Afghanistan & Taliban | Mufti Abu Layth

tolerance you know speaking about religious teachings especially when it comes to akam we've got right now uh the taliban coming to into power in afghanistan um i mean i suppose everything's a bit up in the air people are really confused because this is an interpretation of islam which is hanafi but also it's not like turkish hanafi which is or syrian or syrian hanafi which is hanafi and the the you know the resting place of the last major hanafi's in in the world was

the ottomans and people like abedin and those people but you see it is a an afghani hanafi film which is very culturally um it has a cultural strong cultural veneer to it so and people who don't practice according to that way um i don't know i i mean because they've only just got power now so we don't know what's going to yeah but but you see all these uh you know news interviews coming up where uh you know the cnn correspondent asks the mawlana sabha from taliban that you know you're

you know all of a sudden you guys are sort of promoting women's education and whatnot but you know so how is that going to be so he said it's going to be based on islamic principles whatever they hold to be islamic principles so she said what does that mean so he said that you know the woman will basically have to wear a hijab so the cnn correspondent she's actually wearing a headscarf and she says you mean like my hijab so he says no they have to wear the nikab so then the cnn correspondent asks that well is isn't not even an islamic thing so basically the mawlana sabha responds by

saying that no it is an islamic thing so basically you know there i thought wait a minute i i heard from someone that taliban said that we're not going to enforce them to with the nikab they just have to wait one of these spokespersons or maybe it's just one of the uh scholars on the streets but no he said no they will have to wear the nikon right okay because i i had heard from that they announced but then i don't think i don't think they organized to be honest i don't think i don't i think it's kind of like a fluke yeah maybe that's not maybe that's the issue but you know allah adam there's you know

only allah knows what's going on going about on the grounds because you know you're seeing so many conflicting uh images and videos coming from that region and if you're not all if you're not on the ground you genuinely don't know what's happening right um in terms of this situation if this is true then that only tells you that yeah we will sort of accommodate for women's rights but based on our understanding right if this is true i mean i you know the whole taliban thing um let me just go pull something out of the oven because

sure you go go for it man you go for it so people uh tell look at that amazing view that looks like that view is just right here in my room almost it looks like the way the camera is putting it all right that's imam maaz showing us that unlike you plebs i've got a lake view i've got a lakeside view how do you proletariat working class clebs peasants feel [Laughter]

i'm just messing so what are your thoughts people supposed to bring that one moment all right there it is i'm just waiting for i'll bring up your comments whilst i wait for um so yeah it's still too early to say what's going to be the scene in afghanistan you're back i was just telling people that i said uh i said that's imam showing us that unlike you plebs and peasants i have a

lakeside view [Laughter] i'm joking so no it's you know with the taliban thing coming back to that i feel in some ways let like i think that this really should have just happened from the beginning that they should never have been if you they should never have been a military invasion and because they just don't work and they make things worse secondly the issue is that let them you know look since you can't take it from them and you can't put somebody else in place despite billions of dollars being

invested and you can't seem to educate a nation within 20 years for some reason and you can't seem to develop an infrastructure for some reason despite billions and billions then let them rule it because the way i i'm thinking is that you see ruling a country is incredibly difficult that ruling anything i mean just forget a country i like i gave the example of trying try and set up an institut you know just run a household and then you just keep building you know to run a group a network a neighborhood organization accompanying a you know corporation a

conglomerate imagine getting at a level where you're running a country it's it's not a joke dealing with ministries international relations resources global economics it would you see this has come i feel too s like totally unexpected to the taliban and right now the discussion can be that oh are women gonna dress like this are they gonna dress like that or should we sit in bumper cars or should we kind of do this kind of like little jig with with our guns and dance around and sit in the gym and all these photos

going around or eat ice cream but it will the responsibility will dawn down so heavily on them that they'll realize damn this is actually how does one run a country because you can't you know you can't run a country without the world we are a global village and you need you need a global society if you especially if you want to flourish i'm not saying they're going to die without global networking but you can't flourish you can't prosper so yeah and then you know people people are saying that you know

individuals are being displaced and uh you know charities are sort of picking up on that but you know it took 20 years to be honest for people to become displaced it was not just in a matter of a day or a week as sort of people make it out to be but yo you know only time will talk well item only time will come it's too soon to sort of make uh i feel that you know it's a shame because so many people have played dirty politics with and proxy wars using afghanistan and the afghani people uh you know beginning with the russians the cia

you've got joel put it best uh joe biden he put it best he he said that you know afghanistan is a great graveyard of empires he said that that's that's a quote that he actually he actually said that in his like first speech about or second speech about afghanistan news press yeah and the question is it's you know it's left because one of the the the british headlines was that so what did they all die for you know

and this is a genuine question and it's a shame you know i feel honestly for that these people they you see they are not there's many people who just out of concern and out of good ethics they feel that look there should be some intervention and people should save these vulnerable people and and soldiers are just toyed with by politicians they are just unfortunately just on these kind of you know how you have in the olden days the puppet masters you have these politicians these people who just sit you know greasing off these contracts

and and they just send soldiers who just get killed and do and themselves kill you know and it's you see it's it's not even this there's the element that they they get killed there's the element that when you send someone to a place like that they then commit atrocities which and you know there's something dr zimbardo in psychology has this and he has a book on it called the lucifer effect and he did you know i don't know if you remember the stanford prison experiment and it was done in the late 70s and it's

an amazing you know like a landmark uh experiment well basically for the viewers that don't know you can watch it on youtube dr zimbardo what he did was he set up this prison experiment with fake prison where he got graduates and this is in the 70s and graduates so you can imagine they're not like today you know a dime a dozen they were like the creme de la creme and he got graduates to participate and they were randomly allocated you had prisoners and then you had the guards and it was a 14 day or i think a 12 to 14 day project

where they had roles and they had to do certain things and you know so the prisoners had to make sure and if they for example do something wrong you had to uh give them some kind of you have to sanction them and do something and so what they found what he found was people in authority they outright exploited that power and they went incredibly i mean incredibly nasty and they they really stooped to such levels that he

had to shut down the entire project within something like six days you had to shut this whole thing down within just six days now you you think about that this is a controlled experiment with cameras and people watching it and these were educated people who started to then torture they started to torture their fellow companions and colleagues so he had predicted incidents like the abu ghraib prison incident and he's highlighted many of his works that

when you send soldiers to a place they will commit atrocities it's the nature of the context that you give somebody in a position with power like that with other eyes demonized subhumanized the other they will build on that and they will really you know take it to town so so you have you know all of this to deal with you have the people that go there they themselves die they themselves kill others you have people over there displaced uh you know losing life a country just going down spiraling and

in a single term haraju right yeah in a single term to put it in a word right that's true i mean like from the hadith literature you know the killer doesn't know why he's killing and the one being killed doesn't know why he's being killed right at the end of the day yeah i see saracen much love for the super chat he's he's just said taliban 2.0 will be different than pre-911 as they cannot risk being isolationists i think they will involve in or evolve into something similar to saudi arabia

religious theocracy plus modernity yeah this is why i said that you know in many ways they should have just given it to them a long time ago because it is one thing to fight for something it is something else to live up to it living up to something is always infinitely or exponentially more difficult than fighting for it you see because when you fight all you have to do is resist when you have to live up to something the principles and deal with it without having to fight it's it's something else and and this

and it really is it defines who's real and who is so yeah along with stan absolutely you know i wrote something down the other day that um it's often time it's it's it's often times the innocent are consumed in the clash of the elites right so well honestly the like there's no value for for innocent blood today just people being killed left and right no sort of moral value to that although

i am just satisfied i mean that said i think we are equally in a day you see it's quite paradoxical because we are equally in a day and age which is also one of the most incredible times to be alive you know we it's a paradox because it's on one hand you we have things like this on the other hand we do also have it is true that you know we are in a time where people collectively the young the old the weak men women

all religions minorities animals pets the environment collectively there has never been a time where people or things have had more rights and celebrated as many freedoms as today collectively so there has been where some people may have had better privileges and freedoms than most you know most people today but collectively there's never been a time where people at large have managed to enjoy these kind of liberties or feel

that you know but my right my freedom to