Can the hadith chain be valid and text invalid? | Mufti Abu Layth

can the muton be mon can the mutt be mon so basically what he's asking is uh can a Hadith come to us with a valid chain what what Scholars call valid and the text of it be ridiculous of of course many countless examples like uh but then you'll find problems in the chain as well but I take it what you

mean is that author has validated the chain like bukari so the fact that the prophet married a child is an absurd muton that's nonsense and there's many you can watch my bukari gate I go through many examples I'm sure all of those Hadith that I go through according to your standards presum are the son of is okay because bukari is rber stamping apparently or allegedly or whether it's bukari or more likely F maybe the students of fi and maybe the people who come after him God knows who

it is you know people have no idea it's just this project that they've all kind of um you see the issue is let me clarify this is um it's it's worth saying a few words on why were people not as critical of Hadith of documented Hadith during the early few centuries of Islam and the reason is that in early Islam there was a competition if you

like a rivalry to claim Orthodoxy who is who are the true orthodox Muslims so you have to remember for maybe two 300 years of Islam around between the two to 300 years definitely the Sal so the the people like Imam Malik IM Abu hanifah during their time there was no Creed so Imam Malik will never tell you what to believe I mean he might mention an odd Point like he might say oh we

don't believe what they believe but he doesn't have a list of beliefs neither does Abu hanifah neither the the S didn't have that so they don't have this Dogma um I mean some people may in that time be developing Dogma but they don't have it institutionalized there isn't a so they can't say well here is a book of what to believe about God they don't have that whereas they do have thousands and thousands of documents and um Proto books on how to practice Islam so Imam

Malik has from him a 100,000 issues documented fatawa but yet he'll never teach you how to believe so there's this kind of rivalry that who are the real representatives of the prophet and many people are competing in this so what happens is you start to get certain people who preoccupy themselves with Hadith studies this is the early so these are the first kind of major generations of

M they are the kind of Proto sunnis the early Sunni so to speak so what happens is they are earning themselves an identity by associating themselves withi so hence when was used in early Islam this is what it was referring to the Proto sunnis because the word Sunni hadn't emerged there was no word so so Imam Malik would never have said I'm a Sunni because the word aah didn't exist the way exists later on or it exists

today so today people will say oh are you sh are you from the Sunnah are you Sunni in that day and age this word sunah hadn't existed yet it hadn't come into it hadn't emerged so to them Sunnah meant the way but there wasn't this group called so how do you define them so they're all doing their own kind of way but what seems to Loosely appear is this affiliation with Hadith seems to reflect

Orthodoxy so this is really important in understanding why later so when the second wave of M appear this groups like bukari and sorry people like bukari Andi and Abu da and Ahmed and all these people are appearing on the scene and and dar and all the kind of this group from the 200 hij going into the early 300s this group of M they are you see because their

identity is so tied into Hadith the the existence of Hadith so for Hadith to exist supports validates their identity as Orthodox Muslims so they can't be as critical like they can be critical but they're not going to be overly critical of too many Hadith like they can be critical of The Craft like they can say well you know this rwi I disagree with this rwi narrator I disagree with that narrator but they

can't start just problematizing so many actual Hadith the way IM Malik a bit earlier on but even Imam Malik he criticizes them but not he doesn't always go about criticizing he'll criticize the odd one so they can't do it because it jeopardizes their own project they're too invested and that is always important to remember when you ask these questions like H you know why is the chain sah then why didn't they criticize the mutton because they're too invested they can't do it it's like today

let's say you've got sufis today the the kind of people who follow they know that this is actually a it is an in what they call sorry a it is an innovation in Islam it didn't exist in the time of the Prophet they're not stupid I mean maybe the odd one might be so deluded he doesn't know that but most of the scholars know that that this is an this is an innovation in Islam even if they believe it's a good Innovation but why won't they acknowledge that publicly the odd person

might acknowledge it but most of them will try to blend it as though it's some kind of a Sunnah even though they know that it's not a Sunnah they know that this is an innovation or going to shrines or having Graves as you know like these huge mums and having uh these you know Darbar and uh Dody pabs and all this stuff why don't they overly criticize them even though they know these things are not from Sunnah because they're invested in that same project you see now it's difficult being very

critical of that when you're a part of that greater scheme because then inadvertently you're kind of opening the door for people to criticize you so yeah so you must remember that I hope that makes some sense