Momodou Taal | Urban Anxiety, Gang Culture, Mental Health & Social Pressures | MindTrap w/ Mufti #5

a rabbi people what is going down for the insomniacs in the house which is practically the whole global population right now of mankind all in lockup I bring you guys to deal with some of your boredom another session of mine trap with multi Abu layth let me just share this whilst I'm sharing it if I'll fry Mufti after midnight hell yeah it's with dark it's with darkness we rise people it's with darkness we rise I'm going to

just pressing share just one moment look at this now what's this now what why is Facebook changed how you share things you know it's like you you're just about to do a last minute thing in facebook besides to change the game right so I've got to go yeah you know facebook facebook facebook he he knows it does unnecessary changes here now I'm chained

on momento just sharing this but that might be your thing has subtitles here so of right people so what we have today is our esteemed guests look at that suit right there people look at that look at that we've got Momo mm no not that monster image that was being sent to children to freak

them out but we've got this Momo our guest from the Midlands also studying in a parallel life that he runs from Cairo Egypt a student at her as her Oh at least he claims to be so Allahu Alem so again bring him in people all right mom oh you're in the house you're like honeycomb I Lika muscle em what I'm little lighter i lo but a car to Momo Lawson and

welcome back right so how you doing man how you keep me locked down trapped in the UK fry of right all right did you did I interrupt something were you having a busy schedule you know what is crazy evening I'm so I'm quite overwhelmed quite slumped oh wow wow people look ma Morgaine hell yeah mom always a man of many talents people many ideas last time was a pilot series pilot session so we didn't really there was a lot of kind of

interference in the county issues so I thought you know mama deserves his own space along wise no one's sleeping sleep is one of me immortal is for the weak amongst you hear the story about the about the sleeping prey not because it was dead it was caught up this is it people sleep so all right people I don't know

how do you think about these people can you guys hear this look at that can you guys hear some background music what do you think for Mom or some relaxation let me see I wanna hear this Maw Maw setup has improved well it's only 10 p.m. in NYC where is your watch multi yeah can you guys have people a few people asking where's your watch right here I don't sit at home at 3 a.m.

necessarily wearing my watch him the important question is it's not like I've got gotta check the time to do anything I'm always late anyway people can you guys hear some background music look at I don't know if you guys can hear this I thought let me fiddle with this somebody said no more dressed good for tonight this is home clothes man alright so I don't know if people can hear this can people hear this background music now I put something on in the background to

see what actually works mmm nobody's responding let me check the Facebook people people what's going on has Malmo stolen your watch he tried it he tried it you know it right but no you know I take your people can't actually hear the background music that's odd mmm it doesn't work like that I'm surprised what if I switch this one can you guys hear any background music here

it's quiet no they said no we can't hear any background music so okay because I thought let me try this does it work and if it does I thought that would be interesting but you know I suppose you know God gives deafness to whoever he gives somebody said now yes now no background stuff now

we can yes no we can't rip and why does Mufti sweet so yes we hear piano ah so you do hear it what if I reduce this is it this gentle but I can hear it people are saying it's gentle but I can hear it well it does but now guest is anyway so I was just I was just kind of mucking about with a repair Anita says that I

have an echo have you got your mic on yeah somebody said the music volume is too low is meant to be it's not meant to be a musical session here going on how can I be on the show you have to message me and you gotta be interested which you are but you gotta be interesting Oh love-love more echoes last but does the echo in eternity is the question

that's a very slight echo from mom or mom or I don't know maybe pull it out put it back in not the first time he's hearing that so right so I don't know well we got a let me see where is the

guest Mike come on yes I was just mucking about with the music thing I can't really see see I can't tell how loud it is because I mean I can hear it but yeah I don't know no no say no say ah do you guys feel that the music is opposing the echo y'all stop the music there you go

stopped I don't know if it was that shouldn't be because the video I only echoed when you change something okay because okay wait a minute what if I switch you know what one I've got to become like a an expert in this stuff what if I switch this to this now let's talk let's see Momo is that you with the soothing calming music yeah

echoing still I still hear it loud and clear still echoing mama bro how I don't know somebody's writing in Chinese echo right okay unless I switch this off shall I switch off still echoing okay let me switch this off okay what if I switch this actually two properties let me change this to display settings what

about now mom or if you speak now hello hello um let me change it to this change it back change it to this let me just check is this still echoing if I was that the issue people were saying that was it this let me put on people's chats what's going on some say it's better now sure it's better much better is it better now yeah yeah okay I think I figured it okay

I cracked it people I cracked it yes it's bearable it's durable nothing is bearable bearable unbearable is tavad nineteen that's bearable in the spirit of multi sob I too have taken off my shirt ah freedom people man was born free better better Joel or pay people so as you can see look I've got my mic here alright I see new touches to the show

each day see because at this soothing hour I put on some soothing background spa kind of relaxation music no Momo what is going on man what's going on more love of what's bothering the Millennials in this lockdown man what's coming down the generation generation that you refuse to acknowledge I take I think do you think I don't take seriously I mean I don't know if anybody

can really take them so of course I take Millennials seriously yeah in recency Generation Z what's the things with the devil sign in the hand you see I'm people for you guys I'm claiming this back from the devil I took it back from him by force people you see that you see that that's a right people what's going down Christ mom was trying

to seduce mama mama doesn't need to try your problem was with the word try so what's going on what's going on no more water you know I've had Momo for those of you that don't know is a serious student of knowledge he has been studying with me for many years and in fact I what since he's been about 16 actually it technically can't count his grooming okay but he's been studying there in

addition to his regular studies college university he has an LLB background in law he has a fascination in political history politics and history so that's and he's been out for several years now in Egypt in Cairo studying various locations learning the sacred Sciences so this is that's a bit of an intro and know that he's not I mean don't that's not a mug shot by the way that's

actually him some books arrived today by the way I ordered they say told many Eileen it mother I read some books man I was thinking you know today of gifting you some books are crazy seriously you know what I'm gonna gift you a bunch of books mom's Allah right so I'm gonna take a batch of them out and give them to you in shelf please

go so now I ordered from this bookshop in Birmingham called they're online called Darumaka yeah I'm looking at they had many kyon I've got that book so the website isn't too awesomely organized but nevertheless proceed oh yeah but uh yeah so I true I think hmm you see I don't often buy from the UK so yeah I get most of my books from Morocco

or from Egypt so yeah I guess so but I mean what's Osborn and so here's a bunch of them they all came today so I thought look I'll I'll let you know this was an interesting one mama if you're into grandma her children are we are those so basically what this is Hudson title card natales so grammarians who used and they up until the third Islamic century or how they used certain every evidence is what they did what they said yeah it's interesting so they will say things you know in here you've got I was just taking a look at some of

it I was reading something about they were saying you know you've got things like like in there what so so it was saying in sorry not in the in in as a mafia in in Arabic can also be used as if I said no not as a as a shot that's always used like to mean if or you know but it can be used to negate something like in Hathor like if i said in hath Asahi

Hanoi in hat abyss ah here now but this is not common usage it's like a substitute for later so some people I believe it was for rot he negated that that that's valid that that's incorrect and and the story there was story in there about cursory saying he came across this guy saying in a party man and he said to him that's wrong Arabic and then he realized the guy was saying in Anna Ahriman and girl and he said vah vah vah vah vah I need documented don't you

think that you were bragging a bit of water power what seems to have happened was people in the abecedarian era people started to kind of document the Arabic language and they started to say I know let's resort to the Arab the the Bedouin eyes Arabs whose Arabic must still be so pure yeah but it is now like we're talking it's like 130 140 hundred fifty years after the Prophet I mean this is not the jetty Leah Bedouins yeah so you know these guys would go for

the next maybe 50 to 70 80 years even over 100 almost they became this culture of let's seek out the bed winds some people would pay money they would find people who are better wind pay the money asked them ridiculous you know the stories of the Bedouin saying look it's like let the Bedouin would ask him something like have you seen this like let's say if anyone asked them have you seen my yeah but a camel I suppose is a simple one but let's say there was something like like let's say something

starting with a scene in a sense like if he was to say like souk let's say simple I'm good just talking with ya so they would say oh what did you say that with a salt as well like souk is that also another way to say this it's that you know you like they would start doing their heads II with all and there were stories where these Bedouin sometimes kidnapped people like they because they were remember they were obviously bandits as well so they kidnapped them and the guy being kidnapped was a grammarian so he was kind of love for the moon that I'm in quarantine with rich resource here so he

kept asking them every time they would speak oh did you say that with a sob or a bar or like is that always that another variant oh wow and is an Egyptian bar Hussein of the law writes about this a shadow jelly and a double jelly and he writes that all of this was really made up yeah kind of heat whether he yeah he kind of says that these were most likely in your name yeah like

fictitious I'm not so sure if I I think that some of those people did exist yeah but I agree with him that all of these stories and everything were kind of made up and you know he he was taken to yeah they tried obviously they the government license he was he was a chemist because they said is a Kaffir was trying to question he wasn't saying anything against the Quran but they were saying because he's questioning ancient Arabic but he was exonerated but yeah I think he lost his job and stuff he was blind from birth wasn't he congenital

blindness and he was married to I think a French woman was in France he was married to a friend he had a French wife ayah shows you don't need Psych to pull [Laughter] but yes I definitely you know I feel but this has got some of the debates or between the two kind of the cou Fein the paucity you know in now how there's an interesting muscle I saw was really I mean just going over it again in this about like you know when you say the object to

a verb like karateka turbine it can't proceed the verb if it has if it's in a negative percent air past tense with man so if I say cut to key tab and I can take a turbine car at all in Arabic I can say that but if I said Margaret took it I did not I cannot say key turbine map part yeah but have to be lost yeah it have to be because these roof do not allow anything to proceed but the coup phim disagreed with that so they they felt that you could they had the kind of so there was a disagreement so

that was this was another interesting one you know I think you might like this moment was it they've got this in Darumaka I don't know if you guys can it's a bit the light seems to be blending it up there so it's called edge Webber Tallulah's early and the Selective no RB al-maliki whoa so April Auto B is asking all these metaphysical questions like magia happy Couture Roy what is that I said that's the one I want what is the difference between an omen positive omen and superstition I'm really intrigued by this I mean I've just got it today that how many ways do

them have a compiler how did they compile this I'm thinking and the author or the person who did this says he has a I'm a little a bit Hamid Aloha's early a cha-cha-cha so he's gifting it back to the author himself because early looks like covetous because I've been really intrigued by how did this I've read through 1/2 of the issues but I did don't read through the beginning on how they got hold of these yeah so he's saying that the abdur-rahman by the way in his book Mahalo fatale as early has

said that Missouri has a book called joy Abu mosa also in unhappiness Oh sh t masseuse ask Allah to al-assad Allison and then he mentions this is what unity meal also brings in his book called more focus on Helaman only sorry in Marple and then he mentions that the people mentioned that these are the questions with open will are be asked was earlier than disagreed with him on but where does he extract this from from if not a mia it seems on

well carmelo start now he's saying that us a mistake okay i'll have to check this out is the word a fantasy you really cute I don't know I suppose if you're the person they're saying it about you might find it official like because it kind of means that you know oh well it's it's like saying it's like a bit like an illusion like yeah it's in his head like he thinks right so so there

was there was this book and these are some of the books I thought I'll share some of them with this you know I've been trying to read up more and more on Ernest Gellner we're going he's like you can't really see if this book is called Saints of the Atlas and he was British she was a I think Czech origin sociologist anthropology is somebody who's who's like a theoretician anyway and he's discussed like philosophy over philosophized he had a keen interest in Islam as well and especially in the Berbers and Morocco and that region and he's in this book Saint Saints of the Atlas he

studies the Sufis around the Atlas region and and kind of discusses their sociological structures and and kind of brings in even a little dawn and contrasts it with him as well and but i-i've been hmm I've come across him recently because of the even of hold own book I was going through and I started looking into his theories he speaks a lorry on general theories as well I know he's refuted Wittgenstein on some linguist and stuff like that so yeah but this but there's a bunch of interesting kind of books I got hold of there was this a

t-bar in nassif woman saw which I thought this came today as well so it's by Al Hazmi of what cattle has me basically abrogated hadith but I mean I was just flicking through it but it's interesting there was one point it you know this hadith about the the Prophet would wait like if you want to attack a people he would wait at dawn yeah and if they if he heard the Athan he would desist if not he would attack now one of the people who heavily opposed that was an imam malik and he said that that's

not from the sunnah and he said that that's not true and he said that the prophet would always give you have to give them options and it always kind of basically discuss bring about the opportunity of all for for a solution but he wouldn't surprise the way you know this thing like this hadith that was transmitted whoa it's called a morbid that were publicly tell one nestle so this hadith that is transmitted here that so they are

certain that if not bath says that he would never attack a people unless he had invited them first to other solutions so that's the one but there are other narrations that he would wait so this by anas bin malik that can also lalala Obito I hadn't well a king who young zillow Kariba min whom he would wait close by when they woke when they when he was only find some iron and kafir on him when la misma leader Allah Allah him and there's many if not then he would attack them and this is the hadith that people kind of went to to

say that you know you can attack or whatever if you don't if they want if they're not Muslim and he mentions but some people said la lluvia de minimis Shekinah couplet Dora before inviting them to old alternate solutions while a hater Harbor Imam or Malik watch Amara to mean a little Medina what Tomas aku be had in a hadith and Imam Malik said la Ora I do not see that a new so that they are attacked hat tell you they know well are you part Aloha tell you the no and neither are they fought or

surprise attacked until they are invited to other options so right but I just read that and I thought oh you know that's a fascinating because people bring that up quite a bit sometimes yes there's quite yeah I mean the one I actually bought if I won't go into but I was the commentary on the tough react by Caleb yes does mean this is the

commentary yeah it's by even knowledgeable customer Banerjee upon chill of stuff Korea able to love to love in in this East Lang does mean diarrhea but this is not that this is a great Maliki from about 900 years ago so right did multiflex know I've just sitting here yeah it's three something in the morning you know chilling so we're not really you know I'm not didn't really have just went

live as it is it's all right people will grown adults so Momo that's that man how're you how're you coping with all of these I know you came back from Egypt just about made it in time I think I came Wow my flight was canceled about two days after I arrived England so I really knew I couldn't go back about who I didn't know we're getting about week later a lot of animals as not so pretty much suck it now what are your thoughts man what's going on with people with this or some

people going a bit loopy are they managed are they coping or they yeah you know you know isn't it can I just think of a horror movie when I kind of you know really isolated so long I think a lot of people it's not so much the issue of being at home maybe as opposed to psychological kind of inability to make plans like you know now okay I can't make any plans now I can't go out I can't do anything that everyday like you know I'm know a lot of people just cleaning I can speak from my perspective

just being that I think if you're a young person it means can give you a an idea what's going to people's minds you know mean people I think that our Viral we have an idea what's going on what's the new thing and people are you know creating a look that no one knows what kind of day is anymore first I can't relate to some of the women some women in my age group they're saying that you know like I miss wear makeup for example come on you can you can relate to that it's all right your secret's safe

and that's only on the weekends we see those heels in the background every day for that the same now very active people [Music] it's funny a lot of I think it was Dave five or six everyone at that time it said the Athenian today

I think the first couple is like a novelty arm thing at home now okay let me talk to my family a bit more you know and then you know you see the memes that say things like oh my family not so bad neglecting them all this time I finally get to my I see ya hear me yeah yeah yeah so so yeah I feel like no say no it's getting boring now I want to go out and I meet my friend Donna where we may be do you think this is adding to the depression scene with I mean especially younger

people people you know depression I haven't really heard about my question but I want to speak about local mental health in general are speaking to a friend of mine who you know Kyle Kyle gray and we reclaimed a determine called urban anxiety what we meant by that was we've kind of felt that growing up in London and I grew up by time I was 13 my friend questions my question was death so when I was 13 and also but it's like I know so many of my friends had these

stories whether we go east on the north south or west everyone has a criminalist that's like to my friend for example but even by Augustine that was not that the incident that took place in my friends passes away it wasn't just out of nowhere it was lead up to two years of like back and forth you know running into someone else's area robbing their bikes they come into your area they put in like you know like you even get a rush for example like but I'm thinking to myself I look about now I'm set the time I was very much involved enjoying I went to the errata but this Prince is that I had up until 2003 it's normal operating you want to experience and I feel like and so we're talking about how does it affect you

make lights also put the calc example and I have a certain experience is like as much as I'm someone who acted myself pro-black if I go to London can be daytime if I see a young black presence of a hoodie walking behind me I get very anxious for example because I only because so I know you know especially even try and try something with you Kyle said the same thing he said it could be daytime then a slow car driving up towards him he gets it could be nothing couldn't be not even going towards him or me going like not even coming for him but they if you had a slow car come up if he gets very anxious and very on edge so that's what we called it urban anxiety like son Colombo put the police

for example Kyle has a very myself as well have a very like you know when you see police is very nerve-racking for example because the experience that we had so that's what that's what we also remember kind of urban anxiety to kind of looking back you for like those fun time we were always fun but looking back I thought I would well I said she creates the experiences that people have even before they hit the age of 13 you would have saw like a knife at that point for example you would have been into several fights you would have you know so many a lot of drugs at that point it's very a huge struggle and I think I think what you mentioned London

would you say that through you feel that throughout the UK you feel that 100% I mean I was in but reason why for of this because just the other day I mean it's like daytime like 4 p.m. and I was walking with my phone out and then a guy again teenager he crossed the road and again he wasn't I'm rationally I'm sure he was literally gonna walk past me well because of I'm always women I've always had that since I was younger but went that that's a sign of like someone's gonna about to happen aggressor yeah so I literally had stopped in my tracks and they walk past me first car I thought really I thought on on edge it's all walk behind me so especially someone like if it's if it's that kind of

program yeah you know someone with a hoodie on a male you know this is interesting because I know you we have right I know we hello yep you can hear me fine yeah okay yeah I know we have discussed this previously right okay yeah we've discussed this previously about social profiling now and I know we've discussed this in relation to race

as well whoa like if you see and this thing of saying well this thing saying that let's say a black youth or doesn't even have to be a youth black glad he's got a hoodie on and it kind of triggers anxiety in people now on one hand that is kind of deemed like racial profiling yeah on the other hand do you I mean what you're saying so this is why I said it I find it very some was almost very hard to deal with him sense that like I'm

someone who's married because it actually notices myself a very Pro black for the black very Pro black for the probe for the black cause and I believe is it very important course to play it for and I do believe racial profiling is you know despicable III disagree why should profiling by the same time I find myself almost acting in a way that contradicts that because because I literally act it's not even like something again it wasn't something that I can't even put on or I can control that makes sense literally when I but it's weird because at the same time naturally when you enough I go to my old air in London and I see a gang of 20

people I have no intimidation guy no everyone okay what do you mean only in the area that you grew up for example that's what everyone like you know looking very intimidating for example take 20 guys hoods and stuff I'll have no issue there okay and I went I wouldn't feel anything but when I've got in a minute I leave that circle and I'm in another area I kind of really trigger something but I think it's because of literally I don't know maybe you might not be as familiar but growing up in that state you only knew your state the minute you left your state you should it's tightly that's a sign that you have to get ready to just fight somebody and you don't know when that I was gonna

leave I'm in 2007 when my friend was well my friend was killed that was like those 34 stabbings of people under the age of 16 in the one year that was like I think I might've press one edge yeah parents one edge that was a very much like my time and I mean I kept telling you like honestly shakes like looking back it's almost if I didn't have the memories to share with other people and we can discuss it I wouldn't believe some of the stuff actually happen like before I left London I was 13 and by that time I've been chased from sum of a knife I mean we had I went to apply which was shot at for example like you know I mean like this all experience happening and I was

at the time y'all realize it but now you feel like oh wow that's not what that's not a normal fighting experience should be yeah you know I remember watching on some show it was about it was about Somali parents saying that well they were actually taking the child back to Somalia whoa saying well I mean it was a teenager child or late teens what saying that I feel it's gonna be ironically safer than the streets of London yeah

and and they were saying maybe like if this is a particular age group that is most highly exposed your most dangerous may be for other people it's not as dangerous and then particular ethnicities more so well the thing is I think it's like you have to do again you don't realize now me being like much older now like I didn't realize at the time but why is it my area would just be a black area for example I mean these are not houses that I've been bought these houses are given by the council is amazing that council clearly when you say black area what do you mean like the majority yeah the whole neighborhood majority the whole okay my areas are

home to be like Eastland and there she's I mean what is it is about houses are before these are what council is giving council is clearly true all right the council has a role indication of the estates you're putting gentrification kind of thing the whole I mean the densification wasn't so much a big turn back then as it is now those like I mean states existed by I mean like it was like you're putting like the edge so where I lived I lived in POW block and those free those like two of blocks there to it you have like several teenagers in at the age of life all the similar a between eight of my 11 to 18 several young black men for example and then out of time well you're removing services and luck

so a lot of sense of fighting to be moved at a time it was you know you're causing this condition and the people have nothing else to do and then and then and it I mean you said I mean what I was thinking this is not the government's fault but naturally I went online looking back and now that know why but people you start representing your postcode you rep in your postcode that's stupid but literally Western is this it's an extension of tribalism it is but the thing is it's like speaking to Kyle gain that by this morning do you know the way we grew up it was like there's only two options you had on that environment you know the victim or the person who does the like your victimized

people that's the only option you have evil you become a victim in that environment and you get you know I mean I'm not even it's weird because not like no one else couldn't do it to you but your friends will like take the mick out he'll you know take this with you on the Mick with you you know I mean like you know got your the other leg or something Maggie oh what's the word like your personal goes to the shop the person who like I no one wants to be that person they kind of laugh dog yeah you that person go shop do this Rob this person you know or you're the person who is is this an extension of the kind of broken

families or not really did you find a pattern is there a pattern that most of these happen to so for example absentee father's things like this or not really all that's not yes or no yes and if I don't think this I don't know whether it's that because I mean naturally yes a lot of people underestimate what single parents that's true well equally people who who were also in the guy quote-unquote game we're not single fellas and they were come from good homes that to me okay some good home by parable parents working for example but it is like that finger of light again it's like this is an estate you're in naturally people don't become friends you guys it's

people and this is its area that's people you see the most yeah yeah and now on this day is even you become a victim or the lap dog or you're going to become someone who tries to earn your stripes so I think you have to choose your path and as importantly onion strikes and he's doing a lot of crazy stuff what what could be a possible kind of prevention method what could be I mean because is this not part of the mindset as well of people as those two circumstances as well I mean and if so what is it that's leading to that mindset no of course of course it has to

do with the mindset of people it's like I mean yours your environment had plays heavily on how you see the world and people literature's do not lie me bluntly I think people forget London being so big is a bubble in on itself when you say London for example I only when I I grew up in East London I never left his family when I was in London you only ever stay in that area only when I moved to Berlin was I realized this area such as Bradford and leaves and right you hear about them but you never even once do people don't leave London moment yeah so you never even you don't even know a well outside your environment oh

you and what are you seeing I mean obviously in your furnace I was doing tomorrow to young people people with young people and only way you're gonna get out of this look I was very telling though no one I doubt people want to be getting back I don't think people want to do humph people don't think people want to drop do this don't you think that there is a lot of glory and glamour to that culture but I don't know the glory and the glamour as as as much it is people see okay what's the way out of my my circumstance I'm in a single-parent home I'm not I want to have nice films I want to be able to do nice thing having a nine-to-five not gonna give me like I mean finding out my remember I'm in being about 13 and

people like older people in my area trying to convince me to start selling drugs for example yeah I'm the man and the did it but I like but we spoke about I mean I've been quite young I'm 13 years old I believe and then he told me why would I go to work when I can go into this alleyway and every time I once anyway I get sixty pounds I can do as much as I want in the day naturally I'll handle hours a bit more a bit wiser than I was it's coming it's getting but I think that goodbye enough you think look at appealing that's what you can make woman two three four five grand in a week absolutely why wouldn't you your

surpasses a crowd the money in the aspect is 100% an appealing factor I mean I remember you know when I used to study yeah so this is like mid latest 90s so probably I went off 97 oh now I remember coming back in I think it must have been 99 or something just for a few months for about two months I came back and then or about six weeks I came back for it was like family wedding war now I remember at that time because I've been slightly distanced from some of my friends I came

back and one of my mates he was you know I don't know but he was dealing drugs and things and he just kind of taken over from somebody that's how he kind of got in this oh he was very close with somebody and that person was going through something and he just trusted him so I said listen why do you just take over this line when he wasn't doing any of the actual running or anything he was just kind of taking the calls here to make this delivery quick quick the plug okay so and he was with me and I remember he said to me oh you know you've been the star said yeah

I've been studying he said yeah yeah let's go let's go out for a meal to go for a meal nice restaurant and remember this is going like 98 99 like this is like ages ago when no it's not like it is now so and he was like yeah you don't don't worry man I got this and he's like here 2014 yanking wow like you know you really and he's like he's got he had a car and we've just we must have just been maybe 18 18 and a half maybe going on 90 we were and he had a car and I remember I was like wow how'd you and so he non-stop was getting calls even

whilst we were there right so we were chill now having some food non-stop getting calls and he was like yeah yeah you had like two phones here I remember him telling me that at the time that oh yeah you know what it is I'm I'm kind of basically he was shutting drugs I I first didn't believe him get out of here and and he was and then he said to me at the time he was making uh anything between two to three hundred pounds a day uh back then that was huge yeah I

mean back then people you know if they lucky making that on a weekly basis if they lucky I was like so wild honestly by the I mean I was also in doubt whether he was lying or not what I mean I but I think most likely was true but yet the money aspect is definitely there but there is a glamour as well to the pahoa the trauma to the power but it's more to do with I feel like if people saw it as a way out I feel like as I left understand as a young black person in that environment there's very limited

options that you not just like you know how people you might have a motivational motivational speaker come to your school yeah but if you back your mind thinking but you haven't grown up we're gonna you don't know my circumstance yeah so we've been with like that environment you I don't think people enjoy some junk festival yeah but you see it's actually hard work yeah exactly very hard work and it's intense like I've spoken to a few people who you know you when you end up you know you when you're quarantined so yeah people are so relaxed and open yeah because when I was in prison people

were they were so casual about obviously like I would just ask them or bro what did you do outside what he used to do he's like yeah just shot drugs in it I was like fingers that you see and when you talk to them they worked endless hours they would wake up in the morning they were crafts I mean they they used to be like I wake up something yeah yeah I've worked till like 10:00 11:00 12:00 at night I'm driving I'm delivering up cold and you're thinking you know if you put this

kind of effort into ownership you're the millionaire man it'll make some serious I'm legit legitimate money you can you know but what I was saying to like I said back to my point I think on the other young black person it's only saying you see certain options for example so your options of young black person we're gonna see it's gonna do music you're gonna be a wrap up and even rapidly seen comes a whole hell of fun or drama or you're going to be drug dealer yeah and that's pretty much all you're gonna be like or some kind of entertainer that's like you wishing that this is the way out

yeah that's the way out this is what people are gonna have that's the way out as well that's what we see has a way out you see as well and some kind of entertainment if you're not gonna tell them they're not gonna make you oh you're gonna do some kind of gonna be to get into drugs that's what that's what a lot of people see so it's like you know what kind of what kind of young people do but I serve I feel like it's funny because back in Italian they can kind of gone full circle tiny tour said in the beginning about evidence ayat meaning people now my 22 I was still involved in that lifestyle or have left up and left that lifestyle to collect it somehow they are not okay mentally like thought

the dog goes off and they're on edge if there's someone don't know there are my even has not been a less than you nobody follows you for ever almost less she's in the country is that because I used to are you saying that because of the drug abuse itself or because the culture things that you felt that you've probably seen and go up to you know so I feel it's so important for a person once they've become an adult to change the environment yeah you know well lie I can't I know that's not gonna be an easy thing to for people to do but I can't emphasize how beneficial it is like I

grew up in an area [Music] we the certain set of friends and and and some of them are still I mean very few of them I still out but I'm in touch with and stuff like this but but then when I went off to study for several years and came back I came back to a different part of birth yeah okay and so my parents had moved more or waved towards the kind of aborted green in the opposite end so we've gone from one end to the other end so I never really knew anyone and I've had to kind of really introduce myself to people yeah and create a new circle but but the

beneficial thing in this is you see everything kind of starts clean slate or like you can be who you want to be now like you don't have to like so for example you're saying these things in childhood they're not necessarily haunting you're a person because sometimes that is a huge inhibiting factor that not a lot of people can escape you know that let's say let's say they've made some mistakes or something or they they were you know people I don't know they were bullied or let's say they committed some crimes or they did something or now people everybody knows them and this is what they know them as and it's just it's difficult

outrunning a past I think so I feel that if it's possible people to change the the kind of environment to be able to make new friends new social circles it does is I mean it may seem like a challenge but it's amazing I mean you know I want to ask that you know with this we're speaking about people these struggles do you feel that this is like a morality issue like you know people like the wrong they're doing the the

gangbanging culture the is this a is this like are they is their deficit in ethics and if so where is that coming from is this is this like a class thing that you you know you see some people they walk they always kind of do good they will try to do you know don't try to do good by people by society by I mean neither is it I mean what what are you why is it because I often think sometimes that look I think about the Pakistani

community in the UK and they've not buy it generally speaking by and large they are not broken families you know they're very close-knit families many siblings both parents usually both usually working in their own ways maybe I mean when we were kids both were working in their own ways maybe the mother would sell more things and the father worked in a factory and this was like most the kind of Pakistanis I knew I mean when they're from a rural background they're not the city folk kind of people so but the when I see that the kind of youngsters who are now all grown up in

all adults at least in their 30s above into 30s to 40s that kind of age that that generation of people and even the ones that have come after the Millennials within this community a lot of them have turned to a kind of like a road man culture a kind of gangbang whether it's not it's not about being gangbanged but about drugs or its about fraud they love ripping people like this such a culture about ripping people off or and I think like you know what if you went back to the grandparents of most of

these people in the in the kind of who were from villages they were actually people who valued honesty yeah they weren't people that were kind of in it for a quick book in it for a quick scam they would but this is so like it's almost in our DNA now you know to be kind of so fraudulent so conniving so what went wrong like I I I don't know like I you know I speak to a lot of people with relationship issues especially from the Asian community Pakistanis especially

they they totally relationships are ruined like people think they struggle to find people with good character good morals I'm I generally don't genuinely you don't know what what is it that's going wrong what kind of what kind of I don't know because you say that that that's just one aspect of maybe the ethics on my team people declaring for them on the streets there's so many other like loyalty is a big thing true I feel sometimes that is it you know the like you know with is it the kind of

does does the factor of the bond between parent no parent has with his child and sometimes I think the father yeah has with the child the qualitative fabric on that bond when it to does that play a role do people feel like you know sometimes people don't want to disappoint yeah that they don't want to grow up having disappointed yeah like I don't want to do something that will disappoint my father that will disappoint like all these is that a

powerful element and the absence of it I got I definitely but I also believe cause people teams I don't know amongst young black people there's something in that whoever is going to be internalized hatred ourselves for example and what I mean by internalized it yourself is that you tend to I mean Carla if anyone went to the prison did like a test and then he was like asking and asking like any other black people you know who do you think is most likely to be a lawyer for example it is like why black people and the automatic consensus like us is most choose who's who is more likely to

possibly rob you is most likely to you know whatever it may be and I just like showed even because their experiences or whatever it may be is that they've internalize that this kind of internalized self-hatred of a cell but why I mean what I didn't reject it you know so like for example you find a person black person is more likely to be the white class alright that's interesting I don't okay is that what the data show yeah that's what color will say anyway so you'll find that I like something something like rejected on to their own normal yeah because they see almost themselves and they don't

like it I don't like this image I don't like myself wherever that may be and this is fessing represents that image which I don't like and will like to get issued leave you then I will look like okay if somebody had mentioned clear he had mentioned about making your parents for your product that was exactly a sentiment I was speaking about and I think that there is because I sometimes I look at my own children and I see the kind of bond I mean I don't know what they'll be like when they turn

into teammate I dread the thought but I think you know there's that kind of bond obviously one which we never ever had with our parents I mean I worry most Pakistanis didn't have I don't know I think other communities may have had more but so I don't know whether it's the absence of a person because I think our parents kind of when we grew up we weren't allowed to go out much we we grew up with quarantine people like what are you doing quarantine like we've got

with me trained for this our entire you know like we wouldn't have to go out like we I just have to see at home that's like go to the garden bands like what do you mean like you know unless we had a particular place we were going to like that was like masks or they'd sending us to the shop for something but we weren't just allowed to play out so and I remember one of my friends was and we used to always think he all my god this guy lives like a king but the point is that so we had the presence of our

parents always they they were always kind of my dad would be working and come back and and and but my mother would always be there very kind of like strict as well we're not bringing so I don't feel it was the presence in fact the presence was scary it wasn't a there wasn't a kind of warm ambience to the present like being so I so I think is it more this this qualitative bond this kind of this wanting to make somebody proud this kind of thing because some studies show

psychological stoniest some shelter and if the parents know where their children are like let's say I know my child is right now at swimming and I know he's gonna be at this point at this time at this point and the children are aware that the parents know war that they are less likely to get into kind of criminal activity like the data there's been kind of longitudinal psychological studies so that that because I suppose this uh in some ways it's like how God can see me

yeah you know and then you kind of lower it down the levels I mean that's at the ultimate God can see me but you know all my parents also know where I am it's like oh [ __ ] got real and it's like I'm gonna get I'm gonna get beat up when I get home so you know things get like so at some I don't think about it and log the single-parent homes is that that option is not even available how often do you even see your parents could be apparent won't waking ups work at the Saturday your wake up meant same time

you're going to school nine to three 800-page with we got hungry point by for foreplay I'd like to find a time to get homesick senator did another pencil mark sleep by it this is the way to society sup and it's kind of work and I'm too fired about Paris or Sudeikis until it's too late Delaney literally literally what was to what would you do list no it wasn't luxury if you have the luxury of like maybe self-employed or everything be then and we do have that well then that the minute what you know maternity leave won't be two years maybe well yeah I'm sorry eternity in two

weeks just to sort out your child support allowance is gonna be chasing you soon we give you two weeks to put your paper you parents get to see their kids and when I'm ravenous do you know is it seeing but this is what I'm saying or is it this kind of awareness this kind of the relationship does it transcend physicality and like

localism if you don't feel that in your family room which is very difficult in many circumstances or both if it might be working they're gonna stick the other way we can see that validation talk about roasts and actually the way it's states of course for many areas captain you have like a group of twenty thirty people they can like you know you hear the statement a lot the streets raised me of course of course I put my friend became like family so I substitute surrogate yes yeah I mean friends are in

many ways the new family there is no doubt about that but I mean I I just sometimes do think about like what is the easy you know in some ways people will say like is it the date you know like some people feel that the day and age people have got more greed here or I don't know is it just that we've become more aware of these things and therefore we think they are greedy or worthy or is it that because they had less to be greedy about because if you go back to I don't know people say yeah but in the 60s and

70s or even before like you know like in the Euro of my grandparents people feel that oh people weren't as much out there to con one another or this sense of greed wasn't there yeah I don't I don't know I mean isn't it City would you you see you're younger I don't know if you feel that our people more is there a higher developed sense of greed I don't know about greed or economy but I do know that is especially the social media age there is this cinematic

you know we talk about you know how share about showing your likely picture that's a new kind of like asking a new kind of like social that's a tragedy in itself is yeah it's such a tragedy honestly I so fear these kind of things you know if there's something I fear for my children it's this you know this this social media currency like I because it's something you can't you can't control like I can't protect them entirely from

it everything only getting worse because people won this the the social pressure to appear picture-perfect then and then there's things like obviously the social kind of I suppose there is the cyberbullying yeah but then and and some platforms have taken that very seriously you know I'm to love but then there's the you know it's not bullying but it's the lack of the absence of like the absence of likes yeah the absence of

validation is it's kind of causing an implosion like they you know they're becoming really you know people take daylight yo amazing people you think like you know Wow listen got everything going for them you know youthful vibrant intelligent head start in life yeah you know it's a shame you because I feel an X for me it's less than like a double edge because why I personally unborn social media but I kind of I can kind of see through it what it is I know a lot of people don't live like this may I don't know image because I've been fortunate to have a

lot of core core influences presence I know that like they might have a million followers 200 capable of they go up a blue tick and a blue ticket you know Bridget you know verify that instance together you might have all these things I know down when you mean me out of them or just making the people of what you said what is in the Internet no it's not what yeah maybe because I see that I know that I don't give so much way to to these like so much please follow it so much like to work I know I know you say when you see them in real life just to act what does that mean when you see them in real life do you mean just

yes there's two things one you mean so bright people those of you that have just tuned in do click like click share just wait for mom or to set up and then we'll have him somebody saying I created an Instagram account because I don't have death lips or butt implants we know

other legit Auslan anal arbalet so right we've got I'll let you I'll let you just settle in mama yep I'll let you go into the room where your tag can freely move around right so so I mean yes I was new follower first question what your thought on dr.

Rashid Holofernes theory I'm not sure who that is Musti who will be the next guest right well tomorrow I hopefully you've got see the ball coming on a great amazing scholar just gonna bring mama have you got that right is it yes really sure I mean yeah that's that's great yeah yeah cool I mean as soon as you've got it still I'll bring it live people writes up a variety ball sorry that was just he thought he heard a police siren so yeah

all right sorry of these mics back on now I said yeah somebody saying bring on people and debate them now that's not the purpose of this shell it's not about debating people right Naz Hussein should be your guest well I mean he can tell me what is into a bit about him and then why not why not most do you have you ever dated black women Zabar's asked a question what a strange question we know you know people

don't discriminate you know that I had asked a few questions I'll take by the way I am seeing some of your questions don't it's just that when we're in the conversation sometimes it's hard to kind of break the flow and right okay so will I will be keeping in is shukran shukran what's the purpose the purpose is to have a transparent real conversation about issues that are complex that are sometimes difficult year crucial and

just keep it real I guess and today's guest is mama mama do tell all right so and we were just talking about social media a moment ago on you see you asked me to pose asking what is your life what do you mean by not the kind of images it will have an Instagram persona it's a gun yeah by that do you mean by that just to kind of add some light like as beautiful as as pretty as as kind of does that necessarily count as well because I know some sometimes you know it's like it's been said that even the the model in the

photo isn't as pretty as the model in the photo it's like it's like it could be beautiful or could be just as good with us as good as as happy yes yeah as happy I think a good compromise in my life okay so my life okay so that's that qualifies it that the life that you see on the social media isn't really it isn't like it's all virtual this is it it's basically a lot of it to explain

but it's like it's like I said it before I'm not sure if I've had the protein opportunity that being close to people Wow something out of the time popular Instagram very popular I'm not sure because I have put enough to be around those TV back trees I feel I know we've spoken about this before mama I feel a lot of these the Facebook a lot of the kind of insta profiles I think the kind of influence Pro philic lifestyle that is presented it's it's a facade this is not what you well it's a lot of it is BS in the sense in the sense it's there just to get

likes and to present that look I'm really happy I mean and then you got some depressed bechara he comes on or she comes on incident she goes through everything you know all the she's seeing all these things on her feed and it's like everybody looks so pretty everybody look so you know so glamorous everybody looks so awesome they're all they're all having an awesome time they're all laughing they're all amazing

except her or him yeah and they feel that my life is total [ __ ] that's the only issue that is it's because those people don't have access to the note and AP class that's how it likes hallways well the or do they know let's say listen didn't freak out for time we have a pretty picture front of a TV show every today everything she's posted a picture at the best artist she's planning one day taking 30 20 pictures and the post in one of the articles for

this country everything no they know these people taking ages ago yeah but you see it scares me the virtual world it's creating because you see for people it's see not for me because obviously I think I don't know but I think maybe my generation not so much but the younger people especially I feel that they will struggle to kind of then to to differentiate between what is reality what is real like they feel this is real

and in some ways I wanna you know you think you need to wake these people up somehow that this is not reality like this it's all fine if you want to do it put it you know put pictures do this do this but this is not the real world like people are not you know what you're seeing in this Kodak moment of them being so happy because you see we are a social species if we compare ourselves with others around us like I compare my contentment is based on a social element of people around me now this is at a

subconscious level and and people can people can kind of like struggle with enough and try to overcome that and with the kind of self but if you don't you and I've quoted this you know the the the kind of challenge scenario the hypothetical scenario of the million dollar question with the with the bag where if a person as an as a thought experiment it was put before people that if you are sitting with another person and you have and somebody comes in and they put a bag down and the bag has a

million pounds in it it's a huge bag and and they say well this is a million pounds and it's it's but it belongs to both of you to you but the way it's gonna work is the other not you the other person gets to make one statement only of how much he will give you out of this bag and if you accept you both both walk away with the nominee nominated sums but if you decline nobody walks away with anything so now you think well that's easy but you see what if the other person said well I'll give you

1,000 pounds I'll give you 5,000 pounds do you know statistically most people unless they were offered between twenty to thirty percent would rather walk out with nothing then see the other person walk out with so much more because and this is very telling of of the human nafs of the human psyche because we compare ourselves in relation to others even though logically I you see when I walked into this door when I walked through that door sorry I will now walk out 1,000 pounds richer

5,000 pounds rich I can do a lot with 5,000 pounds I can do a lot with 2,000 pounds which more than what I already have but because that person is gonna walk out with 1 million - mm I'm not gonna accept that like I want the minimum is I want something like 200k I want like because 20 percent I want I want to feel that you know okay I you want something or I will sustain happily the loss of one thousand pounds two thousand pounds to know in my heart

and mind that you lost out on the better part of a million and this is what most results showed and this is it's amazing because it's so telling you know there was another research that a qualitative research that showed people who lost their jobs to realize to learn that their job was then taken over by a machine a robot and their counterparts who came to realize that their job was taken over by another person those people felt more hurt the latter people so those who lost a

job coming to know that well it got all computerized like I used to do this ice to pick this package put it here and now they brought in a machine are these damn machines but if they found out another person got my job it hurts a lot more doesn't it because you think well I could have you know it could be me because it's in the mind it's in the nerves you see so I don't and this this is this lee you used is wired not a center - inverse okay I kind of feel

that these things that the nufs is the mind in the sense that this is consciousness yeah I mean which I suppose is kind of trapped into the mind as well it's kind of I suppose when we say the nerves as the mind we're more it is consciousness as well but it's more so from the perspective of the physical you yes like the you that has collected experiences the you that has gone through this world and you know picked

up human behavior but yeah so hmm I mean I don't so it was this this world of this virtual world that people have now created in gram has boosted that as it does scares me and I don't like the fact that this is why I know we discussed this taking away likes which you did disagree with because influencers work hard you said yes and they deserve the the kind of likes which at which fair enough I agree right [Music]

so bright tilt the I mean somebody some people he had spoken about that thought experiment saying they would accept 10% or not but I was just saying that most studies showed that until a person received a substantial amount which by the majority of the data showed it to be between twenty to thirty percent there was some that would walk out with anything good-hearted people yet the very the uber logical who thought that look well you know I'm still walking out

of here 1,000 pounds richer but but most people the emotions would get the better of them because you'd kind of I won't lie I would feel hurt if a person put down a million pounds and I get happy my eyes gleam up and he says well you know it's your lucky day you're getting 1,000 I would think one thousand watch if I don't make you lose this all I would get much greater satisfaction knowing that person lost it all I suppose it ties

into what's called schadenfreude a you know where you seek a sense of pleasure from the misery of others is it I guess I don't know you're kind of happy knowing that that person also lost schadenfreude a year so it's a german term to in arabic they have it word for his well called schemata schemata well at ich was it to schmidt BL ad as in the and haroon at least and I'm says to Moosa when he grabs him by the beard that don't give them but uh yeah I mean I but I suppose this thing is a realities in this whole world yeah and

it does I think I just worry I worry for people who I think can't handle it I think and I know you had a you've got a you had a friend who who passed recently as well didn't he committed suicide you know my law have mercy on him and grant him John metal fair DOS I mean he was somebody you grew up with he was young it was your age ten is best about

the violin I really can't see the planet from 2016 yeah

what's the I mean it's it's a very difficult thing to to even ask because obviously mental health is so was this something was a of a spontaneous hereditary was it something circumstances what do you think I

hope that went wrong you know we mentioned social media and it's kind of sometimes these issues was that a factor in any of this was it was there something going on online not really that wasn't a factor like this case these days but yeah I mean bipolar is very complex isn't he and it's very I have known what only a few people personally as in who I mean I've I've known many more that have

had bipod but not really known them numb them but I have known of maybe just a few personally yeah and it can be very difficult it's very difficult because to you know for to kind of deal with the put like when these people have a kind of like a manic attack or sometimes or sometimes when these people get angry they may get really angry sometimes when they get you know like it's it's really strange and for normal people they can

become so easily kind of fed up I don't know that's not the right word or anything but people you see they kind of feel that what on earth are you doing why are you playing up why are you you know what the hell's wrong with you yeah I mean I don't I don't I don't know I just but I know it's been really a bit the one or two people that I have known it it was really difficult to kind of to kind of handle it for for for other than them I mean they

just have outbursts at these time but for normal people to tolerate that is difficult and I don't know how much can they can they control it more you you you you expect I expect and this could just be me the ignorant me I expect them to be able to control it like and because otherwise it's very you know like if there's a person here like a grown person throwing a tantrum I don't mean a child it's a grown adult will not put up with it for so long you'll kind of be like look you better you know like fair enough of you so I mean I

it's difficult you know may Allah protect people from these kind of mental positions I mean date and these are lifelong conditions these are not something that just kind of come and go I mean I don't know why why are more people like this I do because I said this on my recent one of my lives that look at a clarification on weed and I said that look I do feel that because

humans brain is still developing up until the age of 25 and by a team up until 18 which is the legal statutory thing I would definitely go with but generally I would set on my benchmark at like 25 that you see prior to that people who do interfere with psychoactive drugs that they are probably damaging the neural pathways and the synaptic kind of formations that need to be born and developed yet they they're kind of ruining them and I feel that it's you know that they will only suffer from this and I did say that I

feel this is categorically a haram for them because they just seem to be such a great number of young people young and by

saying to that but they might not have setting of you I was definitely happy behavioral habits don't definitely have the issues right by myself my question is that have we got a point in life where no matter our chickens were no longer concentrating the basic right commodity should run much love for your support I totally agree with you in the sense that these questions are so intriguing and so and I do feel that

people have always had problems you know people have whether they were our parents generation or whatever but I also do see that they were less they were less maybe psychological issues but was that because we weren't testing is just is it just more testing and statements is it also that we have a society that allows people an excuse in some cases in some cases because I know I you see we've had this discussion quite a bit that certain views and ways

that I see the world sometimes which is you know like I suppose people younger people which they old us just kind of toxic masculinity you know dislike man up and just get on with it what the hell's wrong with you you know this kind of and they say that that's you know you know you can't be like that with people you know they need to be kind of gently handled this and I I do understand that as well that they do need to be but so I do feel in some cases there is this you know people will just be like oh I'm depressed I'm depressed I just sit in my room but you

know I'm depressed I I can't do anything in life and whereas that maybe twenty thirty years ago they wouldn't have had that option or that luxury to say that they would have been forced and kick-started their engine like sometimes I think you do you might need a little push if you your engine you know the car stops kind of thing but then people might say you know butt kick are you not just you know is that not just kind of bullying the person and being wrong to them and that's something you don't want to obviously do either so I don't know it's a tough one I think we're in an age where nobody seems to

know like the those who are us of some let's say 40 and above would definitely feel part of you know dicta they're not the majority of the people today on the kerubim they're not like you know even though they understand a lot of this culture that is around they still feel out of sync and that they don't have the solutions the people who are younger that they would feel that you know people are not understanding this as an

excuse they almost they basically want

pity yes that's what we're saying yeah they've not pity from people pity you see don't people and be pity only I mean it's very momentary but then don't most people despise people that are help like that they are purposely helpless like that they are you know like even like the saying god helps those who help themselves

of course not of course I mean I think that's a very important thing to say the chakra that we shouldn't undermine that somebody said there's a massive echo sir is there an echo Momo is echoing mama shouldn't be echoing no Risa his thing from here I stay right

hello hello mama can you yep test is it is Mama's mom eyes echoing that's the story of his life people somebody said is it is he still echoing maybe if you know what maybe mama if you you you do the the thing again you pull it out and put it back just so people can realize it to you whoa I can hear myself now isn't it cool okay that's better hello mama testing testing mama always

come for real oh very quiet why is it gone so quiet mama it's okay we're not we're not breaking in right now you can be loud it's a bit low it's the volume of trying to try putting the volume hmm I just ah yeah that's a bit better yeah yeah that's better it's like yes slightly more yep that's good that's good it's the mother of all echoes is it still someone get mom on you Mike echo Alec but is it let's see

if if we get some feedback on this now that Momo's done that is it any better people let me just see I don't want it to be don't want people to miss out on the amazing words does mama recite yeah right now and when you want them to comment they don't comment mom or can you speak by the way right I yep I can hear you so I tell you what so somebody just commented but he said Salam so okay you were saying mama well Sivaji z-bar

always throwing in some interesting questions could it be a halal and expected from women to flash breasts since Allah also entices men with vision and mentions of perky in the quran did you hear that Mama I heard that right so I don't think a single man would whatever disagree with women you know like you get these protests where women kind of remove their bras yeah and I don't know like why would men men like that would be

just like the world's most peaceful protest they've just be like people just be like uh-huh sorry what are your demands sorry sorry what are your demands again oh sorry sorry what did you say your de France oh I never heard a single word sir right so that's so yep mom was in full support of the burn burned the bra liberate humans were born free yet everywhere they are being held back they are

chained of course exchange bar say they're being held back all right so mmm all right so that's interesting thought though but that you're right there is imagery in the Koran so what what is wrong with the imagery of of fine as it's being asked are fine breasts as it says in the question well sorry it says flash breath sorry that my subconscious mind filling in the blank words right so what are

your thoughts on that Momo I mean as a student of knowledge I think on that you'll just have interesting thoughts like everybody else like the rest of you know it is interesting though from a psychological perspective how mesmerizing and hypnotic breasts are for men it's from you know if a person from an art perspective I'm speaking as an artist now listen to me the judgmental idiots I'm speaking as an artist it's so hypnotic

for men have you have you have you I don't know if you've ever come across this not that have you ever come across breasts but if you come across this concept it is very very kind of it can place people in a trance almost have you got somebody else on the screen there so right but what I what is your thoughts on this erotic imagery that is that is that is kind of alluded to in the Quran

is this a license for they should be you know better what's wrong with that all true well you're a student of knowledge he's mr. Lamborghini he says in front of you I mean I haven't asked him to flash in front of me that's a different thing that's something we've already seen it

those photos we've already got and we'll use them as leverage so but but I think somebody said move to your perimeter yeah okay there you go but I just met it's amazing from a how there is art in nature how humans become how creatures become hypnotized why are the creatures it's I find that I find the concept of it amazing I mean I'm in it for the art only does anybody else

see the starry starry night above what van Gogh or is it just just me so mm-hmm right so I mean somebody said oh my god move the move yes of course yeah this this muscles after all you can move so okay but I mean this thought of imagery in the Quran I think it is an interesting question that I don't think erotic imagery in the Quran in that day and age

was something so sensitive I think the Arabs openly spoke about these kind of things but in subsequent cultures it became taboo yeah so today you couldn't really do it it would become a taboo for people to speak like that but in in ancient Arabia was kind of fine so somebody said it was written by men for men men would get it they like don't worry men will get it I mean

I'm sure women get what men care but what is interesting moment had is the difference between a sense of humor between men and women what what do you think that Plato is a difference do you not feel there's a difference between what do you feel that difference is let me get that out of you as well whilst you but I mean like so for example let's say your girl like girly friends a girl

for it has enough girlfriend but female friends yeah who would share some jokes with you often you probably won't find them as funny or do you find them funny I don't now why do I find that funny evil evil misogynist mom or the misogynist [Music] so okay well why not why don't you find it funny mom what about funny women if they share feelings like almost on a market that we haven't I think men have a sense of humor even have a sense of

humor like a Venn diagram or degree just wants us all to remember that human that we share but I personally not find for example is to give an example I don't find mostly male comedians quite funny but sometimes they use similar jokes that men would use in them that can be okay is it because men just like sick

dirty jokes is very I think that minnows in our arse and steam are gonna be much more organized good you must funny you only realize that someone has an all female friends well well kiss who isn't friendzone then just because you've got a lot of female friends but your friends own really shake it I'm working my privilege to have my living check yeah

what is male priviledge explain just so we all know I'm trying to understand the patriarchy exist in society how you setup for men by a man haha for men by a minute so let's just take a quick check [Laughter] the case gonna sleep God be in the case almost a sign of example male priviledge I have some issues with tell anyone listen to my privileged example thanks

okay yeah sister but I want to make it clear though but it doesn't mean it exists like everywhere and it doesn't mean necessarily that they don't have a struggle because I just want to say because sometimes there are many kind of white people who many of our watch viewers listeners followers who are white and they've you know gone through a hell of a lot of struggle in life as well so just to because some people understand from that the Oh white privilege means that they means this you

know these people are living it I've made it very clear said of course you have it's not to say your life is easy because you are white is to say your life will never be made hard because you know white yeah because they are in the UK there have been many converts who are white and they actually have a very difficult time then yeah because the Muslims are a bit distrustful they're not very it's not like in America I've noticed like white converts tend to have a much better time generally this is

what I'm here but here in the UK you get some very you know poor kind of white converts they're still living this state still living it rough and they're not and sometimes they keep hearing this white privilege white privilege and I can understand why it would get to some of them because they would feel that you know what the hell holds like just because I've got less melanin in my skin doesn't you know I've not had any easier at all I've had it just as tough so I just wanted to clarify that but yes I like that you're saying male like we won't be discriminated against for being men basically that won't be one of our difficult yes hmm I don't know no I do

have issues with the time I said but this is the time that's commonly vast about but now proving this is fast about a lot yeah okay so you saw these female friends when they share jokes with you and stuff for you you often you just find it like by junkies I'm getting acne I think it helps being with us in that age group anyway so our kind of means do you not feel that this is designed in that way from an evolutionary perspective that men having the ability to make women

laugh is an evolutionary advantage in it in order to actually kind of win them whereas the woman is just attractive for being a woman to a man but a men are not necessarily as equally attractive to women for just being men like maybe if they are attractive men but just being a man isn't necessarily am I am i speaking wrong here or saying that like how many times you see on TV oh and a super good-looking woman just average guy but you very seldom see the other way around I kind of just go for like she's a good

person it's fine about it's raining you'll see that but what do you mean you can say women would go for men for being good people it's not be a thing yeah they go for their personality isn't gonna be any guy would not be smarter than attractive a woman can yeah I mean maybe what their priorities are different focal point is on oh I love his personality what and you know it's like when they show a picture of like like a female model and they go well I mean she's got an amazing person oh no

she would at that stage nobody really cares but what's interesting is that you see that is with women that are let's say just super beautiful yeah that is more so an imminently important factor but not for long-term relationships because men who are with women that are let's say super attractive you know just overwhelmingly gorgeous but yet they're just so thick or dumb or you know you get this common thing that there this thing of like this profiling of like let's say bimbos or whatever or things like this a big doll

be like people those relationships don't last very long either because people are like well okay I've had enough now I need a bit of brains so it's more the looks are very important for men in short term yes this is what a lot of studies show as well in fact there's a lot of talk about this on in the third chimpanzee the book the third chimpanzee a lot of amazing studies on that are very an awesome book actually some people have asked I think women are much funnier they just don't want to engage men yeah sure but I do feel that it's

like an evolutionary perspective kemal Dean has asked a question about sorta Talisa about the word if and we'll come to that just you know so not to kind of digress from this that okay that's because I I feel this is interesting because I know some people have made statements like this in the past and it's been deemed sexist but you feel that even in a younger generation it still holds true do you feel that women and men can be just friends definitely it's something that we

disagree okay so not friends that you've had for years on end because you've always but from a fresh would they be certain thoughts would you what the guy still be sexualizing the woman yes you would as well you say I mean not you the personal you but your generation you of course so you say yeah so you're agreeing they can't just at the underlying factors be Ono but no but no that's not the question my friend ah we misunderstand the question what what I

mean is platonic friendship like like like when guys are friends with guys yeah that's never an underlying factor unless somebody's homosexual it would never you know so it's us oh yeah oh yeah you know I really like like if people don't like people or they do like them whatever it's clear and they want to hang out with them or they want to but with women or the opposite genders with the opposite so for women with men would there be an underlying sexual like would they also sexualize it into whether they act out or not like it could be that look they they know that look I can't do

anything anyway because it's a no-go because of X Y and Zed but all they are them or teria kind of motives also in the background their sexual you like that yes no I don't mean obviously anybody you could be friends with like you could be like so for example given the opportunities to house things let's say they had the opportunity to have sex it's like yay oh gee do you know what let's casually have sex let's say given the opportunity religion aside this this

like would they be like oh oh I never really thought of you I just friend-zoned you like you were only a friend to do that better bett yeah it's very easily I think of men friends as friends but would men be thinking even if they even if they're not gonna ever say anything not gonna ever do anything not gonna kind of act untrue

[Music] that's the question so the question is could there be ever like Kenny that sexual attraction would never enter the the Raven I know away because even America it's funny how because I know people in my generation would say that he would always enter generally a lot of people would say you would enter the radar even if it's benign like it's not I mean it's not kind of in any way harmful but it would always enter the radar until maybe it becomes so normal so once you see somebody all that

I'm for so often it just becomes normal then you may not think like that but up until it gets to that stage but for younger people younger people today say no that's like older generation thought but young us young uns we you know where it's different with us so is it I mean it really could be someone you could be a female fireman huge did not even very attractive example but after 16 months 10 months of billion in lost when it's got all the time it literally gets that way were like

okay something could happen but let's see because what I wanted to say was that it could even if it doesn't get to like let's say there's no action to come out of this yes but what we're saying is that there is still a a sense of attraction it's not 100 percent friend-zoned but perhaps more so from the other side maybe more so from the girls and hence you've got a lot of female

friends the struggles of being a millennial people the struggles how would one propose to their steps to this stepsister right so somebody say right okay change that background music you know I just want her a trial how does this work as it does it and it actually works I was

like no way a right of clock another you see what about something inspirational I could try to see let's see let's see people [Music] let me just type this in there you go all right all right all right I don't know how well this works but let's see

cool all right so that's a bit too loud we're gonna wrap this up anyway so I just know it's it's been awesome sorry let me just stop this I'm just got this going on in the background I'm just mucking around with it but yeah so okay that's been very recent academic don't worry about it mom oh yeah so somebody else always that me it was that somebody old is that the question I don't know people were there any quick questions we get them can wrap

this up any such topic when I was in my teens I was asking for a friend okay multicam women and together women and men be together in the same room who are not related [Music] Hanwha whole was so that is the question that the person has just asked here that women and men being together in the same room and from an Islamic perspective look of course women and men can be together in the same room this is called shared space between the genders I mean there's nothing yes there are certain teachings about to prevent as a

preventive measure that are the-- but that's not to mean restrict regular life so like you could be at work you could be studying you could be doing something but yes obviously if a man and woman are alone in a certain context like let's say a hotel room as it so happens at 2:00 a.m.

they like what are you doing nothing much I'll tell you what why do you come over I'm just in hotel room you know we'll go over the sum of a few of the discussions on Sahil body you know hey I've just got this new ally a t-bone fitness f/11 to feel happy where do you come over to my hotel room so this kind of stuff I feel obviously is where the hadith what they were talking about somebody said about bringing video vids yep definitely I'm

looking to bring on video vids in Charlotte as well as other people do mostly you should stream on Twitch I'm gonna look into that I'm gonna look into that I don't have I'm sure I can set that up but I thought which was just for gamers is twitch not just for gamers normal are you switching my life come on the Millennial we go to millennial thinking it's funny isn't that like even I'm feeling my age now you have access to a lot of people who are much older than you but even like okay I've always been by defining myself on being able to

be very competent in social media but now this tick tock now everyone is a tick tock these days I do not have matter work it it's so difficult these people said to me get on to tick tock so I did set up an account but I haven't done anything yeah most which who I wonder why why is the twitch app much better is it or is it you don't like you you were like turning into one of those old uncle's now I seem to know more about some of these things than you okay but you don't feel that's because of the

vibe UI people like you like you're like a part of several groups you like a part of our group so a lot of the lads in our group I mean there's a few around my age I mean that my do you feel like we've had an initiation ceremony we can't tell you about that YouTube would end up removing my channel conversation you said oh I met you on our 16 obviously

you're watts 14 years older than me I thought you said you're 60 what now I was gonna say attach that ticker if you just want to shaft me shaft me but if you want to shaft me live you've been taking I'm an old man I get it you'll now sixty sixty two sixty two for those of you that don't know you know Momo when he was 16 used to come to our classes and stuff and so we used to drop him off because obviously you know he's

to drive so sometimes they're going to the evenings and bechara are some of his poor miss Kean Momo some of his well wishes his family they got worried that easy being groomed because he's having these like grown up men always bringing him in their cars and there were different guys that would drop him off sometimes guys kids sometimes like he would drop you off he's even older than us so he's like 10 years older than us so we need to have a chat I don't play mom don't get me wrong I mean if if my kid came home with somebody looking double their age and

they say and say who was they say always might who's my friend you think no you don't have friends gonna be my age that's not how friendship works what do they want in return yeah so because of that that really helped me mature very quickly yes because I was gonna say that because if I had access to you know somebody had asked a question he had that mom or they had asked earlier on that I think it was ever had said about what how has your life being mama

I've been influenced by but by me as in my teachings of my things now I was gonna say that this in relation to this this this thought at mind at hand that if I had access to people like a circle a social circle of friends when I was let's say 18 19 20 who were at that stage like let's say much older who were because the older they are they kind of established in some ways in life like they kind of some of them have settled down some of them are doing business some of them are working like this and you just generally don't have access to

people like you might have obviously you've got your father let's say but people don't sometimes speak to their father they don't look up to their father sometimes they've got issues you might have uncle's but they're a different kind of generation of thought so I I think you know if I had access to somebody to a group it would have been so I don't know like I feel so well but yeah I mean what so this question I mean I wonder how your life has been influenced in the sense being around us being around some of the the wacky stuff we come out with probably the biggest

things I learned from you guys if I'm honest was like generosity okay that's interesting I've never I was not going to I was not expecting that that's you know I can never like I was like and I only on you realize it when you compared to our friendship groups like I've always noticed like sixteen seventeen we've you know and I was seeing that one person getting to know for example on and money not being the issues I found what you want it okay let's get this odd amount like how come these people are really generously thanked it's not a normal thing for a lot of people okay laugh example you got to tell my friend not when I was younger even even now you have people who go to a Friendship

Circle the bill comes everyone bring out there everyone turns into an accountant bringing out their influence okay I only got a drink only got chicken I only got this but actual friends prints oh well that's very normal for like a lot and I forget because I'm suppose I'll be like I learned from you guys if I've got money I just bought 20 pounds in up or whatever I don't mean just kind of every to make up the bill but then I realize I start you know other minority so I definitely feel like I've learned and I'm really gonna laugh at this year but I think I've learnt from you guys you

know I very much like you always said that Allah will provide you not really instilled in me that you know don't worry about things and I will provide don't worry don't worry so I feel like that's to think I taking away from being around you look honestly did not I have no idea you were gonna say those things I'm genuinely I've not prepped him or primed him for all right mom I'll pay you later okay that is interesting because I was just before the lockdown I was with a friend who was we're talking about a mutual friend that he knew and they kind of

circles and and this thing of like oh that they when they go out to kind of meals this thing of people being very particular about can everybody put you know 5 pounds 10 pounds in this thing and then we're gonna do this okay and for everything and and I can understand if people want to do that we'd like to say colleagues or people that they're not necessarily friends with but just acquaintances like I just know like I you know there's 10 people here why should I pay for these Tempe I don't really know so I can understand that mentality if people were gonna think like that but these were talking about

close friends like close friends when I found I find that such like so Wow and it is strange that there is a culture here especially in the worst of even though yet people are not necessarily poor here yeah but there is an immense culture of like counting the pennies yep and and I've always felt that in it in in a maybe in an inexplicable way but that leads to a deprivation of Baraka and I kind of felt that you know

like there's this thing which is attributed as a hadith that you know that don't count it unless Allah lest Allah should remove the Baraka from it that you know there's a hadith the Prophet said to Ayesha that she was about to count something that he brought and and whether the chain is disputed or not but that and he said latter I see her for us a law a league don't you count it that lest Allah should take it into counting and thereby deprive it of its kind of blessing and Baraka and I find that seriously so somebody said I thought being stingy was a DC thing I don't know because I've had mixed

experiences I've had people who sometimes are very tight I've come across them but I've come across people generally when it comes to amongst the people they are happy to spend with they will spend like they will spend amongst friends with family and I even saw that in places like Pakistan where people didn't have much like they didn't have much they would feel that you know there's a sense of you have to like you know give them something like hospitality like Oprah you know even if it's because if people have littles obviously they can only give little but

the concept of let's provide some you know tea water whatever it is you know some through something but this thing of a person who's come here should never feel that I've not you know given them something a sense of hospitality and I feel that is also something so missing from maybe not all but many Western kind of social circles and and people's lives I feel especially in the West that they feel that you know it's no big deal like I used to always find it really strange as you probably I don't know whether you found this strength because your

background because one year you would have had more of an opportunity to experience it being in very mixed circles but you your background at the same time is can there's a lot of I was a rich culture study yeah but me as a kid when I went I liked a lot a lot of my friends would they see anyway but the few let's say white friends or sometimes there were some black friends that we let's say we went into their homes and things like this this we had this thing and even right up until growing up even later on like well you know if I've got this thing off like like you could come to my

house now and I'll just be like all here I'm just making myself a cup of tea and then I'll just sit here and then I'll just have you and you'll just sit there and I don't even now want that tea but I'm feeling so awkward about I just feel like like I just felt awkward all of a sudden and now I'm trying to mask and hide the awkwardness because because it's so normal to to for me to like that you wouldn't be able to have something like I could not have food if other people were not gonna have food I I could not sit here and have food I would

then just like not have food until they go yeah or we would all have food like it's not like food is something like it's a hundred percent no no like I could never do that with a drink I said to you would you like some tea and you said no I'm not gonna have it and I said look oh you sure let me make it a soft drink thing how about Cole tree and I'll stress and if you said nothing okay I could still maybe have a drink then if you've declined it without you but I could not do that with food I could not like sit here and eat I'll be like look you have to have no okay TK I'll have it later on it doesn't matter like it's not because that's just to me so I don't know like I find it so disrespectful I

don't know like amongst English for example yeah like I I saw that in when I would go sometimes as a guest somewhere people would just sit down and they would just be like I don't mind me I'm just eating and I've just got mine and there wouldn't even be they wouldn't say and I don't I don't want the food but there wouldn't be an offer anyway yeah who's asking anyway but then I would get I don't know why I would get like feel Oh Oh like I feel awkward now like like now don't ask I don't know like I don't know why I would

feel that I would become really conscientious of this so yeah but that is so weird though cool people we've gone on for quite a bit of a while all right so let's wrap this up so guys you've been awesome I've got of quite a few comments here mammon are the Pakistani versions of good G's in India okay people have asked what was Momo specializing in al-azhar he is studying different Sciences he's looking to specialize what are you looking to specialize in more modest surely I take

it yeah surely he has a keen interest in things like Maliki filk and Sharia studies generally hadith studies he is looking into a lot of these kind of things okay and some of the other questions will explain them later on somebody's asked about NASA Lama I think tomorrow's guest will try and get him on much earlier he's a very senior figure within the UK by the way somebody said I feel like mom or fake laughs with Mufti hired people you know what it is these people at his house he doesn't exactly that's all it is

trust me this guy is a hundred percent certified Haram me not go by the innocence I'm telling you so yeah but speak that's speaking of more pious people we've got share Sadiq Val who is a legend one of the most I feel senior orlimar within the UK within the Western world incredibly intelligent very well first I'm gonna try and get him on tomorrow night so do tune in for that other than that people you know the drill remember to like [ __ ] this is from Momo so I'm gonna say gonna bid you all farewell take very good care of

yourselves or Salaam o aleikum wa rahmatullah to Allah Allah better care to people and Momo likewise from you as well it's not any fun guys