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Monday Nights with Mufti Abu Layth: Session 140

salah salaah namaz prayer salaat namaaz as-salah al-salah salawat aqidah aqeedah aqida creed aqeeda aqaid fiqah jurisprudence fikh hadeeth ahadith ahaadeeth hadis ahaadith sahih saheeh sahih hadith saheeh hadith sound hadith malik ibn anas malik bin anas imam maalik imam malik ibn anas imaam imams prayer leader ka'bah ka'ba kaabah masjed masaajid masajid khutbah khutba khutbas faqih faqeeh fuqaha shari'ah shariat sharee'ah maaliki malikite malikiyyah maliki school hanafite hanafiyyah hanafi school qiyas qiyaas fatwah fatawa fatwaa fataawa legal opinion hukm ahkam hukum hukam ahkaam halaal permitted lawful forbidden sunna sunnat prophetic practice bid'ah bida biddat bidaa dalil daleel adillah adilla ribaa sood interest usury tawhid tawheed tauheed touheed kalam ilm al-kalam kalaam jinn jin jinnat jinni shaytan shaitan shaytaan iblis iblees shayateen shayatin satan akhirah akhira aakhirah akhirat hereafter jannah janna jannat jahannam jahanam jahannum quraan al-quran sura soorah suwar soora chapter aya ayat ayaat aayah aayat sahabah sahaba sahabi sahabiyyah sahabiyat mecca makka mekka shiah shiite shi'i twelver ithna ashari salafi salafis salafism wahabi wahhabism milad meelad milad un-nabi mawlid al-nabi mawlud eid milad 'alim aalim ulama ulema ulamaa dawa dawat da'ee invitation umma ummat community nikah nikkah nikaah nikah nama nikahnama niqaab burqa burka purdah parda face veil in sha allah insha'allah in shaa allah insha allah inshaa allah alhamdulillah alhamdulilah al-hamdu lillah alhumdulillah alhamdulillaah bismillah ir-rahman ir-rahim bismillahir rahmanir rahim bismillahi bismillah al-rahman al-rahim as-salamu alaykum assalamu alaikum assalamualaikum salaams salam alaykum wa alaykum as-salam greeting taqwaa muttaqi god-consciousness dhikr zikr zikar dhikar zikir adhkar azkar ikhlaas sincerity al-din ad-deen ad-din ibadah ibada ibaadah ibadat

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right all right so we just share this on momento momento right where am I mm-hmm

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all right all right how long does this take yes

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Arai and we are live in Al hamdulillah wa kafa on salat wa salam ala rasulina mustafa voila a bad deal a dinner table or a mummy hotel me Dada will be a sari Almudena dr. Fowler bad for Salaam alaikum assalam become Omer heaven running lights bienvenidos a todos hoppity served my for dinner but her rather hair who Sharma deed and people swagatam swagatam alright so Salam from

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Bulgaria Allah Akbar gurps asks straight away Mufti what are your thoughts on meditation was it meditation or mediation I'm going to Mohammed Sahib says I'm gonna be taking an exam so make to offer us see now that's the spirit you've got an exam but your priorities are in the right place you're watching Monday nights with North team that's what I'm talking about I like it you know I like it so

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folks what is going on how's my fractured foot it's healing it's healing I think it has to take a bit of time to heal unfortunately I want it done straightaway it just uh you know it gets better and then I just get excited and start running around it starts hurting again I'm like are damn [Laughter] well such is life such as life people now so what is going on people what is going on right guess the pass under calm

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me hint there all right so I'm at water Oh Wilma arrived bienvenidos all right you have the devil love from Pakistan I'm at a of right back at you man right back at you sugar and sugar and those much love to all of you mmm what's that somebody said Salam how see Hasib and Abu Zara graveyard printing at

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Hashim designs listen to mouth I don't know what that means no I don't know what that means my no no same Allah say hermano Allah say thoughts on more acaba what are our thoughts on maraca bah okay let's start taking some of these questions obviously bothering the Blessed folk of Facebook and social media bloody I'll need to go get a haircut you know I swear I've just been kind of quasi homebound for the past like what does it being now like almost

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two weeks this is like prison again [Music] [Laughter] [Music] right so as I can see my his way to get growing way too long need to get that cut down so the question were acaba shall we start with Morocco I've got one question on Morocco bar right so Morocco bar I suppose that is to do with kind of meditation a maraca bar I will translate

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it as kind of introspection ah did you think I was gonna translate it something simple Oh educated people here people [Laughter] introspection oh sure shall we jazz it up a bit more introspective analysis right so when a person is looking within not without but within and this kind of becoming conscious of

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the unconscious processes Allah Allah Allah what are these words are just flowing today yeah II thought okay I get what's going on alright so yeah so Morocco but I think people can do that it's basically like meditating I don't think these things were taught to us by Islam but I don't think in the sense I don't think they were structurally taught I don't mean you Connie I'm sure you can infer certain things but I don't think they were against Islam to

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practice these things oh yeah is watching oh yeah what a name doing it doing it we will later on be looking at today I will be responding or sharing my thoughts and my critique I'm critically little bit and this is why we are sitting right here for critique on share

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critique I will be sharing my critique my review of Jonathan Brown aka Jack he's his lecture on on slavery so I watched the lecture I went through was that he I don't know if somebody asked am i doing something I didn't make sense to me right so yes I watched his lecture

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it was I think hosted by chef Yasir Qadhi I don't know whether in that particular lecture that I watch it he has an oddly does have some important he just kind of come curves and adds a few points in there but I will share my thoughts on this what do I think what do I think obviously I wasn't really overall mm pleased with Jonathan Browns overall presentation on slavery from an Islamic perspective I thought he kind of

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I thought he let the team the Muslim team the Islamic team down nothing new there though you know this one it's not like he hasn't let us down on other things on the age of Aisha and many other things he's also equally a letdown but on this I was expecting and I'll do a kind of my analysis on that little later on what else people in addition to the Q&A right I will stand later on I will as part of the masala segment I will share a my

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thoughts on a correction a correction later on on somebody called Ismail Roya I was asked it's my Royals upset i backbiting him you know this one not nice you know this one go out terrorism kill people blow bombs but get upset with backbiting this

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one we call we call na soup massage sensitive you know sensitive no problem no I problem I'm a No welcome back to this brother later on in the end in the masala segment masala masala Mufti masala and I also speak a bit on shaadi al moosari doctor doctor Saab dr.

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Shah Dilma sorry his support for this tacit tacit assets port for the kind of anti-black movements or anti blackness and and also receive new and interesting inter interesante you know interesante so you know that's at the end will cost cast some words on these people but till then what is what is going on folks what is bothering what

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is bothering the awesome folk of Facebook what preoccupying your minds right so Mufti are you a liberal Deborah there Brad long silent saying I feel I missed these Monday night well welcome back welcome back bursal asks are you a are you a liberal he's on to me what I mean this one you know it's interesting

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because liberal from a political perspective yes of course I believe that the state should have less authoritarian control over people so from a political perspective of course I believe in the liberties and freedoms of people but what does that mean when we apply this paradigm of politics to religion KSS all so what does this mean people what does this mean it makes zero sense when

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applied to Islam because Islam was never meant to be authoritarian in normal okay Dada hello Korea tan AFSA do her work as a leaky upon Kings and kingdoms when they come to a people they just cause corruption as Allah says this teen was free we had Liberty from the offset so I don't know what that means nowadays liberal is a kind of insult word that is used by

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people who who live in a fantasy world and our border are control freaks so they wish to exert control on other people they have a fake sense a false sense of nostalgia that they think they are appealing to so they think you know there's some kind of Awesome Marinol worldview that they've got they use that as an excuse to try to control people and when they can't control people when people refuse to be controlled by them

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they'll throw the label or you liberal I'll and so right so that's so that's what so I don't really know what lip another thing people tend to use the word liberal for is if you're not strict so they think a lion is messenger our super street but then they obviously dumbfounded when they see hadith like in Bihari that the Prophet never had a choice except chose the parsimonious the

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most easiest of options so they tried to kind of do gymnastics with this with this Adi so and they see a hadith like the Dean is a Dean of ease and they shun it aside and they see all these and they try to present basically its insecure people using religion to try to control other people and anybody who challenges that they her labels like Oh liberal at them you see I don't need to try to control other people I don't need to try to use the Dean as an excuse to control

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people so somebody said there's an undercover Wahhabi in the chart huh come on well I'll be everybody's welcome people people our mojave brethren are welcome as well right so what's going on people what's going on right right some people had asked about mullet since the month of Mawlid is upon us right what are our thoughts on mullet I've answered this

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time and time again so it gets a bit repetitive and and I've got much more lengthier responses online on youtube so you can watch that now you see mole it is not it is okay it's very clear that mole it is an innovation there's no question about that it's an innovation the question is as in what we mean by innovation as in it was not something that the Prophet himself did all the Companions of early Islam came up with

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so it's definitely something that was introduced a good few hundred years after whether it was four hundred years after the Prophet or five hundred years after the Prophet is debated but nevertheless you know it doesn't really bother us that much doesn't bother when it was introduced the point is yes it is an innovation but it is something that is now widespread so if you know the majority of the Muslims celebrate moly the mo lead is in essence the birthday the birthday of the Prophet so even though in Islam we're not really

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so clear when the birthday of the Prophet was but you know people have got some estimated dates whether it they want to but the point is they choose a day within this month and what they will do is they will say well okay we're going to commemorate this day birthday maybe we'll have some speeches about the profit that kind of stuff I I see absolutely no harming if people want to do things like that if they want to commemorate the birthday of the Prophet if they wish to have some kind of a gathering they want to do thicker they

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want to feed the poor they want to make it as an opportunity to have I don't know food a kind of event to bring people together I don't see any problem even though it is technically an innovation but I don't see any problem with that then you have some people who turn it into a procession so they're gonna go on a March and they're gonna kind of I don't know make these big like maybe they'll make this this kind of

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replica of the prophets Dome the prophet's mosque and carry that through the streets and some people might just carry large placards or large kind of signs and posters saying you know it's the birthday of the Prophet it's the birthday of the Prophet this kind of stuff doesn't really make sense to me I don't know why people do things like that I think of anything it just if anything it just becomes inconveniencing for other people who try to use those streets who try to go from A to B and it's obviously gonna you know it's gonna

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cause a lot of issues so I don't and it doesn't make any sense you know marching up and down the street saying the Prophet was born it doesn't make any sense to me as a person fine if it makes commemorating the birthday of the Prophet by holding an event can make sense you want to bring people together you want to feed some people you want to use the opportunity to teach people about the Prophet that's all fine but marching up and down the streets to me if anything you're just going to irritate other people cause a nuisance and an inconvenience so I that I I don't support that kind of stuff

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some people's celebrate I mean there's not sorry not celebrate they decorate their entire house and put up all these Christmas lights and and they used the symbol what was kind of like an icon representing the shoe of the Prophet that's not I mean in all honesty I doubted that was really the kind of shoe of the proc but I mean that kind of stuff people I suppose back then wore this kind of stuff I'm not really down with that but people can do whatever they want is their personal property you know they want to stick up Christmas

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lights and say it's the birthday of the prophets the birthday of Rafi okay it does look a bit weird some people go be OTT over the top and you know some people make these massive birthday cakes that is amusing a massive birthday cake for the Prophet and you think okay I'm a bit confused why we've got birthday cake for the Prophet but okay so I find these kind of things folkloric I find them

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weird I wouldn't personally ever do stuff like that but people do it what do we want to and I wouldn't encourage all that kind of stuff the first layer of just saying look let's use this as an opportunity to call people you know round talk about the Prophet that kind of stuff I would say is absolutely fine and you know good if people want to do it I don't think you should condemn people or criticize them if they're doing things like that let them do it that's what I think likewise if somebody isn't celebrating mo lead I don't think you after anybody has the right to

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criticize them or kind of say oh they don't love the Prophet or something that's stupid because this whole practice is an innovation in Islam anyway so it doesn't this can't become the measure for the love of the Prophet so it's definitely not something by which we can criticize others okay so I hope that makes sense alright Ben is in the house I lost island a low silent Nadeem Ahmed said Gangu Teli Gangu Teli Baba for either

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beam Gangu Teli is our dear acquaintance from a hobby defense who called they used to call it so many defense but then he got chucked out which our esteemed this guy came to defend the Sun Sun nice sunny defense and he got chucked out what kind of an abysmal failure do you have to be to be get chucked out of the swimming defense buddy got checked out the so many defense but he's always had

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a strong obsession for me which is show I mean by all means it's kind of mm it's okay it's it's creepy stroke flattering stroke Stalkings it's you know okay the guy is obsessed with me TK I mean I can't argue with being obsessed with me huija yeah you know the charm janym some Joker oh this is this one it happened you know sometimes but it does

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get a bit you know freakish in creepy now that he's been obsessed with me for about one and a half years and he stalks me so like as though he's an ex-con like why do I guess these kind of people you stalk me why me forget this this doesn't make sense why do I get this kind of other people get their other they get their disgruntled exes

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to stoke them and to kind of and I hate people like Baba Farid azim Gangu Teli he stalks me but anyway so somebody said nothing you must have heard him you see you know the irony is that even the level of obsession these guys have with me even I start to doubt myself that I must have hurt them because I can't believe that these are people who I actually don't even know like I you know if it wasn't for their extreme obsession I'm being

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besotted by me I wouldn't even know that they exist I mean so but I even think to myself you know what no I must have hurt them oh maybe they had a very problematic childhood or a relationship with a car eSAB and that person resembles me the other day and and we're speaking I mean those of you that know

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she's a job dear friend and a relative as well so we were talking about generally that's he said about how Allah MA and Cora don't have any relationship with with with the young people so he said to me that you know he's talking about a lecture that was going on and he said to me it's so clear that the other scholar was asking him that look you need to ask yourself why don't you have a relationship with your students because the guy because the one of the scholars were saying basically if we

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don't teach kind of robotic Lee and robustly these people for students from a young age about like motherís are training then they'll turn away from Islam they'll never come to us at a later age this was the discussion so the other scholar is saying to him that look yeah but why don't you have a relationship with your students and so talking about these with chefs the joy he was telling me and I said well actually he'll probably turn around say what are you talking about I do have a relationship

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I've just done whistle right now this is the problem of course I have a relationship I have a mini relationship with these students this one but this one wrong type of relationship you know what are these people I think I'm just too far gone I think my my humor I I just think there's no hope for people I'm under the incorrigibles find of banner now this is it's too late people

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I'm right so let's let's deal with some questions people let's what is bothering what is preoccupying the beautiful minds of my gente of my people that's a bad joke of course it's a bad joke it's it's it's a terrible sense of humor that's why I'm telling you I'm too far gone no what is going on people awesome alone in that you naughty

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naughty I have to say though I enjoy your memes the memes that awesome shares on Facebook always have me in stitches not less let's look at some questions that people may have already posted me oh no question are they are questions Salaam Hassan say it says Salam Mufti much love right right back at you much love from California alright californica leaf as lost Khalifa's this

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is my first time how can I join the live stream what a simple question just join come live Deborah is asking I will be able to join Sharon love right Sharky Sharky Shikamaru shakey Shikamaru asks what was the religion of Muhammad ancestors whoa what was the religion of Muhammad not Prophet Muhammad

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but Muhammad yeah shaky okay so what are you doing a bit bit bit of respect a bit of veneration please and how accurate are the stories about the prophet's father and grandfather okay first of all a lot of the clot of the stories to do with the Prophet pre prophethood or even in very early prophethood when many people weren't Muslim all when the Prophet was a child or his own parents or his grandparents or a lot of these

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stories although we can use them sometimes to kind of add to a picture but they not going to be you know incredibly authentic because who will be transmitting these things you've got to understand that who would be doing that it's this is gonna be just hearsay that was late wrong transmitted so there isn't much authenticity what is the view on the Satanic Verses for Han Mir asks ibrahim is in the house domicile and Alamosa helen marhaban right and the Satanic Verses

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are fabricated verses really and as many of the great scholars like all the yard the Maliki legend from Muslim Spain what he had said was that look this these things are clear fabrications and you shouldn't really pay any heed to them you shouldn't really reflect you know don't give them any unwarranted attention unlike people like hypnagogia who started to say well actually they can even be authentic and even correct me if I'm wrong I believe even even at Amina

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was he not of the same I believe use of the same understanding that there's enough for some kind of basis of an argument that the hadith the chains are viable which is nonsense basically the Satanic Verses is that the Prophet is made of part of the Quran and he gets better still not only did he make up all the Quran he made it up to please the pagans by praising their gods I mean how ridiculous does that get because it would just compromise the

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entire message of the Quran what are the Satanic Verses are in surah 2 nijem following the verse where Allah says Allah al Osama not a little okra the law addresses three of the major pagan gods like lat and so that was very popular in the ages there was a kind of Kaaba dedicated to lat in in bath was very very was the kind of I believe was the kind of

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warrior girl goddess and maybe a but nevertheless but was venerated in muck as well and and man at man at was I believe like a goddess of fortune or things like this and wishes and stuff like that but so and there were many other gods like who bill was actually a very popular God in Makkah but the one mentioned in surah 2 nojima these three man at lat Waller sow and manat the third Allah says so after that allegedly the Prophet said till kalarani killer

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Allah were inertia fat or taja so these are not what I just right now not verses of the Quran the fabrications that the Prophet interpolated he kind of added these verses into sort of medium and and it means that they are great tycoons these are kind of great beings entities these these three goddesses and indeed on the day of judgment people will seek the intercession this was these were made up verses they don't actually exist Anand

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Krishna Anand I mean GfK Alcazar all they could both Anand Anand is saying in Tim mcintoshes book he refers to harlots and obviously as having recited surat al-ikhlas prior to the prophet it's verified in any hadith of surah literature a very interesting question energy Dev Anand right so those of you that oh they run in the very popular actor from historical nevertheless let's get to

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this question you see there was a person by the name of Holly didn't seen an allure obscene now Holly the lopsy some people feel was a prophet before Islam so there is a hadith I believe it's in Papa Ronnie if my memory serves me correct but it's in some of the other non major non I mean they all they still popular but not the upper kind of echelon of hadith books the main pantheon of hadith books with let's say

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things like the popular six and the more Thor and maybe the Muslims of Ahmed and so if you've got a hierarchy it's not in that now there is a hadith oh sorry I stand corrected oh my memory corrects me it's in the Muslim double it's in Alba's are you think ice not got the game I still got it it's in a bazaar if I'm correct not in tehrany now the hadith is the Prophet when asked about harlot even see Nana

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oopsie he said that canna bein the Yahoo home he said that that was a Nabi whose people wasted him now it's interesting who was Holly didn't escena and then scholars got into a discussion over this obviously panaka theory Majoli and these people were not too happy with the whole thing saying no no there's a hadith in Saudi Muslim and so on that the Prophet said there was no prophet between him and Jesus and so on and nevertheless I would say that look Holly

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TIPNIS Anan elopes II was I definitely I believe he may have days potential that he may have been a prophet or a divinely inspired individual he was somebody that called against who fought against paganism he believed in the oneness of God he believed he called to this kind of Dino Hanif and and there is some debate over when he was as well some people said he was right back to maybe 600 years before the Prophet some people said no use only in the century before the Prophet and he

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apparently taught similar things I don't think he recited surat al-ikhlas I think that assertion if made would be incorrect there was another personality by the name of Cygnus Rider you think mostly just sits here with his buddy spikey here and he's not on the game he's not on the on the ball oh I've got my eye on the game he burned so so this

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other person by the name of who was from the tribe yet and yeah D see how I'm zoning him narrowing it down people cause sickness Ida and yeah he was somebody who may some people feel may have been a prophet or a divinely inspired person this person the prophet actually met and the prophets of Allah I live Selim met him when the Prophet was a young man some people have said maybe he was in his early 20s maybe he was 25

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maybe he was around that kind of age they feel and he may have met him before but at that age he definitely they feel he met this person who said no cider now [Music] right so Cigna cider used to come to places like suka or curve those of you that remember suka of girth not because of your memories you're not that ancient but because of your knowledge succoth was the the kind of market yeah the kind of markets that were held at just by

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thought okay it was a major market and part of the the market annual cycle so in suka occurred what kusik messiah would do is he would admonish people for paganism and he would remind them of an afterlife and he has very short sermons which in nature do resemble some of the Mucky surahs they kind of short and they resemble that slightly they're not identical but they resemble in nature like the way he speaks of the day of judgment and the afterlife and he was on one occasion when the Prophet met him it is transmitted that he was one of the

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first people to sit camel mount so he would be mounted his camel exactly and from there gave a sermon now they say that the prophet saw him as a young man and he was preaching and he was saying to them that don't be misled by these idols and that know that they will be a day when you face your Lord and so on and people say in some way is this maybe inspired the prophets of Allah I live Salaam to in a similar way in his final hatchet order to give his football was mounted on a camel kind of

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bringing that almost full circle to this message of the heat I mean I find it amazing and beautiful to some people they may find these things disturbing I don't know why but they feel that oh my god what no but why not I mean the Prophet never claimed that he always that he was never inspired by the people of course he would be inspired by people and those of you that study Sheree I've heard the statement Albania a laminate died it's a famous hadith right in societies Albert you know Allah moneda whosoever makes

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the claim must bring the proof a beginner a la moneda the who soever makes that that one must bring the beginner the delete this is actually the statement of awesomeness either and although the Prophet said it and it got transmitted as a hadith but it's arguably it was said earlier as part of the teachings of Awesomeness ayah so this is a long tradition of submission to the one God it isn't something to kind of freak out about some people free can't think oh my god oh my god why would the Prophet be inspired by the

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people why not so I thought since somebody asked I think that's a very important thing to kind of mention I don't have a problem with mounds jelled appear I mean I have a problem with my hair yeah I need to go to the hairdresser's I've been kind of homebound for this whole week I need to I'm not sure some ultra traditionalists with Mount is his hyper liberal thought process my hyper [Laughter]

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Piper liberal well up to it and even ahima yes sir me honey me jitney hum chore DDT pay money me as the poet says that now we can't even get that much that small amount from the Winehouse from the local pub from the Mahana up to

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18 even a mere survey honey and jitney hum today today pay money and the amount that we would actually leave in a class that we would just leave it now we can't even get that from the whiners Oh what is going on people so so you're saying so right class was revealed before profit no I didn't say that so I said I'll be you know I love this is how you know that what was called Chinese whispers or telephone or if this is how that game works I said something and

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he's trying to making something totally different here I said that this the hadith of Aegina a la moneda I was said by awesomeness Ida a cha cha cha the surah class was before the Prophet I [Laughter] said cool aside they gave bow you know whilst mounting a camel and and the Prophet gave a cha cha cha so you're saying the Prophet is copied the whole Quran this war no winning you know this

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one can you give you thoughts on the early ban on hadith transmission compilations somebody said I can't stand our man is not a scholar and is an attention-seeking fraud no transmission diploma right so right dull woman I watched this clip of Dollar Man where he's sitting I don't know where they say I think it's a Masjid but he's got this clip which is

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then blurred out because it's an ITV I think it's a good morning breakfast or one of those the breakfast shows clip with some woman is speaking about how she is a spy I don't know if it's a spirit or a demon or something that possesses her I don't she's not a Muslim but she's saying that some I think she uses the word demon so she says this demon or this thing that possesses a has sex with her so she's saying this on a clip I think it on an interview with I

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think good morning ITV oh it's one of those good morning channels I think around programs so they it may be the one we Philip Schofield and whatever but because that woman's blurred out the picture I can't really see what's going on so he's blurred it out for taqwa purposes oh if we see this woman for God God forbid lest we become that demon and then go and possessor so anyway he's blurred out this whole picture of the whole thing this interview mini

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interview and she says yes you know so I so this demon comes and possesses me and has sex with me I don't know whether it's every night or every other night but it's quite frequent so then that woman goes yes it is true the Djinn have sex with people they come even even if it is a halal nikka even if it is a halal Mika he says but if you don't say you do ah then the Shaitaan the Shaitaan gets in there as well

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[Laughter] so the first question is yeah how does somebody invoke such demons I'm asking for a friend are there any of these female demons that kind of oh god forbid I mean I just want to know what do I not to read if somebody can just tell me the door that you're not to read because it would

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invoke the female kind of statements so I just definitely would print that and I'd be like that's one Nev not not to read right so yeah so and so then this thing the other man says that look even if it's a halal marriage the devil is in there with you what is going unless you

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say the door at that time uh hi yeah is he doing we're easy to remember she's gonna be like at that time it's gonna be like let me put a topi on my head bismillah I mean that's hardly the time that one is gonna be like think of some let me use this fortunate time to do be a vicar these are not happening not vicar you

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see the difference is the car with the kisara means remembrance thicker and thicker in Arabic means the male genitals this one slight difference you know the bigger that this one not walk the vicar this different time so I don't I don't get the obsession with this whole if you don't say adieu ah oh my god the demons the demons are involved I mean Oh brace yourself brace yourself

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calm down calm down all right so no devil is involved no Shaitaan is involved relax and relax and I had tranquilo tranquilo right the Diablo is not here this is just you don't need to become OCD you don't need to become obsessed with these things just be natural people relax this is a dhinam which is in sync in harmony with nature let it be like that don't get all

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weird and an OCD and kind of pernickety on these little things and turn the deen into something just that it isn't okay cool sleep paralysis see look people you know this thing a lot of cultures have this because sometimes you sleep paralysis okay let's take a look at sleep paralysis now sleep paralysis is not that the devil doing something to you you see when a person goes to sleep

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you they would go through certain stages of sleep that can actually be measured so if you get like an electroencephalogram and you wire it up you can actually see the brainwaves fluctuating so a person enters different realms of sleep and this is something quantifiable it's not I'm not just saying this is this can be measured and it is measured you can even measure it I mean my bloody watch does it that's it but it does it right so I get you know if you get if you're on the app you can see in the sleep the amount of deep sleep the amount of different sleep

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stages that took place so right what you have quite simply stage one to four right I don't need to count that out that would be deeply embarrassing right so and then you have stage one is very like sleep stage two it's just slightly deeper but stage three and four are deep sleep for definitely now after stage four you have REM which is rapid eye movement now REM lasts a very short span of time it is also called paradoxical

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sleep the reason REM is called paradoxical sleep is because the brain activity acts as though you're awake so it kind of peeks and goes back to so that the electroencephalogram would read as though you're awake but you're not awake now REM doesn't last very long probably about 90 seconds or so but the point is during REM a lot of dreams occur they don't have to occur exclusively in REM they can occur in Stage four or the other stages but they do occur in REM and the eyes are if you look at somebody in REM the eyeballs will be okay

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hence it's called rapid eye movement now whilst in REM the body is entirely paralyzed you're actually paralyzed you cannot move but it lasts for such a short span of time you wouldn't know if for some reason you were to wake up to in rem let's say there was a sound are you awoken you would actually feel the paralysis you can't you won't be able to lift your arm you'd be like paralyzed until it wears off and you'll be like [Music] and try to struggle to move an arm and this can be quite scary it does not mean

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that you're possessed by a ghost it does not mean that the devil is having sexual intercourse with you that's it's just a natural process called friend okay so nothing to worry about relax la tranquila just go back to sleep if if it's going to make you feel better you can read something you know people say like oh you can say something like in some of the author it's transmitted the Prophet said if somebody was feeling uneasy they can say you know like la hawla wa la quwwata illa billah and they can go to sleep and sometimes some

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narrations even transmit a ritual of doing something like not where you spit but where you kind of blow as though your is aspirated like like that like and you to do that towards the left shoulder like this is it's just a ritual it is contested that it's not authentic but I'm just saying it's transmitted in some of the books or a person just says la la la la la vela turns over goes to sleep

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I'm turns off let's shake but the point is so it's nothing to worry about people get all freaked out and I can understand these things are scary but it's natural it's not the Djinn so I hope that explains sleep paralysis and REM is actually a lot of psychologists and neuroscientists and people like researchers are not too sure what REM does except it is incredibly crucial for our well-being and existence for us to

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you know our longevity of life so they have done experiments with things like cats for example where they put a cat in a certain like a small kind of island if you like a mini island of water surrounded by water and what would happen is the cat would go to sleep and when it would hit rent because of the paralysis it was his paws would kind of go into the water and because it would go into the water would wake up so because it would wake up it would be deprived of REM so but it could sleep but it would just be deprived of REM and they wanted to see the long-term effects and what happened is after I've

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forgotten now the the finites of the of the research but after so long so many days the cat has died it was like they totally didn't expect that they did not expect the cat to die but he just died and we've seen with human beings if you're deprived of REM you when you do go to sleep your mind your body seems to compensate the amount of REM and it seems to double it and you seem to go well into deep sleep very swiftly so one kind of rhythm is usually about ninety minutes long but this is done much quicker anyway that's a bit of psychobabble right this I talk let's

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move on to the next question right so good question McCarter I don't know what that question is how did they not expect that that's cruel I don't think they expected it to although I'm not sure those kind of experiments will be allowed right now but you got to remember when experiments were taking place in psychology especially with when the behaviorism was at its peak the you know these kind of [Music] especially like you talk in the 60s 70s maybe even into the 80s a lot of the ethics committees did allow a lot of things and now a lot of these things

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will be allowed by ethic committees right so can arch cap hodge okay your hood Kailash key Ahuja not meet the hello Archie hood catch a nut measuring a gimme see the simple answer to this is generous make easy kebab garage 13 I at the end of the day it's God's power it's look salvation is for anyone and everyone one of the

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problems is we feel that only we have an exclusive right to salvation why Allah says you know you can do whatever he wants so why do we feel that we have an exclusive right to salvation Allah says in the Quran that those you know about alladhina har do oneness or are these people and the nasarah wasabi een and those people that were the serabian and do good deeds that they have salvation that's a verse of the quran isn't it so I know some people said well because they found that difficult with Muslim theology the institutionalized theology they then had to interpret that to say

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maybe was talking about those people who were before and passed away as before the Prophet King but if that's the case then why is a lot revealing it to the Prophet he could have said oh those people before you don't worry about them but yeah well hobbies say it's like a passport you got or not expire or not lost it or not see this is the problem you see the irony is this is the very thing that the Jews in the Quran at the

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time of the Prophet were criticized for this attitude of exclusivity that Allah says to them you know that hurt them in the lie Adam Faline usually follow what you know like that have you that do you have some kind of a covenant or some kind of a promise with Allah that you know that the hood said Allah says in the Quran abner lie about that we are you know that we are the sons of God and the chosen people of God who he has guarantee like it's paradise is only for

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us why I mean this was the attitude that was critiqued and the irony is that we have kind of become that you know you condemn something so much you become it so yeah right so cool what are the things are going on people there was something there was a question that I thought oh yeah I want to answer that I'm trying to think what it was right I don't anyway if it comes to me oh right somebody had asked something I

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think did somebody say something about yeah Jewish my true right I know I've spoken previously and obviously I had a bit of fun as I'm sure many of us did hearing sheffy I said are these response on maybe because yeah Jew Jamaat huge doesn't make any sense maybe it might be some peas which was as hilarious as he gets but I did actually have an interesting here was you see it would have been more interesting for people like yourself Adi rather than to say zombies but to suggest what if the saw

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the yeah to gin the Matt George of the past of the past were drum roll effect this one what if the yeah to Jan the matter George of the past once I tell you this everything will make sense it is right what if they were

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denisa van hybrids Oh seriously check this out I'm not saying this is what they were but if he went for something like this it would actually be more interesting and right now Denis ovens were kind of they were kind of they were of species that were like cousin species if you like to Homo sapiens like Neanderthals we now know that Denis ovens coexisted

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we also have evidence that strongly supports that there was hybridization between not only me and atolls and Homo sapiens were also Neanderthals and Denisovans and Denis Evans and Homo sapiens why do we feel this that there was hybridization so for example there are some we know today Homo sapiens especially non African Homo sapiens carry anything between one to four percent DNA that is Neanderthal DNA so if you go back enough in time it would have been rich obviously it's been

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diluted over the over the ages so now Danny 7 DNA traces of Denis event DNA's also found in some human populations especially the South Eastern Asian like not like India but going further beyond like Indonesia that kind of region and the Melanesian kind of region the this populace of people do share they have some small percentage of Denisovan DNA

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that seems to be what geneticists are looking into also the people in the Himalayan mountains that kind of lived there and that can survive at such high altitudes you see if people if you and I went to the Himalayan mountains we would really struggle to survive and it's not that these people that are let's say that are in the Himalayan mountains I mean they are better adapted obviously they used to the cold they used to the temperature but the genes are actually different they actually have a gene that the rest of Homo sapiens don't have so the Himalayan people they have a

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particular gene that allows them facilitates for them breathing at such high altitudes that and the rest of the human population do not have that gene is the same one that is found in Denis Evans lived in the Siberian part of the you know of the globe and eastern Asia and most likely in southern America South America by the way also there's a few traces of Denis 'van kind of genes so one thing interesting is that ten e

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servants it is assumed may have been of a certain of a of a larger structure than to Homo sapiens when I say larger perhaps because they found so first of all tinnie sevens most likely or they come directly from Homo heidelbergensis so we come from Homo heidelbergensis as well but a bit later down so as do Neanderthals now Homo heidelbergensis the general findings is that the bone structures that have been found seemed to show that they were

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slightly of a larger stature like taller like probably anything between seven to eight maybe nine foot tall some of them this is the kind of hypothesis with Homo heidelbergensis as the undertones were much shorter than we are so Neanderthals and average were probably around five foot tall now Homo sapiens have been steady the way we you know anything between whether you're gonna say I don't know maybe five foot whatever is five foot nine average person going to six foot something like this this has been quite steady with Homo sapiens now you

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see with Danny seven the molars the tooth molars that have been found seemed to be quite large compared to normal human molars and they found a kind of bone ligament necessary a limbo I think of the of the lake which also suggests that it was of a slightly larger stature I just think that's interesting so there are some theories that were the hybrids of Denisovans and Homo sapiens much more intelligent and they had perhaps an advanced civilization or not I don't know this is something that Graham Hancock is now looking into

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Andrew Collins has been pushing it was actually the this was one of the books that I was taking a look at Denis Savannah regions and this one's by Andrew Collins and it was quite interesting looking at all of this so if somebody was to say oh I wonder if they were this yeah huge Madrid of the past that would at least be more interesting I'm not saying they were and you know at least viable as a theory as opposed to zombies and this kind of stuff although one would ask them how would it work for the end of times how does that yeah a

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true John matter which always that separate all these are just questions I'm putting them out there I'm just kind of messing with your mind people hey Mufti I am Hanafy 'what's the ruling on easting jurist injure him new stern that means masturbation so the person abdullah hussein said hey Mufti hey muthi 'what's the ruling on esteem now which means masturbation and then he won't report bill yet with the hand so you know that masturbation is with the

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hand as opposed to okay but then in between up the saying he said is the matter PL was that what is this he gotta be he going to character while he was writing he gotta be evoked some kind of memories he goes what is the ruling

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honest and well right you see the thing is that these things people what what is why are people so uptight whether somebody else touches his own private parts happy hard come to know saying are you hit me going to she touch his own parts his own body I mean people are so obsessed why is not themselves one is I can understand if they want to kind of you know regulate

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their own actions and their own they are obsessed why is somebody else touching his own body are you gonna touch it for them the person at least deal with his own body for God's sake this stuff you know this is the level of control freak behavior that we have unfortunately in amongst the Muslims this this is why we're so well back it's because of I wonder which this I think is maybe part

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of the Neanderthal genes have carried on which where are they getting this DNA from why are we so short strong it doesn't make sense let people do whatever they want in private it's not none of your business why is why is somebody touching his own body in private you know if you gave somebody like that the control panels of Earth this whole existence would just come to an end

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hmm bothers me bothers me I'm losing sleep these things are not Haram relax let people be it's them think about it why would God give them a body and then punishing to punish them for touching their own body that's a bit cruel isn't it that's a bit like saying you know I'm gonna give you a body and then I'm gonna give you certain erogenous zones that that that help you feel good and if you touch them they help you feel good ah but if you touch them I'm gonna burn

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you that's just one evil cruel being why would God do that that's just a sick game that's like are you really thirsty oh yeah here's a nice cold drink I'm just gonna put it here and if you decide to drink it I'm just gonna cut your head off with a chainsaw so so anyway

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somebody said save your parts for your future wife yeah but that doesn't make any sense look if somebody else can touch your private parts but you can't touch your own private parts what is this what kind of games sick games are we playing here that's just like dumb isn't it that's just like I can get somebody so can I get a robot to do it what if I don't use my hand then use an apparatus where I'm not actually touching technically see it's a stupid it's these kind of things that turn

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religion into a joke this is the problem you know the mentality human beings we just don't deserve certain things we don't deserve religion honestly we we've we have this and we've turned it into a tool to control people to exert control to to kind of to make other people suffer to make them feel guilty to make them you know I tell you something let me share a thought with you people I was thinking about this the other day right drew I was having a chat with someone

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now you know this thing of human beings taking on appropriating divine attributes like becoming demi quasi gods by let's be honest I don't mean in a worship sense but the way Yuval Harare for exam writes about homo Deus that the next stage for Homo Sapien is to become a God not in the worship sense but like how you know all-powerful all seeing all these kind of things like look at the internet look at what so for I spoke

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about once what I project of Google on I know Google has Google Earth but a project way you could in real time view something like Google Earth but in real time so imagine you could now Zone in and zoom into the property or whatever is this address and actually see it in real time they're actually working on that and I believe that within a decade that would be like available technology it's not something so now okay just put this thought aside I was having this

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discussion because those of you that know recently there's this Pakistani celebrity I don't think she was terribly I don't think she was I don't know how famous she was I had only recently come to hear of her but she's a singer and as a singer and I I think she may have starred in some TV dramas I don't know but her name is Robbie pousada so Robbie that's the name although that's a strange name actually because I think normally that's a guy's name but so anyway or Robbie maybe they call it Rob Ibiza though Rob yet but anyway so

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this celebrity recently there was this whole thing and he was all over the certain newspapers if you follow them especially in Pakistan India even The Times of America shady I believe and it's all over Twitter and everything that her new nude videos got leaked okay so she'd made some videos of herself and they got leaked some now some people have said oh was it because she was she's outspoken she was criticizing the army of Pakistan so they did this to get her back some people said no it was an ex-boyfriend who did this

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to get her back now so the point is that these were videos they were videos that she had made right but I think she'd made them in privacy so and she's you know naked in these videos and things and she must have been sending them to her partner and stuff like this and maybe he's leak them maybe I don't know whether the army leaked them they're saying or whoever leaked them but you know I was just thinking about this not in that sense but we're thinking about this discussion about this and we're just having a discussion and I was just

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saying that look you know the problem you see the Internet has a kind of godlike quality of never forgetting you see this woman's life is is over it's game over it is like she was I don't know how pop I don't think she was that popular but she was popular enough she used to go on talk shows and things but she can never do that in Pakistan because the internet will not forget and you see because in a country like Pakistan they just won't accept that now

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I mean that that people will be like oh because she's kind of exposed to like because she's naked in these videos allegedly not that I've seen it I think she's done this campaign to try and take the videos down but once things are on the internet they the internet never forgets and it is very unforgiving in that sense and this power for human beings to have we don't deserve these

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powers this is too much power for us to handle like in a normal let's say you - this new modern power of the Internet this thing let's say a person was firstly I think look it's nobody's business what she does in her private life we can easily look we can easily blame her or anyone why did they record themselves as as naivety or as you know silly or you shouldn't do things like that it's easy to do that but the point is it is still behind closed doors

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now whosoever leaked this they have in essence just ruin this person's life forever like she the only irony is the only solace she has is that a country like Pakistan it has NIC up so she can wear her niqab and go about and nobody knows it's her but I mean that's the kind of irony right because I mean she's not from that kind of a background that's why but I mean yeah it's and in a way it's it's it's kind of it is disturbing because

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you think that's just like so cruel in a way isn't it like you know people and it's not just like her thing is just an example I'm speaking about it but because she's a popular person it's a good example to use that in the past if if these things happen maybe some people did something and then I don't know a year later everybody's got on with their lives again but in this day and age you see the Internet has this kind of divine quality of never being able to forget and we as human beings this is what I'm saying we have now we're entering a

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world where we imagine that Google thing comes into effect and we have the ability the all-seeing we have this like we can see now oh I'm oh where are you I'm just at this place right now okay let me just zoom in is your car parked over there I can see it through this in real time I mean that would the you know the all-knowing like the amount of knowledge we have at our fingertips the access the you know the never forgetting that these qualities have come to us too and we don't know how to handle them as

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a species I feel I mean don't get me wrong I love these this technology and I think it's amazing I'm sure we all appreciate the internet but it's but it is scary as well at the same time that how this power is so easily overwhelmingly destructive like it can just zap a person's life just like that and then carry on and ruin it forever like that you know I god forbid but I wouldn't be surprised people like that

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commit suicide because they think like how would I how can I live now yep so ok right somebody said the question abdullah hussein is back people that oh the one who asked the question and went whoa he's asking another question somebody said no mana lee han can related okay what about and those who

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guard their chastity verse right anyway I mean enough of Abdullah saying you need to get over your insecurities you can do it you can do it him mata Mata mother day you can do it you could do it I'm just trying to I can't believe you read that out

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sometimes my brain is a bit slow at this oh right so what's going on people let's deal with some questions let's what else have we got here shall we go on to could you provide is this the same question could you provide your thoughts my mother job saying this five-minute clip oh damn because I haven't watched clip I can't comment really maybe next time right I tell you what let's go shall we take a look we'll take one two questions then we'll

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take a look at the overview the critique of Jonathan Browns lecture on slavery and then we'll come back to some Mufti masala and wrap this up people so if there's a few rapid questions is monotheism a new concept in time of human evolution no I think in some ways people have accepted a historically a universal transcendent because if you go back to a lot of faiths in the very early stages Hinduism in its very early

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stage if you go back to even Egyptian mythology in its very early stage it's actually non anthropomorphized it's not actually statues of gods its forces like the forces of good forces of evil wind fire you see these kind of things water it's so you see how people start to understand this concept of a some supremacy of being and then they attribute that to forces that they feel of either overwhelming or the source of

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life like water and things like this and and then from there people start to anthropomorphize and give statues so I I feel it's the other way round I do feel that a unitary supremacy of being a ground of being if I can call it that in the in the words of Tillich oh you people think musty does not read in the words of Tillich this is called ground of being were being emerges from which is actually closer to the Islamic theologian speak of washable rule that

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which is necessary for being I like that term in some ways it's quite interesting ground of being and watchable nevertheless let's moving on so I think that the that there was always this unitary thing makes more sense that people had that and as time went by they anthropomorphised it what does it mean it's tipped a lose old mr.

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duros old is to replace a partner so and that could have different manifestations I'm not sure which context you mean that in it could mean that you know you replace your your husband or wife like as in leave them and you marry someone else that could also be called estudar result like hist Abdallah so jinbe aha swap it's not swapping but it's replacing a one partner for another rights of what is going on what is going on Anisa a little silent in the house right

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what is going on Missy I had almost learn back to help Faison viewers of GMO food I don't know what that even means is it possible for you to spread your ideas on a greater scale kuvira's asked why not why not of course the world is our oyster people

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writing books nowadays who reads yeah we're in a teenager people listen where they watch nobody reads anymore right say stay tuned mostly when are you doing another arc session inshallah soon like I said that I'm still doctor's orders I have to rest because of my fracture and stuff but I was I was getting too active again and I think I kind of hurt it because I need to let it completely heal I got too excited the devil came on to me right would you accept teaching commissions

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what are teaching commissions I don't know what that means Abdulla saying when I write do you play call of duty nope I don't play games are those kind of games in a way I would if I could you know I'm from that era where because I never grew up I did grow up playing computer games but you see the computers in our day and age were different so they lasted up until the this is gonna be ancient now for you guys but so I played computer games as a teenager in the 90s

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okay so them mid 90s mid late 90s and at that time it was the Super Nintendo to the snez - and games like Street Fighter Mortal Kombat they were nice to play them and then after that and what had happened was I started to get into studying and then I went off to study and I obviously left the UK and I traveled I went to Damascus I went to stayed there for a good while then I went to Pakistan stayed there for a good while and I returned after many years I mean I returned when I was you know over 25 I must have returned at that stage so

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I must have been out for about maybe about seven years seven over seven years or something out of the country so by the time I've returned I'm no longer kind of playing games and things so I'm just kind of getting into trying to restructure my life and work and do stuff so at that stage it's difficult then later on once I became settled because think about it when you come back to a country after having spent seven eight years outside in-between I did visit only on about two occasions that's all you don't have like you don't have anything like I don't when I came back my family had actually moved home

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so we were in a totally new area I didn't even know that area I didn't know anybody that lived around there I wasn't driving I didn't you know you come back - nothing like think about you got to start from ground zero and so I began from thee I began you know from Ground Zero I had to rebuild myself I had to kind of obviously establish work I went to university did things and so gaming wasn't really something I could get into and and I just don't know how to play these games now but yeah if somebody said do you play Atari and oh I remember that is their absolute kid I remember

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looking in the catalogues as a kid nowadays people would go what the hell is a catalog those of you that remember the catalogs I must have been like maybe Leila's age now I must have been about eight or seven eight like that eight I think eight nine nice to go through those catalogs I see these computers Atari and Alex the kid and nice to think oh my god I wish I could have that you know in some ways I think all we a later stage in life are we just fulfilling our childhood kind of wishes and and fantasies and because I buy so many gadgets i buy useless gadgets now you

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know the way I spend money is ridiculous on gadgets and things like this if I see anything like a gadget I'll be I'm like a junkie I'll be like oh yeah just bite and I think in some ways this is is this that childhood thing just being fulfilled now but yeah that's what you do you've got a few different businesses you know family businesses work I encourage people always to always explore entrepreneurial roots businesses buying selling what if it can work for you whatever you but always think I encourage things like that even over careers I think careers are good and

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important and we need people in careers but I think careers are a kind of day they are just a marketing tool to which don't yield much results and just leave people in debt and you're kind of stuck in a rut as a career I mean don't get me wrong I've had a career as well I'm a professional buy buy buy create as well you know I qualified as I did my another degree here after my Islamic degree I did another degree in psychology then I did a tea in qualification degree and then I did a master's in education then I was a teacher as well for many years in schools in schools and colleges for

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about six years I was an examiner I did I did that route as well so it's not something I'm not familiar with but I don't I don't advocate that so much for young people now all right guys let's move on to our thoughts on Jonathan Brown's discussion on slavery what do you think those of you that have had a look at this or watched it so I saw a few people sent it to me it's about it's under two hours I think it might be an hour and a half or up until about two

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hours long and I watched it and Jonathan Brown I think first of all just to be fair to be as fair as possible you see the thing is I love I love being fair right so I think first of all it's a difficult topic to address so you know so top marks for to Jack I think he calls himself Jack and people call him Jack I do realize that you see I didn't realize that is Jack is the short of John John and Jonathan I would have

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thought John but this is where I lack the culture you know I need more integration apparently it's Jack all right so now so Jack what to tackle this topic especially since he's had a very controversial past with it so you see in the past Jonathan Brown has made some very controversial statements around slavery that have been online and I think they've warranted a lot of hate in return as well so it does take a lot of guts to speak about slavery especially in America and

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especially as a white guy I think you know for an especially since you've said controversial things in the past about it but marks for the the the the you know the cojones bubbles to actually do that to deliver that I think that's great he spoke about it overall I'm gonna go through the points as well but overall I felt that after having watched the whole thing I was left lacking that anybody who

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watched it they would feel that you know there was a lot of information he gave a lot of information and I give him that you know and he said he's got a book on it so I'm sure he's done a lot of research and he gave a lot of there was a lot of like info bytes a lot of like he's dropping a lot of information here there you know in the Roman Empire here we had this here we had this there was you know a particular bill was passed here a particular law was instated there and so on and a lot of information but the picture of rule it seemed that there was a bit of waffling like it wasn't

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actually clear what he's trying to do his his lecture seems to imply and not imply sorry seems to say that you can't called slavery bad this is what it the result of his lecture is and he may disagree he may say no that's not true but that's what I watched the lecture and he appeared to me that he was saying that you can't call slavery bad because you he's not saying you call it good but he's saying but you can't call it bad either because if you call it bad then

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so many other things are bad as well so okay so let's get into this so first of all one of the things I've got to say straight away is I actually admired his relatability by giving movie references so Jonathan Brown you're doing it you're doing it you see the crowd you're speaking to you is a ridiculous crowd obviously the total hermits of the religious scene they you know they're not even a part of this world like so so obviously nobody in the crowd had watched any of the movies he kept giving references to and yes she'll

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see us applaud these like oh we don't watch movies we don't watch movies so obviously Jonathan Brown kept giving references to movies or if you watch Mad Max have you watched this and you watch 12 years as a slave and you watch this and you watch that but anyway so I thought that was awesome I did like the fact that he gave references to movies and things like this Jonathan Brown says that the problem with addressing slavery is that there are three axioms three kind of three principles that Americans have and hold to be true now I don't agree with this picture that he painted

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but I'm gonna present it as he did he said that rule number one is he said Americans or Westerners or the modern world we feel slavery is inherently evil inherently wrong as in meaning the slave slavery in and of itself is wrong so point number one at this point I feel at the end it's not just I feel Jonathan Brown seems to disagree with this he seems to argue that slavery is not in and of itself necessarily wrong it can

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be misused but it doesn't have to be in and of itself wrong this is what he seems to be arguing throughout this lecture so he's not saying it's a good thing but he's saying it's not a bad thing either so this is why it leaves the viewers kind of lacking luck so what are you actually saying so he says point number once they say slavery is inherently wrong point number two that this wrong is throughout time so it was always been wrong so it was wrong two thousand years ago it's wrong today just as murder was wrong two thousand years ago murder is wrong today so he disagrees with this point as well so he feels that

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today yes doing slavery would be perceived as wrong and he wouldn't like it himself either he wouldn't agree with it but he doesn't feel it's always been a wrong and he doesn't feel it's by necessity inherently wrong the third axiom he says is that oh the modern thinkers feel is that our past has some kind of authority over us and he says these three when held together are a contradiction because our past especially Americans now their founding fathers you know George Washington or wherever you want to Benjamin Franklin or whoever it is these people were all slave owners

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okay so how can you have all these statues everywhere of these people how can you rename all these streets if you're against slavery I think that's a very poor argument because I think there's a lot of inconsistencies in this argument I don't think that's actually how it works I think that's a very shallow analysis of the situation firstly by condemning something it doesn't mean everybody whoever did that can't be valued for some other contribution so for example we all condemn theft we all condemn theft but

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let's say it emerged that Einstein stole something as it as a young man it doesn't matter like the fact that you wouldn't agree with him stealing something doesn't mean you can't kind of praise him for his other contributions to science and physics and you can't be kind of impressed with why you see this is a very I feel it's almost like what sometimes I refer to as a autistic way of looking at things that if a person feels that you embrace one thing you embrace everything and as it's been said that it is the hallmark of an intelligent mind of the that we

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can engage an idea without embracing it and you can embrace one part without embracing the whole so just because so for example Aristotle may have done something it doesn't mean that oh oh my god we can't accept oh you say well such and such person once was involved in in a war and you kill people it doesn't mean that now so this is what I'm trying to say that it just because we embrace one part does meanwhiie so you've got to go around renaming Washington DC or you've got to rename all these streets and just because they also engaged in something else

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which we disapprove of so that's something important to put there the other thing is and I will explain by the way how this this this kind of inconsistent triangle is actually aligned in a moment I will explain that yes so somebody said he used black and white logic to try and make slavery gray I think that's a good analysis actually he did use I feel that the other thing is he said look he said for us our authority in the past is just for an asana for Americans it's like the the

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Bill of Rights the Constitution whatever now first of all I would like to say you see it's once again Jonathan Brown I found a lot of inconsistencies double standards because really most of the rulings to do with slavery do not come from the Koran and some man they just come from men like this scholar so he himself is then often quoting just even at a mere who comes what 700 years after the Prophet so it's not to say that oh I take my rulings just from the Quran and Sunnah so you think well ok so yes the

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Quran does mention slavery as a as it acknowledges that it exists then he speaks of freeing slaves and he does he addresses things like oh that you know certain things but it doesn't give you a guideline of all the do's and don'ts to do with slavery and in fact Jonathan Brown himself goes on to say that these things are actually not found in the Quran or Psalm number the scholars just seem to have gone wrong with it so he kind of accepts that but it was a double standard move because he said well we only accept what's in the Quran Osuna but then he said but by the way I

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do acknowledge that most of the rules to do with slavery were not found in the Quran oh so no but the scholars seem to have just kind of got on with it and accept now he does mention things like look that for example slaves we don't accept people giving enslave you know like he says like the way you slaw modified things or Muslims modified thing and the reason I say Muslims is because Islam if you're saying its Quran was so now we're just accepting that the Piranha sumner don't really say too much about what to do when it comes to slavery so I'm saying Muslims he says that he

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feels Muslims revolutionized slavery because they said well we won't accept slaves by people who sell their children into slavery and we won't accept this everyone except this and that I feel was a partial truth that it is true that many Muslims did accept the state things like that in the books but that said many Muslims from the Salif accepted things like that so you will have in a allowed sullen for example and in other our third book like said NARAS Monroe deal on when they paid him many of them

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non-muslims by giving their own children in slavery that that they accepted it now you see so it's not that and and that's actually the discussion that is used by the Hannah Fiona man to say well we wouldn't normally accept that but because they did it in a non Muslim countries well we're just gonna go with it we don't really care because Islam doesn't apply because I'm going to Abu Hanifah and the high school of Kufa Islam and the Sharia is not applied in the non-muslim kind of lands so they have their own kind of way and we dis accepted so they use that and that's

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actually one of the the main evidence is in other Sunan for by hanafis are allowed to do that and they use it for riba and justifying riba from non Muslim lands and things like this but that's a different discussion the other thing was that he said Jonathan Brown said looked most slavery and I think I agree with this point he said most Lavery was just commercial slavery and I do agree with that III feel that that generally reading the different things that does seem to emerge that more slavery was not kind of taken through war or doing things like this it was people just went to different parts

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like you know like he's saying they went to summer fund or they had some kind of there was a less saying a different part of Andaluz they had some kind of big market or they had a certain in me shop or wherever they they held certain markets where people would bring slaves and they would just sell them and so somebody's selling 200 slaves somebody's selling 100 somebody selling 50 and people would purchase them the Calif would always have people buying slaves and bringing them in so and that is how most slaves were kind of the entered the Muslim world if we want to say that so I do agree with that part I felt that that

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was definitely a fair assessment that he made but it's not true as that you know he said like kidnapping and turning people into slaves or something that Muslims were very harshly against I don't think they were I'm just being honest like in theory yes they would say that's wrong but in practice many people many Muslims were kidnapped and turned into slaves I mean it's enslaved and sold on including like the famous people till hammer we when he's off on his journey and he gets kidnapped and he sold as a slave these kind of things were still

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not uncommon practices that you had Bethalto rock you had people who were bandits and Raiders they would just kidnap people and just take him to a different part and the silliman so this thing that oh this never used to happen in the Muslim world I I think that's not true he did happen unless he was just trying to say that but the scholars were marking it if that was his claim then okay I agree with that the scholars didn't necessarily back that but it was it wasn't uncommon he was it did used to happen right throughout the Muslim world and the other thing is I felt that

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Jonathan Brown seemed to feel that it was it was repulsive to enslave Muslim but for non-muslims he felt like oh but that's just normal like yeah you can as in not today but in the past and I felt that's a clear double standards why why the distinction for Muslims why is it abhorrent for a Muslim to be enslaved and not a non-muslim enslavement is enslavement what is wrong is wrong it's not like that's just nepotism that's

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just tribalism Oh enslave one of my tribe it's wrong oh that's disgusting and save one of my tribe what the hell is wrong with you that's what we caught by the marshy but oh in slave one of you tribe that standard practice that this this makes no sense like we've got to accept that if we're going to stand if we're gonna say things like that that is pure double standards hypocrisy either something is wrong or really it's just a game of look they enslave you you enslave them but to say oh it's absolutely abhorrent or to all of you for that yes it's perfectly fine to see that

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Muslims can see enslaving Muslims as a horrible act but it's leaving non-muslims out yeah it's not that horrible I mean that that doesn't make it it to me I find that absurd I find this kind of this delineation and yes I know scholars have said it in the past but scholars were part and parcel of that institutionalization process so I want to see the clear verses that you're using in the Quran to allow that distinction and you're gonna say yeah but the scholars have come up with this I know the scholars have come up with this so that's my point that this is to

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me a hypocrisy and it needs to be addressed because as in my malik said look I'll have coin you Taba we follow the truth so it's not about tribalism let's just be let's take true to what we feel God would want now okay so there's that I felt I needed to address then what was interesting is to justify this Jonathan Brown touches upon the point of you see nowadays if you ask anybody about slavery their gut feeling is to find it disgusting and he said that what's interesting is that Muslim

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scholars never really relied on the gut or accepted the gut feeling and he said and actually that was the martyr's Allah now first of all I don't know what books of art either Jonathan Brown is reading but I don't know what on earth is all about the gut feeling and the scholars didn't rely on the gut feeling because I don't you see the Motta's illa and this whole argument he's got absolutely wrong unless he's leaning in on some other argument right they were speaking my reason reason is not gut feeling gut feeling his intuition okay so these are

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two separate things and even afterwards in the talk somebody actually presents him with a hadith that oh but doesn't the hadith sail if my heart of his authoring that isn't you know whatever kind of disturbs you new gut feeling that is a sin and they said that's a hadith and then he says look I know I'm not trying to say it's totally wrong don't get me wrong and then yeah so are they kind of like chimed in by saying yeah look even at a me I would say it's a me I love how even at a me is such an authority for these people who on earth is even at a mia you know even at a mere even a team yeah sort of

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every day I potamia cool the guy can you mean look he was a scholar by no means was he some kind of magnificent out of this earth scholar he was a good scholar he was good you know he was a bit wacko he was a bit of a fanatic a bit of an extremist he kind of was mad into sectarianism and called a lot of people Coffield but he was also he had a very yet ingenuity to him he was creative he had some forward-thinking fatwas for his day and age which I appreciate that side of him but he was by no means this end of you know be of everything this guy was

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everything he was like the you know the Sun shone out of this guy who is this able to take me in it's a magnet yeah you know like they said about him in his damage that sky his his his uh kulkarni mum process what the stuff is reading you know this is the same guy who even at a mere who said that the most of this Ummah who are a hadees' he considered them to be what what he call like shemales he said that these are shadows I like the shemales of the Mojave little philosopher this way could

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he's the same guy who gave credence to the Satanic Verses and he and he gave all this other I mean look I'm not trying to knock him for what he was doing fine he's not no demigod and why why quote I mean I'm just saying I it annoys me that why they think he's everything and then they attack what is it they attacked the rest of the scholars when we quote classical scholars like imam malik that's a year but imam ali gained the profit of course he ain't the profit but imam ali was he manicured this even at a mere guy running around who most like look Ignat

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a mia definitely was somebody that had mental health issues definitely i mean i think it was a great put don't get me wrong i think like a lot of people who have mental health issues can still be geniuses he was a genius but he was definitely either at bipolar or schizophrenia or something because on one hand he's like a little cavity i forgot my name is like oh yeah we should be forward-thinking so i don't get me wrong i admire him but it's just to admiration you know I don't but anyway let's not get distracted so here yes of called the chimes in and says you know oh this is what hypnotized

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I would call the Apple and Selene once again he takes it back to Arkell reason as opposed to gut feeling so first of all the terminology was all wrong here they the gut feeling is intuition okay now intuition there is a hadith I'll bring it up for them that they did I think yes that are the kind of quote see it's a famous hadith where the prophet salaallah solemn says to war beside bernama that he says to him this isn't army he says to him that is thirsty Albert Kiawah visa he says that take the ruling from your heart or what people might say today from your girl from your intuition

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that he said that Alberto Matt muhammad aleyhi Neffs that piety is that which tranquils the heart well if Mumma haka facade Erick and that which disturbs you gives you a disturbed feeling no matter under the facade Erick what kind of leaves you unsettled that is what a sin is so and yes this hadith is in dar me and this is in the Muslim of Ahmed and and AHA here they might say Bertrand of T this this hadith from war peace Edna Muhammad is by Eve so you see

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this one I preempted it you know there's a hadith that this has a Shaheed ma l if mama hawk aviso trek from the were Cygnus Amman which is in transmitted inside Muslim and it is intermittent also in Darwin Ahmed right I mean you know so so this hadith Alif Mumma Harkavy saw the wreck no worship in some hans rewire which is sorry tirmidhi says sorry muslim says sorry in the army and mr.

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department that rewire right so the same is what gives you that bad feeling that gut feeling so we do accept this the other thing is he said only the martyrs ill i reject reason that's sorry embrace reason and the theologians muslims of scholars of this ummah said we only accept divine commandment theory look look come let us explain what this is first of all this the division of reason accepting reason was not just

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Tomatoes allah the motto read imam abu hanifa volga oka it no man even if I did write many all of my mom I like heavily relies on reason what this nonsense you know this is nonsense nonsense theologian speaks theologian speak theologian said this divine commandment theory bring me a quote from Imam Ali Khan divine commandment theory we're just because people said oh this is what the celebrity who told you the self believed is right in Italy with the lead oh my no the point is we need proof divine

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commandment theory is ridiculous divine commandment series people there is no such thing as good this no such thing as good or bad whatever God said whatever he said doo doo equals good or every said don't do equals bad so human beings killing someone in bad Oh God said don't kill okay killing now is bad so if God never said it many it's not good or bad this is nonsense nobody thinks like that even the Quranic discourse isn't like that this is Greek philosophy yes

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Socrates speaks about this in Euthyphro his whole kind of dialogue is about this about you know is is X good because God commanded it or did God command X because it's good so look and this is where Socrates gets into the debate before he's going into the courthouse so I mean before Euthyphro is going into the courthouse for putting his own fault right so and here Muslim theologians later on embrace this divine commandment theory by saying there's no such thing as good or bad we can't tell anything widget dumb like there is no such thing it's just God said it okay good God said

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okay it's bad that's not how the Quran addresses you the Quran addresses your thought you know what's good and bad a lot otherwise would just say here's a list all these things are now to be computed as bad that's not how it works a lot addresses them that you know what you're doing you know this is wrong you know you're hardly morally melaka by he is making the Hobart is haraam for them but if they weren't why are they Hawaii's why are they horrible things if if they only that because of lies making them Haram Allah says your hello Lama player but he makes play Eve things had al for them

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how does well why are they called to him because they really knew that they would buy you so this argument was wrongly portrayed to start off with okay so but I felt that was very misleading as well to kind of then bring slavery CH he see to justify slavery on the back of that I felt was a weak point right now right okay now let's get to to start to wrap up right what is the actual ruling

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people Islam the Quran was Sunnah and the Sharia came with something called trajectory hermeneutics it came with certain things that in a certain time and I think with this part Jonathan Brown would kind of agree to some extent and I'll come to where he disagrees that the Sharia came with this understanding that certain things would not they would be abrogated they would be made Haram and sometimes a society wasn't fit for that it wouldn't engage that discourse so it changed the ruling with the time that when human civilization reached

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that they will make that holla or sorry they will make that Haram it will change so for example the Prophet said all the kabosh ought to be in a particular way but I'm not going to touch it why because the people ain't ready for it that's in Asahi ADIZ in a similar way things like and I've got a whole detailed video on the hitting verse why heating was made Haram later on and even our verses teaching and then I thought if not be robust declaring it Haram in the time of the tablet I mean and so like this you've got slavery's another example that when human civilization reached that stage automat did rule it's

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Haram you've got to be fair here there was some citations by Jonathan Brown of a Lama Ahmed Baba ting bhakti I think he quoted him he quoted definitely Ahmed Basha a bi lol he quoted him as the Tunisian ruler he quote I'm not sure if he quoted I'm a tenacity but he quoted a few people anyway who did give rulings of saying this is Haram and you know this is before the whole abolition kind of thing really took off in the West and even inspired so there was I'm not sure if he mentioned that but some of the

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Muslim rulings especially in Tunis and North Africa inspired some of the Europeans so there were French poems written about this saying that Europeans ought to take heed from what the Muslims are doing right now in ending slavery now one can argue but were they ending categorically whatever but they were ruling to it being Haram now there were some other points as well Jonathan Brown made about look what distinguishes a slave from a free person and you could say well you can't just kill us normal person you can kill a slave and that's not really true because you can even kill a slave in Roman societies or something in a slave owner could kiss

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sorry it could kill his own child in Roman societies and things like I'm not quite sure what Jonathan Brown was alluding to thee but I think that from my understanding is generally if that's the same thing I understood then that's not actually correct okay I don't even think the ruling that he's alluding to is actually correct in Roman law but I mean he can provide it because there's a similar ruling in the Malachy method that was a ruling given by Imam Malik and that is that you see because the way society was it was inconceivable generally especially in that day and age when you had a lot of child mortality

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infant mortality people children will die young or during childbirth and things like this it was inconceivable that a person would kill his own young son he would kill or his own child that it was inconceivable so when Imam Malik was asked he said that that you couldn't do the hut the ruling was that this must have so they bought into this idea that this they must have been it must have been an accidental killing it must have been manslaughter it wasn't that they were saying that the father has an absolute right you know if I want I'm just sitting here today I'll get a sword and chop his head off it wasn't like that

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they never argued like that and I don't believe the Romans argued like that either but I think Jonathan Brown says in the lecture the Romans felt that according to his research you could just kill your own son if you wanted and just say yeah I killed him or you gonna do a body and he was all cool I don't think core to my understanding was that it was diminished circumstances it wasn't that you could just kill him but it was that they felt no sane person in this society would do that therefore they must have been it must have been deemed an accident ohm like what we would call manslaughter in the UK so okay just to

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clarify that point right now Jonathan brown is asked a question that do you feel that slavery could come back and Islam would condone it so he he said I feel yes slavery could come back if there's a Mad Max film scenario there's a post-apocalyptic world and we need to enslave people he said no don't get me wrong I don't think it's a good thing but I think Islam would sanction it and I think that's ridiculous because look if you're telling me yes do I think if we ended up in a post-apocalyptic world

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people would enslave people I think people would do that probably do I think people would kill people yes I think people would kill people in a post-apocalyptic kind of Mad Max scenario that he hypothesized that doesn't mean even if Islam said look let's just say in a situation where a person was endangered and in a post-apocalyptic world people are coming and as a pre-emptive step he's killing people to save himself that doesn't mean Islam says killing people is okay or he would ever say killing people is okay it might say in these circumstances it is diminished liability

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if a person was so frightened for his own safety and he took a pre-emptive stir he still doesn't make it okay it just says it's diminished liability so I think that this thing that he was saying I completely disagree with I don't feel that Islam would ever condone slavery now this brings us back to his problem in saying that he said well if you say Islam oh sorry slavery is inherently wrong and then by necessity all the people who ever owned slaves have to be cruel and evil people in the past and here I disagree and I

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feel that his analysis was a superficial analysis it wasn't an in-depth psychological analysis of what was going on allow me to explain you see the thing is these people and Jonathan Brown does go on about how does the abolitionism take off and he says there's things like there's one theory that they will say an awareness theory that people just one person said hey another person said it people eventually became more and more aware of it there was the economical theory sorry the economic theory or whatever is because of trade that I feel is you know put that hold that over

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there for a moment you see I have explained in my previous video on slavery which is on YouTube that I've explained that the day and age we've got to understand the mindset aslam did not take on slavery do not tackle it by the horns because it would have felt that it was a mission that would one compromise the actual mission he came for and to it was not to be achieved in that day and age because the general collective consciousness over people just will not embrace it now we may feel that yeah

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that sounds strange because it does to us in this day and age but in that day and age that was the mindset of the people it was just a given and I gave an analogy by saying something like let's say people in the future abolish all governments and then they look back at our day and age and they say like can you believe these people would allow a group of people to rule and govern over them and that those people could even take taxes without these people having a say and they may find this incredibly tyrannical in the future but to us we just find it normal we think oh no that's not tyranny that's just normal everybody does it

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how else do you expect people to rule so because the way consciousness the collective consciousness of a society of all societies and and I know from what I've heard that ancient Indian civilizations the Indus Valley Civilisation of hood did not have slavery and things like that and if that be true I commend and I think I personally think the ancient Indus Valley Civilisation is an awesome incredible kind of civilization anyway but and it's something that needs to be much more learnt about but putting that

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aside the people generally all societies had that as part of their collective consciousness now because people would not they weren't seeing it they weren't perceiving perception hadn't taken that in to the consciousness to them it was like oh yeah this is just normal so it would to them it was more about the conditions and about getting freedom so Islam and to be fair Jonathan Brown did highlight that Islam did encourage unquestionably encouraged emancipation which it did and

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it saw that as a route until the time would come that social perception would change and allow me to give you an example people I call this I call this the the ambiguous picture effect on consciousness and I I'm going to you see I'm going to give you an example this is the saying what some people some psychologists call the reversible pictures or reversible images or it's called the ambiguous picture effect a picture that has two pictures in it you can see that some people they can

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only see one picture now the human mind the human psyche works like that now in some stages in some scenarios it's easier to see both in some you can only see one there is for example the a young lady this is a chin and she's looking away her faces away that's the top of her hat and that's her neck and whatever and she's got this coat on oh this is an old lady that's her nose that's a mouth lips and her chin and this is a kind of hat and she's kind of got a sunken head she's looking kind of like down so this

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is a reversible image or a ambiguous picture it's called in psychology as well it's from an optical illusion but the point is once sometimes you can only see one but the moment you see the other you can no longer unsee it so the human consciousness works in a similar way you see sometimes there's certain realizations that wants humans they see it it becomes part of the way this enters your consciousness collective consciousness works in a similar way let me give you an example now you look at

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this people this was the trophy for the 2014 I don't really watch sports or football I believe it was the Brazilian kind of Cup trophy fee fell whatever the World Cup now you can see that there now you see as an example of things once you see them you can't no longer unsee them you can see the trophy here but right you can see the trophy but now I want you to realize that actually it shows a facepalm it shows as well a person doing the facepalm effect you

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see now the moment I show it to you now you won't be able to unsee it so every time you see that now you will see the facepalm effect that is the power of consciousness that's how it works sometimes some ideas until you don't see them they don't impact you in the same way the moment you see them and realize them everything changes now you can't judge that person

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as when pre perception so you see in a similar way that's on an individual level this is on an individual level now take that consciousness to a collective consciousness as Durkheim and these other people spoke of and what I believe in there is a collective consciousness in society you see now once we see something in a particular way once we see a certain concept of freedom we can't unsee it now now we can't hold those to account who couldn't who didn't see it like that so we can

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say that now that we see it yes this is definitely wrong and it has been wrong but because society and the collective consciousness wasn't perceiving it in that way we can't hold them to task with the same kind of I mean we can hold obviously we can hold individual things to task but we can't hold a whole of humanity to task for a perception that they couldn't see in the same way as we see it so this what i'm terming the ambiguous picture effect on the collective consciousness or the

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collective psyche of humanity is what needs to be taken into consideration so the three axioms that Jonathan brown presented his whole talk on were actually a false flag in my understanding of a misrepresentation or there were a shallow analysis yes slavery is always wrong because what gives you the right to to own someone and he said well what does that even mean when you employ someone yes that's logical I get that but yes other things have problems but let's just be honest possession ownership is a social construct and owning another human being

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right is a problem there's no good way about it right yes there's utility in it yes you can utilize it yes we may people humans have used it in the past but it is not a good thing but people have done it I get that of course things and I get that it made a lot of achievements are you also get the fact that in the past people because it was so ubiquitous and everywhere they didn't see it in the way that we're seeing it today so saying that it must have always been wrong yes it was always wrong now that we can see a different side of the picture but in

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that day and age to them we understand that oh they didn't they couldn't see that side of the picture as a society it hadn't just realized for them it doesn't mean they were dumb so he gave the example of saying also you're trying to say you're more morally intellectually superior than Aristotle that's not the same it's the example of this you see you if the fact you never saw the facepalm wasn't because you were dumb or you're stupid it's just that some things once they enter the neural consciousness the neural correlates see it they can

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never unsee it that's so with that I wanted to kind of wrap up my my critique or my kind of thoughts on Jonathan Browns lecture on slavery I feel that it was a lot of information in this so I do commend that I feel that there was you know tried to probably of humor in there made references to movies I found that good so I do you know I praised that but and the relatability element I felt he left people lacking I felt that he created more vagueness and ambiguity by trying to say well you can't call

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slavery categorically wrong because it's it's like I've like he kind of left it by saying it's a gray area that maybe it was good maybe it was bad or maybe it was a bad but a bad that isn't really that bad always and I feel that that personally is wrong I feel that the rulings he gave on Islam would once again tolerate slavery if I feel that was a wrong ruling and so and some of the analyses he gave him between of using reason and things like this I feel were wrong and they were actually against the Koran with some knife anything and they were just blind

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following up certain theologians but that's an overview but I do commend him for tackling the topic I feel that it is a difficult topic to tackle especially in America like he said but I do at the same time I'm a bit disappointed that look you see these kind of things I think this is where the harm comes because slavery and America and all the suffering and then obviously you're gonna get people saying well actually in Islam mmm you know guarding actually that upset you know if you're gonna say well God is you know it doesn't like it but it's mmm you know and then all the

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the the kind of obviously all the black people in America all the black Muslims and all people in general that I've had many most have had a history apart from people who migrated they have had that their roots have had all this suffering and I think Jonathan Brown tried to say well look even some of my own sisters were kind of like bondage slaves and they came to work and that's also slavery so you know I felt that was a bit it was um befitting really because it kind of just trying to say well you know okay you guys are suffered we have suffered I just feel that's not really personally but I mean Jonathan Brown cuz

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you know he's a he's a free person and say whatever he wants but I felt that that was you know I'm not really right because you've got absolute atrocities it's like somebody's heads been cut off with her the chainsaw and I say yeah but I've sprained my ankle as well hmm okay a charge at comparing wounds so I thought that was a bit uh mmm it wasn't really I felt it was out of taste and improper but the point is generally that was my thoughts and I tried to explain that I think his three axiom thing is in correct and really it's a matter of

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perception and of social perception and consciousness developing that awareness that once you see you can't unsee it call hold that thing off some help right let's move on folks do I think they should be reparations just before we go I feel absolutely absolutely there should be reparations honestly III I do support the reparations argument I feel that they should be to Native Americans and to afro-caribbean black people who were of the whole kind of slave thing which is probably the majority of

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afro-caribbeans or african-americans I feel this should be I mean why you know and more than anything and definitely to the Native Americans I mean what the hell and you know the whole thing is like in America and not just in America in other places too I think the British Empire or to bloody you know the way looted India you ought to do there to return the coin or I know or to but anyway that's another long story right let's move on people let's move on right we're gonna have to wrap this up but before we do I've been asked to make

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correct myself on its Mayan Royer now I spoke about him last week and I mentioned that this guy you know he was a nutcase and I mentioned that he's somebody who seems to support be buddy-buddy with a lot of kind of racist congressmen and racist politicians and he seems to really always be kind of supporting the either the right or the far right on certain things and and then amongst the I said apparently because I read that I may have said it that he because he's the kind of person who would support people like is and Isis

2:17:57

and things like this and so he said that most evil aid has you know being back biting me I would never support Isis and things like this so I have to stand corrected I have to correct myself people I'd like to correct myself please allow me along compliment hermano disconfirming so look it's my Roya did not support Isis people okay I'm gonna correct myself but you see had off he supported Isis because he said I was a I wasn't a terrorist it was

2:18:36

a terrorist he's a convicted terrorist who was involved in handling of bombs and things like this that was his conviction right and also by some he then not only was he a terrorist he was working for the agencies recruiting people and setting them up arguably this is what it says online right and he was testifying against them then and things like I don't know that well anyway he can but had a V said he said I wasn't a terrorist I was a romanticist because I was into the you know I fell into this romantic vision head of he fell for Isis in some ways it's understandable because look

2:19:14

Isis had a state they had a hell of a lot of money they had some of the most high quality advertising going on I mean they had some high quality high def videos being created that were orchestrated they were like directed their videos well I mean you could see how vulnerable people could get influenced by that I can see how young or passionate people that are not you know to on the ball could fall into that kind of propaganda I mean there's a lot of money going into hundreds of

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thousands if not maybe millions being spelled spent on their propaganda machine I can see that but a smile riot did not I stand corrected Crick co-discoverer did not for fires is my lawyer did not join Isis he went and joined the Taliban so he actually went to join a bunch of protons and a bunch of Afghan what is it poly born in a understand fairly heavily Mishawaka

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reason they make curved and wavy this oh my god this guy this American who is supposed to be so enlightened he fell for the propaganda of some Bach tuna so he went all the way over there to to join in with Taliban and waltz he was there so my point is this look you see the problem I don't have a problem with a smile Roy I didn't even know who he was I just came to learn of him but my

2:21:11

point is why are these people given a pedestal I don't feel why they because they don't necessarily look they don't know much about Islam why does he either study Islam and then become a voice for it because to me these people are unstable you see these people to me the problem with them let me allow me to explain I love explain squeeze me please the problem is that these people keep finding God let me explain please please to explain please

2:21:48

the problem is is my Roya found God and when he found God God told him that you need to go over there to Afghanistan and kill a bunch of Shia because it romba Afghanistan just as Muslims in check Afghanistan just said Muslims it doesn't have like there's no non was oh you mean like self declared non-muslims because they Shia so he because he found God he went over there and killed a bunch of he was involved from what I've heard my Intel tells me he killed a few people I even heard that he he was involved in

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some operations within Pakistan Allahu Alem but he would know the truth Norton RT C so because God he found God he went over there killed a bunch of Muslims who are Shia Muslims okay comes back its arrested by American police gets convicted for terrorism is given a 20-year sentence faces 14 year in prison now that is arrested by the Americans he finds God again how he

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testifies against a few other Muslims I think we set up and I think some of them he kind of set him up when people said he was an agent or this was part of his plea I don't know but now he so he finds got a second time and now he's coming and he's saving people so if he's doing good look fine do good but the problem is he fine he might find God again you to Baja did you barb our God kiss our the relationship or scary now I scared find God again it happened and we've got another catastrophe on our hands

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I feel that you know this Chupke Chupke that he's playing with it's it's it's freaky it's unstable so when Muslim organizations big up these kind of people I just have an issue with that and you can understand why it's a reasonable concern you know so that was him and then there was this thing you see so began with this anti blackness kind of tweets that were going about and the supporting people in the fora and I think Americans really need to be more responsible especially because black Muslims make up one third of American Muslims so you need to be more

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responsible and people like chatty masa I was liking a tweet that said anybody who feels that this white privilege is just because they were bullied by white people as a child this is Shadia must be liking this tweet and saying yeah that sounds right and you think well okay i sadi doc doctor dr.

2:24:55

Sam and his analysis of white privilege is that you must have been bullied as a kid by that logic I would say well they're their version and their strict stance against their hateful sponsor against homosexuality would be because maybe some unfortunate event happened with Kerry savvy I don't know you know I'm just going by the same logic that logic means anything you feel you know that you're opposed to it's only because as childhood you were bullied boy what kind of a ridiculous statement is secondly I want to say look

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even if you were wronged that doesn't make it okay because it is true look I'm not I I say look they should be no we should we should be colorblind in Islam okay not even as Islam as human beings we got to work beyond these boundaries of color of things like this but unfortunately there are these things in society they are improving but they are they let's be honest look racism does exist exists in the UK I mean yes it's a lot better now than it was in the 80s but it's still there

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institutionally it is true that if you hadn't you know a white name you would get a job interview more likely than if you had a Pakistani name or in America a Mexican name or a black name like you would definitely like it would that's how it would work it's just I'm just being honest like there was a product there was an experiment that somebody did it was in the papers from the Midlands from Leicester where he filled in a an insurance car insurance quote with an identical detailed identical

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same age same thing same address back same read as in same kind of Road one was a white name one was a Pakistani Asian name Muslim name and and the one that he framed the person David as an experiment the one he framed with an Asian with a Muslim name the insurance quote came higher and this was in the it was in the papers I believe it was either earlier this year last year so these things do so if you call that bullying like my message to share the muscley and to Hasib more who supports this kind of ludicrous nonsense

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is that look if you call that bullying then yes okay people are bullied and they are sick and tired of it and they have no that doesn't make it okay just because people have discriminated against maybe it hasn't happened to me but I know it does happen in society and it doesn't mean everybody's doing it it doesn't mean that now you start hating white people or you start hating that that would be equally dumb and stupid and wrong right but I'm just saying that it doesn't mean you got to turn a blind eye and somebody said it nicely they said that look white briefly it doesn't mean that you've had it easy they said it just means that your being

2:28:05

white was not one of your issues it was not generally that was not the cause of your issue there may have been other social factors there's a lot of white people struggling in the UK a lot of people I mean it's very unfortunately in fact you know underachieving and things like this especially in council estates and stuff like that so okay I wanted to address that and make that ease you know kind of like clear out they put out the inch and I don't know this has he'd know who was jumping on all of this thing and coming you know giving it's giving some interesting photos in the area has seen

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or Kony is giving all this because he was speaking about all of this and then after that when he got a bit hot on Twitter he made a post saying I'm going to Nigeria I've got a black friend this one I know I got black friend me so this this kind of stuff I think it's worse than Americans do because

2:29:22

obviously they got to be more responsible to the crowd cool people with that that was a bit of the not to mention almost forgot even or has some crazy fatwa back trying to get I think women are menstrual cycle to do will do for something I'm not gonna go into that I'll leave that to him and there was an interesting thing somebody had I wanted to read this thing uh somebody had tried to take a dig at me with all this stuff going on and I'd highlight to be on social media his name was his name was Abdul al Karim so I

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said look put everything aside you know me critiquing or whatever whether it was the Royal whether it was hasib noir or Shadia whatever I said put everything aside I want to know why your name has two L's in it which means the so slave a servant of that the Kareem when he was being named was the person naming him Stanley the cream the cream the scribe

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is writing it he says what should we name this child if not anything they bring humor to our days people with that let's wrap this up it's been awesome as always guys have been awesome you've been hacking it out we've gone on for very long much of ha may Allah forever keep you guys smiling take very good care of yourselves till next week people Salam o aleikum a rapid of light to

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Allah or butter cattle

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  title = {{Monday Nights with Mufti Abu Layth: Session 140}},
  year = {2019},
  month = {11},
  date = {2019-11-05},
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  organization = {Mufti Abu Layth Archive},
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