What is Mutawatir in Hadith Transmission? | Mufti Abu Layth

guys so we've got this look well well we've got this concept of tomahto we need to talk about these what is the water now the water is to do with hadith right so right clear Jones Ibrahim shukran for your kind and encouraging words right so oh and a big shout out to the egg boy I almost forgot people the

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geo married aunty oh right so right now coming to this Tata we need to discuss the water people because a lot of people use this they say certain hadith are muta water torture' means something that has been transmitted on mass that it's so transmitted that it's impossible the definition they use is yester hail it's impossible or inconceivable that everybody co-consul were co-conspirators in bringing about this lie so you know

it's so it's like duh it's like what are those things like dude that's taught or okay so when a thing is of this value it is motivated so people give the example often like how do you know a country exists so you could say well I've I suppose more so today you could say well I've seen through social media I've done this and so many people like I said how do you know China exists say well obviously through all these things today I suppose through technology we can actually zoom in but in the past how did people know China existed well they just knew because everybody knew was common

knowledge that it couldn't be a conspiracy just to delude you so that is the definition of territory and a thing that has that value is called motiroti in Arabic now these are just fanciful terms but why was this debate important well this was a theology debate a debate to do with belief it was nothing to do with hadith it was to do with how you believe how do we know and what we know so within belief within theology a leader or Kalam almal Kalam you have a section which is to do with how do we

have knowledge like how do we know anything like if I asked you how do you know something so you will say and this this in modern day in modern terms this is called epistemology okay big word don't worry about it people to work bad okay so epistemology is dealing with the branch of knowledge like how you know things how you have the acquisition of knowledge so as an example a sympathy right as an example your senses somebody may say how do you know something simple

I saw it okay fine I heard it you know senses I felt something all these what about how else can you know something you can sometimes deduce things like I can put something together and I can introduce alright that explains you know I saw that well this jacket was missing from here I left it here I saw him wearing that exact jacket it meant he must have been here you understand now this obviously I didn't see him here but I can deduce that and I can and then you can make inductions as well you can take loads of so for example yeah I don't know like I've boiled water it's boiled here

let's say I don't know like every crow I've seen like is black so now I make an induction okay so by principle all crows are black now this is a piece of knowledge that I've arrived at by you know looking at different informations and drawing it together and drawing a principle so there's different ways on how you can have arrived at knowledge and this the fancy term for this is epistemology so now during this discussion in a fee that they discussed something called tour tour

they said well tour is one way you can acquire knowledge you can say well how do you know how do you know China exists in the past they would say well I know because it's common knowledge everybody knows it do they would have made it up just to trick me they will find common knowledge will accept as a means of knowledge you see so this is this is where the discussion of taught or enters now why was this important this was important in the sense of how do we using our knowledge arrived at God and argue is there a god isn't there a god how do we argue with evidences because

people will say well I know this - well what is knowledge anyway and that's why you discuss epistemology so I just wanted to clarify the backdrop - we this comes in then along comes al-khatib about daddy who is a great hadith scholar but yeah allegedly he stood now and then have a little drink I don't know if that's true but some of the hanafis have mentioned that he was likely his idol code 3 says that he would like his occasion but he was a great scholar of honey legend in

Hadees however I don't know whether the drink part is true but and if that maid had a little cello hodja hodja right so he in his writing his book on hadith brings in the discussion tomahto for no reason it's nothing to do with Hadees the question was look how do we know that the profit and the discussion of hadith was how do you okay the Prophet said this but how do you know the Prophet said it and and somebody said well I know because he told me and he told him and he told him so okay that's fine

say ah but they could be wrong true they could be oh but what if it was common knowledge that the Prophet said something say ah well sure sure common knowledge it's that its motor water it's like China you know like they couldn't have all been lying about that so okay so he puts this topic in as a discussion in 'soul hadith they by opening a can of worms ain't even the word actually opening Pandora's box to a calamity that would come later on so

what happened from here some scholars started to say ah we've found motive what l had Eve so you're like Warren is that you weren't about so they've tried to say well so you have some people like so for example one of the revolutionaries of us all hadith eveness Allah to be fair to him he writes in his in his makishima that actually motivated hadith is very unlikely to ever exist in heavy he says it's very unlikely he's quite dismissive of it but even a Hajer

by his time he says what are you talking about motor words here ok how many people you know common knowledge like if I asked you how many people do you need to tell you to believe in something so these people had this discussion in the past and they wrote 40 people and then somebody said 20 people and somebody said 12 and somebody said 10 somebody said 5 somebody said 4 so they started writing these down in the books oh this is for it to be common knowledge at least this many people

say so even a Hodja is like a I mean he he caused havoc in our tradition by actually pushing this thing of Oh actually of course a hadith can be motivator how can it be what about it ten people say it's fine hamdullah it's impossible to now be a lie anything whoa hold your horses mate why is that impossible for ten people to get it wrong so this whole discussion of motor water is nonsensical this is why I asked these people show me in the early

scholars anybody who ever spoke of it Imam Malik imam bukhari imam muslim abu told these great scholars missery even imagine and in their times you've got who if not a van a great who as is great had these book even he burned us he's one of the major scholars of that era of hadith collection what does he actually say he says there is no such thing as motivated hadith all hadith is isolated from narrations that means one person heard it from the Prophet from him usually just one person maybe two people in that size would even if you

get multiple one people but it is still just an isolated narration so he said that you had Alba Carroll has me endorsing his statement you had even a be done endorsing his statement these were all scholars saying look there is no such thing as motive our tale even imam shot to be saying that look this is a fruitless discussion it really didn't belong in a solo hadith at all so today what happened is the scholars anything they want to push they just start to claim the hadith is motor water ok like oh yeah this is motivated why because I found a few different chains of it oh

yeah now you can't deny it Haram to deny its Kufa to deny so look to understand all of this just pause the discussion for a moment pause the discussion for a moment and just understand one simple thing how many people does it take for you to hear to think that something is true how many people like you just think about that like if I told you you're about to receive some news how many people must

tell you for you to believe it's true if it was simply people telling not evidence not like here's video footage he is how many people must it take you think about it if five people told you something do you believe that must certainly categorically now be true there is no way on earth that can be anything other than because five people have told me what if 20 people told you must it categorically now be true can you still not be wrong now if you just

think about this if you just think about this the whole discussion opens up in front of you in all honesty you wouldn't accept even 20 people as certainty like you sure you'll accept it as overwhelmingly come sure that's convincing it convinced it's not certainty like the way you don't need convincing that China exists you're not like you know what yeah I'm convinced II know that's like to you

it's as plain as day that China does exist that these countries do exist because that is absolute common knowledge so you just think about this discussion on taught or what would it take what number would it take for you as an individual to believe that something can't even have 1% can't even have a 1% out and the truth is that is a discussion in and of itself that can you even have certain knowledge for perceptibly sir what would it take and I would say that it won't I wouldn't accept even if 20

people talk I think that would be good I'd be like oh wow I'm definitely Wow kind of I'm being convinced here because there's a lot of people said it but I want some evidence I want to check something out for myself I don't want to just twenty people said it doesn't mean it it's impossible for it to be an error so I hope that shed some light and what's happened is unfortunately sectarianism has entered the game and scholars have hijacked this discussion and anything they want to push they just call it motor water it's

like no it isn't this is not much water mate and then they took it a step further and said because we're calling it more to earth and it doesn't even matter it does not even matter if all those chains were weak this is what even had your rights if not hydro says even if all the chains are totally weak some of them say they don't even need to be Muslim they don't even need to be this and then you say well okay if all that be true how come you don't accept the motor water of the Shia because they don't need to even you know because they

she add at least a Muslim now you yourself said the chains could be weak you just said so many people have to say why don't you accept them all to attend variations of the Shia so you don't you Oh Gavin Gavin so look so you contradict yourself so people are using this as a tool for manipulation right so if you hear this thing people say if you go against motor water you're not a Muslim anymore that stuff is nonsense this kind of emotional blackmail is so outdated and it's actually false as far as the evidence is concerned so guys I just

thought I want to share that