People Don't Have Ideas. Ideas Have People | Meetup with Shaykh AbdulRahman Ghauri | Mufti Abu Layth

it's six in the morning over here so you like yeah why not why not I've been good little I'll hunt I love you you had mashallah a lot of people today in your foreign

right that's the you know this is this is it that plus the rest is all good rest you know I like this by the way oh you're shifting you're shifting into that okay I don't know but sure I mean why not he's an amazing that that would be such a a thing to try to occupy that out to even move into but yeah let's try let's try it it's getting more like toned down and Russia are very uh different but I like

the new Avenue me oh yeah you know what it is uh uh it's it's not you know it's the the outward is simply a manifestation of the inward journey of course and it's that I would say that you know there's just been in the last especially the last maybe what eight ten months or eight months at least if not the last year but especially like the yeah maybe the better part of a year put it like that I've you know just been on this kind of

Journey of of Consciousness and just really it's it's been very you know that I felt my if I could say like I felt for once a connection or with the soul and I don't think I really felt these things before in the same way like maybe I experienced similar Rich things due to other experiences emotionally but putting

emotionality aside I I find myself at very different um honestly it's just I I don't know I'm not trying to put words on added or even trying to describe it it's just a journey like but I find myself on a path I find myself walking um and it's just a step at a time and the path is unfolding as it is I don't know it's not I don't have a kind of like a certain plan or a certain thing about this it's just I'm very curiously walking the path and yeah and it's very very enriching very nourishing

it's very um meaningful for my life I I find yeah so these this is where I'm until with it there's a certain temperament changes and a certain the way you look at the world starts to change and the way just certain things start to change you see different colors all of that like almost you don't see the actual colors but maybe the Hues of colors in life seem a bit different to you and you yeah so with it you um you are not I get I guess there's it's a journey it's a philosophical question of being versus becoming

you are a being but maybe you're on a journey to becoming uh you know and I guess that's a Perpetual Journey until the journey just ends you know it's always this being versus becoming and yeah you know you know the the thing is like you know people like us who have been into their Loom phases madrasa phases and then University phases and uh our own research phases and then you know I do I do get your point a lot because I've been I've had all these phases and I've been now I feel so calm after researching much more in life I

feel admit with more knowledge you feel more calm but one but then again I do believe I used to believe that firmly but then again it is the individual choice because you know some some olama I know them and you might know them as well you know I don't want to take their names but they're like big olama but they still scream a lot around like they do have the knowledge but they still don't have them it's not it's not you see you know what it is it's like what we were just saying on the other discussion it's not information you know Imam Malik said this so well that he said you know when they asked

him about he said he said it is not an excess of information and rewired and just having data he said but it is a light that kind of inflames Allah places it in the heart of certain people it is not a it's not an information thing the information is helpful in then when in in navigating through that experience in

relaying it to others and guiding others so as you navigate through the Journey of of the Soul on this Consciousness you it's it's a different realm it's more about understanding than it is about just information and but and it's more about a greater realization of things like well insania and compassion and things like this but whilst you're doing that once you're walking this path the information you have allows you greater insights it's like almost it's a glasses that you're

wearing that because you have that information because you have access to the Quran and you have access to being able to understand the Quran understand the Alum understand with the fatawah of ulama the Legacy that they wrote you can kind you can piece together things that maybe if somebody didn't have that access they too can still develop the soul but maybe they just wouldn't make some of those connections with the verses because they don't have access to the verses or they don't have access to certain a Hadith or certain Traditions

so the information is helpful in piecing it together and trying to also help others with it by trying to say hey look at this but if it was just information if we just sat down and just you know here read all these 20 books and by the time you finish them you will now be something else you wouldn't if that was the case the self-help industry would go out of date with just one book because the moment a person reads one book they would now just be super successful it doesn't work like that it's yeah so

I don't know what kind of spiritual subhanallah connect we have but the other day I was just like I've I've gotten so much so much more patient I've just like I've been watching videos of Dr Solomon misbahi and the other one I said posted his story that was like Mufti listens to him too and it's so fun because I can you might hate to me because I when I listened to him I listen to him a lot sometimes and the funny thing is you you know as I know that I probably um of course we never talked about it but as you can imagine I don't agree

with a lot of izakai of course especially in the story part like a lot of these karamat and these we I don't actually you know agree with a lot of things you know but I'll tell you what though I tell you you know the thing is this there's a different way of looking at it that's what I what I was if you give me a second that's what I'm I was saying exactly now with time I've gotten to understand what people can have from him if they don't go to that Grave part you can take away a lot of surface isn't it's not like um it's you know and I take it a step

further you see what I would say is that you see it's for a moment we have to suspend everything so you know suspend all this you know what people are doing and and judgments and people are going to Graves or people are going to whatever because you know in all honesty what you see when one looks you know like that Hadith that Allah says that that they we that the eye becomes the eye of God that we see through that you see even people that are doing all these things they just they you see they that what they're doing is they're

operating from a level that they just have access to like they don't they have like maybe lower you know that you know maybe you know these people maybe that they've got obviously less educated they've they just know certain things they don't that sophisticated in their thinking and there's so many most people look most people on the globe are not going to be profound thinkers that's just like most people are not going to be athletes most people are not the majority of human will not that that's always Elite people it's always a margin now these people they're doing it out of

they're not doing it from a place of mali's or they're not doing it from a place of uh you know even their ignorances even these people go to tombs and do whatever they're doing it from a place of devotion it's just misplaced devotion that's all and you know it's still exactly it's still a devotion of course of course there are still a love but so when we see from that Divine lens what we understand is we stop like we we lose all the hate and what we see is like this person actually you know they've they this person is trying to make a proclamation of love but it's

just misplaced and misguided that's all it's not the person means well they they just haven't you know they just it's misplaced because of whatever or a number of reasons that's what it's like a far-fetched example but like you know the other day I was reading someone broke into Cristiano Ronaldo's Hotel room and of course he still signed his things and he didn't give him to into the police and stuff but the point is still good of love but the thing he did of course was wrong but he did it out of love you know I do believe like people like that are truly ashika rasool I do believe that this and this doctor you

know may Allah bless him I feel that you know you know it's like um it's like the you know when it's said that you don't choose the path the path calls you and in some ways I I heard uh young I've heard it's a quote of young I think that um that um people don't have ideas ideas have people

amazing somebody shared it with me recently on my patreon things I was like really I loved it and it's the same kind of thing of this Divine Divine toffee that it's the path choosing and I feel sometimes some people come into our lives at a at a time that is right like Allah I seriously um so grateful [Music] I probably listened to probably every day to something if not every day every other day I listened if not every day

probably I listen to yeah you know it's just I spoke of this phenomenon the other day that we have an oracle that you know to some people we will there will be an a placeholder and the Oracle phenomenon is a placeholder some person will be your or like if you that person speaks for some reason it it it works for you like it it and what I said earlier on as well with the works of Antonio dimasio that you see we fundamentally are creatures feeling creatures who think we are not thinking

creatures who feel and you see we we feel a that for some reason it clicks when he speaks it hits my my heart it's hard hitting and hard-hitting you know it really and it and it just makes me want to be a better person so I so much value like I've reevaluated the whole thing I've started to see wow okay I see the art in in even folk tales I see the wisdom it's like what what he's doing it's it's I don't know if you know he has this video is it has this video like 10 minutes you know and it's so absurd it just blew my mind he has this video I think there were like people

standing who were like going for Hajj youngsters and stuff behind him and he was just trying to tell them that if you go to Medina just don't take pictures all the time you know yes and he said it was he said like 25 times he said he said it like 25 times and but it hit my heart and he was like and he's and he said so simple things like what did this

and I was like it's so simple I just hit my heart yeah for the views that's just he's saying that you know you you become preoccupied with the phone like you've got the phone out again you've got the phone out again and you know what it doesn't I get it look the it doesn't whoever what whoever works for someone you know I spoke like maybe some person uh yeah he's that Oracle voice maybe for some person it's none of them it's only just Yusuf maybe for some people it's they whoever maybe it's their friend maybe it's the local Imam maybe it's whoever you find that for some reason there is a

frequency a wavelength this person has that is it it locks into your soul when they speak and sometimes that person changes over time yeah well I guess we all change and and change is is I think good you know if if it's towards growth um obviously it can be you see the thing about change is when it's happening obviously we it's difficult to because it's just happening we can only tell over time that oh this was good change you know when it's happening it's just happening but yeah so uh yeah shukran for sharing that I I appreciate that man I didn't realize you

were also a keen fan of uh I realize that about you as well until I saw I was like yeah and shall I tell you something honestly I um I'll say this and then we'll kind of wrap this because I know there's one to other people waiting um I I saw recently that there were some um videos where um you know um

so Mr Engineers have had kind of called out on a few videos and and there were one or two videos where um it came up on my YouTube so I saw them is kind of reacting to him he's kind of taking the bait almost and you know between uh I don't know directly obviously he's had such a profound effect you know in recent times on my life as well on my spiritual journey but between us I there's I I know one at

least two people who know him okay or have some contact maybe with through someone to him so I sent them a message and I've said that um I just said that look I'd like to send a message because I you know I feel you may be in contact with I said that not not my message to him as in just if you could convey like as in your I said that look I came across some of these things that came up on YouTube and my message or my thoughts sorry it's not a mess my thoughts are just that plea don't take the bait that you know

don't get into there is just something so uh destructive about that energy of this back and forth in this kind of polemics of debate and and I said that look you know what melts my heart with Miss fahisab is that in most of his videos whenever he's always smiling he's always speaking about love advice always speaking about you know about being just a better person and and I said that you know just be that light man you know because that light is it is so you know it is it is

kindling flames in places like in UK how you can't even imagine it's touching lives and souls and hearts and souls and I just said that you know this thing this debate thing is so easy to get caught up into yeah and so if if this message can be conveyed by you I said to then my message would just be just don't just don't don't bite the bait don't take it because it's it's just toxic man and I see look I respect certain things that um look minnes

is doing I understand looky's approach his approach is um it's a Scholastic approach here so you know he's it's one where he's involved with look I'm gonna do uh you know not academic but theologians speak I'm going to go logically with sequence you know I want evidence I want this I want that everything is very academic and you know but the the truth is like if if I'm going look I I admire uh military engineers in his own way uh but let's be honest that look what he's criticizing um

about if we're going to be honest he's trying to criticize him about Dogma but but ultimately he too is dogmatic you know he's not like somebody that is you know as a person who is an advocate me of of reason I would say like let's be honest he's not an advocate of reason he's just a Scholastic person so he's he's less dogmatic less dogmatic but yet still he is you know inexcusably dogmatic on matters so the question is this it's like well if I'm you know it's like if a person in baseball he playing who plays

baseball let's say in some kind of poor approximation I'll agree is now mocking a footballer for kicking the ball but it's like well you see it's just a different game but you're still playing the game it's not it's it's like you see what you're doing is still arbitrary sets of rules this little Dogma that you abide by like his whole theory is based on that one Hadith even I don't even mean that you see I don't even mean in that that's more like his his kind of choices which obviously I would disagree with but I'm not that's

not even my point my point is Dogma itself you see because when you accuse people of being dogmatic which let's say they are in certain things that they tell folk tales and they tell these things which which has other functions to it but you're ignoring that and saying look well this isn't proven because according to this set of rules let's say this game of rules this is an authenticated blah blah blah blah blah but then you see so it sounds more rational it just sounds rational which is fine but which to some extent it is but it's arbitrarily rational now if let's say a person let's say a person shifted the game

like let's say okay let's say you remove this and you want to speak about reason let's say you want to speak about what I spoke about today okay the birth of Orthodoxy so what makes your like let's say uh Mirza Engineers are was to be questioned about opinions that he holds that are not in the Quran and Sunnah but only Allah hold them yeah exactly so let's let's say today we address this thing of of sifat or we addressed this thing of um of of understanding things that are not um so so they could they could be all kinds of Martyrs whether a person is going to look at in

light of today or just in light of Reason let's whether you want to say usul whether you want to say these things are not proven by reason like in fact some of them are counter reason but you would only accept them because you feel that well if I don't play this game then I'm going to get blacklisted so I I can only you see so I will refuse Dogma up until a point but then beyond that I too will accept Dogma uh then ultimately it's just a point of where one draws the line it's not a point of the you know of in or out

because it's not pure reason it's clearly not pure reason I mean there's it's not so yeah I mean we get distracted anyway that may look May a lot bless them all but I just feel that sometimes when I see these things and I see almost being challenged as the voice of reason like let's say let's say a good example bukhari gate now yeah um would obviously when it comes to bukhari just become dogmatic not because because to question now let's say now you know fine a person wants to accept buhari but let's say you have the bukhari

bottleneck squeeze on foreign now the whole thing rests on the neck of you know there's a bottle squeeze now this not even conceding to that is a result of sheer uh program Dogma not even conceding I mean one is let's say you concede to it and you but not even conceding to it is simply pure Dogma like you're not even prepared to even examine the question at hand because of sheer ingrained Dogma so that that that's a question right there you say

well okay well you know if you want to be so let's say logical and rational then you have to be that everywhere but if you say no if we're going to question Hadith now let's say we want to then we apply the same thing to okay Hadith let's say uh validation we're going to look at the the kind of punctuated equilibrium in it's not generation

it's so it's so unbelievable that he bases everything on that one Hadith and then if you look at somebody he says he he actually said he's like his head this case have discussed that Hadith as well and other people yeah the point is my point wasn't his one of opinion my point was his mechanism is dogmatic it's not you see like if you're going to be the voice of reason then and you're going to be rational and you're going to be logical then you have to apply those rules everywhere but if you're going to

say well I'm going to attack your Dogma for being dogmatic but then you know I too am dogmatic on all of these things then it's kind of well this is like an arbitrary uh and now you know but anyway talk about that I would I would really like to listen to your Hadith analysis of that Hadith as well I've researched it as well so but one day because it is which everyone gives to say uh you know the people who killed the model were uh more obviously they do give that even if they do give

it that part isn't isn't established it is yeah so okay let's we'll wrap this up sure there's a lot of people were speaking so much