The Adventure Awaits You | Meaning with MALM #33

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got it so today what i want to take a look at i'll just bring this up and then i'll go through some of your comments is one i wonder about this concept of the adventure allah it is so important and i think not enough spoken about um share some quranic reflections and guidance from suratul buruj which is about the constellations or it begins with that and also i

thought in i thought when it comes to introducing people we've um why not introduce the legend imam abu hanifa because after all he's so well known while simultaneously maybe not as well known to certain people who haven't looked into his his biography his history his story so why not share that because it's an amazing um just a legend of an individual that

continues to inspire millions till this very day so yeah i thought why not in light of this theme as well of just adventure allahu akbar so people whilst i can see more people are tuning in danielle

much love uh for the super sticker may allah bless you right so love from darwin australia wow darwin australia all right um where's the megon people all right this is uh

nuestra corazon our heart people amy those who don't know it's emmy's birthday or it was i think yesterday so you know may allah bless you right let's take a look at some of these quotes right so bless it people now check this blessed are the curious for they will have adventures all right and on the right hand side this quote i

thought to myself you know this is by helen keller those who don't know about helen keller make a note to read up about her or to watch something on youtube about her she is just an absolute legend and inspire an inspiration from this last century and a woman who was born i mean she was born deaf dumb blind okay so she was a mute she could not hear she could not speak she could not see

and with such disabilities being born earlier in the earlier part if you like or of the 20th century yet she goes on to become such an inspiration i mean she learns to read write she not just read write becomes an amazing incredible author an inspiring author and just really paved the way for people who had such challenges in life but she's not just an inspiration for

them she paved the way for them to to learn for the blind and deaf and uh mute to be able to to to be able to learn and have a an incredible thorough education but also for for people that are gifted with all these with all these blessings of sight and and and hearing and speech for everyone for humanity so i thought what a quote life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all wow

seriously that is not just think about these things when you get a chance all right don't know where this is now the book lounge is on tomorrow just a quick announcement uh but it's not this book that book we've already done tomorrow's book is how i change my mind by michael pollan it's uh it's it's it's about a journey into understanding the world of psychedelics and science so

michael pollan a renowned author who i believe has sold millions of uh of books uh he has books on other topics as well of like nutrition and i mean like breakthrough books but his book on psychedelics how i change my mind is incredible we're going to be reviewing that uh tomorrow so right now a few words on just adventure

the reason right hmm you see each and every one of us our lives are a story okay now and whether we want to see them as years or just chunks periods of time that are defining

themes within our lives they form these chapters and every person wants their story to be known and i think there's there's an there's a wonder in that allah says in the quran that he created us you know that we may come to know not just know as in i know his name or i know her name but to know their story

so something so profound about a person's story now speaking of stories the the challenges the issue is you see along the way we we sometimes get lost and it's natural life what we call life gets in the way we are work family commitments the monotony the

mundane aspects of life and what this does is it builds up them as the years go by it builds up frustration it's like a pressure pot just bubbling away and it wants to just explode with that pressure this is why you see people they have these meltdowns they may have a midlife crisis nowadays people may i mean you say midlife it may be at any point really but people they say midlife well because let's say the

average life is going to be i don't know 70 to 80 years let's say 80 so towards the middle the latter part of a person's life there are certain challenges in navigating through it because one as one becomes more and more settled i don't mean settled settled shore in the world but settled within as one becomes more and more settled within what we find is there that there is a a perceptible void like something's missing

and that thing is our passions our adventures these things are missing that's you know it's not uh and i and i don't mean by this some these things could be i mean they could be very radical like somebody could say oh i'm an absolute i don't know they traveled around they're going to travel around the world it's like a radical show i mean that could be something but it doesn't even have to be that radical it could be that somebody loved to paint somebody

loved to draw they loved to write they wanted to somebody just wanted some travel doesn't have to be something so i mean it could be that somebody wanted to always climb mount everest but it does it doesn't have to be that i'm not saying by adventures i don't mean something so almost death defying or something so uh brazen in that sense but something a spark to your life again and this awaits us

it awaits us at every step and it's not you know we think sometimes these things are really difficult they're not you see there's things you see that there's things that we really want we will make them happen and the first thing to do is start in the start with

envision it that that have this you know envisage what you're what you want to materialize see it see the detail of it in your mind's eye hear it this bless this and then set that first step towards it you will see that things will start unfolding

further i quoted last week a poem and i thought i want to bring that and share it with you it's a very brief um modern style poem really it's by jabran khalil jabran and he says and here it is now he is considered one of the most popular um modern arabic poets and some of his poems have been sung and and he i believe he was i believe him

i mean i believe he was from egypt but he spent much of his time traveling he was in um america he went to america he went to europe to france and he travels about and and he has all these kind of letters that he writes back and forth uh to many of his to many of his darling dears i think i think at least in his letters there's at least 12 different women he's writing to legends [Laughter]

but he's an incredible poet and and and some of his poems have been translated so and his arabic he doesn't follow i think some might but generally he's is it's more modern poetry that isn't so um restrained to the you know the metric system so it doesn't have the meters and he's just saying it's poetic in its style it's not like classical poetry but i wanted to share this that's

that travel and don't tell anyone don't tell anybody you know there's no one that just go i'm not saying be irresponsible sure you may tell certain people but what this means in our day and age what is what is this talking about in our our day and age i don't mean by this you don't tell anyone your family doesn't necessarily know where you're gone that would just be you know that it's not necessarily the most responsible of choices but what this means is more about

that travel and don't worry about having to advertise it all on social media don't worry about the world having to know that you have these beautiful photographs or these and sure maybe you do have photographs maybe you do and that's there's nothing wrong with that but it's not about that okay it's not about letting the it's not about showing it's about

don't tell anyone that live a love story he says a real a truthful live a love story live it out in truth one of truth

and don't tell anyone that live happily live with happiness your geo smile let the world smile right back at you that live side is happy siding

don't tell anybody don't tell anybody if you're happy that is a blessing from allah don't feel that you have to that you have to keep blasting to the world that you are so happy that hey i'm always doing the hey i'm always don't worry about that you see if you're happy it will radiate from you people will know that you are happy you

it doesn't it's not about people knowing it's about you will that you will ooze this this vibe positivity but asadan that people they have a way of ruining beautiful things honestly this poem is so profound i

i would really say that if you can seek an inspiration from this for our contemporary lives especially lives that have become enveloped and engulfed that this is something to think about

that people have a way of ruining they ruin beautiful things and like in some ways i guess people in the past may see this as the evil eye but it's not you see it's not about in that in that folkloric sense but people do have a certain vibe they have a certain negativity that they can bring to the table and it can ruin a lot of things

so i want to share that with us because i thought that seriously i i just find this poem so um you know like a a mantra that's that we just have to keep reminding ourselves that it's okay to to live it and you don't need to keep showing it to the world envy yes of course that's because people have you know they there is an envy and and it's not you know i don't say this in a way to

blame people i don't say this that people i'm not saying this in a sense that people are evil and haha don't share things with people i just are haters and people i'm not saying it from that perspective you see you have to understand people's struggles it hurts people as well sometimes people don't even want to be envious but they can't help being envious you know if you're living a miserable life and

everything's falling to pieces and let's say your relationships are broken down and you've been sacked from work and you've or your business has flopped and you know maybe your kids don't talk to you or maybe you you're you've got you're having major health problems and and let's say something like that is happening and hero is somebody just oh i'm having the time on my life oh i'm in my you know in dubai oh i'm over here just shopping with this person oh i'm just buying all

these brand new stuff oh i'm in a private jet oh i'm just by the beach oh i'm just and that's all they post nobody wakes up and posts you know hey i feel like crap today nobody posts things like i mean maybe some people do but these kind of people don't they don't post themselves looking terrible they post themselves looking brilliant amazing next to perfect picture perfect and then they'll put filters and add extra you know tonalities of perfection so

and you're looking at that naturally you will because you're fighting a difficult battle you can't people can't help but feel envious it's not because they are bad people it's just that they're struggling like every even the person in this story let's say that is posting all these things is not their life isn't that good it isn't as good not a fraction as good as they are portraying to people there's just filters and

things are you know they're not that happy because the fact that they're posting that is a sign that they need people that regularly do this i don't mean just maybe somebody does it as a one-off but the it's a sign that they need they require validation and that validation brings them some happiness so yeah that's so that's the angle i'm coming from not the you know it's not about don't look at people with a uh

faulting eye or a glance look at them in understanding that people are struggling that you are happy but your happiness is inconsiderate to my misery complex um sure i mean i get that but also it's yeah and it it does you know i'm sure and you will get also i'm not saying you won't get horrible people as well you will get horrible people we were speaking on our kind of patreon meetup yesterday

but yesterday day before but anyway so uh that look there is it there's a strange phenomenon with the online world that people online there is a jekyll and hyde effect that people you'll get people that will i mean you get okay so you get the keyboard warrior type who will go online and say horrible things and maybe they won't say them in real life to put to someone because it would have consequences like if you go to someone and say something well you

know they might smack you so it's not it's there's real life consequences well i can't do it in person so i'll do it online okay now that as cowardly as it may be or whatever but it's understandable as in people we can rationalize rationale we understand why these people are doing that or why don't they do in real life well because they're going to get beaten or they're going to get attacked okay put those i'm not talking about these people there's another phenomenon online and that is people who generally

are actually quite decent people they you know they're not actually people that are evil like if something if they saw something they would not let's say they saw something happening in in real life they would not be if it was bad they would not be happy about that they would not be you know these things would distress them if they saw an accident if they saw something but yet when given the the cloak of anonymity online they become incredibly nasty and what's that all about you see because they become something that they themselves are not

in real life it's not about that they are afraid they themselves are not even like that and that's just madness honestly that is wow you know it's i i guess in some ways it's power but you know the power of anonymity being invisible

yes so i think yeah it's a medium to vent i get that but you also get people so you get that medium to vent thing but you'll get people so for example let's say there's a let's say there's an accident well there's an incident let's say there's a an incident going um i'll give you an example i i saw there was a clip it was it was an american clip um some people they there was some traffic um

oh no there were some cars parked up and and there was some people outside of a car young men and this other car pulls up and uh these guys come and they they just pull out some shotguns and they just start shooting these people and they shoot one of them and this is like this is real this is cctv it's not a movie and they shoot them and one tries to run he gets shot and then he gets shot again and most likely these people die or it seems like that unless maybe somebody manages to save them after the clip but it seems that whoa and it's just and there isn't much context okay they're

young men maybe there's clearly there must have been some rivalry but but you it's not obvious from the clip what's going on like it's not very clear that let's say that they are gangsters or they are it's not clear from the clip from what you're just seeing of the people so okay now i remember just seeing this like it came up on the news feed on one of these you know you get these channels and you go into the comments and it's hilarious like people i say hilarious in a shocking way it's not hilarious i mean it's very unfortunate like you you're

going to the comments and people will be saying all kinds of things like they'll say ah did you see how he was shaking whilst he's dying on the floor ha ha ha ha the person would be oh they're just saying all kinds of things haha did you see how his leg got blasted off did you see how and i'm certain these very people would not in real life even if they didn't know the person condoned like they that would not be their reaction it's just

zero empathy and and and that's the strange thing so i'm not talking like in these incidents people are not venting anything they're just being cruel and nasty but it's why just because they can it's as simple as that it's not like there's no i mean there's no it's not a rational thing it's just people are doing it because they can yeah it's a strange world strange

um right so okay let's move on people oh i'll just bring up some of your comments right so

sure sure yeah i mean it's not about you see people did this studies actually done on these you can't i mean people don't psychologists don't clearly have the answer but there's speculation why is this what is this about what motivates this kind of behavior but this is a very new phenomenon that humanity is seeing it didn't exist before because this platform didn't exist like this not for the common person so now the common person can just take become invisible and they can you know cloak and dagger if you like and and

then they can just go back to being a nice person it's crazy see because in real life you could be a very nice person be somebody who smiles and does things polite and yeah well it's i guess this this is one way of viewing the concept of the the jar i guess one way is this illusory reality um that we are increasing that that is um inc you know it's incrementally

growing to completely consume us so in our own lifetimes i mean i not like just the last within the last decade we have seen decade and a half how the online world has gone from oh that's fun that's oh that's interesting i can connect with so and so to that's becoming our main lives and it's also this uh which i've spoken of previously this panopticon by which we constantly watch over each other

especially muslims there's the muslim panopticon is really i think it's so toxic um now i think this panopticon phenomenon is spreading to um just i i guess the broader society under the council culture so people are becoming very weary of what they say unless they get cancelled in unless they get cancelled now or maybe in the future they get cancelled so yeah that's um but i think muslims many muslims have been living under it for a while

especially in the west and this whole panopticon which just governs that it just kind of watches the old watching eye that just judges each other so i'm judging you you're judging him he's judging her she's judging them they're judging them it's just everybody's under the the glance you know this kind of recover what they've done is it's tried to embody the

the almost the divine attribute of allah is the one who watches over but humans trying to embody this concept is just an abysmal failure because they are not infinitely merciful so yeah shukran much love for the super sticker may allah bless you right people uh

all right so speaking of social media and certain events we might as well mention them um this last week on the last few days firstly the there was a um a punjabi popular singer by the name of siddhu muse and he had joined indian politics late last year and he's in an incredibly

um inspiring individual for many i mean his songs are obviously very popular they were global hits super hits and you know it's been put on these lists of upcoming artists that will are influencing the world and all this stuff but not just from his songs perspective he is an individual was a great um humanist and he had many charitable projects and and just he spoke a lot for justice and this is why he recently got into politics in india against the bjp

which is a fascist right-wing um group that is currently in government in india and so no sooner did he join them that definitely the threats got cranked up and that was really shocking to see that he was shot dead and there's certain clips of him and he and his and he'd made all these hit these stances for just serving people and and i'd seen a an interview of his where he had he was he was asked

um about his lifestyle or something and he said that look he said people said make try to criticize me but he said look i've basically i've look at my success like he's incredibly popular wealthy he's like one of the leading artists in the world he said i could he said i could go today i could move to he's lived in america he's been to different parts of the world he said i could live in america i could live in canada i could live in the uk i could live in europe i could live wherever i want but he said but i choose to live in the in the pinned in in the village in punjab he said because this is where i want to show people

that you see you invest and you don't just invest you live up to and you do something for the people where you're from and he was from this so his point was that even though he had this success story of from rags to riches but he wanted to remain amongst the people and the i think the government had recently they've not only removed his protection so he had certain bodyguards and things let's say they removed his security detail but they also leaked it i mean what the hell is that about only in a country like india you know could they do this kind of

stuff and just get away with it they leaked somebody tweeted all the top personnel whose security detail has been removed and they just leaked that i think three days or two days before he got shot but yeah salam you know it's it's it's sad to see just how human beings they allow their toxicity to consume them that we have the capacity to be such great sources of goodness

and some people they just you know they let the darker side consume them yeah so i just thought i'd share that in other um news yeah that was um yeah uh in other news what's had come through today i had to comment on this i thought it's the johnny depp trial people you know why i this has been so it's been going on for about six weeks now or something

and it's really symbolic so johnny depp had has won and mostly so he's been uh he's won the defamation trial and he's been awarded 15 million um that's what amber heard has to pay him and she won a count one of the counter claims where she can claim 2 million but she lost all the others and he overall won the trial so why why was this significant you see this was significant because for a number of reasons on one

hand i i feel it kind of marked the end of the metoo era so the hashtag metoo era that's where this really boiled up and it was part of that where and i do think that look this is not too belittle um the struggle of people who of especially women who have gone through any kind of abuse may allah aid them and and deliver swift justice

for them i mean but it is equally true that it you know this this thing that they were so that this culture had a kind of reactionary culture had to some extent emerged where any kind of allegation was just a death sentence a person is makes an allegation and a woman especially if she made any kind of allegation it was just deemed true until um and and

and i guess at the extremes you we were seeing it with celebrities because with the common person who cares you know it's like nobody cares about them so obviously it was happening with them as well but nobody cares about those unfortunate souls so yeah yeah and and i guess a person must always remember that look like oh man never let any enmity lead you to being unjust

that always be just this is what allah reminds us that even that even if you have enmity with someone somebody has wronged you it doesn't mean all cases are like that it doesn't mean every time a person cries something cases do need to be judged by the individual merits that it's not just because it's a woman it has to be true that's not you know and i think and i think it's really and and what was also interesting with this trial was that the private lives of these

celebrities got tracked into the open and they were just unwrapped unpacked and just laid bare it was horrible to i mean all these people envy celebrities they think yeah i want to be a celebrity i want to live the life of a celebrity and now you got a glimpse into their lives it's not that great you know you you're actually grateful for your own lives and i think that was something so

important that came out of this trial it really showed of realism to the just the the murky reality that is lived by these huge individuals these multi-millionaires that these phenomenal celebrities and supermodels but their lives are so and in some cases more bizarrely petty than your common person i mean who the hell does she i mean she at one point defecated just

took a dump on his bed i mean it's like what is happening [Laughter] yes but i thought that's something very interesting and it's it was just i think it's just a delight that it's really fascinating it's a fascination really to just be able to see this and see the reality of these lives and see that actually these lives are

these so-called blessings are actually curses and there's there's a clip where is it jamie foxx he's speaking about mike tyson he says i called mike tyson and i said how are you doing and he and he does his voice he said i'm happy i can't replicate it says i'm happy man i'm a happy brother i'm happy so he and he says well okay why are you so happy he says because i haven't got any money i said well why are you so happy if you haven't got any money he says well nobody wants anything from me so i'm just happy and yeah there's a

yeah there's lessons all around us absolutely i mean and i felt so sorry i felt so honestly my heart just broke for his appearance he was a soul child and yeah

mike tyson starts off all praise be to allah my tyson is a legend honestly he is so he's just somebody that's so just amazing to watch that what's become how he's his journey they're making a movie i think jamie foxx is going to play him and it's that his life how it's developed and evolved is just phenomenal i mean it's just beautiful to be able to just absorb that that this raging explosive monster

of an individual that would just tear down any he was an execution machine and he he was you know out of control this is his office unleashed this is what he is just and how he's turned into this loving individual who speaks about love and humanity and honestly i i find him he's he's one of my heroes may allah bless him i mean right let's uh move on

alright so somebody said poem i did have a poem here somewhere actually let me see then we can move on i tell you right did i oh was it this yeah all right let's let's share a poem he's got so many incredible poems but

so he's speaking about how many sorrows and and just agonies have just arisen and i guess it's just observing life as a whole that by your remembrance the flowers blossomed [Music]

eyes that who can teach them what the heart that that with which the heart beats who can teach them that or make them understand that he's uh legendary person i mean he he he lived a strange life he kind of went ended up wandering and

and there's a bit of a story i'll i'll come to that that these people you see people who are critical people who are very you know that bring the wrong energy that that it's that maybe we've kind of ended up in your village your settlement by accident we've lost our way

see this is the problem you see poetry in translation it's often lost because the word she's in arabic poem it comes from the word to to to feel that poetry is experienced less so than it is understood so he's speaking about her you know mesmerizing here and he says in it that the the secrets of the of both worlds have been hidden

that it was because of the roses sagar that we put our hands like entrenched our hands into the thorns it's you know a swift poem but really brings back that this importance of of others i mean there's many ways to understand it but one is about doing something for other people everybody can do something for themselves but for other people

i mean his poems have been collected in um it is uh definitely worth if you're into urdu poetry it's it's a must he is um foreign

you see it's a play on words here it's quite see today maybe people won't i don't know you know these are because religious discussions have got to scary people but as poets they would often tease and he's teasing the zahid you know the ascetic religious figure but often there's a um there's a skepticism when they call the zahid or the wise or the there's a skepticism that the religiosity is only on top it doesn't really go down to the

heart this is this is often the motif in poetry poetry he says that if you want he says you seek out the of jannah that there's an ardent desire for the of jannah you know the the beautiful huri's the women of jannah he says yet a disdain and a hatred for alcohol [Laughter]

your deep knowledge of this deen seems to be mistaken the reason what he's playing on here is that in jannah there's alcohol you see the same quran what he's playing on is that way you hear the verses of the who are similarly those verses that also incentivize towards an alcohol in paradise so he's saying well how can it be that if you are so either you're not interested in it all but if you're so driven for just the the women but then you you have a hatred for the alcohol teasing

early but this poem of his you know this jesus this they say that there's a little story behind it why not i i can't remember which pakistan leader it was i think it's was it a yub han or one of one of them general ayub i don't i think so but anyway he was on some visit diplomatic visit in india and so when he's there he attends a poetry festival sorry a poetry event

and and somebody reads this poem and he's like wow there's some particular poem and he's like so impressed he goes over to shake the hand and the person says well oh he says don't you know who wrote the poem and he says who and he says so he says who's that he says wow you don't know sadiq he's from pakistan you know you're from pakistan he's from pakistan how do you not know sagar city is from lahore in pakistan so now this person thought wow okay so he uh he goes back and he he he you know he he says find this i want to meet him

and eventually you know people ask and they get about and and then somebody says that he'll only meet you know he's not interested in coming to meet you somehow a message comes to him and he's not interested so this leader was so intrigued that he says i'll go to visit him but he doesn't know what he's like he doesn't realize this he was like face values like destiny i mean he wasn't actually he came from a stable background but he chose to become like just a wanderer and so he ends up in lahore and he's asking people and obviously this is the lead and you know you can imagine all

the prestige and and people say yeah you know yeah of course you know you sure you want to meet him he's he's over he hangs about in that by that alleyway there's a bunch of them they usually they just they're homeless they just kind of sleep there or they sleep by this bridge or something and and and he goes there and and he he introduces himself he asks are you sarah siddiqui and they all got quiet and and he says to him that oh i've heard so much about you i'd really want her to meet you and sagar asks him why

and he says you know i heard your poem and i thought it's amazing and i'm by the way you know this is who i am i'm i think i believe it was a youbhan i think i may be getting the name wrong but he says at that point sagar says that just ahead what was that poem sultan

that he said that in an era an era in which the poor people the poor have the the wealth robbed from them then surely the leader of that era has committed a grave mistake and then after saying that they say he just looked at his his kind of crew and they just burst into this ecstatic laughter themselves and just completely blank the other guy just went back into what they were doing

but yeah it's this there is something in poetry and that in itself is an adventure honestly it's something that that is something um people who's not is there some people not liking the stream let's see all right okay so how say your beard my beard somebody's got an issue with my beard cello you know

masha'allah what we can say is that look people who people who have a concern they have a concern it bothers them that much that this person's beard isn't like my beard or it isn't what should it be by the way a fistful is this the and once again according to what madhhab but then i suppose maybe these people don't follow methods and that's another you know just that's another tragedy for traditional islam

that people refuse the the scholarship of the great imams that have come for over a thousand years a continuous method which has many fatwas in it but yeah it's true i mean nothing new but yeah but i get it that look people you have to understand something your islam is for you okay if somebody asks you share it

otherwise trying to instruct fatwa and teaching like imposing sharia on people telling them this is the hukam it is haram for a person who is not trained in islam to be doing that you cannot do that just as you cannot go around advising medicine now you can't somebody may say well i can advise the basic things you see and i think the key thing there is two things advice you can advise as a layperson something

like saying hey i've heard this maybe it's like if you know let's say something happened and i went to a doctor and he gave me some antibiotics and now my mate asks and i said well you know i had something like this happen to me you know i took this and i took these vitamins and i took this and now that's just a suggestion you can do that in islam but you're not allowed to instruct you're not allowed to teach okay you can teach sure to those people like your own children or who you have a responsibility but to

be able to teach them it's really an obligation for you to have learned and if you are not learning and you're just worried about teaching and you may say well i've learned from my share sure but the other person doesn't follow your share your learning isn't to teach your learning is to learn yet once you've learned go with it a few decades at least go with it what's the rush you know it's it's faith your commitment to god shouldn't be so light that you know you think you've fathomed the entity of this deen

overnight it's not the deen is is much deeper than that as the quran says this is you know it's it's not something to be taken lightly but yeah but i i i think one can admire the enthusiasm but there's no place for this panopticon you know this where people are trying to judge each other there's no place for this not in not in in in my world and not in i

wouldn't advise people to really be a part of those circles and to even put up with things like that so yeah because it is it is clearly haram clearly you know something if a person is teaching as in imposing the akam of islam onto another person and they are not an alim of islam that means they have never even in their whole lives read the entire quran with meaning they have never studied hadith at least you know

at least the major books of hadith some of them they've never studied usual hadith they've never studied the books of they've never studied they've never studied they've never studied that even to an intermediate level with all the efforts they've never studied they've never studied these things about islam then for them to be instructing suggesting is you see your suggestions are neither here and it's like me suggesting medicine not really my place to do so but if i

said it to a friend it's neither here neither there you know if they if i said yeah well you know i took this antibiotic and it worked maybe it'll work maybe it won't but it's not i can't instruct them i can't say go do this that's not and if i do that's with great um you know irresponsibility because there would be harm and similarly with islam and it's funny that islam is the the one thing that you know people treat lightly they think it's so e they think it's that light that they would never do that in other issues and they feel they could do that in islam

it's a disservice to uh to to allah and his messenger sallallahu alaihi wasallam and the truth is the truth is that if islam makes you a person that just wants to judge others then in all honesty you haven't found the true meaning of islam yet that somebody said something about da'wah in one of the comments and sure you know as the ulama say that

that you know if you want to call towards something calling is not the same as passing judgment see i can invite you that was inviting i can invite you to have food at my place it's the same word isn't it in that sense that you i could invite you to something i could say hey you know this is i invite you to this that's not the same as judgment is kada to pass a judgment on something and right and that is something which is clearly haram in islam if you are not

qualified but it's once again it's treated lightly with fine you know it's not somebody claire said shots fired no no shots fired this then don't right the phenomenon might be the misuse of amar bill maher roof yeah it could be but it's not the misuse it's

just people who don't have you see people don't have um people don't have they you see actually ties in very well to the theme of your adventure awaits you that these people don't have an adventure of life in life so it's that they want something so now okay they start praying

and becoming let's say they start becoming practicing muslims and that's wonderful you know you think that's that's got to be one of the most amazing blessings surely you're going to be somebody really happy now you're going to be smiling and you're going to go around just helping people because you've connected you know you're developing your connection with god and you're going to be contemplating and you're going to be just this better person of version of you but know

become miserable become toxic become judgmental and in fact self-righteous that i'm better than other people because why because i pray i'm better than these people ah you pray you don't pray you you don't press this way you you don't do hijab ah i'm better than you you don't keep a beard this way i'm better than you

such a person you just tell them that you are better than us allah bless you huh [Laughter] may allah keep you always better than us [Laughter] such people it's you know one can it hurts to see such people because they're suffering intolerable agony

and yet they're so close to the light and they can't see it see because the irony is they they found religion and yet they missed it you know the hadith the prophet sallam he warned of a certain people he said that beware these people that were referred to as the khawarij yeah he said beware these people that when they come he said that they will judge you he said that they they will judge you

that you don't pray as well as them that one that your salah will be nothing compared to them they will always they will often pray they said your actions will seem so as in your religiosity will seem so small compared to these they will often be reciting the quran and doing all this you know you'll see them in big big beards and big big things and all these this very the attire and the prophet said and they will often be reciting the quran and yet it will not

yet it will not go down beyond the kind of jokey levine that it meaning that it's only just a voice it doesn't reach their hearts and the prophet said and they will miss the deen how like an arrow kamayam the way an arrow misses its target despite being so close to it it's like they've but yeah you know may allah guide them and help them help them

our concern for the better proof that we are on the right side of humanity yeah i think if a person you know what just do your right just do your um your thing in helping people do you know that that a person will know a person will know if they are um you know when you're doing something good it will you will feel it it will prosper

as allah says in the quran that yen foreign it will prosper in the earth speaking of verses let's share some thoughts on suratul which is the 85th surah of the quran i'll go through some of it and then i'll share some thoughts i just wanted to we'll go over briefly the 16 verses of it it is in total 22 verses i believe but we'll go over just these and then we'll come back to

um certain nuances of these verses that really shed light and help us and give more meaning to our daily lives i mean right so awesome and i've put up the translation there as well that was sama that allah is taking an oath by the the cosmos okay the cosmos and the constellations that it contains

well yo milma rud the promised day was and by the witness and the one witnessing and it's interesting that uh ibn jose the great maliki spanish scholar he uh from over 700 years ago in his tough seat he writes that you know there were almost up to 32 opinions on what this what this verse meant that's amazing

that destruction to the people of the pits okay or of the ditch and nadi that this fire that that was prepared is whilst they were sitting on it and whilst what they were doing to those of faith as what what were they do they were torturing and we'll just come back to to this in just just a second that they themselves were a witness

now once again many including ibn jose amongst others they mentioned several a bunch of opinions on what is who is being referenced to in these verses some people say that it was this king and there's a story some people say no it's just uh refer it's it's not anybody it's not about a specific people as in that's not the point allah is just mentioning a people that once tortured some believers um and there's a bunch of opinions but the the story or the the narrative is that certain people of faith

were tested and punished for their faith but whilst they were being whilst they were being tested whilst they were being tortured put into agony by these people those people themselves are shahood you see they are a witness to their own actions

and sometimes it's you see it's just it's a belief and this is interesting because as we take this away it comes down to belief is just an it's something abstract that people these people hated on them to the extent that they tortured them over what over just a belief like something they couldn't see it wasn't something it was something in the hearts and minds of people so

unto allah is the dominion of the heavens and the earth i'll just bring up the next verses then we'll just come back briefly that these people that that tortured and did these things that tested

those of people of faith that do they think that there's nothing there's no consequences no there is severe consequences there's severe punishment for them there's so agonizing torment for them as well that inna s and people of faith they have an incredible reward a reward here of janet of this of just bliss

immeasurable unfathomable place valley fossil that is the true success then in about shadi now this is arguably the reply to the qasam that was taken in the beginning that the seizing of your lord that when he seizes you it is severe inna

see allah he sets things into he origin he allows them to begin he's the one who gives them their beginning where you are he can bring it back what he is the most forgiving most loving one of absolute majestic grandeur see allah is he does as he wants now

this verse you see so this we've got you just bring this back oh right um okay that's better so we've had here's these verses speaking about and i'll just take this back as well okay i don't know where if i've done that okay yep i have yeah so suratul bruce so we've got in this surah

it begins with the constellations going right through these alts the initial verses you can see here you just bring it back there it is ah right so the first

the first few verses it begins with an oath several things allah speaking about he begins allah begins by taking our glance to the cosmos you see the heavens that the cosmos that possess all these constellations and you think well one thing is well okay i mean that's amazing but what else

from these that can we reflect upon there just looking up at the starry sky is something that fills the human soul with all the famous saying of kant emmanuel kant that the starry sky above and he said that some of he said two of the most increasingly uh um all striking things two of the most two things that strike

the most all for for any individual i mean he was speaking for anyone but primarily himself he said is one the starry sky above and two the moral code within and it's interesting that there's a link this luminous you know what kalyan mentions the luminous this there there is a link by seeing the cosmos we are filled with this all which then awakens within us this morality

was wrote you see that the promised day it's amazing because all you see one way of you know one of the amazing nuances you see that you can read this verse is and that's the i keep saying this that that's one you know the amazing thing about the quran that every time you look at it it gives you an a a nuanced meaning to add meaning to your life that well your milk because on

one way is that the day of judgment people are the afterlife sure that's obviously the but another way that another nuance from these another meaning is that every promised day see we all have in our minds a time that we this kind of oh when this happens this kind of milestone or when i do that or when i graduate or when i get a job or when i get married or when

i have kids when i buy this when i set up my company when i get to do this when i get to this there we all carry there is this this archetype of the promise day and it's amazing because it we are all in some on some kind of we are all driven towards it but it's like we never reach it because when we reach it it's it's like it didn't mean what it meant from afar and now it's

another target was allah look the witnessing and many people have said well allah is the witness the creation is the witness the star some people said shaheed some people said there's so many the ummah all these things but one way to look at one of the you know the a beautiful glance at this verse is insane

in the sense that you see from the cosmos to us that we are the witness and the witness that the universe itself we are a part of the universe we are specs within this whole universe and we were a part of it but the universe gets to observe itself and witness itself through us

it is it is our consciousness this gift by which the universe becomes conscious so to speak of itself through our consciousness that it sees itself through our eyes it hears itself through our ears it's beautiful that the hadith see speaking of from there and tying it into ethics there's a hadith that allah says that a servant he does things that are beloved to me

and he keeps doing them until i become the eyes by which he sees the ears by which he hears i become the hands by which he reaches that there is this fusion tying the wording of that hadith ties in just so rhythmically with the verse where allah says

you see where lie saying he becomes these things he says where he asks in san that why is it that you i fell ill and you did not visit me i was hungry and you did not feed me i was destitute and you did not listen to me and and then son says how can i feed you

allah says was someone so not hungry had you gone to feed him allah had you gone to visit that sick person had you gone to help that person in need in difficulty that hungry person thirsty person destitute you would have found me with them

from one perspective the hands by which that in sand reaches the glance by which he or she looks and sees by what they touch and hear is god metaphorically in the hadith could see i know on the other hand on the other on the other side the receiving end where they are feeding they are finding god

and insane is a witness to himself whilst he is witnessing and he is the witness and through him and her this whole universe is witnessing life in its brilliance and glory

and when you observe all of that you realize that yet sometimes people can do some horrible things people despite all of that that unfathomable glory they can do some disgusting they can do some denigrate they can be so just wrong allah gives the example of some of the worst people ever then then how about a people like this that

were to torture and agonize and torment and let's make it worse what if these people were only doing it over a belief structure they were doing it over iman which is in the hearts and minds of the other people it's not even a possession i mean sure even animals compete over you know resources so you could say well they're just being animals they're just fighting over gold and silver and land and territory and resources but no the worst of the worst you've got here from asano takum to us

that these people they are torturing the worst of people doing all this to someone just because they have a belief they have iman they have faith i mean it doesn't get any worse but you know what even such people whilst they that do things like that are a testament against themselves and they are actually there is a damnation for those people

these people who do such atrocities they don't get away with it it begins right here it begins within it is consuming them there is a torment is burning them in this world it begins from within

and then allah brings it all back from after that because you see if you've got this example because you've begun with the cosmos you've gone to ethics you've gone to well what about people behaving in such a way allah reinforces that look if people are to do good righteous actions they will always find place

and then sealing those verses see allah reminds you that with all allah is most forgiving he's not like humans he's not like you see people they even if they forgive they don't forget but with allies like as though you know the hadith says that a person who realizes some wrong that they have done when they make amends sure if there's to make amends with people you make amends with people but where you've done

something and you just feel i've been you know i've just been a wretched person and you try to make amends with yourself with god it's like it never existed that there's always the doors of mercy are always open most loving and you know this dude it's that love that kind of um it's it's the it's the kind of selfless love often associated with like a mother towards a child it's not exclusive to but it's like that like in the hadith

that um you know marry when somebody's asking what kind of he's asking the prophet for some advice the prophet says marry such and such type of woman that you know he says marry a woman with this that is loving and it's often associated with that's not exclusive you do get the poem um see if we if we can achieve love from you you know

everything else it's it's cool and all that is above dust shall just be dust these verses i thought wow that way allah is then reminding you of his mercy but also reminding you of his of his will god does as he pleases but in one way that's a reminder that hey don't transgress but on the other hand it's a reminder that if things can always change for the better

you know you have to seek things out in life and it could be from the tragic to the mundane we spoke earlier on about people who are stuck in a mundane and that mundane is an agony and that they need this to let the this kind of adventure of life they need to step out on it and step out towards it it's this is a spectrum allah's will is everywhere he's reminding you

you see allah will bring back see as the verse before you oh what you ain't you see you've had let's say you've tasted happiness before you've tasted jewel you've tasted contentment one way of looking at this verse allah will bring it back again and again you see you just have to you have to take that step the famous hadith could see that allah says when my person steps towards me

i run towards them see so when they step to with me i walk towards when they walk towards me i've run towards them but that's metaphorically but it's the hadith it's for us to take that step and i see that how these themes are sequenced in this surah it's it's it's just wow honestly it's so amazingly beautiful like beginning with just just the first few verses are enough to mesmerize

and we all have a promised day don't we and sometimes it's amazing how the illusion of that promise that we have that we we we set our own promise days and it's the ultimate promised day but in sana inside and not to not to be misled in sun you know on one hand is this crazy little thing inside but then washer heating

i want to share that with you honestly i find so much just just grandeur in these verses ah really it's something it's god you guys have to study arabic seriously study arabic because it just brings a different flavor you know when you read it it it it has a different mother different taste to it it's good good stuff

bless us all i mean let me take some of your comments i've seen i've missed some super chats kabir the heart is like a mirror do not prevent it from being broken its breakage is more dearer in the sight of its maker than its safety quote mean to you mufti yeah i i think that's an amazing quote you know it's um first and foremost for the super chat may allah bless you keep you smiling i mean um you know speaking of iqbal he has that s

if somebody has the capacity the capability we will we have quite a legacy awaiting them the adventure see they just have to take that first step the legacy awaits them see one who seeks we have a new world awaiting them and this this this um piece of his as well the heart is like a mirror do not prevent it i think uh i think you mean here that do that

that do not allow it to be broken or is this the other way do you mean do not prevent it from being broke hmm okay so if if it meant so for example if it's in do not allow it to be broken it's it's clear i think that's very clear the meaning that um the hearts are sacred do not break somebody's heart and many of the great mystics you know you'll get people like bulesha and all these people the the poetry and many of the legends of islam have written about how

the heart is you know do anything but don't break the heart of an individual so that would be the apparent let's say if it was that angle that it's more dearer to allah but if it alternatively it could be as a vault as a kind of like a a turn on its head for for a shock and all and in that sense if it meant the heart is like a mirror do not prevent it from being broken its breakage is more dear in the sight of its maker than its safety then i would understand this to mean that you see the the mirror because

you see the mirror in many ways although it's a source of great goodness because it allows us to rectify ourselves it allows us to straighten out what's wrong it allows us to do all of these things but yet the mirror is equally a a source of um you know of really uh glorifying the ego and the mirror is also an illusion because it doesn't really exist you see sure you exist but what you see you see the reflection doesn't actually

exist and in many ways by extension the world that we see you see much of our world really just exists in our mind like let's just be honest much of our world exists in our mind like from right now from places to concepts to ideas to thoughts to sentiments to all these things are being felt in the mind to our own story to the narratives to the meta narratives it's all in our minds and then there's like an inter subjectivity by which we we we kind of

we tap into this this world which we create and that's wintenstein's point as well that you know that the world is it's in there that we even if animals could speak he says you know even if a lion could speak english we still couldn't understand it because our world is different now in that sense breaking that mirror would be to to to break the illusion and to embrace the reality albeit a void but in that void is is substance because you see you've done away with

just this mirage so that's how i would understand it from that perspective but it's definitely it's very profound very profound um there's another super chat i think i just missed it i see saracen mufti australian sheikh hablas was caught on camera during a sermon saying that a person who who well who does not commit themselves to salah is worse what is worse than someone who prays and commits other sins can you explain

ah right okay so so first of all shukran for the super chat may allah bless you keep you smiling shukran i mean i mean you see uh yeah i think what you're talking about is an old quite an old clip um if i recall correctly because i think at the time i made a facebook post on it and that was way before i used to there were any such things as facebook lives so it must have been i think we're talking around um probably i don't know what was that like maybe 2015 or maybe something like that so

talking a long time ago i take oh reasonably when i say long okay relatively so there was a clip where he had said certain things and so i don't know whether he still see so has said that i i did hear from certain people that he regretted saying that and it's not that i allahu alam i heard something like that from some people a while ago years ago that he did want to take it i think he took it down but people have shared it so we can't really um do anything about that and

i don't know but look see that i guess is one of the problems of the internet as well you know this ever seeing guy and the panopticon and this uh then the modern keraman katibin it's the internet which is a disaster because unlike in allah's realm see there's mercy there's infinite mercy but the court of public opinion these are not nice but what was being said then was disastrous and uh kilameters and it was you know nothing short of a cataclysmic um you know just

ah yes so it was what was being said was if a person was the worst person ever if a person was a murderer a rapist a drunkard an alcoholic a drug drug addict a child a kidnapper a child abuser molester it was all these people and there was a person and he prayed salah he would still be better than a person who doesn't pray salah something like this and that's categorically wrong okay that's not true at all at all um

i think they may be quoting something from ibm or something uh where he's made some statement like similar to this something like this i think i've read something many many years ago so it's been a long time probably two decades ago i read something so i can't recall it exactly but i think something along this kind of sentiment not exactly the same thing but similar that kind of mentality but that's clearly not how mainstream muslims believe things so for example terrorists who kill people pray and

let's say most muslims let's say 95 percent of muslims don't pray five times a day probably like most muslims in the world don't pray five times a day so most of humanity muslims and non-muslims combined in the world today do not pray five times a day okay whatever the percentage now you could take a terrorist like let's take isis now isis who would butcher people and they would blow up masks and they would rape women and they would kill children and they would kill they and they they blew up do you remember when uh they tried to there was some attempt of an explosion in medina in the prophet's

mass they were trying to blow something up this this these are terrorists like like that like isis the absolute uttar hwarich but they would pray more than most of us you see they would pray they definitely pray their five salah so they according to this theory would be some of the best people on earth according to god because most of humanity does not pray so according to that theory these people and this this is really an extremist ideology to think that so long as you pray you could be a terrorist but it doesn't matter

any muslim that's preaching that is unfortunately very dangerously brainwashed and that kind of speech you have to be very careful of okay very very very dangerous yeah very very dangerous that speech that said i think the video that you uh that i see sarasota spoke about here about the australian shirt i believe that video is very old and i don't think he was saying in that context and he wasn't saying it about terrorists and he definitely like from what i heard from people allahu alam that he was you

know he he was regretful very regretful about what he said but he felt that i he you know it kind of got healthy now and he didn't he he got carried away in a speech and i think from if i recall correctly i think what he was trying to do was he was trying to encourage local thugs and gangsters to um to kind of come there had been some kind of a killing and there was some kind of a funeral and after that he got some of these people because in um in australia the muslims are have unfortunately as well just as in certain other parts of the world um there is a

huge kind of uh thug and drug problem with the muslim youth that they have been drawn into that culture in dealing drugs and running the drug scene so from what i heard is he was trying to get some of these people and draw them a bit closer as in if i can get them to just pray then you know hopefully by praying they might do another little good thing and that might just bring them a bit more to the mask and a bit further away from that and a bit further and so if that was the case from what i heard then he you know okay that that that intention is is uh coming from a place of love

obviously the words were terrible but and so i think from what i heard he he said he got he said it wrong he didn't mean to say it like that allahu alam um look any you know we all you know this is the thing it's yeah we we have to yeah we have to be careful but at the same time i get it you know we're humans but we say things sometimes and we later on think oh damn what did i say the but we have to focus on preaching a message of humanity and love and really the greatest thing you know

for insane is and the greatest way you can serve and find god see like in the hadith i cited that where do you find god you find him when you're feeding that hungry person you find him when you're helping that person in distress you find god with them you visit the sick person you find god with them this is what the hadith said these are the things that show righteousness you see like the hadith like the verse of the quran quran that we covered in a previous lay s

mindfulness of god and mindfulness of god it's not just is he just worshiping a lot sure that's great but see that's just between you and god see that's you and god but you have been put on this earth to be amongst people as well so how do you behave amongst them that's your true sign of faith see this is why if it was like if it was about a burden the prophet would have just sat in a room and just prayed he would have the prophet al-islam would have been uh you know considered a lil uh abidine

but no the prophet's title is see it's not about ibadah the prophet said nobody enters paradise by nobody succeeds in the afterlife by ibadah he said it's by the grace of god but it's about the prophet was a mercy for the world see that's something a brother is it's wonderful but it's your thing you know it doesn't mean anything to anybody else it doesn't even it's nothing to it doesn't benefit god but it's just your devotion to god

it's a personal thing but how you behave in the world that's your measure of iman i hope that helps all right okay so um all right i'm just trying to read some of these verses i will share out the clip um

all right so somebody said is hoblos now guys don't guys rise above this kind of stuff don't say don't you know what don't say you know what what you do is you bring toxicity onto your own soul don't don't you know what just wish people well and if he look if that was his case and he did do it like this is what i heard then you know may allah make things this is the problem with the internet internet is non-forgiving you see the

internet something goes online you've had it oh this is it people they and this is another thing people constantly record themselves they put everything online that's another you know self-imposed jahannam yeah but yeah um right so uh okay i wanted to share some details on i thought let's introduce

i say introduce everybody knows the legend because what it's a name that we hear so often about but simultaneously maybe some people ain't so familiar with the great imam and i thought maybe i could speak on different occasions about different imams and introduce them to you right so imam abu hanifa that's his kunya by the way abu hanifah and some people they become more popular they like ikuniya and they use that as a name so

abu hanifa is a prime example like abu huraira from [Music] these were not their their names these became their names like it's a kunia abu something um abu yusuf abu hanifa's student so you get people abu leith i i use a kunya as a name so some people akuniya is it's just it's an adopted name and imam abu hanifa his actual name was natherbits

his ancestry was he was of persian ancestry um he was born in 80 hijri so that's about 70 years after the prophet sallallahu alaihi he was from the either the the the the the lower end of the taberain or from the upper end of the tabata in those who come after the turbine so you have the sahaba the companions of the prophet then you have those who come after so he's either from them or from the the the the tabata who come after them

his parents and sorry his grandparents are the ones who embraced islam i believe in the time of uh some people say in the time of um or some people say in the time of ali but they were from a they were from a wealthy background and they embraced islam and they were from originally from kabul in modern day afghanistan so i don't know whether that makes some pathan maybe i don't know but or maybe more farsi speak but i don't

know because he would have spoke he spoke farsi so i guess but i don't know whether back then so you got to go back you see at least over 12 1300 years ago so so at that stage i don't know whether pashto was developed or not but yes so he was from his his ancestry was from kabul his grandparents moved towards iraq and so on they embrace islam he himself is born in kufa in the year 80 hijri some people say that there's a myth that his grandparents um

served a gift to and they were they were great hospitable people and they served a gift to say na ali who made dua for them you know this is and this is something as well look one it's something try to give gifts to people and also if you receive something nice try to make a dua for someone and try to gift the gift of dua to someone you see it doesn't cost you anything to make a dua you know may allah bless you may allah

keep you smiling may allah you know fill your life with happiness i mean you know it costs nothing why do we struggle to say this to someone it's because it's something in ourselves a disease we have the heart man so yeah so people say that some and there's some stories that you know like falooda there's uh i don't know whether it's the same falooda but there was an old dessert known as falooz and some people say he served the grandparents served that of that to you said who in turn made

allah bless your family or something and they say that you know as a consequence of this you have the legend of imam abu hanifah in that family but he was born in the 8 year 80 hijri he grew up in a world to do family that was from a trading background his parents his father was also a trader uh um into you usually i mean i suppose there were many different trades but they were into cloth and fabric and textiles that kind of trade and imam abu hanifa didn't actually grow up

inclined towards islamic knowledge and that kind of stuff he wasn't a part of those circles so obviously he was a muslim he i'm not saying he he i'm sure he was a great muslim but he was just a normal muslim he wasn't he was a businessman but he wasn't a scholar of islam who used to go to circles and some people say he memorized the quran as a kid but i guess in that day and age many people memorized the quran as children but he wasn't inclined he you know he grew up he was a young man he was into business he was doing well very well in business and they say you know you were

the most expensive of clothes very stylish clothes even right through his imam ship he always maintain that style he you would often wear you know like dapper clothing and dashing style he had and he would he would be very innovative with his fashion sense now they say one day he as a young man so i'm not sure what arguably in his maybe 20s which was quite yeah it was quite an age because back then people weren't you know those who got into seeking islamic knowledge

got into it when they were just maybe from the age of 10 so this is now you fully developed your grown man you know your business man you're thriving he was walking through um in iraq once and he walks past shabi the and he was a great imam has his own method very well known shall be and he walks past him and shabi says to him uh he looks at shabby and shabby looks at him and he and he says salam and he calls him and you know abu hanifa who at that time he's just not a man he walks up to him

and shabby asks him like who do you who do you hang out with where do you hang out so he says he says i hang out in the marketplaces businessman so he goes he says he said i wasn't talking i didn't ask you about this i asked you which of the halaqart of which of the academic elmi circles do you hang out with and he says he says

he says i'm you know i ah i go to the markets you know i trade that's what i do so shabby looks at him and he discerns you know there is something people can some people they have a gift of reading freedom you they can see something in you and about you and he says to him he says he says make it your business.

to go to those circles he says for i see in you a brilliance an extraordinary future like i see in you this light and you know this these words they they struck abu hanifa quite strangely and he he went off he couldn't shake them off and then he starts he thinks you know what okay let's go to these circles

but he and this beca this becomes the beginning of an absolute new life-changing adventure for who was naman ibnathabit into becoming this metamorphosis into this legendary imam right so and the journey begins the and he brings with it you know we had this quote earlier today um which said that i'll try and bring it back up

all right so you can see it there all right just as i bring it it goes right so ah yes right so this there it is i'm trying to press pause it just doesn't pause that's better it finally does right so it said blessed are those you see and he speaks about that that

are the curious for they will have adventures now this is it because you know a curious mind it brings something that's just unmatchable so imam abu hanifa brought this mind that was on fire he brought a soul you know he set his soul aflame with the love of this helm of islam and he really he starts they say the first thing he started learning about um some people say it's

other things then he got into fear he got into tafsir he studied all the and he became this legend of an individual and so renowned his is as the years went by his reputation just it spread like wildfire he had um studied he studied under many people but he keenly uh took the tutelage of a great sheikh of iraq hamad ibn abi sulaiman and there's another hamad as well ibn abi salma but this was solemn

and you can see that who's a student of us words and the other great early iraqis who are a student of abdullah so you see this legacy coming down now after hamad had passed away imam abu hanifa became that central figure in kufa there were other people by the way in kufa he wasn't like this there were people like sofiana thori there was ibn abi layla there was there was a bunch of people in kufa but imam abu hanifa you know his reputation spread because hamad was so huge and he was a key student of hamad and then he carries this torch after and he loved hamad so

much that he named his own son is his name and yeah so and he becomes what he sets into motion or not sets into motion really but he concretizes this school which becomes known as the school of reason and he was a legendary voice for the voice of reason honestly a legend and it's so inspiring and and you know something they say about imam abu hanifa that he

you see he had this charm and i mentioned before he had this epic everybody even centuries after him they would cite his fashion scent and you may say well what's so special about fashion you know it's off the world but you have to remember how imam malik said he said that as a person of of knowledge you become a symbol to people and this is why imam malik often worked on his physique and they say he had a strong physique and he would eat every single day imam malik would eat a certain portion of

meat for his protein and when asked he said it's important because it helps with the posture and it helps with your physique and stature which then has an impact when people meet you and are in your presence so similarly these things were they did play a role and so for they say that in his day and age there was something about long sleeves that had become a new fashion and imam of hanifa would often have these kind of things but i guess with notoriety you get as well

hate and he was imam hanifa was subjected to an immense amount of hate as well a lot of people hated on him there's a lot of false propaganda about him people said you know he his islam is made up they said his islam is just based on desires he's islam everything's halal according to abu hanifa you know he had they had this this kind of thing about him um that he uses his reason that he uses his opinions that he would speak of so this thing of imam of hanifa if you read the early criticisms

of the scholars that were all in his day and age and just after him that were hurling criticism it's full of all of this that they would say oh he's just you know he's just absorbed in fashion he's just he doesn't you know it's just all about opinion personal opinion he just uses reason over the quran he he's a deviant everything is permitted according to him he doesn't declare things haram he doesn't you know all this kind these were it's so interesting that when you read it it's like wow nobody would think that now because he's he's

this legendary imam now but in his day and age he was given a you know he had a lot of love but he there was a lot of hate as well but something you know the thing about him is okay some of the hate came to him from maybe certain voices that were maybe rivals and things like like sofiana thori was a great imam but he often hated on imam abu hanifa which

wasn't really you know a good thing to be honest but you know i guess things happen um and and they lived in the same town as well so you the you know the rivalry was quite bitter but imam abu hanifa as far as i'm aware didn't really uh diss him to uh as in i'm sure he may be joked about but i don't think he um i've not ever read imam abu hanifa uh you know being venomous about others i've heard others being venomous about him similarly you see with imam malik now

imam malik is a bit different because everybody respected imam malik you know he's he's this imam malik is one where even those who didn't disrespect him allah forced the love of imam malik in their hearts so they couldn't you know there's just this thing about imam ali he was on another but him and obviously abu see even when they criticize each other that um they um but they keep it reasonably they're always respectful dignified imam malik does imam malik also felt that you know his

opinions weren't they missed the mark but he didn't disrespect him like he did say that you know he said he said i met a man who had great understanding and knowledge but he says if only he built on a firm foundation legends you know i'll tell you something there was this time where all these imams got together wow and just imagine if you could be a fly on the wall so it's in the prophet's mosque they all got together you had imam malik

and i believe you also had sophia anthony um i'm not so sure whether it was sufyan or he was abdullah mubarak but there was these top four i mean these were the heavyweights of the world you know wow and they just really sat there and just discussed they just sat there for hours talking to each other it was beautiful honestly just knowing that they met it excites me

and it's interesting that afterwards they asked imam malik what do you think because imam ali was a dawn of madina you know he's the imam he's the legend isn't he so they asked imam malik afterwards what did you think of him he says yeah he says that you know he says that if he wanted to debate you that this pillar was made out of gold he he would do it and he would win meaning that the pillar isn't made out of gold but he would still not only would he if he wanted to debate you on it would he do it but he would win [Laughter]

it's very sharp you see imam hanifah was so he was so quick-witted this was the thing about him and yeah and the thing you know so his wits so you have many cases in his day and age many people would come to him where they would be stuck in religious things and you would find loopholes for them and and now some people criticized this they said that why was he finding loopholes and you know and this is why his student muhammad he also has a book a book of loopholes these kind of legal loopholes now you see so they're seeing it as

always a loophole as in you're trying to but imam hanifah wasn't seeing it like that you see he was seeing it as that i'm he was seeing it like that i'm helping people to i'm welcoming them and creating ease for them in this faith that this faith is not rigid i'm facilitating that they fall in love with islam this was his way that he would often you know his fata were things like he used to say imam abu hanifa's fatwas

if a person struggled with arabic he could read salah in persian farsi he could if a person never knew a lot of his fatawas are like that they're like well oh if you don't know this just say this if you don't know that just say that if you don't know this you could do a lot of his for tawa are just about making ease and ease and ease and people obviously they took it the wrong way and they weaponized it against him tried to say oh my god you know you said oh you couldn't you know oh you could pray in farsi you could pray in persian

allah but he was you see it's not you know it's not they they missed the mark like they're missing the point he wasn't trying to say change islam he was trying to make it easy for them you know people not everybody in his day and age spoke well arabic a lot of people remember it's the early tabeen era a lot of people are embracing islam is the omega era and he was trying to create ease for them you know you can still pray don't worry when you learn it then do it you know right now oh you only know farsi do it in farsi

you know there's this honestly there's so much to admire about the imam and i feel in many ways his his spirit is the same spirit that is needed in this day and age yeah and he um he did he did get into he found himself in some difficult times at least on on two he at least found himself in two major uh inquisitions okay a victim of one was in the time of burning omaya and then one but and that's his imam abu hanifah's political side

because even though he himself didn't rise up in politics but he took a stance to support or he gave you know he stood in solidarity with um [Music] the the political so the uprising so the albeit the family of the prophet see because in bani omaya's time you know the the issues of the family of the prophet and and then there was the the the rising of zaid zadeh ali you know the son of zainab abedin

kind of stem from and there was that uprising and imam abu hanifa um it's this is what what is written is that he um supported imam's aids movement against bonnie umayyah and he was he got into a lot of trouble for this and he had to he fled iraq and he came to makkah for uh quite some while and i mean he moved around and then he went back and but he you know he faced some persecution but then this was in the time of uh abdul malik so maya are then after that quite weak

anyway and you ha and they say i think in um 130 hijri he fled uh kufa and then it's only around that time 131 history when labas take over their buses take over so he comes back and he and then he gets into trouble later on with the abbasids but you see the abbasids they did recognize the uh respect of imam abu hanifa on one hand they did they clearly you know a lot of people don't know this but abu jafar al-mansoor commissioned when he was making baghdad he commissioned abu hanifa to be the chief what would you

call it today you'd call it like like the project manager he was the chief project manager of when they were constructing baghdad for four years he was supervising the project i mean he was these weren't just your any you know these were very not intelligent uh accomplished individuals they were huge and remember by this time he is imam abu hanifa he's not just any just

and he has many students many countless students notably you have uh abu yusuf also known by his kunia yakubu ibrahim is his name but he's known as abu yusuf his main one of his main students imam muhammad who actually just studied with imam abu hanifa for only i think maybe two years if that but but the but he transmits the books in the method the main books from the imam which are known as there are six books they are all written by imam muhammad ibrahim he's the real voice

of the hanafi method that christ you know that starts setting the institution into motion as in because in imam abu hanifa's time it's more a spirit it's not the letter it's not structured it's not an institution after him the institution begins really with the likes of imam muhammad imam abu yusuf you do have also people like suffer zufra is actually a senior student uh of imam buharifa but delegated to the third position we're really in many ways he you know it's that's another discussion should he be

number one or how should he be but allah i think shaykh atabek has some interesting points on that but then he had many other students as well there's these are the main students but the books get documented really by muhammad he has this top collection known as the zaheru rivayat the apparent transmission that's what it's called and they are his his major book the assal or the mobsoot then you have his jamal khabib jamie sareer cyril kabir syrac these six texts are the mother texts

of the method of the transmissions from imam um you know imam khanifa i believe that they are over a hundred thousand issues in them hundred thousand merced these then get summarized by um what's his name um [Music] which is then expanded on by uh in his mob suit so that's how these transmissions get transmitted but that's the method

you see that i always feel there's a difference between imam abu hanifa and his mother um that's a different discussion you know for another day you know we have an opinion on that maybe people agree with it maybe they don't i feel that his method kind of along the way as the generations went by they lost that spirit and the more centuries that went by became radically kind of institutionalized and and you know as a dr sherman jackson says in his uh from the states he has this term that there's the crypto shaftization

of the method so they become kind of crypto chaffees where they apparently hanafi's but they switch because the spirit of the mother changes it becomes all about the letter of the law it's all about things become most things become haram most things are very and i suppose they've got their justifications they're saying that's the reason but but it's very opposite to the spirit that imam abu hanifa brought you know he he brought this trying to make welcome everyone and never say things are uh you know very reluctant to say things are haram very trying to create ease you know oh you're struggling with this well

why don't you pray in farsi or you're doing this why don't you just do it like that you know that to the extent that they said well oh if a person was struggling to make wudu he couldn't find water he's about see in that day and age people you know you might be in a place you can't find water you see water in the past it's it's it's interesting because today water is just on tap so it's everywhere but in the past it's not i mean obviously people had water but sometimes when people were traveling and doing things they may take certain fermented drinks because it was less likely to have

bacteria in it and it's actually more healthy so this is why for example this is why the roman soldiers all you know they would drink beer as opposed to water because obviously the beer had a very low alcohol content but it would because it was less likely to contain germs whereas if you just drank water chances are it's not like water today you know you just water in the past some of it would have just led to infections and it could have been infested and i'm not saying all water but i'm just saying that and it's true islam it kind of forced people to say well no we're going to move away from this whole fermented

uh alternatives and therefore muslims by had to you know necessities the mother of invention so they had to invent all these aqueducts and bring water in and do all of that so that which was great but in his time you might have had people that have nabi which is a very low content kind of um almost like a beer kind of no except nabith would be from really dates so i don't know whether you'd call that up but it was like a fermented date drink so you probably had very low alcohol content like maybe i don't know one percent or you know something like that

so it wasn't that alcoholic but it would have had uh some alcoholic content but it wasn't haram according to the hanufi method because it's it's a tiny amount of uh it's negligible so that kind of um tiny percentage of alcohol of ethanol you see we say alcohol ethanol is not it's negligible according to to that method i know the hanafis have disagreed but according to the early school anyway so imam abu hanifa's fatwa would have been look if you couldn't find water you could do wudu with nabeeth you can take this fermented thing and just do with it

like look creating ease for people and a lot of people would come to the imam when they were stuck and he would help them um find a way out and you know in that day and age as well people as well they're stupid problems because they would you know they would self-inflicted people would take all these customs um and they would say things like uh um [Music] they would say things like oh if i do this then my wife's divorced or if that happens my wife's divorce you know on every other thing there was

and they're stuck they'd come to the likes of imam see because the likes of imam malik were very different imam malik was also a voice of reason but he had like zero tolerance for uh you know if a person came like this oh i said this about my wife i said this divorce he wouldn't be entertaining he wouldn't even be he would just he wouldn't be part of that conversation he would just be gone and he'd be like don't ever disturb me again for your stupidity you know imam malik was a very serious he had a more serious uh tone to him imam abu hanifa was more

a very uh a very jolly exuberant like people's person and and you could see this coming back to his his trade and businessman kind of because because that's how he grew up he was a very you know he's very successful businessman so yeah so people would approach him he would help them he would say well okay do this do this this is a you know this is how it can be and people did they've rated his brilliance for for really doing stuff like that there's a you know there's a uh there's an incident i'll share some stories with you guys right so from

i think i shared this one before once they say that in his time in kufa once this couple were getting married so sometimes to let's say you had a friend or some a relative or even it could have been a dear friend or it could have been a cousin or it could have been someone and to save expenses or maybe just to make it more extravagant you might have a combined wedding as in you know what i'm getting married you're getting why don't we both get married on uh sunday and you know that way we could pool our resources together and we could it could be even better you know and so people sometimes did stuff like this

so you had this joint marriage going on so two people marrying you know two couples so when it comes to okay the zifa zifa in arabic is the the the kind of uh what what they call an urdu where the bride is kind of she goes with the groom and usually and you know in arabic they're very they're not so sensitive about sexual matters so they're very clear that zifa is about going on sex or love making shall we say it's they're very clear they're not like obviously

these kind of words are very nobody uses words like that they just say you know it's just this but in arabic they'll say very clearly it's about bina and it's about the whole and it's about you know uh sexual intimacy for the couple so right so the so after this this whole kind of do whatever they they have in the wedding they it's the first time but people say there's a mistake man the the wives are sent to the wrong mistaken homes so they send this wife to that home and that wife to that home so

obviously in that day and age as well you see sometimes people hadn't seen their husbands and wives properly like they didn't know you know arrange marriages they they just knew okay it's that person i haven't seen him and they just accepted it so now they end up and obviously you know right number wrong door number next to this one they're like well tell us how they get on with it they harmonize you know the souls as the souls gel together there's a music of the harmony of the souls so they had the

the the kind of uh harmonization and they had they spent the the lay letters uh in in a state of bliss with one another what happens is um the next morning one of them realizes wait a minute you're not so-and-so what name did you say that's not the name i got married to i got married to this so they realized what the hell are you sure no it wasn't wait a minute you're meant to be marrying

the other guy who we had a joint wedding so damn so they've realized oh this is a great disaster so obviously both couples find out that they like what the hell you know get the masterminds together so they call upon the great imams of the city of the town to come fix it so this is in kufa so they call the likes of sufyana thori other imams they call imam abu hanifa so they turn up and they say look we've got this problem and so they're thinking and they're in this room they're having a conference and so sofiana thori he says okay he says look listen he says i'll tell you what to do.

so they say what shall we do so they say what you do is uh he says each husband divorces his wife and when he's divorced her they wait a night which is going to be three menstrual cycles let's say just to make sure they're not pregnant and then the new then the other original husband can you know do the nikah with them uh again just for the sake of you know and and they can remarry okay so so this is what and then whilst he's saying this he says i heard from such and such of the self of the predecessors that there was a

case a bit similar to a different case but it had some similarity and this is what such and such ruled and so on so you know imam sufyan authority says this and he's quite happy with his answer he looks around and people are like you know imam sufyan but then he looks over there and he can see imam hanifa not so impressed legend so he looks at him and he thinks he thinks why have you got that look on your face and he says what's up with you and he says he's just thinking he says he says have you got a better opinion he says do you agree with what i'm

saying so imam goes he just makes a face he says well have you got anything better. so hanifa says if i may say please please he says my suggestion he says before i suggest anything i want you to bring the grooms here and also call upon the wives to come as well so first of all the grooms come because they're there anyway and he asked them he says look okay put this you know mistake aside he says how were

you with you know the partner that you ended up with how did you find your evening how did you find the person did you gel well were there issues friction they say look no you know we was mistaken but otherwise we got on really well you know a bit of romance sometimes okay so he says you know they say and he asked the other guy he says yeah look you know we got on really well but obviously we found out in the morning it was you know mistaken identity says okay hang on so he waits for the women to come and he says uh let's ask

them so you send somebody to ask them in private how did you put the mistake aside how did you f how do you feel about the the person you ended up with were they okay and they say yeah you know they're fine i like them there's nothing wrong with them it's just it's mistaken identity so imam hanifah says in that case i suggest that each one of you divorces his original wife

and you do a nikka here right now in our presence with this with the wife you ended up with and you can move right in straight away with her because you the edda in case she's pregnant let's say is from you so because it's the edda is from you there's no need to to wait there's no grace period because even if there is a pregnancy it's your child and that way none of you will have anything in your heart about the other person because you might think bloody hell you know oh she was over there or he was with her what the hell what and these things

might play on your mind so the couple they were actually really impressed and fascinated with that opinion and they went with it they said that that's what we want they said this was a testimony to on the spot the kind of engineer you know highly innovative engineered it's the heart of imam abu hanifah so it's a it's just so there's so many stories like that but i'll tell you something i'll move on to words in wrapping this up but you see the thing about imam abu hanifa

um he he had his elmi side to him he had he one may say a he had a social particular like a political side if you want to say political stature he was known by the caliph he was um you know he stood with imam zaid well when i say stood as in he was in solidarity with him he got in trouble uh then in the time of imam muhammad naf zakiyah which is another albeit movement from the family of the prophet which arose in

which arose in madina and he stood in defense with him because imam muhammad naf zakiyah had a brother in kufa i believe ibrahim who abu hanifa was extending his solidarity to and this is why he was punished and put in prison and then eventually he died or arguably was poisoned in prison by the caliph or by you know the politics of the time so you he had this side where he took these stances and he had this innovative itchy hard side and this spirit of islam and making islam easy for people and trying to all of these and yet the criticism

but you know the thing about imam abu hanifa one of the that really stands out was his compassion for people you know this is what really won the hearts of so many people around him was his compassion he would spend money on people because he was he was very wealthy allah you know blessed him with risk he would spend money on his students on his teachers on people he would if he found out somebody was struggling with something he would try to go and you know somebody's struggling to get their child married and they don't have

the funds he would go and fund it he would you do so much where he could just help people just bring a smile to their face this this is the the really the winning the feature of imam abu hanifa that really makes his legacy glow and he um there's several incidents you know there's an incident where a somebody used to attend his study circle and always dressed like you know dressed a bit like a let's say

he dressed really like oh like he's impoverished so this one time when the class is over not in front of the rest of the people imam abu hanifa asks him to stay behind he says he says hang back a little while so he does everybody goes he says to him look come here and he moves this he has this bag he opens it and imam obama has got this purse of gold pieces in there of dinar he says to him take this and buy yourself some some good clothes and the person looks at imam abu hanifa and says oh oh no you've completely

misread me he says i'm actually quite well to do he says allah has blessed me he says i appreciate what you're doing but he says i've actually got money i've you know that imam abu hanifa looked at him and he said because because the person in arabic said look allah has already given his blessings his numbers to me meaning i've got money then imam hanifah said to him then where are the signs of his name upon you

he said if allah has gifted you with risk then dress well so let it be known not in a boastful way but don't appear as though you are you know like in this like homeless kind of state almost and by the way i'm not speaking about i know in islam there is a tradition of the mystic wanderers you know like the great disheveled kind of wandering mystics the great sufis and the great who i don't mean them who just became

hermits and just adopted they had a way of their own but this is for people who are living in just being part of society but they've got the blessings from allah but they're not adopting them they're acting as though you know they're struggling we're oh they're making it look like that so this was an amazing side of his that look he how he was trying to intervene and and help and um yeah you know this i've i think i've shared this i have shared this story before i'll share it again there was a neighbor

in uh i don't know whether this was in baghdad kufa because it might have been in baghdad as well because imam al-hanifah was there for a little while as well now because he was you know the supervising kind of manager as well for the project when they were building constructing the city now he had a neighbor who really disliked religious people couldn't stand them you know you get some of those people again unfortunately some people

religious people like that as well you know where they've found religion yet not found it but you get other people as well that hate religion sometimes they hate anybody to do with religion and so this person was a muslim it was a muslim they just hated he felt they're just religious they're just judgmental bigots one may say some of that hasn't changed in some people but and he was a neighbor of imam of hanifa incessant alcoholic see this is another thing that those people who think that day and age was like some kind of

um i don't know like taliban kind of era it was never like that people always just had the like people weren't as involved in judging like maybe they judged but they weren't as involved in being able to stop you know like people think um and all this it wasn't like the people just did what they did and sure maybe people frowned on it maybe people judge them but they didn't have this like oh they you know people would stop you or people would this is back then in the taberain's time so you've got

imam hanifa's neighbor was a known drunkard alcoholic and he not only that he would sit out at night time outside on his kind of ledge he would sit out at the front of his house and he'd sink this boot would awaken in him so you think like since i'm awake i must keep everyone awake and he would sing and he would often you know what he would sing this uh poem that ada

he said that they wasted me they let a guy like me go to ruin like me they let a guy like me go to ruin for what they just wanted me to be a number in an army just to fill a like a gap on a military field like basically they just want some military expansion so we just need people like cannon fodder like we'll just waste them so he says like what he's saying is i'm so much greater than these and these people have waste they haven't recognized the value in me you would sing this every night and you are

different songs as well but this poetry but this often about drinking alcohol haram grab him beat him up dude no diddy imam of hanifa used to say everybody should we need to stop change the hero monker

i mean he's the imam he's the he's the caliph has been begging him to take up the job as the chief judge and imam he first refused this is how much authority he would wield so how he could easily get get him kind of and taught a lesson and what's this alcohol no neighbor of mine should be drinking alcohol no no you know the neighbor he has so many in islam and here to be fair the neighbors in the wrong because he's oppressing you disturbing your peace

but yet from imam of hanifa's character he's going out of his he's you know what to be fair if he was to call the local police to say you better shut him up because he's disturbing the peace at night he was in his right to do so because he's a neighbor and it's disturbing but still no just smiles and that guy can't stand him that guy's like i can't stand these religious folk they're just hypocrites what happens one day this guy gets into trouble with the authorities as often you know

trouble would often be not far behind them he gets arrested so what happens is one one night imam hanifa realizes he had it's awful it's been awfully quiet since the past couple of days where is how come the neighbors not singing so he thinks you know what in the morning i'll just check up on him he goes to check up the guy's not there so he asks about he says you know i've not seen him around it's been a few days now they say oh him say yeah he's been taken away by the local shorthand the authorities and they've got him in a cell

imam turns up at the local what would have been the you know like a primitive police station in that day and age not just this is a celebrity of a figure turning up he turns up and the person the local shruti is like what the hell what's up or am i in trouble what's going on so he says can i help you and he says he says i have come here to ask for a favor he says that what's the favor he says

that i hear that such and such has been arrested they say yeah they say he says over what they say like you know he did some some it wasn't a major issue some kind of delinquency he did and we've banged him up he's a waste anyway imam khanifa says he says could you do a favor and release him and allow me to take some responsibility for him so they're really surprised what the hell that for that guy that guy's just a waste of space ah of course they say of course you know if you want to take him he could take

him but he's a waste of space and they release the person and he comes and he's and as he's walking out he sees imam abu hanifa and he's absolutely confused what him and imam abu hanifa says to him he says a young man fatah is a young man he says

did we let you go to waste honestly this is it isn't it you know these people legends that they he says to him that did we have that did we let you go to waste you do kindness to people it conquers

the hearts this person was so he had like an existential profound moment honestly they say he felt so embarrassed in his way in that that he radically transformed his life and he was so indebted and it just hit him the sincerity and the compassion that yeah this guy came to just to save me you know it's like that

me like what the hell this guy who i used to always annoy so it's amazing these people you know they these are the heroes and legends of islam that we learn about them in an attempt to to inspire us and there's a a poem that assamiyu lam tazidhuma arifatan innama lazatan zakarna allah

these are titles that don't increase them in any in anything like they don't benefit them you know we mention them so we may find some pleasure in it it's this is uh honestly there's wow so these were you know the stories of of imam and there's so many funny stories as well about imam abu hanifah and i wanted to share it because i thought look yeah he's he passes away in 150 hijri he's buried

in baghdad he's buried in baghdad i believe and there is a um a site that's set up structure a structure um of with his with imam abu hanifa's tomb this in the same year that he passed his weight imam shafi is born so wow you know just a lot of thing you know this uh i'll leave you guys in the little story i don't know whether this one you know some of these stories we see them we don't know how people transmit them we don't know how accurate they are but

they say that um you know this one time imam of hanifa was he was because you know he was working doing his thing and his imam thing that he used to like have a clinic if you like people would come and he's doing that and this woman comes in and she takes off her hijab and stuff she comes in like all i mean she's got clothes on but she's taking all her job off and very kind of like um showing how she is you know glamorous here all this kind of so imam hanifer he looks at her and she's very pretty very beautiful

and and he says to her that look please you know like put that back on please because obviously because he's the only one there and you know there could be a scandal man this scandal yeah i can't handle the scandal you know so he says look don't he says it's please he says he says put it back on and she says no it's important because it's part of what i'm about to ask you so she says it's important you can see me and my looks so anyway she sits and she starts talking introducing herself being very friendly being very polite very decent and

um so she says look uh i've got an issue i she says look i this is a bit embarrassing but i'd like to say that look i want to get married and [Music] she says that i every time i'm about to marry my father who she says you notice that at the bottom of the street around the corner whatever there's this gross grocery store these grocers green crosses so he says yeah they call it bakal in arabic he says yeah he says she says i'm his daughter so he says okay

he says look what it is is i i'm going to be honest with you i want to get married i want to but and every time some suitor comes and asks for my hand my dad always says let me tell you before because you know you probably haven't seen her she's uh cross-eyed and she's got learning difficulties and she's uh you know what is it i think she's uh she's kind of hunched hunched over or some stuff like this so so basically a bunch of disabilities and and so the guys always go turn away and so i've got nobody to marry and so

so she starts talking says look you know i've reached a certain age and uh so this this is how the story goes how true it is so she says to the imam look i'll uh if she says look i you know i'd want to get married so she says look if you wouldn't mind would you marry me so

so he's you know first he's not she says look come on look you know this is why i thought it's important that you see me i'm reasonable you know there's nothing wrong you know i can do this i can do that i'm very understanding you know in that day and age as well polygamous marriages days when men were men i have to be careful yeah cancel culture cancer i'm joking i'm joking you know in that day and age where polygamous relationships were more uh the norm so um especially within muslim environments so

uh says look then he says you know what she says look come on look you know if there's anything wrong you know you can see look i'm i'll serve you i'll do this you know i'm very dece i'm educated i'm like this so he says look so he thinks about he says he says okay that's fine you know if that's if that's what you want this is fine you say i don't object i'll take you as a wife so she says okay she says but you've got to come and take you got to come and propose you know to my father you got to ask for my hand not here right now like this you come

tomorrow or something you know come to the green grocers and ask for my hand so he says chalo tike so imam hanifa goes the next day and and he says to the green grocer he says look listen he says i've come to ask for your daughter's hand so he says okay he says but you know i better be open with you she's cross-eyed and she's got learning difficulties and she's a bit kind of like i think hunched over and so he says yeah he says you know you know uh this isn't no problem that's not a problem

tikka will do the nika he says okay i've so the father's from law says look i've accepted and you know you can um you know when do you want to do this so we can do this in the car fine let's exchange so in that day and age they say look let's get some of these people together we're going to do this uh you know few witnesses and he's the imam and it's known tika you know you can um you can they would just because marriages were quite simple as this is another thing as well that the more complex you know there's a hadith that that the um [Music] that the the

barker those nikkas that are the most simple have the most barakah and blessing so in that day and age they were very simple kind of nika so tk he goes they say you know that's your wife's in in this room she's going to be getting ready you can come you know speak to a collector she can take go with so he comes after in the afternoon he comes back and goes in the room the woman in the room is cross-eyed and hunched back with lennon so imam when he was like what what who the hell is this

he says he goes out and he says to the father that what he says that's that's not your daughter she go he goes that's her i told you you know she's cross-eyed and she's hunched back and she's got these uh i told you that's what and he says no no no look there's been this terrible mistake i said look i can't i'm so sorry i will you know all these expenses that i said that i would pay you can have that money but uh sorry i can't keep this knicker so he so they say uh okay fine so they just you know they he he says look consider it a talk but i'll pay for these expenses i'll do all of that

that's fine and he goes now a week or two later that first woman comes to visit imam of hanifa again so she comes to see the imam and imam looks at her and he says you she says aha me and she says it says how do you feel and he says that that wasn't right what you what you did she goes really and she she says well i hope you feel i did that to get you back

and and he says to get me back for what and she says that look a man came and proposed to our family before and he needed a reference like you know in that day and age people would say can i ask any mom and can you ask somebody vouch for you is he a decent guy how is his wealth and she said everything was okay with him but his financial condition was a bit a bit poor he wasn't totally empowering he's a bit poor so he was worried that and he came to you

saying do you remember the case so imam abu hanifa remembered the case that there was a time this man came and he found a nice match and he was a great guy but he was just a bit poor and the family if he said to them he was a bit poor they would have uh refused the the nikah so he asked imam hanifa could you be my witness like could you kind of like vouch for me so imam hanifah said to him that you know he said that they won't marry me because i'm a bit poor and blah blah blah so imam hanifa said to him this is what the story goes he said to him okay would you sell a limb of yours to me

right now for twelve thousand dinars if i was to say sell me your hand or your arm or your would you twelve thousand dole pieces and the guy said no he said seriously he said no i said good he said don't worry look when can we i'll go sp you know you get ready for the knicker and he went to see the the people as a reference and he said oh yeah you know yeah i've met the person and they said how is his financial condition he said look you know allah provides all i can say is the man was offered twelve thousand

dirhams dinars for a gold at 12 000 gold pieces for a transaction and he turned it down in front of me that's all i can say so they thought he must be you know very wealthy you know so they did the nikah so this was the woman that was married to him so she said that to be fair he was a he's a great guy but i felt duped about his financial situation and you misrepresented it so i wanted you to to get your back on that

they say that imam said that look he misunderstood me i wasn't trying to misrepresent him i was just trying to help him in getting in the car and i wasn't trying to con someone i was just trying to you know he's a great he was a good person and he had a great heart and he would make a great husband and he shouldn't have just been turned down for money that's all but allahu alam whether that story was true but it was a fascinating read i tell you that so guys that was this legend of an imam who really just left us so much to think about they say you know when he was asked

about imam malik what do you think of him after he met him he went back to iraq they said what do you think of imam alik he says yeah he says malik was blonde he was blonde with blue eyes so he says yes i saw the the blonde haired blue-eyed boy lad he calls him a lad like a young lad because he's younger imam is like at least 12 13 years younger than him he says i saw that young young blue eyed bright blonde haired lad and then back then blonde hair and blue

eye was was a bit odd because most you know most obviously in the middle east and that they're not really going to be blonde here so imam and so it's a bit odd so people always saw it as a like an oddness oddity about it like today i suppose you know maybe with glamour and hollywood it's got more of a thing to it but back then people didn't really had no appeal factor to it so yeah that was his uh comment he said yeah he said i met that boy that lad but yeah but there was a great yeah they were you know they had this they left a legacy allah

and they must haves live on and you know they it is something to whichever mother of a person chooses but to really learn and it doesn't i suppose the thing about the hanafi mother is it became very restrictive and controlling some people didn't like you get uh you know like scholars like shrumbularly and other people who believed that taklid was still open and you know you didn't have to blindly follow but the mathematic did become quite regimental of especially in the latter centuries you know the last maybe two through 200 300 years whereas some of the other methods still

kept the freedoms i mean some people became regimental but others it wasn't all like the military still kept its kind of freedoms and stuff as well so but may allah bless this legacy and really inspire us to to learn guys i want to share that with you i hope it was uh you know of some of some significance guys let's uh you know what i'll share the link and then we'll wrap this up maybe i think i've been going on too long chatting away

um what's this must did please mufti talk about imam ibn abidine and his contribution guiding the baffled to the exquisite pearl yeah i mean maybe someday we'll talk about imam ibn yeah i mean to me really the you know the the star of imam hanifa is

so huge that it doesn't really you know it can't be mentioning anybody but sure you know it's in his text when even aberdeen speaks of the method he was speaking of i mentioned earlier on the books he says what is it he says ah yeah

uh speaking of the lahiro reward what's the poem he has this whole poem that muhammad he hasn't mentioned in his uh that's actually i think

in his uh where he's speaking about it but guys i've shared the link let's um all right there you go i'll bring on joseph kane all right joseph is that joseph that came on once before to the show and we spoke about the the patterns and was that a different am i mixing them up well right which yeah which earphones should i use like cello let's go with this

yeah right this one all right so people been carried away i think see the problem is i get carried away problem man this one problem i get carried away talking i'm thinking i should do you know what should we do a retreat or something now that i went on the other retreat should we do a retreat you know what who's good at organizing retreats get in touch with me message me and i'll put message me on instagram or get in touch

with some of the people that you know my people from my you know my patreon people get in touch with one of them to if you can't get in touch with me via uh instagram let me just connect this and if somebody's good at that kind of stuff i think it would be fun let me just check the hmm but the i suppose what would the the retreat if it was to be focused on some learning this kind of stuff but also just

detoxing and really about re-alignment you see of consciousness and and i suppose it's getting away and yeah cello let's see let's see one second i'm just gonna check um the mic speakers okay that's working yep all right people so we've got here

we yeah we've had abu safra before from bangladesh greetings how have you been i've been in particular um i just wanted to

just wanted to know how you were doing mostly when they did whatever the hell they did i swear had this been a different time i would have taken my spaceship and declared jihad on them it pissed me off big time oh the you took the incident from la la land yes yes of course you know what look you know what i hmm it's interesting because what they did was obviously totally absolutely disgusting

and i think you know many of them uh i know some of them are arrested and i know at least one is being charged so that's obviously taking a look so i think just last month i got the the police told me that they were now charging like you know the full decision the investigation was over they were now charging him now the whole process takes place it may take a couple of months few months whatever but so i mean i'm sure they they've kind of whatever it is allah has served them with their consequences and they have to live with that you see to me

you know with time having passed by um you see because nobody can undo the past the past has happened and you see for me i i can't remember i ended up thinking about this not so long ago i think last week i said last week or maybe the week i can't remember or maybe the week before or something but anyway some a video came up on i was checking through my i was trying to find my video to send to somebody's my own video about something and so when i typed it in just my name and i was trying to fi so a bunch of videos came up and some video came up which is an old video from last year where some people were speaking about

the incident and so it was like i can't remember like maybe about six minutes or seven minutes so i ended up just i thought um okay i wonder what they were saying so it's been it's been you know it's been now over a year but i played it and so you know and i was like um you know they're not like in the side of me that felt you know they're not being fair in what they're saying and blah blah blah blah blah but since it's been over a year i'm kind of over i'm not emotionally reactionary but i kind of felt in the moment oh you know and then i honestly i thought to myself it was actually about it was like early morning it was probably like about this kind of time

i thought to myself but look honestly i too i thought i need to grow up like i thought look this world is bigger than my feelings this world is much more than just my perspective my thing my how i feel about something my emotion yeah you know this this this it's not about me you know this isn't about like i need to also realize that that my ego too i need to understand in its own look history is done but i need to understand that in the past as well i feel that look there is you know in hindsight

i you know i don't like in hindsight maybe the trajectory of the path that i was on at a certain point i feel that that there was an ego i feel that you know this is in this in this thing there's many egos and i feel i too whether i know which particular part are you referring to which particular pardon drive no i mean you know there's nothing particular there's a let's say let's say the years that year leading up just before the incident so let's say a year before the incident other fun times

yeah the fun times you know when i was um and i was kind of it was look they were fun and games and and obviously was jokes and and i wasn't to be fair i was i felt that i was i felt at the time that i was being sincere and i was being fun but but i think in hindsight it was a you know it was a path of the ego that was ultimately and it was a self-destructive path it wasn't a even though there was goodness as well the but i feel that there was it wasn't something

it was also toxic in its own way and you know like sometimes maybe a lot like there's a tragedy but there's blessings after the tragedy like maybe allah in every you know there's a silver lining to everything every calamity that we see and maybe sometimes just a time to reflect and to think that look okay and to to actually receive a lot of love as well from people and just to think yeah okay where where am i going by the way now that i'm still you know in quantum physics they have this thing that you can't uh accurately define the velocity

the speed and the position of something you can only define one but not the other you can estimate the other one accurately yeah exactly because it's either in movement or it's either got a position it can't have a velocity you know you can't have both at the same time with absolute precision so it's the same thing sometimes you need to stop and reflect so i just take it this is how i take it i take that look things happen everybody faces their own consequence like those look people that did that that was a disgusting act and they i feel that they i first

faced their own misery in life they will look like they all about them in the deepest pits of hell in the in the comment section we have people denying hell i mean okay fine but you know this is why i get great reassurance that there is hellfire and my personal theology as well i believe that god inherently is tremendously harsh and he's merciful as well but i feel some justification in there not entirely but i do feel some justification like some people are really to burn forever you know what i

to be honest i i you know i uh it's difficult for me to make a do i like that for for any like i'll do it you know what the only thing i felt honestly that i felt that yeah i mean the thing is yeah obviously because you know there's a um you know there's this obviously thing i carry as a father that you know it's it's hard to for that forgiveness uh you know because i might never forgive you but um yeah so i that that's the thing you see

but but to be honest i don't you know hellfire and stuff like that i it's difficult for me to make duas like that for people um i just feel in this dunya may they you know i'm sure allah will take them to task uh and the rest i just leave those things with god i i just know that look for that suffering uh allah followed it with so many blessings for me that i i was just you know be dazzled and that's the glory of allah you know you can't have your examples of such blessings a few examples of such blessings yeah yeah i mean there's

so many man like like my seriously so much of my life just changed um you know there's something you know in jungian psychology you have something called synchronicity um but it's not it's not necessarily causation but certain things come together at a certain time so there's no direct causation between sometimes certain things i mean sometimes they could be as well what they call exponential causation maybe one thing to something which makes you do this it makes you do that you know so for example today your tire uh you know was punctured so you had to

take a taxi now you took a taxi and you ended up talking to the taxi driver and about something and then you maybe you left your phone in there and you forgot that and then now you have to go back and you meet somebody else and you get an opportunity and let's say you find a better job all of a sudden and you think wow well well the puncher tire didn't cause that but it was an exponential uh one could say causation or synchronicity in jungian psychology that things kind of come together they synchronized now there was a synchronicity of events that that really followed that incident which were mainly things like so for example one of the

things was when i just paused a lot of stuff and took time out for for myself obviously for the family but for myself as well gathering my thoughts and there were a couple of months a few months i didn't do during the cube i didn't do anything online yeah there was at least about like three months or so but there were things that during that time so many you know so many people connected the love that i saw this thing honestly i'm telling you i mean like as well yeah yeah you did and there's people i mean people who probably couldn't stand me let's say some people that the um or maybe they were just

polarized opposites who really going like actual not just words like actions people came the stuff that they wanted like there's so many things and then other opportunities as well arose from these um but for me one of the biggest things was that the love um which trigger which set into so many new friendships that i had with so many people that i did not have these friendships before that i've been like wow okay which has led to you know just other amazing experiences then also the path of consciousness you know when i took time

out i also that path of consciousness really was life defining for me you know just really there's just you know taking walking a life coach you know honestly i um even look i am somebody i've always been a key advocate of um for people for those who who who will it and who it chooses them and they choose it of things like sacred medicine and psychedelics and um and these things are also very you know they they can

have an incredibly profound life evolving um manifestation for someone and and and these things as well like so there was there's just so many things at the time even even in work like work related business related but there's just so much came together like in the months that went on no i'm not not immediately not like days after or even a few but it started like i started to see all these blessings from allah um and yeah so i you know in in

we really have to focus on the goodness in life you know things happen everywhere like i i think i think my problems are big until i i see someone with real problems you know let me know let me know let me tell you tell you something yeah like i go on let's share this little little story yeah i recently i was on a retreat in in spain yeah and so there was there was this this one uh one evening we then they were we were on this course uh spanish kind of course and there was uh that there was this one evening we were

together and there were several people probably like 20 plus on the course and they're all very uh elderly kind of people and it's amazing that these people are out there they're probably easily late 50s 60s mid 60s most of them you know they're out there still seizing life going on seeking their adventure and and you know there was this day that on this one particular day something back here had may have or may not have happened like i wasn't sure like there was something and it was kind of plaguing my mind it was a bit of a problem it could have been a problem i don't know i needed to come

back to find out and obviously yeah in the uk so i was in spain and so i've i've heard okay there's something i don't know maybe it's nothing maybe there's something about i can't fully ascertain until i'm back and and you know it's just on the back of your mind and you're thinking yeah you know ah you know it's just a bit of a mood ruins you know it's just like a little problem it's a problem so so i'm and i remember this one day thinking to myself that oh man you know ah yeah you know i've got this problem and i'm here i'm supposed to be fully immersed in enjoying the moment and i remember thinking this during the day now in the evening we were on this par

you know we we all together um at this place and um and i remember asking you know one of these ladies i said well you know how come there was this old quite old lady maybe she was about definitely late 60s if not maybe 70 uh into that but she she was just sitting on one side and she wasn't participating in in like the events and stuff and and she was part of the group and i asked oh is she okay how come she's not and they said yeah you know and so somebody told me they said look listen what it is is she's actually um you know she's uh going through quite a bit and i said oh okay what's what's happening she's from the uk

and i said well what's going on they said well just late last year her husband passed away and now she's you know recently she's been diagnosed with fatal cancer and and i said how come she's on the course and they said well you know she wanted to come and she wanted to kind of so i went over to her to talk to her and i mean not to bring this up because obviously this could be very personal and private just but just to talk to her like i just sat me so i asked her hey how are you doing how's the course and you know how's the spanish coming along and she said yeah it's good

and you know she seemed so happy and she was just absorbing the moment and she was just living it and wallahi like you know as i spoke to him we just talked and i thought to myself that yeah you know what do people yeah you know like earlier on i was thinking problem what are problems you know here is a person in the face of certain uncertainty and yet she's smiling and she's absorbing life and she's living it and she's you know

this and that's where you can't that's problems that you can't do anything about all these other problems everybody can do something about you know it's not these are not even problems and wallahi it was such a you know like a revelatory lesson for me that i just thought that wow like you know we we lose ourselves in what we think are difficulties in life really it's nothing it's a think of look it's it could be a difficult it could be an adventure you know it's your mindset isn't it so yeah so i i thought yeah you know i just

remembered i thought i'd share it with you but yeah for jumping on and on i've got questions oh you've got to totally have a question yeah yeah make it a wine trap make it a mine truck but anyway i'll have to bring you on a mine trap drop me uh yeah i've got you on uh insta i remember uh but just shoot a message that will come to the tower messages i'll wear on the carbon right i'm sure your beauty won't as as amazing as it is i'm sure we'll survive yeah too much further than facade mostly the

question is a little personal in nature the question is why do you believe in islam oh personal to me to you i'm the interviewee i'm the interviewer you're the interviewer you know look you know um why do i believe in islam right now as opposed does that mean as opposed to believing in anything or just why islam specifically why islam specifically yeah okay

you see well first of all from the world major faiths right so you have major faiths in in the world like whether you want to take the top seeks right now from christianity sure islam hinduism buddhism etc sikhism islam now look islam truly speaking is the only faith out of all of these that stands the test that stands the test of the rational critique it is the only and this is not just me

saying this you'll get in fact even clark on his uh you know the author of the space odyssey he has an amazing interview as well on islam and where he says as well that if this the only faith that can truly stand the uh the test of um the inquisition if you like you know the metaphorical inquisition of modernity and the test of the intellectual rigor that it brings is islam and he he kind of feels he says that if it wasn't for muslims and what they've done he personally would have loved to have embraced islam but he

feels that they are just doing to it what other people were doing but this is a few decades ago when he when he wrote that i think in the 60s or something now so uh it is it is one of it is the only faith that really stands the test of that intellectual rigor now as obviously i was born muslim uh into a muslim family what i mean by that and i was raised a muslim so it's not something i was it was alien to me i but i wasn't practicing in the sense that you know i wasn't a devout muslim until

i myself wanted to learn it and i went off and i studied and i have to say that i seriously um i have tried you know in my own way not in a not in a um kind of like a malicious way but in a genuine way over the years tried to critique like put my you know put my lens of analyses to certain points and see that does it stand the test

and i have found that every time it did and it's you know it's it's amazing that i have said that you know if it was alone the fact that the quran honestly to me it is you know people look for other miracles yeah the quran is it it has a it's so miraculous but in its subtle ways that you see this is where i find the splendor that when you so so for it so for example it was all too easy for the quran let's because people say look well the quran was just the prophet

muhammad sallallahu alaihi obviously they don't believe he was a prophet they just say it was this man muhammad from 7th century arabia who was taking this from let's say other sources and he was coming up with it now okay if that's your hypothesis not yours but let's say people you know intellectually you can put it to the test because it would be all too easy for the quran to slip up and make certain mistakes uh or say certain things let's say you could say which people at the time would have accepted

it could have said them but it didn't and i find this so miraculous that every time okay so people even look when the quran speaks of certain things um let's say they miraculous things even when it does it always uses it uses a language that caters that has the agility that sure you know you can take away a gist of it but it doesn't actually say it necessarily in that way like a good example is like let's say now evolution

now it's very easy for the quran to have negated something like this like obviously this is before like as into very solidly have presented the alternative very solidly not just in a verse saying allah created them but just categorically in wherever this came up but yet every single time this comes up in the quran when allah is speaking about the creation of humans he's saying things like uh he is saying that look we created them from this which was connected to the earth which was a lie saying

created you in stages he's saying all these it would have been all too easy to just say it and end it because people would have accepted it anyway back then you know if this was let's say you go with the hypothesis that somebody was just trying to make this up because they're saying well this is just made up then for it to have had very clear uh but what i mean is very forceful um

counter factual statements would have been all too easy but it never does you know that's amazing that in itself is a miracle of the quran that it never quite says things that are so forceful it will sure it will allow people sure if you want to believe like that you know it's not right now the priority the main thing is you're connecting with god the main thing is you're moving away from superstition the main thing is this but sure it'll say in a way that will allow people to have certain narratives but it will never present a forceful

kind of forcible uh um counter factual statement never like and that that i find you know is an absolute miracle of uh to me i mean these are personal things i get it i'm not trying to say this is a maybe to someone you know that it doesn't hit them the same way sure but that said that said i'd like to kind of just this whole question just kind of underline it by saying look it is to not believe in something

is under i mean that that i don't i'm not even sure that's possible you know people that say they are atheists i i'm not so sure they are they think they are but what they're simply doing is denying a a maybe a certain institutionalized interpretation of a faith or of many faiths or of all faiths let's say denying that they're not it's very difficult to believe that people don't actually believe because like let's i

okay let's take the concept of the sacred all human beings it is with so deeply embedded in every single human being the concept of the sacred how the concept of the sacred is the talk of religion it doesn't exist otherwise where does it come from how does anybody how does anybody justify anything sacred anything including human life anything you cannot rationally objectively speaking justify anything sacred

you can explain it but you can't rationalize it objectively speaking outside of the human domain even human life what makes human life sacred there's nothing to you know you could say well you know it's special for the human species but you know it's human species but people say so what if somebody used to argue well let's say this planet isn't the planet of the humans it's the planet of the tardigrades humans are just inconsequential let's say from the perspective of tardigrades so so what what makes human life special then tardigrades have can you know they've

stood world cataclysmic disasters and they've survived also yeah exactly i mean they they they can exist in the most extremist of circumstances i mean we can't exist like they can exist they've even had them taken to space and come back to still survive it's like it's just like these crazy entities christian creatures yeah they're very interesting creatures but what i'm trying to say is this concept of the sacred is a good example that everybody believes in the sacred now they just may maybe they don't agree on what they call the sacred

they agree on certain things disagree on others but they agree on the sacred the concept of it and why where does that come from that's not the talk of science it's not the definitely not the talk of empiricism it's not the talk of mathematics one may argue mathematics is sacred but the point is that this is the talk of faith so i believe all of us deep down believe maybe we just don't know it which isn't surprising

yeah 100 because it's because you know even to know yourself sometimes maybe we do have faith we just don't know it because one of the greatest adventures in life will be to know thyself you know in arabic they say man if you know yourself you will end up knowing god that this is you know your lord because and sort of resonates with adverse music

and you know one way of reading this is one is until it is the truth and one way god the manifestation of the transcendental glory itself allah you know it becomes like wow like this you know until you realize that these signs these everything we these are intimations of the transcendental divine glory for me personally i've yeah you know i feel that the persuasion it is an accumulation of several little nuances

i don't like it i'm not i'm personally not a fan of the dawah movement i'm not saying it's a bad thing it has been marvelous if you if you if if you take the salafi tower movement i know people criticize it all the time but if you look at it on a uh public relations stance right if you look at it in a matter of um as a study case study for psych um sociology social engineering it has been revolutionary it's global it's global it empowers people it uh see many people do not get this with a salafi movement they see these people as

bunch of very rigid individuals but what they don't understand is they assume i'm not saying rightly so of course not but they do assume that they have the authority on behalf of allah what can be more empowering than that this is something that i don't like but of course it could be but look that is what gets talked about but i want to go into the psychology of it why people get into it what is

attractive about it i mean the salafia are not the mainstream they're not the main strand they're a minority but they are very popular minority the most successful a very successful mostly very successful but anyway i would feel that i would feel that in the last um definitely in this last decade like let's say 2010 onwards like definitely let's say the last five to seven years at least uh i would feel that this there's been a huge um regress

uh in the movement i don't think that's as popular at all yeah but i think prior to that they were i think they blew up in the late 90s and yeah in the 2000s they were just huge and but i think they turned into a lot of infighting and it turned into like anything i guess it does they're the most fragmented group you can fight i mean look even i'm a salafi but while i will disagree with every single group out there because i'm on my own that's

you see what they you see what we can't this is the thing that i was trying to say um you know previously as well that look we every we are one ultimately one huge family you know this there's different people and every you know like they say there's horses for courses like they're we people will have different needs and they bring a certain they bring something for a certain need which is clearly you know they they bring a certain amount of certainty

which people always know in huge deals this was the discussion we had last time if you remember this was the discussion we had last time that they bring a simplicity which they do quickly because they have their slogan you know quran was beautiful i mean it's so mesmerizing this is why it's spread like wildfire because people are like forget this i want quran i mean you can't argue against it you know it's like it's so this is just like wow okay it's it's like this you will call it exactly and they'll say someone else's

this is the this is the charm of it unquestionably and look there's people let me say this you know we were a bunch of us were speaking a few friends and we were having this conversation about a week and a half ago about something and we talked about certain groups and some people ended up meant you know they were mentioning certain and they've got followings and certain you have got followings and what do you think of this and you know and they were mentioning certain for example sufi and and i said that look you have to understand something that with all in this is the same thing with the selfies there will be people now there will be people who will

you know they they they are they have a thirst for for the faith for the quran for the sunnah for allah for you know for faith and i will never be able to provide for for those people they that i won't be able to quench that thirst neither with uh with other people but let's say selfies may for what somebody is seeking and it may make that person into a better person there may be other people who for example they they can't do anything for maybe th those people need something very spiritual and they need something very so only such and such

will be able to kind of fill that void for them maybe there's certain people who need something rational maybe there's certain people who need something more you know compassionate but there are people at different stages of their journey and and it definitely they are doing something the only problem is when people turn so much like we instead of you know warring up which we should be preoccupying ourselves with you know providing this let's say this water of life okay to people who are coming to us because there's things that a salafi can provide somebody who needs salafism that

i or other people could never provide so instead of giving this water of life let's say the problem is when we start poisoning other people like we start worrying more about venom because we've all look everybody has a gift in their own way and they we can all our we are all in our own way irreplaceable and sure we disagree with one another but you know that's the variety is the spice of life we just don't need to turn on each other as much you know it's okay you know somebody's different there's a beauty in

that you know this person does this this person does this this person goes on public you know that's a good thing this person does this you know they're not robbing anyone they're not harming anyone so as so this and the true islam is about love so the only problem is really where people turn and they start becoming very venomous you know this person is going to hell you know be aware of him this person going to put the tissue on your head

that's what seems like a different life some nostalgia nostalgia but obviously uh mostly right before no questions nothing just concluding remarks it was awesome talking to you if possible i invite you to my country come visit hakka bangladesh i think it will be amazing i've been really surprised by the amount of love

i've had from bangladesh from dhaka especially like people message on instagram i i see youtube comments it's amazing man you know what may allah bless all the people allah bless bangladesh right people abu safra who we had on the show probably like over a year ago and he just come back had just seen raheem san juan different stages of realization absolutely absolutely brother absolutely that's this is you know people are at different

uh stages of their lives and you know it's okay to be different it's okay to not agree you know it's okay that somebody does something else and they they think let's say my thing or somebody's thing is useless it's okay just hold back the poison you know just not as much poison this you focus on your own do good do good you know people i'm telling you this there's amazing people you'll find in all circles and they're catering for people who you could who you can't cater for and you're catering for people who

believe me they won't be able to cater for and you know everybody's playing a role we just need a bit more harmony in fact that hadith was said about with muslims and jews and christians the prophet says so what do you think about muslims just amongst ourselves yeah a bit of love a bit of love let's see who have we got here you know we've gone on for a while but i i need to bring on some of these people because we've got uh we've got we'll concern we've got rational something you know

con rational quickly and then we'll move on to wilkinson one second hang in there wilkinson we've got fbi on here what the heck okay so let's see uh rational if you can add your camera assalamu alaikum while it comes up maybe next time uh inshallah next time and then we are keeping it reasonably brief but what's going on i do have

yes i remember was it rational thinker or something uh rational faith rational faith yeah yeah all right okay see i thought maybe rational thing rational faith that's it talk to us what's going on yeah so i've been looking into uh mirage recently um and i know that you think it's a vision um what do you uh but i take a different approach um so if you can sort of elaborate on your um view what do you think happened in the vision look yeah let's be honest who cares what i think

let's let's talk about what let's you want let's share your thought and what yeah and yeah that way you can ask okay somebody else somebody else thinks yeah but let's see let's hear what you have to say so my interpretation is that the entire thing it seems to be a fabrication uh from what it seems uh and i say this because a lot of the elements in the mirage um this one wants to know your view because if you take a different approach or spine but there are one second could i get you to

just hold on here for just a minute uh two minutes would that be okay yeah that's fine yeah uh right you are rational so i'm just gonna one second just put you on so just hold here for just two minutes guys i'm just going to be back just give me right

i'm just back sorry i just realized the time was running out i hadn't actually prayed subah so i just quickly did that alhamdulillah my butt see i get carried away sometimes talking and i don't realize that let me just add back rational assalamu alaikum yeah yeah sorry about that yeah i just hadn't realized man you know the time was going i hadn't done so bad i'm praying yeah i thought i'll just do that yeah so sorry you were saying something yeah so what i'm saying is because i've been looking at different religions i've been reading a lot of sort of apocrypha and that sort of thing okay there are a lot

of elements in the mirage which do seem to be fabricated so if i'll go through a few of them let me know what you think so in the quran the idea of seven heavens uh it does seem to be more of a natural thing so god says you know can you not see you know how the heavens have been created and the prophets told to look up what's in the heavens and the earth but the idea of traveling through in the quran yeah says what in the quran about the seven heavens it's more natural uh if you see what i mean it's not cosmic it's natural it's like a natural um sort of observable thing

would you agree with that there are seven heavens seven heavens seven heavens are observable yeah so it's more natural like do you not see when you're saying it's natural not cosmic what what what do you mean by that the cosmos the cosmos is natural though no looks like supernatural it's supernatural the heavens are supernatural who said the heavens are supernatural no i'm saying they're not in the quran yeah but okay yeah yeah but in the hadith in the hadith of the mirage they do seem to be quite supernatural though to see what i mean so you have moses on the sixth heaven that's not the yeah but that's not the quran yeah yeah so yeah

yeah so what i'm saying is the way that the sort of description of the uh sort of seven heads so just to be clear to people who don't understand arabic here you see when you're saying heavens because there's an english fallacy here means heaven yeah it doesn't mean this doesn't mean paradise heaven so paradise heaven is jannat samawat means the cosmos like the skies so they call that in english old english they still call it the heavens above as in the skies above so that's what you mean the seven yeah when people say seven heavens they mean like seven skies yeah arabic that's what it actually translates as but yeah yeah and

just so i have this correct in the hadith about the mirage does the prophet not travel through the seven heavens is it somewhat water it travels through yeah yeah yeah it's here yes yes so that's my point so in the quran the sama white is not described as supernatural but in the hadith it seems to be taking more of a jewish and christian idea of heavens where you can actually travel between them and this idea that you can travel between the seven heavens this is also found in other apocrypha so the ascension of isaiah and the apocalypse of zerubbabel you'll find the same thing where

let's say let's say let's say uh let's say this is a part of the vision because that's what the quran seems to suggest that the the is a vision i don't necessarily think it does i don't think it that doesn't matter if you're talking about seventeen sixties it'll say that it says yeah i don't see that but it says yeah yeah but i think that's referring to place this what is

yeah so what vision what is suratul israel talking about i think it's talking about the vision to conquer makkah okay okay it says before the prophet had even prays yes so this is so no salah has begun this is in the very early stage of makkah isn't it so where is this vision to conquer makkah whilst in the makkan period yeah period there's no muslims do not even fight in self-defense

yeah so it says in the surah 1760 that we did not make this vision that we showed you a chapter of the trial for the people but vision isn't defined uh i'm sure we don't so okay but what is that so what what what is the verse is talking about before that which one are you talking about the start seventeen words yeah okay so if you look at seventeen one where it talks about the verses talk it looks so it's the verses so when you say look but it hasn't mentioned the vision okay so it says we have not made or we have not made the vision except a fitnah okay fine accept a trial now so

you say so you said but but allah hasn't clarified what the vision is okay so what is he what is allah talking about in this surah okay so i believe in makkah the prophet will show on a vision that in the future but what is he talking about in this surah because yeah that's what i'm saying it doesn't say that in the so you see now that that's just a total random like there's no evidence at all there's no no evidence to support that theory that this is just there's some vision about conquering mecca yeah but the only two visions about the prophet mentioned in the quran uh is 1760 and 48 27 but what is this whole surah talking

about the one that mentions the vision what is the surah talking about so i believe when it's when it starts what's the name of the surah yes i believe i think the sr and the mit raj are too separate and i think the mirage is obviously the sort of um supernatural journey uh vision or whatever but i believe they surah uh you know subhanallah the ashrae and this sort of wording is also used for loot and musa when they're told to escape by night as well but what is the island i believe that's when the prophet uh escaped from uh so if i sort of ignore the sort of traditionalism and the sort of

and you just look at the quran and we look at how this word has also been used with other prophets it would seem like 17 words the word is just an arabic word there's no need to say well how is it used with prophets the words arabic like if i said you went rational went and i say well this person went i said but the word went was used in the bible no it's just an arabic word yeah he's just talking about night travel he's talking about traveling that's fine doesn't matter who it's used with the word is just a verb in arabic which just means it's used about six times i think and it doesn't matter how many times it's used what i'm saying is eating is an arab it's a verb so if i say akala in arabic

it's right now if you say well aquila was used with the prophet moses say okay but it's a normal verb i mean anybody can eat it doesn't you know so there's no significance of saying this verb was used with prophets verb is just an action so okay but so what does it mean then what is it okay so so when it's used now what i'm saying is when it's used with other prophets as a three be empty it means of travel by night and they're usually escaping from persecution yes what i'm saying is 1701 uh is the prophet escaping from persecution what what escape are you talking about well the when the sort of the makkans

were sort of pursuing the prophet persecution there's been a few different opinions on where it is uh some people what is it no but you're saying if it's the hijra then the prophet but remember when the prophet goes to madina there is no masjid in medina the prophet is going to make the mosque yeah yes i don't believe muslim was in medina uh i think a mosque uh well i believe it's a location okay it's a location so it's medina yeah

no not medina uh if you know i think it's wakadi i know it's seen as unreliable uh but he did say that mushroom alexa was in jiran a place i think near makkah somewhere yeah okay but okay i mean where were you going with all of these okay so i'm saying this what's the point though like you're just saying okay you're changing a lot of fine there's nothing i've got no you know every person's entitled to their own okay so my central point is that the entire uh the way it talks about mirage it takes a lot from other stories and so this makes me question how true

it can be in islam because it just seems like the most i told you no but i told you that look going right back to aisha and milan going back to the companions themselves who said that this was a vision this is also what the verse says it uses the word vision now you can say you can say i accept that very early muslims did say that and some later muslims did say that however with time the other views seem to have gained more public popularity

right so and and that view became a dominant view the other view that it was done in uh in physical detail with all these other let's say with a lot more detail now okay fine so that's a view so you're saying look i don't agree with this view of the problem because well fine i mean many people disagreed with that view no but it does no it's not the fact that whether it's a vision or literal opposing problem is the fact that there's so many details which are taken from other stories how is it right so okay now

okay so i i still don't get because let's say it's because if you're going with this is a vision what is the the difficulty that so you have or record in that way so for example you have so there's obviously it's a very long narrative and there's lots of different things about it i'll just give you some examples uh so it talks about uh that you know the barack the flying horse okay the flying horse boracay means lightning in arabic pegasus that's also a flying horse that means lightning uh to be fair the hadith never says it's a horse what is it

it never says it says it's a an organism it says with wings so it says it flew and it says the only thing the hadith says it was a size of lower than a horse and higher than a mule or something now because it uses that reference people assume it's a horse because it's giving the i'm just going if you want to stick to the wording then the wording doesn't say it's a horse but that's your assumption because it's like me saying if you ask me uh you know like let's just say you said well how how tall is the xyz now we don't know what the xyz is and i said

well you know it's uh it's it's it's taller than let's or let's say size and i say well it's bigger than a samsung but it's not as big as the whatever the ipad something now you're assuming it's a tablet or a phone but that's because the reference in my estimation are these things but to be fair i never said it's a tablet i could be speaking about i don't know i could be speaking about some something totally different i could be speaking about some other apparatus that's not a tablet or nothing necessarily like that but i'm just referring to sizes it could be i'm just being playing the same game like if we're defining the

rules and you're going with wording then you have to be strict and then there's the sort of prophets in punishment in hell is that whether that's authentic or not that's what that's acceptable look because i think sure and then that the the punishments seen there they're sort of exactly the same in uh the apocalypse of peter so women hanging there's one sort of mention where women's hanging by like the breast that's in the apocalypse of peter as well there's someone getting a tongue cut that's an apocalypse of peter uh so you do have these of similarities

you see but wouldn't you say these are the the the kind of um psychosocial narratives which would have been in the minds of people i i think would be so for example like today these are very specific punishments but going back to that day and age because today these are very abnormal to even think of so you wouldn't so for example today if you're thinking about people having tongues cut out there's something morbidly wrong with you because nobody people today in this part of the world don't think about these things but let's

say now you go back to the past where people were punishing people like this when they were catching people and doing stuff like this to them then it would have been part of the the general populist psyche it would have been part of oh when a person does this this is what happens to a traitor this is what happens to somebody who is a you know commits treason this is what happens to somebody who says something to a king this is what happened you know like they would flee uh or was it flames right yeah well you know when they they skinned them alive mm-hmm they call it flying yeah but they would

do that to people so this would be in the psyche of people whereas obviously in this day and age it wouldn't be because people wouldn't think like that but yesterday you might think about prison it's yeah but do you not think if something is written so 400 years in the in the past and then something else is written so the practice of peter comes hundreds of years before then the hadith and these exact details are mentioned you know i mean i'm not very similar i'm not i'm not so first of all you've got to separate you've got a lot of moving parts here okay so first so what you're saying is like there's certain things

you're saying look this a b c d e okay fine these are discussions and you're saying therefore you know ergo said and and that's just it doesn't follow so for example if the claim is that look the me raj in islam has to be a fabricated event right so this is your conclusion yes so the the muslims have so i don't know what you mean by fabricated as in that could either mean that let's say the people around the prophet invented it by copying it or whatever or maybe later muslims invented it so i don't know one of the other let's say now this is what

you're arguing so the question is well okay why do you feel that this is so out of you know cannot be accepted within it's not that it's a this is not a major belief thing in islam but let's say because it's mentioned in the quran so you're saying well okay what's the issue and say well the issue is that there's these little details which one can't be real i said well okay but what about if it was a vision he said well okay well if it's a vision it could be real i mean it could be in the vision okay but still no i was not arguing it was literal to begin with i was i accepted that you

said division okay but you're saying that why is your vision why why make a so you're saying well why do they share commonalities with other religious treaties uh on topics like backbiting and stuff like this so well first of all there would be a shared psyche on on these kind of incidents so people so for example cutting the hand of the thief it would be something that a society back then and pre-islam would have already been doing it would i'm sure they would either enslave a thief

or they would hang a thief or they would cut his limbs off this isn't something this is how they thought so if you said look the quran says cut the hand of the oh but i also saw in a mesopotamian text they said cut the hand of the thief see but i know because that's that's how the societies were thinking right but what do you think other chances that 400 years prior jesus was shown heaven and hell he saw the same punishments uh the prophet jesus yeah the apocalypse of peter is when jesus jesus is showing heaven and hell and he sees these punishments and so 400 years later you have the prophet being shown the exact same punishment

okay it seems very suspicious do you not think no it's right so first of all not now this is what i'm saying you see you got to zoom in zoom out so the problem is that you're taking one thing and i don't know what the issue is the issue is the detail this is what you're saying i take it that the issue is the detail but the detail is in what one or two hadiths which sure like if you're asking me that could some other detail be subject to uh people's interpolation into the hadith so when people are describing stuff well we've got several i've got

several videos discussing that look most of hadith when it's documented is a reward it's rewired with meaning so most people when they're writing hadith but none of that is in the quran i don't get why but yeah so what i'm saying is this at the beginning what would be your view on it so i didn't want to sort of attack us like a straw man essentially because when i'm questioning this narrative i'm doing it but you're just questioning like so what i understood is you're questioning some description in a hadith that could this description have like let's say they said some people said that the prophet said this is it possible that maybe the

prophet didn't say some of that and they thought he said some of that or it's been attributed to him some of it let's say it's possible of course every sahih hadith does not mean it is concrete it just means that the authen the people in the chain have been vouched for by certain scholars of hadith that's what it means it doesn't mean that this is as sound as the quran it does not mean that nobody no muslim should ever make that claim right but i think i mean all the details yeah and you like even meeting the prophets watching other apocrypha like the ascension of isaiah uh and they've been prophesying but i don't understand because these are commonalities shared

by an evil so why would you expect something different i don't understand why you see like you're saying so for example you meet uh you meet uh very sacred entities but that's all part of a vision of course you're going to meet sacred entities that is part of a sacred vision like or a sacred um this sacred trip that this is this experience this sacred experience is to meet sacred entities so if you say ah but your meat is a great but he also in his experience met sacred into a bit of a coincidence if you ask me say well no but that's the nature that's what

defines a sacred experience that you mean sacred entities so you say well but such and such person 500 years ago also my sacred well duh that's the whole point of a sacred experience to meet sacred entities so i don't get what that's not a coincidence that's what defines the experience that's like saying oh you had a car accident ah that's funny because this person claimed he had a car accident two years ago oh it was with another vehicle that's rather coincidental because this person claims it was with another vehicle but that's the very nature of car accidents they're with other oh you were on the road this person claims he was on the road

oh it was daylight rather coincidental if you ask him the very definition of a sacred experience is that it's going to have sacred entity so now you take an experience that is to do with let's say damnation and also the biatic uh you know also to do with grace so you take grace and damnation so now you're going to speak about bliss and you'll speak about damnation now things can only be expressed in words and the problem with sacred experiences is they are ineffable by definition so they can't be they words can never be a representation of the experience so you should no i'm sure you know that so

now any words that you're putting them into are only simply a framework of reference and approximation for the people you're speaking to i mean you just take you just take psychedelic trips as an example i mean this is not a psychedelic trip but you just take that as a very contemporary example i mean you look into all the studies look into all the you know the john hopkins study that was done at harvard and all of these other studies that were done afterwards now the whole thing about uh these experiences and these are not even you know of they can be felt as religious but that's something totally different but even here you see the whole thing about them is you can't they're ineffable

you can't ex you can't put them in that you can't describe them in words so what you do is you find an approximation as a frame of reference now sure you're going to give and even the frame of reference does not necessarily fit that because it's an experience like if i ask you now let me ask you you come back now and here you are and i ask you explain to me the taste of an apple just explain it to me so let's say you have to explain it to me right now you say whatever sentences you can say it

i can describe its texture i can say sweet i can it tastes like sugar uh not that sweet not sweet of sugar sugar is quite sweet but you said sweet so i'm just thinking something sweet yeah but like i'll explain it explain it okay the texture is quite sort of crunchy um okay like let's say kellogg's corn flakes uh not that crunchy uh there's more sort of um liquid in it

if you see what i mean it's quite difficult to describe milk a taste liquid like milk no it's quite sort of it's not dry like comfort because i conflict and i quit like milk uh not that wet i haven't understood anything so exactly telling you to describe the color blue no so this is my point in trying to explain to you see since you're trying to research these things you need to understand them that you can't you see the whole thing you should read william james on these experiences since if you're going to get into this then get into it properly like read the literature on it don't just

like this but i feel like this is perhaps because i don't understand i can't explain like if you're saying look i want to speak about visions and that to visions beating visions and visions of grace and visions of damnation so now okay so fine have you what have you read on that literature on what have you have you read any anthropological studies on visions have you read any how because it's obvious by saying look well i've read one and i've read another one and there's some similarities but have you read what defines visions what gives because once you start reading up on it

you're going to then understand but you know something by its very nature does not so now i asked you to define an apple now the taste of an apple now you now obviously no blame to you but you did a horrendous terrible job now let's say if human civilization needed to rely on your statement uh of trying to conjure together the experience of an apple it would be light years away from the true understanding of an apple so now but you didn't have a need to explain the experience of an apple but let's say there was a religiosity involved we

we're imparting that knowledge held significance because in your experience of an apple there's no significance to me apart from me just putting you on the spot because i know you can't do it but also but let's say there was a religious significance to you explaining this vision so now you have to flit it into words now words by their very nature are limited and then narratives are limited and then psychosocial narratives are even more limited so now okay so you have to explain things then you have to explain an experience by you know you've got synesthesia you're trying to match an experience to words where words don't

exist due to ineffability so now i you see just as you struggle to match any word to the experience of an apple because of that's that's synesthesia whereas you know if i so for example certain people on psychedelics they experience synesthesia they can actually like you said describe let's say the color blue they can actually so colors may have sounds all of a sudden or uh maybe tastes have words for them all of a sudden or they have shapes or this is called synesthesia and psychology so people experience that on psych on and in fact one argument is language as a consequence of synesthesia but that's

another discussion but do you not have to accept the validity of their visions by saying that they're similar yes so this this can't you see so so basically this conversation's just going to nowhere right so look what i would what i would suggest is look it's fine to have like academic theories but just read up so there's more juice to the theory because if you're just going to say this is your theory that look they had a vision and 500 years ago in the epistles of let's say whether it's going to be john no no in your case peter that you've got the

you've got certain also visions of damnation and grace and they share a commonality and the commonality is more than just not the share of commonality so yes there's a very big specific link between both of them in a very specific order that's what i just said they sure yeah no but i think i feel like you're perhaps maybe just saying they're both visions yeah you'd expect that but when you affect things in the data it's more than a coincidence like the antichrist when you have too many similarities you have to accept that okay maybe there's been a lot of influence no one's saying it's like that so when

you read about it in christian literature and then you see in islam it can't really be a coincidence that the prophet just happened to see a vision of a christian made up so you have to self assume christian yeah christian word of the antichrist what kind of war how have you done so what i'm saying is but you have sort of similarities between two narratives and the similarities are too big you can't i don't know what you're talking about right so okay so look the um right so okay so the antichrist is mentioned in the bible in john first and john second the real description of the

antichrist does not really appear in christian literature till irenaeus okay so you're talking about the third century he's the first person to speak about really to bring about some kind of conscious some understanding of the antichrist uh this what has this got to do with this okay so what i'm saying is okay no there is no antichrist in the bible the way yeah unless you're you're not i know i know this yeah uh and then the actual descriptions about the sub eye and everything that comes from the apocrypha of john so i'm saying is this if you read it's not no it is no no no no

the fact that it says that the antichrist will have one eye yeah that's in the apocrypha of john it's not apocrypha isn't it in the bible right okay right okay okay so what i'm saying is this okay okay so what i'm saying is this when you read all these descriptions the the eye the forehead writing and so on and then you read it in the in the hadith let me just listen because you have to listen look nobody's saying these things right you you yourself are saying them and you're refuting yourself

look listen many muslims have not ex have not believed this is not a part of iman where does it say that this is a part of iman it's never mentioned in the quran this is yes i accept i'm not talking what you're doing is saying look oh my god the antichrist is mentioned here mentioned oh the way islam is wrong like i don't understand no i don't i don't say islam is wrong no that's not my point it's your own thing and you're just refuting yourself no what i'm saying is when you have details that's

too similar you can't just brush it off as yeah this is apocalyptic vision why are you arguing with yourself because that's your argument this is what you see in visions but then you wouldn't do the same about anything else so you wouldn't say yeah the the description about the troll i know it appears in christian documents but what you know vision in the quran says there's a vision of the antichrist no i'm not saying that mufti why what i look this is my point there is no vision in the quran about this now you said that's not what i'm saying

i said okay now you is the concept of the is look is is this so difficult to understand that if you're speaking so let's say i said in in the olden times there was a characterization of a punishment for backbiting let's see so he said well somebody you know they may say well you cut their tongues out okay now to me that would seem very uh common that many people would would characterize it in that way especially in that day and age now if you say well oh but it said that in the buddhist literature

but but that's i'm sure it's going to say in many places because in that day and age these things were characterized in those ways absolutely look the other discussion is look does every hadith does hadith constitute according to look the ashari's it doesn't okay so i'm sure you know that anyway or if you don't know that that's another problem you know it's not does not constitute so look now you're saying another discussion is can hadith wording be the the interpretation of the person saying it as opposed to the prophet

and i've already answered that yes most scholars say mostly actually the wording of the person saying it not the wording of the prophet so okay so that's actually most mahadevian say that in most books so okay so we've even got that out of the way so yes you the wording is the wording of the last person who said it now is it a chance that this interpolation is there of course there could be that there's no question but is this part of the no it isn't because

which is the majority probably at least 80 percent of this ummah you know you've got the shia i guess separate and so look i i don't understand what's sure look if you don't accept them nobody's asking you to accept them i know it's not about me accepting them but it's the fact that a lot of people that i've read and like a lot of extra muslims and they say like these sort of ideas are still why are you so fussed no not because the thing is right i've got a lot of uh friends that know this the muslims i've got a lot of friends that when they see these sort of things like you know the quran it gets something wrong or this idea stolen or this idea is you know fabricated or whatever i

feel like there needs to be a good response and i feel like this is so you thought this was the good response no i'm asking that's what i wanted so you should have started off with that you know you need to humble yourself sometimes we all need to humble ourselves look start off by saying you could have said look this is the problem i feel some people criticize this uh what so this is the real problem that people say this and then you could have an answer and i would have answered straight away i would have said well first of all you could have said look some ex-muslims say that this may be and you know this is the question that i don't know how

would anybody i would say well first of all ahadith do not constitute according to the majority of this ummah right so okay second point the words in the hadith are they rewireable overwhelmingly probable because the majority of the scholars say most okay so you've got that out the way so it doesn't look it doesn't sure do some people believe in it maybe people believe in it do other people not believe in maybe other people don't believe in it but it doesn't make a difference it's not part of faith it's not part of your iman

it's sure maybe it's like some people choose it as a detail but people believe in all kinds of things you know like muslims some muslims may have all kinds of you know they may add in cultural beliefs it doesn't matter it's not if somebody thinks islam is false because of this you need to send that person to me okay and we'll have a conversation how they arrive that islam is false because of a certain detail they see in what was this in sahih muslim this whichever they find this they're trying to say islam is false sure we'll have that discussion i'd love

to have that discussion with them how they arrived at that conclusion yeah it's muslims themselves saying that these things are critiqued so i mean it's not non-muslim all this what i gave you this thing of reliabil this thing of a vision this thing of this was all muslims telling you this it wasn't non-muslims catching muslims out it was muslims telling other muslims so it's this is all part of our tradition so sure you know somebody could say look i i think i don't believe in this detail fine nobody's asked them to believe in it it's not it's not a part core part of is

iman it's not so if somebody believes in it somebody doesn't believe in it you know it's not so yeah i think sometimes we just have a you know like uh we've got a fire in the belly in we need to i think it's more of a that you know i've seen this i've seen people you know make this argument and i haven't really found a convincing response to it but i think that's the issue though was your was your response convincing well i'm i'm i'm the one who's making the argument sorry i'm not forgiving the response so i'm not saying no

i wasn't defending the the mirage thing you were defending it i wasn't yeah i was trying to fathom what your angle was you see and so obviously it took so long to come around and i didn't get what you're actually trying to like why are you like sure like because at most you're just saying look i don't accept these details i think somebody uh some of the interpreters that have put this in this may be the interpretation and you know maybe they're influenced by some sure i mean there's several look there's several hadith which are in sahih muslim which many scholars will say that these are just from the israelite they've come through this is nothing new you know this argument that you're saying

israelite basically means from judeo-christian scriptures israelites the christians were also considered from the israelites so many many people like let's say even a cathedra and other people they include actually ibrahimovic doesn't use as many israelis but many mufassirin tabari all these other people will include israelites sometimes in their things and some taberain included you know you've got what's his name and you've got kabul he put a lot of israelite in you know you've got

so but muslims criticize this others have accepted but it is so sure if you said to me look is it likely this could have come from the israelite i'd say yeah look it's it's it's a it's a valid hypothesis i think sure you know some people may say yeah look like you take an example of like inside muslim this was from muslim yeah there's another hadith in sahih muslim that allah created um the earth on this day and he created this on this day and then he created you know there's a whole biblical account exactly mirror image of the biblical version so even the salafi even and that's from the prophet even he says on that

and these are salafi's hardline like you can imagine even he says look this is just from the israelites even though he says it's from the prophet but it's not it's just from the australia so you've got somebody so hard lying like even uh you know and and sorry he's actually quoting ibn tamiya i believe so you've got even hardliners that will even accept you've got albany look how hard line albany was but still he will say certain things now this is this hadith is you know it's problematic even in the saheen so and that's the selfies what do you think of the non salafis they're even

more open to you know questioning and evaluating certain narrations so i'm there's no problem with that you know person can they can question they can ask things and and things have trickled through in fact my whole look my whole bugatti gate was about this about trying to create an awareness around this kind of stuff but yeah i hope that's helped man we've gone on for so long rational but it's been interesting uh i think i'll let you get some rest i'll wrap this up got a lot of people a few people waiting i'll greet them and we'll call this to an end it's been a pleasure

bless you keep you smiling you know what you it was a bit tense but you brought a smile to our face i like it i like it well bless you okay so people that was rational uh we got into some interesting discussion there uh let's get wilkins on we've got imam jawad oh my god i got it okay you know what uh let's get uh uh wilkins let's get wilkins on okay it's not adding uh salaam there we are there we are [Music]

oh my god is that the time yeah salaam i've gone on for way too long don't worry don't watch it because i'm on you know don't worry about this [Music] we haven't done our minecraft we haven't and we have only got it right yeah we've got to we've how is uh you're in georgia right now i could see looking rather dashing right now i saw you i was like you know what i can't just be in a simple t-shirt right i need to match

these you know look at the goatee the proper van dyke style right there yeah you know you know you know yeah the reason why i have this goatee if you've seen um the last kingdom on netflix and the main character uh okay uh portrait of webenberg right and he has this uh the star now orlando bloom no no all the last kingdom oh sorry i thought you talking about the other right yeah that's the last question it's talking about the vikings invading wessex and all that stuff right okay and uh utrecht and beppenberg and he had this thing and you know for me and this is let's bring it

back to islam this for me was a little bit of an interesting step because you know how um you know we're taught the muslims that teach each other you know that the beard is very important uh for the man the man has to show that he has a full beard and so for me the fact that i shaved this part was kind of a kind of a personal thing to say you know what i don't think it's a big deal to shape your beard you know uh or to shave it off or things like that you know you're gonna take it back to being a man you're gonna say well i don't think

because like i grew up in saudi arabia and things like that so you know i feel like you didn't know that right i didn't know that part because i was born in sudan and i grew up in saudi arabia yeah i don't know we don't know my trap is gonna have a lot of interesting discussions yeah yeah yeah we need to set that up we need to set up you know what let's set it up let's try to do it for should we try for we should try for next week you got me you got my whatsapp now haven't you i do i do yeah okay so let's uh how about things anyway how are you

keeping what's what's george saying i i gotta i gotta yeah i'll i i actually wanted because so i moved to the capital city belisi because batimi was like not doing it for me right and uh and so yeah it's been amazing so far i've met amazing people um you know i'm thinking of starting salsa dancing you know um yeah i was just i don't know why there's a side of me though just anticipating some revelatory something like that

because you asked me about you know you wanted to go to spain and do about airbnb and so on and that turns out you actually went to spain so like was my advice useful did you use airbnb how did that go yeah right no oh right i did actually ask now no i mean we uh we were part of a retreat so they had kind of arranged for us with certain hotels uh that were in the thing which which were fine i kind of got there and then i selected a certain hotel and that so that was all good i didn't end up before i wasn't too sure what um because when i asked you i was thinking

maybe if i because i know you you you kind of travel around and you do certain bmps and but yeah so i just ended up with the retreat organizing it with the hotel so it's all kind of sorted organized for us okay so yes okay so you're taking up sales so they have a class today so i'm definitely going to go today um yeah you know and look at this this is what happens people you know when you have young bachelors roaming the earth

i don't know what mischief you're leaving in your wake this oh we do look like that we we you know in years to come some some uh wilkinsons maybe some of your future kids or grandkids are going to do some dna tests they're going to go what the hell we're related to all these people around the world

yeah actually you know uh i mean um uh as usual i don't have any specific questions but you know if you said something interesting i didn't i i was aware that some hadiths narrated by meaning i wasn't the word that most were right so okay so this is the interesting thing that right just to kind of uh hone in on that masala and clarify that you see i don't know if most hadith are but what it is is that the the license so can you transmit hadith

by meaning the majority of the scholars said yes now imam malik said no so he wouldn't allow it but most people even those after him said you can now because they believed you can then that opens the door to world is a strong likelihood that most of them or many amongst them may have been because if if you believe that this is how we can do it then there's a strong chance that you may have done it that way now one could argue that maybe they didn't uh one could argue that look just because most of them believed you could

still most of them refrain from doing it but we don't you see we don't have the clear thing either way their opinion and their opinion is that yes most of them felt that you can do rewire bill mana um so that was a bit like oh okay because that hmm that kind of explains actually he gives more well that makes sense like how he was saying well look things were coming through from the israel israelia well that then kind of shows because yeah people are you know they're giving their i mean i mean maybe i don't know if it's okay to put you on the spot a

little bit but there is a a particular hadith i might have asked you about it before and you have talked about it before but maybe we can talk about you know the al-ahmad one you know okay that's another one yeah that's interesting okay what we'll do okay we'll do that and then we'll wrap this up because we'll get on quickly yeah yeah yeah and then we'll set up a minecraft you see that's a fascinating hadith it's in termity that um that the prophet is also it's also sahih buhari as well yeah

so um partially because i remember the commentary on it as well was uh which is uh so now the hadith is that people are asking that you know can people you know they go into each other's homes and family members go in and um and sure you know you go in and but what about your you know okay your husband and wife and people back then as well didn't have you know the houses weren't necessarily so spacious and people had certain privacy you know there could be concerns so the prophet is asked well what about al hammur and the hammer can it's a it's

a generic term that can refer just mean in-laws as in male in-law but often is used to refer to the brother-in-law but technically the word the word doesn't actually mean brother-in-law the word just means like a male in-law relative but often used it was used for it could have meant father-in-law as well but it was most often for either father-in-law or more so like probably like 70 percent more so used for the brother-in-law maybe 30 for the father-in-law now it's not clear that uh you know what who is being meant

uh what we know is in the hadith the uh the the person says and the prophet says what is this look at this some you've got something something yeah naked hd we've had somebody coming in saying look naked hd fun

it's like this is the energy that you're putting out there [Laughter] now that what's interesting is that most scholars said that look the prophet is saying that the male in law is like death and you know because this is really dangerous and but what's interesting is i really love the way ibn arabi the maliki scholar gives the definition the explanation he says inevitable he says

yes it's inevitable just as death he says he says he will come and you know he says it's inevitable just as death will come you whether you like it or you don't like it the male in-laws will come and go and from it's you know meaning that kind of setup they had so i i find that uh definitely i heard that explanation before from yourself and i i thought that was really interesting in my opinion it makes way more sense because you know there's another point to make right when my brother first uh sent me this hadith it shocked me to my core because you know the the prophet

muhammad in my mind to the lord there's always someone who's very soft he's always wanted to you know heal the hearts not hurt the hearts you know that was my image you know and then when i saw a tamil mode i was like what the hell is this you know you know why is the prophet speaking like this you know and it just kind of confused me yeah and it makes so much yeah and you know it's so true that what you said and that is that is the personality and the character of the prophet

you know yeah exactly so so so for me it just didn't didn't sit well with me and but your explanation that is inevitable that he's more it's a more poetic expression that made way more sense and that stems from abraham well i'm getting all this light coming in as well now you know what i better wrap this up yeah i drop me a message on what's up and let's let's pick it up from there but much love it's been a pleasure and be wary there's a lot of things going around monkey parks and and all these kind of

new variations so be weary with your minglings don't worry don't worry people that's oh he's back so you just jump back on on the other side right people you know what we've gone on so long let's get imam jawad assalamu alaikum how are you

you bring the sunshine you are the you are the sunshine how is everything extreme you know what got carried away honestly i i don't want you know i think to myself every time two and a half hours call it quits that's it and i sit down and oh four hours later i'm like oh i sweep four hours now four and a half now it's going up towards five this is like way too much it reminds me of the old days where it used to be like five six hours every day every time

those meetups yeah they did they did all right so how are you keeping imam jawad good news though because i have more time from next week so inshallah i i can inshallah make the commitment allah bless your time as well and allow it to be a source of goodness for others as well which you are anyway you're a great source of positivity for people so why have you have you finished up on studies or something that you were doing yeah recently i just winding things down

a little bit for a couple of months so just yeah so inshaallah i will have more time now wow awesome stuff yeah so we can talk in detail because now i don't want you to go up to the five hour one i want you to end before that yeah no definitely i need to wrap this up man this has gone on too long but jawad you know what it's it's a pleasure seeing just seeing honestly i love the positivity you bring man you just

come on so anything interesting by the way anything no i think we could leave it for the manchester oh yeah let's leave and you know what we'll do a we'll do a mine trap as well because it's been a while i haven't done minecraft and i've i was just thinking yesterday i need to let's pick them back up and why not with some tabarrukan all right so let's tell them allah make it a vehicle of goodness allah bless you okay we'll i'll have a good morning and go to sleep please cool drop me a message inshaallah i'm cool all right

people that was imam jawad and always a pleasure guys we've got to wrap this up you know what i've taken so long and other things i don't like this because then i feel nobody's going to listen to anything i've got to say because they'll be like ah yeah who the hell is going to play that which i don't blame them it makes sense i would think the same thing so guys let's wrap this up uh shukran for really staying with me all this way may allah bless you all keep you all smiling and you know fill your lives with joy i mean um people if you want to reach out to me drop me a message on instagram if you if you need to reach out to me on

a more one-to-one uh you want one-to-one personal perspective sessions then you can go to patreon you can select the tiers that's one of the tiers there are lower tiers where you can just be a part of my discord group which is called uh mindscape uh other than that we do have tomorrow night the book review so you can tune in for that should be about 11 p.m guys as always a pleasure may allah bless you all

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