False Hadith: Fate of Non-Muslim Children | Mufti Abu Layth

questions I mean one of the topics that I've mentioned how about we begin with this about the hadith I think that would be quite interesting right okay so people there are two hadith which we'll be taking a look at let's give an overview of this topic this topic from a broader perspective looks at two children and pass away may Allah make any if that wherever that happens may Allah make it easy upon

their families I mean and grant them ease and and replace their sorrows with joy but wherever children pass away or what is the theological standpoint the stance towards this like do people feel that all children are always they attain salvation or are some children doomed because their parents were non-muslims what is the thought about this now this so this is the the greater question now just to and then there's a hadith in which some people come and ask the

Prophet about about their mother who would bury certain children alive certain girls alive and she buried one of their sisters alive and the Prophet allegedly says that not only is that woman the culprit doomed but so is the child now this then triggers a kind of unleashes a whole not just a can of worms of Pandora's Box people because what on earth is going on here does this mean that children are doomed and any

children innocent so what is this one about so first of all let's what is the ruling to this so let's get that clear and then we're going to zoom in to this discussion and look at this hadith so just to be very clear children are always deemed innocent from a religious theological standpoint I don't care what any certain scholars have said for example just to I'll come to that in a moment but children are always deemed innocent okay from an Islamic viewpoint they will always have salvation it does not matter whether

they were Muslim whether they were kaffir non-muslim whether they were whatever from mushrik parents or whatever there is always that innocence okay this is reinforced on several occasions from the Quranic standpoint you will see many verses of the Quran that will address things like that for example the verse Kalama when Allah speaks of damnation what coulomb are only a fee half aldrin say Allah has an asylum husana to hodda

that every time a group was doomed they were asked Adam yeah takuna the-- were you not sent somebody to warn you all bala they said indeed jaren anethe you that a Warner came to us that this this it was a necessary prerequisite for any kind of judgment okay this many verses like that a lotta 0y0 to misra ultra that no soul will carry the sin of another or the burden

of another and then Allah mentions about like children who were buried alive as an example since we're speaking about children well they'll know that also a--let's that when the the girl that was buried alive will be asked baa the main content with what crime was she murdered the Quranic discourse is very clear to people who read it Allah says what manner and we will not take a people to task unless they had had a messenger so this

is in line with the whole and the whole holistic reading of the Quran okay so just to be very clear and verses coulomb alluding eula to a little feta i mean a hadith the southern teaching that all children are born upon a kind of natural constant they have this this kind of homeostasis this this default setting to them if you like status which means that they are not upon any faith they are upon fit run some people translate this as every child is born a Muslim that's

not true but every child is born on the state of it on this natural disposition so they cannot be taken to task okay you would go against that that's the clear understanding as I'm presenting it there have been several scholars that have said this other scholars have disagreed I'm not denying that I know or take a look at it in a moment but I'm just being very clear from the get-go that this is what the ruling is people anything that other people say it is not gospel it is not the Quran and I will demonstrate that it is not even these

hadith do not stand any weight okay so just because some scholars said it does not make it so okay so just to be very clear about that right so okay right now let's zoom back in to this hadith right so there is a hadith that is transmitted in Abu Daoud it has two narrations in Abu Dawood and there is another similar hadith that supports this in the most environmentally wire there is from Ibrahim Abner

we've got Ibrahim a musai arrazi from yurievna busy either from his father's a korean ibiza either from a mere ashabi the famous Carla Carla rasul allah salallahu alayhi wasalam so he's transmitting direct obviously now he never met the profit however abu dawood then follows that up with a chain from yeah here I'm nervous Acharya sorry yeah yeah even as a Korean Ibiza either so the same person from the earlier chain who says that his father's arkadyevna bees are either tells him that Abu is how Casa bie tells him that

our Mira shall be told him that he was told by Altima from who was told by Edna Masood from the Prophet that Allah either the woman who buried alive a child one more Oda and the child that was buried alive Finn now that both are in the fire now both are tuned now this hadith is not sorry okay and I will go into that in just a moment but let's take a look at the other narration which is in the muslim ahmed it is also

transmitted not inside elbow hottie but body brings it in his book of narrators in his diary he brings it today just to support something but it's not in his sorry it's in the muslim vehement and that is why is transmitted from muhammad nabi rd from dilutive nabi hint from sha be once again from al comma from selma tecna's eat now selma Tamia's eat says i went with my brother now in some narrations we here is where this name was place he says i work with my brother and we approach the prophet and

we said inner amana Malaika so the mother on my Selma as some people have said but her name is Malaika she they tell the Prophet that she used to be a good woman that she would you know she would make sure that she you know thought visited relatives and did this and did charitable acts and did these kind of things what is her outcome and the Prophet says that she's doomed and apparently this was it was they knew who they were talking about so this woman that she had buried her child

alive so they then mentioned that oh she had buried our sister alive in Jogja yeah so what about what about the sister so for example they asked and apparently in this hadith the same thing and were either two or more water to thin out that both of them are in the fire Allah and to trickle were either al-islam unless the the culprit reaches an age of Islam and also an age but reaches Islam and embraces Islam and then maybe God will forgive her now this hadith is not

sorry either now I'm going to come back to to that one let's go to the first one before I mention how this four hadith is weak just to remember that look people whenever we see a hadith the principal the three golden rules the golden principles it cannot clash with the Quran okay it cannot go against reason and he cannot approve an Islamic principle so let's just take a reason first of all it's utterly unreasonable

how can you punish a an innocent child he's blameless okay it goes against reason clearly you know man I love you by Anil ma all the first principle second let me Holly filmin Kula cannot go against the Quran or the the inherited tradition the Quran well it Elmo who'da to su'ilat bi ayyi thanbin qutilat when the buried alive girl is asked with what crime was she killed this the Quran is clearly demonstrating

the innocence of the child right and all the other verses as well we some of which we've cited already the principle in Islam which falls under is this hub will hell as an or bara at a loss leader a person is always innocent and they cannot be liable until either proven guilty Oh a child is has Bharata lost Lea until they reach puberty or they become of age okay so that's an Islamic principle now it clashes with all three utterly

unacceptable but now let's take a look at the chain in this now yeah yep no busy either first of all he is somebody who passes away 182 he jury who transmits the first abu dawood narration and he's one of the first people to actually author in hadith in Kufa now a lot of people say he's very trustworthy and things like this and but Abu Surratt Rossi says something interesting about him he says he was a great person very reliable however if he did he says he hardly made a mistake all of calamity but for either after if he did make a

mistake at Avalon vine he made catastrophic mistakes if he did make an error it was a cataclysmic one so that's something to remember the next transmitter one of the ones the next one we're going to look at is a Korean Ibiza now first of all people are just okay about him like a Bihar team says his Legion al-hadith he would he would purposely kind of blacks her and change drop people do Therese I was in mind

says he's ok Suellen it's just about our services he was you'd only Succoth Iran he would blog a lot especially when transmitting from shabby and who does this come from shabby ok shabby himself although he's a great turbo somebody who passes away in 103 he jury however there's so many narrations he would do but he'd never heard from the people he would transmit from many Sahaba like he transmits from even mustard or summative nah say that I li my Avenger Berlin say disturb it and

all of these companions display having seen them he never actually heard from them or even OMA he transmits from these people but he never actually ever saw them and in that chain the missing person a severe I've always had a severe he is somebody who's well known to do to at least therapy also mentions that at a later age he's memory messed up even Roger mentions that he had dementia it's a little bit Harada he's he caught dementia at a later age in life so this

is the chain but such a narration and such as such audacity is based on on something as weak as a spider's web people and let's take a look at the other chain the other chain first of all Mohammed Nabi Rd whoever had him in the maze and says allow your that to be you can't even use him as an evidence then who's transmitting from da who did not be hint who Bihari by the way avoided altogether and who mozzie says we used to mix things up massively Kanaka Thiel

if there are wall Hillier al-ahram the student of Ahmed in the humble says Kanaka fear Allah terrible healer and if the Hajer says at a later age you would make mistake can again right now okay what are some more interesting things about this hadith first of all ignores Eve the great Mahad it says this hadith is dyay we cannot accept it people not exactly he also what's also interesting is a working or bizarre in his battle Sahar mentions this hadith has a hadith learn Alamo I had enjoy Buddha who in Lebanon is aida it's only in Ibiza either he

claims who only you know said this basically kind of winged this this hadith but that's a claim from bizarre Pateros I if no one was here has an interesting discussion on this he claims that not only is this chain utterly unacceptable for the people in it he brings to our attention a fascinating point here people ignore Josie had mentioned while commenting on this hadith that even Assad in the thought highlights that these two brothers Salma Tamia's Eve and his brother face had actually apna sodden estaba khat brings that they had renounced Islam they

weren't Muslim they had apostate from Islam now and this when they came to the Prophet they were most likely apostates this thing that even when Josie says maybe they returned to Islam we don't know everyone was Eve says you can't just make a claim they became Muslim unless you have clear evidence that they became Muslim but we do know from Ignace odds transmission that they had left Islam they are apostate it which is a fascinating discussion in and of itself because it shows the Prophet did not cool to their execution right so that's

an interesting discussion to show that that kind of angle nevertheless coming back to this discussion it clearly shows that look at what this chain is based on so allegedly the two people are apostates who don't as Ignis add highlights they don't actually they're not even Muslim people who'd not only it's not that they weren't Muslim but they'd rejected Islam after having embraced it from them you've got the likes of da would it not be hint who is rejected by many people his weekend I mentioned here that he used to mess

things up he was kathira if there are Buhari avoided him then you've got Mohammed even Abbiati who also I will hurt him says now you have to be okay in his me son so this is what this is resting on another spider's web it's a cobweb there's nothing to it it has no solid ground on which it's based and hence April was Eve the great Mahad did says that looked like lieth would the hadith in and on he says I sought every chain in an attempt to maybe see can this hadith stand up and every chain I looked at collapsed that was the word of

wording of ignore Wazir so these hadith people are utterly unacceptable okay now what about this ruling of the children of the mushrikeen children of disbelievers now there's a bunch of opinions that the scholars have come up with even the Hodja brings up to about 10 opinions even opium brings about 8 in his account the point is that look scholars have come up with all kinds of stuff yes some of them have said oh what it is is God will test them on the day of judgment so

they have this is like what even it's a me and people end up and I think it doesn't but this this is that understanding that Oh God will test them you've got that understanding you've got some people saying God would already know what they would have so they are in the the kind of pre-exists pre-eternal knowledge of God so God knows the hypothetically had they grown up they would have been good or bad and according to that hypothetical a would have been judged that's an opinion one opinion some scholars came up with oh they will be the people of the a broth

that they will forever remain in a limbo state in this kind of limbo state and then God will sorry just determine what to do with them some people said God will just decide arbitrarily on the day if he mushy Attila it's up to God some people said they will be in heaven serving people in paradise they will be the servants in heaven all of these opinions they may be based on certain interpretations okay I'm not saying they're not based on some interpretations people they and some people said they will be in hell and I think even even hasn't may have kind of inclined to that saying because they

will be with their fathers with their with their with their own parents and and then there were scholars who said they will just be in paradise and oh they will have salvation just categorically and unconditionally and that is people the simple answer all this these kind of nine other opinions that you thought it's just it's people just using their brain on overtime it seriously it's nonsensical but people have said it I'm not gonna deny you know people have said those kind of opinions you're gonna have people some people

just did to walk off one of the opinions was or we don't know it's up to God and people I have to live normal borrowed a magic me say madam is Selma is how could not raha way all these kind of people were like that even if not the board kind of went that way yet when Imam Ahmed even humble was asked that what about the children of the mushrikeen he said ha ha telephone fili ad he said there is no disagreement amongst anyone that they are fill gentleness they are in paradise that they have salvation and that is the clear understanding people

you will have some people like I said who said they will be doomed and they were mainly the azaria from the Hawara they were a group of that extreme sect I spoke about earlier on when I was asked about the ruling of only the laws of God you know that strict adherence that you can't make up any laws unless they clearly stated in the Quran etcetera that group the huar age they had a bunch of them were known as the azaria they had this thing that children it doesn't matter if they from the Kafar they are doomed and some humble ease because some humble ease were also very kind of that harsh kind of persona and personality to

them went that way buddy mom I met himself was very clear that this they have salvation people like even at a mia they went to this thing that God would test them in the afterlife to me that makes no sense because in the afterlife is not an abode to be tested and then that's not fair why not retest the people I don't know they will say well God doesn't have to be fair but to me that does not then make any sense in the Deen is a theme of sense it is a theme of reason okay so I hope that makes some sense I want you to wrap that up that

look these two hadith the one in Abu Dawood and the one in Muslim Ahmed of Allah eatable know that of it not or nonsensical they are false hadith they rest on just utterly weak they just rest on rubble there is no foundations simply cobwebs were in the oven abusing the law elevator and kaboom you see the cobwebs are the weakest of foundations people and when you look at the Quran and Sunna and the authentic hadith and you look or the Sunnah that is transmitted the

Islamic principles of innocence of no liability until a certain age it's very clear that children are always of salvation cool that wraps of that discussion of so let's take some questions now let's take some