Age of Aisha | Defending The Prophet's Honour ﷺ | Meaning With MALM #55

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Allah bless you all I mean Allah right so while some of you are just tuning in clicking like and share all right I'll I wanted to just do a very brief session on defending the honor of the prophet salallahu alaihi wasallam

and part of actually having so I don't I don't know why these discussions are resurfacing again they are naturally it's a very prominent topic the age of artists but for some reason I don't know whether some people are debating it is that the reason uh it's causing a stir again and these things are always disturbing people so

now I do have a detailed video on this before but there's always so much more to be said on these things so I thought let's set aside today some words and what further prompted this was uh or this tonight's session in addition to this backdrop of why Allah this topic is resurfacing but also I was um having a live stream with my patreons and we were discussing things and this topic came up and we ended up discussing it and I said

look I will share some of this on Wednesday's meeting with malm as well just so other people can benefit a they can be a greater good our utmost loyalty in Islam lies with Allah and his messenger

there is everybody else can be amazing they can be extraordinary they can be and we can love them to bits but it never reaches that makam of Allah and his messenger so topics like this why this has become a concern in the last century or so you know I was saying in my in my patreon Meetup

that this is quite an anomaly this discussion is quite an anomaly it's not it doesn't really fit in with um be it's it's quite incongruent with with the fitral of the Muslim world but for some reason you see it's not that these ahadis haven't existed they've existed since they've been documented for almost 1200 years but you will find that people

whether they spoke about the topic per se they weren't really um content with this notion and even though certain elements within society when they try maybe they are more literal and they are more um out there with dog more dogmatic even they historically would not have they would have found great turbulence with this notion but maybe they didn't

critique it publicly maybe they didn't speak about it maybe maybe some of them did accept it at a theoretical level but not in any real world sense and they certainly didn't beat any drums about it but other issues sure people have been you know it's they may be more textualists more literalists more dogmatists more and people who are less so and they've been going on about it like there hasn't been nobody has ever discussed this issue in a single reseller in the whole of Islam

but for some reason now this could flip both ways you see one way that some people flip it is they say well oh it's only in the 20th century the modernists of the Muslims found a problem with this and therefore now it's become an issue and that's one way of looking at it the other way is that actually in the 20th century with the rise of modernity and with the rise of um just the Western Powers the way they are

in the world and the threat that posed on Islam through colonialism some Scholars some factions within certain groups amongst the whole baggage of what they challenge the West with in saying we don't care what you say we have our own way of life we have a witches absolutely on point we do have a way of life now they for some reason dragged this into there maybe maybe it was because the colonialists got hold of this material and thought ah this is rather embarrassing let's see what they say

about this but for some reason certain dogmatic people Double Down on this and then they taught it to their students to and then certain just one or two regions of the world of the Muslim World especially uh Saudi in the last few decades and unfortunately some part of the subcontinent as well they reinforce this with all their students who reinforced it with all as teachers with all their students who reinforced it with the art who reinforced it and

they hammered on and beat the drum so loud about this that now it's in it's a household issue you go online you type this up in Google in Arabic and okay now you might find a few uh all them are challenging but you will just find the same repetitive five or six names of certain uh recently past Scholars mainly from Saudi Arabia and and surrounding and and this has just been so

excessively pumped into the ummah that people have just accepted it now you have to understand when this Masala rose up in the last two decades in all honesty people don't know how to handle it they don't know so somebody may have asked like let me give you an example somebody may have asked um

you know a decade or two ago they may have asked uh sure I don't know name them any Western scholar they may have asked they may have asked um anyone they could have got hold of people lost I remember being asked this question and it caught me of if I go back about 12 years I wasn't sure because people they haven't looked into it at that depth and they weary because this tradition of ours is has a sanctity to it so people don't want to just say something without you

know they don't want to be disrespectful or sacrilegious and in that sense um maybe the the wiser thing to to say was just look well people have said things like this I don't know and I think there is a very old video of sheikhan's use of saying something like that as well that is he's saying well you know people have said this but you know uh it doesn't and as if there's some he's some leeway and then he's just saying look let's not make these things into an issue let's not tell and that would be a natural reaction because a person hasn't gone in depth

and they're also weary to challenge an entire tradition like they don't know they don't want to just put their neck out on a limb I'll just go out on a limb or put their neck out and and be totally wrong for example so yeah so and in the interim certain people have now made it the like you know I was being told in the patreon meeting that look meet up that this is now a litmus test for many people that oh do you use certain Muslims or challenge other Muslims do you believe in the age of Aisha Hadid and it puts people at a vary between a rock and a hard place they don't know what

so this is imperative that we understand this the age of Aisha Hadith in bukhari is incorrect it is inaccurate and it is a mistake it is not the first mistake in sahil bukhari but it is a mistake it is not that's not to say sahil bukhari now is an amazing amazing effort of this ummah you know it

is it is a testimony to the human effort and the Muslim endeavor wow to compile seven thousand six hundred or any seven and a half to eight thousand Hadith in such a way that supersedes all of your contemporaries did it is a testimony to his legacy may Allah bless his afterlife you know he was an individual that

dedicated his life to Islam it is an amazing it is a you know a beautiful attempt uh to preserve the Sunnah and the Hadith of the prophet sallallahu but it is a human effort every book other than the Quran is a human book it will always have some room for improvement always there is not a book on Earth

that does not have room for improvement and If you deny that in many ways you are unintentionally rivaling something onto the book of Allah you are placing a nidden a partner a a match

so we have to understand that that by just by saying look okay here there is a mistake it doesn't mean that sahil bukhari is suddenly lost all its value it's become debased it's become you know we must throw it away we no no absolutely the opposite in fact that is what makes it so amazing because it's a human effort you see it's imperfectly perfect as a human Muslim endeavor that is brilliant but our loyalty lies with Allah and his messenger

always now let me tell you something you've this is an issue so the malikia if you go to the the Maliki method the school of mathina in the chapters of Fick where we speak about uh what constitutes actually apostasy and and I'm not saying that this uh unintentionally is constituting a apostasy but I'm showing what many of the Maliki of the past said okay now one of the things they say is that a person or it's deemed a crime in Islam

as in a crime against God and His messenger that to associate any tanakos any Nooks any kind of if you there is any intercourse anything that lowers the status the arm of the prophets that is seen as profane and blasphemous so sure people may do these things unintentionally and I'm not this is not that discussion okay the point is that anything so they say even if certain things

now this incident of the age of Aisha is not accurate but they say even if certain things were historically accurate let's say they give the example of calling the prophet saying that he was a Shepherd oh sorry that he was illiterate now they say things like this or even a shepherd they say that if in your Society these things are deemed undignified by your Earth then you are not allowed to say that about the prophet you can say it in different words but you don't use those words so you could

say that the prophet he he he you wouldn't say if the term in certain societies Shepherd became undignified you would not use it and there's the famous case in alhawil fattawi by asserti where two people get into an argument and one says well you know he calls and he says what do you know you're a shepherd and he says well if I'm a Shepherd then what's wrong with that the prophet was a shepherd and and this gets reported to the local judge and the person who said that is in serious trouble because obviously in the past the malikia with disrespect to the prophet it was the utmost

so he um in that case and we're not here to discuss that case but was that facing a very severe potentially capital punishment but then they do they open up the Masala they investigate it he does get off with a lighter kind of sentence but here writes that look they argue that look we're not you know we don't say these people are careful that they it's apostasy but it's like apostasy okay because if you find anything in your Society undignified it is an unbefitting that you start

describing the prophet with that thing so that's one point that we have to keep in mind secondly and this is a point that many you know you'll you'll have and now I must say Allah be praised many ulama are now coming round to this especially in the indo-park world I've spoken before you did great work may Allah bless his after I mean he was such a sharp scholar anyway but he was such a hard-line scholar you know everybody knew he he said that you know for example the

ladies or the he would say that for believing these things they are careful if they believe these things and it was hard lives a debate I wanted them he he was one of the sharpest and he was called muftiasm by most of the the brelia that he was considered one of the greatest mufti's now obviously denominations will disagree but he unquestionably was one of the the if you had the top ranking names of Scholars in Pakistan whether you disagreed with them or not his name was in it Ahmed Assad he actually says yes Assad but it's said often as Assad

no may Allah bless his afterlife in his final years he took a turn towards Unity and he went and met many leading Solomon many leading theobandi olama mawlana ilyasab he met many others as in a personal friendly visit and made videos that we should have unity and one of the things he led on was this age of ice as well and since him you've also got now you've got um

who's also a big debater in Pakistan he's got videos on YouTube about the age of Aisha you've got now you're getting a few that are coming round and they're challenging other people saying this is unacceptable so but it's interesting in Allah said one of his videos like he highlights look and this is a valid point that if the age of Aisha was six and nine and the prophet did this then by default this action would be class de Sunnah

and if it is a Sunnah then we dare you to do it you would never do it you a person would be disgusted and this was his point where Allama says that look he says foreign he said I challenge you he said if one of your because they will have beef Subs he said

one of your bees marry your if you if the E came and somebody proposed for your six-year-old or nine-year-old daughter he said you would be disgusted then he says if you find this disgusting for you how dare you attribute this to the best of creation Salaam

Karo some dignity if somebody be honest if somebody told you let's say somebody told you that your dad let's say your dad is 50 years old or let's say he when he was 50 if he's older than that now somebody told you when your dad was 50 he went and proposed for a eight nine-year-old girl but let's say he got rejected let's say you came to find this out you would hang your head in shame

you'd be like yeah what the hell I'll be if you find this so embarrassing for you because your dad did it let's say how dare you attribute this out of your just naivety to hey how dare you out of just some like just for a moment take off the dogmatic blinkers have some loyalty stand up for the prophet

now have some about you it doesn't matter if the ulama have said this there are ulama that have challenged it but it's all just stay silent don't comment on it but just think about these things okay now it is a true Point said because he highlights that look every action there are many actions that we get so for example you we have in many books of Hadith the companions would follow up on many of the natural actions of the

prophet asunna and we have many rewired of Abdullah abnormal doing this of Earthman uh if not afan or the law on doing this other companions doing it for example this is a Hadith intermediate uh if not Omar is going on a horse and he kind of blows his head and say why did you lower your head and he says you know they say well there's no Branch there he says yeah but once I was riding with the prophet and there was a branch here and the prophet lowered he said so I lower my head

that now there's a narration of uthman or the Allah that he he does one then he smiles and then he says to the person do you know why I smiled guy says no he says I was with the prophet once he did what do and then he smiled I did it because the prophet did it asunna now you may say this is a Sunnah of adiya not one companion practiced that ever and you yourself would never practice it and you would actually be embarrassed

if somebody tried to practice it so we must be really ten times more careful and I get it people are they are in the um you know they've got their blinkers on and they're scared like they don't want to go against their group they don't want to be called oh my God you challenged the Hadith or you challenged in but look have some courage allies with you you know don't be this for once just stand up for the honor of

the prophet that enough it's okay we're not being disrespectful to Imam bukhari Imam buhari himself knew he was a human being his book is amazing it is excellent It's extraordinary but like every human book it has room for improvement it is

so these were certain things that it is a valid point that would you consider this and the truth is you wouldn't I wanted to just share that and also it isn't oh when I had this discussion with my patreons they said look could you share some of the quotes that you're saying and I said look I will share them so I did bring some of them up and I will bring them up you see the other there are many arguments that are massively problematic about the age of Aisha being that young anybody that

looks at this understands that there's a problem let me begin with a simple point people the people often celebrate based on IBN is hacks Sarah is that not true it's the oldest Sirah written and it's the one that is the most circulated what does ibrahisham say this is interesting apart from not mentioning any of this stuff she doesn't but what does what does he say

foreign hey he places Aisha under the category of a server so you know the verse of the Quran it's first 100 that those who came to Islam first he gives a list taking it from ibnes haq he says ibnes haq and then he endorses it from the early people within Islam the first to embrace Islam ever

ever so he begins with and then he goes on and he'll mention Abu Bakr and he'll mention and shortly after within a dozen or so names whose name does he mention first mentions asthma who's the elder sister of who's older than her by by what by 10 years

and then he mentions Aisha mentions Aisha even ishaq mentions Aisha a Swahili in his Syrah unov mentions Aisha from the mahajiri naval ansar from al-andalus how can she be let's let's go with this if in the year look if let's say in the year so they say by the general narration that the nikah happens after the year of Sorrow

uh so like going into 10 years of Islam so the prophet ten years so three years before the Hijra okay at that stage they're saying the pro Aisha is six or seven six mainly going with six because then if you say seven then you're kind of stuck because the Hijra is three years later and then she's not ten they're gonna say she's nine so six and nine so if she's six by year 10 yeah the prophets began his message ten years ago she is born only

four whole years after the prophet's mission how can she be the amongst the first people to embrace Islam how could she be amongst the first people what is she embracing Islam as in what as a week old to embrace the Islam she must have must have been at least what like something like six seven at least six even if you pushed it to five she must have been so you wouldn't really say a three-year-old embraced an ideology would you would you I don't know let's say

Americans have their you know Republicans and Democrats would you say oh my three-year-old is is a Republican I mean unless he's saying it as a joke but you wouldn't really say they've embraced the ideology so how could she be from The Sovereign and then what do they say later some of the later people because they have an issue they say oh they must have been mistaken they wrote Aisha's Name by mistake made a mistake here in saying Aisha because we know that couldn't be the case because of the Hadith

yet there is a Hadith in bukhari that um that Aisha says that's in bukhari as well she says this verse when this verse was revealed she says And I memorized it and this was what revealed I think four five years into the prophet's mission

I think four years in or something four or five years in and I think maybe seven years before the Hijra or something now at that stage how is she a journey that memorizes this she's either just born but even let's say you push it forward a few more years let's say it was revealed in seven years after the prophets Mission let's say let's just give it some extra years so she's what two three she she says Akil I was a young girl jeria a young girl that could reason it makes sense when this verse was

revealed she was something probably seven maybe six between six to seven you'd say about to about seven year old six seven they start reasoning they start using the reasoning quite well they're conscious of what they're doing in in a reflective sense not just conscious but in a reflective sense and then the whole age deduction from asthma

just every asthma who is the oldest sister of Aisha she highlights what is highlighted about her is at the age of Hijra she was 27. 27. how does that automatically that puts Aisha at the age of 17.

now all of this why because it's coming down to one narrator Hisham foreign he is the son of Asma so his neph the nephew of Aisha now orwa never heard from Aisha directly or if some say he did he hardly heard anything because he was just a young boy so most of his narrations from Aisha are going to be this somebody missing but then the issue is even if they say he heard some but most of what he narrates

he heard with some intermediary his son Hisham did not hear from him because he was a little boy when he passes away so yet he transmits from his dad as though he's heard from him now there's definitely people missing now I know some people will say yes well he heard from his other family members what his dad used to say and he heard from other people make mistakes

it's not an impeccable transmission and Hesham himself he is highly critiqued by people as well yes other people do accept him they say is fine what does Imam Malik has a problem with him he says when he starts going to Baghdad he starts to add things he starts to alter his chains he starts to Imam Malik does not accept now this is another point and then I'll show you some I'll show you guys some some references and what we'll do is and then hopefully we can just uh wrap this

you see another thing to understand is where does the prophet live his entire lifetime he lives in Makkah and Madina Aisha lives in Makkah and Madina her entire life entire life does any does this rewire emanate from Makkah or medina no it emanates all of the people that are feeding this narration are all Iraqi

and they're taking it from Hisham especially the ones that reach the books like and reach these Muslim and all these books all Iraqi and it all goes back to Hisham now they're going to say oh but there is one two chains that the they provide through ibnish and one to other people those chains who's giving them to you the Iraqis they are just back projected manufactured chains they're just making them up because many students in Medina why doesn't one person one person of Medina

after Hisham and after all these people transmit it in Medina do the people of Madina not know this the people of Makkah not know this that's like there's an incident happened here in Birmingham let's say or it's happened in London or it's happened in New York and minus the the you know nowadays the internet minus the video recordings and all this technology how can it be that everybody that speaks about that issue is from a totally different part of the world but the people from that City two three generations later when the Hadith are being documented nobody there

documents it so the teachers of Imam bukhari that are all madin and nobody ever tells him from the teachers of Imam Muslim nobody ever teachers of Abu dhab or any of these things nobody that is telling this Hadith because it doesn't exist there it all goes back to Iraq so we've got to understand that whatever the reason and it's not about whether there may be a political reason why ibrahisham did this and one sorry Hisham not IBN Hashem that's the the one who wrote the Sera um

one reason may be that the abbasids were trying to break away from the Shia effort because the abbasids were in essence you have to remember that the Abbasid were a Shia um effort and movement and by she I mean a political Shia so they were shihad so they were shiato Ali they are the family of Abbas because that's the shiato Ali you know that's the Shia against

and then you had the Hashem they only call themselves one of our bus afterwards because they find competition so initially they all called themselves when they take over and they get rid of and execute and do all of all of that they set up the Abbasid but the problem is you see have risen on the back of the claim that the family of the prophet now the challenge with that is that yes when they take over and usurp the throne

in Damascus if they go with this cry now of the family of the Prophet then are there people who are more deserving of this Throne than them and the answer is yes the children the fam those people who are The Offspring of Fatima and alien the fatimine are more closer to the prophet than the abbasim because all of them it's like saying you know if if my children but then I've got my brothers my uncles children and and you know my maternal uncle and we've got all these this family this tribe and we're

all fighting for this but when it comes to the point if you now say it's all about let's say me and I'm no longer here then surely my children would be more deserving than let's say my uncle's children because if it's all about me then the people who are more closer to me are more deserving so this is why then they but say that you know we better sever this because otherwise the Halloween and the fat mean are going to start claiming this so they then say this has nothing to do

with them we the buck stops here yes we are harsh mean we go back to Abbas from now on it's all about that this is why they then become the number one persecutors of the Halloween and the fatimine why they stem from the same bani Hashim tribe they weren't burning um but because that was now their number one threat so one political reason is that he becomes when he becomes the caliph he's trying to restore a balance with mainstream Sunni Muslims the majority of

the Muslims he wants a he doesn't want a a shiai narrative and he doesn't want money a narrative so the in between is there any other narrative and yes there was was there any other caliph that existed that even for a short period like let's say 10 years had most of the Muslim World under his rule yes Abdullah

so here leans in on Hisham and he invites him several times to Baghdad and and and by Aid of him is trying to explore this kind of zubairid middle ground with people with sunnis that look I'm not Shia and I'm not here I'm with the masses of the Muslims I'm with the normal everyday Muslims so this is one argument that seems quite

plausible actually because Imam Malik says as well it's only when he starts going to Iraq and he goes on several occasions and he gets sponsored to go to Iraq and and he gets paid handsomely and even he eventually dies in Iraq and who leads his or the caliph Caleb wouldn't just read anybody did the caliph read uh Imam no he's the one who killed Imam most likely died in a Cell poisoned most likely he wasn't just going around praying Scholars janazas it was because he was close to hishan

so and Hisham you see you're only close to Kings when you can benefit Kings you see it's not the Kings aren't interested in the fact that you are just a holy man you know the king wasn't just being buddy buddy with Imam Malik or with the great he needed something it's so that is one explanation another explanation is Hisham was just mistaken many people certain people have said okay certain people in the books of Hadith they write that Hisham at an old age had dementia

so was this something he narrates at that age of dementia but he does this is cited that he has dementia and they call it okay in in Arabic that he becomes confused and doesn't know what he's saying sometimes so this is uh people say he Orton now and I'm going to show you some evidence of this just just in a moment so another explanation is if Hisham did it on purpose people say it's because being slandered by some of the

hard-line extreme Shia because if you remember another reason that disproves the whole age of Aisha is that was engaged right to uh the son of uh so she is engaged and before when the prophet proposes

says she's already engaged she's been engaged for a few years when Abu Bakr goes to double check with the in-laws to be the odd where do they stand with the marriage the mother says we don't want anything to do with her and the quotations that she will convert our son she's an avid believer she's one of the she's one of you Lord she's saying to a worker she's going to convert my son what like a five-year-old a six-year-old is going to convert a

grandma is that is that how it works so this doesn't add up now some of the hard line and I'm not saying Shia today do this they don't necessarily and maybe some very very extremist Shia were non-representative of the majority of the Shia most Shia are whether people believe it or not are in harmony with sunnis and these things unfortunately it's on the peripheries that they happen but you may will get some Hardline factions even today but you you have just as you have extremists

and hard lines in sunnis as well in all groups that they said that Aisha was she was married to and if she wasn't married she was intimately she was sexually intimate with her fiance so that she was having an affair she was a lewd girl she was promiscuous all these things so one response is that Hisham if he manufactured this he did this with the good intention to say she was just pure that's it what are you talking about she was a six and nine but even another point and I'll mention this and this is really interesting um

write that uh that this and this is really fascinating that Hisham has this thing with this phrase nine because what's crazy is Hisham himself you know people have said that he had dementia check this out who is who is his cousin mandir is also the son of zubair otherwise the son of zubaid so they've got the same Grandad like and they've got different moms and stuff as in not related all the way but in this case their cousins paternally

so he marries Fatima Fatima was a great scholar Fatima Benson Hadith now check this out Hesham condemns you know the one Imam Ali condemns as well he condemns him and why does he condemn him because he somebody tells Hisham that do you know IBN Isha claims he transmits hadees from your missus

from Fatima so what does what is hashan's reply Hisham says he's lying he's unreliable why he says to her I married her the same word he uses for Aisha and she is a girl of nine years age

he says and since I married her not a single man ever approached her or saw her she used to stay at home and she used to do this now apart from this being weird that okay you might think well he married her at nine and but that's not the strange part do you know what the strange part is let me try to where did it let me bring it up actually whilst we're um well it's here we are so it's just uh we quickly go through some

of this hi hi welcome back to this poetry is always a delight honestly it gives you so much peace of mind so you can see here this is just a reference to and just pause that on that moment and I'm coming back to that scholar he says

and he would say Hisham was he was somebody that was trustworthy is he had these three long visits to kufa uh and he says and then so he says look he started to change the chains first he would say I heard this from somebody you heard it from him then he would just start saying he'd start dropping some of it and then he would just saying you know you just have to have faith

here so they're citing this from Imam Malik about him but here you've got um those who had a Dementia or and this kind of state of uh delete this kind of delirious State of Mind at a later age which I I would feel is akin to Dementia in our day and age but look

at them so him uh that's we're talking about you can see the name there and both of them both of them had dementia and they changed as well so some people could have it slight like they would get confused and delirious but they would still be okay sometimes he says

saying this now the Habi does say look uh look everybody changes a bit and what do you want any and see the hobby is part of that uh the much later you know the kind of uh he's heavily invested in the Hadith project so you can see he gets offended with this comment and he says so what you know uh you know he says is anybody uh absolutely uh infallible from forgetfulness and so on and he's quite offended but but the main point was okay

citing that that he had uh now you can see here the the top one mentions he says look says a reliable person but he was not somebody who could read well he says he couldn't actually read well he did have however he says

he says he did have several things documented for him but he couldn't read them well himself he says even though he claims to have narrated from IBN Serene he hasn't he's just this people missing in the middle he's just he's just making it look like he's doing that was

he buried in see you want to know how close he was to uh I don't think you can see let me bring this up maybe you can see it there um you can probably see it now there you go right I'll just come back out of it foreign the queen of the abbasids and where she was buried this is where foreign

okay and so you can see this this whole um um let me just fix this back sorry a lot better right okay let's uh so that shows it does it comes back to that political reason Maybe um now here you've got look um

foreign so he's saying that he's he gives the example that there's certain people they would always be the moment Hisham would

say oh my father says they would be like acha because they would see as like oh this is going to be fun because he would often alter it and they gave the example of the Hadith is not a Hadith that goes back to the prophet but his sham claims it goes back to the prophet whereas his own and he transmits it from his father but his own father would say that would not say stop short of saying this is actually from the prophet but when it came to Isham saying my father said he would say oh this goes to the prophet so this is an example okay and this is you've got these great Scholars of Hadith

saying this now now check this this comes back to the point that I've cited for you that you've got here so this is the story of IBN is so you can see these great Scholars of Hadith have in this discussion that Hisham is asked about ibnes Hark and he says

he says I married her when she was moved in with her when she was nine years old not a human saw her after that until she reached God so I don't know what it's hard even his heart is saying he's lying this is the so you've got this being transmitted okay now what's fascinating is you see and this is now in you'll get this in um uh you'll get this in several um I believe in as well but you'll get it

in uh as well of um so you'll get this now now read this about Fatima bintelmonter so let's go back actually he is transmitting that she's a turbo yeah she's reliable she's a scholar from Hadith and what does Hisham used to say about her she's older than me 13 years older than me she's his own wife is speaking about how could have he moved in with her when she was nine he himself wasn't even born

he was to be born four years later this is himself his sham stating he would say that she is older than me this is what he used to say that his wife and it was a known thing she was older than him by the way this is known some people have said she was only 11 years older than him some have said it was uh 13 in this narration he himself is saying she was 13 years older than him and this is what people knew she was over a decade older than him at the very least he himself at a later stage is saying

how can ibnes hark have transmitted from her I married her when she was only nine and he uses the same word in phraseology nine now this is why certain people like I mentioned um uh they said that look and that he clearly had at an old age it messed up he started losing his his memory started confusing things he had a form of dementia an onset of dementia coming on so this is the person who is transmitting this this very same

narration okay that you've got the that this very same narration that his wife who people know is older than him by the way his cousin Fatima is older than him she was born before him and she was a scholar of Hadith and she was arguably anything between 11 to 13 years older than him he himself is saying in these narrations in these books of Hadith um when you go back he himself is saying that she ibna ishak is a liar how can he transmit from what I married

her when she's only nine at nine he was still himself something like -4 in non-existence I mean that's crazy but look people make mistakes that's not the issue the issue is not people making mistakes issue is over the transmission from his shop people have naively may Allah guide them and forgive them and and bring them to to to Enlightenment and guidance they have allowed to throw the honor of

the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam under the bus Safeguard this this Axiom this rule that Hesham is a reliable narrator may be generally speaking reliable but you can see the blunders he's making himself in life sure maybe he you know like they said he got confused later on in life maybe he did know what he was doing and he did it to combat a the this extreme Shia slander at the time maybe it was to one of the reasons he

starts transmitting a lot from Aisha is to help the political backdrop in creating a more neutral narrative not having this having a middle ground so and his friendship with abujah but whatever the reason one thing for sure that the age of Aisha was certainly not nine and six now that and what I'll do just to wrap up I'll share these two uh uh narrations as well which are definitely very interesting

this is from tabari where uh he when speaking about a worker uh Imam he mentioned had two wives now and he mentions look what is then he goes on who is the mother of Aisha and then he goes on to say look for and then he had four children from them foreign

they were all born when in what Islam it is pre-islam is they were all born he remember he's the first person to embrace Islam one of the first oh uh our workaries if all four of his children are born he's mentioned here look foreign

before Islam had even come which adds up to Aisha being Minnesota because if she was already born a few years by the time Islam comes she's at least five six and that's still a person that yeah they could say I am something even if it doesn't mean much at that stage but they are from the early people to be a part of something with Consciousness not just like a toddler who by the way she couldn't even be a toddler by this argument she had to be born so many years after the event of Islam

so this and this is in this is by Toby so you can see that this hasn't been a blanket statement the way people uh you know claim it and and this is also interesting brings this narration there is a disagreement on the age of Fatima but he brings this is one year after into prophethood he says

foreign and she is younger than Aisha by how many five years does that not make sense it adds up with everything else by that narration that she and Aisha is 10 years younger than asthma who Asma at the time of migration when it came to uh the Hijra right just before so she is if she's going to be because remember they migrate early now

she is going to be uh 27 Aisha will be 17 and when she marries she's probably 19 or 20 to the prophet sallallahu now that fits in with everything so we must this is from the evidence and this is why it's important to always have the voice of reason you must and anything to do with the honor of the Prophet salallahu I mean we've got so much evidence but even if you didn't you are not allowed like we don't do that we do not compromise the honor over just oh a person one person said

something you know we don't know whether we remembered or forgot I mean is making a mistake about his own wife he's saying he married his wife when she was nine she happens to be 13 years older than him if he can do that about his own wife because we know he's not transmitting these Hadith in Madina about the age of Aisha because if it's in Medina then it would be the madinian students who transmit this from it who's transmitting from him the age of Aisha the Iraqi students so it's towards the latter part of his life that he's transmitted nobody

in Medina is transmitting this from from him so if you say well so he's obviously teaching this narration at a later part of his life when he's in Iraq so if he's making mistakes there anyway and has an onset of let's say an early onset of dementia or he's mixing up his words or is in a confused state or whatever the reason whether he's mistaken or whether it's he knows what he's doing the point is it is incongruent with the overall teachings of Islam the sentiment and the spirit of Islam and the evidences when we dissect them people I

just want to share that with you guys um I hope it's of some benefit Allah keep you all blessed I really um won't I will have to call it a wrap tonight I am uh for people who are in the Midlands or in the UK or in England I will be doing a talk on the role of reason at Warwick uni this Friday so it's very short notice so technically it's now already Thursday here so it's tomorrow um but Friday 6 p.m I have shared it on my story it's on my insta page you would have to with with them not

with me you would have I mean it's a free entry but you would have to just register with them to enter to go this so if you want to do that if you are available and you want to pop down I'll see you guys there um you know I'm looking forward to to seeing people and just and the talk there is all about the role of Reason in Islam so it's just to it really complements this whole thing and it may uh this is an aspect that is emphasized in the role of reason as well other than that people I hope you're all well if you want to reach out to me you can drop me an insta uh grab message if

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okay this is not sectarianism this is not even the people who are pushing this age of Aisha the Muslims were pushing it as young honestly they have you know what happened they've they've found themselves in a position where they're kind of stuck and I feel that they now the momentum has avalanched and they're too far gone so my humble request is this is not about winning or losing or backtracking or you know it's not about

the ego honestly I I would say that I like I think you know when I think of myself and the way I've sometimes things I've said I've behaved I've I think it's a so foolish and so like I am embarrassed sometimes honestly of like mice and I think I there's so many mistakes I've made wallahi so many and I think at times now I think to myself was it the ego what was it we're all human but this is something by Allied is not a mistake

this is how it was it's not about sectarianism it's not about groups just for a moment just block out the noise of everyone and just think about this as a concept and the honor of the prophet sallallahu that's all ah bless your people