Monday Nights with Mufti Abu Layth: Session 143

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Muhammad's a job and Yasir Qadhi I haven't actually now somebody did send me that discussion they said that look do you want to check this out and so I said I will but I just haven't been checking it out you know something I I'll tell you something I actually in a strange way envy no not yes I thought what I was about to say is I envy people who have and hold down a routine like us just a

consistent routine in life always I've always the only consistency I have is just inconsistency in in terms of different things weather and I mean by that not just work I mean by that lifestyle food supplementary intakes I mean anything like I just have honestly I think blood yell like oh people happy they have it I mean it is monotonous and I'm sure boring as hell probably why I

don't do it but I sometimes kind of envious I think wow like if only if things were that simple then do you just be awesome but it's just no no I don't know people I don't know well salud all right please in the a Louis alum clay you doing it you did for Han he said eat sleep no how many jobs routine he's fight no you know my thoughts on

Muhammad a job and that kind of Dawa scene is that you see I to be faith I'm to be fair like if I try to be fair at this moment in time I don't know whether my opinion will change as it often does right so but in this moment in time my assessment of people like Muhammad hijab he said you know he is very you know he's very intelligent he's articulate can express himself he's obviously got a passion obviously why else is he doing

all of this so it's taking a lot of the boxes and to be fair I I think I think and I don't follow him too closely you see so this is the I could be wrong here so if if I'm caught out on this there's a you know disclaimer I think he has a level you know like he has maturity of thought although recently I saw a clip of his where he said something about I'm you know I I decide to be more angry with my opponents on purpose so I shout at them and I kind of dominate them in

the like so this is with his eighth he's had a few recent atheist or I think mainly atheist maybe they were Christian as well kind of dialogues and he's been quite aggressive in some of them you know like he started shouting raising his voice speaking down at the person and there was somebody sent me a clip of his we he's asked why you know is this something you're aware of is this a reaction what what is this and he said you know I do this purposely because I

because Allah says that we should be high against the crew for those who are challenging Islam we should dominate them and be harsh and if if that's what he meant you see by that I mean I'm just trying to you know maybe he's got an he didn't mean it I'm trying to give some kind of an exit here but if that's what he meant that is utterly nonsensical and unacceptable that's not true that Allah teaches us that for example we can met because he said he uses the verse of the

Quran that you will never find those who believe in a line is messenger you were the Lavina katha rule that they now he said that they are friends now you word is from the verb the third film of Allah which is a reciprocal a kind of way you have another person involved and it's to do from the word would about love that you are kind of expressing this overwhelming love for them and but he said in his interview that Allah saying you can't be friends with them unless

they don't those who challenge Islam in any way so if an atheist is challenging the validity of Islam then you cannot be friends with him that verse definitely is not saying anything like that okay that is not at all because in all honesty all people to some extent who don't believe in Islam are challenging Islam to some extent they may not be so vocal but at their own level obviously if they believed in Islam they would be Muslim I mean this is given the pretext that they've heard about Islam they would say yeah that's you know some it's

like I might not be openly challenging let's say you know I may not be preoccupied with challenging Hinduism or Sikhism or but ultimately my very lifestyle choice denies it's like I don't agree and I would challenge it at some level sort of what I'm trying to say is if you're not part of something you're ultimately always challenging it but it's maybe you're on a spectrum so it's not true that Muslims sorry non-muslims in the past in the

prophet's lifetime who weren't declaring war against muslims were somehow happy with islam as well that that is not a necessary follow so it doesn't you know that doesn't follow necessarily so we've got they would have been very many people that would have just been like okay you know we're not we don't have animosity against Islam but we think they may have thought it's wrong they may have thought it's dumb they may have thought it's stupid but they may not but they may not have had open animosity against it so so coming back to this

point this verse of the Quran where it says that expressing a love for those people first of all this verse was revealed at a time when Muslims were being attacked and they and the non-muslims were forming allies and a confederation of different tribes to attack the Muslims and you had some people who still had ties with some of those different tribes so Allah was saying that you know you won't find somebody who's in his heart a believer and yet he's got that tribe over the

Muslims their interests best at heart so this is what the rest of the Quran was speaking about it's not speaking about oh you can't be friends with that's stupid because if you can marry Christians and Jews then of course there's gonna be love you know this guy really some kind of love all right so the thing is or at the very least there's gonna be a friendship a kind of friendship so to say that well you know no you must only be harsh against non-muslims and that is utterly unacceptable so I hope that this

was maybe a II kind of like a blunder that you know maybe Muhammad hijab didn't think it through and he just said it all he was trying to say something else and he said that but otherwise I do see in him some maturity of thought and I'm I'm hopeful that maybe in years to come maybe not right now because right now he's still like his kind of the field he's arguing from is a very kind of Salafi esque standpoint and selfies in all honesty cannot stand the chance in front of like think people like atheists

or things like that they cannot stand a chance it doesn't eat the selfie you know the view of looking at things they're doctoring the it's all anthropomorphic the whole thing it doesn't they don't and they would never people of argumentation so you will see even and people like Muhammad hijab or let's say other people like that who are of a selfie kind of background when it comes to arguing they will use a shoddy arguments they will use Martone the arguments because those were the people historically in in muslim sciences who argued for theology the humble he's

didn't they were you know just like a literally steak Julie's people they were I mean they were very harsh but they were never really geniuses of philosophy or theology or things like this but yeah so I want her to say that and I think it's worth noting here that you know this whole thing i wella walbro nila this is a selfie Wahhabi thing right that this thing of we love and we hate for the sake of god this does not exist in our tradition this is a mojave

invention that through mass kind of advertising and a lot of you know petroleum dollars behind this that were they've managed to spread a lot of glossy literature throughout the world that everybody today has heard of this term al Walla Walla Barack Lilla this well Bora is some humble ease mainly wahhabis it's the thing that people like muhammad IBN abdul wahab bases his whole really say movement his insurgency on where he goes around and uses that as a

justification to killer the muslims so you see this thing if you check this up i'll wallah well borrow it's only written by saudi scholars and gulf scholars and Wahhabi scholars nobody else spoke about this kind of thing like this i mean maybe if they were speaking about in a different context and you could kind of extract a thing like a word from there and give it a little but they never spoke like by the way we have al wala wala ah Lilla we hate for the sake of allah we do this we'd like as a belief construct I'm not saying you may find certain

things that won't be said like that but you could see these words in like so for example Allah saying that he doesn't like disbelief he doesn't like the plot of the disbelievers he doesn't in using words like Cora but even then and you'll find Allah saying in Quran that he's buried that the messengers but it is Baraka that they have not no association with the with the people who've gone against the Covenant and so on and this is what Barak means in essence like you a detachment of Association it does not

mean hatred okay but this new thing that we have that oh you must love and hate for the sake of God is it's an innovation in Islam and it is nothing but kind of selfie stroke Wahhabi propaganda so do not buy into things like that so if you see things like that okay cool so yes bro what was a question here what would you say if a seventeen Muslim girl has tattoos according to Islam

I'm not sure what the age that's specificity relevance factories but tattoos in my understanding I've got a detailed video on it or not Haram now I'm not saying it's something that's encouraged by Islam it's not encouraged they're usually more cultural so tattoos being used as a a kind of fashion accessory is quite a recent phenomenon this is probably within the last century or so generally speaking

it's only very recent human beings have been using tattoos for millennia but the they usually used to use them for branding so they were brand slaves Brand cattle they used them for tribal affiliation they used them for tribal kind of patterns they used them so they didn't generally do things like you know get a little butterfly on on the shoulder or something like this they don't do things like this generally throughout history they had tattoos maybe like certain markings and certain things to associate yourself with an in-group versus out-group kind of

mentality I don't believe it's Haram there have been several Malik here who have leaned that way as well from you know from the school of medina others do you feel it's Haram but that's their perspective they take so Berber women yes Berber women still have tattoos a lot of rural Pakistani old women have some tattoos so when when I visited when my grandmother was still alive in the village and she passed away over a decade ago now probably about 14 years ago she passed away and she passed away

at the age of I think 92 or something 93 so she was you know quite old in that sense and and one thing about rural people handle I mean they they you know they especially who lived that lifestyle they maintained their health speaking I mean obviously that you know when somebody's 90 years old in they are they gonna be kind of crunched up and but still walking doing everything herself you know visiting people in the really talking doing this doing that everything so she was still very kind of mobile and my grandfather he passed away

as well he was of a similar kind of age he passed away with just a six-month difference so he passed away first and she passed away six months after him and may Allah grant them and elevated my palm in Jannah now but I with her I remember she had some small dots by the chin that were kind of like tattoo marks so you could see like some small dot it wasn't nothing like a I mean I don't assume it was like a like a beauty accessory because he didn't because it was like a certain kind of icon I recall them correctly now but I remember they

were kind of dots down here like they they were at that time kind of greenish because the ink had kind of gone green I noticed a lot of the elder women had them so the women who were very old and a lot of them had him they had them in their hands as well over here they had like kind of dots and things like this and so you see I think this is the thing that Islam really has just been natural you see to these people Islam was natural to them like they understood what's a lies they understood they had ethics a sense of ethics and they understood that the main thing is

getting through this life and surviving and you know I'm trying to be a decent human being and that's what these people did and I feel that in many ways they without even understanding the intricacies of Islam they had kind of grasped it still by its very roots so if somebody said his gran has the same on her forum exactly so you'll see elderly people have this and it's interesting that you see now this seems to be this new branding of Islam in the Indian subcontinent and I

personally don't like if I'm gonna be honest but I mean who cares what I like or don't like but this seems to be this new kind of this Arabization of the Indo Pak Muslims you see people you have to understand something a few centuries ago only a few centuries ago India's overall economy was it kind of rivaled something like an entire third of the globe

they were so wealthy now this is important because money always plays a significant role not only did they have a huge economy when you look at Muslim numbers so if we take a look at take the numbers today I mean you can read up the numbers historically Muslims in just the Indian subcontinent right they themselves outnumber they they almost probably double almost the entire

Muslims of all Arab nation states now that is something to just think about but that just in the Indian subcontinent than the Muslims they're the entire what is it 30 countries Arab countries the Indian Muslims are probably double that number in population now why why is that why am I saying that you see I'm saying that because the Indian Muslim and by the Indian Muslim I mean the indo-pak Muslim today including Pakistan

and let's say Bangladesh and maybe Sri Lanka and that the whole kind of Indian subcontinent these Muslims historically kind of saw themselves as slightly distinct they they kind of they were where they were they never considered themselves to be a part of the Abbasids or the Omegas or the ottomans in that case and this is all propaganda by the way that you know they people say that the Mughals used to rate the Ottomans that I really doubt it that the like people like you know geraldine akbar and these people gave

they couldn't care less about the ottomans maybe at certain times there was they would have obviously been diplomacy you know like you say something kind to somebody else that always happens but in the real world they wouldn't care they were self-sufficient they weren't just self-sufficient they were like a very incredibly wealthy empire so yeah so and the purpose of me saying this i want to come back to this caliphate point as well but the purpose of me saying this is there was a culture that people saw as natural that Islam because Islam has

been in the Indian subcontinent for arguably from the first century in some parts of it you know of the Prophet so from that time we're talking about under the you know the instructions of hi judge you've got Muhammad Nasim who reaches in so the point is that these people have a culture which was a very naturalistic kind of like it was a very in sync in harmony with the other cultures around it but now there seems to be this push for like clear kind of us versus them separate to look Muslims

obviously religiously they're separate from Hindus but they they are still in essence the same people but now there's this push to say that no they are you know we were never the same people to begin with it's not that our forefathers Hindus who converted to Islam we were never you guys in the first place and this is obviously it's it breeds the kind of fascism that we have today like in the the rise in the far-right in India so yeah and recently there's all this push to get rid of new Persian words and replace them with Arabic words

and pure like kind of like the you know you know the golfer Islam importing a lot of Gulf Islam so like we mean you no wearing like let's say black kind of workers and and not only wearing black but then changing the style of the hijab to the Gulf style of the hijab replacing words people refuse to say who the Hafiz anymore they want to just say Allah Hafiz and I know there's nothing wrong in saying that but the when people try and stamp

these things I feel that there's a lot of politics at play that's all I personally don't like that kind I think that things should be natural you shouldn't try to impose things that's all right so how do me he says assalamu alaikum alaikum assalam Hatem grisly side Salam Mufti is it possible to counterfeit or overrule rulings of the era of the Hawara you see the thing is that they wouldn't accept them so obviously they would just say that this

these views are deviant views and but this you know the irony is I want to ask a big question here you know whenever we look at Indo Park and this whole culture thing there's this big push of Braley's and the open these these groups everybody's probably heard of them right and this obviously the a de la vie the Salafi Wahabi movement as well but I want to ask something all of these were formed under British

rule the open D school was was Ori its origins go back to British rule British Raj it's only well it's under 150 years old like this is this is what it is the brain of a school is a reaction to the new Bundy school I want to ask where are the traditions of the scholars of India for a thousand years because think about Islam is been there since like we're talking like a thousand years Islam has been in India they've had huge schools they've had huge setups huge mud

reserves the movements of Delhi Mahad this Abdul Haq Adela we all these common trees you've got what is it the father of surely Allah the hello he surely allowed that Louie his teachers you've got half a little feta knee you've got all these great and these people weren't just isolated kind of incidents they were part of school structures where are their schools where are they works what were they names even see nobody knows because since the rise of the Oh Bundy and brave II kind of village wars have begun they

themselves obliterated any history previous to them they didn't want to promote it because they just want to promote them so if I keep like if I keep talking about all the great people of the past then you won't think I'm so great you'll think oh yeah but you know those people are great so they so this is an interesting point that you know it's yet these people claim to preserve traditional Islam and where are the links to traditional Islam you know where are the scholars who were the

teachers of in India nobody seems to know they just forgotten the mall they just couldn't care less [Laughter] solemn dunya poppy since our that's the last thing people that's the odd media to GA case this is this is a people what else is going on well Sufis have silsila Mufti all these silk sellers are useless these SIL sellers apparently all go through the Arab world paper the Muslim scholars

that were living in India for from a thousand years you tell me nobody was teaching Islam where are they instead of you see the problem with all the Deobandi and the gravy chains and I've got the chains of hadith - I've got my authorization Hadees and it just goes to show a lot that LOI and then from him it goes off to the Arab world because he studied in the Arab world that's fine but that's for a chain in hadith but surely a lot that Louie you know he was a product of Billy now he had a mattress

ah his father's mother some luma Rahim eeeh and his father would have been a student of other people who would have been students of other people who would be with that tradition gun you see so it's just food for thought I'm just putting it out there maybe somebody might listen to this something oh yeah you know we should check this goody Singh says I'm from Brahm all right what the hell wait a minute I'll give you what he wants to do some naughty naughty this

okay there you go right okay so that's one naughty naughty good desync was giving some naughty naughty suggestions sorry good teasing I know swing that way not in that direction so Salaam of T what do you think about black work black work bus that's a bit racist isn't it do you think about black work what is that like in with that all without

paying taxes they call it black work this I'm not nice my friend this world now too politically correct you know they're gonna think that's like what the hell black work oh stop is that come on so alright assalamu alikum of tiabo late is this true that Sahil Bihar Diwas Nara was not only transmitted by robbery but also by Ibrahim even immortal and mad didn't shake it how reliable are they will if you watch my body get video I actually go through their things first

of all a Brahimi of no markle's rewire he's not is very incomplete the other in shock every wire is hardly found at all apart from few pages and all the scholars who ever transmitted Sahil Bihari Samar and only did so through FRA Bri hey this is Eddie from Switzerland you doing it you doing it right so what's the question what that's what my boss used to say to me black work really says that's what his boss used to say to

him but now he can't say black work he has to say below can you carry on can you carry on painting the wall please that's Billy people by the way awesome very reliable removals kind of guy right here people so if you need any removals done that's you guys really reach out to him ok mud with a van right Salam of tea how much influence did cyrus the great have on Imam Bihari Nargis Iqbal hmm

I don't know that's and I've never imagined any I'm baffled by the bah milk is Chi Chi research I don't know I don't know what research you're on but share the research I'll look into it sounds interesting right so right you know what I was looking into though check this out people I was looking into the the similarities and in fact most likely what is presumably I'm just I'm going

with the with the kind of suggestive research that I've come across and that Sun or a god one of the popular gods or in fact sorry let me rephrase it the most popular God from from Petra and the Nabataean kingdom is called do Shara now Sushil are some say now what I was reading into you was some research suggesting that do Shara is actually

Shiva from the Hindu belief it's quite fascinating when you start looking into the parallels of kedusha I was this this kind of black stone black block a bit similar to the Shiva Lingam kind of thing I know the the fertility but so what you have from from Shiva a very similar that is the do Shara embodied and also symbolic around around the thing being snakes which also is

symbolic of Shiva the the bull and the kind of the thing with Shiva as well in the whole but it's quite interesting I was reading into some of these it's it's suggesting that along the trade route because the Nabataean Empire were I mean they they had like a mercantile Empire so they will merge it's that they survived on being merchants because they were at the center of the Silk Road silk routes right so people bringing silk in from China from India coming that way into

the Middle East from here you could either go on to Africa or you could go up into Europe so the interesting thing was that perhaps those people or maybe some of the Nabataeans that went to India to bring back the spices and the silk and things like this were influenced by this particular by this particular God and they kind of reenacted the whole thing and there is also a festival you see that is the do

Shara in in Hindu kind of practices and although that is linked with I believe Durga and things like this but it still is ultimately associated with Shiva as well so what the researcher had said was that maybe some of the most likely some of these Nabataeans that were frequenting india may have coincided with the Dussehra festival which lasts for many days and then replicated that back home in a similar way and ended up kind of associating the name not just

with the place but then with the god so do share our being Shiva I just found that very fascinating it's something I'm still reading into Secunda Assam Alamos Island Aloha Simon what's going on people what is going on right so what are some questions all right talk to me people talk to me everybody's gone silent her to Kagamine Kuja to couch Armin coup de donde estas donde story that's the thing

people where have your tray is usually a good way to share some religious yep absolutely what is the concept of revolving around Kaaba how can we explain it - I think the question is gone I think the question is to do with 40 days of a bada David meetings are no silent Audrey would cuzzy a los alamos Ackman please give the view on the beard a rope cause

he arrived I will do I will do right so let's come back to first of all quick question on the 40 day alcohol drinking alcohol and the Salah being invalid I do have a video clip on that you can check I don't believe that hadith to be sorry and I believe these teachings if anything were a deterrent to drink alcohol they were not a ruling on the judgement of Salah so salat is fine the other thing is drugs are not the same as

alcohol it doesn't mean that they're good but it doesn't mean that the same as alcohol so you have to be well aware of things like that drugs suffering alcohol is a depressant now some drugs are depressants others are not depressants they may be stimulants they may be psychoactive drugs for example LSD mushrooms DMT things like this these are not intoxicants okay they may be hallucinogenic but that's not a depressant necessary they're psychoactive drugs that play a

particular function within the brain chemistry so so yeah so drugs are obviously bad but there's some things which people would brand as drugs which I think hmm I don't know if they should really brand them as drugs things like DMT I would be a strong advocate for thing people although I haven't tried it yet still waiting to I mean sorry I'm not wait I'm not waiting to get hold of some

I'm not see rasca see rasca do not engage do not engage right so but DMT and things like this I I don't feel I feel these are more entheogens these are to connect people with God or consciousness so I feel that branding these things like drugs like cocaine is ridiculous but anyway that's my thought but you know there's an interesting theory you know check this out I'm going through some of this Graham Hancock is

explaining yeah I thought oh that's interesting but this certain I mean this there's certain theorists who have who have claimed that what led to the rise of consciousness in homo sapiens because you have to remember that modern modern man that anatomically modern man that that means people that look just like us as he not they don't have to be the same skin tone because obviously but they are anatomically modern so they

just like any so if they were to turn up in the morgue so they're dead you could not tell in any way that they were a different species they have the same kind of genetic makeup as human as modern human homo sapien so they're not Neanderthals not denis ovens nor other hybrids nothing like that okay now anatomically modern humans have been around probably two to three hundred thousand years but the cognitive revolution that turned everything around for us only took place really within maybe the last 70 thousand

years or so so the question was what is it that did that and especially you see further boost maybe about 40,000 years ago now some people have argued that it may have been by them encountering certain plants that had psychoactive properties that triggered the consciousness I just found that very fascinating as a medium I thought you know what I mean this is just I'm not saying it is I'm not saying it is but I thought it's interesting that could that be symbolically referring to the tree that the what the fruit the forbidden

fruit as in with the story of Adam as symbolism could it be that's quite interesting I just found it quite interesting so I thought I'd share it there you go people do with it what you want now is it K to do that to do what to do what right so people people's people's what's going on right so a man will heed cuz he had asked can I speak about the beard sure look so the beard I've got detailed videos on the beard anyway and you can watch them you can

refer to them they're on YouTube they're not that long and I go through much detail but to sum it up for you everybody agrees that the ancient ancient Arabs ancient Arab civilization it had a custom part of which men drew facially they had a beard so it was part of the kind of their custom and convention all men did it just as they had a custom of certain clothing they dressed in a particular way they lived in they lived in wive apart let's say

Arabia Arabian Peninsula and that's what they did now the Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu I leave Selim was I mean he was born and he was raised there amongst his people so it's very natural for the Prophet to be a part of his society so he's not going to be walking around in a different fashion kind of clothing he's going to be exactly like normal people so the same thing when it comes to the beard the prophet salallahu alaihe salam kept a beard but so did everybody all of the disbelievers of the prophet's time had

beards abu jahil had a very long beard so the beard was not exclusive to muslims it was not something that Muslims kind of oh here are the Muslims they have a beard everybody had a beard so the question is well why is this Islamic then this is the question why is this an Islamic requirement now people have said okay because you won't say riding a camel is a Sunnah of you know for us to do just because the Prophet did it so why is growing a beard so then what they say is oh but this

certain hadith with the Prophet said let the beard grow okay fine there are these hadith but let's look at these honey and if you want a very detailed book I've actually got it here but it's right I won't be able to get it right now but it's by chef Abdullah judez who actually brings the entire chains and all the hadith to do with the beard so first of all we know that the Prophet had a beard we also know that he used to trim his

beard so that's in Bukhari now if not more says the Prophet used to hold his beard like this and you would just trim it whatever was below that now him doing this action the process of Allison doing this action was this an obligatory action was this an Islamic action was this a customary action was this just a permissible action like today I chose to wear a grey t-shirt as opposed to our and our blue or a black one that's just an arbitrary action it's not something Islamic Lee mandated so what we can do is look at all the other hadith where the Prophet is instructing to grow the beard and he says in some of them they

try admitted Oh grow the beard and differ with the Jews and the Christians okay fine now this appears in the same in the same hadith you will see sorry this wording this exact wording let's take this wording do this like a command an imperative whether it's a positive or negative as in do this or don't do this as in grow the beard or do something I'm differ from the Jews and the Christians what else is this ruling setting so

let's take a look what else has mentioned this ruling so I'll tell you what has mentioned this ruling is the Prophet said he said dye your hair color your hair right you should color your hair as a command he said color your hair be different to the Jews and Christians that's a thing that's a that's a heavy with the same wording do we consider coloring or dyeing the hair to be obligatory or Sunnah or necessary or strongly recommend it no let me give you another one the Prophet said pray the Salah

female aleikum salut Femi Ali come pray with your shoes on Holly for Leah who don't want us all be different to the Jews and the Christians oh it doesn't matter oh okay just what I thought so the question is thatthat society but they don't want to know that nobody does that it's the same wording so what I say is bring me one sorry hadith just one where the Prophet is telling you how to grow

up here there isn't a single one the rest is simply interpretation by scholars okay right what is going on somebody's who this Hassan sabar asking for a shouter you not not great expect honesty when all right so this is the so it's important to understand power structures and just because the clergy people look all people I've traditionally kept a beard and to be fair the beards come back into fashion now so many people will now keep

a beard but for a few centuries it had gone out of fashion so people didn't keep a beard but but once again to forces the indian sub-continent kind of movement like the Deobandi movement which was really is a modernist movement which is claiming to be traditional it's only set up under the British Raj and it's set up just to be distinct from the British so anything the British did they declared it her arm straight away and found Islamic stuff to declare it ha wearing trousers was haram for example because wearing a shirt and a tie and things like this was Haram apparently

because because the British worried now ok at that time when you're being attacked and under the British Raj fair enough identitarian politics but today in 2019 it's ridiculous to adhere to certain politics like that so and the dumb thing is they will say things like don't dress like the Westerners wear a shalwar kameez you know like a commission which the the Pakistani dress and you think a charge Hut wealthy Arabs walking around in 6th century Arabia

were wearing shalwar kameez they're walking around eating biryani a cha-cha-cha yeah logic is tomalak yeah this is the absurdity that we have people this is the ridiculousness so I hope that answers that question bring me a single a deed that explains how to grow the beard once I hey sorry Hadees oh ha to burhanakum right what else right okay people let's

talk about the and when somebody said bomb in no way I I've not known of a bomb going off in Norway I hope a bomb hasn't gone off me Allah you know prevent such tragedies I mean but from what I'm aware of is the Koran burning thing in no way so I'll I'll answer that because I'm not aware of this other incident I'll have to check it up once I finish tonight's show

have you been following Dan Gibson's I'll come to that I have I follow very closely in fact I changed my qibla to Petra I didn't relax people don't just in case you take that snippet and they go oh boosting the Dajjal right so look first of all write this let's get to this important question people I want to discuss

burning the Koran in no way incident okay what do we think about this first of all let's be very clear burning any books as an act of desecration I don't mean as an in some other act of like for example you know trying to deface as in trying to take them out of service is a nice way of right so I don't mean in that sense but what I mean is if you burn something to

desecrate it okay as a sacrilege this I would condemn regardless of what faith somebody or even if it was just a book if somebody just did not like a particular author and they said you know what I don't know I've never really read the Harry Potter books or anything like this but let's say somebody don't like the author so they say okay I'm going to do a public display of book burning these is ridiculous okay this is something that so many evil I mean we need to really be way ahead of the game this is

like so bloody 14th century or 15th what the hell is going on burning books okay so I utterly condemned that if they attack you know they obviously they attacked in this case and they attacked Islam let's say or hope to attack Islam if they burnt a Bible I would have still been you know I would have condemned equally if they script you know writings of the Dalai Lama if they try to burn the you know Guru Granth Sahib or something like this anything is utterly onyx

bath etic and stupid and counterproductive as an action okay so I would condemn that unequivocally however now let's come to the situation at hand some a group of people far-right decide to do a public display of Koran burning right so they decide to do a Koran burning display now what we have to ask ourselves something here let's just pause for a moment so I mean just for those of you who haven't I'm sure everybody knows the incident as this

person was burning the Koran one of the protesters I'm not sure I'm not sure exactly what ethnicity he was but I presumably offered some Arab origin he jumped the crowd and he went and he got into a little scuffle with this person before being arrested I don't think anything major happen as in the assault I don't think it was just a little kind of skirmish before the police could take him away and they arrested him and I think they kind of thought that was it because the kind of fight broke out they shut the thing down now pause that incident people I want to

I want us to to think here you see a lot of people are going around praising does anybody know what was this person's name by the way so I write okay so a lot of people are praising this person now I understand why this person did what he did I can understand it because he obviously became enraged he saw this as a somebody said his name was Ilyas okay so Ilyas now this brother Ilyas I can

understand his anguish however I don't actually necessarily commend his action and I'd like you to listen to me I do understand it so I feel it's mitigating circumstances right I feel that I can understand it's like basically somebody is insulting you insulting you and you lose control and you do something okay doing something attacking someone by default is not acceptable but here there's mitigating circumstances it doesn't mean that you're absolved it

just means there's mitigating circumstances I want us to pause this I want us to come to the issue at hand look people we have to first of all as as a pointer we have to be secure about the faith and the faith is what is settled in here right look the Koran or any if it's Hadees or whatever by people burning something they don't get rid of it okay they do not get rid of it okay all right

somebody's saying there's a troll here right okay now you see you don't get rid of them let's step back a little what makes us as a species unique I want you to just ponder over this it's not strength okay half the animals on the

globe could tear any human to pieces within a few minutes I mean we are not the strongest of species we're not the fastest of species I mean when definitely not in fact if it was just sheer survival and you had one animal and one human stranded on an island the animal will most likely out survive the human you see what makes us what makes us different from the Neanderthals

what makes us so so what makes us so superior that we dominate the globe people it is our intellect our intelligence the ability to outsmart this you see with that now let's come back to the picture ladies and gentlemen we have to understand that when he comes

from a psychological perspective anger getting somebody enraging someone anger is the most predictable of human emotions you can predict it more than any other emotion now when people take these actions they take the quran and they try to burn it they are soliciting they are expecting anticipating a particular reaction they want you to get angry this is the whole purpose of why they are doing this they are not damaging

your faith nothing now you see by you attacking them physically they have won they they have achieved their objective they have proven that you are the Neandertal person that they claim you to be the Barbarian the uncivilized this is exactly what they want imagine the kind of mind thrashing that would happen if

you smiled in return you see because anger is the most predictable emotion not smiling not joy not complacency not contentment now if the person if the onlooker just smiled and thought you know because if you're burning a must have with all due respect it doesn't hurt the koran it doesn't hurt Allah nothing actually no harm is done to Islam we ourselves if we wish to take the

karana of service if we used to take the must have must have is a printed or an we call it a must have in Arabic if we wish to take a must have out of service one way of removing it as in - you know to get rid of it as in maybe it's damaged or there's been a misprint or things like this is to burn incinerate that is actually one of the Islamic methods so Earth's manner of the allow on the third Calif that's how he got rid of the other four hands the other most house he burnt them burning the Koran is not something you know we need to get all inflated about we need to stop

idolizing people who can't control emotions I understand this brother Ilyas why he did I understand it but I don't agree with it because all he did was just gave in you see he left the Muslim side down by doing that we are exactly what you expect us to be we are enraged easily triggered barbarians so people you know the prophets you know somebody came to the prophet sallallaahu I leave whistling and he said yeah us a lot advise me give me some personal advice you know you

advice many people give me something personal the Prophet said okay he said latter but do not allow yourself to be enraged do not let anger consume you and he said okay but tell me what else in life prophecy Atlanta and he said it three times latter this people is one of the great this is what the in Arabic there's a term him him okay not idol more than I the term him with a hat now this is

associated with obviously like wisdom but it's associate and like judgment wise judgments but it's associated with the ability to remain collected composed to not lose control ibrahim ali salam is described like many prophets is highly like to remain in control now my point is that what I'm trying to say here I know I've seen a lot of people try and use this person's photograph as a display picture and

they've said he's our hero worried a true warrior of Islam in all honesty he's not and if anything he's actually led us down but I understand this mitigating circumstances but we really need to control we need to kind of like if people want to insult us insult us and what you know like like if somebody says oh you know oh I'm gonna in fact you know some of the best to look at is people who when they're being insulted they you should see how

certain people when they handle it by taking the joke on themselves that takes an immense amount of self kind of security to be able to do that one has to be very secure with themselves but yeah it's it's disappointing so yeah although I do disagree with and I condemn burning books and burning especially sacred books however attacking someone who is doing it is wrong as well I do believe that look we have to understand something we have to

advocate for free speech it I I seriously do advocate for free speech even if it means that people have the right to insult Islam if they wanna insult it insulted you see to me Islam you know it doesn't it doesn't gain or lose by you insulting it so exactly and somebody said attacking brings you to a lower level than the perpetrator exactly any and he just proof you see the thing is the annoying thing is it proves the

point it is exactly what human beings are not known for we're not actually you know known for our force this is not you see it's intelligence people it is the genius of the intellect that makes us who we are outsmart your opponent think two steps ahead of them okay and that will be your greatest strength there are many occasions your opponent will underestimate your intelligence see so this is what I advocate this is what

I advise each and all that look pride yourself on your intelligence not on like trying to say oh I'm you know how I can beat the hell out of this person and then okay and you just proved his point to start off with that you you'll I can't hold my emotions I need to go beat up someone I heard he had a face for crime Wow Billy right that actually brings me to an interesting discussion it's worth sharing now that Billy's

brought it up you see it ties into this discussion of sensoria ship that that this having censorship and controlling things that sense so real kind of outlook sorry we got into a little discussion some friends and I and me about about some clip now I had never seen this clip before I didn't even know the people involved but so I'm not trying to defend the person per se because the person may be an idiot generally or you may not I don't I

didn't even know his name I don't know anything I just saw a clip it was some kind of a present some Muslim and basically he had some kind of correspondent and there was a group of people on the other side with the cameraman and their group of young lads they were all most of them were probably black I think there were some Asians or some there were definitely some brown faces in there as well maybe Arabs or something but it was like an strong ethnic kind of thing now the person said some joke about oh do you know this reminds me of crime watch and he started laughing

now this then some there was something about you know we got to beware of racism and stuff like these and all this kind of stuff so we got into this discussion on this group of ours some you know amongst friends about about this and it may just be because maybe because of the generation I'm from that I'm not from the younger generations we disagreed quite strongly on this matter that you see my point was that look I understand it could be in a pro

weird and wrong as in he messed up like it's not a formal like he's advertising cities because he's streaming on TV he said something which is inappropriate for TV so you know it's like if you're let's say you're delivering a lecture and you swore accidentally that's you know you've messed up you've said something wrong but is this as a joke because he clearly said it as a joke and he laughed as a joke in and of itself something wrong and evil that needs to be condemned because I said let's be

honest you will do it everybody does this amongst themselves so is this not hypocrisy if we can do it but if we see somebody else doing it we haven't like we're part of this outrage industry to kind of like Oh going tell I mean we could say oh my god you messed up or you shouldn't have said that they it's inappropriate for the context so the context is fine I get that but is it in and of itself and evil like so people saying oh my god that's racist and I said I understand that but it was a joke like the guy saying it as a joke he's saying and they weren't all black to be

fair so it's not exclusively targeting black people there were some Asians and that amongst them as well but I understand it was a joke like because the guys laughing now are we not allowed to crack jokes anymore like what what kind of a world do we live in because can't we determine from the context right so we got into this discussion and I thought it's quite interesting actually because a lot of the the younger like my younger friends they totally couldn't agree like see what I was saying and I think some of the older guys like my age they could

and and they were like yeah I mean you know that's not like it's okay it's it's a joke in bad taste but it's a joke it's not something like you know like oh it's like when I've said on here like sometimes some people have come on and they've been from rather room or something and I've said oh my god the rather Rochdale hang about groom made a joke about grooming or I've done something but all jokes are generally any truly funny joke is always politically incorrect that's why it's funny and I just feel that you know I I don't like this culture of absolute

censorship of saying people don't have a right to be you know to make jokes if they're not politically correct or to do these kind of things and they have the right to be condemned as an evil in and of itself I don't just mean as a mess as a as a kind of caca that I understand like obviously if you said something which wasn't appropriate for the context that's like you know people would say oh that's a cock-up like the person's messed up that makes sense but to say that's an evil in and of itself so I just find this yeah and it is so there

are certain laws within the UK as well that's certain comedians like Rowan Atkinson and these people had kind of passionately fought against like they tried to argue against I think it was the section 5 the amendment about causing insult is this a legal offence because you see we as Muslims might argue this in saying that oh my god you know you this is an insult it should be legal but then if you watch in fact Rowan Atkinson has you know the comedian mr.

bean he has a lecture on YouTube where he's addressing why he's challenging these things and he gives an example of a man who was arrested for calling a policeman's horse gay because it was insulting so the man was arrested for calling the horse gay he said oh that looks like a gay horse so they arrested him because it's insulting to the homosexual community so like this there were several cases he mentions that were people had made a joke and they were arrested because it's insulting to that community so you see I feel that they should be freedom of

speech and we need to immunize ourselves against this and there's a difference between incitement to hatred by the way and people can tell they're not dumb like a context can tell if you on stage or if you're cracking a joke somewhere between where you're rallying a crowd to say these people are you know infectious and they like these they were disease to society that these things human beings can tell these things you know they're not stupid so yeah so that's my point I hope that makes some sense a few of you had asked my opinion on the matter I do not so just to be clear I do not

advocate what Ilyas did I don't commend him but I understand why he did it I feel it's the most weakest of all responses and it is the most predictable of all human emotions to become to become enraged and to be angry in some ways I feel he lets us down I don't think he should be celebrated but I think in turn we need to kind of strengthen our kind of collective spiritual immunity our immune system needs to kind of get stronger we can't get offended every time somebody says oh

you know this happened oh you know all your profit was like this oh my god we soften relax doesn't do anything to us say as you please you know you go you got a mouth speak say what you want cool I hope that and that that kind of helps cool right so Farid aways analyst at and eros and most table lathe what are your thoughts opinions on certain calf and soar to have a lot of my opinions on surah what does that even

mean alright voting people the votes are upon us it's only a few weeks away so I think now I would definitely say young people definitely should vote make sure you vote right I do strongly encourage that we participate in this kind of action we take action to to see action you know we are you have nobody but ourselves to

blame I do personally passionately support Jeremy Corbyn right Oh Jeremy Corbyn I do think that Jeremy Corbyn on some things kind of he fell short and he wasn't clear enough on certain responses the debate between him and Boris Johnson for example he wasn't clear about his position on we he personally stood on brexit but he should have which I think he kind of they've been too sloppy about

the whole brexit referendum thing they've been so sloppy you know check the check the bloody comments I said that suggestion two years ago what they saying now I said it then I said that look simple come up with the best deal put it to the public this deal or remain that's how it works and that's now a part of the the manifesto that Jeremy Corbyn declared I thought could work but I was only typing that on the comments section about two years ago right so we saw the point is that people do

definitely get out the do vote it is not Haram it is not cool for it is not definitely do it and I would personally say vote Labour alright Jeremy called mean you know what you see substance in him though I feel that politics politicians are useless a bunch of twice obviously I I feel with the exception with the exception of a tiny few and I feel from that tiny few who you have hoping is people like Jeremy Corbyn it definitely is a man of character he's a

man of you know actually it shows some care so yeah so I definitely say that just the same way I felt about Imran Khan in Pakistani politics right now let's move on every method has some ease and difficulties to follow whichever you feel is convenient and comfortable Muhammad Musa Shah yes of course you can pick and choose from certain methods but you see I would say at the same time do try to learn its Islam learn a math you'd have to learn a method I guess there's no you know even if you don't follow everything from that method but

at least you have a base so big up Jezza all right right so what's going on let's take some questions people's people's I haven't been looking at the Facebook comment questions here let's see what is going on I'm just trying to bring up some

questions that people have already know come on you can do it you could do it what was hilarious people was my daughter youngest daughter Zara she's only five now but when she was about three and she was in nursery which had normal English staff it wasn't like it was only down the road but she started to develop like a Russian accent

I used to find it so hilarious if like we could do it I know [Laughter] Russian accent it's okay we can do it this one no problem right can you please address the topic of following the Quran I've addressed this already some people say that the obeah is not reliable is that true do to be a people is a Maliki thick book I mean it's just named after

the the compiled the author allowed to be now it is see people saying it's not reliable I don't really buy that because what makes something reliable what makes it unreliable we know that the earth via was very popular in al-andalus in Muslim Spain you know generations generations after a lot B you have the great Maliki dawn even rushed the granddaddy people the granddaddy not the grandson philosopher the granddaddy himself he has his commentary which is up there you can't

see it's in 22 volumes here call albion what a seal he is one of the authoritative voices within the method how can he be getting this wrong how if a latvia is non reliable then what is it nurse doing spending he says 22 years of his life writing this commentary on it it makes no sense and he is the authoritative voice within the method you will have so for example you'll have Halil most essentially relies on the interpretation of it nourished to to come to his conclusion

in film so it's just because it's just because it has certain opinions in there now yes it doesn't mean all opinions have to be acceptable but because it has certain opinions indeed that people want to shy away from like anal sex for example this is an issue that is transmitted in direct beer so we Imam Malik said that anal sex was not Haram now this obviously bothered people as Islam like all of the religions became institutionalized and as always people want to control people and one of the first things they want to control always is what goes on in the

bedroom it's an interesting trait of the men of cloak that they want to control what happens when the cloak comes off man of the cloth this is easy men of the cloth now the issue is so these are the kind of things I think why the the hate on the text Maliki fit text called Arabia right let's move on what are the questions going on what are the questions can you unblock me so I can

participate that doesn't make sense does it because if you're blocked how can you see this how can you be commenting what was so hurry when Islam began with the hadith whether Islam or even now I don't know that that's an interesting I feel that this is open to interpretation of the hadith that says hardened Rizvi says if I do it in the naughty place how did the scholars find out what I think you've heard even

doing it to an entire nation joking joking right so right so but al-islam move are even all right now this it means that Islam began as a stranger or something strange or different and and the hadith says and a time will come when it will return to being something strange and different now people I'll tell you how some people I'll tell you the wrong

interpretation okay this is what it doesn't mean let me tell you this what it doesn't mean is that some people walk around let's say the streets of London walk around arenal UK walk around in the United States in Europe dressed like foreigner strangers because they're wearing a Jew bar what looks like a frock so they're wearing this big kind of Saudi let's say garments and and they're walking around with kind of flip-flops on and they you know got the Saudi scarf on and people are like whoa you know who's this foreigner who's this

stranger and so they're saying we are so you're treating us like a stranger whether Allah Islam good even Allah who Balarama this is not what the hadith meant 100% it was nothing to do with I know if you start dressing it's like tomorrow if we all started dressing like I don't know in in in the Chinese Chairman Mao suits oh we all started to dress like I don't know the hindu brahmins and then obviously people would think whoa why all these people

dressed like ever like ah butter al-islam oh sorry this is not what it meant islam was never a fashion accessory it was never a fashion statement islam comes back to what humans are actually humans for the intellect it was to do with ideas it was to do his reason it was it was it's a faith construct it's something that is comprehended it's something that is understood and believed it's not so the fact that it came as something strange

the hadith states that in time to come maybe people maybe will get so enshroud even cloudy by other perceptions that people will have to strip away these things once again and I feel in many ways that's like challenging a lot of the new superstitions found within religion challenging the institutionalization of faith and returning to a theme of of what was the

fitrah of a natural state so alright yeah what do I think of the anti-semitic propaganda against Jeremy Corbyn I don't buy I think it's just propaganda I mean Jeremy Corbyn you know this is the problem that if you're critical of see this is where this is what I'm saying that this is the problem you see this is why we need freedom of speech because

when you're critical of something it's insulting and when it's insulting that because people are failing to make a distinction between criticizing political policies of a state and and criticizing a faith so you see most people who attack let's say Israel on its policies and I think Israel has outrageous ridiculous policies it just doesn't care has no consideration for complete disregard to the sanctity of human life but so to criticize Israel is

seen as being anti-semitic whereas if I criticized France criticize Germany on its policies or criticize China I'm not seen as anti sinner cinetic you know you know it's not or if you criticize Pakistan on its policies so you can criticize any nation on its policies except Israel if you criticize that you become anti-semitic because there's laws they hate this is why we need you know freedom of speech and I disagree I really do believe in the primacy of freedom of speech and

advocate even if it's you know like I do believe that the the Holocaust and things like this they did occur I mean the number is whatever you know more or less people say but the whole phenomenon sounds very real from a historical perspective and the propaganda that said there are people who've denied the Holocaust and said that it hasn't happened but I would say that from a freedom of speech perspective that they shouldn't be kind of imprisoned for having a view even if they are utterly

wrong I would disagree with them and say that they're wrong actually I would believe that it did occur but just by somebody saying it didn't occur there shouldn't be a law you understand because it precludes it prevents the it's I mean I understand the offense people but it's the you know there's that quote that the freedom to be inoffensive is no freedom at all you see that what kind of a freedom is that you have the freedom to say whatever you like as long as it offends nobody you know have you seen that there's a clip

of there's the clip of I mean a sketch of some guy I think it's an Australian sketch with some guys walking past and a group of friends they say hey can you take a photograph for us so he says so the guy says yeah sure no problem says okay say cheese and then one of the women says I'm vegan actually and I find that quite repulsive and he says okay so no problem he's just let's count backwards let's count backwards from three and then somebody says well here I mean you know why do you just disregard dyslexia so those

yeah my nephew's dyslexic I'm triggered and then they and then this whole thing goes on like everything he suggests is problematic he says okay why don't we just smile and somebody says oh like so there's something you know or you know so we have to put on this persona we have to do this we and me I mean it's all mean but the the sketch it says this sums up the world we live in you know everybody's just offended like in fault okay you know it's like there's no

there's no reason just right what are some other question let's take some questions from here how do you act or should one act think when interacting or maintaining friendship with fellow Muslims with whom you have various differences of opinion from v to hadith to shakes and when should you put those differences on the table rah rah Leah Abdullahi right so uh I mean I would

just say it's the human kind of courtesy you you know you'd have a sense a common sense to go about it I'm sure you've navigate it fine look really we'll never agree with people right we've got to understand that you know we'll always have some differences will have some preferences will have some and that's what we won't even agree with ourselves so where I stand today a few years from today I may completely disagree with my tastes my choices my opinions in just a matter of a few years so how do you think you know so what do you think of

other people then so I think so I I would say look don't worry about these things and sometimes you know it's interesting because I was reading up and thinking about this a little while back that you see friendships if we if we're calling them friendships yeah the company the preferred or a choice of being in the company of certain people you see we

have this understanding that this can only be truly achieved or truly optimized through vocal communication but really I was thinking about it that if you think about it animals they prefer the company of certain animal I mean they don't have speech I mean you could say this other elements of communication nonverbal communication but it's not kind of constructive communication the way we can communicate so because we have the ability to

communicate we sometimes feel that all things have to be communicated and this is why we have the greatest miscommunication so and animals don't despite the inability to communicate so sometimes like you could you could have a friend let's say a particular friend or somebody you like being in the company or you could just be in the company of that person and you just like being in the company like maybe you don't have to say much maybe you don't have to really be talking so much I mean

you can be but you don't have to be sometimes you can just like being in the company of certain people and I think we've forgotten that many people have forgotten that that they feel that we because we are a species with the ability to communicate that that we must therefore be communicating and if we're not communicating verbally then something's wrong but it isn't necessarily I mean sometimes you know you could be with a mate and you could just be I don't know you could be describing somewhere let's say and you

could be going somewhere you could be just sat there you're not talking much maybe you're just doing something or just watching but but you enjoy the company so I feel that this is an important lesson it's well a way overlooked I feel and I feel that it causes also not just in friendship but in relationships it causes a huge problem as well so yep just some food for thought people so so basically does it mean it's a red flag that because sometimes people feel if you're not communicating it's a red flag something

must be wrong doesn't have to be in people you know it's all it's just creature communication it's creature where at the end of the day we are all just animals right so somebody has asked can it be done I don't know what that is somebody's asked about what do I think of Mohammed MBA Mohammed bin Salman and his policies to be honest I kind of welcomed them depends what policies obviously yeah I mean you know speaking about a person and I'm then I'm not up

to date with these I don't really follow mb/s so closely and you know he's also perpetrator atrocities like the keshavjee incident is really just MBS you know just saying just cutting out what he feels is BS so so you have things like that like killing kind of assassination deployments but then you have a sense of modernization that he's bringing to the country Saudi Arabia he's got rid of the Wahhabi kind of shadow if you like in the background and

I appreciate that right so let's take a look at some other question people would these lot attack Sahaba for burning the words of Allah deformed the Quran there's so many examples the guy was not here oh oh yes Kareem I agree in absolutely with you and I've kind of said that so if you hopefully you can catch what I said he'll dad Ali Salam coulomb in on all the grant and grandparents of the Prophet okay here's an interesting point

oh I'll mention a bit about Dan Gibson I do follow dan gibson quite closely I mean I'm not up to date on everything that Dan Gibson has said but I I do follow him quite closely to be fair I look into you know what he said and I'm not just somebody that disregards something just because it goes against what I'm saying a lot of Islam realists have argued that MUC Muslims they feel that Islam did exist like the Prophet

did exist most of them do except that like Patricia Crone and other people they feel that Makkah was not could not have been as significant as Muslims claim later Muslims claim and to be fair I think they've got a point that I don't think Mecca was a significant City at all or even a popular town I think this is something that is recreated innocently by later Muslims not because they were trying to do propaganda I think this is what they thought assumed would have been the

reality but now research seems to show that Makkah was not really like that the other thing is that a lot of these people felt that much may have not been where Makkah is so Tricia Crone and other people I think Michael Cooke and some others they argued that Makkah may have been more in the northern kingdoms sowing the kingdom of sham now some people then suggested Petra now although from what I've read of Patricia crone I don't think she conclusively said that that was the case but I believe that she felt she wasn't

convinced with it being Mecca as in situated at Makkah so she felt it was somewhere else but she wasn't quite sure we but she was open to kind of suggestions that's what I've heard from someone further and I've got I'm still going through a few of her kind of works and articles and stuff now right so Dan Gibson however he has Dan Gibson has done a lot of research which I um in some ways grateful to because you know we have two people we have to honor in even if it comes out with things that we

don't like but at the end of the day this comes back to the point which I've been saying that what we lack in our tradition is a critical review so coming back to that Gibson's point he's gone around and he's got a book cable as in early Islam or early qiblas in Islam now he he measures I think is it a hundred and sixty or something Masjid around the world their foundations and things like this but what he tries to do several of them he visits them himself and some he can't so he uses certain satellite

footage he does explain the exact method of which satellites he's used and how he's accessed that footage he explains all of these he's very transparent to be fair I think I don't believe he's as innocent necessarily as some people feel that he's very innocent I think you know this tongue-in-cheek he's definitely he is doing a bit of the naughty naughty is definitely I feel that but that said I think it's all within bounds and limits I don't think he's falsifying evidence because to do that he would just get caught up and it would ruin every thing so he's measured the foundations

of many machines and found them the Mitch is found like those machines the ancient foundations dating from the first century of Islam seemed to be pointing not towards Mecca but to its Petra now he's got in his book he's got diagrams and the standard deviation he's got like he's compared how many degrees are they off from Petra how many degrees are they off from Mecca now they I think is it 60 odd or whatever is this a certain majority that he focuses on they seem to definitely be more always more closely aligned to Petra than the autumn occur and there's

some that are too McCanless some that are completely off like so they're just pointing south so North Africa must should seem to be disappointing South the the andalusi mosques the Spanish mosques seem to be pointing south which makes no sense at all and then he comes up with a theory which i think is ridiculous that's theories ridiculous well they were just replicating how they pointed from Damascus I thought that's just come on however what do I feel about all this these mustards pointing towards Petra is this a I mean is it just wrong I think

that he may be right you know that these massive foundations may have pointed to it's Petra now or is in more closer to Petra than to them to Makkah now why is the question now my theory people my theory is that Petra

unbeknown Lee like not like innocently if you like not as a part of like a scheme or a plot but Petra has I feel being an actor if you like an active agent in the formation of certain Islamic phenomena now I feel that I'll come to this point a bit more I feel that big and we'd really and was concretize by one of the great grandfather's of the prophet muhammad salallahu alaihe salam his name was and that was an his

actual name his actual name I believe was eight but kousei is what he's known by who say you see in his lifetime you see when kosei was a young man sorry you know your money was just a little boy when he was a little boy his father passed he's the son of Caleb his father passes away now his mother remarries this man who is is an Arab he's from her tribe I believe they were who's that I believe they may have been pillai actually but he's from her tribe he

marries her but he lives in sham now he Jose is an elder brother I believe his name is Zahra but because he's like a young man so the stepfather the news father he leaves him he's not really bothered but because this is an infant he takes Kosei and his wife Jose's mom up to sham now he takes them home to this place called Waddell Laura the valley of settlements now Petra I

believe that was Petra because when you look at it it states that worthier aura had the tribes certain tribes settled they liked the tribes of Banu Zahra now any other were settled around northern Arabia but also around Petra Petra also had the name amaura you see the mother of of settlements why he was between valleys voir dire Cora most Muslim historians when they write about word al-quran they say that he was a stepfather his name was Robbie oh by the

way that Robbie lived in Waddell Laura we're not quite sure where that is we think it's up there by mother-in-law Leah some people say it's over here and so they so they don't seem to know where it is because Petra after like maybe within a century or so after the prophet or century or within two centuries definitely disappears some people forget about Petra and only rediscovered in really the 18th 19th centuries so now okay so let's let's get to that story so go say he seems to be brought up the course a means a stranger okay the term kasi comes from nordica

see it was off Saad yeah and the people of that region although his stepfather was really good with him but the people of that region had a disregard for him they saw him as a foreigner and they would always they would call him cuz and they wouldn't call kasi they're calling Jose which is a diminutive form so it's like disparaging more disrespectful so this call inclusive cause a so this cause they got like a little stranger this stuck with him so this became his name now cause I always had this identitarian issue going on like an identity crisis because the people around him when he or other and these

people never accept him so he told his mom this is transmitted he complained that oh they keep calling every time I say something is they are who are you you're a foreigner you know you're not from from us you know so she says to him that don't you worry about them you're the son of Caleb Caleb was from a much more noble tribe the tribe of Irish now whether Koresh were that noble or not in the eyes of other Arabs the important thing is they be they definitely were noble now in Kosice eyes so passe has

this longing for this sense of identity and belonging he wants to so as he becomes a grown man he leaves sham and returns to Makkah when he returns to Makkah he's he's they say you know he's very handsome he was charming he was a strong man they say he was a warrior he was a very good fighter and he charms his way or he's seen as attractive he marries the daughter of the high priest in Mecca who's from this tribe called Xhosa when the high priest who holds the keys to the Kaaba dies the

daughter inherits it and he's the husband so he gets it so he becomes the owner of the keys he then expelled huzzah this tribe from Mecca this leads to a like a mini civil war so what he does is he makes a cry for all Quraish people close or far crash wherever you are to come to Mecca and to join in this fight he also calls his chamois cousins you know the like his step siblings and his cousins those that from which would I believe would have been in Petra he calls them now they come from sham and

they join in the fight and eventually he wins he I mean there is a kind of like an arbitration that takes place but he kind of gets the upper hand after that he's in control of Makkah Jiri fashions how Makkah is established he actually calls for a migration of all Croatia's because they never used to live in Makkah wherever they are scattered to come back to Makkah and he will offer them allotments and settlements so he says if you're close to Quraish you can live within the mucker thing if not you can live in the valley outskirts he will

give you land so he actually called so there's this mass migration of kora she's that move towards mccann settle he builds certain he rebuilds the Kaaba and changes some of the design now he also builds houses as settlements close to the Kaaba then a layer out encircling the Kaaba then encircling the Kaaba he gives these to certain no three people of grace he's also known for several kind of battles defending Croatia against many tribes he was the most powerful leader that Koresh ever had

before Islam obviously the Prophet is the most powerful leaders operation ever had that's with Islam pree Islam per se is the ultimate this I feel is the reason that because maybe some of the changes he made he also dug up a lot of the worlds in and kind of set up Makkah as a much more powerful kind of place this is I feel that the influences he brought they may have been from where he was brought up so maybe the way he fashioned the houses around the Kaaba the settlements the encirclement this may have been

influenced by his upbringing in petra this may be the reason why many historians in our books have referred to have referred to Makkah the kaaba's cabochons Ian you see they in our own books I believe it may be in Buhari as well they've referred to the Kaaba as the kibosh a mere the Kappa from sham this led some people to believe maybe the Kaaba was in sham but I believe that this was because it was the Shah mised Kaaba that the P because of the

influence in fashioning it was so Shami it was referred to as the Shamy Kaaba sham is the Middle Eastern region like Damascus and Petra and these places Jordan and so on so okay so that's now with that understanding let's go back to the damn Gibson thing now I feel that you see we have to understand that historic civilizations and I mean thousands of years ago I feel that they did have much more knowledge of the globe then people several centuries ago

so I do feel that they were maybe certain advanced civilizations that were destroyed I do kind of buy into certain people like people today we've got I've gone through some of these things actually today let me just check right ok it's not here but people like graham hancock and other people what they've argued that the Younger Dryas incident most likely demolished these ancient civilizations that were quite advanced I do find that quite convincing and compelling

especially with the temple archaeological sites like Rebecca Tepe which were which archaeologically are dated to eleven and a half thousand years ago it's impossible that hunter-gatherers just put their Spears down and built massive kind of establishments all of a sudden that just doesn't make any sense so we know this is what I feel that we I mean we definitely know from evidence like even taking a look at maps maps that ptolemy maps that other people had maps that the race Pirie map or the ottoman cartographer you know the person who drew maps and he says I drew this from

over a hundred you know archaic sources now in on his map which is from the 15th century I believe there's Antarctica now Antarctica is not discovered till the 1800s by the Russians so but he draws it accurately and he also even drew the certain rivers which were covered by ice since the Younger Dryas so not to mention other landmass that's been underwater on other maps yet visible on these maps it's been underwater since the Younger Dryas since 11,000 years ago so i feel that people knew how to navigate and then maybe

certain civilizations it got lost to them and then humans rediscovered it you know in much more recent history so we see these ancient civilizations like the pyramids and Petra is one of the ancient civilizations the Aztec kind of civilizations the Mayans the the Peruvian kind of monoliths that we have oh sorry megaliths all these things they seem to be aligned with constellations now I feel that you see similarly Petra would have been aligned with constellations now I don't believe the Nabataeans built Petra neither do I

believe the pharaohs built the pyramids from scratch I feel they built upon previous structures because it seems that this they kind of inherited certain sites and built upon them just as the you know people in the Amazon built on the the kind of Olmecs and all these the the the prior civilization stuff they didn't come up with it so I feel Petra was similar and it is aligned to constellations so it may have been that because the Empire

had a mercantile people people that have trade that were going around that they traveled to China they traveled to India they went to different places because they were trade specialists right now it may have been that they had set up certain devotion sites certain temples in line with the constellation that Petra is aligned to so therefore they had these devotion sites already set up to that constellation so it would be pointing towards petra it would kind of be aligned in that way this is what I am

currently understanding I'm reading up a lot of things and this is what I feel may have happened at this stage I mean I may review my this theory in time to come but if I find more information and I feel that because the Nabataeans were also Arabs they were Arabs pre-islamic Shammi Arabs that when Muslims reached those places the Nabataean Empire had kind of long dissolved and dissipated so because they were Arabs and these people were prior Arabs most likely they just inherited their sites and took him over

and because they were already aligned to Petra which was sham and all companions and Taba a new way sham was it was right just above the hedges which is where my phase so they may have just thought yeah that's good enough sham let's just point it from here because one of the questions was how did Muslims know which way Qibla was because the composting not exist so you have to understand that especially from China how did they know which way the tickler was I feel that they inherited the sights from the

Nabataeans and so what's happened is the early foundations were maybe pointing towards petra but so people like dan gibson maybe right but for the wrong reasons it's not because Petra was my car but I feel it may have been because these devotion sites were close enough and they may have been set up centuries before based on the knowledge of the constellations that Petra is aligned to so that's my kind of current theory so I

feel that I you know to be honest I've not really come across anybody providing any meaningful answer to what Dan Gibson has said and I feel that this actually is I mean I feel it's the truth and I feel it's actually like wow everything then starts to fall into place like you start to see that mmm that makes actually a lot of sense and if you see make sense because one of the questions is why did they used to call maka um well aura when it's not really it was only a small town a small town it would make sense if Jose had called Omaha

because Jose came from Petra which was called Amara so the mother of settlements and now that this was his New Kingdom he was set to establish it that this is now the mother of settlements so it just seems to all fall into place I don't know a lot while I'm still looking for it so yes I do in short I do feel that a lot of these people are right but for the wrong reasons so I feel that Dan Gibson is kind of right maybe just as patricia crone I feel she's right I feel these people are right but for the wrong

reasons that's all so yeah people I think with that shall we wrap it up was there any is there any masala going on this week is the what what what's the gossip people what's the gossip is there any gossip going on any fittin facade anything as Prince Andrew Prince Andrew after he's his killer interview has now set up an agency on how to coach

people for interviewing the best interview honestly I have to oh my god that is so epic somebody said is it haram to believe in evolution of course not evolution definitely happened you can watch my video on evolution on YouTube

yeah Prince Andrew would just say don't sweat it bro I've I've stopped doing that it's just something I no longer do except of course I'm sweating right now but that's because I've just regained the ability to do it in the last few years but no no I just I absolutely you know what killed it for me though was the Taiwan I just could not believe somebody would I couldn't believe that somebody would

even try that like where is I don't understand like I'm so baffled I'm trying to think could you really like could somebody really say something like that that mm you see when I travel I always wear a tie so I'm clearly not wearing a tie in that photograph so you cannot be me that's the confidence you want in life people gain that confidence in life our punishments are all right people Koecher me it's so good it's all good

people it's all good all right what's going on what's going on what's was there anything anything anything right no no no should we leave it with that yep that's it I think we'll leave it with that we've covered quite a few things today in Sharla let's wrap it up that it that's it hardened Rizvi the confidence it's like the confidence you

that's it hadn't really sub as well you know bechara is I think I don't know whether is from an accident or what was disabled in the change but then he's telling other people go fight it's the confidence Prince Andrew confidence you want in life people so that's in the words of who is it Joan Elia hum I believe it's Joe Neely I might not be actually this one but hum

forehand yahuda Kobe booty he says we he says like you're asking about us we all of those who have even forgotten who have forgotten God the way that we've even forgotten God that we are those who have even forgotten he says come to Vaughn angel Darko be born again to marry John kiss come on man is this you my dear well I don't know why you've got

this confidence that we won't forget you that was his the poet's point right the measuring cat bone one okay I'll watch that I know I believe I have watched that about we speaking about pet around the valley hey Musti how do i encourage my wife my wife to age Hannah Hannah Hannah Hannah has a wife this one son interesting is an interesting interesting female to female this on this on the clergy will be

attacking you know so right so people let's wrap this up cool any issues give me a shell you need to reach out to me people Facebook message messenger is always better by the way I can respond much more easier right so if you can Facebook Messenger or Instagram you can send me a message on Instagram people move table 8th that's it that's what I'm talking about keep it real till next week take very good care of yourselves remember me in your kind of odds as well people Gio Gio

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