Trust The Process | Meaning With MALM #25

all right whoa let's bring this forward let me just check oh we live allahu akbar all right so first and foremost people just gonna do um a quick sound check make sure the sound is coming through fine just one moment now now let me do a sound check just have to adjust those settings again sound is good

for so i'm just taking a look yep it says loud and clear because i had some people say there is no sound coming through i thought yes so bismillah

all right what a day man what a day and it's i don't know where you guys are but it's been incredibly windy here um and all right i don't you know it gets to wednesday now and all of a sudden i'll have like ah like i'll have this headache and i'll be like ah what the hell i was perfectly fine where did this headache come from is that a psychosomatic um indicator right so first and foremost let me just

see who we've got here mark as all right all the way from jeddah

uh we've got long live trudeau okay there you go you do an islam alaikum likewise look at that i love the back of faith in america and god in alaska [Laughter] it's it's all in your eye what you read into things people so what is going on right trudeau we've got moby just afraid

moby is that the moby with all the the the the comical posts on facebook or is that a different moby there was somebody that used to post hilarious if that's right so mufti i will be listening along the way whilst i've got connection you go may allah keep you connected

not the caliph but nevertheless all the way from bangladesh you're doing it man you're doing it right so it's me also known as mobini jazz you're doing it moving you're doing it i did used to love some of the humorous posts in the past all right so right people i'm going to bring up today's uh um let me see session on

so whilst i'm bringing that up i'll let you guys uh click like and share and do your normal drill let me just go into the file [Music] right where is it i take it this is it i take it that is it is indeed trust the process people trust it and following on from that as a kind of corollary one could say a conclusion that follows on is bliss is a state of

mind and and i guess you know i was thinking about this trust the process right and this poem came to my mind one of the most epic poems or it definitely has some of the most epic couplets in it of all time in arabic

and it's from pre-islamic arabia and i thought well and this poem is has also been cited by the prophet that's how amazing it is and i'll remind me i'll talk a bit about that as well um so i thought let's introduce yeah you know why not let's introduce

the pre-islamic poet why not bit of a story to do with him and so we can take a look at that insha allah right now look at these people in trusting the process i saw this i thought i have to share it don't be encouraged to make wine you not in that but grapes must be crushed to make wine diamonds form under pressure

olives are pressed to release oil seeds growing darkness whenever you feel crushed under pressure pressed or in darkness you are in a powerful place of transformation trust the process and a very popular off-sited poem on the left-hand side that kaby arsh

is the throne but symbolic of the throne of god he's dominion but here meaning kabhi arshwar at times in the heavens in the cosmos kabhi farsapa at times scattered on the floor allah many way one could say that symbolic of diamonds you know the carbon having to reach us from the cosmos then found scattered in the crust of earth amongst the rocks

that we are disheveled sometimes he's saying at the abode of maybe the beloved or whoever is but at such and such abode and sometimes scattered dishevelled nomadic so

he says i have to thank the melancholy of love the room of love you could say ham as well and hum they say in arabic as well but this problematic or kind of like

he says that neither my day nor my night is an eternity for me that i guess you got to just trust the process keep taking that step keep walking the path so

what is going on let's take a look at some of these comments all right so people asking salaam from jakarta alright live sessions are always the highlight of my week may allah bless you and keep you smiling i mean i dearly appreciate that daniel mahmoud doing it daniel

danny all right tell me why you're doing it mostly you're doing it thank you for all that you're inspiring future generations bringing reason back to religion allah may the lord forgive me may he forgive me it is only the lord who can do that i guess it is um it's interesting the whole you see we're in a day and age and in fact today's lesson is centered on that the reason being is i was asked

by actually just in this one week two people and one at some elaborate detail i was having a perspective session and in it i was asked about this verse and we're alive speaking of gratitude and this about punishment and this is about reward and the person asked a question about look how did you know sure but this you know what does this not just give us an image of god that is threatening us and blackmailing us and so on and as i explained and we went through our perspective session i

thought you know what let's share this during the week with the rest of you as well because we are in an age now where people are pondering and wondering these kind of things and they and they need we all need assistance in navigating through these tumultuous kind of waters so right okay so we'll we'll get to that

um right okay you've got somebody worried about nikah look at this the questions huh the questions one could ask that what are what are the priorities that people have all right i think i missed a super chat let me go to the super chat say the f shock much love for the super chat music has a natural existence classical rags are seen as notes coming directly from the divine is music therefore an emanation of god

i would word it differently i would say i would agree with music with those people who say music is what nourishes the soul you see in many ways i would i would say and agree that in certain melody or in certain vibrational frequencies

one will encounter intimations of the divine so it is and when we look at the cosmos right from you know you you use you zoom right out and you zoom right in okay so even as you zoom out you can go onto youtube and you can type in things like the earth's frequency and the kind of vibrational frequency the sound that it gives off and people arguably

have something they call a god frequency and they have all they give them all kinds of names but there is a certain kind of vibrational energy that can't be ignored and you zoom right in arguably that right into the very core building blocks of reality you see allah says that you've zoomed out into the cosmos

you go right into everything as you know it and when you go at a subatomic and a quark level and you're going arguably deeper one explanation is that it is simply a vibration of some form of energy that by vibrating is giving rise to existence and reality so it's fascinating and i think it's undeniable um so

that's yeah and it's amazing that even when the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam in the hadith is describing the you know receiving divine revelation the experience is described as in some ways resonance with resonance of musicality and instruments that the the

ringing of a bell the vibrational frequency and tremors that that causes and that's in sahil buhari so you've got i it's undeniable and so many people in the past would heal through therapy and so sorry through music therapy and you had what they call the maristans which were the classical muslim medieval hospitals and there were certain amongst them that

practiced musical therapy so they um cured people with that and and that goes right back to the greek tradition with plato speaking about some music which heals and some music which could be dangerous he argues so yeah and then there are some people who feel that music is haram and [Music] you know if that's and that's a view they follow these scholars who say that they have some evidence to say that from some textual evidence

um both sides have very clear evidences so people who feel it's haram don't listen to it you know it's um i that my advice would be that people who you know this isn't about converting people or trying to win people over to an argument what this simply is is stating that this is for those people who follow that perspective other people who feel that now music is haram for me um

in my world view this is from the devil let's say then sure but you know i do find it strange i can't remember now i don't really watch much um islamic lectures by people and stuff not saying that in a kind of

um self-conceited or arrogant way i'm just saying because often it's i just i don't know maybe i don't find them as um refreshing as i would seek so and i do listen to occasionally different people so maybe some in arabic and um and i'll listen to certain people unquestionably occasionally if i get a chance i will listen to uh jeff some of javedramdisab stuff and other peoples as well but i can't remember there was some

somebody sent me a clip and in it there was um this it was i can't remember it starts and there's some music in the background not that this is an issue for me but and those people who find it fine but it began with some music in the background and then it said that like as a disclaimer that the music there were no instruments used to produce this um whatever it was this beat um but the this was produced through what

do we call it i've forgotten now but it was produced through just um i've forgotten the term for it the musical term when somebody just produces it with their mouth so they kind of like not beat boxing but kind of just they're making the instrumental sounds just through their mouth not using an instrument and it was very good it seemed very digital i mean i was like oh okay that wow that's impressive uh so one side of me was like oh okay that seemed really instrumental and seemed but the other side of me was then

okay so you see so that's fine then but is this not in many ways so if it serves the same purpose one question would be that what does god have against strings and what does god have against simple you know exercises of i don't know you know whether it's going to be pressing or blowing into a flute or um you see if because if you believe you see to me either you believe that

music is not haram and then that's fine you know you to you you are with those who are that have written that music is not haram fair enough you know whether people think you're right or wrong but you're with those ulaman they and they have this basis in islam for that so there's a hadith for example the prophet sallallahu alaihi heard music you didn't condemn it there's uh many chaukanyas an entire category complete of many of the seller for listening to music having um many of their servants perform musical instruments for them

and this coming right down through the schools of um including the different methods and you have maliki and different people highlighting and there's a diverse view of course but okay so you have these olama that say that it's not haram including shokani at the end by the way just concludes it's not haram so sure so you've got these people ibn has seen all these great scholars or you've got the view that it is haram so you feel it's haram okay fine you know i respect that and that's your devotion to god

but then if you're going to say ah but i'm gonna listen to music and i'm gonna condemn music but this music simulation is okay because i've kind of beat the system and made it using digital or using my mouth i've managed to em you know simulate musical echoes and and so as to almost trick people even though you're not trying to trick but so as to trick someone that they couldn't actually tell

then you see the question is well what is it that god was actually prohibiting in that perspective was he prohibiting simply stroking a string was that what he was prohibiting was he simply prohibiting blowing into a flute the actual act of you know of aspiration and exhaling is that what god was what is it that he was actually after because if the sharia has it it has objectives and this is why imam malik was so against this passionately this

heal because he said this is like then infantilizing god like it's like you're trying to trick god like you're saying ah you know you don't want me to do this so i'm gonna do it like this so either you just don't believe it's haram so you say look fine you know god doesn't surely this is not what god means and he had other objectives and this is what those objectives are and you know god doesn't have anything since there is vibration in existence in fact existence only exists because of vibrational frequency otherwise we couldn't exist so why would god have anything against that and fine you're in

that camp or you're against it and you just declare it haram and but i don't see the you see trying to a loophole modus operandi is it's it's very um i i don't know to me and people may be fine with it but this is where why imam malik and these people they was they saw this as infantilizing god that you're treating god like a child like you think you can trick him so yeah that's my thoughts on it but may allah make it easier i get it people are through going through their

own journeys but i think at time one needs to introspect and look within and think that hmm you know how is my relationship and what am i doing all right so right sorry i think i've missed a few comments here uh i mean

why does allah mention death before life in surah allah all right good question hmm yeah i guess there's many ways to look at this

one way is that i suppose from a standard viewpoint of islam once we come out of non-existence i guess we never truly ever return to it so moat for us now is only

it's like a doorway it's not a waiting room in fact attributed to said abu bakr al-dilan is the poem that um [Music] that death is a door everyone shall go through and the verse in the quran that the self will now only taste death it in many ways we've kind of emerged

forever one could argue from non-existence so in that way non-existence would precede existence because if death by extraction is non-existence and life is its very opposite then

and so yeah that makes allahu alam but yeah um let me just see digital audio workshops right so workstation okay is that what we call the other thing

guess it's a tough oh no this is it what is it acapella acapella don't know how to i'm probably that's probably the spanish acapella is or maybe that is how we say i don't know spanish the double l is a y uh so yeah that's it that's the um the term so it's to just to kind of produce musical sounds very effectively but without any instruments right so

taste of death is an interesting concept yeah it is it's an incredibly uh frightening one as well because i i take it look it's the unknown isn't it and it frightens people yeah and i think in many ways there's a um

see it's kind of like the fear of being still you know that ultimate stillness frightens us because life at a very fundamental level is movement and dynamism so if there's no dynamics there is no life and movement necessitates life okay so or sorry life necessitates movement and so it's kind of counterpart is then an ultimate stillness and in many ways this is what freud

was also hypothesizing with his pleasure principle and the death principle because he said that you see the pleasure principle is what stirs us up and we're constantly in this this kind of this noise this uh this kind of uh chaotic um this chaos within us and we want it to be still we want to steal it and quieten it down but

for it to be quiet is ultimately the death principle so it's as though a person in many ways is confoundingly between these two that he is you know he's being he's he's trying to fulfill these these desires but at the same time wants to get rid of them but simultaneously doesn't want to get rid of them you see it's not just wanting but wanting to want is

is the important thing sometimes it's not even it's just the desire to want those of you that are familiar with lacanian psychoanalysis lacan this was one of his kind of his his kind of things he expanded on that you it's it's this desire that you that kind of drives us and it's it's not even sometimes the object the object could be something very harmful you see we could desire something that

we don't like and that's often the at the ground of many addictions gambling um many kind of addictions drugs self-harm people they can be driven to pursue something addictively that they don't actually like in fact they may dislike it strongly but they still because that's how the pathways work there is a distinction between the the the wanting of something and the

liking of something and at times they they overlap and this is what lacan meant by he used the term jurisas and this was often difficult to translate into um into english because they kind of said pleasure but it wasn't see pleasure doesn't quite because pleasure is often liked but this wasn't about that and and i always thought that you know the arabic way to translate it would be easier that shawwa

that there is a kind of see this desire to that you will then pursue because it's a want but it doesn't have to be something that is liked and there's been studies by the way so they've had um very famous studies where they'll get rats or mice and program them with certain receptors into their brain to and associate the stimulus of getting a shock like when they when they touch this thing this rod let's say they get a shock but it triggers that dopaminergic

pathway to to kind of want so they keep doing it and some till death because they just want that kick they don't it's you see it's past that point of obviously in them i mean rats are not rationalizing it anyway but even humans it's beyond that rationality then it's now you know it's that ah that dopaminergic kick that they it doesn't matter it's it's it's you know it's shocking as a mechanism because in many ways this is that

that kind of the nufs having down spiraled but let's move on right okay uh mufti i fantasize living fantasize living a rich wealthy material life but i feel like in today's capitalist system one must bring down others poor to become rich [Laughter]

that this is how fate has dictated itself the calamities of one people are the benefits of another you see it's how the how the world kind of rolls if you like it but yeah um much love for the super super keep up the good work shukran may allah bless you um yes i don't i'm not sure i agree so much with that i see saracen but um

i'm not so sure i agree with that [Music] in saying that one can only become rich by exploiting people i don't think so i think one can become rich it's not actually that difficult to to generate multiple streams of income it does take you know some thinking and a bit of energy out the box but it's not actually and i don't believe that they are necessarily exploitative in fact most startups today if you just go

online and watch people's startups very hot i mean i think it'd be very difficult to point out exploitative um startups people are just you know they just i think in many ways as the world is expanding with people and and more and more of the the the haves or let's say expanding people with money to spend it's self-feeding the economy so if you so for example if you have something to sell

there will be somebody that wants to buy it it's as simple as that and one question could have been well how do you get in touch with these people well today for that there's the internet so and i think nfts are a very good uh case study example to show that to show to demonstrate and instantiate that if you have something to sell somebody somewhere wants to buy it as crazy as that sounds i mean who the hell would have believed that i think as a case study nfts

it don't get me wrong it's hyper inflated but i you could for example be somebody could go to alibaba or some of these other express websites buy a bunch of stuff really cheap have them uh shipped to amazon have amazon distribute them take a cut that could be something they could be online they could be i don't know typing they could be doing other things they could be

right so people could be doing so many this you see if you have something you can provide there will be somebody that wants it if you can offer your time somebody will want your time this everything i mean you can offer a skill you can offer any there it's just thinking that's all i don't believe it's exploitative at all i think that yes there are people who exploit but i don't feel most startups for example are exploitative

um uh what's going on uh is it addiction when there's harm and good habit if it brings good or is that too reductive um sure i mean i i don't think i mean this you know a rose by any other name would still smell as sweet

you know if it's a positive addiction like going to the gym is an addiction but it's a positive one so i don't think there's anything wrong in that okay all right okay what's this about cryptocurrency going on

let's see get binance card um i don't think binance are not issuing their card to the uk though you know they've had a fallout with the uk but other places do crypto.com there's a card amongst other places crypto.com has a nice metallic card actually oh i would have shown it to you it's downstairs but it's uh they yeah bitcoin is not legalized but you can't use it um i don't know i think people would accept bitcoin as well it's obviously not i think venezuela has

accepted it as legal tender i believe but um even though it's not traditional legal tender but you can clearly buy with cryptocurrency clearly you can buy with it you can buy so many places so for example online you can buy cards you can but which then so you could buy amazon tesco whatever you know you could buy these cards from the actual exchanges like binance and you can use them uh you can actually use the actual card and and there are people who would accept actual bitcoin i'm sure you know if i if i was selling something and

somebody offered me bitcoin i would take it definitely so like that there's many people that would accept that as well but it is in its infancy let's move on right oh you know what i didn't cover this last week and it's still here so why not check this out this is john ilia

in see none of them seem to have so what he's saying is that sal which is a year or even a moment that none of these seem to have like whether it's going to be folded or like meaning that time you see and his first couplet is is is quite hmm it's it's setting a landscape and then the second one is an absolute paradox

he says what on earth is even saying here that he begins by highlighting that time that you can't really you can't grasp it you can't manipulate it you can't you know in many ways it's kind of independent of you

but yet you're still a prisoner of it and it is something that is experienced subjectively sometimes when you're waiting for something a few minutes feel like hours and you could be having the time of your life and hours feel like minutes and when one looks back to the past it feels like it was only yesterday let's say 10 years ago 15 years ago

foreign that i knocked on this door i guess one could say the door of existence the door of self-knowledge the door of reality i knocked on this too many hood him saying himself that he that i knocked on i got to this door this existential door i knocked on it

and it was just a a young boy who is me that opened the door what does that even mean that when we find maybe when one comes face to face with existential reality and he arrives at this doorway because there's something behind a door only to find that maybe

it was you all along but maybe in in a simpler happier way free from the sorrows of and complexity of existence a child yet you

maybe in some ways you it has been inseparable from you and you have been inseparable from it there's so much that what this could mean and maybe means nothing it's like what does he even mean incredibly profound

yeah i i saw that and i thought whoa let me share that and sometimes it's poetry can do that to people [Laughter] ah all right so let's take a look uh

all right all right what is going on unless chronism right i don't know right so actually let me bring up you know if i can that is let me try to find um there was um [Music]

all right um i did have i had a video somebody had sent a video hmm where is it i put it in here in the picture section or did i um i found somebody had sent me a video of uh one of my teachers

and i thought you know what i have to share this with you guys where did i put it um okay so i think this is it let's see i don't know if you guys can hear it because right i take it you should be able to can i hear it

i don't think i can hear it one second let me just go into audio uh right where is it so um just

one second let's try to connect see if i can connect to that um okay i think that's connected let me come back this was my by the way

so we'll just come to his message this is he was uh incredibly passionate about mantic about logic so he had the name or sometimes abdullah hazari he was from a section a part of pakistan hazara and he taught her sahih muslim okay and he was

i have to say he left an indelible mark in our honest all every single person who took his class can never forget him i would read sahih muslim in his class and it's he was just so animated and i'll speak about him in a moment and let's go this was just a short clip somebody sent it uh the other day and he's just speaking saying a general message

to talking about

allah let me tell you something about afterlab and pizza you know honestly this man is an absolute legend [Laughter] he's one of these people that in his class it would be for many people a potential nightmare okay going through his class but once they've been through it they it will be the most you know reminiscent it will be what they will when whenever they look back in nostalgia they'll always see his class he was so

animated so um just full of life and so he he was funny he was uh i mean he i don't know if he was trying to be funny but he was uh hilarious at times he was so passionate so passionate and he had like um you know he spoke his mind like he wasn't concerned about political correctness he wasn't concerned about filters he's just no filter you know back then it was a different day and age back then you know we're talking like the early 2000s so about 20 years ago we're talking so

and he looks just as young honestly he looks just as young so this is exactly what he looked like back then he had that kind of orangey can then i i don't know now it seems to be less orange but he had like more of an orangey beard than the mendi style i need to wear that hat used to sit there and he'd go here baba that was his kind of catchphrase and he would just start the class and he had these strange and he would begin in arabic and and he wanted you to memorize the arabic

that he said it verbatim so if he's going to say um he read sahih muslim let's say i read the text now he would then begin his commentary he'd say it's a let's hypothetically say so let's say speaking like this is

telling you all these people disagreed and he said this and malik said this and sophiana thought he said this and and you're just listening and then he would want you to the next day repeat it to him but not just the content verbatim so if he said and sophian you have to say and sophia if he said however ishaq you have to say however it's it was like what he was crazy honestly i remember he he was once teaching his uh his class

and he would do it in arabic so he's going speaking away speaking away and you know our class so so the way it worked is you had your island course which was to become a scholar you studied the books and the foreigners section was segregated it was separate to the national the home section and the final year where you study the major books of hadith was combined so it was the foreigners and the home students all together in the larger so as an example in our foreign section in our class were probably about 10 12 students that's it when you come to the foreign section we

were like 85 students okay so you can imagine every you know we it was us and then all of the the home students some of them the arabic was often weak because the foreigners our section was taught entirely in arabic because people from all over the world some people from the uk america europe africa middle east you know asia's in thailand indonesia malaysia so the way it worked was they would just teach in arabic now for the the home students what they called

the mulkey shawba they would teach them in urdu so when it came to hadith initially these teachers began all teaching in arabic but it was too difficult for a lot of the local students so they couldn't kind of grasp it because they weren't used to that but some of the teachers so a lot of the teachers kind of stopped doing it and some of them continued and uh abdullah he continued so he would do a certain amount in arabic and then he'd do the rest in order to explain it so he was once [Laughter]

he was teaching away and he's saying in arabic a little some of the guys are just lost and he goes he goes

what are you thinking that he's trying to impress us with this arabic [Laughter] like you're trying to he's trying to like you know really overdo it with because this is what you're thinking he goes well he goes if i don't try to impress you with my arabic he goes

and his lessons were always so full of energy honestly amazing stuff and when he would turn oh my god he would really tear into some of the students as well really rip into them and this is what i mean he had like no filter and it was like she would just rinse them if you want to if you if he was going to rinse this is obviously in a non-polit you know non-political correctness era and it was just hilarious honestly it was something else and you you couldn't in a way you couldn't get enough of his class

and i remember once he was uh he was teaching his class he was teaching sahih muslim and he's very he was very kind of like a man's mind very kind of you know he wasn't soft or uh didn't have that tender side to him on display at least and i remember once he was um teaching and he begins and he starts the the math he would call it you know the allocation of the schools of thought that imam malik said this and he said this and he replied to this chapter heading with

this and he and he starts doing taswing he goes yeah baba he goes he goes that that we had loads of friends and some of them like when we were young went off and became engineers and some became maybe professionals and doctors and some businessman and some travel to saudi and some did all sorts

and then he says he kind of looks at the book sahih muslim yeah he said it's an uncrowned kingship allah honestly it was the man was fire in his uh he was amazing and i used to i used to love having this kind of like sometimes we all did this little banter you could slightly provoke him he had to be he had to be weary because he would

really it was like it would be like thunderbolts coming down at you and so yeah amazing stuff and he would do all these things like uh he'd put people on the spot i remember he would sometimes because you had to be paying attention in his class so he'd be he'd like sit up he'd have this kind of like a like a raised kind of platform that he would sit on slightly raised and and he would be like whilst somebody like let's say i'm reading the text people are following you meant to be following the lesson so you'd be

kind of looking like this if you saw anybody not looking at the text like looking about somewhere to go hey hello it'd be like [Laughter] say where were you looking it's a and in arabic he would say like you have to so imagine somebody just said i was looking at no no no no he says he would say specify the student that you were looking at

and you'd be like uh huh like let's say i mean this never happened to me ever thank god but he would say specify so so the student would have to specify i'd say like him and then he would be like okay he'll be like ask him why was he looking at you [Laughter] he's such a honestly oh my god it was it was hilarious he just brought this energy to to the

class that he brought it to life yeah it was something honestly something everybody admired him i mean they were absolutely petrified of him in a way in a way but but he really loved his uh and he had this deep profound love for the study of hadith in the sense that it went back that he was teaching something sacred to do with the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam and he would uh often cite like how imam malik

when he sat for hadith he would he would kind of wear fresh clothes and bathe and perfume and he would not be disturbed and and it's not it's not about the those actions but that sentiment and he said that he would never um [Music] miss a single lesson of teaching hadith that no matter what the calamity and on an occasion you know may allah make it easy for him and on an occasion his son died

or his child i believe it was his son this was before our time but he still came into class and read a tiny amount and then went this was his devotion to god by serving a a science that connects him to the prophet of god sallallahu alaihi and it was this devotion you know it spoke volumes you know so so he had that kind of if you want to call it bantal humor

he had that kind of charm he had that you know he was extra animated as a character and he he would kind of like jump up suddenly and he would do all these kind of things but he had this uh deep profound devotion and this is what really was so hard hitting because we you had this side to him and i remember [Laughter] it is a different time you see and i hope but in pakistan so for example people were allowed to um

people are allowed to be licensed carrying weapons and i'm sure it doesn't now but at that time there was this one time he came to class and his uh his his shirt kami's had got ripped like he was on the motorbike and it kind of ripped his gummies so as he came in he said like he was sitting down he was talking and he said oh look this has got ripped and one of the students was a tailor that used to operate within the school so he said milan i'll get it stitched up for you so he said could you said yes so

he kind of takes this shirt off yeah so as he takes his shirt off he takes this this gun out and he puts it and then he realizes oh my god like what am i doing like everybody's just everybody's like and he goes he goes he goes this karachi

he says karachi has become dangerous and he says a lot of people are snatching motorbikes and if they come to snatch my motorbike he goes i'll give them my motorbike so i'll shoot them right from the back he was honestly a loving uh loving person honestly he you know there was this time he came in once and um and i'll wrap it with this he

he came in once he opened the the dust and he it was a hadith um i think it's if uh mahaden jabal i believe that it's in sahih muslim that that they both that the prophet salallahu and the companion are riding on this camel and the prophet says to my heart that do you know what rights what are the rights of god upon

man upon people and what are the rights that people have upon god and just as the person was about to speak and read like he himself you know uh abdullah monte kisab he was looking at the text and and he just started crying honestly

and he just kind of like held his face and he just just kind of froze up and everybody went pin drop silent in the class and then he just closed it and he couldn't and he just went and we we were like really just kind of cubs marked and we were all just really we we need to find the hadith like why are these was he because

he just began reading and then he kind of went silent reading and the hadith was that they that the right of god is that they acknowledge god that this professing is testifying this embracing and that god's right is that he gives them eternal bliss

and he was so profound wallahi like because he was you know like he was like a man man he was like you know one of those he wasn't and yeah it was um it was something see like i think of it and it was like as if it was only yesterday and it's been maybe some 20 years now but may allah bless him you know some definitely he he kind of really brought it to life for us

yeah but that was abdullah we'll speak more about him maybe another day so yeah let me go to some of the super chats i think i may have missed some all right now ismail akiram much love for the super chat how do you master obstacles like desires lust ego when these are things psychologically and evolutionarily built into us is outside sources only way to affect these things chemical substances no i think these things are um

[Music] all important i think they're all very important you see these things are part and parcel of life you know they wouldn't the world wouldn't work without these things um you know you say desires but how much of the world is how much if you think about it if you break it down do we accomplish simply in pursuit of you know reducibly in pursuit of certain desires

you know somebody's doing all this hard work because i don't know they will want to impress let's say all these men doing it to impress some women and to to and that in and of itself may be you know to people a petty superficial manifestation but it's they're not even thinking about it but they're doing it to or to obtain some i i'm doing this so i could have some ease of life or i could do this let me get all of these things in order to achieve that i need this i need you see these things are actually like the driving

mechanisms to us without them we would be i think for the most part useless so i don't think these things are evil things i remember there was a clip i watched once i can't remember what it was from it was like coming like an instagram clip from some movie i think a middle eastern movie and the way the man is like a young man is saying to his mom that like i don't want to look at you do hijab

and a mom doesn't need to do hijab in front of a child by the way in front of her son by the way but i'm just saying in this clip and that shows the pathological nature of um of some people pathologizing religion to that extent so she says that she kind of moves his hand and says like what's wrong with me and she says that if and she says that if but she kind of follows in a brief conversation with him but if i if this let's say beauty or if it wasn't to

ra i don't resonate with a desire she said then your dad would never have found me attractive and would never ha and you would never have been born you know it's like this this is the cycle of life isn't it we we work the world goes round on these kind of uh desires so i don't think they in and of themselves are evil okay sure people could use them to an a wrong end and that's a different discussion time is monies much love shukran for the

super chat would you do a tour of your bookshelf those books in your old videos were so beautiful can't read arabic so i don't know what they were yes of course i will do that in sheldon i love you know going over things like that yes of course inshallah for raising the um right do unbelievers go to hell how is that mercy why does hell exist i'm questioning my faith does that mean i'm going to hell well

you see in fact today's lesson let's um let's let's answer this alongside with today's lesson of the quran because it ties into into this discussion roofie johnston shukran much love for the super chat dearly appreciate my love bless you um

all right i'm just checking for the super chats before i move on uh muffy any recommendations to build our attention span and develop strong memorization i'm thinking of undertaking a carnival diet like jordan peterson wow okay sure i'm i've i don't know if i've taken undertaken anything of that nature i haven't i find that there is a neuroplasticity that once you start doing something the mind accommodates to it so if you begin

memorizing you get easier and it becomes easier and easier for you so there is a neuroplasticity and it's true that because in in the west now and with the proliferation of information we don't the mass proliferation of information we don't need to memorize as much so people seem to have become weaker in their ability to do so but if you trained yourself you will be able to improve inshallah is life according to islam a test of willpower it's a good question i mean shukran for

the super chat much love um i would say life itself is a test of willpower so regardless of whether one wishes to think is it according to islam or not it is in and of itself inevitably and i think that's a beautiful in indicator to to move to today's topic um

that i was shaytan of regime i want to take a look at this verse just bring that back in surah ibrahim which is okay let me just bring that back for us and surah ibrahim which builds upon some of the questions that you've been asking and i think it's very important to to kind of try to um face and understand and expand and

unwrap some of the meaning in this ayah so verse seven from surah ibrahim in now here as you can see allah is you are being reminded that when your lord proclaimed if you are grateful i will surely increase increase you but if you deny um and the term kuffar is used [Music]

okay so you can see here and we'll come to the second uh verse in a moment that builds on this but just taking a look at that and there's a bit of uh i think with the pasting a bit of the spelling uh has kind of the hamza has moved but it's white okay so somebody asked me that look how is it that allah is saying to if you are grateful i will give you but if you're not grateful i will punish you so why is allah saying that so okay

let's just take a look at this verse and you can use this as a kind of you can use what we take away from here as a kind of resource to to kind of lean in on whenever you're trying to understand other similar verses of the quran

allah allah is saying that okay if you are grateful you will be increased right that if you are ungrateful in the ability that the punishment or my punishment is severe so i said okay let's take a look at this from one perspective you one could say that all this is saying god is saying as the person questioned me that look if you are grateful i will give you

if you are not i'm going to punish you and let's say the punishment is in the this is how allah doesn't say that in this verse he does not say that but that's one way somebody could be looking at this somebody could look at this verse or this this punishment that this fire that's going to come and so on in the afterlife okay but okay let's zero in a bit more you see first of all allah when he's saying it's about ingratitude ungratefulness contrasted with sugar because in arabic kuffar

from one perspective can mean disbelief when contrasted with iman but when contrasted with sugar it means to be ungrateful okay a lie saying that if you are grateful i will increase you and if you are ungrateful then the punishment is severe now let's unwrap that slightly so punishment what is that you see punishment when the term is used what it signifies is suffering because punishment is

is it's a term with an objective for suffering it's to be instrumentalized to attain suffering so okay let's go to the corollary which is suffering okay so suffering is severe okay now let's switch it back to gratitude when a person is grateful one perspective is okay blessings like people are getting things like let's say a person's making more money in the and these things are wonderful or they're getting more uh

amenities and luxuries and that's sure that's wonderful but you can zero it in even further and the real because a lie is saying look i will increase you and you find that gratitude what it births and gives rise to is actually a state of bliss you see you find people who are if we are to in some way

certain studies they have measured people's well-being okay they call it subjective well-being or happiness if you want to call it that it's an elusive term used when when trying to study people but you can to some extent they have these things let's say they call them affectometers and they use different ways to measure a person's subjective well-being so people score now you will find let's say some of the most happiest blissful people are not those who have the most of something

they are people who have a deep gratitude for what they have let me expand on that slightly there was uh years back i went to a lecture by dr oliver sarks and he was showing his research amongst other professors and it was about happiness and what he had examined was taken different case studies and in this particular scenario two people contrasting them from new york manhattan so

he'd uh as a project he had spoken to and then got agreement from this multi-millionaire tycoon to kind of work with him as a little project just to kind of study his life for a week or so and um and just have access and he chose to contrast him with this new york cabbie who was i believe sudanese okay just some cab drive and he randomly chose him by the way and it's incredibly fascinating his finding because he saw that this multi-millionaire who lived in this kind of penthouse

in incredible penthouse suite in manhattan somewhere and he had all these amenities and luxuries and you know you name it he had it flashy clothes lavish lifestyle had these kind of occasional crazy sex manic parties and cocaine and all this kind of stuff and but this person was extremely paranoid and even even in his apartment in his suite he had all these cctv cameras and he and he was often and he would often tell the professor in this kind of short time

they spent he would tell him that um you know that certain people they're trying to to to do him over and this you know he's got to be weary because such and such person you know he's trying to come across as a friend but i know what he's really trying to get to and this person i know what he wants and it's there was no bliss in this person's life this person had you know an incredible amount of wealth luxuries amenities but facilities and he could have bought whatever within reason but he seemed to actually be on the the

opposite of being happy seemed to be quite depressed if not clinically but then definitely depressed paranoid stressed out tense and he contrasts this with this cabbie driver who's also in the same vicinity he'd come over so many years ago he was you know just a taxi driver had a few children a wife and he seemed so happy and he'd always smile and he tell jokes and he would often say that you know as

he meets people he picks them up with the hustle and bustle of new york and he would and he would really enjoy learning about the stories of people sometimes you know making a difference for them you could see people with sometimes sad sometimes happy sometimes somebody's got a new job sometimes somebody's you know on a date and they're so thrilled sometimes and in a way he had a glimpse into these a window into these people's lives and you would enjoy it and you know sometimes you'd get tips and he wasn't he was just kind of financially he was scraping by but he was so grateful that he'd seen a

life of poverty before and he was so grateful to god you see bliss its inherent kind of processor is gratitude what is it that naturally grows with gratitude a state of bliss so you can say well okay

what is the opposite of bliss it's a mental state of torment now either be the adverb you see one way to look at the other is well people are seeing i was this afterlife or fire or corporal you know corporeal like bodily punishments and that's not the worst kind of punishments we know in the 20th 21st century the studies clearly reveal mental torture

is the worst kind of torture you see you could have let's say you have a person who is enslaved he's beaten but he believes in a cause people will happily go to the gallows they will embrace death happily if so long as they believe in it you see you could enslave a person you could break them down but so long as you don't break their mind they are still as free as a bird

the moment the mind breaks down it down spirals it is caught in this turbulence this turmoil you see the more a person drifts away from gratitude whether they have everything in this world perceptibly ostensibly they they have a nice car you know they they've got nice clothes they've got somewhat of a flashy lifestyle

in the azerbaijani it is inevitable whether they attribute this to god or not it's the mechanisms of this very existence as we know it that as you drift away from gratitude you will inevitably find yourself in a state of torment

you see that and you see and allah proclaiming this in the quran for us surah ibrahim verse 7 declaring it like a manifesto la in what will you increase in if you say allah you're grateful it's not the it doesn't have to be the goods it doesn't have to be the toys and the bank balance it's the state

of bliss that a person is increased in and if you refuse to do that to be grateful you inevitably will find yourself in these tormenting waters whether you think you've got everything or not you see

you see so one way yeah people one way of looking at it is people could see this kind of oh well this is only talking about the afterlife or so on or physical tormentor and then you've got this whole kind of this array and you you come to this understanding that will actually and this is the beauty of the quran that when you look at it fresh eyes it will actually you know this is actually just explained the secret to living right here

it's already been proclaimed that there is the secret you have to kind of trust i guess trust the process and i thought that that's so important that it comes back to how we see things see what you are you you have a relationship with the quran when you're reading you have a you see it say you reading it how you're seeing what's being said to you and i thought that second verse just to kind of follow from that sabila yes we've covered that previously that when

a person sets upon he's he takes or he or she takes that step the next step becomes easier allah will things will fall into place the path will unfold before you the process will become easier but one must trust the process so i thought i want to share that with you i hope inshallah light makes it gives you some clarity and some insight at those verses

moment shukran much love for the super chat right so what uh how do we integrate gratitude with the is the way to have gratitude gratitude excellent question gratitude is not about sure i mean on one perspective it could be seen as lip service it's not really lip service it is a sentiment okay it's an emotion that a person is they have some contentment and i tell you how it will you know you want to develop this

i'll tell you some ways that effectively help develop that and that is to to kind of give back to people to help people in a little way tiny thing you know someone some little food here somebody a little child you help them with something some person was in distress to help it doesn't have to be huge spectacular look not everybody can do something so huge and spectacular and that's not being asked these tiny

tiny steps baby steps and it's an emotion it's about compassion that honestly is the secret to gratitude and then a person because when you see in others you become grateful for yourself you think yeah yeah thinking about it what haven't i got you know if because look it if a person is just to kind of just sit and just kind of whine you could whine and moan about anything oh i haven't got this in life oh this failed oh my that

thing collapsed oh my this project went down the hill oh this money got wasted all that relationship got ruined oh this happened oh sure but no even people don't like that kind of a person you know who likes that who likes a whiner and a monan nobody likes that kind of a person because it's annoying and so okay if you want to do that good luck with it but what you're just going to become more and more and more the other way is and this is why i said well when a person takes some steps to help some people it's a mindset you know it's not about

it's not quantity it's about just the quality of it maybe sometime you're going and you see you think yeah let me just let me just help will you see something online and allow it to kind of pluck at the emotions for compassion to evoke compassion so you think yeah you know subhanallah you take a moment and you just think you know alhamdulillah just and you just say to us and i'll tell you another secret always say positive things

never say negative things if you are somebody that says negative things stop now instantly if somebody asks you how are you say alhamdulillah i'm great fantastic things are amazing a lot be praised why not you know well they are relatively you could pick somebody out that's going through you know infinitely or exponentially worse situations and they are better so

yeah i think that's a starting point right there okay and learn to smile more as well i think these are all starting steps cool let's uh all right um what's the question mufti answer my q i don't know what that um

is it permissible to feed your cat catnip i don't know what catnip is okay so i'm assuming it's some kind of cat food right unless it's not and then the joke's on me okay i don't know don't know what catnip is so what is catnip now look out for um [Music]

right so if it's about some cat food sure i mean i don't know if the cat likes that cup you know i saw look i saw somebody somebody sent me sorry a clip about some kind of halal cat food okay actual halal cat food and it said some slogan like um you know the opportunity to to to you know to feed your cat guilt-free food or something like this like basically you know now you can rid

yourself of the guilt and feed your cat some [Music] some food and right so yeah and and i look i don't know maybe people have good intentions when they do things maybe people are trying to help other people maybe and you know may allah bless their intention bless their heart and reward them on their intention okay

but these things are truly you know i'm not sure whether it's a laugh or cry of fear because it's islam has become something so artificial that it is now islamic to feed your cat let's say or feed your dog or i don't know feed your rabbit or suppose they probably or to feed them halal certified you know food it's like

like let's just pause that for a moment you see you go to the lifetime of the prophet sallallahu alaihi and the companions and islam was a real thing it wasn't this kind of fanciful um phenomenon this structured superimposed artificial

layer filter that's kind of like a show to the world or you know it wasn't it was just a real lived thing like they the sahabas you know they were sahaba they would have been people from the prophet's time that had cats that had dogs like abhorred had many cats other people had cats there were dogs as well i know there's this whole discussion of the of the dogs and that's something we can cover another day but in bukhari mentions the dogs used to come in and out of the prophet's masjid in the early days they were always there and omaru

used to sleep in the masjid he narrates that says the dogs used to come in and out of the masjid i used to sleep here and so look these things were there they had other animals and yes you know there's herbivores carnivores but there isn't look the animals are not mokalov okay they're not um like you don't take your dog on hajj like to do hajj okay it's not like i'm taking my cat i'm taking my parrot with me to to you know go on the hajj and we're gonna the pirates gonna do its hajj as well whilst i do my in many ways it's kind of

it's it's really on some grounds it appears maybe people haven't got this intention but it appears to ridicule you know just to be silly that this it's kind of got to a silly state of affairs that people are like well you know hey i've got like a lot of the saudis and you know they have all these tigers pet tigers don't they pet tigers and pet lions and there's this obsession they i mean don't get me wrong i totally admire you know lions and tigers but i mean i don't know how you'd have it as a pet but sure i mean they they seem to and they really get on with it and uh but it's not gonna be well hey i'm

taking my tiger you know on umrah with me or you know it's time to pray salah now or you know it's not this is like a very artificial it's perspective on islam islam is about your connection with god and that there isn't this people shouldn't be feeling guilty that oh my god i've got a tiger and the tiger eats meat i'm feeling guilty [Laughter] tiger's like

what's wrong with this guy why is he feeling guilty [Laughter] that's what they do you know they carnivores they they eat meat so what are you gonna do like i know to make it feel better i'm gonna i'm gonna do the beer meat [Laughter] the goat and the bakra and the cow is going to be like

you don't feel guilty for them they're going to be thinking don't worry about my life hey i'm an extra i'm an extra so the point is that look nature has its laws and it has its world but you don't need to as a human being be kind of carrying religious guilt i get it if you're concerned about animal cruelty that's a different discussion sure that's a wonderful discussion but to think well i'm carrying religious guilt like did this you know is this cat

or dog or whatever is this animal this pet practicing according to islam i mean you know they don't practice going to islam they're not human beings okay so yeah yeah so these are uh are kind of the things but i saw this and it was just like hmm you know what do you what does a person make of that ah mahmoud abdul baki shukran much love for the super chat yep i thought let's check it out so let's check this out people see how this goes

ah all right what have i um where do you get access to these scholarly sources from the legends of islamic history it's a special store um it's it's not about uh it's i guess you just kind of know to be honest everything is online everything you know you just have to know as long as you've got a nudge in the right direction you'll start exploring and reading and watching and youtube and google and read what this person says that person says

you'll have like a brilliant amount of knowledge on the topic very you know very rapidly uh melissa's question right yep uh apologies yet melissa you had asked a question about the afterlife and it was um i have to find it again now one second let's see if i can still find it um

right but it was something about um do unbelievers have to go to hell okay so right so let's understand this so this is how some people look at this they look at this text um scripture the quran and they say well allah has threatened and he has said well those who reject him there's this punishment okay in the afterlife and this and then there's the imagery and that's a discussion okay and then this and there's the concept of the

punishment which is a discussion okay now and then there's the element of time which is a discussion because keeping in consideration none of this has happened yet the afterlife has not yet commenced so it's all future tense uh propositional so that you've got the the the reward or the or the or the or the punishment yeah the sanctions so okay

now okay so let's let's take a look at that let's unwrap that unpack that for a moment so does allah have to follow through with a punishment now most theologians islamic scholars in arabic a promise is called a word and a threat is called so they say well look allah if so if a person reneges on a promise like i promise to give you something and i don't do it that's seen as a negative a bad quality but if i

threaten you with something and then i let it go that's actually seen as a noble act okay so hulful is not the same as so the scholars have said generally faculty and other people will write that look allah can do as he pleases as he says in the quran that look allah says allah can't be asked about whatever he chooses to do allah says in a verse well may if allah be become what would allah get out of punishing you that's the verse of the quran isn't it so

the the question is now does god have to punish anybody now the truth is allah doesn't have to do anything and that's the belief of of muslims for the most part the hadith of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam is that any let's say positive reward or bliss that a person encounters in the afterlife is simply by the act by the grace of god it is not by their actions by the grace of god that he graces you okay so the question here is that okay

can god do this can he reward can he do sure he can reward he can torment he can he just choose to forgo he can can he choose to forgive he can can he choose to allah could do whatever he wants so the question is well okay so that's one discussion and you're not there yet so what is the the the obsession in trying to understand well i i want to be god and i want oh i'm not saying you're saying that but a person that oh well i need to i need to pin

down what god would do well you'd never be able to do that now one of the discussions was the actual afterlife and the the kind of imagery and the description and well if you go through the the whole development of the judeo abrahamic faith there's a journey so so that's one discussion right there and if you unwrap that you begin with the jewish bible so the old jewish tradition they were divided since the time of you know from their tradition since the time of moses so some of them said that

we have no details about the afterlife this is why many of the earlier jews neither affirmed nor negated an afterlife but they weren't they never spoke of an afterlife because they said well you know it's not been mentioned to us but maybe it'll happen maybe it won't happen we'll just focus on this life so that was okay many of the jews now you see that okay so and there is the mention of soul um in the in the old jewish bible and some people say well maybe that was the state of suffering or uh they equate that to maybe let's say hell what later on comes to be hell and then you've got the jewish journey and it goes through exile and the whole

and the greek kind of influence as well and then you see hades comes in because that's so in a lot of the jewish uh sorry in a lot of the biblical translations the earlier term for hell is hades so there's this journey of hell that kind of develops along the way so you've got the imagery so first of all it's hades that they use in fact many of many bibles still use the word hades which is from greek hades and then what happens is um gehennam is used by jesus because the valley of

the people of hinnom so okay so there's this valley and some people say well maybe children were being burnt to death there's offerings to certain gods and some people say no it was a kind of uh disposal site where people used to burn rubbish and there was a constant burning fire in that um in that location in the valley of henon so jesus said well such as such people that are let's say really terrible they deserve to be in gehenna forever this valley of this this fire so this now becomes

a a concept and you see with as christianity spreads and it spreads right through arabia because you fast forward let's say five six hundred years up until pre-islam most of the arabs are actually christian so if you look at most of the arabs lived in the middle east and then there was a considerable part in the arabian peninsula and you have the southern arabian axiomite kingdoms which were christian the northern arab kingdoms or the hassanids which were greek and arab they were all christian and the manadera the

were all were mainly christian and around bahrain they were mainly christian and then you had a lot of the hijaz region in central kind of arabia that was still kind of pagan but the arabic backdrop they had these this existed in the notion whether people believed in it or not so let's say today uh let's say somebody's an atheist but they still understand the term if they speak english paradise so um they will so if somebody let's say somebody is in i don't know in hawaii or there is somewhere and they say hey i'm in paradise

okay so even if they don't believe in power let's say you say to them oh but do you believe in a paragraph no i don't believe in a paragraph but they have or do they believe in god i don't even believe in a god let's say they they're atheists but they still have a psychosocial construct of the terms because it exists in the psychosocial realm and it is a linguistic construct that has a at least a psychosocial reality whether the person believes in it or not so god for example exists as even if people don't believe in god they still understand the narrative

because it exists in this psychosocial part of the world so now jahannam already existed people the arabs this is why the quran never explains what jahannam is the arabs already knew the word jahannam even the pagans who didn't really believe in let's say jahannam because they weren't christian but they believed that they understood the word so this is why they would then mock and say oh they claim these believers claim that god will bring our bring back life to these dead bones

and question them and they would mock the prophet salallahu so so you have to understand that revelation has to come in a language to a people it can't come in every language to every people because the psychosocial narratives vary and the language by its nature has to lock in to a psychosocial reality the other people are by extension so you we you and i the quran is for us but we were not there in 7th century and

we were not part of the arab psychosocial world when it came the quran is just as much for us islam is just as much for us but it has to begin somewhere and it begins in arabia so it is an arabic quran and not just any arabic but an arabic of that day and age you can't divorce allah says

you cannot divorce it from that and it's not just a linguistic you see it's not just a this is not just um an issue of semantics this is not just an adjective a language is embedded within the psychosocial narrative of its age so the quran has to address people with that okay now well and that's a discussion one could say well okay why are certain well this is the tradition this is the this is the abrahamic tradition in which

the quran comes to affirm it says it comes it affirms that this tradition of ibrahim that has gone before you say well why is it not speaking in line with the tradition of buddha or speaking in life well it hasn't come in line with that tradition that's a different milla this is ibrahim you see so you have to understand things that the people they they yeah so i don't think people have a good understanding or maybe look it's their understanding i suppose each person the quran is for everyone everybody can understand it how they

understand it but it is an incredibly profound text much more profound than people some people may you know that look at it superficially so once you understand all of this you think well oh okay and there's so many little discussions that are in and of themselves profound discussion so the the concept of consequence why does consequence exist as a concept well i don't know if you watched our our book lounge meeting of was it last month before when we spoke about we had the book of the month bonobo and the atheist

the the primatologists discussing even animals even in a uh primatological surrounding so studying monkeys chimpanzees or bonobos where they have structures of consequences the tribe perform much more effectively even at a chimpanzee level substructures that have been self um endorsed and created by the tribe itself structures of consequence whether they are seen out or not result

in the efficacy and the success of the tribe that's in monkeys what do you think it'd be like in human beings they could not really human beings and even creatures they function effectively with the with with the horizon of consequence now the manifestation and the realization of that consequence is a different discussion because you haven't even got there so i would say that look focus yourself on where you are which is in this world

you are here allah has this wonderful message for you the quran and you have your faith and the message of it is for you to be a good a better person and to live your life as a better person it is not to worry about oh i wonder how this person will be once they've gone beyond the that's not you know it's not your job to be doing allah says in the quran it's not your job so you are here

you are here to serve mankind you do that sure you proclaim the wonderful positive blissful blissful beautiful message of islam as you go along but and and people may join the caravan along the way alhamdulillah and maybe people won't but you serve them too you know that's the the beauty of islam and and you just this is the submission you just have to trust the process and you go with it it's not don't get obsessed with this kind of this doom and gloom of the oh my god who's going to hell who's going to burn

who's going to do this who's going to allah is not you know when you look at the verses in the quran that speak of that that that obviously because it's part of the the tradition they are so few in relation to the entire quran and its verses which are let's say 6 200 plus verses so yeah i hope that helps because this is such a i feel it's it's it's becoming you know it's become pathologized

okay it's become a um you know it's it ruins people i think and it makes them miss you know there's that famous clip of bruce lee where he's saying you know when he's saying all that heavenly glory and he's kind of pointing out and then he kind of slaps the person and he says do not concentrate on the finger or you'll miss all the heavenly glory and and and that's exactly the point that what happens is we get so caught up and i get it i'm not trying to fault people i'm not trying to blame you or

blame someone it's i guess my frustration is somewhat to just recognizing how much of a widespread problem this pathology is because so many people are so bogged down and they miss the glory of god they miss the the love the compassion they spend their lives in this kind of uh ocd

kind of um almost not to detract or not to use this in a derogatory sense but i'm just giving almost in somewhat of an autism-like realm that they are so um horror driven into a state of perpetual anxiety that all they think about is like oh my god oh my god what's going to happen what's going to happen i need to be crying i need to be i'm guilty i'm sinful and i feel part of this has been inherited from that the catholic tradition

of like this kind of guilt-centric faith but yeah may allah make it easy may allah you know when we study when we learn really the life of the prophet really teaches us to be in a state of flow you know this is a beautiful hadith and this really you know by extraction it captures this spirit it's in sahih muslim that the prophet salallahu sallam said that if the final hour was to be upon you and one of you is

planting a plant you know his final hour the world the apocalypse is nigh not not it's it's activated and you and i are here planting a plant the prophet said keep planting

see and in another in the same hadith he said if if the final hour was to come and you're feeding a morsel a piece of food to your mouth he said keep eating i think you're still in this world be in this world as you are of this world focus on the good yard you're planting a plant planted just trust the process go with it and i think that really captures to me as an individual the the beauty of

the teachings of the prophet sallallahu alaihi the compassion of the quran for me as an individual this this kind of really it it kind of symbolizes it straight and so yeah i hope that shed some light and i do understand these are difficult for people i speak to people you have some perspective sessions one-on-one sessions with people who are you know they they're struggling immensely because they've got trapped in this and some of them have converted to islam and they've become trapped in this

for years this kind of this kind of sudden doom and gloom guilt driven ocd state of perpetual anxiety so may allah make it easy for them i mean i mean i hope that helps people and a slight note on that by the way if watching certain people or reading certain people is adding to your state of anxiety then stop doing it that should be common sense

if there's certain things that you read let's say there's certain people you follow and those people are triggering your state of anxiety then just then just you know maybe that's that maybe that's a sign that that's not healthy right so okay moving on moment this is probably a repeated question used for good why are there some hadith that seemed to be against it sure it is a repeated question i have got some detailed videos on music you can watch them um yeah and there's you know there's there's both camps there's those people

who feel music is haram they've got their evidences those people who feel it isn't haram they've got their evidences it's entirely up to people you know there's not um what i would say is not about imposing if you follow that group of ulama and they may be the majority technically they you know from a uh quantitative perspective so if you follow them they say this is haram that's the scholars you follow that's what you believe then fine practice that it's your devotion there's other people who don't feel music is haram they've you know written loads of things on it has written on him

i'm sure he's written on it is written on it um got many people i believe speaks on many people spoken on music it's an old age old kind of nothing new um some people feel every single musical instrument is haram some people feel no some musical instruments are okay the rest are haram drums are okay percussion instruments are okay but um you know wind instruments or or kind of like um string instruments or haram some people feel no well some uh you know wind instruments are okay

um maybe just string instruments are haram some people feel no instruments are haram there's nothing you know this this this diversity and that is the beautiful diversity of islam and so whatever people follow and people will have their evidences so you'll have some people evidence for that some people evidence for that some people evidence for this some people evidence for that so i hope that kind of helps you know i i really find these discussions tiring you know because i'm you know i played a clip a while ago yeah um of uh it was let me see is it still

here um and and that when i was studying with uh maulana abdullah in karachi it's what like 22 years ago 20 you know 21 years ago 20 years ago at that time i was studying this and researching it and you know so interested and two decades have been since then i've lived probably many lifetimes since

then you know it's like i find it really silly and childlike still these discussions it's like you need to i think if you're still obsessed about these questions sure i mean you can have an approach you follow this opinion you follow that opinion you follow that opinion you follow whichever one you follow whatever you follow more power to you it's your life live it you know you want to follow it's haram follow it's haram wonderful you know i i will not tell you that it's not haram i would not simply bother it's nothing to do with me

so but i find it so childlike these discussions that it's like people are still talking about this it's like wow we like you know it's like somebody i don't know talking about cartoons and as in you just don't have that passion for them you know maybe when you were a kid you did but i guess you kind of grow up and you go through life and and i think this is indicative that if you find yourself obsessed with these things then maybe it's a sign

that you know you need to grow up sure and that doesn't mean i'm not trying to knock people for their opinion you know you can have that opinion you can have any one of these opinions they're all opinions at the end of the day you know well his opinion that sure and if you want to research it you can research it but you're never going to truly i don't know maybe some people will get a deeper grasp but they need to learn a lot to get a deeper grasp cool okay let's move on

right okay so somebody said pakistanis say music say it's haram you know i'm sure many pakistanis do say it's haram others don't i think you usually find some scholars in pakistan i believe usually of the of the bravery inclination i believe in his tough seed i believe argued it wasn't haram i um went to beer karam shasab's mother as well in

islamabad you know it's a wonderful scholar of of the whole indian subcontinent he was an al-azhar graduate and also became a um i believe a judge within pakistan for the kind of sharia side of things and he has the seal of the quran i believe it's called like and uh from what i recall like i could if i'm correct that he didn't believe it's haram and he writes in the it's not haram and there are several ulama in pakistan that argue it's not haram because they've had a long tradition

of people for a thousand years in india and that have not believed its haram and you have the kawali and you have all of this and then there's other people who believe it's haram and they you know they have their tradition and they have the why do we have to win other people why is this like like a voting system you know it's like like imagine i feel eating vitamins is necessary which i kind of do i i i eat vitamins and kind of all the minerals and amino

acids and i'm very uh like a junkie on these things and i like i go to the gym regularly and i eat these things so to me on a personal basis this is like obligatory i have to do this but sure if you're a friend of mine you ask me i might tell you yeah i think this is epic you should take these you should take glutamine or you should take these so you should take that but if you don't take it you don't take it like let's say somebody play sports and they love sports they love football love crickets they life but the other person doesn't love it like they don't have to think well i have to for me to love it the whole

world must love it i have to convince everyone first i mean if you believe it if you believe in it do it i mean what's the problem you don't need other people to hold your hand and if somebody doesn't believe in it they don't believe in it what's it gonna do you know it's not your job to be trying to force other people so yeah

um i mean mufti all right all right mufti what's your view on muslim couples using the western family court system and their children to seek revenge one another it's a common issue sadly um it is firstly let's i make dua anybody going through family issues may allah make things easy for them okay and this you see that's a loaded it's a layered

uh you know compactified uh issue right there because this there's so many separate components that we have to unpack and unwrap because one is the relationship itself is an issue and that's a whole it's not even a chapter it's like a series with multiple seasons to understand that because relationships are very difficult within um i think that the kind of muslim setting because people and there's a lot of factors for that that we can't really

unwrap them all but there's there's a lot of uh socio-cultural factors or psychosocial cultural factors um so people one they don't know what they want two they don't know how to behave and i don't mean this in a way like like in a like i'm trying to say oh you don't know how to behave but they legitimately don't know the roles that they are to adopt because they don't have any practice so you see people don't know how to handle relationships because nobody teaches you how to handle a relationship like if you just think about it who

taught you how to handle a relationship think about it your appearance let's be honest most people have um you know that's not very giving in that department let's just say speaking from like the general muslim kind of migrant communities the parents are not usually role models for relationships and i'm not faulting them but they've had their own struggles but but they're from a different paradigm they've come from a different part of the world with different socio psychosocial cultural narratives expectations and

you know just dynamics so okay so for example the world today and and the world is evolving simultaneously so today relationships is heavily centered on romance now this is a problem as well because you know it's not let's be honest it's sure it's wonderful but it's not you know it's it's an emotion and how stable are they you know because let's

you see so okay you take humanity people used to let's say um be in a lifelong relationship okay but then they weren't so then they were in kind of like monogamous relationships although muslims also have polygamous relationships but okay so it's one person but then it just becomes okay one person at a time okay so it's not i'm not just involved with let's say this is the the ethical way in in the west so to speak it's not about

just seeing one person it's about just seeing one person at any given time okay so right now i'm in a relationship with this one person so this is the western ideal so it's not about being with just one person it'll be like okay so when this person's season is over i'll be with a different person sure so now it's about well okay now it's it's so centric romance-centric everything is about love and do i have to find my perfect soulmate and and sure look people

i do feel that people do find people like this but at the same time i don't feel it's necessary that everybody will find somebody like this and i don't feel it's necessary everybody must find somebody like this it's but it's become this kind of old ideal that if we're not chasing after it's as if something's lacking so let's say a person has got a high-flying career let's say they've got i don't know they're you know some kind of amazing i don't know they could be a doctor a lawyer a teacher an accountant therapist they could be anyone a

business man or a business woman but they don't have a love life so to speak they feel because of the way society is now determined especially western society that they are missing something and that to something which ought to give their entire life meaning so yes so you can imagine that the handicap kind of situation this produces because let's say now they're in pursuit of this this this wonder lust or this idea of

like i want to this i need to be in cloud nine so okay let's say they find it okay so that's amazing and wonderful and now they feel amazing and they feel giddy and they feel you know flowers are blossoming and you know the wind is moving slower and they're moving in slow motion and the sh you know the dilu allen music is coming on in the background and okay but but then like any emotion it will just subside and then they'll be like well um i don't know am i still in love with

this person have i fallen out and then society will have that pressure that oh now that you no longer are in love you are living a lie it's better to end this and find that token of love again somewhere else so and so it's this kind of drug and don't get me i'm not trying to knock love or this romance i think it's amazing it's you know and definitely is something that one should at least experience at least once in their lives but that said

i'm just saying the whole the way the western framework has been kind of styled and structured it's it's kind of you know eating its tail on it because what is it supposed to do and so things fall apart okay so that's the western thing and the muslim thing is kind of trapped in between that and the the eastern ideal of pragmatic relationships arranged marriages you know you just get arranged and with zero experience of how to handle a relationship so okay so you have the western sense and in the western sense okay you have girlfriend boyfriends growing up

you fall in love you have the teenage love you are heartbroken you go through being on a downer for a few months you pick up the pieces you get on with it you have some experience in the western sense let's say now in the eastern sense okay that okay so that's not something that's um permitted i'm not trying to say you need to permit that i'm just giving a description of events so okay so here muslims do it as well but they have to keep a secret secret we're not allowed to talk okay we've got a girlfriend boyfriend but it's also secret so it's kind of like this weird dirty secret

that's hidden so they don't get to live an open relationship now the problem with that is that they okay so it's this secret they've got that they're doing all these things with these added pressures and they're going through some weird heartbreak but it's not and they think well you know if i had i need to have a proper relationship and the only time they can do that is when they get married then they get married and what happens is parents the disappearance would say well okay um you need to live here with us so we're going to have this joy extended living status

that okay so the parents are here the siblings are here this person this couple are living here as well as though this is some village in india pakistan it's like so how's this gonna work so okay now they're gonna say well you know you let's go by the eastern ideals what used to happen in in in the disney motherland but what used to happen there is our mashallah the the the you know the daughter-in-law she would cook for everyone and clean and she would be this uh respectful

dignified glorified mate so she's gonna cook and clean and let's say there's five six other people living in this house while she's gonna clean all their clothes and she's gonna okay they've got a washing machine but she's it's her duty and she's gonna cook all the food and she's gonna serve all the food and she's but she's also but then there's the western ideal because the guy will be like i don't want a typical woman she's gotta be modern so the modern woman is gonna be modern she's going to be like working and having her own life and now she's coming home and trying to face this pressure and how does that work

and then what's going to happen is that there's going to be a crossover of territory so as naturally it happens in animals you think it's not going to happen in humans you think you're going to put a mother-in-law and a daughter-in-law in the same she's too there's not going to be a territorial kind of like so now she's gonna complain to the husband and she's gonna complain to the son and the son has got zero experience on how to handle this so he's gonna think well how should i handle this well oh i need to be a man okay what does that mean well uh let me

resort to the eastern ideals how did they used to handle how did my ancestors in pakistan and india you know chodri saabs used to handle this well they would just say know your place woman [Laughter] so okay let me try you see the whole thing is a mess they don't know how to handle it nobody knows how to handle any of it and and then there's another added component to the equation and that is that uh muslim males are massively immature uh in the western world massively like i think compared to

non-muslim counterparts and even compared to muslim females muslim females may also be kind of um immature as well but i think the males massively so because they just live at home they live with the appearance everything gets done parents don't usually keep a good grip of what's going on they're not you see greater discussions don't take place and they've not lived in solitude you need to as a man i think more so i think this applies to women as well but i think as a man you have to live in solitude for a certain period of your life you have to kind of face your inner shadow

until you don't i think you don't emerge as a true man and you don't um this is another problem so they've never done that so they still have this kind of childishness to them as well and i think they probably mature about near 35 onwards so bloody good luck with that because by that time they've had a bunch of kids and now the whole family has kind of fallen to pieces and then what happens people take revenge they go to courts now first of all people should go to court if they need to obtain their rights for something that's what the courts are for

okay but if you can if you can see to matters in a civil amicable manner that is always the best thing to do never weaponize the children against one another that is so such an evil thing to do and who it harms firstly is the children see harms the children first and foremost if a couple okay so this is what the the kind of um the studies show so if you

research on single unit and joint unit families with children and the effect it has on the negative impact it has on the child or children you will find that joint families like as in a joint unit both parents the child is usually better off on most fronts okay so two parents child usually works out better on most fronts so you'll see that that's what studies will show however however that's in contrast to a single parent

and child or children however the studies show that two parents and tension and a hostile environment or a toxic environment works out worse than a single parent with children so a single parent with children works out much healthier and better in almost every regard than a two-parent family where there is a toxic environment so if the parents are at each other's throats and you know this tension and negativity and hostility and

i mean as the norm i don't mean as maybe you know as a one-off people but as the norm then this is very unhealthy it's better that they just separate and part ways because that will just have a detrimental life lasting impact on the children it's better that they separate and just show their love to the children as they can now if they're going to separate look surely one person i'm not saying it's one person's fault but it's likely that one person one out of the two may be more at fault than the other it's

likely okay now this may be a subjective uh interpretation so he may say it's her fault she may say it's his fault but maybe a bystander may see that one is more at fault than other than the other it may be that's very likely yeah but there would be a kind of attritional gradual wear and tear to the relationship if that happens look it's happened cut your losses and move on like why are you torturing yourself so people i've people have spoken to me i've spoken to people they will say i do feel that the court system

in the uk and in maybe much of the west is inclined towards the women as opposed to the men now sure that may have its reasons because maybe women are more often the victims then they're not let's say of violence and so on they're not entirely the victim but they more often let's say the higher percentile so okay but i've seen cases i and i've had people talk to me and i've even had people say this like own up to it to me that when they're discussing it with me that they've said that

they will block the let's say the father from access to the child that they will block him access they will lie to the courts say that he's a threat when he isn't a threat to the children but they will say that just because they feel he was a good for nothing and he was a deadbeat husband to them and and they may say that look oh well i had one woman once say to me well you know i think they i can't remember

how old the child was i think she may have been like let's say four or five they had a daughter and she said well he left me let's say three years ago whatever it was three or four years ago and he'd been trying ever since going to court or in the last i think two three years trying to go to court to have access to his child and she's blocking it and she said well he was a good for nothing beep beep beep and he went off with all these other women and he did this as this and i said well what's that got to do with with this and she said well well he she said well i know what's best

for my child i said i'm sorry but you're wrong you are utterly catastrophically wrong this is not best for your child and she said well if he wanted to be a good dad she said look i'm basing it on evidence the scientist emerged she said the evidence is well three years ago or let's say four years ago when we were together he didn't used to you know take advantage of quality time with the child then so aha if he didn't do it then then why should i give him the opportunity to

do it now like he lost his opportunity [Laughter] oh god i said look that's not how this works the parent mother or father always till their death have a child god-given right to always try even if they've you know if you've been making mistakes up until this very moment now and you decide in this moment you know what i've made all these mistakes i want to make amends now you have that right to make amends even if you've been a good for nothing

beep in the past you can't see you can't hold somebody to their past and don't hold them to being a bad to you so so for example the husband and the wife may be really horrible to each other but don't project that onto the child they both will equally love the child so allow and and the first person perspective is the child perspective the child needs to see both okay so i have seen this i've spoken to people people have owned up to me about this surprisingly they've justified it um

and it is sad it's tragic i my only kind of advice is that look move on everyone i see husbands that kind of cling that oh my god oh is she gonna go with another man she's not your pet or your slave or your servant what do you mean is she gonna go what the hell is that what are you like six years old these people so you see husbands that are like oh i've been separated for so many years but i won't allow my wife to be with another man who the hell do you think

you are you don't have that right allah has given each and every one of us the sovereignty to self-determine our own lives who we choose to be with or who we choose not to be with no person can dictate that for us so they need to people need to grow up and simultaneously you'll see on the other side you'll see where people women will block access for whatever you usually may not be equally about jealousy that's usually more the the male centric view

unfortunately that we see but from the women's side it may be like well ah he was a good for nothing i'm gonna get him back now you know this retaliation and all that suffers is the child allah it is all honestly that there is all that suffers and this is why i make to offer these for anybody going through that and allah make it easy and i don't try to claim that this is an easy thing to go through but you have to begin the maturity process somewhere be the bigger person

take that step you know have to and just move with positivity in your life and try to spread you know if the other person you know some people may say well i'm trying to be nice and the other person is being a bpp let them you know you you spread just positivity sprinkle roses where you go you know you don't let the other person be venomous and poisonous and toxic and not your problem

you just be good okay and this by the way what i'm talking about is obviously in the cases where there are not real threats to the children of course if there is an incident where somebody's a threat to the actual child the child is always paramount and steps need to be taken okay i have unfortunately become aware of cases you know over the years where people have done monstrous things to their own kids that are can't even be expressed in words okay we're talking about sexual

exploitation of your own child um unbelievable monstrosities any person that does that or anything of such barbaric monstrous proportions they imminently forfeit the kind of rights of of of parenthood they can't demand i mean if people let's say let's say the child grows up and forgives the parent or they somehow wish to reconcile that's

on the child then who may later obviously when they're an adult but they there's no demanding there is that right is long lost long lost it's buried dead died okay the moment a person violates the bond of uh sacred bond that allah and has kind of entrusted and it's in and it's embedded in the fitra embedded in the fitnah it's not even a learned thing it's

it's embedded animals wouldn't do these things so yeah now if it's sad to become aware of these things they disturb people even just becoming aware of it and yeah may allah make things easy i mean i mean and i i heard somebody want to ask a question that do does that child still have to obey the parent of course not and these people need to be reported okay this stuff is not okay and it cannot be buried okay i'm being very clear

and anybody burying it under islamic guilt is is an accessory okay now obviously i get it that in some places people don't they may not report it just because they don't want to and that's their own choice but to pressure people to kind of cover up for such criminality and monstrosity by using allah is is an offense to allah okay so may allah make things easy i mean

right okay people let's ah let's share the link and get some of you guys on live it's been um all right okay so all right yeah absolutely absolutely you always support

uh muslim divorce rate in the west almost the same as the non-muslim divorce rate yeah you know but i don't think divorce has to be a bad thing i'm not saying it's a goal it's clearly not or an ideal but in islam it's not you see it's there for a reason isn't it if somebody is suffering then it's better than them suffering okay but it doesn't sure a relationship doesn't have to be

given up on just because somebody's oh you know had a little fallout or a little throw a little stroppy you know i'm walking off sure you know it's it's there's a bond stronger than that but but it doesn't mean that a person has to put up with abuse okay so divorce is not i don't think people should measure you know people say sometimes like i've had this discussion people say oh my god the divorce rate has gone so high for muslims in in the west or in england or in and

okay but i mean but what are you what you see it's as though the corollary what the the logical kind of um conclusion that follows is that you're saying that these that this is wrong in and of itself and they shouldn't have happened but i don't see that as a natural conclusion because what i see is that ah so those relationships were problematic like the people may have been mismatched they may have been immature they may have been abusive they may have been um

victims of drug abuse they may have been victims of um sexual abuse victims of uh violence they may have like there's other things that i'm seeing when i'm hearing this question i'm not seeing oh that there was a divorce as the bad thing because this is people don't nobody does a divorce for fun so you know nobody gets up once a day i've got nothing to do i know i'll why don't i apply for a divorce it's a nobody ever if if the if the situation has got to a divorce that means you know that the the problems are obvious that a person

can't handle it so yeah nora divorce was the best thing happened to me it forces you to re-evaluate and better yourself and get along better than ever as friends wow well you see that's an an excellent kind of comment to show that people is true it is true you even see in the movies and even though it's it's it's a story there but you do see it but people will um

when they are in relationships because they're in this is another problem i guess with the western paradigm and i feel in some ways the islamic islamic license shall i say it's not the islamic paradigm but the license um allows for it better i feel because the islamic license to uh multiple relationships plural relationships what it allows is like the hadith says you see

it's a beautiful hadith that leave a gap before you see each other it will increase you in love but you see because when you're constantly in people's face i don't know how it's it's gotta be frustrating isn't it because you you annoy people and i'm sure you annoy them as much as they annoy you it's a human thing so when people see with a gap so they they they they're eager to see the other person and it kind of it results in

more perpetuity more kind of a longevity of that relationship you so i'm not saying that everybody has to enter into polygamous religion it doesn't have to be that's not the only way that could happen it could just be that people have isolated residences but sure that's one paradigm a license that's not a paradigm i guess it's a license that islam allows but it the the current thing i think is is somewhat claustrophobic um [Laughter]

ah people be like what the hell did mufti just say well ah i'm not saying you have to do it i'm just saying it's interesting isn't it that this paradigm of having a gap that distance makes the heart grow fonder you know as uh as many of the arabs when they would stop at the ruin speaking of the arabs and the poetry people

let me introduce to you this personality okay from pre-islam um this guy he is from the tribe of bakarib nawa'il those of you that remember that we'd spoken about and the whole and this was a huge tribe baklav nawaz and the whole you know the war that they had had if you remember uh haribol basus with bani taglib versus bani bakker but they were all part of rabiah and bakarib nawa were always this kind of like a fighter kind of tribe and they were

known they were quite surplus lived right down from the middle east region into nudge then they were kind of scattered and um yeah and there's this and we'll actually go through this incident there was a time where i don't know if i've narrated it before known as the the day of the car where they actually take on the sassanid uh dynasty and it's in the lifetime of the prophet salallahu we'll speak about that another day and that's where they take on parvez he's the kisrah of the time but bakrip nawa'il are this kind of tribe and they're known for this kind of ah this boastful attitude and they've

had several poets from them this poet or this personality he is that means his poem is one of the 10 attached poems that was attached to the kaaba as the gold standard of poetry his poetry has been deemed if not the highest form of poetry then at least it comes second so some people claim that uh imra al-kais

who we've covered um has you know his the best people say then he comes you know if imra always takes gold then he takes silva and he has a famous [Music] that is speaking about his love and he has many loves he's not monogamous this

this personality some of them are like if you remember antara he who was the the warrior he was just it was just habla till death you know it was that but some of them are kind of like all shall we say high in exploration and amongst them is and he's he's incredibly wise for being so young his poetry is so full of wisdoms that they became proverbs that are some are even used till today so he has so for example in arabic there

is a poem there is a proverb that is so somebody says if you mix it's a bit like in english they're saying um it's a bit like saying apples and oranges where somebody's mixing something somewhat similar yet different that they're both kind of fruits but they're different and somewhat in that regard is where he comments on his one of his uncles who's speaking about which is a male camel but he accidentally attributes something to it that is female and tarafa said

that you know he is to treat as a female camel alba as in he got it wrong you know he's mixing apples with oranges in that sense and and and this has become a proverb which is still used in in arabic and he has many wisdoms like this like he said in the poem that abba mundirin abba mundarin afna

he said that you see this line of his means just go easy but that some evil is easier than than other than others as in you know some evil is less than uh than other evils this has or some harm is less more tolerable became became proverbial so like that he has many um he has in his poem that uh women

allah and he says and from insanity is the inflamed love you see so incredibly wise young man who in such he he passes away as a very young man just in his mid late 20s 26 and some people say maybe 27 years of age but in that time he says all of these things these incredible poems that we still have to today full of all of this these gems and his his

which i mentioned is like this kind of desert which has mixed sand and stones in this place she has ruins debris the debris of her the ruins of her old dilapidated home stand out as the way a tattoo appears in the hand he's saying that um and he says

that he says that my companions they kind of as we stood there they kind of tell me look don't don't kind of destroy yours don't be ruined over her have some strength and this is an amazing honestly he does get a bit it's one of the longest it is the longest it is over a hundred uh couplets in it i think 104 or something but he um and he and he has so many he gets carried away by his camel describing his camel which we'll find boring as hell but then uh he starts to put all these wisdoms in there that are so um

you know brilliant he has a line in there that he says [Music] he says you know when your own relatives or the people near and dear to you do oppress you he says it hits harder than a fine fine steel sword you know the finest swords muhammad was a sword made out of fine indian steel back

then they would call it muhammad from the word hind and it was a highly kind of like valued sword so he says it hits harder than that and this guy what he had he's he's actually related to um several of the poets there's the two famous there's the maracas two famous maracas they are his uncles he's from his dad's side and from his mom's side he has a famous uncle who's a poet known as and people say his name was or some say it's whatever but he's known as

and he and al-mutalam is they're very tight they hang out from his mother's side is from a different uh still from that kind of rabia tribe of the uh dubai but he's um but anyway you he's a poet as well and you see poets were incredibly they were rated but they were feared in that day and age as well because they would say a poem about you and it would go viral and they would diss you they they released these diss tracks about you and they would go viral so what happens is uh tarafa

he has a uh a relative his own brother-in-law yeah his wife's husband wife's husband wife's brother he's the husband wife's brother so his brother-in-law who's also from the same tribe and that guy's name is um he's up to hammer right so this up to amar uh they have some kind of he doesn't kind of get on with him or something and um and and one day um you know there's some family bickering going on and maybe the wives told the brother something and the brother's like um that good for nothing

you know you know the family politics so he says the brother-in-law says something to him and that's the worst thing you want to say to a poet because it's like nowadays i guess the influences you know you say something and influencers will be like hey i have a meltdown on social media so tarafa he has this meltdown in the form of a poem and he says this poem about his brother-in-law and he says in it

now this is a style it's a diss track okay it's a dissing him but the style of literary style is one that arabs would use to um to really praise people but they would begin as though they're gonna diss you but it became a style that they would say you know the only thing good about him that or they would say there's no goodness that you'll find in him except and then there would be the the volta the kind of plot twist the the kind of um you know the punch line that they would say except he's incredibly generous or you know

this is how they would say so it's like it became a thing and and you have in sahih bukhari as well the poem that comes down that they say uh i think about the sword that comes from and i think it's when is in abdullah malik's time or one of the kings he has it and the poem honestly i love that line uh it's inside of bukhari but it's a famous poem of the art that they say you know there's no you no goodness in them except that

their swords have been dented excessively by the clash of armies you see it's a way of saying that that they're so cur like they've been through so many wars that that their swords carry so many dents and this is obviously reflecting their courage and victories and triumphs and legacy but it begins by saying him

so this guy says uh he says about his um about his his brother-in-law he says he says you know this there's no goodness in him except that he's he has richness so you think okay so this is building up it's getting climactic

he says and except that he has a fat plump waste that when he gets up it's all feminine and kind of like you know it's so he you think he's going to praise him and then he just really disses him saying you know that the best thing about him is he he's really curvaceous you know and voluptuous this is what he's saying about him so obviously this poem has gone viral yeah now this brother-in-law abdul amar he happens to be one of the the the kind

of the guys who hangs out with the king in hera in which was in modern day iraq the old cultural capital of the arabs which is the the lachman dynasty their capital okay and the the hassani capital was busra but these guys it's so the king there at the time was some people said it was uh what is it who was spoken about but i think it most likely it was probably american so and this guy was like a vicious king as well he's really known and he ruled like like an excessively long amount of time

like some 40-plus years and he's got it on luck right the arabs fear him and so anyway um what happens is the brother-in-law he happens to be um like have a relationship with the king as in he because the kings in the past what they used to do is they used to enjoy good company so they would have like like nowadays people watch movies and do stuff that they would have the evening gatherings so they would look out for so they would ask that if anybody imagine you knew somebody that's that's a great uh that's

great company that was like prized after it was like a great prize so they would hunt out great company like people who knew poetry people who were funny people who you could just sit and and they would drink with them and they called them the arabic word is nadim like a drinking partner okay so um so so these people they were from the the kind of man of the king so the brother-in-law so he's chilling with him one day and he's drinking and then they go out on this hunting thing they go let's go hunting so whilst they're hunting they hunt this kind of wild uh this zebra

or so this kind of they find this thing and the king hunts it so when he hunts it he tells this guy uh the brother-in-law's he says to him there's a lot of ambrose here by the way in this story he tells him the brother-in-law that hey uh i've caught it so they catch this this this animal i think it was some kind of like a a zebra or some wild animal they've caught and and he chucks it in this ditch and now he's the king you know he doesn't want to kind of cut it up and get all blood over him so he tells this guy the brother this brother-in-law of

tarafa um he tells him that hey could you um jump in there and cut it up for us will you bring us the meat so this guy jumps in there and he's trying and he can't seem to cut it it's not easy cutting an animal and so he's he's trying and he's like you know the the you know the triceps ain't really working so he's like when he can't seem to do it so the king looks at him and and he starts laughing like he says

what kind of a man are you and the king says that you know it's true what tarafa says about you that he says you know what said about you so true you know what the only thing you're good for is just being curvaceous so obviously this guy now abdul hamer he's like insulted so [Laughter] human emotions huh they get the better of us so

he says aha he says well you think that's bad you should hear what he says about you now if ever in history a sentence has caught somebody's attention believe me in the love for the love of god it has been that one you know when somebody says do you know what such and such you should hear what such and such says about you if our attentions are suddenly a char

so what does he say about so he says no what does he say so he reads this poem to him where basically says about the king that we have a king who's no like if only in place of him we had a sheep basically look there's a little back story to this that the kings and i've mentioned this before when i spoke of the later king not man they used to have these weird distribution of days

so they would say that um they they divide their days into like one day so they would have one day which is like for the people like let's say they see people they deal with their what they need and stuff and they would have another day where they for example one of them whoever he meets he's gonna kill him or some kings had that but this guy he would have a day where he goes hunting that day he does you could be dying he's not going to help you he would only go hunting and if he met people on that day and you came in his way he would just shoot you

with an arrow so tarafa had said a poem about him he'd said that you know this guy this king if we had a sheep in place of him it would be more useful at least it could kind of give us milk like whenever we need it he said he has a day where he goes hunting birds like he sends off his falcon and he kind of hunts these birds he says well at least the birds can fly away what about us we can't even fly so he had this poem so this guy tells this brother-in-law tells the king that he said this poem about you now

the king ahmed nahin gets incredibly insulted but he kind of covers it up he thinks you know what he boils when he hears this that how dare he say that about me but he wants to get him but then he thinks you know what if i tell this guy that i'm going to get him this guy might maybe he'll have a change of heart because ultimately he's related to him like if i tell him watch i'm going to chop him up now this guy might tell him and give him a head start to run away so he kind of plays it cool and says ah shut up man you're just hating on him and he tries to keep it a bit

uh easy like he tries to you know but in his mind he's plotting away let alone this the king had previously heard that you know muthalumis this guy's uncle who's also a poet he had said a poem because they you know if you don't if they want to rediss you they he had said a poem dissing this king's brother he had a brother called caboose who was also useless and uh so lazy that they said this poem about him being lazy so anyway in the weeks and months that go this king decides i want to get my revenge basically there is no revenge i

want to kill him execute him but how do i do it so he comes up with this plot he says okay what i'm going to do he says invite them so they invite this this invite goes to both of these they're getting invited they're getting more dressed up going to the royal court nice this one nice so they go there and i'm ripping him he's um obviously he's this huge king

now people say to him you know if you invite them and kill them here you're basically going to trigger off this whole tribe don't do that have them killed but not here and he says okay fine so when he calls him the king also has an ounce of doubt that is you know maybe this guy isn't as i've heard about maybe he's a good guy or whatever and so so the worst thing happens here is when the king invites him tarafa who's a young man was incredibly kind of

self-arrogant as well so he kind of even in front of the king he's kind of doing this walk like he's kind of boxing and muthalumis does tell him his uncle you know you might want to take that down a notch because this king doesn't like arrogance and he says now what are you on about he says the king's invited us he likes us you know let's be ourselves and hahaha and even in front of the king he starts doing this little kind of dance and the king is now definitely thinking now this guy is so self-conceited that he definitely insulted me i'm definitely going to do with this guy

so anyway they chill they spend their evening they drink with the king and they do all of this and the king says says don't you worry man i got in store for you man i got in store so the king says to him you know what i've got a gift for you gifted gift give me argument he says really he says he says you know what in bahrain this this other region he says we've had these uh

amazing things turn up he says you know i'm gifting one to you i'm gifting it to both of you it says here's a letter it says take this letter it's got the royal stamp on it royal seal take it to the governor of bahrain which bahrain isn't the country bahrain today but it's that regional the eastern side of old you know the arabian peninsula was called bahrain back then so they say okay they get incredibly chuffed

now as they're leaving the palace they're all kind of chuffed lottery man lottery muthalumis the uncle you see he's slightly older in age he says my intuition man intuition you know something i tell you if your intuition ever tells you something see it through there's no harm in being cautious this guy he he says you know

my intuition is telling me something's wrong here so he says to thorify you know what let's open up this this letter let's open it up tarafa that's the royal seal if we open it we violate it you know it's it's like a sacrilege this guy's a king and we're going to get a prize so what alam is is like man you know i um no yeah these aren't too much man too much so whilst they were in here which is the

capital cultural capital he quickly finds some young some young lad who looks a bit educated and he asks him look excuse me can you read because this guy himself he couldn't read he was a great poet but he couldn't read this also shows how they used to make poetry intuitively it wasn't an educated process like institutionally educated so he finds this young man who can read and he says look i he says read this for me so they break the seal and he reads and the guy is like whoa he goes

and the guy says well he says who on earth is and he goes that is me he says god damn he says it says in here that when muslims comes to you kill him somewhat is absolutely petrified he's like what the hell grabs the letter rips it up throws it in this um in this river and this

river which he says a poem about he says because it was called cafe that river was and he says something about cathalica that's how i throw cool uh that every piece of paper that misguides i throw he said this point so he rips it and then he goes to tarafa he says star vices what the hell he says you know what you've got to throw away that goddamn letter it's it's a death sentence you're carrying your own death sentence so they said the guy said no don't be silly you would never do that to us it's the king.

so mo talam miss begs him look please don't listen to me i'm i'm i'm parting ways i'm out of here i'm going straight back to our territory and i'm getting out of here not even our territory i'm saying look let's save ourselves the king is after us and i knew it because i had insulted his brother and you'd insulted him so tarafa says that you know what i don't believe it i'm such a world-renowned poet there's no way the king would do this to me

i'm gonna collect what's mine and so what happens is he continues he persists and he goes to bahrain and you know it's and when he gets the the the kind of it's not a king but the deputy the kind of governor of bahrain who's under the king of under this king he opens it and he looks at tarafa and he's heard of tarafa because everybody's heard of he's this renowned celebrity poet he says to him do you know what's in this letter

he says a prize he says it's instructions that i execute you and he says and now that it's come to me i must do it so he says to tarafa that okay the least i can do is haha are your favors huh [Laughter] he says the favor i can do is i can allow you to choose how i execute you yes all your compassion

[Laughter] have compassion on those on earth the one above will have compassion so this compassion he says you know what i've got to be compassionate so he says the least i can do is let you choose i am multiple choice so what it's interesting actually that uh he actually you see that the death that they used to choose in many ways it was much more compassionate that what he said is okay he said if

there's no way if it's inevitable he said then let me drink till i get drunk and when i pass out then he says that just to slit an artery and let me bleed out and that evening he spends the and he's kind of obviously dining and then he's drinking and he says poems as well and he says poems to that are transmitted even to his um

to this brother-in-law of his but he's saying that you know tell this this servant of this misguided person what is it it's an amazing poem that one by the way he says to him and he says

he says that if he says i know that basically if somebody one of your your people if one of you is denigrated is that a loss then you are a loss he's saying to him he says

how can you leave that how can you go astray that he's asking him that the truth that what is right has a known way amongst people people know what it means to be to be to be right and he says to him that um

he says he says if a person can't even forgive a joke like i said a poem about you as a joke and you took it to this extent that you you know are having me killed this is says that person what ignorance does that person live and reside and he says

he says that if a person can't even have control over his tongue has that it is then it is just something that shows his weakness and he has this kind of beautiful line at the end of it where he says

that he says you know the souls of people knew from long ago that i don't that it knows that there are some who are venomous their enemies the adversary they're not going to help you and there's some that will kind of be true to you and in some ways this echoes the hadith that the prophet said that there's these souls that they that they have this pre

consciousness that they know they gel they harmonize and they some that are adversarial it's amazing his poems honestly he um they have so much and his you know his he says to in the end of it and this is why in it this line that uh that when those who are near to you oppress you it is worse than being hit by the fine by the most powerful

sword there is and in the end he kind of he seals that with saturday [Music] this line is golden he says that the days and time itself will unveil to you what you are ignorant about that time will show you

reality will come to you in a way that you haven't that a person he says that's a person will come to you with the news that you did not pay your property but such is time it will do it it will show it to you why he says the ending of that

foreign you know this poem this part of it i learned this when i was in that you know that i so it's probably about 20 years ago wow honestly it's like it's such an amazing line if you're going to learn a certain couple of certain lines from arabic poetry this is definitely one he says and and such people will come and be the be you know the kind of the bearers of news that you have never traded with you don't know them from anyway but such is time

it's amazing uh and this actually comes in a hadith i'll share that with you in a moment as well but this legend of a man dies at this very young age and and what this letter that he carries became known as the letter of al-muttalamis so people in time to come would name this phenomenon that if i'm sending a letter with you that when you get there it says you know kill the messenger that kills the bearer of this letter this notice

this became a tactic and it became it took on the name or sahih fatal because his uncle was called his uncle actually gets away he runs and then seeks refuge with the hassan in busra and then he writes poetry dissing all the lachman kings and kind of absolutely humiliating them um but and he and he does he really laments his his nephew's loss and speaks about him and tarafa dies at this young age but leaves behind such a rich legacy full of wisdom even though he was only 26 or 27

that goes on right till our very age and this this poem of his that's even so it's so so when you think about it from that era of sadness right down to even the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam said this poem these words and you today here are kind of saying them

that time will teach you about that which you today remain ignorant of allah i have to say there is honestly splendor and strength in stories so i hope that's been of some benefit let me share um the uh let me share uh the link and get some of you guys on then we wrap this up okay

all right let me just check what is the time ah all right we gotta wrap this up as well all right oh once i've shared the link this hadith um it's interesting actually just as a phenomenon um there are several hadith that the prophet sallallahu islam cited this poem or at least this part of the of the stanzas

now i it comes in termithi i believe in the edible mufrad of bukhari it's in it's in a bunch of other uh narrations as well what's interesting i'll tell you is there is a narration that comes in um [Music] the muslim of um sorry in um i believe it's in the uh the museum of abdullah okay so um it comes there but it's transmitted through uh abdul razak that

that the prophet sallam tried to read this poem and got it wrong it comes in the tafsir of this ayah in surah okay that we did not teach in poetry and it was not befitting of him now this does not mean the prophet salallahu was not a poet and he wasn't interested in poetry he had an incredibly serious task at hand that completely immersed the prophet's attention and his life since prophethood so

he wasn't interested in poetry but he didn't um he wasn't averse to poetry as some people feel maybe to certain poetry that was just about um you know humiliating people and things like that all that was glorifying um superstition and and that kind of stuff but otherwise the prophet said in the hadith indeed wisdom is found in poetry and some people maybe out of a love for the prophet sallallahu alaihi and trying to distance him from poetry

when they transmitted this they said that oh he got it wrong so in this transmission that you find with abdul razak he says this line that the prophet he says the whole poem um so it's got the poem wrong like it's saying the same meaning but it's not in the poetic and then abu bakr radhila in this trans in this narration corrects the prophet he says

allah it's not this it's actually and then the prophet says oh don't you know uh allah never taught me poetry and it doesn't befit me you see in some ways and i'm kind of reading into the uh the minds of these people narrating this maybe they're coming from a place of love for the prophet salallahu al-islam that they are trying to distance the prophet even further from poetry you see that they're trying to say well oh we don't want people to say that the prophet knew poetry so let's distance

him further and somewhere along the line maybe somebody has um has manipulated this narration or they've mistold it to say oh and the prophet got the poem wrong you see and and that is a misplaced love you see because the prophet sallallahu alaihi sallam even he wasn't a poet but he was aware of his surroundings he knew that people said poetry he'd heard many poems whilst growing up because that was the thing it's like

you know somebody may not be into movies today or into tv series or into but they've heard of them they know what they are they will know i know what breaking bad is about i know what you know i don't know lost all these other uh different tv series they know what they are about whether they've watched them or not because they are a part of that social fabric this in no way takes detracts in fact it really shines a light on the prophet sallallahu alaihi um his life that he was a part and parcel of that

so people maybe somebody this is explains this is the rationale behind behind this transmission that where this story comes from because it's a it's absolutely weak this narration and it's been declared weak and many people have clearly said that it's weak and unacceptable but maybe this is some of the rationale behind it that they're trying to that is this love for the prophet and they're trying to put it in a nice light and what's interesting is even imam malik you know ibn bihatim brings in his response he brings the chain going back

to ibaa malik that imam malik says because in this chain you've got from abdul razak mamar from qatada from aisha and he says malik says that honestly this is imam malik he says he says what a guy because mama is this transmitter who has so many narrations and he says he says if only he didn't have this problem he says you know this if only he didn't have this hustler this bad

issue with him this quality if we can call it equality and they say yeah what's this thing and he says he's taking tafsir from qatada because qatada he would transmit on many occasions his tafsir was often unreliable and even in this narration patada is saying directly that aisha says this obviously qatar has never met so you can see this tradition

and you could see maybe people along the way may be doing it with a good intention to kind of add value to the prophet but the prophet salallahu alaihi sallam is in such value we it's not our place to add value he is already so valued we don't need to distort any of the facts to try to to think that it will make him more valuable the prophet is already incredibly valuable beautifully valuable to us as he is we don't need to manipulate anything and and imam malik correcting that there as

well saying that look this it's just wow it's a gem and it is the narration is that the prophet did say at least half of the line and he didn't say mistakenly he knew the line he said he said that you know time will teach you what you are ignorant of this line from people right let's move on let's get some people let's see alright then we can wrap this up

right so all right who have we got here right what's this oh no this is my um the clip let me remove that we've got khalil all right let's add us all right how's it going let me put my headset too so you can alright so we can both sit like pilots i like it

alright so khalil where are you joining us from first of all i'm uh in montreal back in canada alright montreal 11 45 pm are you a student are you

yeah so like uh audio post production for movies i can capture sound wow create some stuff later you can see my portfolio but yeah you know what message me wow calligraphy as well man of many talents had just said about that poem that you know a friend here you've got a skilled person you have to at the end of this you have to drop me a message on instagram we'll keep uh connected this

sounds very useful i don't know how that will be useful but it sounds i can help you out with your videos so talk to us is there any share some enlighten us with some thoughts or a question or what's what's going on what's preoccupying your precious mind well like i've been wondering about the subject of tahanuth about prophets before before the prophethood and about like breathing meditation in general because i'm not finding a lot of like uh info about the subject where like yeah if breathing was like uh such a like a

important uh thing to do in a lot of civilizations from like if you have read like the book called breath the new science of lost art it's quite allah allah's art a lost art so oh lost art okay wow okay wow no i it sounds very interesting i'm interested i would suggest to read and uh like i've found some stuff for the sufis uh i think there is like the from uh the nakshbandit but other than that it's very ambiguous and you can't like really find specific exercises but i i've been wondering

what's like um is there anything have you come across any uh i i i'm totally with you i am as intrigued um you know soulfully with this uh with this this whole genre if it's a genre or category of the hannover and what is because the prophet sallallahu alaihi would definitely not only practice this mindfulness let's say whatever it was but this mindfulness

but not only practice it but it was necessary for us the pre-runner to set like the stepping stone the stage yeah the stepping stone for the prophet to become uh at the makam of prophethood so he you know to to i'm not saying that people that would do this would become prophets but the prophet himself it was the kind of the the the readiness to it and um obviously as islam came you know dawned on the stage it had

a huge task at hand you know as the quran says this is like a heavy task you know it's almost breaking your back the burden of it so yes i get it that the task at the hand at the task at hand sorry was so immense that the attention had to be focused on on that and it was no longer you know it wasn't at leisure to be about well just about just mindfulness and people uh so this kind of fell out of focus i guess with maybe it carried on but

people companions generally or the self don't speak so much about it so maybe over maybe it was there maybe people were still doing it but not it was just on the outskirts of on the periphery because a lot's going on you know people are all this is going on and people are converting battles and wars and poverty and setting up a society and structuralizing it and having systems in place and so yeah so maybe it just fell to the periphery and then kind of fell off the landscape as time went by but it seems to have been picked up again by the sufi

some of the sufic practices especially um some of the the eastern sufik practices and um i think like you mentioned the nakshbandis and i think some others as well maybe some of them the the shadows in north africa i think some of them do but like it's in another form like the breathing is another form it's not the hannah exactly it's not like emptying the self i think i heard somebody explaining to hannah as emptying the self from like uh idols and stuff and focusing on god and i think is it in practice as in itself because in the in the east

you see a lot of them some of sorry not a lot but okay or a lot of the people who were focusing in on this zeroing in on this practice they saw this as a a tradition a technique so it's a bit like saying um well like martial artist exactly i was just about to say martial arts i was just about because i was just about to say it's like martial arts people who use this for a a method now for an objective because this is pre-islam the prophet is practicing this so

now a lot of them in india they saw that were zeroing in on this they saw that well actually the yogis have this as a meditative practice so it's not a it's not religious in and of itself focusing on the breath it's an instrument so you see many of them adapting the yogic kind of indian practices to the islamic paradigm so they take some of the chakra points and they bring them over and they call them yes so they call them

the sixth chakra their kind of points i know the chakra points are seven but they kind of bring their rendition to it they kind of touch like they it's like trial and error they're practicing that kind of like and i've read some of them speak about um the the breath and the practicing until you um [Music] kind of can feel this vibration and i've read in some places i've only read in english where they speak of so for example auring zeb's brother who was uh da rashiko oh yeah yeah he was eventually executed by

he's a question yeah so he has some works and i've read from some of those extracts where he's speaking about the breath and about the humming sound hmm and he likens this to being very so he highlights the importance of this this vibrational this hum which he says is the kind of the humdrum of existence and when people hum into it they kind of uh syncing their vibrational frequency with the humdrum of reality yeah that's a quite interesting point about like when i study sound and

like audio and all that stuff it's like it's an interesting point how much like sound affects the human body and uh like how it affects like our our physiology and our mood and some music like will bring you into like a state of like happiness or even darkness some like they're exactly that's amazing is it you know i'll tell you you know this years ago my uh my little zara

she's now seven okay but when she was just i think three or something so at that time i was sitting here once and i can't remember there was something on um and it was just like i think it was just poetry or something but it was instrumental music actually i think it was instrumental and and i'm sitting here and she must have zozo must have come in and and it's interesting she said to me that she said because at that time she was just speaking and stuff and and she said that makes me she said that makes me sad

and and i remember being really kind of like intrigued that what does and she said that music it makes me sad and and i was like wow like like i thought because it kind of hit me that you see without a context without there was nothing like visually sad like you can see it from like like yeah it's from the vitra permits like like our access to that realm and i even notice it with my niece so like it's she's listening to music she's like barely two years old and she dances to any rhythm like naturally like she moves and she

laughs when like the music is fun and stuff like that yeah that they can tell that yeah yeah it's really really interesting but to to go back to the point of vomiting we even like have that effect when we say i mean in general and like yeah everybody says it looks like elongated and everybody and it creates time like that vibration everybody's like silent after that and it's true you know even just this this kind of that that beat thing that vibration in in many ways i i was saying this a bit earlier on today that i remember on youtube you can

click the earth for kind of vibrational frequency it's kind of frequency sound that it's people have these yeah there's somebody like that did like a composition how the stars are moving and he created like a composition from there like the frequency they're moving in and like created notes from it there's a ted talk uh i'll send you this in a link later because one could you see what one could kind of extract from these is if we take it down that existence comes into reality

by an utterance the quran saying it's an utterance of kun this just be and if you're taking utterance to it's kind of like a reducti like a reductionist form it's just vibration that is giving rise to reality and everything beginning with just vibration and in some ways you could say well that's also in some ways like the big bang is this vibration of energy that

releases this whole energy it was like a huge sound but we can't hear this we like we don't know how it sounded or how it like how it was yeah we don't need to do wondering but it must have had it must have had a vibration at the very you know the whole the whole fusion begins with some kind of vibration isn't it and then obviously explodes even like we we as humans cannot even like access like the full scale of like the sound frequencies if you know so we can like hear from 20 hertz to 20 000 hertz but there's like lower than that there's like the sub frequencies and

there's like high frequencies and uh like whales will will communicate with like higher frequencies that we like barely here like the end of their spectrum or like the beginning of their spectrum and they go even higher like you can say like also dogs will like have like sharper hearing than humans they will hear like more detail but like i remember you know on that i remember this study into kind of like the uh infrasound and they were explaining that like you mentioned at 20 kind of decibels we start but certain creatures

will communicate at a sub frequency so let's say at 19 18 now what they found in a particular study that certain people they sometimes get a um like they get a very scary feeling and they can't explain why they escape they call it the fear frequency the fear yes so but yeah but but the study that kind of led to or the one that i was reading that led to to highlighting this was that there was this alleged haunted basement so these uh in this kind of uh office uh um kind of building where

whoever would go in there they would kind of freak out and they would think that did they see something or and they would freak out but they wouldn't like they couldn't see anything but everybody that went in there and there was this kind of like this old uh storage or whatever they had there so there was this rumor about this being haunted so eventually what happens is um they get it all checked out and people are trying to see what is it but everybody that or many people that go they freak out and they don't know why they're freaking out they think they've seen something or they think they can't see and they they they just so this ominous and then it turns out that there was

some operators some upper i can't remember some equipment that was emitting a an infra frequency sound sound yeah sub frequency so it was at like 19 uh decibels so we couldn't hear it but humans have evolved they were showing that um especially to safeguarders from let's say things like elephants or certain attacks where animals were communicating but we couldn't see them but we could still pick it up as a defense mechanism to know something's wrong

yeah and we would kind of we would know to to move out of that territory and we still have this as a vestige kind of uh ability and modality but we we're unaware of it so i found that so fascinating yeah indeed but like i have like a couple points to add on that like uh you know um why i called it fear frequency because uh there's like an article when i was studying sound and the teacher was showing us like how like we're teaching us about sub frequencies and uh all that stuff he told us like interestingly they discovered that like

uh tigers and lions in general when they growl the lowest frequency in their growl is 19 hertz and that helps paralyze their prey and uh i find it quite interesting and uh on top of that like you talked about the haunted house in in horror movies where they used to like make you feel eerie and like uncomfortable in those like horrific scenes or like they're gonna jump scare you they will use a sub frequency in mixing the movie so like they will add a track frequency so you can like they make you feel oh my god this movie makes me want to throw up and like wow

afraid like it will trigger like you're logical that's amazing isn't it that's so i i on one way you just got the amount of hard work going into it i love it wow yeah that's amazing because you know when you said about tigers i remembered it did mention amongst elephants it mentioned tigers as well they're communicating in these uh sub frequencies wow but yeah wow khalil it's been it's been epic uh i really enjoyed this um so yeah definitely do send me a

message on uh instagram and let's let's kind of stay connected um and definitely we'll catch up and we'll talk a lot more about this i'm definitely enjoying that so shukran for joining take care what a discussion right there on sound uh we've got

sorry about that ages i haven't heard that laughter yeah yeah yeah it's been so long i'm i'm currently in turkey istanbul right now something happened to one eye oh no i was always like this yeah oh no no no sorry i got it i got a scuffle [Laughter]

you weren't getting it oh thank god now you got it now finally finally you're like this guy's this guy's like bottom set he's like you know like the special educational yeah you know like i have to i have to teach you about fakes in minecraft you know and you know you know uh it's so cool it's so cool on youtube that's so cool though yeah speaking of the the yeah the pigs in minecraft we actually spoke today about cats eating halal food yeah like you know companies this was a discussion today about the you know feeling guilty about the cat is it

eating a halal mouse or is it i just thought that was so so kind of like hilarious yeah yes so what what have you been up to wilkins what have you been up to well um well i came to turkey about three months ago are you in turkey now last we spoke you were in morocco that's right yeah so i left and i came to turkey in 30th november and i'm going to i'm about to go to georgia so i'm going to leave turkey in about a week yeah yeah yeah yeah i just decided i'll travel around if not this is proper

i'll i'm loving it yeah basically you know [Laughter] you know that's an amazing uh you know like a travel agency brochure right there do you want the full ibm experience so you want that those that don't know ibn

wherever he would settle uh in between he would have to kind of obviously not only experience the local cuisine but he'd have to marry into the locals but you know i know i'm laughing about her um but

what gave you that impression okay okay uh but you know you know i i uh you know i woke up this morning it's like it's three hour uh turkey's three hours ahead of the uk by the way so sure yeah so it's it's a good time anyway doesn't matter uh i was listening to you and you know also i haven't been watching you for months now but it's nice when i paint i came back sorry about it

it wasn't nice putting a full stop there you go you know i haven't been watching you for months it's nice [Laughter] but it's nice that i come back to you that was the new sentence yeah that's it and it's nice that even though i'm in a very different headspace than i was a few months ago i still feel that i can resonate with

what you're saying and stuff like that and yeah i find i find that amazing because i i thought that i thought that now a lot of things in my mind have internally changed my relationship with my faith has changed this stuff like that okay but but still still relationships have changed as well my relationships have changed too so and i'm just thinking i just i'm just happy that you know i can still resonate with what you're saying that what you're saying still resonates with me it's not that you have to resonate with everyone but uh at least for now you resonate with me so that's great you know

i have to say that's like the kind of that's like one of the most like i don't know like surprising different kind of compliments you still resonate with me for now so it's like a proper backhand compliment

we have fun yeah because i i was i wanted to mention i want to mention a couple of things before i ask the questions right so the first thing is you know you told the story about my columbus and it's just i thought i felt this like nostalgia because i actually you've told that story before oh yes you've told it before and i because i can remember it because like i was playing i used to uh many months ago i used to watch you while playing other games like minecraft or uh i was watching on on on the ps uh playing one stuff

and i can remember playing once maybe i was saying that was it from like the monday nights before i think like yeah i think so because i don't think i've said it in this meaning with mound thing but i think you didn't say in this much i think i feel like i've gone into more detail i definitely yeah this was a lot more detail yeah yeah yeah but i i i remember because i was playing once the hunter i i can even remember the mission i was on in monster hunter well listen you know so that it was like it was a nice nostalgia feeling you know anyways and then also to add to the the sub frequency thing you were having

so in japan in the arcades they play a particular frequency of sound to keep animals away and to keep young uh teenagers away because teenagers at their ears are still sensitive they can heard this particularly so the arcades in japan they actually do this but if your hearing is not good it doesn't bother you but for some people whose hearing is sensitive it actually hurts them yeah so yeah so so so it just has the old people in the end and the deaf right and you got all the the deaf youngsters are wandering in like aimlessly exactly exactly but that's that's a genius idea

though not about the deaf people but about this idea about the yeah the younger uh people from but uh but just got on with my questions yeah um yeah let's go with my questions now so so you were saying you know like i was like impressed with tough you know and you said he has so much wisdom and i was kind of impressed that a lot of his wisdom like you said was echoed in in the the you know from the prophet as well right

how how did he have such an amazing wisdom at such a young age because i'm yeah this is yeah because he is traveling or is it because like yeah you know uh he's seen as incredible like for such a young man because when he passes he's either 27 or 26 or something yeah now for somebody so young to have so much wisdom because you know when you hear his poems he's talking about life and battles and he's talking about you know

what the time will tell you i feel that you know in many parts of the world historically supreme modernity um there was uh and and it was more amplified in some places than others that there was not really much of an uh infantilized period for children so children had an incredibly like so they had a stage of just sheer dependency so let's say they're five years old you know they're just really dependent but

as soon as they came of some uh electricity no even no no before that i feel like let's say this seven that they can now talk understand things i feel that they they had to start contributing uh contributing to the household chores and kind of the the survival uh like old like hans fairy tales for example uh when i was younger and these are like and brothers these are you see like the boys were 12 but they're like his biggest men in some cases and and and he said that they

expected to get married and simply i don't know i don't know about i'm not saying they physically looked like i know some of them [Music] when i was in pakistan many years ago studying i remember going with uh this one time with my uncle and we stopped off at this garage so there's this mechanic and so they go uh so they call a lot of even in some of the arab world they'll call people like let's say ustad yeah like teacher you know it doesn't mean but

they'll call like a mechanical start they'll call a baba ustad uh so so they uh so they're saying look uh ustad kobala called the ustadio the mechanic the main you know called the main man of the garage so so this this guy comes and whatever and he's like and so we think it's him and he's like no he's like he's coming so he moves and there's this literally like this 11 year old or a 12 year old who's like he's down here and he's kind of and and he comes and he's like uh he's kind of drinking this water or something and he's like and he's talking and his mannerisms are as though he's an adult he's like

don't worry about it we'll get it sorted uh it's probably this thing uh tell him to line it with him and i'm just looking at this kid and i'm looking at my uncle that and he's acting like a like his mannerisms are as though he's an adult so he'll be like and he's kind of drinking this bottle and he's putting it down like an adult would and he's like don't worry about it give us give us an hour we'll get this fixed and and so i as we walked away i said to my uncle i was like what the hell that's a kid and and he said yeah but you know but it's a common phenomenon there that you get people that they

they kind of take on that role then they kind of act into it as well they act like they grow except they're just like mini adults so they they'll just act like talk like adults and swear like you know they'll do the whole the kind of whole spiel but yeah i think what you're exposed to really changes you because i feel like for example my father was quite open to me about sexual matters for example even when i was as young as seven yeah he would talk to me about sex and stuff like that and i feel like that had that made me more if you if you need if you're in any danger just blink twice

i don't know should we send it should we send the back of it i don't know i can't tell whether both his eyes are blinking okay just just close both eyes and i'll know to send some help [Laughter] but i do feel like you know it it definitely helped because like there are so many uh and and but then you know i i was once reading this science fiction story yeah and the world is ending and all of that and the in this part of the book um uh they're in the hospital room the the

mothers in the bed the children that they're now the adults are about to talk about some serious stuff so the the father takes the children out of the room and i was thinking why are they sheltering or cocooning their children from this discussion you know why you know what and even another scene um they're underground and the elevator to the underground has uh collapsed right and they're all kind of trapped down there yeah again the parents don't really tell the children what's going on they just kind of keep the children kind of like calm and stuff like that but i just feel like what is this infant and obviously is

written by an american and i feel like there is this culture in america um to protect children from anything that will harm them anything that will hurt their feelings you know and i feel that's weird that's money cuddling right you know you know but what's your opinion i'm not a father but you are so what's your opinion about the [ __ ] right okay so to kind of cuddle the children and i feel that right um are we talking about sexual stuff because i think i think it's instinctual so i think it's instinctual to uh want to prevent protect children from harm and to

protect every like yourself and the near and dear and especially the vulnerable i think it's instinctual but then so now what happens is so let's say that's a horizon it's kind of like so okay so there's some things which are clear ostensible uh ostensibly harmful okay so that's understandable clearly and then as the kind of that this gradient comes down i think it comes to a point where people may not be sure but maybe they just feel some unsettled nature about it so they it's still part of that gradient for them even though it's not

maybe harmful like how you know protecting them from kidnappers and preventing them from you know protecting them from all of this stuff that comes down and then you think well okay what about because are we talking about the sexual awareness and knowledge around yeah yeah why not yeah yeah so yeah yeah so but i do think because it is like because people find out kids find out of course nowadays with the internet you know so yeah [Music] yeah they do find out and you'd rather i get it but it is a um it's it's you see nobody this is the

thing you know earlier on we were we were speaking about relationships and i said that you see nobody teaches us how to handle relationships and equally nobody really teaches us how to parent because there's always a uniqueness to your scenario because even the child even you are in many ways you i mean there's this you know with this generalization we're all humans and so on but we're very unique as well in some ways like a particular kind of personality and so on so nobody teaches us what is and i and i don't i'm not saying there is a perfect

way to do it but we're kind of winging it along the way and people i don't know like they think well hmm at what point do we talk about certain things and and how so for example public display of affection this is another uh how much affection should be displayed in front of the kids yeah yeah so i don't know i guess this is a a debate you know it's a discussion and some people they may be zero you know even sitting on the same sofa maybe like what the hell are you doing

woman sitting here can't you see there's kids here you know i mean if you if you go back a few decades to maybe holding hands to some people is too much to maybe putting your arm around having a hug maybe a peck maybe a kiss maybe a full-on kiss to some people maybe i don't know like what you see and cultural culture will [Laughter]

you see i don't know because culture will kind of shape uh to some extent uh definitely i think it will be the greatest actually maybe one of the greatest denominators in in kind of singling in con in result in kind of creating a consequence of that a result of that so you know i mean what are your thoughts do you feel uh um you know i i i prefer societies to have that because you know i've been did you do you mind me asking and it doesn't have to be or you don't have to answer at all but

when you grew up because you said your father was uh very open about discussing uh sexual matters was pda ver like a public display um at home something very normal they kept it in the bedroom anyway so you know so well okay well that's that's yeah you know just the way that was said

well so long as they didn't have you in the bedroom whilst they kept it unfortunately they didn't lock the door you know so anyway you're joking now this ladies and gentlemen is the consequence if you don't hide it away you're gonna have your child wandering around the globe

oh god yeah no yeah but yeah i i i'm it's one of those things that i'm uh i i'd like to learn more about and how people because it's it's honestly i i genuinely feel like i don't know what is the you know how do you how do people do it i i'm curious about that yeah i'm curious about how do they not how do they do it how do they i'm talking about the pda the public

if you need you know a few tutorials on youtube yeah but you know the the thing you know you know they say traveling really opens your mind and i i've experienced that honestly because like you and and even subtle things you you start to reflect on i'll give you an example just to highlight the point yeah so yeah obviously i use airbnb to travel and in

fact in istanbul i've stayed in like five places i was moving around so i've been in i'm currently in the city center but i was in different parts of istanbul for the past three months and so there were apartments that i stayed in uh and and there are multiple rooms in one plant or one apartment and so the the owner would often rent out men and women right so you know and so [Music] you're seeking you're seeking out multiple occupants at the same time but they had to be no it's not even it's not even clear on the airbnb like you just think you're uh renting out a room but you don't know

who the other options are or whatever and you don't know that it's mixed you just don't know because it's not obvious on the airbnb page but you go there and you find that there are other occupants and and like like for example like i said so there was one place that was that had an american woman and a thai lady as well right you know and yeah and they all and you know each had our own room and it was interesting to see what that felt like because for me i was like ooh i'm living with two women great but uh no but it but it felt honestly honestly it felt normal you know it felt but it didn't feel didn't feel sexual and the fact that each other on the moon

gave us a sense of privacy despite sharing an apartment together you know like uh even and in every place i've been and i've had my own room and i've had i've had that sense of privacy and it made me reflect on um you know my own situation when like because when i was living in the uk and i had to live in i had to find my own place to live my brother and his wife wouldn't allow me to live with them and they quoted religious reasons which was crap but uh and then and then she also the wife was saying oh i need my privacy and even though they would have had the room for themselves and i would have had a room

for myself if i had lived with them yeah and that would have been sufficient for privacy and i i'm experiencing that it is sufficient for privacy i'm experiencing how easy it is or how normal it feels just to live with others could i ask though could i ask that you see is there a uh just to kind of unwrap that slightly that is there a distinction between people living uh as singles and people living as a couple because if you're so for example you've got let's say three single individual strangers

who are living in a room so i'm living in my room you're living in your room somebody's living in their room and we may have a [ __ ] kitchen and lounge and maybe a shade bathroom i don't know or maybe not now but then let's say we're a couple here and now somebody's and would that change the dynamics because i think you may i lived in a previous place yeah and this place had like five rooms right uh and in fact there was a couple that lived in one of the rooms there was a russian and a russian lady and chinese man right um yeah and yeah and she was

the the room was upstairs uh yeah and honestly it felt like there was no uh although there was one time where she was in the bathroom and i kind of opened the door and yeah she hadn't locked the bathroom so yeah so i had to cook so that's what happened that didn't happen well i didn't see her does that explain does that explain the eye

thank god i didn't see her again otherwise my other eye would have gone but could i could i ask here could i ask just adding to that what are the uh because you were in the uk previously or in a different country uk was the first scenario because yeah you see what how would you uh juxtapose the houses that you're staying in in istanbul uh can take into consideration privacy with a uk house because i find it depends

yeah because i find that the uk houses even if they're spacious but they're not actually that kind of private for separate entities of people because when i've lived abroad i've seen that like one room is here and the other person you know yes that's the kind of yeah it is in turkey one room is there one room is there so it's like it's like so far apart yeah you almost feel so doesn't that change the dynamic of sharing space because you're still kind of in your own a little bit but and yeah i admit that i admit that the point here though is that is

it you know this is one of the reasons why my my relationship to faith has changed in my relationship to religious people i've changed because religious people and it comes back to this idea of guilt and suffering a lot of people use their religion as a way of self-torture yeah a self and and this is the thing that i and i've done this to myself you know i i i can say finally i i feel like i can live almost feel free you know uh you know but for a long time i've been living with a lot of a lot of guilt you know about you know oh i'm sinning oh i'm committing sin oh i need to be a better muslim i don't want to ever incur god's wrath

and so on and so forth you know and yeah and then a lot of people sorry it's just the way you're saying that but like you were saying but like you were saying you know and and i feel like you know the truth of the matter because i noticed as well in many of your um discussions when when people ask you a question like music you say well it can't you can take whatever

interpretation helps you i guess but the reality is the truth is god's perspective i i think i'm thinking about it now maybe god doesn't have one perspective but it doesn't matter the point is the truth lies somewhere right and uh and you know it's either must it well because it could be uh it could just be interpretation yeah it could be a continuous spectrum no i mean i mean i mean absolute truth i mean i'm not talking about because because there's this truth that we can be that because we we don't have we have ways of trying to in epistemology like we have ways of trying to figure out the truth but the truth is

something we're just sitting here as ignorant fools trying to figure this stuff out right and sure the truth but the truth could be for example structure as opposed to the what fills the structure well it could be so so for example like let's say somebody uh you're trying to um i don't know like you're trying to teach people so you say well okay i'm going to teach them this to this or you've got this lesson to fill it in with something now that may be the reality and maybe what you fill it in with is just something that helps them it's not really an issue of truth yeah

but helpful it's helpful is something which i i guess that might be the nietzschean uh definition of truth as well but if truth is something which brings good to you but yeah but okay sorry carry on yeah but yeah in any case i do feel with faith i'm not talking about religion because we listen to this separate from faith i i feel you know because religion is the construct and then faith is something that's inside that kind of it's kind of like the fuel to practice religion i i feel like so faith is the more primordial aspect of the whole thing um

i feel uh what was i gonna say yeah faith shouldn't be something that you beat yourself with or that you torture yourself with or that you feel guilty about and i feel that if you are becoming depressed if you are feeling guilty i feel like there's some something you misunderstood something honestly you know and you know and that is something that needs to be worked on and you know there are there's something i realized and take it as you will we feel guilty about actions that we perceive are wrong meaning if we don't consider those actions to be wrong automatically the guild kind of vanishes right so there are many there are many

cases where we can talk about masturbation as an example right for you i remember you you have a video about you know the video but you need to finish this sentence because i do not know about all these features we now have come out after many years saying oh master bishop it's okay it's okay you know and it's like okay but for years they were saying it's haram you know and you know i'm sure a lot of people struggle with this you know it was something that i personally struggled with you know uh not anymore but uh no but the thing is but the thing is like honestly well

we ain't we all at ease knowing that we're now yeah yeah you know yeah so that but the thing is the thing is like it's it it's the point here is that something like for example i mean to use a really weird example but like serial killers right they don't think murder is wrong but that's why that's why they do it yeah but my point my point to them that may be a that may be a pathology though like an actual yeah yeah sure

like you know like how the vikings how they you know their way of burial you know they thought it was correct but then i i don't know it wasn't it but it was someone else another travel writer and then and then and then they were like well we find it crazy that you bury your dead like isn't that humiliating you know so you know so just wait our morality i think absolutely you know there's a a comment here i'll just bring it up there's there were two by the same person actually raheem um where he said uh perhaps uh guilt and shame based cultures and and he had a similar one where he had said uh different cultures and places of different boundaries and

taboos i think that's very well said uh by rahim and i think what it's highlighting is that there are many so i think there's there's different components to this discussion that this um you know what actually on a side note i'd like to say how about um i mean i'll carry on with this but how about we get you on a mine trap and yeah i can unpack a lot of things i wanted to i wanted to offer that i didn't think uh i was worthy ready to come to your yourself of course you you'd laugh your way into it

yeah yeah i want you the worthiness honestly i would love i would love to i would love to okay you know what we'll do that uh when we finish this uh send me a message on insta's a quick way and then we'll talk up on what's up and we'll we'll be connected and we'll set that up okay so uh because i have not sent you messages on instagram but i haven't i might i'm receiving yeah so what to what to do send them but if you feel they're not just catch my attention you'll you'll catch it just drop a comment and then drop a message or something you'll catch my attention

and i'll i'll look out for your page and we'll say but coming back to to this to kind of like seal this discussion i think that look at these cultures in our mind for that because of that yeah i think that would be epic saudi arabia i've grown up in the uk i've lived in different i've even gone to kuwait i've lived in different countries so i feel like i have something to say and i said let's do that you know what let's let's unpack that there because i think there's different components here this there's the element of culture so culture does shape a certain it clearly shapes boundaries to some to some extent and it shapes taboos so

but then also also you may find um people so so for example let's come back to this point of shared accommodation so you will find many people now let's say um many migrant communities like let's say this is coming from india pakistan bangladesh places like that where they lived for you know forever in like these shared extended families you know grandparents all the brothers all the wives all the kids and obviously they it was normal whole kind of extended families and now they're still trying it but obviously the culture here is clashing

and it's a struggle so you may get people from the same community some of them saying look now this is like like let's say you said oh i want to live with my brother and his my sister-in-law or and his wife but the the problem is they're saying no you know this is too imposing on our privacy yeah yeah the other the other component in this is that sometimes you will get perfectly healthy people who uh not to say that these people ain't healthy but people who are in this context are totally healthy but when they take on religion so for example they convert to islam i was

speaking in one of my uh perspective sessions with with uh with someone my one-to-ones from patreon and he's a convert to islam for for for a good while now but he this isn't the first i've spoken to other people as well who had converted the reason convert is significant here is because they don't come from a culture where this was already there so it's important because it then it can be kind of focused on that what they found was the the minutia of detail this kind of like you have to do this like this this like this this like this put your hand over

the hand on this do this do that make sure this every year is washed make sure this make sure it resulted in a kind of religious uh religionized pathology that they kind of found themselves and and they will describe to you that they before weren't this kind of a person that was for example guilt driven right they weren't worried about guilt before like they like that let's say and some of these guys like so let's take this one person as an example anonymous but he was from a religious he wasn't so religious but he came from a religious background he wasn't an atheist

but okay they never had so many to do's and don'ts but he never had this kind of guilt and now then not right now but then he found himself becoming very killed uh burdened and laden with like oh my god has this happened oh my god ocd and he wasn't like that so and and now you see some psychologists will speak about religious ocd as a separate genre because it seems to um but then you could say there are certain people who have religion and they don't get into ocd i think i think

we go through that phase i think you went through that phase in your twenties and i've gone through that phase as well in my early 20s and i feel like i've gone out of that like right now all i care about are just simply the five pillars you know these other do's and don'ts as it were yeah i'm i feel like if i uh want to do the donuts i'll do them if i don't want to do the dance i won't eat them it's like so it will be as i like so as i feel basically that that's what i've decided for myself right but i will try and maintain the pillows because i do feel uh just inside that allah does want us to do those things like the prayers no but look

there are things structure is important in life just as routine just a structure and having some structure even like as a ritual it serves as a kind of anchor even if in the moment you kind of do it robotically and mechanically but maybe later on you will start to see ah well actually you know it's a it's an anchor point for me so i feel that it has it's it's very i agree with you you share it's very valuable and incredibly important you know what uh so okay let's what we'll

but if we do a minecraft minecraft let's do a minecraft let's do one yeah i want to definitely do it i mean i'm you know i'm going to travel on the 25th i i doubt we'll be able to do in the next couple of weeks right but maybe uh why not i mean if let me know if you want to do it in the next couple of weeks we'll do in the next couple of weeks it's cool yeah sure i mean yeah uh honestly you know at any time anytime's great yeah you know drop me a message then yeah and we'll and then we'll connect from there right so we'll take it from there cool

all right it's been epic likewise it's been wonderful and yeah as always refreshing don't disturb those those are the guests as much let them be [Laughter]

that was muhammad wilkinson and we've gone on way too long whoa we gotta wrap this up so guys it's been epic shukran um you know i i really do love honestly just uh sometimes what happens is the day comes wednesday and it's it ends up being hectic and i think oh god you know uh and once i get started i really do love it i love the interactions i love just just just sharing that space it is space it's a shared space between us all and yeah and just the the feel of it

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