Monday Nights with Mufti Abu Layth: Session 108 pt.2

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going on what is this is this the is this the curse of the of mirza ghulam himself right so I'm just gonna share this again right so our fry people arrived we is back

we is back right lo siento lo siento for that I don't know what's happening it just suddenly froze and then just I couldn't see anybody online I could just see myself and the life thing kinda just disappeared on it so have I blocked all the trolls I mean they should be they should be blocked I'm just trying to straighten this right so I don't know more vegans right so this this thing that I was saying blood yell this is getting a bit annoying right so this

thing that I was reading about ibraheem alehissalaam is quite fascinating it was stating that see some of these things were saying his family that he came from were Bronfman were Indian Brahmin and this thing they were created they was demonstrating links between Brahma and Abraham and this whole thing of how they were trying to say that he he was like this is like the story of Brahma in some ways so you had how Brahma has his wife the wife of Brahma

the Hindu deity is sorry sweetie okay Saraswathi but Sarah is an in Swati like pure Sarah pure like Saraswathi and they were saying well and his wife was called Sarah and they were saying they were drawing all these parallels about how he for example had gone off from he was kind of in touch with that civilization he was Brahma he was kind of this was his belief and that some people believed he was a kind of he was ROM and hence

abiram you know like father rom they were calling him and then his name is changed and some people it was interesting that they were saying that they Iran for example that he we's is very similar to what the priests and the Brahmin and those people we in the Hindu culture and there was there was there was a few articles I was reading and they were trying to draw out some of these similarities and and he was just intriguing it was like okay and they were trying to say well if you look at the how for example pelting the stones and they said this is similar to this kind of ceremony that is conduct

ritual that is conducted here by the priests and this and this and it was just it was it was fascinating that's what I'd say that they were trying to say that he's his ancestors were from that Indus see Indus civilization and the Indus Valley Civilisation and that he too had contact with that and was familiar with those kind of teachings and things like this I mean I don't know I don't know I got me curious from a genetic perspective I wonder if if science could maybe shed some light on something like this that would be surely

fascinating so that's right so so that's that but that's that definitely was some fascinating kind of research and some of these things anyway about the the names and the practices and the Ihram and the ancestors that came from because the Bible mentions that Abraham's ancestors came from the east of earth that they although he was in earth but from the east they came so this is where they were kind of making these links and interesting interesting so if anybody

does have research on that do send it my way please I'm definitely fascinated in I'm definitely fascinated in learning more about that I mean were there any links to between the Indus civilization Abraham that's it's an interesting discussion right people so I want to take a look at this have a review of this Islam unboxed okay right I'm sorry yeah some people saying was the feed interrupted yeah I don't know what happened he just got

interrupted you just suddenly and that's it just disappeared right so I'm gonna bring up some right I went through well seeing the amount of amount of things open close up close up quickly quickly phone nowadays you can't you can't hand your phone over to anybody can you this day and age it's like it's like you have

a choice you're gonna have to meet it's gonna be death by firing squad or you have to just give your phone to everybody you have to just open it and people are like go on then death by fire well it's been a good life also I'm joking I'm joking I'm joking so what is going on yes so this smooth theable late Imam tawheed ease such Sacha Baron Cohen

yep he's oh is he okay that's interesting what about the HUD judge story yeah I went through the head judge story didn't I mention the head janitor I was mentioning unless you guys got interrupted did you get interrupted while I was mentioning the hajjaj story cuz I did finish it off but uh I don't know if you guys God knows what was happening on that end of the screen in the head judge story I was just mentioning how oh he got cut off ah right okay so the head judge story I was simply saying that he was that there was a person who kind of tells him off

during the hood wah so he's doing is hood were and the person says look that's enough now all right calm yourself board oh yeah that's it calm down if it's time to pray like you should do the Salah now so so Haddad says to one of his henchmen one of his soldiers he says this guy seems a bit too eager to get to paradise I think can you send him there please so they killed a guy for God's sake what the hell yeah so that's a bit sad but I

was trying to say you know those people who are so eager and so this was a judge for God's sake he was a tyrant but he was an eloquent tyrant I gotta say he was an eloquent you know an eloquent bar what uh if he was so particular about the Arabic language so particular in his Easter and used to kind of be very proud of his father on his clear Arabic and you know and and they say that he wants you know once he he heard a person in a

poem use a word which Elizabeth said I'll stop being so keen well at least some amongst us are keen the rest of us are just so I like is it time to pray is it let's go back to sleep so this is uh so as I was saying about her judge that in his he heard somebody won't say a poem and in the poem he used a word on a scale like so in Arabic all words fit on certain patterns and scales all words pretty much I mean most words nouns

pretty much so he heard a pattern that he wasn't familiar with so he called a person and he said that you know you've said this poem and where do you get this word from and the guy said yeah this is an authentic I pretty good he's it authentic he said what I'm gonna show you authentic he said you've got he said you go and bring me a classical poem with this word or this pattern in the this scale of this word and if you don't do

that then a real Samba he said he said put that I'm gonna show you I'm gonna show you authentic so he said I'll I will I will execute you this not him showing you is it doesn't mean anything else people make no mistake it's the gallows okay it's it's game over so so that guy spent a whole year he travelled and went to the deserts and found some Nomad arabs and asked them for poems with that scale and this and then

eventually it was like a year later he found that lucky found a word in Arabic a poem with a word that had that scale and he was so glad it was so glad and he was heading back to but that and then he heard the news that had judge had died and he said I don't I said I don't know which one makes me more happier the fact that I finally found this word or the fact that Haddad has died a judge one of those tyrants of Islam you see that

people they didn't they said this is why they had this very smick steamed ocean not mixed emotion they just hated him this one there's no mixed emotion about Haddad they just hated him it was as simple as that and and it said about him that once he was drowning and some guy saved him obviously the guy didn't know like he saw somebody drowning he jumped in and saved him and everybody cursed that guy like you good for nothing you know for God's sake the guy's drowning let him

drown it's like why have you got to be so mr. humanitarian and save the guy for God's sake but yeah so Amani all right get back get bad that the same person who raised an army to save a Muslim woman from the enemy I'm not so sure he did had judge although he was kind of responsible they say that for dispatching the army or

kind of overseeing the army that went off to conquer sin which is Mohamed even a passing we went off in India basically so Mohamed they're gonna pass him was sent during his time and he kind of I think oversaw some the dispatch of the army although he wasn't with them but later on he called back Mohammed been passed him and killed him that was his trophy for having conquered India or that part of India which is modern-day probably part of modern-day Pakistan and this is within a century of the Prophet so Mohammed Dignitas and

girls they and they conquer and this is the first time Muslims fought against elephants they had no idea how to handle elephants I mean they saw elephants charging that they like too late it's got its trample them that's all this was the first time they came in contact with elephants they like what the hell I mean not not the first time they came in contact with but as a military tactic like people using riding elephants and charging at you this is like they were

like what movie have we just come into is this cousin hold it they may have you got no shame for God's sake it's one thing you you want us to fight you but for God's sake how are we supposed to fight an elephant you taking the mick mate if you take so so anyway they he fought but then Muslims strategically they in the catapult you know and the catapult was never used in India before

so it was like what the hell is that and so they eventually they took over Mohammed Ben asked him and he ruled and then he was called back and then he was killed had judged I believe was kind of responsible they said that he they accused Muhammad bin Qasim of having an affair with Sita the Queen Sita ji Sita sure what is it Josie Taniya Rama Joe what is it Radha an empire shaman so with Sita the queen of that region they

claim that he he he got a bit naughty naughty with Sita geez but in all honesty come on that's nonsense they wouldn't kill a governor just for having an affair that's come on we've got to be dumber than dumb to buy that one like they really care like the governor's really care that oh he had an affair oh my god there was obviously politics power all these kind of stuff yeah so yeah the the the King forgotten in the King's name but his wife's name was Sita

and Sita Sita Sita Gita twins the twin twins that's just a wrong sorry I'm adding from my imagination but that's an old Bollywood movie Seeta aur Geeta it wasn't a Muhammad bin Qasim fantasy it was just Sita with him so my Chara got killed for no reason you see politics had judging me Yousuf this is this is the this is the problem you know the problem so anyway and they say that this a hadith that the Prophet said that

there will be two people from beneath atif from the tribe of the thief that one will be a liar an impostor and the other a tyrant and they say the tyrant was obviously had judge and the imposter was most Arisaka fee who claimed to be a the messiah and then receive revelation and things like that anyway right so what have we got two people let's move on to this this review so those of you that watched right was this somebody sending me a question

oh right okay right so those of you that have watched Islam unboxed it's a debate between Daniel half-naked Jew and Imam tawheed II so now and it's being hosted by Armin Navabi right now who is an ex-muslim he's an atheist and then you've got Daniel hath a good Jew who is

a Harvard graduate but an interesting person who has some of the most bizarre Islamic views right so you have him but then you have on the other side amantha he D who is no less of a character so this debate now I done a summary of part one before they had part one on YouTube and then they've just recently released part two now in part one it was quite evident that Danny sorry that Iman toe he seems to have the clear upper hand and Daniel have taketh

you seems to be really making unfortunately a fool out of his farm and our people that he represents by conceding to things like yes we believe the Quran was part of the Quran was eaten by a goat speak for yourself mate we who's we yes we believe that part of the Quran was eaten by a goat it's like no we don't write so making these kind of concessions was obviously it's it's it's a blow against you know

mainstream Islam and Sunni Islam so yeah so I mean he was accepting this he was accepting the Satanic Verses he was support one was quite a tragedy actually in part two now part two begins for about the first half now it's very lengthy it's about two hours so the first half an hour forty minutes or whatever it's a bit it's very petty amantha he is I think just disgraceful he seems to go on and really overdo it with this whole extremism thing somebody

said listening live from Brisbane all right along with Harlan right now this this whole thing about extremism he seems to really overdo it he says to what he says to Daniel have to go through that oh you you believe in American or hot Bob and these people as great people these are the Fathers of Isis and these are terrorists and you believe in terrorists and then he just kept on going on about this so oh my god would somebody just change the goddamn record it's like and then he's going on

about oh you know Harley didn't over lead wrote the Aloha know he was a terrorist he was extremist he was like this and just goes on about him and Daniel Hawking a Jew says that well he's named his son Harley and and and then the amount oh he says also you named your son after terrorists and this just goes on and they just start arguing and and I think amantha Healey was buying out of order in that part especially the first segment of that of that pot to probably which goes on for about half an

hour maybe stretching into 40 minutes he really overdoes he acts like a child throwing a tantrum he starts interrupting going oh no but I'm sorry I mean Navabi stops him on a few occasions says look you have to stop doing this he says that you have to stop doing this let him speak let Daniel speak and he said no but he's he if praising a terrorist is praising a terrorist Harlequin will leave he raped the woman he raped a woman because he took her and you know she never waited ADA which which is basically like a menstrual cycle after she was with him she never

waited that and it's called an it done oh my god and it's transmitted in thuggery and you know and he's just banging on and this it was a polling right appalling first of all I think it's ridiculous to be calling people like a monolith or the aloha worker or these people the fathers of Isis it is utterly unacceptable that is not look you can disagree with their actions you can disagree you can disagree I mean she obviously don't accept these symbols as they symbols I accept that that's the you know it's their understanding nobody

can force anybody to believe something but this oh they're the fathers voices you're having a laugh mate they look by no standard are they the fathers of Isis by no standard okay now just because oh you're gonna say that Omar was harsh in certain things but if you're saying harsh as in heast he was very kind of like by-the-book in everything and very strict that doesn't make somebody oh a terrorist just because they strict I mean that this is a stupid logic and this thing of Holly Holly did Noah lead

oh he took he took a kind of slave girl or something and she didn't have that either but the same story is narrated about Ali rhodiola Han and the interesting thing is that because Imam talk he's from the Shia background but that story they will justify your say oh no it never happened and people may have made this up about Holly which may be true they may have made it up against Ali because I leave obviously people had issues with ali radiya lon but do you not think they had issues with Khalid bin Walid do you not think people would make things up there do you what about the rivalry that occurred between other companions and Holly been relieved because of who he was as a

commander now I just think these things are petty there was a point where Imam tohehe says to you know Daniel hatha Kazuo that I've got this rewire and tow body I have this narration in Tom body and Daniel hockadoo says yeah but these are Shia narrations and though he says she are in EE wait wait wait show me made me one she I named me watch it and that's just because Daniel had you did not know right but there are so many Shia that amantha bri relies on amongst them of a myth knife is a major from the hula to

Shia a very right-wing Shiite narrator that transmits most of the narrations that support the Shia kind of narrative within somebody are through a moment enough and this others as well but my point is there are many to the extent that many people have said nobody himself was a Shia I've actually got a book oh it's over there right now I can't really submit Liston otherwise I'll just pick it up and show you it's written by imam the Anne Lamott Amana Ahmadi from the Indian subcontinent the the great scholar who Muhammad Iqbal the philosopher and poet and scholar of

Pakistan who he had asked Alam at the man named Adi the same scholar to write about the why there was no second coming of Jesus this is the same scholar that he is got a few books but one of the books he's got as well is on Amanda body and in Missouri and he highlights how there is arguably there is a good amount of substantial evidence to demonstrate and it can be argued I'm not saying it can't be argued but there is a substantial amount of evidence to demonstrate that both doubly and before him Imams over he were actually she are

now people it can be challenged I mean people don't have to you know it's not blindly accept that but there is a certain amount of evidence to to demonstrate that so this is not I'm not saying this against the Shia in any way I'm just saying that that makes since then if somebody was obvious and understanding that they would have certain fees but my point here is man thought easy designs on and to be fair he is critical to some extent of Shia Islam as well it's not like he's Pro pro Shia although he criticizes I think home a knee but I'm not sure if he criticizes the whole of Xie xiè Islam but he is

critical of Khomeini I know that right now right okay so the whole thing is that look just to clarify here right now so this whole thing that amount of he kept going on about for the first half an hour just really it got to the point that I was almost gonna switch off and it really made Daniel happy a Jew looks so good because he he just looked good without trying because now right because now at this stage everything the other toe he's

saying just sounds so bizarre and he's saying you like a kid like he's hitting the table and oh no no no no no and throwing a tantrum and and Daniel had people do he's just very calm at this stage and then Daniel haqiqa Jim makes a point about violence and I'd like to highlight this point first because there's quite a few points I'd like to go through in this debate and as a review he makes a point about violence and he says that look we today as a society do not denounce violence he says unless you're a pacifist he says that look that the police have the right to

enforce the law so Islam has the right to enforce now I want to highlight that I think although Daniel havoc a Jew is on to something here like a time I think there was some truth there's like half-truths and there is some truth to what he's saying that yes we do believe in the potential to exercise force for a greater good we do believe in that as most people they believe in the potential they don't believe in just

going around exercising force but they believe in the potential to exercise force if necessary for the greater good so for example you know preventing robberies the police catching people the law being implemented all of these things I understand that however that is on its it's a poor analogy to use that in saying that is about we believe you can force certain people or you can force a certain portion of Islam onto people that is a false analogy okay so

you have to look what's right is right what's wrong is wrong okay so just to clarify that now this there's something they begin they they go into the age of Ayesha debate and this is really sad to see there is a part which and I will there is a separate clip I have seen it on social media as well now there's a part where amount oh he D just outright asks Daniel hardly got you that are you

saying it is justified to have sex with a nine year old and Daniel Ithaca Jews says yes I could not believe what I was hearing and seeing that what on earth are you saying this is I mean this is crazy this is absolutely crazy and at this point of the debate from about half about forty minutes into it Imam tohehe all of a sudden starts to appear good again because he seems to be defending what part of what is just common sense now it's not that amount

all he di I disagree with a lot of these things and I disagree but the problem here is Daniel haqiqa Jewish taking such a ridiculous stance that it's naturally making the other person be the person that everybody can relate to so Daniel haqiqa Jewish saying things like oh yeah I mean you got to understand that childhood is a modern phenomenon and and this just some nonsensical bizarre kind of things childhood is a you know anthropologists say that childhood in you know today this is just something we've come up

with and blah blah blah and you know in the past people they never did this and they were like mini adults and stuff like this and this is just crazy this is dumb - the worst degree and what's absolutely appalling is that you know in the name of blind lead to your sect and to the Salafi Michelle or whoever your group is you are prepared to throw the honor of the Prophet under the bus I am so disappointed so disappointed in that

that I think it's disgusting to see people will easily betray the Prophet just to save face with the group it's so here this this part of the debate where they discuss this momento he D was spot on amantha he D said that look I don't believe and it's not this isn't just about him other people have said I've got a detailed video about the age of Aisha and to be fair Imam Tahiti does say to Armand that look there are Sunni Muslims as well who say that I sure was not 9 or 6 or these kind of ages

arming who's the X Muslim host he says that no he's not aware of that but he is told by though he D that no they actually do exist but he doesn't name any but there are many and especially in recent times we've looked into this issue and said that this is utterly unacceptable so I do urge people if you have a curious on this watch my detailed video watch other people's videos

it is impermissible right under any circumstance these things and the fact that you're saying look some people in the past now people have to understand something I've explained this in much detail in the past that look people previously did marry young we accept this but they didn't marry that young now you people seem to be making a huge jump now yes in the past girls got married from anything like 15 down to about 12 in between that age they did used to marry kilts off in the past in that that kind of age they did not used

to marry off six year olds right generally speaking they didn't that was not the norm that was not what used to happen okay so people are getting this clearly wrong okay and and girls definitely did not develop much faster back then if anything they did they probably developed faster today if anything because of the nutrition the genetically modified food so if you look at the anthropological studies and you will see the key things that they see for the adulthood onset of a kill physiologically there's three things one is the internal kind of hormonal which I

suppose you can't see the other is the manake the onset of the menstrual cycle for the girl and the other that'll are key the onset of breasts for a girl now they will show that these things don't develop till about the age of 12 at least and that's anthropologically and they show that in the past it may have been even later in some peakers of malnutrition and today in some states these are like in America with a lot of genetically modified food they may be at ten and a half eleven like that so these studies are available and people can check them so now this thing of in the

hadith nada I've mentioned that look people have made mistakes and body is by no mean more Hardy has several mistakes in it please watch my video Buhari gate to demonstrate that Sahil Bihari is not so sorry it is a good book it is a great attempt to preserve something but it is very human it is human all too human okay and it has many mistakes in the many mistakes right there's many discrepancies these contradictions these absurdities there's nonsense there's a lot but overall it's good because when you're

looking at almost 8000 hadith right if a few hundred of them are you know off wacko crazy absurd ridiculous that still makes the overall proportion still okay and good but but you've got to be real about it okay so do watch my somebody had mentioned what about the age of Fatima or of the allahu anhum getting married too early I do not believe those narrations there are multiple narrations there's some narrations that she was 18 19 that is most likely the reliable authentic narration the other narrations

as some people have said about whether she was 10 or not I don't personally accept that right so like I'm saying the Arabs were not a people that kept dates okay so you have to be very careful in building rulings and concrete facts based on very weak narrations okay so that's something incredibly important what do I think of the problematic hadith please watch my body gate video it's on YouTube I go into great detail be the next they go into a discussion in this about Western intervention now this

is an important part they speak about there's a point where all mean asks what do you think Islam has to offer or walk in the modern day and age and what should the world do and so Daniel say he's Daniel haqiqa do that the West should stop butting in they should stop intervening in the Muslim world and to some extent that's a that's you know that's a plausible P I think that's fine Eman Tahiti makes a point you know intervention is of certain kind

intervention obviously they could be good intervention there could be counterterrorism efforts there could be other things he mentions which i think is common sense and you know that makes sense there was a point where Daniel have taken two mentions about spies now we know that the CIA and these kind of intelligence 'ya organizations do get up to a lot of nonsense but in all honesty I have to say that look when you're watching this debate one of the things that these people don't do is they don't highlight a parallel like what are they what are they supposing what are they proposing what are they like because he

speaks about having spies the truth is would he date Muslim dynasties not also have spies of course they did all dynasties have spies all that this inteligencia is is a necessary part of any effective state or effective Empire they need to have intelligence here out there gathering information for them so they know what to do that's just the nature of politics and Empire and rule now I understand this harm with that but that's just an eighth you know it's it's it's a fact I guess I mean it happens I'm not saying it's a

great thing but the way he's he was bringing this out as though this is just a modern issue as though in the past Muslims wouldn't have this then that's not true Muslims did have this this an interesting point where Daniel is asked what are the problems with modernity and he comes out with he says the problems with modernity or the destruction of kinship bonds the loss of meaning institutionalization now this thing of the loss of kinship bonds now this fair enough I mean it's it's true that there

is a loss of a decline in family values in the modern world but the question is that and he says that there's a loss of me now you see he is then associating this he goes on to say well he gives an example of institutionalization 'he's that a child is born in a hospital which is an institution it goes home and then the child is later on put into education which is an institution then he goes on into college an institution which he goes on into work which is an institution and all of these kind of

things right now he Daniel then goes on to say fascism is an exclusive product of modernity this is a an absurd kind of it's an absurd argument ok because when you're saying fascism what is it that you're talking about like you're talking about imposition like Authority imposing things the truth is that all regimes in the past empires have been notorious

they have been like D like how do you whether you're going to take the ottomans you're gonna take the Abbasids you can take the Umayyads you're gonna take all the the Mamluks the fart amides the the au beads the sell jokes whoever you gonna take Muslim history has been full equally of tyranny it's not like there was never it was never a Bollywood rosy kind of everybody singing songs there was huge tyranny and you see you have to understand something in the past people we have to understand something

in the past most of civilization human beings did not live in cities ok the vast majority of human beings right throughout most of human history have just been like I mean especially since agriculture have just been like farmers ok they've just lived on farms they've done agriculture I think the statistics show was it like up to maybe eighty percent if not more did not live in cities ok or their versions of cities in town so people just lived like they like

let's say they were farmers their fathers were farmers their fathers fathers were farmers everybody that they've known as far back as they've known were just farmers now they didn't have aspirations people never really like you know people say today or what would you like to be when you grow up what would you like to do this what would you like those people would never have even had these kind of ideas that what would you want to be when you grow up because they've not known ambition the never was ambition they were never entitled to

rights you know people say all today you know that the government's are doing this and Daniel hockey could you mentioned something about look all the police can today use force to you know to do it so you mentioned something about you can have a which is a ridiculous example you mentioned later on about you can have a parking ticket and and the police can decide to kill you which I thought okay bloody bizarre analogy but he said like so uses this analogy but the point is that you see now that would obviously be wrong right

or even if they don't kill you let's say the police beat you up over a parking ticket that would be wrong but this concept of they should be justice is a modern kind of phenomenon in the past when these soldiers went through villages they just did what they pleased now people obviously felt wrong but there was nobody to go to there was I mean what do you do there is nothing they just felt okay you just there is nothing you know soldiers did as they pleased they just went through there was no policing system okay and so this whole thing and this there was an

example that Daniel haqiqa do said about the destruction of kinship bonds he said modernity is set on destroying kinship bombs now I don't know if modernity set on that although I do accept that as we move towards and individualized society people do move away from family values and that is a shame and I do agree with that being ashamed however you're having a laugh if you think kinship bond somehow were the epitome of

justice they never were yes family values in and of themselves are great and are something that Islam encourages and we all encourage Muslims definitely encouraged however and you just have to look at our history this whole the whole dynasties were based on kinship they will be so bunny Omega the Umayyad dynasty gave preference to Arabs and that to Koresh this is a known fact they look down on any of the non-arabs and they considered them morally they

considered them like servants slaves now they did not used to look they did not used to offer them any kind of real respect I mean I'm not saying they you know they they may not I'm not saying they used to attack them they didn't used to necessarily attack them because they weren't in an insecure position to do that they were in a position of power in a position of power people are secure they don't need to attack people who are inferior to them but they never used to give them any positions of opportunity they never used to have somebody Omega the non-arabs even the great Allah man in the time of money who may have no

real position they not given any kind of real due respect because Bernie Omega considered them first of all that who are these you know in fact one of the famous Kay leaves when he asked one of the scholars he said mentioned he said tell me he said who's a great imam today in the prisons at Davos and he said Oh him no no because he's a son of a slave he's an honor he said mention somebody else and the person said like Saeed didn't obey another slave mentioned somebody else and every Hasan al-basri says ah says

somebody else and he keeps going through all the people until eventually he mentions an Arab scholar and the scholar says to him I mean the Caliph says to him that you know he says I was getting beginning to get fed up now if you mentioned another non Arab to me he said I was gonna I was gonna give you a good beating that this was the state of so you know this thing of saying well because Daniel haqiqa Jew makes a point that there was no supremacists in Muslim history that Nazis neo-nazis white supremacy is a modern phenomenon which neo-nazism in that sense is a modern

phenomenon we accept that but supremacism that people feeling super superior to others and therefore putting others down based on race or based is an old way it's a it's this is an ancient you know unfortunate custom of many human beings including Muslims so this is nonsense you know either Daniel haqiqa Jew hasn't studied much of Islamic history or he's that's just an absolute black right because many of these and he said that today one of the

things that modernity does is it kind of destroys kingships and sorry kinship and if we don't have this it naturally leads to a sense of tyranny and it leads to but look in the past look at even non-muslim look at the Mongols they're based on kinship look at any dynasty in the past was based on kinship they weren't just because they based on family somehow they were full of justice this is just an absurd kind of response really and there was an interesting point that the Ottomans they had this that they had this thing of whenever

they came in to rule the solar on would kill off all the brothers and they had some of the humbly olomana give a fatwa that it's halal in Islam to kill your brothers once you become the salt because it prevents a greater fitna and they use the verses of the Quran al Fatima to a shed terminal hutton the fitna is worse than murder so they use that to justify the fratricide of the sultan is to the throne so this is the kind of nonsense - and the extent to which certain people went under kinship

Muslims in the past using Islam and religion to distort and justify murder so I think look there's good and bad in all society using this scenario of saying yes it is true that family values have declined today but to associate the fact that kinship bonds if there were kinship once somehow we would be living in ajust utopia is bizarre now right there was an interesting point where Daniel hockadoo mentions that he says I saw a tweet that said is do I have no purpose in life is my only purpose to work 9:00 to 5:00 and pay bills

now I thought look okay that's you know it's an interesting point but the question was that look in the past he said people in the past weren't like that because people in the past had religion but here this there's a few points to understand yes having meaning in life is incredibly important but it is true there's a few factors factor one that in the past people never thought so much like this because they never had the opportunity to think with ambition thinking with ambition as a general phenomenon is a modern event it's not

actually pre-modern so yes in the past people did think with ambition if they happen to be from the aristocrats not your common peasants and your common people didn't think like hey what ambitions and what is the meaning of life and stuff like they didn't think like that generally I'm sure they may have pondered time to time but it wasn't they just got on with it that's what they did right so I think that this thing of like he says that look in the past the other thing is having meaning in life is important but let's just take an example of like oh let's

take an example of like Hinduism with Dharma okay now having Dharma is to have a purpose in life to know your role in life for example you are of a particular caste you just serve people you just do this you are off the priestly caste that is your purpose in life you are like this you are but yet we would disagree with that you see because Dharma the Hindu religion is a religion still they still have God and many of them and they have purpose in life like they have some kind of meanings but it's not that we would agree with it just because they've got it

so this argument that all modernity has led people to question life in being meaningless right because and this is the great tragedy of modernity whereas in pre-modern era you know human beings didn't have this problem that you know to some extent may be true because when you have more luxury you tend to question things that is true and today in life generally more people have luxuries and they have historically and they have more free time and more leisure time but that said you wouldn't agree with the things in the past anyway just because somebody had a purpose are

going to Hinduism would still be redundant according to you and there are many people today who find purpose in other than religion you have to accept that I mean there's many countries in the world deemed the happiest countries in the world or in terms of well-being and they don't follow religion you know so these things I think are some and then Daniel haqiqa Jew went on about past dictators again and ethnic empires weren't fascist and he says that ethnic empires were not fascist because there was no nation-state and there was no technological advancement to impose now

once again that's a bizarre statement because of course they were fascist empires were were ridiculous tyrants I mean that's that that's what they were that's what they you know represented just tyranny there is this right moving on there was this point about they discussed this verse they get into a debate and I think this is worth mentioning they get into a debate on has Islam come to serve mankind was it just come to serve Muslims and God and though he says look I thought he di disagree with a lot of

how he says things and what he says and and he does highlight that look Oh Islam hasn't come here to serve God he's come here to serve humanity once again it's posh that is partially true although I don't like the way he put it together but Daniel Hawking a Jew then quotes the Quran or mahalik toll or ma khalaqtu l-jinna wa l-'insa illa li alba don't accept that they worship me now this verse they both agree that yes these first things it exists but this verse though he says is for the whole of

mankind so islam has come for the whole of mankind i would like to say that this verse I've explained this before does not mean does not mean that Allah has only created humans to worship Him in fact if not Barr said this verse meant it loudly Ya Allah moon except that they know me that they come to know God and I explained another understanding of this verse and that was the one that I personally go by and that is that what Michael acknowledged in New Orleans right I have not created them except that as a consequence they worship that

you see like the fact that I created them they consequently worship like they worship me because of that not that I worship them except to do that okay so that's right so that's something worth definitely you know making a note of this whole thing all Daniel happy kazoo then mentions about the Quran he says that look he says you don't believe I'm not sure what though he these beliefs although he didn't make some comment about he doesn't believe the Quran is perfect I'm not sure fully

exactly what he means obviously I disagree with what he's saying as in he says it's not complete or something like this but they don't expand on it too much now Daniel Hawking a Jew says we believe the Quran to be preserved because of its senate now I want to explain something here we do believe the Quran to be preserved but not this Senate you know this Senate that people say we have the Quran because we have a chain of transmission this is just like a bonus this chain of transmission is hadith science imposed on the Quran this is not

how we know the Quran to be preserved we know the Quran to be preserved because people taught it on mass from father to child they taught the Quran it was part of the living tradition and that is how we've received the Quran not through this chain because this chain that they're speaking of is very isolated it's only a few people in it and it's and many of the people in this chain are actually weak so this is a very hadith II approach to the Quran which is absurd because the Quran came before the documentation of Hadi so that's another mistake obviously so there's this whole

thing they get to a point where they start speaking about apostates and this part was terribly embarrassing because I mean Navabi who is an ex-muslim asks Daniel Harkavy Jew do you believe that I deserve to be killed as an ex-muslim so Daniel Hatake Jews says yes I do which is like what the hell does happen me right so they just they just so this is so crazy and then he obviously drops in that no

but in an Islamic state which I don't know what the hell that means in an lemme state but anyway army and says okay fine let's say there is an Islamic state and he says yeah but you'll be arrested first and he says okay let's say I'm arrested he says yeah but they'll give you an offer to clarify and Armen says okay let's say I openly accept I say no I am an atheist he says now they'll give you an opportunity to repent and he says let's say I say I don't want to repent I just don't believe in Islam anymore he says yes then you you know they would be capital punishment because some ideas are

dangerous and this is one of the most bizarre and ridiculous statements first of all there is nothing in the Koran to mention such a ruling in fact if anything the Quran seems to speak and preach the opposite about lattaker ar-15 there is no coercion regarding the religion that you know it gives muncha of a young man man sheriff iliac for whosoever wills let them believe whosoever wills let him disbelieve a fantastic rihanna's Hetalia Kundalini will you force people until they bring faith you know Lester Helene Beamer cited you are not somebody to force and impose upon people these are all verses

of the Quran the Quran if anything teaches the opposite now the single had the hadith that they have in bodies a week ADIZ transmitted by a comma who was a hole from the huar age and there's many people who've called a kromagg cath lab okay Imam Malik was amongst people that rejected him amongst many others so Simon will say you Bible even and and a few others now the point is that look okay the hadith a discussion aside what is it that this dangerous idea what is this dangerous idea he said oh because some ideas do you agree have the right to be condemned and they say yes and he says

like let's say Nazism like neo-nazis would you believe that you have the right to condemn that's a dangerous idea or denying the Holocaust now denying the Holocaust or denying let's say or being let's say racist or hate speech is not the same for God's sake as people saying I no longer believe in something the these are worlds apart like and he says Oh anybody who denies let's say the Holocaust a Holocaust in in Germany will be sentenced to and I

don't know where they get this from he says can be sentenced to death it's like what law books are you reading can be sentenced to death what the hell are you what are you smoking for God's sake right I mean even if these things they do carry sentences in certain places nothing like that though they're not like death sentences he said oh they can

be sentenced to death it's like that was pure BS right there so he says Daniel Hawking of Jews says that oh so if you can control speech today if you believe it's okay to control let's say hate speech or right-wing racist speech then this is the same thing as saying if somebody said I no longer believe in Islam because that's a dangerous idea therefore you have the right to kill him

it's like it's like what are you on for God's sake seriously what do you grow your own stuff or do you bite from sir it's like I genuinely don't understand how you work that logic how does that even work than oh because let's just pause there for a moment people let's say this is a dangerous idea let's just say the question is what is the idea

that is dangerous so in hate speech I can give you an example let's say in racism we're saying Oh a particular race white supremacists like is saying are saying that all the Aryan race is above other people they subhuman you can treat them like crap you can do this you can do that okay now this is hate speech he incites people to discriminate it does things like that okay fine so we would condemn that but we would condemn that everywhere now tell me what is it that we are condemning here disbelief in Islam if this belief now this is the question

if this belief in Islam is to be condemned and to be fought against with violence as Daniel hawk Akkad Jew is preaching then by that why is then by that logic we ought to be fighting against all Kafar we ought to be condemning all disbelievers for disbelieving in Islam and he ought to be following the hadith that the Prophet said I've been sent to fight anybody who does not sailor in a hail Allah and in

fact if you have time watch my war wager hadith paradox on YouTube to demonstrate why these people with hadith dogmatism and that have this kind of form of autism when it comes to hadith studies these people why they get stuck on this hadith because that hadith they claim is motivated yet none of them accept it but they ought to if following their logic because here if the dangerous idea is coup form then if the dangerous ideas you disagree with my ideas you should be if the dangerous idea is Kufa is this

belief then all people who possess so let's say the dangerous idea is racism then all people who are promoting racism ought to be reprimanded or taken to task I agree I agree by that logic you should agree all people who are promoting any form of Ko far ought to be taken to task and now you we'll hear saying no that's no no I'm not saying you should fight and force all people or execute all non-muslims because the question we will by your logic you're saying kouf our disbelief

is such a dangerous idea you ought to be executed which is so dumb and here are min Navabi and it's it's you know it makes this is the problem you see when you have people like Daniel haqiqa Jew representing Islam it just makes every other person on the platform seem so good so here I mean Navabi all of a sudden seems like a really you know like oh wow he's got some really decent points but his points are just common sense his points were I agree we should condemn bad ideas but we should fight ideas with ideas with good ideas do you think so rather than just killing the person for

God's sake that's hardly a solution like I know let's oh he's got a bad idea let's kill him well there you go well he can't seem to argue his idea if he doesn't have a head sit him at the table but we'll just you know say well mmm you know I'd like to see you argue that without a head man do you still disbelieve so these are so this is the ridiculous nature because if you follow

this argument through it does not stand that who are the first of all wherever this idea is found which is amongst the non-believers of this world who are the majority of the inhabitants of this globe right then are you saying that they all carry ideas that we should execute them offer which is atrocious and if you say no then you've contradicted yourself and then if you say well that's because they never really embraced Islam then the question is well what about born Muslims at what stage did they actually embrace Islam because they were born into it so they

never really embraced they were just brought up on something so what age do they decide to choose so my point is it is absurd to push these teachings and it's so disappointing to watch so when I saw that it Daniel Hawking a Jew I just thought to myself for God's sake and you know what was hilarious was though he D tries to make a intelligent point which he you know it's one of those things that you know when people are talking and somebody just say something and everybody just stops in

this girl's so he makes a point like he's you know because really he doesn't even have to be doing so well because Daniel hockey could do he's doing so terrible that anybody you just have to you know you could put a mute next to him who can't speak and he'd still be like wow he's so eloquently outdone him because he's just doing such a terrible job amount of he says oh so you believe in chopping off the hand of the thief

and and he says yes I believe in chopping off the hand of the thief and he said oh so oh oh he says so if if you chop the hand of the thief how does he pray I was like I think I just missed the point what did tonight Missy what did cuz I'm thinking what's what's the great point that he's gonna make because he says no no no he said let me say this let me say

this let me say this he says if you do believe in chopping the hand of the thief yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I've got him I've got him he says yeah and he says well okay well if you chop the hand of the thief tell me how is he gonna pray well like this he's got like it's good because I'll just hold this hand from here oh no oh no I'm losing balance how am I gonna break I thought for God's sake are you

for real I thought I'd chacha-chacha-chacha-chow me and Jusuf me and you sir you know that the older when the guy comes to a scholar wall dressed up as an imam and the more he sits up and lamas having a llama sobs come on llama sob he says ma hsiao slices and the person sits down with this all and they say he says mashallah master um you know respected what is your is making our me what is your respectful name and and he

says me intrusive not you sir me and you sir so the scholar kind of goes ah he says it's okay let's its me I'd rousseff meaning well I doubt he's gonna be a scholar if you can't even read the arabic name Yusef so the point is that this is it masha'allah saga so eager that I even thought so what's though he D Castel he was so confident you know the confidence that's the

confidence you want in life that confidence and the confidence some people from India have when they send messages to random women all right so these confidence in life that's the confidence you want so he's like no no no oh I've got him I've got him so yeah yeah chop the hand yeah chop the hand so okay so how is he gonna pray housing you think like what and he goes well he's just gonna pray he goes no because you need to put both hands on the floor when you're praying you need

to do such that with both hands you think well Oh genius he hasn't gonna hang no but you need to both that's the kind of confidence people we need in life but yes overall it was an ok debate a bit parts of it were irritating parts of it were embarrassing for Muslims Daniel had Pikachu with his somewhat hatred for modernity I don't understand that

honestly they seem to hate the modern world for some reason I think look the modern world isn't perfect by any standard it's not a utopia but we do today live in we enjoy relatively as a globe as a people as humanity we enjoy more peace than human beings have ever had historically and we're today as collectively as human beings as adults as children as the sick as the elderly as the disabled as the differently sexually oriented as the employees as employers as whatever who as animals that exist amongst us not us as animals

but as animals that exist amongst us as plants trees the environment everything today collectively enjoys more rights as a collective body than ever throughout human history now that is that is an achievement and that is an achievement to mankind the children of Adam and I and I think that that's something to celebrate although it's not perfect by any measure but I believe nothing has been perfect so but he seems to have this hatred and then there was the really embarrassing part of the age of Aisha I really you know if there's one thing I could erase from Muslim memory

if I had the capacity to erase something it would be this nonsense that they keep going on about the age of Aisha embarrassing all of the Muslims and somebody like a Harvard graduate to openly say yes I believe it is justified to have sex with a kid is so so shocking so shocking these kind of stars really concerning and bitten and the problem is that they believe it's religious and this is the problem so anyway and then this whole thing of saying that well an Armin Navabi made a point where he said that oh the Western modernity is worth

for an end to slavery and I'd like to say that that's all it's all nonsense because let's not forget Western modernity or America especially and part of Europe were notorious in their enslavement and the treatment of slaves and the way that they their phase of slavery has been probably amongst the worst through her human history I mean they would have beat the slavery of the pharaohs and everybody in terms of tyranny in terms of abuse in terms of things like this and they were Muslim scholars as far back as the 17th century right Muslim scholars when slavery was

thriving Muslim scholars in places like Mali and these places were maliki that had passed the fatwa that is Haram to own slaves right that because they had said that this is unacceptable the trajectory had changed and this is way before the emancipation the general emancipation of slaves and things like this so I disagree that Muslims had not risen to that they had risen to that as well I'm not saying all Muslims but they was an awakening as well amongst Muslims so III disagree to accept that oh it's just solely you know only some people came up with it that's not true and the

fatwas are preserved so there was this and and then there was this apostasy side which was ridiculous but then to top it off mashallah we had the genius of imam tohe the make up for it with his with the missing hand he that made the whole debate worthwhile people that gem of wisdom at the end right so cool so that this was called islam unbox part 2 guys with that is 1230 alright let's write let's call it a night as always people it's been awesome right

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