Who was the first born? Isaac or Ishmael | Mufti Abu Layth

right uh mufti the jewish bible mentions in genesis that ishmael was the firstborn not isaac please comment i don't think the does the jewish bible i thought the jewish bible puts isaac as the okay i thought um his heart it made sense since he uh ibrahim is at that stage um struggling to conceive

um and then there's this clad tidings and his wife conceives so i assumed that it's through sarah no not assume this is my understanding may i say i'm just being too humble for no reason you know sometimes this humility it doesn't suit me you know [Laughter] right so uh this uh so sarah has his um

his his child is half and his smile is through hijab now hajir is the slave girl and the slave girl well okay i suppose unless you're gonna argue that they're very simultaneous because the slave girl is gifted to ibrahim al-islam by the pharaoh because he doesn't have the slave girl and it's when the pharaoh takes sarah off him so sarah is now then with the pharaoh who force force or however he kind of marries her uh and she spends probably i don't know

maybe six months whatever it is half a year maybe a year that kind of time she spends with the pharaoh in his palace and it's during that time that ibrahim alaihissalam is because he's stuck and he's on his own so she um pleads to the pharaoh that he should be kind of compensated and he's lonely and so they give him certain amenities and compensation and also amongst that is harder to kind of keep him company so uh you know this is the the kings of older the royalty of old they're like

you know you bought can bring him that slave girl over there yeah this this should help entertain you that was a different generation of people today it'd be like a cha-cha you bought uh go for a walk [Laughter] you're like a cha-cha-cha only walked from the canaan region all the way to egypt but take it so yes so i mean

and then when the pharaoh realizes he uh breaks it off with sarah and sarah goes back with ibrahim ali sanam to towards the the east and it's there that she gives birth to the child i assume that i'm still going with that is the first child unless hajar during her stay with um unless they're both simultaneously pregnant that's the only scenario i can assume that could could make it work but that's my understanding

yeah hmm and and you know that uh by the way is uh what ahmad what's uh the egyptologist ahmed osman i'm trying to really get hold of him i don't know how to get hold of this guy i mean i'm uh he's a senior elderly um research egyptologist and he's in the uk but i just don't know he's not on any social media i've i got hold of some facebook pages i message them

i can't find an email for him he's not on twitter he's not on instagram he's not i don't know how how how do you get hold of these people i'm trying to get hold of him for an episode of mindtrap because he has a theory that's very like whoa you know it's um it puts everything on its head and the figures and the chronic the people the chronological order is different and everything is just you know he places um

he kind of hints i don't know whether he clearly says it but he also hints that the i mean he clearly says that the reason abraham ibrahim al-islam does all the circumcision and these things is because of the egyptian uh practice of circumcision which to be fair is very believable then because the egyptians are amongst the oldest civilization known to practice circumcision they also have a matrilineal thing which the jews then inherit so he feels that that's inherited because of them i think he's hinting towards

he's not i think i know he is hinting towards okay uh he may even be clearly saying in certain in some interviews he's more clear and some he's a bit vague saying that that ishaq is is really kind of like the stepson of ibrahim alaihi and he's arguing that ishaq is actually the child of the pharaoh and the child of sarah and hence he's arguing that this is why in the bible they taunt ibrahim alaihi salam for the child not looking like him i'm not sure exactly what verses he's

referring to but i've got to kind of read all of that but then he has a huge follow-up of moses akhenaten and the pharaoh and this whole thing of joseph youssef is yuya and this whole thing it's some of it's on its head by the way as in the figures are moved around chronologically so he's arguing that uh that pharaoh that abraham meets is the prophet dawud and it's really like what what [Laughter] but it's at the same time it's like what and he's and then he's giving all these

explanations for it and he's saying look it moses is uh and he's kind of showing all these arguments and and his argument is that because ishaq is then the child of dawood this is why the jewish tradition they always have david in that position not just because he was a king because his point is that they the jewish people in many ways respect david almost more than they do moses uh and it doesn't seem to make sense because david was just a king

uh in the jewish bible he's not he i mean he's a prophet but he's not like moses who rescues the israelites and the first person to call you know preach worldwide about monotheism and um i mean they say ibrahim al-islam spoke of monotheism but he didn't there's discussions on whether he went around condemning other cultures or not but moses clearly is so this is his argument it's it's very you know it's like whoa but it's intriguing so i want to really get hold of him and have a podcast discussion with him i'm reading through his book moses and arkanatan

but yeah cool