Certain Uncertainty - How we look at things | Meaning with MALM #36

[Music] ah alright alright alright miss miller let me just bring up a comments feature so i can see uh yeah right so bismillah

in fact let's do an audio check before anything i'll be speaking to myself nothing new there [Laughter] you know in the words of i just utter in my nonsense this insanity you know may god will it that nobody understands me

and what's the what's the uh i suppose the the [Laughter] which i suppose has the opposite by uh the famous

what is it right so i see the sounds good bismillah alhamdulillah said um right are you missing a

ride am i even a phil now saying am i what's wrong why what's wrong huh well nothing is wrong hammed everything is um you know it's always i guess in many ways where it's meant to be allahu akbar and i think that's something let's taking a look at today's session which i thought aptly to to theme it

a certain uncertainty look at that sabar there's no suburb in these things that how we perceive things i want to take a look at some ayat [Music] and explain how certain and and they're actually um you know some they're a select ayat that once you become familiar with them they always

they always bring home immediate they have a certain rhythm and a certain um you'll see a dynamism to them so these ayats i want to look at were from verse 17 to 21 and i'll bring them up in a moment and the reason i want to take a look at them is one because they're just so amazing and you'll see why but it's about the story of musa alayhi salaam and just a short scene from the life of moses but but a

a significant turning point so okay we'll take a look at those verses but more importantly how certain verses of the quran continue to give so many dynamic meanings to people who come to the quran and they look at it it brings them something for their life and it can add value to their daily lives and and we'll take a look at certain interpretations depending on how you're looking at this verse and how this verse can mean so many things for different people so okay those few verses sorry so

that um then this topic of institutionalization and the birth of orthodoxy right um okay so this owes itself to i was having a uh patreon meetup and aide meet and greet with my patreon so much love to all of you guys um may allah always bless you you know may allah bless all of you guys out here but especially those you know they really go out of their way to extend their love and support so okay

and in that discussion we've really got into all of this about the birth of orthodoxy and institutionalization and and i thought that you know this is actually something really interesting and although i've spoken of this on and off on several occasions why not repeat it for you guys who didn't really um you know weren't privy to our patreon meetup so okay right so that's the theme of what we're looking at today and then obviously i'll bring you guys on for you know your amazing luminance lumina

luminous presence allah right so let's just see who's tuned in guys uh let's do the extend the love and we've got fahad you're doing it technically your name would mean the cheater of the entire universe i was not the cheater as in the cheetah cheetah the kind of you know cheetah like a leopard that kind of cheetah so of the entire universe so in one way you can think of it as the fastest

mammal on earth anyway one of the fastest creatures on earth is um so there you go lightning speed allah clear as always may allah bless you uh azarathi yeah always showing up uh keep your way smiling i mean right um what inspired you today you know i'll come to this actually let me just say some salaam i want to share some thoughts on something today um fresh

[Laughter] memoirs so let me i'll come back to a podcast another podcast a debate i was watching today and it was jordan peterson and it was susan blackmore and i'm gonna come back to this because it's just wow okay so people let's uh we've got um shamim yusuf alaikum assalam uh arabian princess all right

taking me to task for being late as always you know i say well you know well it's it's 10 p.m somewhere not that i was gonna start at 10 p.m it's early somewhere i guess this is in i mean it's all relative isn't it ultimately it's all relative um right so abdulbasit right

i like it i like it the maliki thing is something i've i must say i hold it there's certain things in life that they've served a joy for me i don't know when i say joy i don't even know it's diff it's ineffable almost to explain why um obviously there must be reasons but i think it's we just have a connection one of those things is definitely the medinan school or aka the maliki method it served an icon an inextricable emotional spiritual bond with me that

it's not that we can't apply rationality to it but i just don't feel it's the realm of rationality what i mean by that is you know i'll tell you who speaks about this i don't know if you guys come across the works of um uh antonio dimacio and if not you should check him out he's you know he's a lead kind of neuroscientist leading a neuroscientist in the world but he has this whole thing and he has uh his book as well that uh yeah what's his ah god he'll come to me his title it's

really in fact you know let me put it up um his his book is um let's see that's it descartes error descartes he's got more than one book but uh but descartes era it's really fascinating because you see antonio de marcio what he's highlighting is we and i'm coming to to to understand this more and more and really coming to accept it except isn't the word realize it

and that is that we are feeling creatures who think not the other way around we are not thinking creatures who feel this depth to that and profundity we although rationality we it's you know it's the it's the pride and joy of human accomplishment

unquestioned and rightly so you know we are with our alcohol what nothing can i mean we surpass everything because of our let's put it like that there's no it's not might you know i don't humans can't even take on a dog we can't arguably maybe some cats this is a shout out to my friend maj if he's listening he has absolute cat phobia i don't think he likes me mentioning it but so the it's only our occult so at times we

maybe in a very maybe in an enjoyable delusion because those of you i don't know if you guys have caught our book discussion of last month so the book we covered was don quixote's i mean it was don quixote miguel de cervantes novel on don quixote so check it out if you haven't and that's where you get the english term quixotic because quixotic is from or you know with an x obviously spanish so right but in there we had this discussion on delusions and our

delusions always bad and that's a fascinating talk check that out people if you haven't it's our book book lounge book of the month for last month this month's book on a side note is is this the courage to be disliked it's by i don't know ichiro kishimi i'm fumitake i tried to do a little japanese accent there but it's about how to free yourself change your life and achieve real happiness based on adlerian psychology and consciousness so really interesting so far i haven't really read much believe it or not i'm actually having

layla read aloud just to practice her reading such as having to read all these terms like adlerian psychology and you know all this kind of psychoanalysis and all this stuff anyway i digress so delusions we as humans we think that we are by default rational creatures by default and we are thinking creatures by default and i think there's some confusion when people take descartes

um kogito ergosum and it's translated as i think therefore i am but think here kogito isn't in that sense as in the english think because when we use think in the english sense we're thinking of it imaginatively like oh i think about things kogito there is the fundamental that the irreducible conscious awareness of cognition that's what he means that the fact that i

like if in my mind i doubt everything the fact that my mind is speaking i can't doubt that because to doubt is for it to act so that's descartes thing but anyway the point being that we think often we are thinking creatures but really and people like freud were obviously onto this that we are not as rational as we think we are and even though we are rational we are people of reason we are people of

understanding we are people of cognition and concepts and but by default we are creatures with emotions we are creatures with emotions and that emotional brain because you don't just think with your i mean you don't just feel with your brain there's an entire central nervous system coming down virtually connected to um not virtually actually connected to every point of your body ultimately speaking so we feel

all over our body so we feel in the gut and there's neurons in the gut we feel people feel in the lungs people feel when they feel terrified what what what is terrified it is the heart racing it is gasping for breath it is a it is a feeling in the body it's not a rational computation it's not like oh i'm calculating fear or even joy or even we feel excited the blood rushes we feel you see it's a physiological process interplay with the brain so it's not just the brain the brain if it was just

in a jar it couldn't really do these things it needs to play with the rest have an interplay with the rest of the body so we by default are creatures from an evolutionary standpoint and how allah has created us you see with feelings and if you think about it allah says

he created for you vision and hearing because with that the sensation and the experience what of either then cognition you see so and that's actually an interesting verse because but there's another verse that um

oh when you were born but you had a priori faculties like you could touch and as a kid and you obviously your sight is initially a bit blurred as a baby but you can still see and you can hear you see so and in fact that's the the primary fears that a baby has that we all have by default is the fear of sounds like you know like a big bang this is inherent in all of us regardless

it's not learned two fears that we generally just have without being taught as human babies can anybody guess what they are let's see i've given one away um let's see one of them is uh as i've said the fear of loud noises okay so that's a fear we have within our fitrah as in sun and yes you said it but not similarly the fear

of falling allah you know that's a beautiful metaphor in itself just think about that take a moment in our fitrah noise in sans never-ending quest to escape these this kind of unbearable noise and second the for the fall fear of falling huh

fall from grace you know something to think about in son's fault fear of falling so they tested babies and they've done many tests where they'll have an um they'll have a dip let's say in the ground but they'll have a glass sheet all over like a reinforced see-through sheet all over so you couldn't fall into the hole but the baby would come crawling when it reaches that point where there's let's say there's a drop the baby won't cross it it'll just stand there i mean it'll just sit sorry crawl or

whatever sit there because it has an inherent fear of falling so okay let's come back to what i was saying that we it's fascinating that we as human beings we think we are creatures of reason but we are actually creatures of feeling who happen who who have the ability to think that's important remember that because that will come very useful in life and in understanding so many things because when people think sometimes why can't people just act rationally because you're misunderstanding

their nature they will never not rational to begin with freud obviously understood that as did his nephew um what is it bernays bernays and he the father of propaganda but let's speaking keeping all this in mind let's move forward with today's um [Music]

look at this fear of falling in love what a height to fall from [Laughter] allah you know it will still get by even without you but it will surely be depressing and very unsettling

[Laughter] there's there's a few on that pattern you know that um we're i'm pretty sure is does mitaki meat have one or is it one it's one of the classics he says something like uh guzrito vojo there is no this i'll i'll come back to that right so i missed a uh first of alls much love gold globe and azerati allah bless you all

uh i see saracen much love for the super chat mufti you see jordan peterson video sending a message to muslims i did actually somebody sent that to me today um yeah that that's yeah sure i think it's uh you know it's really um [Music] jordan peterson is just an amazing individual i i have so much uh you know i'm so in awe of him because i just feel that i think people don't realize because it's happening in the motion what he's done for faith i think they don't realize it you know today check

this out people if you haven't watched a the die the debate it's a debate between jordan peterson and susan blackmore then you can youtube it and it'll come up it's i think it's about an hour just i think it's under an hour i watched it today wow that's all i'm gonna say just wow honestly you know susan dr susan blackmore she oh my god i i think a decade ago i went to her lecture

here in the uk give or take and so any you know it had the theme of the lec sorry i went to a conference she was one of the the you know the speakers there um the theme of the conference was um i forgot but it was basically that are we genetically wired to believe in god so naturally she is a militant staunch atheist of the

most bitter kind that you can find um and seeing i never forgot her after that was the first time i'd come across and then i came to realize oh okay she's really pop you know she's well known in the atheist community she has a book on consciousness she has all this i bought her book on consciousness and uh but it's you see she was so just in that lecture she was so just vitriolic and so man she had access to grind she just ah she was

really so vile towards religions and um and i get it look i kind of psychoanalyzed her whilst i was the many years ago whilst i was still doing my psychology at the conference so now she because she during the her lecture she had a whole slideshow and she brought up all these things and her photographs and she brought up stuff and she showed us and she talked us through a whole lecture of obviously why god is nonsense and bs and religions are full of you know and she very like just didn't hold back

like really went in in fact i remember one of the organizers of the conference was um and he was he was i mean i don't know him but he was a hindu he was an indian hindu so obviously i could see he was asian but i didn't know his hindu till afterwards when she was slating religions this is like a flashball memory i have of it i remember her going on to the whole hindu like she was saying nonsense and the river ganges and she went in like i mean taking no prisoners

she went in into the stench of crap and this and that and she accidentally put her hand into it or whatever and the stench of feces she couldn't take it off for days she went in like i'm telling you she was um and i remembered afterwards just as i was packing away and i could hear that guy in the court he was really upset and he was he was kind of having just saying just you know that he's saying right you know you shouldn't be this kind of offensive that's look i'm put that all aside i'm just describing what happened i'm not saying she doesn't have the right to be

um it's her views she can do as she likes and says she pleases the point is that she was very unbridled in her way now i do get it in her lecture she showed things of she used to be a christian she grew up a christian her relationship she has some disability by the way she mentioned it at the thing as well i think her one leg is shorter than the other leg or something but this is about a decade ago i'm trying to recall it now she mentioned something about look my my leg is like this and and and in a way i feel there was this i feel there was this kind of baggage of

spite against god she mentioned how her marriage collapsed how her relationships didn't work or at that point i don't know maybe she's got obviously new relationships now but uh her husband you know he kind of all broke down in a divorce and and i felt that there was this thing against god that you know if there's a god how can this happen to me which is you know obviously a a very powerful question but put that all aside this is my memory of her and i always had this thing and in between i'd seen a lecture or two of hers you know over the years on youtube and never been a fan i'd always been

because that memory the first encounter with her was always very like like i don't know i guess coming back to us being emotional entities who rationalize who think my emotional encounter with her wasn't pleasant although she wasn't this pleasant or discourteous towards me i was just one of the people in the audience but the the kind of takeaway that i had at a consciousness level wasn't pleasant so i ended up watching today oh and i think it's a few years old this debate between her and jordan peterson oh wow wow

you know she knew she was so mismatched it was he wiped the floor with her like 10x like he really took it to town god he was he's just so overqualified for that discussion with her and she it was like she clear you know when a person clearly knows that right okay

i just go quiet that's what it was just you know she it was a powerful debate on uh religion and i wish some of it could have carried on more and it was all about and it's fascinating how jordan peterson in the end brings her to this point because it's it's it's a discussion by the way it's a discussion debate the best kind they are you know a person can just talk to each other it's always what i'd said in the past when people had said look let's have debates and i'd said like let's have discussions the conversations we just talk and so now

there's a point where she speaks about how meditation helps her and she says well i'm gr grateful i wake up in the morning i have gratitude and then george in fact i think the the the moderator asks her he says is that to someone specific like and jordan peters asked that to who and says well i don't really have gratitude towards anyone or anything i just have gratitude and so jordan peterson says well gratitude by definition is is usually to something you're grateful to something so or someone it is expressed to someone

and so she says well i'm just grateful it's like to a nothingness and he says well then that you know inexplicable nothingness is your god and she says no well i'm just grateful to the universe. and he says well you know well there you have it then because how do you get around that one as human beings there is so much peace in being grateful allah has hidden this

now who you say well okay i'm not grateful to anyone like not to god okay maybe to people but obviously she gave the example of it was a beautiful morning so if it's a beautiful morning you're not gonna be grateful to your neighbor it's a beautiful morning so you're grateful to but she doesn't want to say god obviously so she says you know i'm just grateful to nature it's like well okay

exactly it's a force beyond you greater than you so yeah that was just wow so that was something today i thought i'd share that with you guys um uh susan blackmore yep uh yep somebody just typed it sure sue yep sorry somebody just asked what is that yes susan blackmore that's it sugar and scorpio much appreciated um yeah so cool let's uh

move on you know i saw some poems actually today i thought let's capture some and speak of perception so let's speaking look at this it all begins this people make this a bedrock of your life seriously a cornerstone what this you see it explains fear everything in essence it's uncertainty the unknown so you see if here you've got on what is fear non-acceptance of uncertainty if we accept that uncertainty becomes an

adventure it's simply a perspective see how you look at something is that same thing you're looking at are you getting excited about it are you getting scared about most look we often just live in our minds we don't even [Laughter] know it's like we scare the crap out of ourselves you know like it hasn't even happened nothing's happened we're just frightening also it's in the it's in the there is an there is an inherent amount of uncertainty there is just inherent uncertainty in this dunya

and what insane does throughout his collective life the whole of insane is tries to remove as much uncertainty towards certainty but the truth is allah says you know ultimate certainty is is the end of uncertainty which in the quranic sense is the end of this life because yakin in those verses means death which is really that's a fascinating

um you know it's wow just something to think about that we this uncertainty is inescapable and if you escape it it means this life is over now wow what a beautiful way to think of it you know but it's in in a way it's relieving because it brings you back to tawakkul it

it's like it's like that yeah that um what had i was going to say speaking of that ralib had said um about he refrained it not as certainty but of love and no sorry of uh life and of the um [Music] what shall we say the the the difficulties ram you know the melancholy

he says you know he says be free from melancholy that there is always going to be some and this ram here is the same understanding as suffering but suffering this is the point a lot of it is just in the it's not actually it's like if you change your perspective

you change the story it's think about it that's it's it's all not but an incredible amount is in the so let's i thought well and in light of that people why i you know there were some two three select poems i thought let's let's bring this up

to that you see that this heart hasn't lost hope it's only failed it's merely failed that's all failure it's only failed man it says that the evening of distress is long indeed but ultimately it's still an evening [Laughter] wow you know think about that man just think about that it's so you know whenever anybody is feeling a

bit down for whatever reason life's you know whatever life has thrown at them let's remember that that these two shall pass this was another one i saw and i thought well right so let's i thought let's this was parveen shakirs kebab [Laughter] make of that what you may make of that

what you make says love now has learnt how to basically how to organize its time and give it structure it says and she says that i do remember him but after but it's only after i dealt with see i'm trying to translate it in a way that it kind of still captures some of its meaning

that obviously she's saying but after the necessity after the need after work here come is more about what what he would have been purpose what he would have been helpful with so yeah make of it what you may but that was it's actually fascinating it also just reminds you how you know there there are there is this thing of being helpful there's an element that if you how it i guess increases in love

again hmm you know this is this there's some you know one could ponder poetry something you know poetry is in essence less about the words and more about what it makes you experience the kefir that's why in arabic is from it's from awareness and consciousness because it's of the feelings that you experience as opposed to the words

this i thought you know what speaking of the path of consciousness and how we view things occasion he says that one day i i finally or i got to knock on my own

allah he says and i've replied that i myself replied that i'm not here that's profound on so many levels so many levels and i i think it takes a lifetime to unpack the true realization of this hmm allah were we even here in the end [Laughter]

you know that's where we hear allah i guess that's what we try to do isn't it in a way that's a metaphor without a metaphor that's a summary of our life's purpose we attempt to immortalize our remembrance in this dunya we [Music] you know as allah says in the quran at the words or on the tongue of

the messengers and make those who come after me have a remembrance of me but a righteous remembrance because that's i guess what we're trying maybe what we're ultimately trying to do is just show that we existed

allah says that not the palace of darius nor the grave of alexander remain that how many epics and legends has this earth swallowed people who truly felt they owned the earth you know with a click of the finger they could have had the impossible possible almost

such power and resources and but ultimately nobody remains allah and i guess that's what we're trying to do is leave let it be known that we existed but this and that there's a beauty in that but the they shouldn't be an um i think it should be that i existed in sure even in a human sense but not in an ego sense

yeah right let's move on um this keep repeating the hanafi is that new fashion or something i don't i don't know what this discussion is about what is the correct term um hanafiya or hanafi and why uh

a compliment be it looks like [Laughter] i know this question i don't know um what you're talking about but hanafi is somebody that belongs to the hanafi madhhab um and in relation to imam abu hanifa and hanafiya is the term given to the collective so often in arabic the talmud can signify a collective so

you know like insane insanity humanity as a if you if you're using it in that sense but hanafi yeah anything that you're trying to create a collective out of that's one method of doing it so hanafia is the hanafi madhhab or the hanafiz as a peep as a collective hanafiya some people call them but yeah hanafi is generally the more accurate term it is a you know it's and it's commonly expressed by people i actually hear

hanafi saying it more often to be honest when i was in pakistan they would say a lot but on the pattern of in arabic traditionally speaking is a wasn't lijam al-khillah so it's a plural which signifies a few not many so if i said but it usually means not many but it means like maybe less than a dozen or eight or some say less than ten but so in that sense i would have thought ah naf would be

you know maybe not the most suitable way to describe the method but tell you know some random thoughts right okay let's um let's move on i'm just waiting for that to people i want to take a look at these verses

now the incredibly fascinating verses from surah those of you that if you haven't if it's not fresh in your mind then when you can if you can uh after the show if you can tomorrow just take a look at it you know this surah it's it has an amazing kind of um rhythmic awe to it

when he first converted to islam now it's an amazing um amazing surah and it has this this kind of this um it it has a style about it that is brief so it mentions things just concisely but they kind of like they pack a punch when it's said so yeah so this this from from verse 17 to

21 it's addressing this um a particular incident about moses musa and it's the incident to do with when moses has received you know he's encountered divine countenance and he has uh received revelation he has interacted um with the transcendental divine so allah has this communicated with musa

and you've got the whole burning bush incident now after that you have these verses and this song and i just wanna just looking at whatever fresh eyes people bring to the verses the verses are so giving back in turn so let's take a a look at this

the verse begins foreign let's go back through these verses

allah and what is that in your right hand oh moses you know this this is going to be interesting because why is that a question what is that in your right hand so okay let's take this first of all with just its its meaning so you have just the apparent meaning allah is asking moses what is that and i'll bring up the translation again the translation is right beneath him what is that in your right hand moses answered this is my staff

my stick i lean on it when i walk and with it i with it i beat down leaves for my flock and i have many other uses for it allah said throw it on moses he threw it and behold it was a snake active in motion allah said grasp it and fear not we shall return it to its former state so okay so you look at this verse and this is about perspective so on one level this is so

this is speaking about a miracle this is what it's speaking about so many people look at this and they'll say well okay this is allah had asked moses ali salaam what is that he said it's my staff it's my stick you know rod this is what i do with it you know i lean on it i um i you know i i atten attend to the flock of sheep with it i um you know i carry stuff on it i i've got all i've got other tawwalia

you know i do other things with it and allah says well okay i'm going to now reveal uh [Music] the power of the miracle throw it musa al-islam throws it it turns into a snake naturally musa alayhis is frightened allah says it's okay fear not hold it and as you do this will turn back into its first state which is the rod and the staff the stick okay and then musa al-islam repeats this miracle at a

later face to face with the pharaoh a kind of encounter with the pharaoh and the magicians and it's a well-known incident so okay so from one perspective to people this could be speaking about the the unfathomable power of allah his codera to turn a staff a stick into a snake a living snake by a miracle so this is the glory of god so that's one way to look at this that this is referring to a um

an incident of a miracle what is called what people call a martisa okay another way well people could look at this same verse and say well okay did it turn into a snake and that's a discussion on do the laws that allah has set in nature does he violate his own laws or do things just come together at a certain time so there are there's another verse of the of the same incident

and it mentions that um that it is as though it is from the john it is from the snakes it is from um it is as though it's a snake okay so some people could say well okay from another perspective maybe there was something to this maybe there was a kind of trick that let's say the magicians were using i mentioned this many years ago i said that this was one of the explanations i had given at

the past saying it could have been that we see when the magicians were making things turn into snakes they weren't actually making them but there was a certain trick that they were exposed to in some uh historians right that they used mercury and different some of them are fascinating write this in the quran that they in the scene of the quran that they used to use zitbach and this kind of stuff mercury and liquid mercury and it would do something and and so maybe this is somehow uh it's it's being shown to moses that this is and so what he does is he

actually exposes their magic as opposed to bringing a more powerful uh phenomenon of apparent magic to them so that's one way because one way a person could say well you see if if the magicians came and did magic and moses came and turned into a snake and he they killed the snake ate their snakes then in a way to the to the spectators they can't really tell the difference they can just tell that his magic was better than their magic so what it does by you know

what it does as a side effect or a byproduct is it a firm's magic but it just affirms that moses's magic was better than the magic that's one way of looking at it because it could be like well because to the common person who was spectating at this great event they they can't tell they think well you know when the magicians throw the sticks and turns into snakes uh to them it seems like whoa okay that seems like it's a snake now if moses came and did the same thing but just out did them let's say

his really turned into a snake but there's also perceptibly turned into a snake so that to the bystander because this says the quran says that it would be a spectacle for people to watch so they all gathered so the people couldn't tell except they could just tell his version was more powerful so that one may argue is simply you know by as a byproduct it's affirming the uh that might is right that the greater one always wins one could argue one could maybe counter that by saying no but that's how allah works in his world of

um of his laws of nature he breaks them at times and he does them in that way that's the wisdom sure i mean however people want to understand it some people might understand this as this is a testimony to the glory of the power of god that he is doing a miracle and other people may say well okay but that may be a bit you know i don't know if that adds up in all the adds up here but i don't know if it adds up there because then the spectators wouldn't really be able to tell so it makes more sense as the quran says so what the their tricks became

invalidated so okay because he exposed the truth the ultimate power just lies with god these people have no power it was but just a trick so okay that's one way of looking at this verse but okay here's right another perspective on this same verse you see and i know i've discussed this in in the past as well that that there's a plausibility that moses may have been

arkanatan now there's a plausibility obviously i'm not saying we we you know we can't say these things and nobody can claim certainty or you know even good enough so there's there's there's a plausibility when you look at the evidence because arkanatan is the person a a pharaoh now keeping in mind moses would have been a kind of pharaoh in the sense if you mean a pharaoh is royalty so pharaoh in our obviously in arabic is fair on but in arabic we use it as a

name almost but that's not what it was in it meant the the great house that's what it meant the the great uh the great household so whoever you know the palace of the pharaoh so to speak meant the father this was if you were of that you were a pharaoh you were of the great household and moses obviously grew up as a foster child to the firaoun in however you want to place it so um so to the outsiders he would have

been of the household he would have been obviously rude like if you grew up in buckingham palace um you know your royalty it doesn't matter so the word pharaoh for them was like royalty and obviously they you know they tried to uh they had their own belief system as well but i'm just using the word here so okay there's a plausibility that uh moses may have been akhenaten akhenaten was the first pharaoh to destroy all the other gods in the temples and say the one god and you know there's huge over

lapping kind of stories the the problem is the pharaohs tried to dimini they tried to ex um they they tried to kind of um eradicate and erase his history because they were really upset with what he did but there's these stories of him also involved in an exodus because he sets up a separate town called amana which was became the armani kind of kingdom then and and these other things which is huge similarities he leaves with a certain people as well he sets up the

but okay let's let's take a look at this this uh hypothesis moses was from the household let's say if he is akhenaten when akhenaten leaves now there's a certain point you see arkanatan leaves and he goes and there's obviously different stories about moses this time some people say this may have been after he'd got in some kind of trouble there's the story there's the incident in the quran about him killing someone but it doesn't mention more it just mentions you know about him killing someone where when did this incident take place obviously people

debated they're not quite sure is it later on is it at the same time is it but let's say moses has gone off and now he's received revelation and but according to this hypothesis the pharaohs after akhenaten are not from the royal household they're the government they're the generals in the army haram heb and these others become i think there's maybe four or five that in between they become um the pharaohs but they are not like i think horumhab is the most vicious but they weren't royalty before they were just military generals

so in this incident akhenaten or moses let's say he goes off now he spends many years away in the wilderness uh he goes off in the quranic story in the bible story moses goes for at least 10 years to madhyan and he stays away and and all of these things before he comes back when you see the incident here is what did moses what would have he had that signified this royalty because harumheb and the other pharaohs who took over after him

they weren't true royalty they were just military generals and when moses comes back let's say he's this man with this beard and he's ten years and he's aged and he's looks different and but he has the royal scepter you see the staff of the pharaohs and according to certain descriptions the staff of the pharaoh had this serpent on its head and in light of this hypothesis and i'll tell you who is ahmad osman in his book he speaks about this hypothesis he's one of the first people to i think there's

one two others but he really he authors several books on it if you want his book he's called moses and akhenaten and so he has this whole thing now he brings this to this verse as well to our attention saying that it's interesting in the quran allah asks moses to throw the staff and lo and behold it's a serpent now one way to look at this so this is a different perspective this akhenaten hypothesis for example allah is asking moses

you see because moses in that hypothesis held on to it you see he didn't he didn't let go of this royal scepter he took it with him and it was always a remembrance of who he was and in that way this verse seems ever so interesting that allah says that

what is that in your right hand almost and keeping in mind that musa is not actually moses's real name even jewish people i mean some say maybe it was a name given because he met moshe from the river but moses most likely meant um son of like the the pharaohs were called like you have uh tutmoses uh you'll have many of these moses moses was like an add-on but they say that the reason they called him moses was almost to negate any royalties as though they

it's like saying almost abdullah but then they just call you abd so this so matilda meaning and what is that in your right hand moses and then what begins is almost a series of justifications oh all this this here asaya this is my staff it's my uh you know um

you know that this is that i oh i lean on it and i carry you know my burden on it and some people say what cook can mean about carrying you know like a traveler would carry stuff and some people say to lean on and oh i lean on it and uh oh i attend to the flock of sheep with it and oh and i've got other tasks with it it's almost a it's a beautiful sense of justification almost that oh right i'm this this is why i and then it's that throw it

and then as it kind of gleams and just lies shining let's say in in the sun you see it for the royal scepter the serpent the snake of what it is and the historians like ahmed usman who have this akhenaten hypothesis will say when moses came back and the people were casting the snakes they were trying to do their tricks he held up his scepter and everybody knew

that akhenaten had returned that this that that's a different angle of this of looking at these verses so okay this is one way now another perspective so let's go with see this is what i'm saying that the quran it brings you know what every person they come they read it it they take something away from it now check this many of the mystics how they did have seen of these very verses let's go back to him now this is

this is amazing you're gonna love this check this out moses has received revelation and he has now been entrusted with this uh very weighty responsibility of bringing these people of of god the israelites to you know to a separate land where they can worship freely okay it's a very difficult task now allah says

yeah what is that in your right hand moses moses says oh this he asaya this is my staff that you know my flock i use it to tend to the flock

you know i've got so much so many other things this this that this is indispensable in or it's so helpful sorry in here allah is reminding moses as these many mystics explain to us that yeah musa

how can you rely on anything lean on anything use as a means of reliance anything other than allah that this is not the way of pure tawakkul

i lean on it i tend to the flock with it only and only allah that throw it distance yourself from any illusory sense of dependence and reliance or comfort

lose yourself of these mediating games of this world he threw it until the mediums of this dunya are in essence and the dunya by extension a serpent

that they have no ultimate loyalty with you at any moment they will sting you they will poison you they will strangle you they will and destroy you your reliance must at all times be only allah

and when he see when he saw the the serpent he he's frightened it's it's scary because that is the the brutal god perspective on the reality of this world that this dunya is brutal it's frightening almost

but then not if you have tawakkul allah allah says because when you're in the world you must live in the world by the world you must use the asbab but keep in mind at all times

pick up the staff pick up this reliance this illusory mediating instrument which for a moment has distracted you from your true reliance only on god pick it up we will return it to its instrumental aperture and its features

but remember that true reliance is on allah alone allah that is just mesmerizingly beautiful and so powerful as a concept these very same verses so many ways to read them and they give so much meaning to everyone and maybe infinitely more meaning to other people who bring um

[Music] you know their perspectives to the amazing verses of the quran these somebody said where is this this reference is in many of the mystical uh you know the uh the mystics of assyrian so you will get so you'll find it in bayan you'll find it in others as well you know there's a great website i do use it it's called um i just have it on my thing great tough seeds i think it's called great tough seeds calm it's in arabic and on there you can select the

genre of tafsirimon do you want ferk do you want this do you want um so if you pick the one that is mystical with the sufia so will bring up several tafasir then but they'll only bring up those tafasir if you select that genre it will bring up like in fact even makes reference i believe to this point as well that this is uh it's a metaphor but it will bring up even if najib will bring up uh buckley bring up like royal bayan it will bring up uh it brings up a few of these so it's amazing these things are there but it's

so put that references aside it's so amazing that when you just look at these same verses what they um serve you as an insight i hope that's been of some help people let's inshallah move on oh right okay so

all right just catching up with some of the comments uh um all right somebody uh right somebody said have the difference of ruined islam i sure hope not look a different view we people have different views you know sometimes you like the views sometimes you won't it's no big deal you know it's not maybe look every view is not for every person and that's fine and this is why i said that there were

all these these are some i'm sure there's many more views but they're all there and different people take different insights at different times of their lives okay all right guys let's uh move on i'll take a look did i miss any super chats um um right okay i see sarason shook hanyard much love for the super chat allah bless you um

i say speaking to a co-worker who changed from islam to buddhism he changed from islam to buddhism he critic he critic he criticized probably the verse in albariates yet okay sorry a third yeah not create humans except to worship me he thinks god is a psychotic narcissist [Laughter]

do you see a person who takes their own see it's interesting because allah doesn't say ego but hawa and hawa is it's like the um you know i guess it's like the disastrous energies that we carry within us and in a in the sense that they take them as a god doesn't mean that they create an idol and worship them but that that becomes the ultimate

um that becomes the um the ultimate um [Music] judge or um [Music] authority to decide what is right and wrong and how to adjudicate so let's take this as an example you mentioned look somebody said i did not [Music] create humans except to worship me now firstly i would say that this person

saying that god is a psychotic narcissist i you see to that i would say that this person is struggling with something with a with it with an inner fight naturally they've gone to let's say buddhism because they want to you know they want to quieten that inner noise and they feel that they maybe they feel they've been hurt and maybe religion has been misused maybe whatever their journey whatever the story is

but often perception is projection so when people say god is a psychotic narcissist often these people may be strong you know as young would say that people what we hate in people or someone and i would say here even the way they're using god as an example what we hate is often a projection of something we find in ourselves this is why we loathe it so much so usually when you hate someone about

something it's more telling about you than it is about them so because these are like hatefully charged terms psychotic narcissist you can tell this guy is going to be fun [Laughter] he's like yeah definitely bring him along not so this is you can tell this person's like

so yeah their struggle is with themselves the day they find the day that war within that battle within comes to an end they'll see that you know that allah had waited for them all along if they make it that is if you know unless this life of this is consumed in this battle let's just take that verse you know very briefly

that i did not create uh in sun is i take it you're talking about the same one what is it that i did not create the creation so obviously inc is the only jin if you mean by the unseen then here okay let's say let's look at in sun because that's pertinent to the discussion to not create it in sun

now many people have translated that as if you go to an arabic dictionary on grammar it will give you the in fact you could go to um you know who had a great one he's my teacher as well sheikh abdullah amazing epic you know he's a giant of the arabic language a great sense of humor allah he he passed away before he was from damascus syria and he passed away before the whole you know the uprising and all of that

and the the unrest in syria but he was honestly as amazing i it must have been probably same in his 70s maybe when when i got to meet him so i used to go to the masjid uh in that masjid to recite the to get hijaz in the quran after i did his i went to damascus and so i read the entire quran who had ejazzo gave me that kind of chain of transmission in the quran going back to the prophet so so i had to read the whole quran so i would go every day and read the jews now he used to be in the masjid uh assad time he'd come for way before like

an hour before for maghrib he'd just come there and just sit there in other time and him and this other old guy and they they're both old they were so jolly i'd never seen old old guy old man so jealous you know there's this theme of this motif of a grumpy old man absolute opposite man the guy was so he was like almost like a kid at heart he would do all these pranks he would kind of pull you you know when you're going he might push the he's just trying to trip him over they both like said he was such a great phenom he was they said definitely in the middle east the guitar civil way

with the book of sibo in arabic language so phenomenal and he was really surprised uh he was kind of like surprised pleasantly uh in a nice way with me he'd never come across a desi maliki so i told him on maliki and he'd written a book on imam malik so he said to me that you know i'm going to gift you my book on imam malik which i never got to collect from him but he said he said that i've never come across a maliki who's from pakistan he'll like you know who's this he like that he was used to be so used to love imam malik as well he used to have a commentary a weekly running commentary on fatal body it's a commentary on the commentary on

sahil bukhari of you know so this is how huge he was and he in grammar he was just a don he was like he had no rival honestly and i used to run some i used to be uh quite obsessed in that day and age with grandma so to run some grammatical things passed him some opinions you know when you're delusional and you're young and you think you can have opinions in grammar

so i said to him sure what do you think of this and i remember there was one he was quite impressed with he was like hmm like that's an interesting one but i was like whoa otherwise i used to be like what's this i anyway so you could just take his dictionary any dictionary you go to lam and it would show you what what lam comes from in the arabic language and it comes from many things but let's say one common thing ta'al it comes to justify something so um

let's say um i did this li anja so i succeed you know i i uh you know oh that's hot you could use hatta but here as well um let's say or to justify an actual thing like i the reason i wrote this book okay so it may benefit people now that's i'm giving the justification for why i'm doing something but lamb can come for other things it can come it can come as a consequence you see

um so here you see now if you read so so for example imagine i said um if i said imagine i said like i didn't help him um

except that except so he betrays me now you see now that translation you if i said i didn't help him except so that he betrayed me this here is not the justification it's not lam litali it's not i helped him so he could betray me it's saying that hey check this out i helped him and as a consequence he betrayed me

so here now you see this verse of the quran that i did not create ins engine i did not create them see i brought them into existence i gave them consciousness and awareness i gave them the potential the agency to act freely ella accept liability as a consequence they worship me

allah out of gratitude they worship me see it's the same verse it's not nothing it's the same lamb now you may say well some people interpreted it that way sure but it's the same lamb you know i'm not i'm not changing any words here telling you the same thing is used in the arabic language this for me is a more befitting and beautiful way to read this verse now you could read it in the other way that allah did it that they are predestined

to worship me you could read it in that way i'm not saying you can't read it in that way and one could say well okay don't uh hard determinist and fatalist you know scientists that believe in um there's no free will ultimately say we from the very get-go have been predetermined so i mean why is it that when they say that there's no you psychotic narcissists when they say it and when we let's say those people who say that although i don't read this verse that

way but those people who read it that way they're going with a predeterminism angle and you could say well the fact that people worship god it was predetermined let's let's take the scientists the hard line scientists to go with and this is many you'll be surprised how many they are that go with there is no such thing as free will and everything is determined the fact that i chose this cup today was already predetermined now these are scientists atheists who go with this so you know check it yourself check the data on it and they're going to i know refer to the libert x the libit experiment and but there's these things

have also been refuted but coming back staying focused here that look or when i say refuted reasonably as in they've been critiqued and criticized and many um you know there's these other scientists that have raised a lot of challenges with libits experiment on consciousness and free will and one obviously being of distal and proximal free will and other things but okay so let's focus here when these scientists say that that every single thing was preached and the fact that people are worshiping today they're going to say well this was predetermined

and it was ultimately predetermined from the beginning of life as a whole and it's been coming down with this whole but it's beyond your out of your control you don't call those scientists psychotic narcissists but you say ah okay they you know you know maybe you don't agree with it but you're like oh okay i can't argue with them they're scientists and so okay these people who take this reading of the quran to say well it was predetermined that's why people do it psychotic narcissism you know this the truth is the noise was

never without the noise was within you know the the rattling the he needed to quieten that so to me the other the other way to read it as a consequence is um you know shines true in light of the greater reading of the quran see this this is and it's the you know the majesty and the beautiful kind of um interplay of incen and the transcendental divine

will so i hope that helps okay now let's somebody said did i miss a super chat sorry just one moment um adam please do a hair tutorial my hair probably takes you know when i do this probably takes about 30 seconds honestly now that it's a bit longer what i do is i uh now i will kind of use a bit of a hair dryer i never used to use that but

as i as it gets longer because it just gets spiky so i have to kind of just slightly a few seconds just with a comb and then i just use now i just use a 10 um a kind of like a matte um [Music] uh is it it's not it's like i guess it's like a clay that i'm using but it has this matter and i just use a bit and i just brush it to one side and just go like this and i'm done like i don't really i'll i'll do a video on it someday right so but shukran much love for the super chat adam yeah i know you're just mucking about joking but

um uh arabian princess shukran much love for the super chat have you ever read the bible in full and what are your thoughts and what does islam say about the bible um i haven't read the bible in full no i've read from it you know time to time i've read discussions on it now and then you know i'll i i obviou i'm not going to be um you know so well versed in the maybe all the details of certain parts of the bible and stuff maybe stuff that i've just

come across in my discussions so i've ended up looking into it and i've read that but when you say what are my thoughts on the bible i think it's yeah i don't know what angle to even uh because the the bible is very different to the quran the bible was never a quran a quran is something that is recited it has a recital property to it a as a as a

um you know as something that has a rhythmic formation and structure it was never that the bible is different it's obviously a collection of books you know 60 plus books which uh people they they admit is um the effort of men so it's not a so it's fundamentally very different ontologically speaking there is a difference um when we're looking at the being the essence of the bible they're saying that

well there was things that there was revelation there was scripture and then scripture was interpreted and documented by people and you know commented commentated on and there's explanations and then there's just stories and there's all kinds of stuff there's letter you know the new testament there's gonna be letters of uh the apostles and there's going to be all this kind of stuff going on afterwards so all of this put together is the bible what i would say is look

okay you put that whole discussion aside it's because i know that the bible has the stories in it some of the stories are like okay i don't know what to do with that obviously you can only really look at them today in a metaphorical sense and um understand them to they definitely can't apply to today's world and stuff and some things are very strange you know when you read the bible so certain things about the bible what the israelites were doing what the you know so there seems to be this understanding that maybe the israelites were um offering you know there was a uh

the god malek that they were offering uh child sacrifices to him maybe they were doing i don't know this there's all kinds of things even when you see some of the stories of all the genocide and all of this in in the in the bible now that's going to all in my understanding be really just the interpretation of people that people just interpreted it and put it that way and they're not going to disagree really in that because they themselves will accept that this was just people who wrote it this way um what i would say is let's step away from all of this for a moment

it's not sometimes the detail it's the symbol of a book that mobilized people see in the past people they became like they they had a book see this this concept is so empowering this is why allah says and it's not a physical book that the muslims had in the early days but it's we have a book

we have scripture we are people of a book there is something so powerful about that concept that it it completely bypasses for a moment for a moment i'm not saying it's irrelevant but it bypasses for a moment the intricate details within the book but it's that these people have what they believe is a divine book behind them all

and and that can move mountains and as you can see it mobilized um nations it set up civilizations it it did so much that that just the belief of the book as an you know as a belief structure just this we have a book in the tab we have the book

this is now the quran of you obviously the in in the bible they did the same kind of thing that the book they had so yeah that's i don't know if that if that does justice to your question but i hope it helps what does islam say about the bible you see people are divided some people feel that islam comes and negates the bible i'm not so sure it really does um i mean it obviously negates certain things within the bible but

but the bible never claims to be a um you know an infallible corpus of texts so this so for example if you say to a christian look there's a contradiction in this and this they'll just be like okay because they'll because they recognize well the book wasn't divine means like the text was written by people so some people some so many muslims the islamic view or the muslim view is divided some people feel that the scriptures before the quran are all corrupted

other people feel that they're not necessarily corrupted sure it doesn't mean every single thing in them is fine but they don't make that claim anyway but the essence of so for example when you say the ten commandments were the ten commandments to moses that they don't ex think that that was corrupted or they let's say they say that jesus came to give the good news this you know this the gospel the good news they accept that and that maybe many of so it's not so some people feel it is others feel that the general message

isn't corrupted but it's just that the people themselves um they didn't that they was they were lacking and they weren't actually um where they need to be that's that's one okay i hope that helped i guess this brings us to a bit of the discussion i um right i see sir was there another

i see saracen much love yeah for the super chat somebody said um see saracen asking questions sending money somebody said i see sarasota sending money for questions i could answer common questions that's his love yard he's expressing his love see don't hate appreciate you know you can't be like hating on people the question however is a very somber unfortunate one about the whole i don't know what it is with americans man you know america is just a different

place like you know these mass shootings they are i would feel a 21st century american phenomenon it doesn't mean they haven't happened anywhere else but as a phenomenon like i can't even understand them that this like why do they not just happen in other places and you can't say well

you know this why don't they happen like that in other parts of the world why what about in more destabilized societies why don't they happen like that why don't they happen they don't like whatever reason you give you can find other countries like that in the world you don't get people going around in china or in japan or in and a lot of people may say well the you know the ex what was it the prime minister got shot but that was not this that was obviously a targeted killing and that was obviously one killing after so you know japan doesn't really have that kind of crime but the the point is that

america just has this there is i don't know what it is man there's there is some strain of psychopathy that is some way i don't why is it manifesting is it an interplay because sometimes certain genes they um they they they kind of play out in relation to the environment is this something societal is it what is it like why are these people like who the hell goes and just shoots random people who does crap like that who does that

nobody like you how is this a phenomena who goes into a god who goes into a school and shoots little children i mean that is you know look look listen we are hardwired right hardwired right to um for in the fitrah that allah has placed in us and that science recognizes for this love and affection to children in fact the ex you know there's been uh

quite a bit of research on it it's known as the the kinchen uh effect uh yep the kimchen um effect and it's it's it's basically how our brains respond to children and how the female and the male brain responds and it's so amazing you know if you see the studies on the kimchen uh so i think they spell it chen like that i'll just bring it up let's see uh that's it yeah the kimchen schema

so if you look it up and the research on it um right yep so it's the so the whole thing um let me just see yep so right now oh no this didn't help um [Music] yeah but anyway so this was basically it was some research that initially began this kimchen schema and it was to do with how we react to cuteness and

um and it was originally i think uh what was his name lawrence he was a um i think he may have been a kind of nazi or either a nazi or nazi sympathizer but but his study was later he was doing it for the the wrong reasons he he wasn't happy he didn't like the fact that we have a soft spot for children and he was examining that part but this study has later been extrapolated and people have worked on it and done all kinds of now we're using uh non-invasive brain imaging and all this kind of stuff we can see how rapidly the brain responds to

cuteness and children like the fact that they have larger you know bigger eyes and this like a smaller around kind of face this kind of and we this extends to other mammals even puppies and kittens and why do these uh why do humans react and they react i'm telling you the studies are mind-blowing we react in less enlightening speeds less than a second i think at one in one study they showed um a seventh or a fourth of a second that the brain that a region what was the region um

actually does he mention it in uh in any of these but but there's there's a certain region that they um that they isolate in the brain that responds with this uh immediately way before it's not even it's not about the visual cortex perceiving so we are designed with this fitrah and similarly i tell you that we are so designed an infant crying or even laugh laughing crying the brain becomes so alert you know in fact this is a trick if you need to be more alert and they did studies on this where they got

subjects and they made them listen to let's say two minutes or three minutes of just babies laughing or baby or maybe if some babies crying or making some baby sound but you know bubble baby bubble and then they made them perform a task with people who hadn't they were almost like beyond probability more alert the brain immediately becomes more alert as a survival feature that if it hears a baby crying even if you're not aware but your brain has become more alert so sometimes some people can do that as

a hack if you imagine i need to be more focused i could listen to maybe some baby bubble or some baby kind of sounds on youtube for let's say two three minutes you will actually become your brain becomes more alert than you will just without that so look how do people do that look they go in and they massacre children like that isn't in the insanity in the history without any like there's no you know one may say well the kings of the

past and pharaoh said you know i fear a a child will be born that might you know kill these children see that's with a teleology obviously it's tyranny but with a an ella like they they have a reason even if it's horrific but they have a reason to be monstrous not that it's justified but i'm saying they to themselves it's justified what are these people's reasons they they're depressed what are you bloody depressed about i'm depressed about life

well you haven't seen misery in life you know gold you know if these people went and spent if there was a project to take people that are really depressed for a few weeks and and if it was well integrated in poverty-stricken parts of the world and live amongst people maybe do a little project there that their world view would change so okay i'm depressed so i'm going to go shoot up a school what the hell is that about you you actually go

wow bring innocent little children to their death because you're goddamn depressed the hell is wrong with you the hell is how are these people even made how are they made like i don't understand how these how society can be churning out people like that and it seems to be um and it seems to be unfortunately like an american problem i don't know what on earth has created that like why does it not happen another is it because just there ain't as many guns but there's many guns in south america

there's many guns in asia it's many guns in you know in other parts of the world you don't hear i don't okay people may i do follow certain kind of uh spanish i have my things just just to help my spanish sometimes you know you don't hear of these you do there are killings i'm not saying that people aren't brutal but this is without any tel teleology like it's just there's no goal on to it like i'm just doing this because there's no goal so you may say well in latin america it's out of control with certain parts with the cartels and and these merciless killings and and they're doing it to

spread fear for the drug cartels and certain people and obviously that's vicious and horrific in itself but this is just i don't know what's happened and i i've got no idea what how does somebody even start helping society like imagine you were in charge of america what could you even do to start changing society i don't know i don't even think there is an answer because you've got to get into the grain of what's wrong in the minds of these people oh honestly i just make dua allah people that are suffering you know these people may they find healing

before they commit any act of atrocity i mean i don't seriously it's it's tragic man i don't yeah i don't to be honest i don't even watch the news because it's just so these things just bring the tragic things here uh right did i miss a super what was some of your comments on this

lots of anger mufti sab here yeah man i mean it's people are angry you know i watched this thing a few years ago you guys probably remember it was in america there was some lunatic who was um going on a killing spree whilst live streaming on facebook and i don't know if you guys remember it do you remember and he was just he was just walking up to people and i remember he just walked up i watch i i'm still when i think of it i'm disturbed

he walked up to what seemed like some you know this judgmental maybe disheveled maybe like a homeless uh person there's some uh some black guy i mean he himself was black as well but he he walks up to him at one point and he and he says something and the and the guy like uh like he says sorry what's like i don't know i can't i don't know his words but he responds like very humane like he's as if he's trying to else sorry like okay do you need help with something or oh sorry what's that you said and i just shoot him shoots him dead and he just goes and

shoots another person and just indiscriminate nothing this i don't know that there's no you know it's it's i think america you know in many ways we are witnessing the dissolution of the great united states of america sure maybe gun control would help but i don't think it would resolve the because it's it's a mental illness that needs to get resolved as well but sure gun i think gun control would definitely help you know this america is just crazy with its guns man

don't get me wrong if i was in america i i i would love to hold a bunch of guns it's going to sound hypocritical now i guess you know that the boy in you always loves things like guns i would love to oh go to these shooting ranges i would love to you know i see some of these guns on the thing i think oh my god that looks epic but you see but then they're just so dangerous that's obviously by definition but it's for god's sake there's this documentary of where a kid is he's not even of age he goes and buys a gun it's so easy

and he can't even buy alcohol that easily and he just goes and buys a gun on his video he's like secretly recording himself and they don't even check for id or anything i mean how how do you sell guns and not sell bloody ibuprofen okay maybe in america they sell ibuprofen but you can't sell cigarettes to someone who's a kid rightly so but yeah you can sell him a gun

yeah you know let's make the ah honestly you know sometimes all this talk what it can do as well is it can because it stirs the soul it can bring out this kind of tension and then what some people can do is they can start hating and thinking oh these people are all america's a lost cause all these people are no like you know here's here's a plot here's like a mind twist what does it hurt you to make dua for them you know from a true heart some amazing people man they're leading you know in

many things they're leading world exploration leading you know some of the greatest scientific medical breakthroughs all are coming from the united states some of the most amazing discoveries some of the greatest thinkers some of the philosophers some of the musicians the the poets the authors the artists the humanitarians so many charity charitable humanitarian projects are led from the united states by people by you me you know people living there i'm not talking about ngos i mean i'm sorry i'm not talking about government

bike so yeah this there's amazing people that's something that look let's make dua may allah make things easy i mean because right now in many ways that the world is following or i i guess it isn't totally now american lead but what happens this echoes in the rest of the globe so you know sometimes you get people say oh may allah destroy america why why you know it's not from the sunnah of the prophet to make dua about people's destruction see even you know it's interesting

people make dua of like hatred i'm not saying you know you can make dua i guess a person's oppressed by someone and they do it but look at the prophet's way even when abu jahl would oppress the prophet and do all these things and he took intestines on the prophet once when he was praying camel intestines and doing all these things and abusing him and verbally abusing him and mocking and all this stuff and the prophets him and there was um who was also this adversary and and the prophet says allah guide the you know the two

it was armor as well but um or you know or guide them guide them or at least guide one of them you know look like imagine that somebody is hating on you and you're in you're on your own when nobody's watching you say allah you know you know bring about their wellness that's like another level another of of accomplishment of of actualization of having reached something okay guys let's

move on i'll share the link oh right um before we um all right clear may allah grant your son a swift and complete recovery ameen you know may conclude successfully and with with with great results i mean right so um

uh right so right i want to share some thoughts on um the birth of orthodoxy and institutionalization because we were we got discussing in our patreon meetup oh by the way those of you that um do want to sign up to that just go to patreon and you can it gives you different tiers and you can connect i did make a post um in fact i'll make a separate statement about this uh at the end about people when they want to connect and they want because it's difficult you know on these other social media you

can't really give that time um so you have that option in patreon you can have one-to-one discussions you can book yourself in okay now look on our patreon uh meetup we got chatting on the group meetup and we were just talking and we ended up speaking about these issues and then one of them did say that have you discussed this in your meaning with malm and i did say look you know what i'll i'll do it again sure i'm sure i have in the past but i'll i'll kind of expand on this slightly so orthodoxy that this

it's i think it's very interesting to um to kind of examine orthodoxy so orthodoxy is well people will would understand it as saying well it's the correct belief but it's not just the correct belief it's like saying the belief that has been deemed correct okay now that's interesting because when you say well deemed correct institutions come into play and power comes into play so it's very fascinating like

this was the phenomenon we were discussing when we look at sunni islam we find that for the first almost 200 years there clearly is the main body of muslims the main um what you call the swaddle of them the great you know the the main body of people who were main muslims but they didn't have a name so this name al-sunnah didn't exist for until over you know decades over 200

years after the prophet so there was no name for the main body of muslims so if you said to someone well who are you they would just say you know we're muslim but the other there were many other sects that him had emerged so the shia had emerged the hawari had emerged different sects had emerged so how did you identify as i'm from the main body of muslims so what you had was there was an identitarian methodology that took place

and that was that by association so and one symbol of that was that you were engaged in in the study of the study and the project of hadith so if you were engaged in the hadith project as a mahadith of islam you by default were at the center because the hadith

represented the prophet alaihi sallam and even though hadith is not synonymous with sunnah in you know in especially in maliki and hanafi islam uh the main the majority of sunni islam because they're the majority in numbers um but hadith still is an attempt to capture the historical records of the prophet so if you're somebody engaged in that you are by in the center you this is one way of saying i'm uh obviously the word sunni didn't exist but it's like saying i'm a proto-sunni i'm from the main body of muslims i'm

not from a deviant sect okay this is why for example imam abu hanifa rahman allah one of the greatest scholars of islam he wasn't bulletproof you see because if you were involved in the hadith project you were that was one layer of armor against this being ostracized so he wasn't because he was not involved in the hadith project and hence he was a target and hence he was cast aside from the main body of muslims according to certain scholars of the time they considered him not they

considered him a deviant because he wasn't from the hadith project so because if you think of it imam hanifah who was involved in reason and he used logic and reason voice of reason to and uh he and compassion as a key tool in to to instrumentalize the sharia his views which are imam malik holds many similar if not some more outstretched views but why was imam malik never cast aside or ostracized because he was hadith

he was not only well involved in the hadith project he was a dawn of the sciences of hadith so in many ways he was then untouchable so okay so you've got this the other way that people had this understanding for the at least the first 200 years of islam was they identified the in-group by um it's an app

apathetic it's up of uh by an apathetic methodology uh upper well you know what let me bring this up right right so uh yeah apophatic that's it yeah so apophatic methodology it's by what you negating by what you're not so how so the center is defined by the periphery so the periphery the edges define where the center is so if you're standing at the edge then and i'm

not there i know i'm not at the edge and by contrast i must be closer to the center so for example we would say we are the main body of muslims because we are not people who let's say the shia who believe in imamship we are not people who call non-musl sorry call muslims non-muslim by committing a major sin the khawarij we are not so you're not saying what you are you simply state what you are not an apophatic methodology so you

you just take the negative and so you define the in-group by contrasting it to an out-group you don't give a definition for the in-group you just say we are not that group so this is how and that's a very interesting phenomenon because the question is well why didn't somebody give a a definition for the in-group and they don't so imam alex fatawa luka is madonna is answering over 30 thousand

a hundred thousand but they never explain akida never they never tell you what you need to believe they do discuss the imam malik says he mentions shia in his he mentions khawarij hariji's he mentions qadharis he mentions mata zilla he mentions but he never tells you what you believe to be there is no checklist to believe there is only the in group is identified in contrast to the outgroup so as long as you don't do these things let's say you don't curse the companions

you don't take fear of muslims you don't then you're fine you're within the main body of muslims now that is is vast because it's still not there's no inquisition into what you actually believe and that is how the sunnah of the prophet salallahu alaihi wasallam was because the sunnah of the prophet was not to go around and say what do you believe about this how do you believe this or you don't believe that check him out what do you believe about this it wasn't it was look as long as you don't worship other idols you don't do this you don't do this you believe in allah

you accept the message so the when these few criteria they did have but they didn't used to mention because it's so obvious it's so commonplace that ahman to bill i believe in allah i believe in revelation and messengers i believe in a life after after death and i believe allah is all-powerful yeah that that of course that every child had and that makes you a muslim so there was no definition to there was no checklist as long as you don't curse companions as long as you don't curse the wives of the prophet as long as you

don't do this you're from the main body of muslims now you may say well okay but i uh understand this thing like this and this thing well nobody is checking nobody's there to check that this is your and in this way iman is in its natural fitra state so and this is the lifetime of the salaf the salah for the sahaba the tabernacle that's it in their lifetime this is how islam was so in imam malik's lifetime there was no such thing as to be a sunni you need

this apart from saying i believe in allah in revelation uh and the messengers and life after death there was nothing like that that they didn't even say because it was so obvious everybody every muslim accepted that so that's just an obvious so now what happens is after the 200s the decades into it and it's all it's disputable where does it originate in my research i feel this originates the birth of this is with the quran the creation of the quran

that gives that is the the premise and the pretext which gives rise to the opportunity to now um structuralize and forge orthodoxy that we can now because this masala quran is the first masala in which scholars take a stance i mean which and by the way there was no precedence in this because it doesn't really make sense that they were president i know people tried to say those precedents it's it's really all fabricated that this was

a new masala nobody was discussing this allah before this is why they struggled with it because because if they didn't struggle they would have just said look we're just following what everybody else believed why are you picking on us the issue was there was no precedent in this masala so you know people try to say imam malik said this that oh the quran isn't created all these things aren't made up they didn't even discuss this this was not even a discussion it's like saying you know isaac newton was discussing quantum physics look he's got a quote saying quantify you know that they weren't oh here uh you know albert einstein is discussing the iphone

and he's got you know the iphone 13 he's got a comment on it you know that's fabricated that didn't happen at that time they weren't discussing these things so with this debate scholars took a stance now that's a different debate in itself and no point really getting into that debate but the point was that the first discussion began because when the scholars said that oh the quran is not created that the counter question was well okay so is it god and you see they kind of found

themselves between a rock and a hard place because well it's not well it is god like it's the speech of god saying okay well is the speech of god god then this gets confusing because you're like well hmm what do i say to that and so they said well right so they didn't know where to put it because if you say it's not god then it's created if you say it is god it's but it's not him then it's with him then you've got god and another piece of god god thing that is with god so you've got two gods so this is philosophically it's you're

in a wrench so so to get around this the ulama they came up with or well it's an attribute of god it's a sifa this is the birth of sifat by the way so nobody prior to that had ever used these words in this sense and i know some people try to justify it but really it's you know you know okay you can try to justify but you know if you're gonna call a spade a spade and just be honest you're going to know that the birth of this issue is with the quran that they didn't know where to put this now so they said well oh this is okay let's call it an attribute of god

so theology starts to get formed it is the birth of orthodoxy that we as the main body of muslims are people who believe who affirm remember first it was we negate we don't curse the companions we don't do this we don't now it's we affirm we believe there's a checklist that the quran is not created if you tick this you are now in you are with the in group so it became a to do like there's a criteria checklist

so this is why you see so for example the greatest sunni scholars theologians like abu hassel who is the father of sunnah i know people say imam ahmad is the father of allah that's a different discussion but really from what i've my uh people if if they have uh any evidence to the contrary but what i've come across in my readings is that the first person to use the word was and this is way into the 200 hijri because abu hassan al-ashadi is originally from the matasila he's not even from sunni islam

originally he is the nephew of abu ali al-jabi who is a major figure in the matazilla legacy great thinker of martezilla you know denomination sect now hassan actually breaks away from him and he he then starts to amend certain beliefs because they have remember main sunni mainstream muslims don't have a checklist of what makes you the in group they just know we are not the out group it starts in that century then people start adding to this list then

okay we are people who affirm that the quran is not created tick then people add another thing okay we are people who affirm this another thing before the end of the century you've got uh imam tahavi you know the great hanafi scholar in his you've got over 160 what is 16465 things on his checklist now that if now if you don't even believe in one of these you are out see first you go back a hundred years if you don't curse the companions and you don't curse this you are in

the the the periphery defines the center that if you're not on the edge you're in the center and the center is fluid there's an amorphousity there is this kind of like it's a flow structure okay it's it's in free flow but this is how iman was taught by the prophet sallallahu alaihi it wasn't a checklist it was just taught and the living tradition was you just learn it and so considering look people like imam malik they writing at lens i mean volumes

35 000 36 000 merced they're arguing about things like if you use a nail in the wall of a neighbor what do you do what's the compensation for this if you build a wall around here if you tie your horse over there if you if you bring eight bags of wheat and do this if you translate this into this why are they not mentioning what do you actually believe in to be a muslim they don't do it and there is wisdom with the salaf there is wisdom now you see you fast forward 100 years and now you have a checklist

now we can measure you against the list if you don't meet up to one of these things we will chuck you out see now that also you see the question is the if you go back a hundred years that had an ammo facility was amorphous it was like didn't have a set structure it it's like like a floating cloud okay now you fast forward 100 years and people could argue well there's a crystallinity you know you have a substance that's amorphous and then um you the the crystallinity of it the

crystalline structure is it's so the carbons are so tightly packed together they all structured so people may say well okay there's this crystallinity to it now but the thing is there's also power because you see if i'm in the in group and i don't want you in the in group then i add on a certain another checklist because now people are adding you know everybody once you've started it it's now people can they can keep adding well okay well to be a sunni

muslim you also need this now you know anybody who does this or to be a sunni muslim you can never do this now so it's interesting now and people keep adding and the adding maybe they're doing it genuinely you know i'm not saying they're disingenuous but what you can't take away is the human boundedness with power structures that when insane is in a position of power and you are arguing against there is always an element of you see you you

what you're embedding in the structure so suffering for example let's say i'll give you an example well okay not to expand too much but let's take a very brief look at the concept of ijma now this is not to debate the issue of ishmael that can be for another day but let's say this is a tool that scholars have that they say well this is the consensus and consensus is uh it's it's a card that can that holds weight like let's say not to say it's a game but let's say if we're using that analogy we can use this

to show that look why why are we doing this because we have ichima okay but the question when you look at imam shafi's time when they're trying to discuss what are the tools to make sharia they say well okay the tools to make sharia are have to be proven from the quran and sunnah so basically either the quran teaches you or the prophet to you but the prophet never taught ishmael because that wouldn't that wouldn't make sense so prophet never taught each man that's clear so you could say well but we the scholars they they deduce this oh sorry they induced this principle by looking at different things so they

looked at things and they came out with this principle which is which is fine there's nothing wrong with that and okay that's great so the scholars came up with this for a preservation method sure now did some scholars ever question this of course they did you know like ibn hassan for example questions it other people question what type of icham who's it family of the prophet israel of all muslims

just you know there's all kinds of there may be absurd questions but people say ishmael so okay now you see so this is a tool that the scholars they induct by inductive reasoning they they kind of arrived at these now you see well somebody may say well i don't know you know i'm not so convinced so this is now on the checklist okay anybody who doesn't accept this is no longer part of the main body of muslims we just add it on so it becomes like well okay well now i can't question that it's a bit like the the cancel culture

which is also about power see like if you look at the mega wokism today and it's it's going mad i just saw a clip today with some senator and some woman was discussing something and and they're discussing the term about i think pregnancy and they say uh you know and she's asking him that oh do you and he i think he's asking her something about well you're saying uh persons or people capable of pregnancy and so he says i thought this issue was a women's issue you know are we not discussing women's rights and she says well you know it

doesn't it's not just to women you know obviously women get pregnant some women don't get pregnant some let's say trans people some men some non-binary some pan-pine whatever she comes she mentions all these things so she says well all of these categories uh are capable of pregnancy so so she says do you so he says i don't i don't understand like i thought so she says oh don't you do you not believe that men can get pregnant so he says uh no and so she says oh so you by that very comment are

inciting violence against uh uh transsexual your transphobia and violence against these people and i think and he says where am i doing i'm just asking he said i just said no i didn't know that and and and it's and you know this is so that's a whole different discussion and what's actually really interesting on all of this stuff on a side note is people keep bringing you know it's like dave chappelle said people keep bringing up these things and they bring up uh transphobic but really the trans community themselves are usually

not that they're usually very fine and very understanding of this and they're not the people causing this kind of um commotion they're not at all in fact dave chappelle on one of these things says look i get so many letters from the trans community saying look and you know we've i don't know who these people but you know they're not speaking on behalf of us so that's a different discussion in and of itself that why so but the point is this council culture it becomes another add-on thing because there's power involved so oh if you don't do that you're automatically out of the ink group so

this is really fascinating that how the birth of orthodoxy takes place this is a very academic discussion so it's very separate from um a kind of confessional learning of islam and even very separate from a devotional attitude of practicing islam this is a very academic elmi uh pursuit that how orthodoxy was born and you can't always separate the power structures from even if people you see because it's naive to assume

that only people that are disingenuous act from power that that's incredibly that that's totally not true everybody acts from power and and it doesn't mean you're disingenuous it just has to add an element of neutrality to it that's all so and a good example is like this like let's say

let's say we wanted to and this is going to go into another discussion um let's say we wanted to discuss dispensations in islam like things that you're allowed to do uh let's say by default you like let's say you had to do wudu but you don't need to do wudu because you're ill or you're so you can do tmm or there's something you've got an injury or there's something now you see or it could be something else let's say you need to shorten the prayer or there's something totally different you needed to whatever it was whatever the thing but you needed a rosa now the

question is well you see language when i say to you that oh this is um you know like oh that's an inconvenience to to do you see language is loaded so imagine i said well wudhu must be done and cannot be substituted by theomum simply by inconvenience oh so this is a hanafi clear hanafi style i know the maliki's are much more relaxed on substituting mudu with

someone but let's say the hanafis are very strict so they say well wudu cannot be substituted by tiermum by simply inconvenience so you see but the question here is that when you say inconvenience you've already rigged the game because inconvenience is already a subjective opinion so now i say well what's an inconvenience okay so there may be some very trivial things that maybe people agree on but it's a subjective

so one person's inconvenience may be another person's nightmare maybe let's say a person has a cold if this is a nightmare i'm i'm not doing wudo so that's just a little inconvenience that's the other person this is a catastrophe you know i can't work i can't do this [Music] or you see the moment we deploy words like the moment we deploy words we are agents of power we select words maybe subconsciously but

we embed power structures by the use of words so when i say so imagine i didn't say that now like imagine the malikia were writing the same thing so they so let's say the hanafi was writing this and they said well wudu cannot be substituted by thiem because of simple inconveniences now let's say the i.e a cold let's say the maliki's were right there we say well can be substituted by tiermum due to hardships

i.e a code the power of the word see you embed a power structure the game is rigged you see because you you already define the outcome so this is the issue with and you could do this genuinely you could do this you know

but you are embedding power elements in the equation the moment you speak the moment you said something so when people become a the so the strength of having an orthodoxy was people were saying well we've got structure now first we had this amorphosity you know we don't know what um what did they believe i don't know you know what did uh they what did the taber ain't exactly believe about certain things we just don't know they never spoke about it okay that's all nebulous and you know it's it's kind of free-floating

let's have some structure so we can tell our children exactly you know don't just say be part of the main body we can tell them exactly so this is the the plus side you know what why people went for it um that we can be clear we can have clarity it's not just a free-floating it's a solid foundation now okay and and it is let's be honest you know it's much more clearer than trying to say well just believe but then the problem you see well okay what is it that they believe because remember this list hasn't been taught to

you by allah and his messenger it's been taught by men righteous men you know inshallah but the thing is they're still men and they still spoke with a perspective that unquestionably was nested in an agency of control from where they stood so if they were an asha'ali they were writing from an ashadi perspective if they were humbly they were right from a humbly perspective if they were if they were the clergy and they don't want you to question certain things they put that

in there because sure they may they may do it for a good reason because you know we just don't want people arguing with us it wastes our time we're doing it to save valuable muslim time they may be very sincere but you see it becomes a power structure that's embedded now you see you you don't meet up to this list there's an inquisition you see if you don't meet up check them out

so it's really fascinating just as an anthropological analysis of where all of this originates in our history we have to kind of sift through it and filter through it and think wow okay where is i wonder where this came from where did this originate so in my research a lot of it originates around that inc the inquisition of the mechanic of the quran the creation of the quran although i don't think people before that hadn't thought of it it i think it's very naive to assume that these scholars who were writing thousands and thousands of fatwa didn't

think of let's have a creed i mean that's like common sense 101. so why didn't they do it though see that's the question that's the million dollar question why did they not do it there could be a phd on that there could be phd on all of these things that i've said on the on the the birth of um you know orthodoxy or whether it's going to be the definitions of orthodoxy and how that's played out in islam or whether it's going to be the first 200 years of islam why there was no um crystalline orthodoxy and

you know why why not because they must have had their reasons and i'm not saying and their reasons could have been ironically a lack of power to do it you see so wow wow fascinating so okay let's uh let's go on people let's you know what let me share the link and let's get some chats and what we'll do is then we can call this a wrap oh no i'm clicking the wrong thing

copied sometimes you know when i start speaking i get so carried away i think to myself sometimes what am i talking i think dude like what what are people making how are they even making sense of what i'm on about [Laughter] for another day huh for another day so

this was an interesting question what's the point of having to call if you have to wait an entire lifetime of it wow it's not you see i think you're looking at it wrong you're looking at it wrong it's kind of like asking

you know what's it's it's kind of it's it's like um a tautology in what it's asking it's not really making much sense you know as the poet said that was [Laughter] says you know after excessive effort he eventually defined water as water [Laughter]

it's not that way you have to wait a lifetime it's always with you but sure maybe it grows with you it's like saying confidence it's like saying an attitude an outlook it's like saying what's the point of an outlook if it takes me a lifetime to get it but maybe it doesn't take you a lifetime to get it but it is growing with you it is you you are it is you know it is your outlook so the more you nurture it the more it will grow

otherwise it's just you know that um [Laughter] i love that you know there's a there was a poet where he said i said he had a poem where he was describing people and he said

he said inna losen will now yeah what was his point man he says yeah what was it now it's going to be on my mind this is he says

mao [Laughter] he says as though we he says we are he says he says we are in such a way like we are sitting here in such a way with this water like he had this stream that was going around them he said with this water going around us he said like a people who are sitting with water going around them it's like totally like a tautology you didn't say anything like there's nothing it's like

you know it's like oh you know what shall i tell you a proverb that did i share this proverb with you guys that i learned the other day a few weeks ago i mean not the proverb i learned the backstory to it i couldn't stop laughing you know it's an urdu proverb of uh nathin menarame have you guys heard it did i share it last time well let me see

um now i don't think i did let's go and then i'll share the story yes so this is the backstory to this um so it's used in urdu to say like like something meaningless it's neither here neither it's like irrelevant it's and the literal translation is that um not from three and not from 13. and you think well maybe this is to do with the numbers you know three and thirteen like basically not here not they like you're just irrelevant like that so so the backstory goes to this that there was a um

it was a certainty a businessman this is like obviously from hindustan times and vechara was in low he was in lafayette he's in love he's in love with uh a uh if a so a working woman she always say in love with a prostitute okay we just get get down to it here so and she was known as in a known prostitute but he was in love with her and you know what does one have or how does one have a way with the heart huh ultimately it does its own thing so he's

in in low yard so what he does is he buys her this expensive pearl necklace and he says to his uh munchies kind of assistant p.a says yeah go give this to that you know that that woman she's obviously she's a prostitute he says go give it to her as a gift he says but you know what don't don't say my name say this is from tamara sacha ashik joy you know your

true lover this is from him then come and tell me so kai says okay so he goes there and he goes to her and he says ah says i've got a surprise for you this pearl necklace you know hanzo this let's say this necklace she's like wow oh my god he says yeah you know this your true lover has given this to you so she's kind of at a loss for words

so she starts thinking so she says out this verbally reads out three names she says this this this and so the assistant goes um not not them so she immediately expands that list of three from her clientele to 13.

and so the assistant shakes his head again so he goes back to the city he says to his he says you were just getting worried for no reason [Music] [Laughter] you were just getting distressed for no reason you're neither from the 3 nor from the 13th

oh my god i couldn't start laughing you know when i read was like oh my god that's so hilarious right we've got a bunch of people um right so okay somebody guessed it but that's hilarious so you know the tautology something of no meaning right so the arabic poet says

that after excessive effort he eventually defined water as water you know it's like a cha right let's get some people on let's bring on quite a bunch of people everybody seems to be awake out here at this godly hour all right how are you keeping man good good alhamdulillah i'm just checking all right so

people i think if the the volume shouldn't actually change or anything but uh it's just i could hear a little echo yes how's it going mahmoud of right remind us again what part of the states are you from uh kentucky it's like fried chicken so yep talk to us man share with us your your thoughts i was actually uh more curious about um your experience after five meal like the integration part of it that's a lifetime unraveling in front of you

yeah well we'll do that a different day we'll go into into into the whole unraveling integrating that into your not i guess one way is to or by that lens then navigating life and the world what i can say is everything the world is life is very different it is different unquestionably unquestionably different um and a person truly also comes to understand just how you know

the message of of insania ultimately and by extension the faith is really one of compassion and love that you really come to understand that then it's not even you know understanding is not a computation understand you see people think understanding is information it's not we don't say computers understand computers can compute they can you know contain information they can

process information but they don't understand because understanding is a realization at a conscious level right it's not a thought process no it's it's a realization i mean i don't know if people are going to say well yeah i mean i yeah i wouldn't say it's a thought process it's it's a it's it's a qualitative um phenomenon that happens it's like conscious that happens in consciousness about something so all of a sudden you realize

something it's it's made real for you in that moment and and this is why we often have realizations of things that we in many ways knew before it's not there was no new information it's not like we didn't know something but all of a sudden a certain point in our life it makes sense to us and that's at an understanding level it sinks it kind of like almost becomes integrates and with the you know with consciousness or with the soul and yeah and really a person does come to really learn about the this whole thing of

yeah about why it really is what drives us in this dunya or it should drive us sorry not what drives us but what should drive us is compassion and love i mean so yeah that's that's all i'll say on that for now it's um yeah it's really funny how there are so many traps like i remember getting into spirituality and um developing a spiritual ego and not realizing it uh and sort of okay like i think i was i was rationalizing everything in my head but i wasn't understanding the

point um the point of like you know it's not you you can't you're you're not able to grasp it because it's infinite it's um it's not something you can uh comprehend it's strange because you see it's like this um see the moment you see this is the problem with institutionalization even when done with a good intention it's at the cast of the spirit of something or the soul of something that and it's the same way in a way when people try to um [Music]

let's say have maybe spirituality through a structure which sure i mean if it helps alhamdulillah but the problem sometimes is that what we have to be careful is is it just the ego you know is this and if it is then that's just useless man you know the whole thing if you if if you're doing something ultimately because it's you know this me me me this oh i'm now a better person or i'm the holier person or i'm the more you know i pray all this you don't even pray this i

do so much to speak in a day yeah that that that that these you know that allah does not love you know you know people like this that that is that are self-conceited allah you know i say this and we're all probably uh caught up in this web yeah and i just hope we're less caught up and we can incrementally through time be less and less caught up that's all because i think ultimately you know it's like that somebody asked

today about the bible there's that quote from the bible that vanity vanity all is vanity you know it's um but because this is the world isn't it so easy to be just trapped in in things yeah it took me it took me a really long time but i i sort of finally realized that it's not about addition it's about subtraction it's about removing what's what what has been built up in the conditioning and after removing all of it um all there is is what is wow man that's a very profound yeah for you know for a young person you have some real profound wisdom there

may allah bless your wisdom bless your journey you know that's so true wow it's not about addiction it's about subtraction but subtraction is scary yeah because it's you know we the whole thing is you don't want to give away anything you know right from the very uh essence that a baby is born it's born clenching its fist it doesn't want to give anything this whole thing and the ultimate submission i guess at death is the palms are open but that's uncontrollably that's you don't have a choice in that so it's i guess this subtraction

you're right but it's i think it's difficult stuff man it's difficult that's the um that's that's the the the plunge in itself so yeah but true man somebody said subtract them instagram models hurts i know you know i tell you something instagram these things we're all a part of this it's so you know it's it's even because even the the people say models or the people on

instagram if you reduce it further it's all about wanting to be in the glance of the other and because ultimately it does something to our consciousness you see when i like i'm now conscious i'm aware but then you're watching me i become aware of your awareness of me this is a meta awareness so this meta conscious state it does something that is that that consciousness it's like a drug

to it it's like really cocaine to it so it when that goes away you stop looking at me it's like i want that again so people this is ultimately what social media is you see how many views because when i'm being viewed i'm in the glance of the other and i guess this is the journey that you see when the prophet sallam said that ultimate compassion this ultimate state of of of being in a state of uh

of whether a person wants to say of just goodness yes and being in a state of it that he said that ant abu dhabi foreign it is as though you can see god now and if you don't then the sub layer is that well you are aware that god sees me and in a way that too

is in that divine glance that i'm but it's it's it's a it's a very benevolent one it's not a harmful one it's not a and i guess this is the life you know it's the journey trying to get to that trying because because this is too powerful so powerful you know this whole thing that just being devoured and i've got i think i think we've cut out as a separate clip that the glance the glance that devours and speaking about this but yeah and an interesting point on that is if a person says well how it's as though you see god that

just merging into that the other hadith that says that i become the eyes by which my person sees i become the ears by which he hears i become the hand by which he or she grasps and the feet by which they move and the question is well in that hadith how does god become these things and the first part of the hadith is about this it's about giving whether it's your time visiting the sick whether it's about bringing a smile whether it's about giving something a little something but it's all about in a way there's a subtraction isn't there that you're

subtracting from your time from your energy to smile at someone from your but what you're actually doing is gaining because allah becomes metaphorically in this he becomes the person doing these things in you know as a metaphor of course but yeah man wow that's profound stuff yeah you know what wow you know if i at your age had the ability to think like that where would i be today

yeah i may have taken psychedelics a little too early but [Laughter] a lot but yeah you know what yes yeah um i had also thought about um you know before you you come out of the womb you're um you don't even have a name or when you come out of the womb you don't have a name you're just uh you're just a body or um you're just not even that because you're you're just awareness that's all you are because you don't even what you're looking at you don't even know what it is it's just the only thing there is is just awareness no i mean out of the womb um like before

you've you've been given a name like you know mahmoud is just a collection of nuts incorporated as a cut in the background tim has emerged as a cat i don't even have a cat oh whoa you're like but yeah that's you know i'll tell you another uh a point on that you said when you're born you don't have a name it's interesting when p when a person dies they don't call them by their name they say the body and like even in arabic they'll say the nash they'll say the um [Music]

they won't say so for example let's say this person after last night they won't say where is abdullah they'll say like where's the body right right they don't it's because it's that that person this is no longer that person this is yeah that's wow that's a bit somber so not to make the mood somber but it's whoa okay what a name forever remaining huh this is from to just pure being and existence eternal allah allah right okay well

it's been epic having you on sharing these thoughts very profound for sharing as you can see a young soul so profoundly you know excelling in his journey of consciousness wow wow we've got uh some who've got here uh i can't see a camera we did today

wow toronto canada all right all right i like it i like it from from country to country yeah yes i was about to say that too from the the confines of your car from of your vehicle at this godly hour what takes you on these on these midnight exclusions maybe it's a vacation from the children that's what it is see i was about to say that this is only there's a few things that has a man [Laughter] you know on a quest at those godly hours of night

well yeah i mean we all need our man cave right [Laughter] [Music] so i'm gonna say actually the way i got into your into your videos i don't know how long ago maybe a year ago two years ago was uh through the poetry of john alia oh wow yeah and it's a poem today yeah i tuned in a little bit late but i'll catch it on the uh when it's uploaded but uh john ilia was actually a very good uh friend of my grandfather oh whoa

no way oh my grandfather his name was his pen name was gaurak puri hazrat kodak puri during his time he was locally famous for his poems and i remember my mom actually shared a story once where john elia came over to visit at their home so he knocked on the door and my mom my grandfather told my mom you know tell him i'm not home right now tell him like you know i'm out somewhere or whatever

so she answered the door and he said yeah he's not here right now like he's he's out so he just went across the street and he just sat there for a little while and then after a little while my grandfather looked out the window saw he's still there so he goes to my mom and he says you know tell him to come back right tell him to come inside so my mom goes to him and she says you know uncle like why are you still waiting out here she still refers to john ilia's uncle like she cannot call him by his uh by his real name she'll just say like uncle john or uncle or whoever she's like why are you still waiting here he's like i knew he was home

i'm such a fan of uh bless his afterlife you know it's i feel that sometimes to produce that kind of poetry that there's a a huge kind of torment that that soul has been through you can tell you know you watch him on youtube you could tell he's a troubled soul and and and people that are troubled souls what they do is they become a um they become a like a candle that is set aflame

they burn in their agony whilst they give light to others around them and people find solace and comfort in his words and they find wisdom and profundity and and and he had to i guess kind of sizzle and you know just agonize his way through them because yeah it's um but he's he's a great uh you know he's just a great person yeah my uh my grandmother was actually inspired a lot by that agony as well my grandfather died when my uncle so they were total of four brothers and sisters and he died when my youngest uncle was

still just like five or six years old he died of a heart attack so my grandmother would actually you know she would i mean i mean she would you know teach like tutor in english by like for money she did other things for money and she writes a lot of poetry now as well and whenever we hear her poem it just brings this somberness to the to the crowd and you know i don't remember the urdu lines of what she would say but a lot of your grandmother yes yeah and a lot of her poetry even till today is similar to that nature right where she'll say you know you know i'm like a tree that i gave

straight to others while taking the rain on myself and that kind of things because we had four children to to look after and god bless them i mean people you know they oversee the struggle of you know this is in some ways it's it's it's it's a plot twist the struggle of the mundane what is deemed to be the mundane the struggle of the everyday you know the the catastrophic struggle of the non-struggle that people you know because people don't say oh parenting oh you know like having children because everybody has you know more or

less let's say it's it's you know people having children is not something like wow so child rearing child but the struggles the hardships that life then you know navigating through life with those kids it's not you know may allah bless uh everyone who really every parent i mean and and people and you know parents who struggle may allah um may allah grant them the ability to overcome their challenges and to kind of heal to heal because people

it's interesting you know i said to someone that their mate of mine were chatting and i said when you think of it like take children now i said imagine you you you take out all the emotionality related to having children and you stretch it out and there's going to be all kinds of elements there's going to be joy and you know love and there's going to be all kinds of things i said really when you think of your life i said because there's going to be this cuteness phase and all of this and then this is probably what you know just whilst they're young and then they go through their teenage angst and they probably hate you and and then you know the only time well into adulthood when they well maybe their mid late 20s maybe

30s they start maturing and then they actually appreciate you but then you're kind of way too old or probably dead and and i said well you know like you put all of this out in front of you and you put the love and the joy and and there and i said and most of of the emotionality with having children is really under just like anxiousness and anxiety isn't it it's like it's like there's just an anxiousness always oh i hope they're not they don't get ill or i hope they haven't hurt themselves or i hope they haven't done this or are they okay are they you know it's like a constant on edge

you know may allah bless seriously i guess you know our own parents and every parent out there because you know there's and then people i guess there's no right wait there's no book i mean people i guess today there's tons of books but there weren't books for people really on doing this so people say well you know my parents were oh they were cruel they were this they were that and you know they did a a bad you know bad parenting and we have to really just let go and you know it was what it was you know we it's everybody just kind of thought they

you know they just it's like you're on stage go and they just had to fire fight and then you're off next person and it's yes because it's when you think of it all the anxiety and the anxiousness you think how the hell do people cope and you think in the past when people were having so many children that kept dying yeah how was that happening i mean not how was it happening but how were they coping yeah it's yes i don't think you realize the um that anxiety and the anxiousness until you've had your own kids right it's you know it's what they say like heavy is the head that wears the crown right anyone else can stand on the

sidelines and say oh i would have done this xyz way but when you have your own kids and you're going through that and then you realize that you know it's it's not easy and there's never a right answer and i see with my parents as well now that once i've had my kids and you know now they're like their grandchildren they still have that anxiousness you know they're still worried when they're sick they're still you know worried if they're doing well or if they hurt themselves or whatever so it doesn't actually go away it just kind of transfers from one to the other and my grandmother mashallah like you know love bless her life she's lived long enough now to see her grandchild

great-grandchildren so she has in total if i'm counting right 15 great-grandchildren that she's seen yeah i see so i'm just bringing up the sorry there was a chat thing stuck there just bringing that up uh yeah i mean it's so may allah bless seriously um these things really we got you know what i got to do a theme of one of the whole show just on uh parenthood and and the relationship because i also appreciate that many people are kind of battling with the wounds of uh the rel the parent child dynamic and

relationship they faced as a child so you know many people are growing up and they've got um insecurities they've got trauma they've got complexes they've got nightmares they've got all kinds of stuff because of the parent child dynamic and they don't know then how how do we navigate through that and so i think there's all kinds of um things discussions to be had so let's let's have that inshallah one of the days but shukran for sharing that with um was about john ilia an absolute legend who lived in you know i'm sure his life was you know speaking he has this poem

where he says he says such a life that could not that would have been impossible to live that is the life let you go um so through my life and kind of my own journey from allah has blessed me with the ability to seek knowledge in different

ways so finished my faith at sort of a later stage in life maybe i was 17 or 18 when i completed my memorization of the quran you know studied locally and today you know by the grace of allah along with my regular work and whatever i do in my uh like as a career um i have the opportunity to give the football on fridays whenever i'm not working and one of the things that i struggle with is speaking to the general massive in the general public in a short 15 maybe 20 minute segment right and how do you

target something how do you bring a topic up that would benefit enough people that it benefits everyone there and this is this is the this is not the sermon this is the just the speech that you're going to give that's engaging them like for 15 minutes or so before exactly okay sure yeah okay well yeah so what would your thoughts on that be because i remember when i first started i was quite young still i was maybe 20 21 years old and my focus was always you know address the youth right youth problems that are going on whether it's drugs or violence or whatever it might be of youth related issues but i mean

obviously here in canada we have a very aging population just like anywhere else so as i look out there do you call them asian no no aging aging oh i thought you said we have an asian public human population as well there's a lot of stuff well i don't realize because i thought that's just a uk thing we say we call south asians asians here obviously in america they call it i often struggle with bringing about something to speak of that would impact people and not just be

your typical all you know be a good person and follow with prayer salah and do all these kind of you know stuff that people would often tune out because they'd hear it and say i've heard this a hundred times before but isn't so complex that in 20 minutes i'm not able to you know what i what i would say is i mean this is how i would do it i don't know it's obviously so i guess some suggestions is during the week if there was a certain theme that i came across like maybe something's happening and i think well

you know what i want to talk about this this week um i would just make a note just say for example like let's say there was um something let's say there was some kind of massacre and you want to speak about you know what's going on what's okay like so you just made a note look i'm going to speak about this and then fine during that week maybe you might you know you might think to yourself here you know like maybe you know when you're just thinking and you might be thinking about the topic but to yourself you're just thinking you're thinking well this and and oh yeah what else maybe you look up some verses maybe you look up some hadith kind of narrative on it and

and you just discuss it and you just when it comes i would just talk at most if i if you have stage fright or some element then i would just make bullet points like let's say i'm gonna make four bullet points and i'm gonna talk about these four things i wouldn't write out what i'm gonna talk i'll just list the things now i would just do that yeah equally during the week it doesn't have to be reactionary to something it could just be uh spontaneous organic like maybe you're thinking you know like what what is the role of older people in our society that could

be a discussion because i actually feel that we um you know in the western society western world it's there is a void there is a void for the elder person because the elder person in western society becomes defunct and uh dis just becomes irrelevant immaterial to the discourse they're just old grumpy put them aside like sure they live there but nobody really they don't have any considerable input but that's so unfortunate because these people have spent an entire life amassing

an experience a story you see in certain cultures we and this is how it should be that when a person has reached that stage they they have a sense of wisdom or experience or even a story to share and this is something people can tap into i tell you where we're seeing this now slightly we're seeing this now in some way with the phenomenon of things like mike tyson yeah you see the phenomenon of mike tyson is he's emerging as a kind of i'm not say i don't know whether he is a granddad but he's emerging as this old wise person who

people now want to listen to because he's old and has experience of life this there is a void you know for this placeholder in the west and i think that's that could be in a topic in itself but i think sure i mean you know you can think of certain things of saying look i'm making them they don't have to be reactionary you can kind of set them out i mean they could just be religious themes as well but they don't have to obviously they're always going to have a religious nature to it but yeah so yeah man i don't know if that's of much help at this hour but yeah it definitely

is i mean i do find that when i do prepare my sermon or speech or whatever you want to call it um it falls falls in line with that where i can't write something out word for word because i'm saying it's the best way yeah once you start talking it just kind of flows and then you look at the time and say oh like just let it go let it go like that that is the best way cool well much love i've got a few people waiting i'm trying so take care do drop me an instagram message and i'll watch out for your page as well okay take care people that was baja from toronto canada all right there was somebody's mentioned a super

chat let me just i missed one they said um right this he edits all right much love for the superchat thoughts on simulation theory so yeah i i feel that sure i mean you know in many ways is this world not a kind of simulation i i feel in some way it is i i do feel in some way but it's different because the simulation is very real it's not see people say well if it's a simulation then why can't i just put my hands through the wall it doesn't work like that um

yeah see how did the dimensions work and what do they are we not like like in a kind of computer game if you like but but it's been created ultimately by allah but this it's like again allah says know that this life of this world is but again allah and one way is well it's a game within but what if it's a game without as well you see so uh simulation and that's the way it's not obviously conclusive but the mathematics points in that direction that because look plate backwards this is what you do

is you'd say well okay this is um um um so let's say by reasoning what you do is you would say okay let's say this was a simulation if it was what do you think we would find in it to be a simulation so you play it backwards and i don't just mean like how we would find but they would look out for mathematical coding and then they've looked into astrophysics and seen

all those mathematical kind of correlations to what the postulate states so hmm so it's interesting then there's a bunch of lectures on youtube on that you should watch them i do find it i think i can't say it is but i i feel that it's more towards it being a kind of simulation in that sense and that would make sense as well with no aliens you see it would kind of make sense um yeah you know once i had this i was in this state of consciousness where i experienced all how different dimensions coalesce it's really strange but it

i don't know i guess in the moment it made sense because because you know you have these 10 different dimensions or whether it's 11 according to certain theories how do they work how is that one dimension within the other and and so in that you know in that experience of trying to understand dimensions and in that level of consciousness where i was i experienced that it's not how we think it's like i saw them as different dimensions it's not how we think within within within it it wasn't like that

and i saw that this sounds really strange that that it's connected by the eyes and it's it's like an inverted like what if you see you see like we're here and this is all hollow but what if this is inverted and it's within and through the eyes everything is connected with with reality and it's kind of almost stitched and it sounds absurd but it's like saying imagine there was an

inverted balloon like it's it's like let's say an inflatable you've got an inflatable uh not just an object but a series of objects that are connected and they're inflatable but they're inflatable in this way that the things are inflatable and then there's gaps behind them but what if it was inverted and it's actually the gaps between them that are invade inflated so as to give the perception that they are inflated

it's interesting sometimes we sometimes [Laughter] right so let's an individual thing okay it's something

and but anybody that seeks the truth okay as the arabian princess has said or as allah says you see this is see to arrive to the truth to allah it is only because it is with an untaped tainted heart and then this is an in the other verse that you know that we will show them our signs

and in we in themselves in everything from the cosmos to the quantum the signs see and one way is that until it manifests to them that this is the truth or the other way till it manifests to them that he allah is the truth

allah you see this the heart gravitates it it has this yearning like a moth to a flame but it's just the world it's distractions it's people it's people having distorted things make you you know turn you away from the light they make you dislike something they make you sometimes hate something but it's not really you know it's not the but shukran shukran and you know what allah you know bless you and bless your journey as well i mean and we're all on

a journey you know and dumb to be happy insha'allah right so [Music] right okay let me bring on uh where are we at okay we've got actually you know what i need to write right i was going to say oh you know what i'm going to bring i can't really put anything up people you could take a look at the verse whilst i put it up give me two three minutes i'm going to quickly do my subah right this time just coalesces

again always i'm removing this from all

right we why is hello hello hello lolo i take it this is working right why is this automatically reducing my volume right let's bring some people on we'll try to uh um right we've got perfect da'wah of right perfect how are you i'm good i'm good we're where are you joining us from perfect tawa what's your name yeah i'm joining you from sweden and um yeah it's very very early here and i

wanted uh to talk to you very much uh for for a very long time but because unfortunately the timing is quite bad you know is there like five uh six o'clock oh this time yeah yeah yeah yeah but anyway finally i could talk to you uh i talked to you actually a long time ago one about shaytan if you remember oh i remember

i remember yes yes i thought in in the you know uh comment section some people were you know somehow mocking and so on it was uh i i would like to say that i have seen many youtubers they try to bring uh you know non-muslim to islam and unfortunately i've been trying to tell them that we have a lot of problem and misunderstanding islam and uh and i have heard even scholars say that 24 of young muslims they're living islam so i've been trying to tell them is that you know only 24

24 there was a scholar another precise number what he said yeah he was saying and for example this uh scholar uh what is it uh dr philippe yeah he was saying that it's the avalanche you know it's going to be a great avalanche you know and and so i always on my channel i always just have my streams about islam and i don't attack other religions you know yes some people say why we don't talk about you know christianity i say no no first we have to learn our own religion before we you know try to convert other people to islam

so many people you know don't understand islam and there are so many misunderstandings and anyway i will yes okay i wanted to uh see if uh once is uh possible because this is a very deep subject and very very uh what is possible sorry uh possible to have a longer conversation about this uh you know the source of all our problems which is shaytan okay and yes and i believe that people yeah most people have misunderstood it you know for example uh when you say that islam is this uh you know the solution to all problems

actually i converted myself to islam because i found islamic solution to all our problems i mean what i would say is that sure well you know what look um sure i mean drop me a message on instagram and sure we'll kind of um we'll kind of pick it up from there and and see where it's going but i think what i want to say is that yeah because i remember speaking to you briefly uh maybe about half a year ago or something or months ago or something and i would say look um you know you said look you've got a

channel you said you're spreading love you're spreading you know positivity you're not attacking people you're just you know speaking the glory of just glory just the glory of god the glory of being the glory of everything yeah so look keep you know doing positive stuff keep being a uh you know a benchmark for humanity and yeah keep doing that man may allah bless your journey and yeah don't worry what about what people say you just stay you know keep keep just keep your eyes on the goodness inshallah so cool and what we'll do is we'll also

kind of touch base on instagram and we'll kind of take it from there i send you a message on instagram anyway uh it might be quite difficult for you to read all messages but uh so i i want to maybe if it's possible uh quick say something about this uh subject that when the source of all our problems is shaitan okay and we don't know very well who the real shaitan is okay so it is uh quite uh you know difficult to to fight the the the problems we are facing when we don't

know the the who the the source is really you know because i say that if but we're going to have to keep it a bit brief just i've got a few people waiting so okay so that would that would that be the message or would you add to that because the source of all suffering and all evil and all harm is the shaytan yes yes and i have we have to we have to know is it possible to get rid of this shaytan or not okay this is the the thing that um i say it is possible okay and islam came to get rid of the source

okay islam didn't come to solve few problems okay this problem that problem and by giving orders don't do this don't do that you cannot solve the problems okay so uh because uh for example everybody know killing is bad everybody knows selling drugs is bad everybody know prostitution is bad but unfortunately there is a force that force people and guide people also to do bad deeds so if islam if islam really want to get rid of the problems okay has to get rid of the source of the problems for example um

if we say that um somebody has a cancer okay and you have to obviously treat the actual cancer so just very keeping it very brief because we've got to wrap this up but just for the viewers what you know that shaitaan in a sentence when you're saying the source of the the actual cancer and needs chemotherapy so the actual shaitaan forcing all the killing and the uh what what what is that shaitaan it is the shaitan as in iblis you mean yeah but the thing is that that's that's the the thing is that i give you a very good example okay because we know the source of all bad deeds is shaytan

so i give you a good example to find it very very uh fast uh mufti imagine that you have a grocery mufti and i don't have money okay just imagine yeah and i don't have money i want to buy food for my family i come and steal from your store okay your groceries some food and go so shaitan fooled me to steal some food from you but imagine that you live in a world where money doesn't exist we share everything with each other you know with love and everything is feasibility okay i come to the store you are there it's

not yours you it is everything belong to allah we just use them like everything belongs to everyone exactly and i take every everything communism kind of thing no let me explain and take foreign i need and say god bless you mufti thank you very much and i go was there any shaytan there that fooled me no the first picture there was a shaytan why because there was money okay i should buy things and i didn't have money another thing is that

this money encourage people to do bad things like for example farmers of afghanistan they produce 90 of the world opium gives them no way i think all of that to be on that's absolutely nobody i think would disagree with you on the fact that look obviously poverty you know causes people to do stuff and um but yeah shukran shukran i dearly do appreciate your your time and your words uh brother um and sure man keep spreading the positivity and we'll speak soon inshallah much love got a few other people i'll try to bring them on because it is getting it's gone

over three and a half hours already so okay brother uh is it possible to invite you to my channel to talk a little bit more about this brother because uh about these things on your channel uh okay would you really want because what would i contribute to the the discourse on i don't know if i would really contribute um i don't know how meaningfully i would contribute like i mean i could contribute to anything i ask you because you are um quite more uh you know intelligent and open-minded okay and uh more more rational for me than others unfortunately they are quite you

know closed they don't want to talk about anything you know unfortunately so that's why i was thinking uh maybe you are much better to talk i mean let's okay let's see let's see how it goes but i appreciate let's let's see inshallah it goes okay even if you're it's possible on your channel but a little bit longer time that we talked about to kind of talk about these things so what i would say is let's let's put it out there and play by ear inshaallah right till then perfect da'wah take care of yourself much love salaam alaikum people that was perfect tawa from sweden an interesting discussion as you can see we have actually had a discussion before it has come on and it was that was quite

interesting as well it was all about the shaitaan and i did remember during this discussion oh i remember that discussion uh that yeah it would be interesting i guess one of the days we've got guri assalam alaikum it's six in the morning over here so you like uh yeah keep going keeping people up there

you know i just come foreign that

would be such a a thing to try to occupy that or to even move into but yeah let's try let's try you know it's getting more like toned down and russia very uh different but i like the new avenue me you know what it is uh uh it's it's not you know it's the the outward is simply a manifestation of the inward journey and it's that i would say that you know there's just been in the last especially the last maybe what

eight ten months or eight months at least if not the last year but especially like the yeah maybe the better part of a year put it like that i've you know just been on this kind of journey of um of of consciousness and just really it's it's been very you know that i felt my if i could say like i felt for once a connection or what with the soul and i don't think i've really

felt these things before in the same way like maybe i experienced similar rich things due to other experiences emotionally but putting emotionality aside i i find myself at a very different um honestly it's just i i don't know i'm not trying to put words on added or even trying to describe it's just a journey like but i find myself on a path i find myself walking um and it's just a step at a time and the path is unfolding as it is i don't know it's not i don't have a kind of like a certain plan or a certain thing

about this it's just i'm very curiously walking the path and yeah and it's very very enriching very nourishing it's very um meaningful for my life i i find yeah so these this is where i'm and so with it there's a certain temperament changes and a certain the way you look at the world starts to change and the way it's just certain things start to change you see different colors all over like almost you don't see the actual colors but maybe the hues of colors in life seem a bit different to you and you

yeah so with it you um you are not i get i guess this it's a journey it's a philosophical question of being versus becoming you are a being but maybe you're on a journey to becoming uh you know and i guess that's a perpetual journey until the journey just ends you know so it's always this being versus becoming and yeah you know you know the the thing is like you know people like us who have been into that loom phases matara surfaces and then university phases and our own research phases and then you

know i do i do get your point a lot because i've been i've had all these phases and i've been now i feel so calm after researching much more life i feel with more knowledge you feel more calm but but then again i do believe i used to believe that firmly but then again it is an individual choice because you know some some ulama i know them and you might know them as well you know i don't want to put their names but they're like big amount but they still scream a lot around like they do have the knowledge but they still don't have them it's not it's not you see you know what it is

it's like what we were just saying on the other discussion it's not information you know imam malik said this so well that he said you know when they asked him about he said he said it is not an excess of information and rewired and just having data he said

but it is a light that kind of inflames allah places it in the heart of certain people it it is not a it's not an information thing the information is helpful in then when in in navigating through that experience in relaying it to others and guiding others so as you navigate through the journey of of the soul on this consciousness you it's it's a different realm it's more about understanding than it is about just information and but and it's more about

a greater realization of things like well insania and compassion and things like this but whilst you're doing that whilst you're walking this path the information you have allows you greater insights it's like almost it's a glasses that you're wearing that because you have that information because you have access to the quran and you have access to being able to understand the quran understand the ulam understand with the fatawa of ulama the legacy that they wrote you can you can piece together things that maybe

if somebody didn't have that access they too can still develop the soul but maybe they just wouldn't make some of those connections with the verses because they don't have access to the verses or they don't have access to certain ahadith or certain traditions so the information is helpful in piecing it together and trying to also help others with it by trying to say hey look at this but if it was just information if we just sat down and just you know here read all these 20 books and by the time you finish them you will now be something else you wouldn't if that was the case the

self-help industry would go out of date with just one book because the moment a person reads one book they would now just be super successful it doesn't work like that it's yeah so you know subhanallah so it's so i don't know what kind of spiritual surprise connect we have but the other day i was just like i've i've gotten so much so much more patient i've just like i've been watching videos of dr suleiman and the other person that posted his story that was like wolfy listens to him too and he's so

but because i can you might it to me because i when i listen to him i listen to him a lot sometimes and the funny thing is you you know as i know that i probably um of course we never talked about it but as you can imagine i don't agree with a lot of izakayas of course especially the story part like a lot of these karamat and these that we i don't actually you know agree with a lot of things you know but i'll tell you what though i'll tell you you know the thing is this there's a different way of looking at it exactly that's what i was uh if you give me a second that's what i'm i was saying exactly now with time

i've gotten to understand what people can have from him if they don't go to that grave part you can take away a lot of sufism it's not like um it's you know you know take it a step further you see what i would say is that you see it's for a moment we have to suspend everything so you know suspend all this you know what people are doing and and judgments and people are going to graves or people are going to whatever because you know in all honesty what you see when one looks you know like that hadith that allah says

that that they we that the eye becomes the eye of god that we see through that you see even people that are doing all these things they just they you see they what they're doing is they're operating from a level that they just have access to like they don't they have like maybe lower you know you know maybe you know these people maybe that they've got obviously less educate they just know certain things they're not that sophisticated in their thinking and there's so many most people look most people on the

globe are not going to be profound thinkers that's just like most people are not going to be athletes most people are not the majority of human will not that that's always elite people it's always a margin now these people they're doing it out of they're not doing it from a place of malice or they're not doing it from a place of uh you know even their ignorances even these people go to tombs and do whatever they're doing it from a place of devotion it's just misplaced devotion that's all and you know it's still it's still devotion of course of course it's still a love but so when we see from that divine lens

what we understand is we start like we we lose all the hate and what we see is like this person actually you know they've this person is trying to make a proclamation of love but it's just misplaced and misguided that's all it's not the person means well they they just haven't you know they just it's misplaced because of whatever a number of reasons that's all it's like a far-fetched example but like you know the other day i was reading someone broke into cristiano ronaldo's hotel room and of course he still signed his things and he didn't give him to into the police and stuff but the point is

still but the thing he did of course was wrong but he did it out of love you know i do believe like people like that are truly ashika rasool i do believe that this and this doctor you know you know you know it's like um it's like the you know when it's said that you don't choose the path the path calls you and in some ways i i heard young i've heard it's a quote of young i think that that people don't have

ideas ideas have people and it's the same kind of thing of this divine divine toffee that it's the path choosing and i feel sometimes some people come into our lives at a at a time that is right like allah i seriously am so grateful uh for me content i probably listen to probably every day can i listen to something

if not every day every other day i listen to if not every day probably i listen to something you know it's it's just i spoke of this phenomenon the other day that we have an oracle that you know to some people we will there will be an a placeholder and the oracle phenomenon is a placeholder some person will be your or like if you that person speaks for some reason it it it works for you like it and what i said earlier on as well with the works of antonio demacio that you see we fundamentally are creatures feeling creatures who

think we are not thinking creatures who feel and you see we we feel a for some reason it clicks when he speaks it hits my my heart it's hard hitting and hard-hitting you know really and it just makes me want to be a better person so i so much value like i've re-evaluated the whole thing i've started to see wow okay i see the art in in even folk tales i see the wisdom it's like what what he's doing it's it's not i don't know if you know he has this video it has this video like 10 minutes you know and it's so absurd it just blew

my mind he has this video i think that were like people standing who would like going for hajj youngsters and stuff behind him and he was trying to tell them that if you go to medina just don't take pictures all the time you know and he said what was he said like 25 times he said to phone chocolate he said it like 25 times and but it hit my heart and he was like and he and he said so simple things like what it is

and i was like it's so simple i just hit my heart yeah for the viewers that's just he's saying that you know you you become preoccupied with the phone like you've got the phone now again you've got the phone now again and you know what it doesn't i get it look the it doesn't whoever what whoever works for someone you know i spoke like maybe some person uh mawlana tariq jamil saba yeah is that oracle voice maybe for some person it's none of them it's only just yousef maybe for some people it's a whoever maybe it's their friend maybe it's the local imam maybe it's whoever you find that for some reason there is a

frequency a wavelength this person has that is it locks into your soul when they speak and sometimes that person changes over time yeah i guess we all change and and change is is i think good you know if it's towards growth um obviously it can be you see the thing about change is when it's happening obviously we it's difficult because it's just happening we can only tell over time that oh this was good change you know when it's happening it's just happening but yeah so uh yeah shukran for sharing that i i appreciate that man i i didn't realize

you were also a keen fan of chef mitsuba that about you as well until i saw i was like honestly i um i say this and then we'll kind of wrap this because i know there's one two other people waiting um i i saw recently that there were some um videos [Music]

and there were one or two videos where um it came up on my youtube so i saw them where uh sheikh misbah hisab is kind of reacting to him he's kind of taking the bait almost and you know between uh i don't know sheikh miswah sab directly obviously he's had such a profound effect you know in recent times on my life as well on my spiritual journey but between us i there's i i know one at least two people who know him okay or have some contact maybe with through someone to him so i sent them a message

and i've said that um i just said that look i'd like to send a message because i you know i feel you may be in contact with i said that not not my message to him as in just if you could convey like as in you'll i said that look i came across some of these things that came up on youtube and my message or my thoughts sorry it's not a mess my my thoughts are just that plea don't take the bait that you know don't get into there is just something so uh destructive about that energy of this back and forth

in this kind of polemics of debate and and i said that look you know what melts my heart with miswahisab is that in most of his videos whenever he's always smiling he's always speaking about love advice always speaking about you know about being just a better person and and i said that you know just be that light man you know because that light is it is so you know it is it is kindling flames in places you could like in you how you can't even imagine it's touching lives and souls and hearts and souls and

i just said that you know this thing this debate thing is so easy to get caught up into and so if if this message can be conveyed by you i said to then my message would just be just don't just don't don't like debate don't take it because it's it's just toxic man and i see look i certain things that um look medicine and engineers up uh you know muhammad ali engineers is doing i understand loki's approach his approach is um it's a scholastic approach here so you know he's it's one way he's involved with look i'm gonna do uh i could you know not i connect with theologian speak

i'm gonna go logically with sequence you know i want evidence i want this i want that everything is very academic and you know but the the truth is like if if i'm going look i i admire uh mirza engineer sab in his own way uh but let's be honest that look what he's criticizing um sheikh miswah sab about if we're going to be honest he's trying to criticize him about dogma but but ultimately he too is dogmatic you know he's not like somebody that is you know as a person who is an advocate

me of of reason i would say like let's be honest he's not an advocate of reason he's just a scholastic person so he's he's less dogmatic less dogmatic but yet still you know inexcusably dogmatic on matters so the question is this it's like well if i'm you know it's like if a person in baseball is playing who plays baseball let's say in some kind of poor approximation allegory is now mocking a footballer for kicking the ball but it's like well you see it's just a different game but you're still playing

the game it's not it's it's like you see what you're doing is still arbitrary sets of rules there's still dogma that you abide by like it's whole theory on one is based on that one hadith of ahmadine i don't even mean that you see i don't even mean in that that's more like his his kind of choices which obviously i would disagree with but i'm not that's not even my point my point is dogma itself you see because when you accuse people of being dogmatic which let's say they are in certain things that they tell folk tales and they tell these things which

which has other functions to it but you're ignoring that and saying look well this isn't proven because according to this set of rules let's say this game of rules this isn't authenticated blah blah blah blah blah but then you see so it sounds more rational it just sounds rational which is fine but which to some extent it is but it's arbitrarily rational now if let's say a person let's say a person shifted the game like let's say okay let's say you remove this and you want to speak about reason let's say you want to speak about what i spoke about today okay the birth of orthodoxy so what makes europe like let's say uh engineer was to be questioned about opinions that he holds that are not in

the quran and sunnah but only hold them yeah so let's let's say today we addressed this thing of of sifat or we addressed this thing of um of of understanding things that are not um so they could they could be all kinds of matters whether a person is going to look at in light of today or just in light of reason let's whether you want to say usual whether you want to say these things are not proven by reason like in fact some of them are counter reason

but you would only accept them because you feel that well if i don't play this game then i'm going to get blacklisted so i i can only you see so i will refuse dogma up until a point but then beyond that i too will accept dogma uh then ultimately it's just a point of where one draws the line it's not a point of the you know of in or out because it's not pure reason it's clearly not pure reason i mean there's it's not so yeah i mean we get distracted anyway look may allah bless them all but i just feel that sometimes

when i see these things and i see almost being challenged as the voice of reason like let's say let's say a good example bugatti gate now yeah um medicine engineer saab would obviously when it comes to bukhari just become dogmatic because not because because to question now let's say with bukhari now you know fine a person wants to accept bukhari but let's say you have the bukhari bottleneck squeeze on fabri mohammed now the whole thing rests on the neck of you know there's a bottle squeeze now this not even conceding to that

is a result of sheer uh program dogma not even conceding i mean one is let's say you concede to it and you but not even conceding to it is simply pure dogma like you're not even prepared to even examine the question at hand because of sheer ingrained dogma so that that's a question right they say well okay well you know if you want to be so let's say logical and rational then you have to be that everywhere but if you say no if we're going to question hadith now let's say we want to then we apply the

same thing to okay hadith let's say uh validation we're going to look at the masa the kind of punctuated equilibrium in that generation that hadith it's so it's so unbelievable that he bases everything on that one hadith and then if you look at the point is my point wasn't his one

opinion my point was his mechanism is dogmatic it's not you see like if you're going to be the voice of reason then and you're going to be rational and you're going to be logical then you have to apply those rules everywhere but if you're going to say well i'm going to attack your dogma for being dogmatic but then you know i too am dogmatic on all of these things then it's kind of well this is like an arbitrary uh and now you know anyway talk about that i would i would really like to listen to your hadith analysis of that hadith as well i've researched it as well so not wait

but one day uh people we spoke quite a bit there we got into uh quite a discussion on i guess the polemics

[Music] so uh engineer muhammad mirza really exposes the hypocritical views and literature he does he does but you know the thing with look uh muhammad you know engineer muhammad ali mirza and he is look he is a scholar unquestionably he's a profound scholar of islam but you see when you say he exposes stuff he does but he you see he's not 100 genuine to the principle he's not i mean

i'm not saying this as a dis sure look may allah bless him and give him more and more and more i mean you know he's doing things with a great cause and he's guided you know millions of people and he is a much needed voice in pakistan just as ramadisa is is definitely a much needed voice so engineer mirza sab is less dogmatic and therefore that is needed because he's calling people to some kind of um rationalism some kind of rationalism um

but my point was that look my point was just when he is criticizing other people which i get it because that's his thing he does that and you know people's you know and i get that because in the past i'd been caught up in that and so when you just you just get so caught up in it you don't you know it's it's it kind of consumes you and so but what i was saying is his thing you see the rational element to showing the hypocrisy it doesn't stop where he stops it goes further

but he doesn't take it further see he covers that part up or he refuses to discuss that part because then it would get problematic you see so it's like saying well look i'm going to criticize you for not following a sahih hadith because now i have a criteria and your hadith doesn't match up to that criteria and i'm being objective so okay so let's take it a step further let's evaluate the sahih hadith and say well okay i'm going to evaluate it according to these standards say well okay but then we're going to

evaluate from uh you you you're going to look at this from from a knowledge viewpoint okay an epistemological viewpoint that how are these things equate how how are these things generating uh you see a certain thing like like look put it like this most of the ulama of islam traditionally they went by the living tradition they did not just go by hadith they made a distinction between hadith and sunnah now you have to honor that that tradition if you're not going to honor it and

you're just going to take this tradition that oh i'm just a very i'm a hadith dogmatist i only go by when the hadith okay but then let's take that further then let's analyze how is the hadith made sahih i say well such and such a person vouched for it so i said well okay let's say imam ahmad vouches for a particular rawi most of the rawi that the people vouch for they never actually met in their lifetimes because they were a generation or two before them or not most but many you know an indispensable number of ruert are being commented and being validated

by people who come at least two generations after them so the question is when they validate them they don't disclose these sources very rare that they disclose disclose these sources so let's say let's say uh saying this person or uh uh this says is this this this only you know the the layer of people that they meet the first layer of transmitters to them sure you could say well how maybe they met them so they had an assessment what about the people one generation ahead or

two generation ahead or three generations ahead how how do you know their memory was good it's like me saying oh i know my grandad's neighbor's uh memory was good so well how do you know that did you ever meet him no imagine i said my great great grandads gen his his neighbor's memory was really good so how do you know so this is a question now because i must have had it through sources but i don't disclose the sources

is that not a question mark if we're going to be objective let's be objective so you see either you now the people say oh but if you do that then the whole thing falls no it doesn't you see because we had the living tradition because hadith and sunnah were never considered the same thing by the school of medina or the school of kufa and hadith was simply documentation so they were like historical documents and the sunnah was the living tradition which we inherited by a living tradition from father to child so you see now what either you acknowledge

the multidisciplinary approach and then fine you know you will you see i i have no problem you accepting this hadith with its kind of punctuated blind spots in the is not fine we're not going to raise it as a as a question mark because you're going to say well your tradition doesn't it's just inherited you know on mass it's a living tradition so fine there's a multi-disciplinary approach so people do their own thing this hadith dogmatist that's hadith relativists but when you say you don't have a right to exist in

islam that's a problem okay because then either i don't know or if i do know then it's a greater calamity as the poet said that you know in kunta fatil kunta tadrifal guys you know what i've got to wrap this up as well so um

no look i want to say here by the way and i want to add this in look no please don't i i'm not trying to belittle um i think he's a great i think he's a legend you know he what he's done people would have said it was impossible to do okay i think he's a legend um you know i i i have my love for him i have my endearment for him i have my respect you know unquestionable respect for him he's a is a great scholar you know i'm not in any way to try and i would not tolerate anybody being rude to

him i'm just saying that look we have a discipline and we just own it and other people have their own approach and they're allowed their approach you know it's this is the beautiful color you know the colorful legacy of islam we all have a different way the mystics in islam have their own way you know they have a tradition the the people who the philosophers have their tradition the usolina of their tradition the fukaha of their tradition the hadith of their tradition the you know people have their own tradition so so and sure we can be critical but let's just now and then concede to it

you know it's fine you know okay we've got these blind spots you've got those blind spots fine you know we we all coalesce we are the umma of islam it's not a a thing you know don't let my words don't understand my words in any way to be weaponized against i'm not i'm i respect i honor i don't i'm just being true i'm trying to be as true to myself as i can um

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was good it was oh i'm trying to think what was it it's just a usually eid for for us is just a very family thing you'll be like siblings it'll be like children nephews nieces everybody together you know my parents it'll be that kind of vibe really and we just catch up joke laugh whatever maybe sometimes some games and that's it really that's how the day pretty much just goes eat a bunch of food and i feel that's pretty much the same globally there isn't much to do in eve generally speaking it's not like like the christians have christmas

you've got lights there's always there's always the afternoon nap though getting up and i must say this time i was really you know i'm not a foodie person but i i was like so i took this um samosas stuff as well because you know i thought let's just take some as well extra and i was like wowed by the samosa and stuff like and see now i'm thinking about it i'm thinking wow it tasted so good and the gulab jamun i you know i i don't have a sweet tooth but i just love that you know when i'm eating i just can't stop it's like like too good [Laughter]

they're relatable i'm not well i'm not a fan of you know you know this i thought again this because the same thing happened on both times you know that you know but this t either i was just remembering the eid before the ramadan one the the event that you know you know memory is a strange thing yeah like when a memory comes to you of something it's sometimes just uncontrollable you could just be

sitting here and you suddenly remember something and it's like like okay so years ago when i'd gone to damascus and obviously i was there and and i was just this is like 97 98 that time and i was just 18 and and i was struggling as well obviously back then you can imagine and uh struggling a bit financially and i was keeping everything thrifty and you know like because i had to you know we had to study and we had to pay this and pay that and it's all very you know that darvish lifestyle that very kind of lifestyle we had on logo and and this this yeah and so i and you know sometimes how would this get this is

just a sudden memory you know because there was this time where um i'd finished some class or something this evening and i was thinking to myself well you know oh um oh i gotta get you know it's okay better be getting back and i was thinking i haven't eaten and i remember thinking you know what like okay what i'll just do is um i'll just buy this bottle of milk thing and just um you know just drink that and they just have this really creamy milk they they used to have in in damascus cereal back then and and that that would be it i was thinking you know i'll just just do with that because i was kind of a bit struggling

and stuff and i thought well and it's it's weird you know yeah i i don't have a sweet tooth yeah so anyway put that i don't have a sweet tooth and stuff so i i obviously like things that are taste nice but i don't really have a craving or stuff really much for occasionally for an ice cream but not much you know it was occasionally for an ice cream it was chandra so just the night with eid being in the morning so that night after you know with the end of ramadan i was i just suddenly had this craving for like first of all i thought to myself look you know what i'll get this uh like i'll order this kind of desi tea

proper made with buffalo milk and this and i thought yeah come on let's get some and i'm looking at the menu and i thought you know what i'll get a i'll get like a a little cake or something with it and it's oh you know they got faluda and i thought oh i'll get a bit of of and oh they got this raspberry i was like oh oh russell and i'm just suddenly having this craving for all this stuff and i ordered this bunch of this stuff honestly and it comes and it's it comes and it's uh you know what is it the eid night thing that the you know and it's all there and i'm trying to eat it and i couldn't even because you know it's like the i eats i just get

you're greedy at the moment out of nowhere i i just had that memory that yeah you know like there was a time like like without trying to think i just thought that you know that time like probably what 24 years ago whatever when i was just sitting at that hillside thing and i just bought that bottle of milk and and i just thought like yeah like i just thought let's just drink this and that's fine and well i just you know look this is like unmeditated like i'm not you know it's not like something i was thinking of it's just you just get a thought and

whilst you're lapping up all this delights to your heart's content and i thought yes you know you know how the lord gives and how you know you know it's not about the quantity of it's about just things in life it's about just just life itself and a realization and it really gripped me man in the moment you know in sun i guess because you know in sun what can an insane actually eat here you know even if you're like a multi-millionaire or a billionaire you're still going to

eat only a certain amount of food yeah how did you mention people being multi millionaires and billionaires i was looking into a story of people going from blacks to riches and they were describing one of the things they missed about being in poverty was food stops becoming special when you are financially well-off yeah when you don't have food well anything that has a little flavor in it becomes very special to you i remember even when i was a child i would look i would look forward too much uh let's say

something that at that time appeared fancy to me i would wait a week save my pocket money to get that meat get that meal on a snack but now every single day it wouldn't have the same things you know it's like existence loses its meaning that to and obviously it's incremental it's in certain things and and then i guess there's a chase to find maybe meaning or a distraction to avoid the melancholy of not having meaning you know on a a is a similar equation that

is hypothetically posed to i know this may be controversial but i mean it will be controversial but to people that for things like veganism and vegetarianism but there is a question that you see people it is it's a philosophical question that i know i know it sounds crazy but um that when you see nature okay remove us but nature when it doesn't have a survival element in the equation it

it kind of completely implodes so if you see the experiment that was um that was done with the universe 25 the the mice paradise and people can search it up on youtube where a scientist tried to basically create a utopia that could cater for up to i think three thousand mice and he starts off with just four and they interbreed and breed and breed and but when they reach a certain amount and they've got no worries for shelter for food for clean water all the time it's and they can mate as they like they can do as they like that it's shocking the results when they reach just a certain stage i think they

only reach about 600 mice or something but it gets devastating like they turn on the mothers turn on their young they start killing their own young and the people become isolated they're not interested in it becomes so that he had to shut down the whole operation they started to not a single mice not a single mouse kind of survives the thing in the end and it was a utopia obviously human beings are different but i i understand that but what not really not that different you look at the world today especially the worst ships falling crumbling in front of our eyes it's becoming absolutely disgusting degenerate despicable you look at what's going on in the world

today i don't think we have ever seen degeneracy to the level of intensity we are seeing today and it sort of uh is analogous to that mice experiment and you know i i know of that experiment by the way and it's frequently brought up into the discussions of all of them fascinating one universe 25 i'll bring up the the researcher's name as well even if you look at the fall of the roman empire they went through a similar phase that they were doing so well that they started it was john kohlhern yeah yeah yeah but yeah sorry carry on

right so the romans when they were at their peak the time came when they started stagnating and they you know one of the features of a declining empire is people stop being rough and tough they start appreciating sophistication over brutal warfare and when i say warfare i just i don't mean going in and killing people or maybe a part of it is definitely that i mean that's not a good part but not really because look at our civilization we would not have gotten where we are today without warfare without campaigns and procedures and walking no i understand

here the world would have been a different place but then the time comes when people stagnate they stop appreciating you know what i find is that sometimes people they have a need to fight for something but they don't know what to fight for so they end up fighting for uh like just odd bizarre things because they because i think within us we want to fight for we want to stand for something so they end up standing for just odd things and you think well definitely i mean we want to achieve something we want to conquer the world and when i say well i do yes in a physical sense as well but there is also a metaphorical meaning to it but ultimately what

happens is people start appreciating all that is nonsensical and they forgo of things that actually brought them to their greatness and loving well you know that discussion aside of i know you are you have a time restraint so i've got a quick question i i i post to you in the comments uh okay that was what exactly is the point of having to work if it's not gonna show up immediately anyway but it it will you know look you know something i tell you it's always been there since childhood you will have a sense of

you know like something will happen and a person will call out to a higher power they will call out to god a child children usually have very little difficulty in believing in god and and i know somebody may say well children have no difficulty believing in fairy tales but the but the god you know the studies on god and children are really fascinating because it's not just like fairy tales it's interesting how how they managed to grasp a concept but we haven't got time to go into that but so you see you as a child let's say something's happened and a person he

says oh please god you know like do this like help me with this this is with the child at that stage that there is already this sense of this kind of tawakkul this sense of obviously we it has to grow with us like we grow it grows or maybe it doesn't grow um i don't think it only comes at the end of life i don't think so i think maybe people mature at the end of life and that's why they notice it more

in that case why do we have a lot of hadith specifically okay that was the jump from all the way to will grant you your wishes maybe you have to wait a little longer but how exactly does that i mean how do you calculate that because that does not happen all the time it's not an exact mathematical science where you put put an order and you get it it's not like that doesn't work like that no so what about the point of making go out because

i believe the reason i pray and i do pray is so that allah does not burn me in hell fire that's it that's what the reason i pray by prime minister but there are times when i will get into difficulties and then i go all out sure i mean i know a lot of people uh are of a similar kind of a mindset but what about the fact that but or there's also a way of you see because see to me that's not it doesn't make sense to me and i get it to maybe to people it does

um which one does not make sense for you the fear sense the fear well i think it is the essence of islam to be honest see i disagree i feel the essence of all religions of all especially islam and the biblical religions and i feel that the essence is it's not fear it's the holy the sacred yeah but the sacred does inflict on us great fear and terms you see now that's a different kind of it's true that mysterium tremendous that there is this kind of almost like a uh uh

it sends tremors that the presence of this and all with this kind of the holy the sacred that is terrifying in a way and i guess speaking i'm referring specifically to verses that clearly describe the horrific nature that god will inflict on like okay so so there's not generally speaking there's no verses in the quran where allah threatens punishment for not doing an act of worship listen there's nothing like that in the quran there's not a single verse i mean if you don't believe allah so now okay

so now we're talking about a different discussion we're talking about belief and then you've got to juxtapose it with what was going on that it was calling against calling away from the superstition and all the the kind of uh the the the the stuff that was going on in that society so okay but but keeping because then it's you see this is going away from the discussion of that of worship because worship allah never says in the quran or if you don't fast ramadan then i'm going to punish you if you don't do the hajj i'm going to punish you because then that would rob the meaning of worship

because if i said to you if you don't worship me and then i'm going to do this then that's the only and allah says worship and if i threatened you then it wouldn't be mukhlas it would just be like you're only doing it as lip service because you're not because you you see if doing something under threat can never be sincere it's just it's just incompatible like if i said to you right okay i'm in your house i've got a knife i've got a gun i say right you better host me cook some food for me and sit down and eat with me

that can never be done sincerely if i've got a definitely i mean i'm sincerely afraid of my life which is why i will host you and which is why no but that no but the hosting won't be sincere now you'll be sincere in what you're doing i'm not saying you're not so obviously when you're cooking food you're actually cooking food i know that you're not trying to poison the food you're trying to actually cook it but that would never be the same you see it never carries the same i can never really say abu safur hosted me it doesn't have the same meaning because i did it under you i had it under duress i threatened you now i do get it

what if that is what you want never says that once in the quran i do get look i do understand that a lot of people do believe that way i would probably i hope not but maybe even the majority of the people believe that way that that what you i very strongly believe so that may and i know a lot of ulama teach it that way and look this is not an attack on the ulama sure like i understand that look they had their reasons and they this is maybe how they understood the overall message of the quran they understood it maybe like this that look oh this has to be balanced between fear and hope and we have to give more fear because you know

the carrot and the stick and people don't listen otherwise unless we don't incentivize them through we don't scare them and because you know it's better for them it's like me scaring you to take the medicine and it's better for you that you take the medicine i get it that they are you know that that their intentions may be good but i i'm just saying the other people who don't see it that way you know it's like there were many of the self who would say things like and we'll have to go into this another time there's many of the sellers from the table who would say things like this that you you know bring me uh this jannah or this

jahannam and i i wish it could be destroyed because people only worship god because amongst other people that you know you people are just distracted by the toys like you don't even actually want god you just want and i get it i'm not saying that you see this level of worship i'm not saying it's not acceptable it is acceptable look any person who's worshiping however they're worshiping is always acceptable allah you know is is everything ultimately is a devotion to god but what i would this is how i see things maybe people don't see eye to eye with me on this and that's fine but to me

it's about gratitude it's about uh it's it's from that door that portal it's from the thing of a kind of connection a devotion even if sometimes it's a lazy devotion but a person thinks you know this is you know yeah this is the least you know a person this isn't even really the least this is like a ridiculous attempt at some form of uh or you know gratitude on my part uh it's not so this is how that's my kind of relationship with god this is how i have a relationship maybe

you know for some people it doesn't work like that maybe the other one works better i'm not here to say to people you guys are wrong i'm just saying this is a different way of seeing things you know uh we've really just got problems it's always a pleasure speaking to you always a pleasure hearing that accent and that voice i love it we've had a lot of comments people saying you need to go to hollywood

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