Isra And Mi’raj | Meetup With Rational Faith | Mufti Abu Layth

so what I'm saying is because I've been looking at different religions I've been reading a lot of sort of Apocrypha and that sort of thing but there are a lot of elements in the Mirage which do seem to be fabricated so if I'll go through a few of them uh let me know what you think so in the Quran the idea of seven Heavens uh it'll seem to be more of a natural thing so God says you know can you not see you know how the heavens have been created and the prophet is told to look at what's in the heavens and the Earth but the idea of traveling through in the Quran yeah says what in the Quran about the seven Heavens is more natural uh if you see

what I mean it's not Cosmic it's natural it's like a natural um sort of observable thing would you agree with that seven Heavens seven Heavens seven Heavens are observable yeah so it's more natural like do you not so when you're saying it's natural not Cosmic what what do you mean the cosmos Cosmos is natural though It's Supernatural the heavens are Supernatural who said the heavens are Supernatural no I'm saying they're not in the Quran yeah but okay yeah of course yeah in the Hadith Mirage they do seem to be quite Supernatural though if you see

what I mean so you have Moses on the sixth Heaven that's not the yeah but that's not the Quran yeah yeah so yeah yeah so what I'm saying is the way that the sort of description of the uh sort of seventh heaven just to be clear to people who don't understand Arabic here you see when you're saying Heavens because this is an English fallacy here it means Heaven yeah it doesn't mean this doesn't mean Paradise heaven so Paradise Heaven is samawat means the cosmos like the the skies so they call that in English the old English they still call it the heavens above as in the skies above so

that's what you mean the seven yeah when people say seven Heavens they mean like seven Skies yeah Arabic that's what it actually translates as but yeah yeah and just so I have this correct in the Hadith by The Mirage there's a prophet not travel through the seventh heaven heavens is that someone walk that he travels through yeah yeah it's someone what yeah yes yes so what's my point so in the Quran the summer what is not described as Supernatural but in the Hadith it seems to be taken more of a Jewish uh and Christian idea of Heavens where you can actually travel between them and this idea that you can travel between uh the seven Heavens this is also found in

other Apocrypha so the Ascension of Isaiah and The Apocalypse of cerebral you'll find the same thing where let's say let's say let's say uh let's say this is a part of the vision because that's what the Quran seems to suggest that the the Israel and the Maharaja was a vision I don't necessarily think it does I don't think it that doesn't matter if you're talking about 1760s

yeah but I think that's referring to at least this what year is it talking about and this is in suratul Israel by the way yeah so I think it says we did not make the yeah except the fitna for people so what what are we talking about then I think it's Vision means Vision yeah yeah so what Vision what is suratul Israel talking about I think it's talking uh about the vision to conquer mukkah

takes place before the prophet even praised yeah so this so no Salah has begun this is in the very early stage of Makkah isn't it so where is this Vision to conquer Makkah whilst in the makkan period yeah there's no Muslims do not even fight in self-defense yeah so it says 1760 that we did not make this Vision that we showed you uh a chapter of the trial for the people but vision isn't defined uh and so we don't so okay but what is that so what what is the verse is talking about before that which one are you talking about the

start Seventeen one whole yeah what is this whole Surah talking about I okay so if we look at 17 one where it talks about the versus Talking look so it's the verses So when you say look but it hasn't mentioned a vision okay so it says we have not made we have not made the vision except a fitna okay fine except a trial now so you say so you said but but Allah hasn't clarified what the vision is okay so what is he what is Allah talking about in this Surah okay so I believe in Makkah the prophet will show on a vision that in the future but what is he talking about in this Surah because that's what I'm saying it doesn't say that in the so you

see now that that's just a total random like there's no evidence at all there's no no evidence to support that theory that this is just there's some Vision about conquering Makkah yeah but the only two visions about the prophet mentioned in the Quran uh is 1760 and 48 27. what is okay but what is this whole Surah talking about the one that mentions the vision what is this Surah talking about so I believe when it starts what's the name of the Surah yes I believe I think the SRA under Mirage are two separate uh I think the Mirage is obviously the sort of um Supernatural Journey Vision or whatever but I believe the Israel in the

subhanallah and this sort of wording is also used for Loot and uh Musa when they're told to escape by night as well so I believe that's when the prophet uh escaped from uh so if I sort of ignore the sort of traditionalism and the sort of stuff to you I don't just look at the Quran and we look at how this word has also been used with other prophets it would seem like 17-1 the word is just an Arabic word there's no need to say well how is it used probably the words Arabic like if I said you went rational went and I say well this person went I said what the word went was used in the Bible

no it's just an Arabic word yeah he's just talking about night travel he's talking about traveling that's fine it doesn't matter who it's used with the word is just a verb in Arabic which just means news about six times it's used what I'm saying is eating is a verb so if I say in Arabic it's right now if you say well Aquila was used with the prophet Moses say okay but it's a normal verb I mean anybody can eat it doesn't you know so there's no significance of saying this herb was used with profits verb is just an action so okay but so what does it mean then what does it mean

okay so so when it's used now what I'm saying is when it's to use it other profits as a cerebri it means of travel by night and they usually escaping from persecution needs to travel yeah so what I'm saying is 17 1. uh is the prophet escaping from persecution what what Escape are you talking about whether when the sort of the mukins were sort of pursuing the profit and persecution Yeah well yeah

uh Jonathan Medina there's been a few different opinions on where it is uh some people what is it no but you're saying if it's the Hijra then the prophet but remember when the prophet goes to Medina days now Masjid in Medina the prophet is going to make the mask yeah so I don't believe in Medina uh well I believe it's a location okay it's a location so it's Medina yeah no not Medina I know it's seen as unreliable uh but he did say that emotional Russia was in jayron a place I think near Mecca

somewhere yeah okay but okay I mean where are you going with all of these okay so what I'm saying is what's the point like you're just saying okay you're changing a lot of fine there's nothing I've got no you know every person's entitled to their own okay so my central point is that the entire yeah uh the way it talks about Mirage it takes a lot from other stories so this makes me question how true it can be in Islam because it just seems like the most I told you I've got people but I told you that look going right back to ATI Shadow and then

going back to the companions themselves who said that this was a vision this is also what the verse says it uses the word Vision now you can say you can't say I accept that very early Muslims did say that and some later Muslims did say that however with time the other views seem to have gained more public popularity right so and and that view became a dominant view the other view that it was done in uh in physical detail with all these other let's say

with a lot more detail now okay fine so that's a view so you're saying look I don't agree with this view that's a problem because you're fine I mean well many people disagreed with that view no but it does no it's not the fact that whether it's a vision or literal represents a problem is the fact that there's so many details which are taken from other stories how is it right so okay now okay so I I still don't get it because let's say it's because if you're going with this is a vision what is the the difficulty that so you have or it could

be function in that way so for example you have so there's obviously it's a very long narrative and there's lots of different Hadith about Evolution I'll just give you some examples uh so it talks about uh you know the Baroque the flying course look at the Flying course for Arc it means lightning in Arabic Pegasus that's also a flying horse that means lightning uh to be fair the Hadith never says it's a horse why is it it never says it says it's an organism s with wings so it says it flew and it says the only

thing the Hadith says it was a size of lower than a horse and higher than a mule or something now because it uses that reference people assume it's a horse because it's giving the I'm just going if you want to stick to the wording and the wording doesn't say it's a horse but that's your assumption because it's like me saying if you ask me uh you know like let's just say you said well how how tall is the XYZ now we don't know what the XYZ is and I said well you know it's uh it's it's it's it's taller than let's or let's say size and I say well it's bigger than a Samsung but it's not as big as the

whatever the iPad something now you're assuming it's a tablet or a phone but that's because the reference in my estimation are these things but to be fair I never said it's a tablet I could be speaking about I don't know I could be speaking about something totally different I could be speaking about some other apparatus that's not a tablet or nothing necessarily like that but I'm just referring to sizes it could be I'm just being playing the same game like if we're defining the rules and you're going with wording then you have to be strict yeah and then there's the sort of profits in punishments in hell is that

whether that's authentic or not I mean so look because I think sure and then that the the punishments seen there they're sort of exactly the same in The Apocalypse of Peter so women hanging there's one sort of mention where women sung in by like the breast Uh Russian Apocalypse of Peter as well there's someone getting a tongue cut that's an Apocalypse of Peter and so you do have these sort of similarities um you see but wouldn't you say these are the the kind of um psychosocial narratives which would

have been in the minds of people these are very specific punishment yeah but what but but going back to that day and age right because today these are very abnormal to even think of so you wouldn't so for example today if you're thinking about people having tongues cut out there's something morbidly wrong with you because nobody people today in this part of the world don't think about these things but let's say now you go back to the past where people were punishing people like this where they were catching people and doing stuff

like this to them then it would have been part of the the general populist psyche it would have been part of oh when a person does this this is what happens to a traitor this is what happens to somebody who is a you know commits treason this is what happens to somebody who says something to a King this is what happened you know like they would flee uh was it flavor yeah but you know when they they skin them alive so they call it flying yeah but they would do that to people so this would be in the psyche of people whereas obviously in this day and age it wouldn't be because people wouldn't think like that

but today you might think about prison that it's yeah but do you not think if something is written so 400 years in the in the past and then something else is written so the hypothesis of Peter comes hundreds of years before then the Hadith and these exact details are mentioned you know I mean I'm not I'm not so first of all you've got to separate you've got a lot of moving Parts here okay so first of so what you're saying is like there's certain things you're saying look this A B C D E okay fine these are discussions and you're saying therefore you know ergo

said and and that's just it doesn't follow so for example if the claim is that look The Mirage in Islam has to be a fabricated event right uh so this is your conclusion yeah so the the Muslims have so I don't know what you mean by fabricated as in that could either mean that let's say the people around the prophet invented it by copying it or whatever or maybe later Muslims invented it so I don't know one of the other let's say now this is what you're arguing so the question is well okay why do you feel that this Israel thing is so

out of you know cannot be accepted within it's not that it's a this is not a major belief thing in Islam but let's say because it's mentioned in the Quran so you're saying well okay what's the issue and say well the issue is that there's these little details which one can't be real I said well okay but what about if it was a vision he said well okay well if it's a vision it could be real I mean it could be in the vision okay but still no I was not arguing it was literal to begin with I was I accepted that I used to create a vision okay but yeah why why so you're saying well why do they share

commonalities with other religious treaties uh on topics like backbiting and stuff like this so well first of all there would be a shared Psyche on on these kind of incidents so people so for example cutting the hand of the thief it would be something that a society back then and pre-islam would have already been doing it I'm sure they would either enslave a thief or they would hang a thief or they would cut his limbs off this isn't something this is how they thought so if you said look the Quran says cut the hand of thee Oh but I

also saw in a Mesopotamian text they said cut the hand of the thief see but I know because that's that's how the societies were thinking about right but what do you think are the chances that 400 years prior Jesus was shown heaven and hell he saw the same punishments uh he's Prophet Jesus yeah The Apocalypse of Peter is when Jesus Jesus is shown Heaven and Hell and he sees these punishments and so 400 years later you have the prophet being shown the exact same punishments okay it seems very suspicious do you not think right so so first of all that now see this is what I'm saying you see you've got to zoom in zoom out so the problem

is that you're taking one thing and I don't know what the issue is the issue is the detail this is what you're saying I take it that the issue is the detail but the detail is in what what one or two hadiths which sure like if you're asking me that could some of the detail be subject to uh people's interpolation into the Hadith so good when people are describing stuff well we've got several I've got several videos discussing that look most of Hadith when it's documented is a reliable manner it's rewired with meaning so most people when they're writing Hadith but none of

that is in the Quran I don't get why yeah so what I'm saying is this is the beginning what would be your view on it so I didn't want to sort of attack us like a straw man essentially because when I'm questioning this narrative I'm doing it yeah but you're just questioning like so what what I understood is you're questioning some description in a Hadith that could this description have like let's say they said some people said that the prophet said this is it possible that maybe the prophet didn't say some of that and they thought he said some of that or it's been attributed to him some of it let's say it's possible of course every sahih

Hadith does not mean it is concrete it just means that the authentic the people in the chain have been vouched for by certain Scholars of Hadith that's what it means it doesn't mean that this is as sound as the Quran it does not mean that nobody no muslim should ever make that claim right but I think you took away all the details yeah and you like even meeting the prophets of us in uh other Apocrypha like the Ascension of Isaiah and they've been Prophet but I don't understand because these are commonalities shared by an era so why would you expect something different I don't understand why you see like you're

saying so for example you meet uh uh you meet a very um sacred entities but that's all part of a vision of course you're going to meet sacred entities that is part of a sacred Vision like or a sacred um this sacred trip that this Israel this experience this sacred experience is to meet sacred entities so if you say oh but your meat is a great but he also in his experience met sacred entity a bit of a coincidence if you ask me so well no but that's the nature that's what defines a sacred experience that you write entities so you say well but

such a such person 500 years ago also my sacred well duh that's the whole point of a sacred experience to meet sacred entities so I don't get what that's not a coincidence that's what defines the experience that's like saying oh you had a car accident Ah that's funny because this person claimed he had a car accident two years ago oh it was with another vehicle that's rather coincidental because this person claims it was with another vehicle but that's the very nature of car accidents oh you were on the road this person claims he was on the road oh that was Daylight

very definition of a sacred experience is that it's going to have sacred entity so now you take an experience that is to do with let's say um damnation and also the beatic uh you know also to do with Grace so you take Grace and Damnation so now you're going to speak about Bliss and you'll speak about damnation now things can only be expressed in words and the problem with sacred experiences is they are ineffable by definition so the company they words can never be a representation of the experience so you should not I'm sure you know that so now any words that you're putting them into

are only simply a framework of reference an approximation for the people you're speaking to I mean you just take you just take psychedelic trips as an example I mean this is not a psychedelic group but you just take that as a very contemporary example I mean you look into all the studies looking through all the you know the John Hopkins study that was done at Harvard and all of these other studies that were done afterwards now the whole thing about uh these experiences and these are not even you know they can be felt as religious but that's something totally different but even here you see the whole thing about them is you can't they're ineffable you can't ex you can't put them into you can't

describe them in words so what you do is you find an approximation as a frame of reference now sure you're going to give and even the frame of reference does not necessarily fit that because it's an experience like if I ask you now let me ask you you come back now and here you are I ask you explain to me the taste of an apple just explain it to me so let's say you have to explain it to me right now you say whatever sentence is you can say it

it tastes like sugar uh not that sweet not sweet of sugar sugar is quite sweet what you said sweet so I'm just thinking something sweet yeah explain it okay uh the texture is quite sort of crunchy um okay like let's say Kellogg's cornflakes uh not that crunchy uh there's more sort of um liquid in it if you see what I mean it's quite difficult to describe milk a test liquid like milk no it's quite sort of it's not dry like corn for it because I conflict and I quite like milk uh not that wet

I I haven't understood anything so I don't actually don't know so exactly telling you to describe the color blue no so this is my point in trying to explain to you see since you're trying to research these things you need to understand them that you can't you see the whole thing you should read William James on these experiences since if you're going to get into this then get into it properly like read the literature on it don't just like this is I feel like this is perhaps because I can't explain like if you're saying look I want to speak about visions and that too vision's beating visions and visions

of Grace and visions of damnation so now okay so fine have you what have you read on that literature on what have you have you read any anthropological studies on Visions have you read any how because it's obviously by saying look well I've read one and I've read another one and there's some similarities but have you read what defines Visions what gives because once you start reading up on it you're going to then understand but you're not thinking about why it's very nature does not so now I asked you to Define an apple now that the taste of an apple now

you you now obviously no blame to you but you did a horrendous terrible job now let's say if human civilization needed to rely on your statement uh of trying to conjure together the experience of an apple it would be light years away from the true understanding of an Apple so now but you didn't have a need to explain the experience of an apple but let's say there was a religiosity involved we we're imparting that knowledge held significance because in your experience of an apple there's no significance to me apart from me just putting you on the spot because I know you can't do it but also but

let's say there was a religious significance to you explaining this Vision so now you have to fret it into words now words by their very nature are limited and then narratives are limited and then psychosocial narratives are even more limited so now okay so you have to explain things then you have to explain an experience by you know you've got synesthesia you're trying to match an experience to words where words don't exist due to ineffability so now I you see just as you struggle to match any word to the experience of an apple because of that's that synesthesia whereas you know if I so for example

certain people on psychedelics they experience synesthesia they can actually like you said describe let's say the color blue they can actually so colors may have sounds all of a sudden or uh maybe tastes have words for them all of a sudden or they have shapes or this is called synesthesia and psychology so people experience that on Psych on in fact one argument is language as a consequence of synesthesia but that's another discussion but do you not have to accept the validity of their Visions by saying that they're similar yeah so this this can't you see so so basically this conversations is going to

Nowhere right so look what I would uh what I would suggest is look it's fine to have academic theories but just read up so there's more juice to the theory because if you're just going to say this is your theory that look they had a vision and 500 years ago in the Epistles of let's say whether it's going to be John no in your case Peter that you you've got the you've got certain also visions of damnation and Greece and they share a commonality and the commonality is more than just

specific link between both of them in a very specific order that's what I just said they sure yeah no but I think I feel like you're perhaps maybe just saying that both Visions yeah you'd expect that so now the details it's more than a coincidence like the Antichrist when you have too many similarities you have to accept that okay maybe there's been a lot of important no but I'm saying it's like about so when you read about it in Christian literature and then you see in Islam it can't really be a coincidence that the prophet just happened to see a vision of a Christian made up so you have to sort of assume

Yeah question the head of the Antichrist so what I'm saying is when you have sort of similarities between two narratives and the similarities are too big you can't I don't know what you're talking about right so okay so look the um right so okay so the Antichrist is mentioned in the Bible in John 1st and John second the real description of the Antichrist does not really appear in Christian literature till irenaeus okay so you're talking about third Century he's the first person to speak about really to bring about some kind of

conscious some understanding of the Antichrist uh this what has this got to do with this okay so what I'm saying is okay so now there is no Antichrist in the Bible unless I know this yeah uh and then the actual descriptions about the sub I and everything that comes from the Apocrypha of John so I'm saying is this if you read it no it is no Apocrypha of John is in the Bible isn't it yeah this is reading so no the fact that it says that the Antichrist will have one eye yeah I've actually in the Apocrypha of genres the apocrypher in the Bible right it was okay right okay okay so

what I'm saying is this okay so I'm saying is this when you read all these descriptions the the eye the forehead writing and so on and then you read it in the in the Hadith let me just finish this point and then you read it I won't I won't let you listen listen because you have to listen look nobody's saying these things right you you yourself are saying them and you're refuting yourself

look listen many Muslims have not ex have not believed this is not a part of Iman where does it say that this is a part of Iman it's never mentioned in the Quran this is yes I accept I'm not talking about I'm not my question it may be a popular view I'm not saying that not in the Quran I'm not not in the you know so it's not mentioned in so what what is so what you're doing is saying look oh my God the Antichrist is mentioned he has mentioned oh the way Islam is wrong like I don't understand no I don't say Islam is wrong no that's not my appointment is your own thing and you're just refuting yourself what I'm saying is when you

have details that are too similar you can't just brush it off as yeah this is apocalyptic Vision are you just arguing with yourself that's your argument this is what you've seen Visions but then you wouldn't do the same about anything else so you wouldn't say yeah the description about the child I know it appears in Christian documents in the Quran says there's a vision of the Antichrist no I'm not saying that Mufti look this is my point there is no vision in the Quran about this now you said

I said okay now you is the concept of the Israel look is is this so difficult to understand that if you're speaking so let's say I said in in the olden times there was a characterization of a punishment for backbiting let's see so he said well somebody you know they may say well you cut their tongues out okay now to me that would seem very uh common that many people would would characterize it in that way especially in that day and age now if you say well oh but it said that in the Buddhist

literature but but that I'm sure it's going to say in many places because in that day and age these things were characterized in those ways absolutely look the other discussion is look does every Hadith does Hadith constitute according to look the asharis it doesn't okay so I'm sure you know that anyway or if you don't know then that's another problem you know it's not does not constitute so look now you're saying another discussion is can Hadith wording be the the interpretation of the person saying

it as opposed to the prophet and I've already answered that yes most Scholars say most rewards they're actually the wording of the person saying it not the wording of the prophet so okay so that's actually most say that in most books so Okay so we've even got that out of the way so yes you the wording is the wording of the last person who said it now is it a chance that this interpolation is that of course there could be that there's no question but is this part of Akita no it isn't because

which is a majority probably at least 80 percent of this ummah you know you've got the Shia I guess separate and so look I I don't understand what's sure look if you don't accept them nobody's asking you to accept them but it's the fact that a lot of people that have read and like a lot of us Muslims and they say like these sub ideas because the thing is right I've got a lot of friends no this is emotions I've got a lot of friends that when they see these sort of things like you know the Quran it gets something wrong or this idea is stolen or this idea is you know

fabricate or whatever I feel like there needs to be a good response and I feel like this yeah so you thought this was the good response no I'm asking no that's why I wanted that's what I wanted to ask you I heard you responding so you should have started off with that you know you need to humble yourself sometimes we all need to Humble ourselves look start off by saying you could have said look this is the problem I feel some people criticize this uh what so this is the real problem that people say this and then you could have an answer and I would have answered straight away I would have said well first of all uh you could have said look some ex-muslims say that this may be and

you know this is the question that I don't know how would anybody I would have said well first of Allah do not constitute according to the majority of this ummah right so okay second point the words in the Hadith are they reliable Mana overwhelmingly probable because the majority of the scholars say most Hadith okay so you've got that out the way so it doesn't look it doesn't show do some people believe in it maybe people believe in it do other people not believe in maybe other people don't believe in it but it doesn't make a difference it's not part of Faith it's

not part of your Iman it's sure maybe it's like some people choose it as a detail but people believe in all kinds of things you know like Muslims some Muslims may have all kinds of you know they may add in cultural beliefs it doesn't matter it's not if somebody thinks Islam is false because of this you need to send that person to me okay and we'll have a conversation how they arrived at Islam is false because of a certain detail they see and what was this inside Muslim this but what whichever they find this rewind and they they're trying to say Islam is false

sure we'll have that discussion I'd love to have that discussion with them how they arrived at that conclusion yeah themselves saying that these things are critiqued so I mean it's not non-muslim all this what I gave you this thing of reliable this thing of a vision this thing of this this was all Muslims telling you this it wasn't non-muslims catching Muslims out it was Muslims telling other Muslims so it's this is all part of our tradition so sure you know somebody could say look I I think I don't believe in this detail probably nobody's asked them to believe in it it's not it's not a part core part of is

Iman it's not so if somebody believes in it somebody doesn't believe in it you know it's not so yeah I think sometimes we just have a you know like uh we've got a fire in the belly and we need to I think it's more of a factor you know I've seen this I've seen people you know sort of make this argument and I haven't really found a convincing response to it for us I think that's the issue that was your was your response convincing well I'm I'm almost making the argument

what your angle was you see and so obviously it took so long to come around and I didn't get what you're actually trying to like why are you like sure like because at most you're just saying look I don't accept these details I think somebody uh some of the interpreters that have put this in this may be their interpretation and you know maybe they're influenced by sure I mean there's several look there's several ahadis which are in sahih Muslim which many scholars will say that these are just from the israeliat they've come through this is nothing new you know this argument that you're saying israeliat basically means from uh judeo-christian scriptures the Christians were also

considered from the Israel yet so many many people like let's say ibna cathed and other people they include actually even like a theater doesn't use as many but many more Serene all these other people will include israeliad sometimes in their things and some turbine included you know you've got what's his name and you've got Kabul ahmar he put a lot of israeliat in you know you've got this so but Muslims criticize this others have accepted but it is so sure if you said to me look is it likely this could have come from the israeliat I'll tell you that look it's

it's tough It's a valid hypothesis I think sure you know some people may say yeah look like you take an example of like in sahi Muslim this was from Muslim yeah there's another Hadith Muslim uh that Allah created um the Earth on this day and he created this on this day and then he created you know there's a whole biblical account exactly mirror image of the biblical version so even the salafia even usaimin and that that's I believe from the prophet even he says on that and these are salafi's Hardline like you can imagine even he says look this is just from the israeliads even though he says it's from the prophet but it's not it's

just from the Israeli yeah so you've got somebody so hard line like even uh you know and and sorry he's actually quoting ibrahamia I believe so you've got even hardliners that will even accept uh you've got albani look out Hardline albani was but still he will say certain things no this is this Hadith is you know it's problematic even in the same so and that's the salafis what do you think of the non-selfies they're even more open to you know questioning and evaluating certain narrations so I'm there's no problem with that you know person can they can question they can

ask things and and things have trickled through in fact my whole look my whole buhari gate was about this about trying to create an awareness around this kind of stuff but yeah I hope that's helped man we've gone on for so long rational but it's been interesting uh I think I'll let you get some rest I'll wrap this up got a lot of people a few people waiting I'll greet them and we'll call this to an end it's been a pleasure yeah Bless you keep you smiling you know what you it was a bit tense but you brought a smile to our face I like it I like it we're Allah bless you okay