Shaykh Mazhar Mahmood | Hubrisitc defiance, Hadith criticism & Hemaphrodite Fiqh | Mindtrap #14

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is going we've got with us Imam us who's we've had you so my tecum Mufti and said I might eat them to the viewers just like Allah feeling for giving me this opportunity right there you kill upright people of right of right of right

so sure I hope the reason one first of all just for the for the one of the main reasons I didn't want to get in a session tonight even if it is a very late one I mean it's twofold one that there were certain issues that I thought you know what we could actually you know it would be awesome to get through some

of them mozzies views on that and secondly I've changed around what's

going on how I'm torn apart but you just being on you with your on your show but you know it makes you stronger you got to sort of get out of this whole sectarian mindset do what's better for the people understand what matters most and and just go on you know people will forever they've been hating in the past they'll continue to hate that doesn't change anything you know if there are

actually genuine individuals amidst you or people who are connected to you who actually appreciate what you're doing and and what you know the efforts that you're bringing about to bring a betterment so I come to still in quarantine I'm planning to make a long drive through the mountains and valleys from one end of Canada to the other so that's what I'm sort of preparing on Saturday going to leave Toronto had head up north where there are some very

beautiful gorges Thunder be gorgeous gorgeous yeah from there to the mo in terms of Alberta from the mountains of Alberta to where my wife sham is and my

daughter BC beautiful be connection people giving you a hard time for coming on this show I'll tell you why it's

backwards logic it's I'm knowing to give you a legitimacy a sense of legitimacy but they're they're saying that if you get on with most the boonies here's your damn legitimacy in the public I'm like what the hell are you saying

you know he's he's already even in the

past they might have not what's happening now the feed is cutting Musti the feed is sort of cutting off it's a great a great time I'm trying to try out my equipment and the internet connection on that end

is he's fading but that's we've let's see we still got the mom with us unless it's been your mom's up your back I think it is the is the connection I think on your end so yep I'm just yeah I think it is the connection on your end Imams up but okay not to I think so I was just saying you don't necessarily

have to agree with all the opinions of a certain scholar when you yourself may be a scholar or a student of knowledge even in the Hanafi field yeah you know you look at the some of the books of the students of say imam abu hanifa they would mentioned and I'm sure it's the same for the medic he must have been other Messiah him as well they would say you know has a Colo and B Hanifa what I know would be he right it's fine it's fine to differ a lot of course of course

the over does it so so another issue which was brought up was the whole tech fear issue and I'm still sort of trying to defend that up till now I gave up both two days ago trying to sort of defend move the emily's from the tech fear of people yeah they indicate some indicate that your when a doubler a careful were and a very melodic

oh well you know if that's if it helps them what what difference does it make to me makes zero difference to me I'll tell you what difference it makes there's a whole psychology behind Tec fear fear at times or for the viewers calling somebody cafe who has difference of opinions or a difference of opinion than you calling somebody a cafe sort of protects one's of authority from being shut down like I'll give you an example

so for example if you call Zaid or vodka or armor you know the examples that are generally used in the Arabic language if you call any person at cafe and you sort of have an audience that follows you automatically what you're doing is you're cutting those people off from sort of thinking for their own selves so right when you say mostly a police is a cafe what you're doing to your viewers or what you're doing to your followers is that you're cutting off a connection

completely from even people going you know going out of their way to explore what what the use of mostly a Buddhist sort of are or what mostly a Buddhist is all about of course this is a broad example that I'm giving it's sort of like you know the affiliate of Hajj the sort of groups of Hajj who used to come in the time of the prophets and Allah why do you send them initially how people would the police would prevent them from their rational thinking was by dismissing the prophets on Allah either you will send them as image noon or

Asahi great so right when they sort of dismiss rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam to be a sapphire a magician or a mention people automatically think for themselves they'll just fall into the floor yeah and this this has been done throughout the history of Islam where a certain group called another group Gaffin for the sake of protecting authority and that sectarianism that they hold on to so I really you know to be honest I I really

go against that whole process of just staring around and not looking at matters using intellect and rationality and reason I agree actually I think there there needs to be some writing although they might have might have said it as a joke but I actually agree that there needs to be a book written about the psychology of tech field I mean some tech fear may be legitimate but not

fearing around people for my new reasons it is for Muslim scholars let's say to highlight that okay yes of course such a thing this may or may not for example be completely in contrast to this theme yeah it's not really our place to be taking people out of the faith to be

fish bringing them back to be kind of saying well you know we can bring this person in but we can't bring that person in to be that's not really our belief

you know like let's say ship now just to add a small caveat Mufti but when you mention a scholar that they hold in high esteem having a similar view to say the view of mafia belief then they try as much as possible to go

through gymnastics and find so many reasons to you know dismiss that scholar to be genuine and a great Muslim but they won't do the same for another scholar who's not linked to their sort of denomination or their sect or their methodology they won't they won't do the the same thing for somebody who's not linked with their sect so for example I had a whole conversation with certain scholars about Madonna Beulah Cindy and Madonna and

Maulana Abul Kalam Azad and it's like playing pure gymnastics to try to disprove that Mona Anna will be de la Cindy held such a view of you know the Second Coming being a myth as the detractor play into those gymnastics and try to disprove the works of Mona and I will be the la Cindy in that regard and thereby making that wheel that you know he was perfect he was good to go as for anyone besides and actually this is far from reality that book is is even just his contemporaries

yeah from school of the opened I mean he's he's incredibly respected and dignified within that kind of madrasah now he is somebody who held the view that there was no second coming of Jesus alongside him another very revered scholar abul kalam as other people that maybe you know not of the same stature ISM within the day open these people

like a la Mike Val and and a few of the scholars but at least these like mallanna obey the law sin thee so they sort of see well that book is not even his the book which dismisses the second coming that's not even his but that's far from reality it is his book and his contemporaries also witness to the fact that Monet no leaderless indeed did have certain isolated opinions and whatnot comes back to a sense of kind of

like thinking I mean I know you've had some questions really ties into that debate as well and as it does with many others because it comes down to I'm very and more it's this that this kind of a belief let's say whether it's to do with the second coming of Jesus or other

issues yeah they are found in the issue is what kind of hadith are accepted and just to add another fun fact for the viewers a lot of grief or limb of the past had their take fear me for example you know when you read the Sunna of Abdullah bin Hamad bin handbag there are actually narrations that he brings with regards to the that fear of imam abu hanifa rahim allah so that doesn't lessen the value of the imam abu hanifa at any cost

there's actually narrations where somebody goes up to a great imam and asks what should I approach abu hanifa with so the the imam responds by saying put Lihue a catfish the imam is saying to his disciple to tell imam Hanifa careful yeah this is a very old phenomena I'm sure I'm sure a few years down the line as you mentioned the example with the haircut people will embrace certain other sort

of opinions to be just an SD laughing matter you know a difference of opinion and nothing more you know things which they are using to call another person cafe they'll use those same opinions as just opinions which are mirror if tea laughs just a difference of opinion yeah so in terms of hadith criticism I was going through the hadith of a better soda you know the black seed and I was I was writing an article about it when I

stumbled upon your video I wanted to show sort of encompass the Sun and portion of it in my article but I came to realize that you know the the Mohandas or the hadith scholar the the one transmitting the hadith do bouquets you made history frame in one of the videos of course you are Coenen scholars

yeah the only reason why I had an issue with this particular hadith was people were secure circulating this hadith and reference to the Cova 19 and putting post making posters and sort of like whatsapp images saying that the the black seed is an actual remedy Shifa to the Cova 19 so they were making disease they were actually

so I'm like let me look into the matter I stumbled upon your video one criticism or one question I would say I have is with regards to this whole deeming a certain era we a certain narrator as week the question I have surrounding that is what if the majority or a large majority of the Mohave stone have made the field of a certain Raleigh and just a few like you know handpick like mmm necessary you mentioned and I believe

there were some others who made who deemed them to be weak what if that is

what if that is why are you now it does make some sense fair enough I understand

and I'm and I'll explain this it does make some sense that the more people that declare somebody an individual sorry that declare an individual more reliable just that it is not permissible for people he actually highlights the

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the question is that let's say we're talking about wood is MIA is having an intention and obligation so what are you going to do like if I ask you is it an obligation you know that there's a difference of opinion of course yes you're gonna do is well okay let's take a look at what their evidences are you know what does this school said what does that school some people have said this and you're gonna make a call on it

you know it's gonna be your call imagine there were no evidences apparent the only thing you had was just names and opinions so you had Imam Abu Hanifa saying Nia's not father Malik sang Nia is fault you had chef are you saying Nia's for you had so on now I said to you in the case where you say

there is no evidence no and it was if it's not available to me then I would just make a rational judgment we would use reason we would use reason in that case yeah so that's that's fine but what I'm trying to say is how would you do how would you do that if how would you do that if I say to you you've got this you've got this ruling shirt intention

be obligatory in Moodle and you say well okay I wanted to I want to take a look and I say well this is what you can look at Abu Hanifah says no malik says yes chef I says yes look at it now you tell me tell me it would be very it would be they're very difficult when when one one when one does not have any sort of other resources available to deduce that's my point exactly you need to look at the

first the primary data its which is not whatever is but you need the evidence you see if I give you just a summary conclusion a hokum if I threw that look oh you want to make a judgement here's a judgment a list of names and what and they've yes you know

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preference I guess now this is what happens in really in what really happens is what really happens is you look at

the evidence so you say well it's impossible to do this in hadith studies

you ask me such and such a person reliable yeah yeah I'm okay it's my lip Navi aways all these people are reliable yeah in some cases you might actually have some story about these guides but what you've got is a lot of people just making a comment on them so you've got Buhari now let's say saying oh yep

you've got Bo hardy saying yep so the question is that how have they got that judgement I mean sure they must have got it from

someone because like maybe they teachers told them for example they're saying - M of T and that usually entails that the two people you know have met or they have had some connection oh these people may have met yeah okay that's fine but they change so bodies chain will

have several people in his chain of course several people in that chain now you can okay let's say momentarily you leave out the companions we're not gonna discuss the companions after the companions you've got Toby you've got lower class eNOS in

the teachers of people like body mm-hmm now the question is these all of these three have usually never been met by people like Imam Bihari or his kind of peers they've never met that I understand what you're saying now he passes away something like 124 injury no Imam Bihari would never have met him remember how his teachers would never have really met him now all these people from that era even at your age you know

you're gonna have Atmos you're gonna have all these Qatada all these people no no none of them have ever met them not either if they met anybody who's ever met them when Hardy says or humble says oh people like you'd say okay so what if I get at that point but what if people make this sort of a democracy or this majority and a scholar

is making to--they of a single or are we what if they use this to give weight to that all we and a minority have only criticized that are we for example an essay and you know another few when we're speaking about the oh honey if they're guarding the black seed how do you challenge that I see what you're saying the question now somebody's commented again on my mic I don't know if my mic is it coming by the way to use is my

audio coming across okay - yeah yeah yes yes okay so max this out all right so you see I understand what you're saying from a Democratic viewpoint but the issue here is why must that be so yes yes that's my point and two people are saying well or one

person is saying he's not reliable so we're gonna take the four people when the intriguing aspect is in most of these cases so how do you challenge that I'm saying how do you challenge such a phenomena so for example you're writing effect where regarding this aspect of black seed and you come across narrations where Behati are sorry ma'am Bihari has made Saito think of a bouquet bouquet bouquet or so and so either

Mohandas has made it they'll see him no bokade then you you know while you're doing your research you'll find that a narration of sayin sae criticizing you him in the bouquet and you use that to your advantage what would you do in a case where people criticize you for doing that based on your whims and desires because you didn't wish for that hadith to sort of hold any value what I'm saying my approach is that this my approach is

that in the time of after the prophet sallahu in the time of the self of course then this becomes dislodged by centralized the chain they pushed the mutton which is the the meaning the

message they push that to the periphery now it's all about the chain or you for that matter or for that matter a lot of them exactly the same in fact what is

attributed to the attribute in the Hana fusil box to Imam Abu Hanifa saying that if the person mentions the chain then he's put the liability on you but if he doesn't then he has actually taken the responsibility upon his own shoulders and therefore it may be more reliable so sometimes they they kind of give a

morsel more precedence the question when you say make the life of a blue bouquet and you want to convince others also that this hadith may not be sake because of the I am new book aid how do you sort of combat the rhetoric that they come with of saying well yeah I flip the question so how would you sort of combat

the rhetoric that they're coming with of saying well so-and-so mate Oh so-and-so of his contemporaries mate though they love him so and so so and so and hence your viewers flawed how would you combat that right so but what I am doing is I am showing that such-and-such a scholar of hadith who is equally a heavyweight of equal standard to those scholars has declared him unreliable and even if he's the only person to do it it's fine because the point is that you see you're saying that

well I'm just following this person because Buhari said it and I'm saying well here in a sir you said this person is weak now you could accuse me you're right you could say oh but we've got we're playing a numbers game so we need more people to say these now that's fine but you can't say I'm obligated to follow your numbers game I understand many patients there's many occasions where people and let's say that person happens to be

Bihari so you will accept it you wanna follow it that's up to you my point is what I'm actually doing the actual message and the chain is on the periphery so you're focusing on the metal more absolutely because the

question is this even if we go by just Senate we should have we should have today the tools to be able to assess a chain of hadith based on its true merits like like the way you base you can assess a fatwa in based on the real evidences but the reality is we can't how would you do that without genuinely knowing those specific always is that what you're saying exactly all we have today are the statements of this second

wave of Mahadevan yeah who at times never even met the when it comes to most of the reward they've never met them for sure so relieve themselves have have have kind of like I mean they have nothing buried but they've not relayed to us who has told them yeah what if that person who told them made a mistake you sees the same thing what if or the person who told that person made a mistake yes so

when we see a huge element of faith like we just what we're doing is just basically just saying well you know I'll keep my eyes closed and I'm just trying to reach out for your hand and that's yeah and what I'm saying is well actually we do have a tool to assess hadith in this day and age upon its merits and that is that let's read what the hadith actually says yeah we weigh it up against the three the gold standard which is the criteria which is that it cannot go against reason it can not clash with the Quran and it cannot

approve Islamic principles I mean that happens then fine it's passed the huge bulk of the test now we can look at the chain and it's fine you know it's not really an issue but if it fails with the gold standard yeah then I would say well now okay it's very likely that somewhere in the chain we can see that something's gone wrong anyway so while studying saying the Metin of the hadith of inhabit soda one also you know

goes one is one also is forced into researching what the habits so that is actually is amazing because I saw asking the same question I mean I was just thinking the other day that that people you know you have a hadith that just says black seed everybody so of course nobody would say that it has been proved through to--it or through perpetual evidence that the black seed is well we sort of hold to be the black seed in fact even among the Mahad death on of the

past there was a difference for example Hasan Basri Ramallah said that the black series the hunter the mustard seed people that discussion for the black seed no it wasn't that discussion was to do with my methodology that has been questioned I've been asked on so many occasions that how do you question a hadith that's people like Bihari have said Asahi and

just because we're just yeah just because it's pertinent people have been circulating this message around that you know the black seed is issue five for the cove in nineteen it's a cure for the cove in an interview I of Bihari

specifically as I mentioned to you earlier before we went live that none of the Sahaba of the Ilan whom none of the other wet besides image a sodium Allah says that the black seed is the Sunnis which is like the Rosebud plant and other scholars have said it's somewhere to the bottom you know and another sort of true if or or seed if you may some have said it's an kimono as well the black human so people are actually not even sure what the black seed is through tillage or I'm saying it could be pepper so

somebody was saying I made a joke with my sister we were talking about this aspect the other day I said well if you really want to you know apply the hadith of blacks into your life then you know make a milkshake or something out of all these peppers and these spices and just gobble it up you know as a joke of course sure you know going back to your Kadam about dissecting the methane very dissecting the actual text of the hadith analyzing it another fun fact that I

stumbled upon was in my research of analyzing what the actual black seed is I came across some research of an Iraqi doctor who said that one habit soda and humberto soda dr. Neff mint macaron yarmulke he said the black seed first from one region to another even geographically so he says for example he says and have better so Durfee Sudan why you don't have Betty

soda fee and then both those you know the black seed of Sudan is different from the black seed of Yemen and then the black seed of Yemen is the is different from the black seed of of Jordan and actually even has a different name and then all that is different from the black seed and Shamy this is his he's mentioning his research and further the research also proves

that the black seed was not even native to the land of the Prophet SAW Allah whining he was mmm it was actually I was a fascinating that's tell us about that because that's a fascinating question that I actually was once thinking that I wonder you know when they're saying all this particular if you're taking kanonji into conversation if you're talking about kanonji or some people in you know in Peoria just on a lighter note to sell

the black seed they label as actual bottle here it says of course to the viewers and to my colleagues later on who might bash me for saying this I'm not criticizing the hadith of black seed I'm just basically analyzing the methane yeah so what we consider to be like I said previously by the way that I don't believe that yes for sure for sure yes I've heard you say that I'm still doing my own research show I would have

full after on tomb of T so the modern-day kanonji which people are accustomed to taking I believe that has its origins in Europe yes maybe faltering the Rosebud plant or the Kalonji what we call the Kalonji it has

its roots going back to Europe another reason why I sort of want to write this research paper on black seed as people are heavily circulating black seed to be an actual Shiva for The Cove in nineteen but even when you look at the Mohandas one of the past like and Noah we inaudible mani key and others yeah what to say with regards to you know this

whole aspect of black seed they haven't they have not said it's it's a Shiva like in the in their shuttle hat in their explanations they have not stated that it is a definite Shiva for every cure in fact Imam know him Allah he says he says in al-moraad Bill Haas the prophet sallallaahu Anna he was Phantom is not saying the black seed whatever it may be is a cure for every disease rather he's saying he's using the word could but could in the Arabic language

for you know even the humble student of the Arabic language they would understand that good doesn't necessary necessary Oh mom every time right it's not generic every time if not all because further on to mention that just as one could not say honey is a Shiva for every single disease in the same way they cannot say and had been to soda is a Shifa or a cure for every disease and he actually goes on to mention that honey could at times even be harmful in

the same manner and how about you so doubt once again reiterating whatever it may be it could at times be harmful for a person and then even even when you look at the text when we see when the Prophet SAW Allah why they were seldom says and had been to soda she mean could leader I mean currently the word could has been used even in the Quran as you know not not a generic sort of sorry a

generic pro it's not a pronoun what would you call that for example for example talking about the the window add to the middle good Lachey for a spa hula you are in La Mesa aquí no home yeah yeah so I mean this is that same thing that you're saying that when like the concept of metaphor sometimes we use all through hyperbole yes metaphor sometimes we use it meaning it doesn't have to always mean every like just as if I said is everyone here it doesn't mean is everyone from mankind

here I just mean what I'm talking about are they here so yeah that's and even in general conversation for example if you are to ask me your Massholes everything with you or you have or is every do you have everything that you need for your travel from Toronto to BC so I'll say a hundred in the coup de Lucia that doesn't mean I have the semi I have you know what I don't have basically say yes I have everything that I need that doesn't mean I have a nice camper which will drive from Toronto to BC or that doesn't mean I have all them of course luxurious

snacks that I need even in general you know conversation yeah I mean but I've seen this I totally agree with you I've seen a lot of this what I would feel is exploitation of the black seed will thing especially in light of Kofi you know but speaking uncovered another issue that that we've got that's quite pertinent mmm the arrival of Ramadan should Ramadan be canceled as a consequence of now I'm not sure if you've if you've been through or you've heard what I've had to say on these

options in saying well yeah I went through that what are your thoughts should we for the viewers who haven't watched my Monday nights with Mufti the recent one I did highlight that what I've said is you could either just if you if you want to you can just you know you can go ignore covet ignore the global pandemic and ooh and just go ahead with Ramadan as it is with the fastest 18 or option B you could fast but with a time

timed fast so it's not especially in the West where the days are excessively long so you're just possible yes so let's say you begin your fast at 5 a.m. and you open it before 6 p.m. that kind of stuff or you could entirely just delay Ramadan you could just and this has been 2 options if you are if you are ill then I wouldn't say delay I would just say you give your vidya if you like and you do not need to fast if you're actually ill

it's pretty rational if a person is unable to fast in the month of Ramadhan they have those options not even from us rather this classical this approach has been mentioned by classical scholars as well if an individual is say unable to fast or if there's some fear or in my case if I'm traveling then you don't have to opt to necessarily fast and put yourself in harm's way certain family members of mine are also expecting I told them from the catechol you don't need to fast in the month of Ramadhan you can make up the entire fast of

Ramadan at another time or for the Vidya if you can't basically fast in the would you say if somebody came to you because you you've got the amount position and you're saying well look I don't know I mean I haven't got covered I'm not in hospital but doctors are generally saying we need to keep our immune system strong what what do you suggest we do because it is gonna be kind of I have already suggested a similar approach to some of the many doctors in

community a lot of Muslim we are we have a lot of Muslim doctors who are in the front lines in Peoria requests you to me to ask for them and I always make dua for them they're you know they're actually the genuine heroes of our time props to them there are nurses and and the essential workers I've told them that if it is difficult for you to fast in the face of what you're dealing with and you know there's no worries for you you know you just know where he's just delay the fast for another time you don't have to be stressed about all your

sinning or Allah is going to unleash a sore ass economy because I'm not fasting some kind of love Jana's very very this is sort of the mentality that people have even in so far I think I'm mind boggled you know some people you know they say that no I'm going too fast although they're journeying in their car for say four straight days well if that perception that Allah is going to not naked or less not going to appreciate if

I leave fasting wants his dispensations to be taken to the extent in the most of the vehement there is the hadith that now that it's not piety to be fasting was going through difficulty with traveling yeah so hmm so mmm she's from a Syrian background it's your wife yeah and this one of one

of your wives I think we've got Imam into trouble here well I was going to before you know when we were beginning this life I was sitting here with mom with my gown on I was supposed to go live with the gown on then I thought you know people might say well what's this lifestyle trouble with Hashem despite the you know relaxed background they come from the Syrians

despite when I used to say break my fast during traveling we're not fast at all she would say who we were already travelling for an hour what are you doing why don't you fast so I would say come on these bloody extremists Coco anywhere with the Conte come anyway yeah Lucy when you mention Ramadan the aspect of the Torah we comes into so man I'm sort of I don't know what to say I saw a post today saying look at this Pakistani Islam and they were referring to you know the press conference conference

that happened that's actually been I don't know that's actually being criticized by their own very devotees in my community yeah I mean I feel that they think sometimes that this is like I don't know is this a kind of defiant stance like we need to oppose the government is this something I'm really disappointed in people like mostly Turkey I'm gonna be on yeah he's usually very reasonable I don't know if it's

community pressure but what I'm sort of mind-boggled about I'm sort of struggling to understand is the sort of group of scholars are saying prayer soon as at home quickly prayer fun at the Masjid but comforts are we into the Masjid right are they gonna do are we in the Masjid I'm not sure about Philander are we but there is a chance of motifs are some you know short are we but look at the irony like I don't understand this prayer soon as a home a pray taraweeh had them a ship and the ironies

Imam Malik actually said that it was sooner to pray there are we on your own if you want to pray it and it's not even such an emphasis from now going to the Malcolm yeah but if you do pray you prayed at home but he said thank you want to go to the mosque that's fine but Imam Malik himself never went to the mosque to pray in fact he never attended the last 25 years of his life they were actually talking about sanitizing the entire I don't know if

that would be active easier one of the

physicians in my community whose who I would call very pious actually sent me a message which I forwarded to you as well saying that after all these years these different sects these different denominations they've united upon something and that too is like they've united upon opening the miss massager during this pandemic

citing they couldn't unite on you know sharing platforms other occasions you know the United on but they United upon you know this matter which is causing havoc among society the other thing that I've seen previously like in Pakistan unite on this is the second and the first was the when the person in praise of the of the of that Mumtaz Qadri who murdered the governor of Pakistan oh yes yes and I was shocked that all these sects kind of united on that and which so crazy I mean it was a criminal act

and they all united on it and and they never unite on anything good and in this case they were united you know it's actually being criticized at a mass level another heartbreaking element is I saw a video of a doctor literally bawling crying crying yeah sorry we see he was crying and saying that it was a Pakistani doctor saying these people don't realize that it just takes one

individual to infect an entire soft some of the doctors in my community after watching the video of the press conference and see um if I was to say this from my side you know this criticize if I was to you know criticize these scholars from on my part of people and say well what are you doing you have no knowledge of medicine but I'm actually giving you factual evidence from doctors who are saying when a single individual say when the covin 19

goes into the messages and possibly makes sued and they are even short and they're sued and somebody else comes to that same area to once you know to pray they're sana they can now go back and affect their entire neighborhood if not their own families so this is one of these aspects that the question is though like you know when we say to people that look you have these dispensations like I say to let's say I'm saying to people if you

want to if you feel the question is though or the issue not the question the issue is because we're placing the responsibility of that decision upon their shoulders like we're saying look if you want to you can delete people feel incredibly daunted by that you know like I damn like I I'm I have to make up my mind miss Ramadan and I'm making it's my call it's a big like overwhelming

I think level minded people would go for that you know they would say yeah you know it fasting in the month of Ramadan may harm my immune system or it may harm my health and they would take that rational approach of delaying Ramadan I've seen it among my circles as well among my community members people have delayed or Milan or delayed certain facets of the month of Ramadan for different issues that they were facing Mahina Nasim has made a comment about Mufti taki come on behave people behave

you know this you know I've got a crazy sense of humor say you're trying to make me love ya but I am getting a lot of comments from different people saying that people like Mufti ducky have been sort of forced into agreeing with this matter because of community pressure point eight people like musty duckies up you know I I don't know honestly what what is the game plan with people like that I mean there was an era I suppose where he was you know trying to be revolutionary come out with new Fatah

war and things like this and people kind of be that guy in Pakistan and and that seems to have kind of like gone now subsided well I suppose he did whatever he did he jumped on the top of this finance thing in itself he did a good job there I even add today he did I mean look I'm I don't believe mortgages are Haram anyway I don't believe that I've got a detailed video on that but are you can feel that his but his thing I would play some questions like was heavily I mean there was huge investments he was the main advisor for

you know they all these you know in West you had all these halal mortgages by high street banks r1 staged like saw HSBC Lloyd's all these people doing halal mortgages they were initially backed by my understanding is was the tour was by these things and got a huge funding on the back well actually on second thoughts I wouldn't say do it but that was I think like seven years later

where he taking his huge paycheck I felt look come on Allah knows the reality of things but I just feel that it's naive my you know by by things by bikes by money by power by status and this thing right now this is crazy and I was disallowed be honest with you

I really lost but it and they praised it that you know which was really an act of terrorism they praised it openly and all attended this kind of at least encouraged to attend the funeral for this person yeah I lost hope at that stage been in these kind of people and so I don't know I mean when I see this now these scholars saying yeah you know ignore all of these ignore what the government saying this is religion you

know this is approach from and I'm talking about I'm saying it's a sad approach based on the evidence that is being related to me by you know doctors and physicians who are Islamic who are punctual you know attendees at the mosque and yeah it is saddening for sure many levels now in the West in the West there is sort of the elements of keeping message open as well from certain groups

which are backed by heavy hardcourt and Lily mentality my sorry Mufti just to finish my HUD my issue is this is when mainstream media picks picks up on their actions and they related it to be Islam when we know this has nothing to do with the character or the rationality of

Islam and you know after say a single mosque is adamant to stay open and the mainstream media picks up on this a lot of other messages who are generally abiding by what the government is saying they too are also demonized sure no I'm telling you I was having a discussion with somebody before this Tablighi Jamaat thing blew up it was kind of blowing up it was erupting as in in relation to this pandemic I mean in

India specifically I you know I said to someone that look wait a minute has the Indian government not enforced a lockdown of these masajid because they had in each team are in Medina mistltein now so somebody told me well actually no they haven't enforced a lockdown in in India of the misogyny as in enforced it by the police so I said I bet you what's gonna happen is these idiots are gonna go they have this huge esteem and the media's gonna pick this up

because the public need to blame someone and end up blaming Muslim widespread and that is exactly what happened within a few days the media was saying that one of the causes for the wide spread is these goddamn Muslim people who were having a nice time at the BT Jamaat the same time certain Hindus were also congregating but the mainstream media there did not or the biased media I would say they did not really pick up on

those festivals but yeah media was gonna play on this yeah I actually know people who allegedly died after coming back from that HD map by the way yeah through the cove in 18 this goes back to you know the had Yoona be so no mom I never sent him the beautiful guidance and gifts of our our prophets on Allah when you said I'm and of course the the or on which tells us to keep safe don't put yourself in harm's way

metella hiding him but I don't really agree with their you know their whole idea of going to that HT man this very scary time I mean speaking of masajid and and the kind of restrictive illusions that people have I know I mentioned to you somebody had actually had kind of brought up with me a an issue here in the UK to do with masajid

placing certain restrictions and in fact one of the moms was due to come on tonight actually and discuss that he couldn't make it he had asked of transgender people in masajid now you know from one hand I know we're talking about a situation before we machines are being shut down arguing

no machines must be open they must remain old because god I said that on this hand we had this Imam from Swindon

UK who had highlighted that in his going on all the solutions to these things I think people have really taken the mercy of allah subhanahu wata'ala

to not be of much value when they sort of discriminate against people who made certain choices in their lives which they may possibly regret or they may possibly not regret they may possibly have repented to allah subhanahu wata'ala for what they ended up doing or they may still have their own thoughts but at the end of the day if they are claiming to be Muslims they are claiming to be part of your congregation why should they then be damned from you know populating the message just as you're populating the Masjid or your followers or your Muslim lien are populating the

Masjid in fact we actually faced one of these situations where a person who changed certain elements of their body that yes they ran they ran crying they came crying into the debris of the office and they were now lamenting upon the choice that they made of changing their gender so they asked one of our Muftis you know what's the situation am I allowed to come to the Masjid am I not allowed to come to the Masjid and I like the rationality and reason of some of

our scholars who are amazing in their approach without making any judgements on this person the mufti looked at him he apparently saw that this individual was still a male and he said no what kind of assessments are all right from attitude from the way he spoke from the features you know the beard or whatever

it may be and he said it Toby Allah welcome to face off in teacher he said he said just encouraged him if you know if you are lamenting upon which what you've done repent to Allah and if you are worried about if you could come to if you are worried about you know the fact that if you're allowed to come to the Masjid or not let me dismiss that fact by telling you let me dismiss your doubts by telling you a male to female sex change wouldn't you feel that women the women's section

would be more appropriate or and this person was not fully changed he wasn't fully transform yeah he felt he hadn't fully trance I don't know if I'm misusing that word I don't want to be offensive to anyone he hadn't fully transformed right to the other gender yeah but if they had let's say they've done a transformation I my understanding would be that they if they are now female then that's how they would be in in in all walks of in whatever departments in terms of being dealt with

or going into certain areas they would be in your view is supported by many my jamehia men 50 organizations they've said the same thing if a man has totally if somebody was a male and they have totally now changed into say a female they will now train the women's session or where the women pre I think I said sister section the sister section is different in UK and the sister section is differ in the

u.s. right we are our sisters and our misschien I forgot in the UK they just don't have a women's section yes it is formatted pretty amazingly where search and sisters who don't believe in no barrier they actually have a section right behind the males I mean how it was in the time of the Prophet to be honest yeah and sort of the conservative sort of the sisters would take the conservative approach they have their section behind that

which has a barrier so nobody could object to either or wish to do whatever they want you know when it they come to the Masjid yeah no absolutely I I do find it interesting though that this discussion and I discussed with that Imam that you see there was the phenomenon of the Hansa the eunuch in Islam young history and it's discussed in most fit books and ostracize tree so just shocking to read how really just just generally just like they don't

really care about because they were just so sidelined in everything they discuss the inheritance about them in fact when we study the books are filled sad to say many and our teachers will make jokes and make fun of these people you know and that in itself creates a negative ideology in the minds of the students yeah and because especially considering that in the fifth books they were dealing with natural phenomena they were another phenomena they weren't even dealing with or initial or cosmetic or you know it was an age from hundreds of years ago just you know

in other words when the most he is saying they were born like that they were exactly it was a natural thing it was naturally organic and yet there was this culture in the fifth book where they would write things like if you go to Babel Hansa the chapter dealing with the hammer fur tied states that they will say they will begin often by saying al Hansa Latin que ella Tonka yes Marie I know we read them that sort of lurked in my heart all this while along and people actually those Mufti people

actually quote this quote these attacks to the modern-day hermaphrodite and they say that no they can't get married whatsoever and there there are medical procedures which they can opt for you know so cool like how does how do they have how does anybody of the right and based on this whole cultism or this culture you see in places like India Pakistan and many of the Arab countries as well that these individuals confess

or the hermaphrodites they're born into good families but then put onto the streets and abuse and then utilize as prostitutes and horrible things and a lot of this is related back to those Phil ki Baaraat you know because those filthy a barrage those texts sapphic where which ostraca which ostracized the Hansa sorry the these texts actually ended up developing sort of a mindset in people and this is how you must read the whole set because I genuinely found that

so shocking and I felt that I remember reading that years ago when I used to study in the motherís ah and I thought that's how could because if you're saying look the sexual instincts or natural instincts I mean you could say well look this urge annals Sharia Islam gives and show just as the just as easy to eat they look the Sharia would say don't eat pork but it would say okay but each all of these things that's fine you know you can you don't have to eat meat you can eat meat you can be a vegetarian you can't eat don't drink alcohol but you can drink all of these things it's not there's no

deprivation of instinctual needs now how you say to somebody that look oh well you have no right to sex . you just it doesn't matter it just doesn't make sense you can't have a legitimate marriage but you could be pushed onto the streets to become or the lack of terms a [ __ ] or a prostitute and i felt sometimes that this was

twofold one at a lesser reason was that some of these scholars i feel that they felt that if we legitimize the marriage we would have to openly legitimize sodomy anal sex now first of all some methods like this school of imam ali did not deem anal sex necessary harm anyway but the other schools because they've had because they've taken digs out of the schools for this they would be kind of going back on their own principle if you like that's a lesser reason

yeah they were of course historically right so a lot of for people who don't know a lot of the Hunter a lot of these hermaphrodites and so on they often work closely they worked very closely with caliphs and kings and in royal palaces yeah they were like the overseers yeah and one of the reasons was was because the kind of kings and the dynasts felt safe that well they're not going to be sleeping with their women mm-hmm so this was but yeah at the same time they've got the strength of men so you know they've got the upper strength to kind

of like do arduous work they could be close to them they could give you know just like I suppose just like I feel that this may have led to a kind of like an aristocracy class of eunuchs as in that they like an honorable clash right

not so much I don't know about honor I mean I'm sure it was honorable in its own way but a powerful class more I'm more more talking about the perspective of power dynamics now this class of eunuchs that they've become a class in and of themselves the scholars themselves were always kind of struggling to be a power class so you see that the scholars often would thank you so they would often go to they will

try to be close to the rulers to the dynastic in the courts try to attend the courts try to be in favor and because one obviously had money in it but it had power now I feel that was they a rivalry for your voice is breaking right I mean was there a was there rivalry between a power rivalry that's what I mean between these two classes of eunuchs of the scholars because the scholars were a

class in and of themselves in this rivalry somehow manifest itself in the scholarly works that the skull is right in their books because they write almost without compassion this is just something it's just for sure it is definitely a thought and I don't mean somebody says go if it does go back to that rivalry and if that if that is actually what took place then it caused

centuries worth of damage you know because the rivalry here isn't you know somebody saying that oh well is this you know like a rivalry between scholars and eunuchs it's not it's going back to the position it's going nations of power yeah you see who is closer to the Kings and the K lives and the dynasts and and the Lords of the time who is closer to them because the eunuchs managed to get close to them simply because of the Anatomy they lose they they were men but

a sexual the prophets and Allah why he was sending them many of them would go into the homes of females of course I'm speaking based on certain narrations many of them would go into the homes of the females when other you know say so how about all the Elan home where general men could not walk into those same homes you know there's that narration of um sentimental d11 as well where there was an individual was a eunuch or Herman

Herman Friday and this individual basically was held to be of that sort until they made a statement about sexuality where they were sort of enticed by looking at a certain woman and that is when the Prophet SAW Allah Meyerson and prevented that eunuch from walking into humming somebody made a comment about eunuchs had powerful absolutely I mean that is exactly what I'm you know I'm we're trying to highlight here and it's

it's had me wonder that was this power element seem very Islamic it seems that's not impossible Mufti once again

because going back to our initial dialogue people to establish Authority or people to gain power or people to gain people who try to gain prominence if they can make the fear of another individual to keep that prominence would they care about some eunuch you know fees are named according to of course of course of course but really this this ties back into a greater dialogue really in and a discourse one to do with roles and responsibilities of scholars of course

power dynamics in society and the consequences of yeah for sure for sure it's something to think about we really need to not abused authority as scholars which is oftentimes the case you know I forwarded a message to you talking about a mathematic when he was basically approached by one bin abdul-aziz I mean I've done as he said you know let's make

the official they claim yours Abuja and some of the claims as well maybe manic deny that no I don't want to make my book equivalent to the Quran or as a deuced or for that matter as imposed as yeah sort of an imposed element upon people the author of that article was saying if it if Abu Jafar Mansoor if Abu Jafar Mansoor offered such authority to

a scholar of our time everyone would run out or and after that sort of authority I I know in psychology this is stressed especially within certain you know subsections of psychology discourse analysis it really stresses on certain elements to analyze them and one of them is power dynamics we do now align how it changes within a discourse but yeah that is an even today you know going back

these are making a certain stance or these other allama it's you can't be you can't kind of ignore the power dynamics there because kind of grab of power that is kind of like because when one makes a statement you see what the what the subtext is also stays there stating the sub statement is that I am in a position to make this statement so there is a huge because when we say oh we want the mush it's open or the mush it will be open we're announcing it also announcing that

I am powerful II know despite many medical doctors actually pouring their tears in light of that stance because the medical doctors have seen it one of the doctors who was actually reacting to that whole press conference actually said I have hundreds of people who have died in front of me yeah

it's not even it's not so much about it's not so much I mean obviously those things are very important about the the kind of actual what to do to prevent the social distancing and all of these things and that is obviously very important it's inseparable from this issue at hand but of these movies of these kind of scholars to to kind of always come back it could be a different issue we could be in a different circumstance we could be in something

entirely different but they always kind of bounce back with the negative as a stance of defiance and I think like where does this come from I mean yes these things somebody said by the way chef's muscles accent is borderline Irish Wow okay I don't know if it is I didn't take that trouble the lot so that has probably affected my if there are quick questions we're happy to take them if people want

to post anything quickly just fire out some questions quick wrap it round before we begin to wrap this up I'll just bring this up here as well somebody said about the eunuch is not equal to transgender which is not equal to homosexual none of them is equal to hermaphrodite or different things to ask them is the same problem you see the issue is we're not talking about a mirror it's not about

being identical symmetrical the issue is the attitude and approach are the same because these issues have similarities the similarities are that they don't fit in with the normal straight straighter that people have the kind of schematic structures these things are odd they don't fit in so how have this colleague in class reacted I'm surprised going back to the eunuch I have seen people

quoting those about you know those texts are filth yeah even in our time when your honor when there are medical procedures readily available for somebody who is say naturally born as a eunuch there are medical procedures available that they can opt for so for some sort of you know when they may consider a reformation of some sort so that side yeah yeah what you mean because I said they don't fit

in right so I'm sure when it comes to this question what if someone gets married with the intention of sex it's not a follow on from a question about the purpose is to have children okay so what can people get married for different intentions can they mom take it away go ahead of course some people get

married only for intimacy others get married for company intentions and preferences would differ from one person to another absolutely fine there's nothing wrong in you know if somebody can get married many people in the Syrian culture in the Syrian culture I noticed something they would say well you know there's a nice compatible possible spouse or possible husband or a possible wife let us facilitate their sitter for them I found this word very interesting setting like

they sort of use it in a context of preserving sexuality the first time I heard those I was amazed you know you know they do use that in a kind of in the indo-pak thing as well in the sense that they'll say that the spouse keeps the other person pure like like meaning that they kind of keep them pure from doing other things yeah so I have heard similarities parallels you know that

okay yeah but I said what you meant now about Saturn like it's a satyr for them like malleable okay right somebody had asked worries saying da before going into the bathroom or even in the bathroom we put the dryer if we wish to read it and we're encouraged to read it by our families we usually leave it outside the door of the bathroom because

there are certain prohibitions of you know taking the name of allah subhanahu wata'ala mentioned in the books of phil through certain a hadith as well there are certain prohibitions of taking the name of Allah in the bathroom so I don't know what your thoughts on that sure I mean the Maliki perspective on this that is many people do say what you said the Maliki my Malik's response was that you could say it I'll wherever and there was no restriction I'm not sure for weary or in my Malik would actually allow because the thing is that the

concept of the bathroom wasn't a concept that because at what point does the bathroom begin yeah and especially in that time where the bathroom yeah so the renaming area might have just been an open floats up to them so going into a room so if this wall that begins here is the bathroom wall then I come in but what if it was all the way over there what if it was over here so this is just arbitrary so according to imam malik it was simply the act of relieving yourself before that you may you could say like you know if you want to say a particular to our bismillah oh the villa or

whatever but it's not during relieving you don't say the name of allah but it wasn't about the room the room in and of itself made no and a mimosa is well i believe was an imam ali called so which I actually found strange believe it or not even as a Maliki interesting to

remove it even if you were going to be using the toilet and then obviously with your hands having to clean yourself he felt that there was no obligation to because it would just be an awkwardness and you know like an inconvenience to one of our uncle's in our community who after difficult after facing difficulties in relieving themselves

they say somebody asked about speaking on the toilet you can actually it's not her arm to speak whilst on the toilet its although there is this cultural thing that you're you better not speak your it is sort of dislike based on certain text right like searching a hadith where the profits on Allah why do some mention when one of you or when two of you go to relieve yourselves don't converse with one another but I don't think personally those things are sorry I think the chains are those hadith generally I don't just mean from my

criticism but that said there is a culture when people say well you know you shouldn't be you're relieving yourself you should do this you should but it's not harm generally it's not like I mean not generally it isn't haha whether it's from the etiquettes of going to the toilet or not it's something else like yeah and somebody asked what about speaking when naked yeah there's nothing there's nothing no objection on yeah going back to you know the sleeping method of the time of the Prophet SAW Allah when you said I'm usually in they slept and closed most

people they closed off as they slept and there are conversations even in that situation reported from the prophets on allah wedding of course I mean clothing has nothing to do we're speaking for God's sake that would be absurd if God was to say Oh nobody's allowed to speak if they can't just be crazy even during intimacy a husband and wife would be just mute okay on that note are

people allowed to since they allowed to be having discussions are they allowed to be having regular kind of you know the kind of talk that happens during sex is that I've got no idea I mean innocent people like us would know these things you're putting the load on me you know all that kind of people say all this kind of dirty talk and things like this what's the ruling on that then if they of course there's nothing wrong with that a lot of my youth group has picked

up on that you naughty naughty community somebody said it shouldn't be vulgar what if it is vulgar what if people want like you know sometimes in during intimacy they would say they'd want to be called like they would say call me this call me is that okay because let's say Eve even though in a non intimate situation that word would be offensive let's calling somebody something like that but in this situation you know all these words are used like people like

you said earlier on about [ __ ] or you know a prostitute well I suppose prostitutes a bit of a formal word but how oral yeah what comes to mind when you mentioned this is one of the one of the principles where if a person is to take an oath that they won't hit their wife and during intimacy or during sex they hit their wives right there their wife not wives then they won't become highness

meaning they will not nullify the prop or original promise that they took because the intent is intimacy and not abuse this is a no solo show by the way no it makes people who didn't understand that just so you understood it but if if a person are taking an oath there's so much discussion of oaths by the way in the old fake books ain't they this they just get carried away with this oath business so if a person took an oath sir I wouldn't raise my hand but then let's say to his

wife it could be the other way as well but generally it's the stated that way in the books but let's say he playfully ordering intimacy or hit her right that would without going into much details unless Imam suppose to just in the year do a demonstration of how house banking works so they say that that wouldn't be a violation of the earth yeah yeah it's

interesting a lot of the older Lama were very open when discussing these kind of massage you know including the giants like imam abu hanifa speaking about foreplay and whatnot they were very open I think there was not no shyness in that whole sexual culture in that time so just view sex as a very natural phenomenon for I know smacklin know I know it's naturally leading or you know exactly like that today it is obviously still natural as in part of nature but it's not seen it's it's still a very sensitive even though in the West were

very liberal and liberated but even then seen as a very kind of it's got a lot of I'm trying to think of a better term for it really but it's it's not seen casual its or it's sort of to talk about is taboo one could say it's a taboo subject and I've seen this among the Indo packs the Africans the Arabs I've seen Arabs sometimes still less I mean you're right they're still very sensitized but less indo-pak for sure it's true because I

remember being in Damascus in the mosque yeah and after Suba I remember the Imam turning around and he did a terrace he sat down after salon he'd read had the ethan e as he would and you just give a few words and commentary and and one of the hadith was about something to do with there was a different hadith and then one of them was to do with intimacy I think he just said like because it's very casual like they would say Oh either a German you know you know if one of you if a man has sex with his wife then he should do this this now even saying it like that in an indoor park

community is very similar thing happened in one of our gatherings where there was a dispute between the husband and the wife and they were there were sort of discussing certain personal aspects with regards to the mehar and one of the questions that the coffee an out-of-shape actually ended up saying how the Hulton be ha in front of the entire machinist right so this like have you penetrated her yeah and have you consummated the

marriage yeah and even among the syrian culture they call the you know some people like to call the first night or some people yeah Dola I mean that's amongst general many Arab countries call it which is literally the penetration penetration yes you know these Arabs have this thing that they you know that they give up the cloth with the blood only and they or take it around I

haven't seen that side the room Sony's have that as well I'm not of Indians how's that - I tell you I see a spoke not with people will for example they will wait outside of room in the entire house they'll pack out the house and the guy and the girl go in the room and then they've obviously do the deed and then what happens the guy takes the white bed sheet and passes it through the door and then they all kind of pass it around and they do

their I don't know how they do this screams you know right so they do all of these and that goes right through like from the middle east right across North Africa I mean the Arab countries as a whole seem to have and I find that so like what what if you know she does and then when she doesn't believe she's ostrich ostracized rate this happened I've heard of cases where the guy will just cut himself somewhere or the girl will you know like to kind of save face really and save grace for hmm and it's

kind of like have that drop that blood and I mean nowadays I suppose this even hyman kind of where they call them kind of replacement a reconstruction hymen so people do based on you know their cultures that's so shocking as a somebody told you that in the Muslim culture definitely not that widespread

we computers dang is it ok cool what well you know what we it's been awesome are there any would you like to wrap up with some words I want to send my love

out there to people just to encourage them to really value family amidst this difficult time many people are saying I've only gotten to understand my father and mother after kovin 19 so value your family you know wives are saying and husbands at the same time are also saying we've only understood what we

mean to one another or whether we've only understood what family time time means after this trial of The Cove in nineteen so you know really value your family look out for them make them your priority embrace them whenever you can and just understand that they are a gift given by God to you whatever the crisis or the situation and they need not be a crisis yeah you can just you can just

you know many massage it in the u.s. are already doing it by I would really encourage massage you know worldwide especially in the Western countries to really reach out to the Interfaith community really reach out not for the sake of just that wa get to know them as human beings appreciate them and look after them at the time of their needs just as you look at in many cases you don't even look after your own in the time of needs but look after these people you know they are your neighbors they are valuable I was just telling Mufti before we went on life our mustard actually facilitated and will continue

on facilitating during this time meals and resources for people who are facing abuse and they are locked up and you know centers of prevention for abuse our Masjid is actually reaching out to these people and the neighboring churches at the time of their crisis and maybe synagogues our Masjid is doing their part in reaching out to them as well somebody had mentioned that just on as a quick note that domestic violence seems to have recent and due to the lockdown yeah it has yes unfortunately certain

context which shouldn't be the case I I personally found myself valuing my family more amidst the Scoville 19 pandemic not to self-praise these are the real men out there that you know when they say where are the men gone I in my list so far I only had two people that in our group we would say we only know two people that were guys now there's a third Imam as we got to put him in for - been awesome people sugar and for hanging in the even though today

was a late one I did think it was important because I'm actually drained forgive me no no it was absolutely awesome yes I am reading the comments as well but I don't disrupt sometimes the flow of the conversation with the comments but I do read them yeah I mean it was incredibly important because the software had been not the software the actual hardware I've done all this rewiring you guys can't see here but the old wires everywhere I've got a tidy this up tomorrow I want to make sure he works and it took forever trying to once

again tomorrow I hopefully will have dhak dhak Iran from Metroflex Jim incredibly beneficial particle of eco Salam o aleikum wa rahmatullah I am going to put up once again my all my social media feeds like um people shehram spread the love as as share my

said spread the love but spread in a way that that is dangerous all right people over and out