know gain not what is it skill 9000 or something or this was so a lot of people would think oh but and I was okay but it wasn't this was used wrongly used as well so so he does do that a lot we have to be wary of a lot of narrations from zouri this is why imam

malik who is the i mean if you get all the narrator's from imams overly the most reliable is who imam malik they say a botanist wizardry malik and yet imam malik only transmits about what 300 hadith from him and you know when emma when Imam Malik had passed away they they have found a large kind of container which they opened up and it had so many hadith in thee from zahavy which he hadn't transmitted so he was very weary as well in my malik was about what although he did respect Imams

already in his own right but he's very wary what he transmitted yeah it's really interesting you see Zoe is an interesting person because you know he's in some in many ways he's he's a key scholar of Medina and so on but he has these political mania bunny like Oh movie because he worked for the Umayyads he pop you know participated in their battles and used to be paid by them and stuff like this on the other yeah include Imam zaharie in the biographies

of the Shia they say some of them say Imams over he was a Shia but he was a covert Shia a lot of the rhodiola and a lot of the issues to do with aisha issues to do with the quran issues to a lot of those which the shia do pick up on all but how come you guys have got this in your books if you condemn us they actually tend to come through zouri which is an interesting thing I do actually find it quite plausible I think in mom's over in my understanding was very much inclined towards the later part of his life towards the Shia cause

and I think he didn't come out with that openly because it would have been detrimental to his whole to his career because in his early life he definitely isn't because in the time of Imam said he doesn't seem to align himself with the moms they do anything but then I think as time progresses and you see some of the struggles going on in Medina and stuff like this it appears that he does seem to have aligned himself with the Shia and this is why some of the Shia include him in their books in saying mom's ovary was actually a Shia so I think that's but that's you know I

caught we can't say one way or the other but this is what it seems when you look at the rewire that come to us all the problematic ones that the Shia tend to use against Sunnis they generally usually just come through easily which is I think it's interesting but I hope that