Israel/USA losing! - The Ego Roadblock - Hadith Absolutism, - The Sacred | Midweek Meetup | MALM

allahar ald allahar how are the people how is the you know

I I felt that let me just allow people to tune in you know may I do these sudden although it is actually routined in isn't it it's Wednesday midweek midweek meetups I thought I'll you know what let's let's share some thoughts Reflections and today I'll allow uh I'll share the link and let you guys if you

want to jump on and share some of your own thoughts you can do that as well so I thought I'll keep it because usually what's been happening for a little while now is I come on and I have something I'd like to discuss and then you know time is constrained and so I have to leave it and shoot off so I thought today chillo I'll share some thoughts and then just really let you guys kind of jump on and discuss whatever is preoccupying your precious thoughts let me actually tell

my [Music] um my Discord group but till then you guys can click like and share um I'll just see here right all right okay so that's done

so allahar what's been going on man the world it's it's just crazy you know the I have to say that alhamdulillah the tyrants the oppressors you know the they are crumbling you know Israel is

crumbling the US is struggling you know the hegemony the the hegemony of hypocrisy it's it's shattering at size Mak an earthquake

proportions allahar it's crazy just what's going on around the world I tell you in all of this what has happened is a new world however that may be has has transpired and emerged we've got and I can see how many things that have happened have been the setup for what is

taking place now including this Russia Ukraine war which you know I I remember when Russia invaded Ukraine and you know we thought because war is always terrible isn't it and I remember I was doing a live stream meaning with M and somebody said oh Russia's invaded and we thought wellam you know Allah you know it's CU War there truth be

told there are no true Victors in war everybody loses to some extent and but even that paved the way you know there was this huge Cry of um Russia is facing a you know a miserable um defeat it's losing men it's losing um just you know arms it's losing it's losing oh it's losing the battle everything and and maybe some parts of

that or maybe even much of that in the beginning may have been true there was these International embargos international restrictions um you know sanctions all of these things were placed on Russia now what's fascinating is you see that most like I mean much of that was true Russia began this see what people don't realize is Imagine treat the whole you know if you treat the world like an

organism things like War are like muscle you know it's a good symbolic uh symbolism or a metaphor and unless you exercise it it it's it's not in good shape so no Army unless it's involved in war is actually up to scratch because they're just not you know they're not trained they're not ready maybe you know the last major Russian war was in the 80s against the Afghans leading into the

90s and and the collapse of the USSR now however a country like Russia is just almost like an endless supply of War Industry you know just of and this is from World War II as well it's nothing new it's the same tactics against Hitler and the whole thing but they've just got so much of uh an industry to to manufacture Goods so in the past couple of years this seems to have been like a war of

you know bleeding the West dry through a Thousand Cuts you know and what Russia has done is in the last two three years the third year now it is a different machine now it is not the same animal that began three years ago they've now been training they've become well accustomed to um the the terrain they've improved they've learned from their mistakes they've got ridiculous Manpower I mean something like they are recruiting

something near 1,500 people daily I mean that's just you couldn't I mean their standing current Army is around 6 to 700,000 that is participating in this war and you know and they may have many held back in strategic positions you're talking within no time a million men a million I mean that that is just absurd in military numbers you know for Europe has realized that

they've got very little war experience very little funds to support this war Russia's economy did not collapse despite the sanctions in fact if FL pished and do you know what it did it gave the Boost to the dollarization phenomenon so now you know because the dollarization although it had been suggested before I mean make no mistake this is why Sadam you know the Gulf War and all of that happened you know this threat to switch from the the dollars to

the Euros why Gaddafi was killed I mean make no mistake about it was because of the threat to deize but what happens is with an with an with a beast like Russia taking that on because they've got no choice well the you you know the Europeans and the Americans who control the international economy have sanctioned them and there's such a huge uh I mean they're they're a a a competitive um you know a customer on the global market market so so it's boosted the dollarization the

bricks have taken that opportunity which there was already talk about this but this really begins after the Russia Ukraine war China Russia then you know now bricks 71 countries have stepped into deiz 71 I believe that's crazy you know that means that and more countries have started to instead of having um you know dollars in their as part of their reserves have moved to Gold so you've got all of this going

on and amidst this Israel starts its brutality you know this attitude of this complex this God complex that they've got and you know it's funny because it's it's like a bully you see the worst thing a bully can actually

do is is to fully strike and go out against their victims because bullies often are just cowards see most bullies are just always cowards but their biggest strength is the fear that the opponent or the adversary or the victim has about them so Israel has had this Larger than Life Fear Factor looming over it because of you know because it's a European colony

because America is um fully supporting it with all its you know Maritime and uh warships in the region and all of this always ready and its different you know military bases in Jordan and saudy and all of this so people are oh my God we're afraid we're afraid we're afraid but then what Israel does in its arrogance is it goes full out on genocide mode now one it exposes its tyranny to the world and the world has now you know woken up to this but secondly it

forced people to then rise now what Iran did changed the entire Dynamics I mean has anybody else noticed that Iran within weeks has gone from this you know this kind of Walter weight middleweight to the heavyweight division it's become a heavyweight player of the world now have you has anybody noticed in the last few weeks Iran going around to different countries now Iran did a visit to Pakistan it's already in negotiations with something with India now it's today received a delegation from North Korea

it was yesterday they had an intelligence meeting with Russia and China it is now a world Supreme heavyweight player and that too because it was forced with sanctions so it's fascinating you know this verse of the Quran in Surah bakar you know it may be that you detest something but it is good for you you

know um that it is it may not feel good to you but it is good for you perhaps you love something want something but it's it's harmful to you and harmful for you

and now had these countries not forced strong armed you know this Western hermany had it not it's American hermany really had it not strong armed these countries into that position where Iran is now supplying some of the Iran's drone Warfare is now wanted by most countries I mean Russia is deploying it the you know they different version of the kamakazi Shahid drones are so powerful some reaching you know that they are so uh

capable that it's like wow I mean they've got very cheaper ones as well and they only cost so many thousands to make unlike the missiles that have to take them down that cost like a million that's crazy the world has just changed like overnight and I tell you I was um you know the the latest I tell you one of the surprising the surprise player in all of this is Yemen nobody wow Yemen just rose out of nowhere they like it's like oh Yemen is

here Yemen you know you've had all the small uh you you've had a um an agreement I think uh just in the last one two months by the states led by the states with Western powers and they try to reach out to other countries to back a um you know this kind of uh the Red Sea offensive against against Yemen you know the whole Maritime attacking any Israeli ships and Western ships so I think they wanted something like uh I think was it like 70 countries to sign up but I think they got something like

40 this is what they I think had on paper so all these big heavyweights Britain which you know a 100 years ago was the most powerful navy in the world um America with its crazy you know and you had France Belgium uh you had several Germany you had Danish ships you had all of these countries put their ships there you know their small to to large powerful ships and now most of Europe has evacuated their ships I they've just announced in these recent days they've France and

these other countries announced out of for ship safety concerns these are warships for warship safety concerns they've had to evacuate them Yemen has stopped 98 as of yesterday 98 ships that's crazy and they've announced yesterday that we are expanding our operations into from the Red Sea to the Arabian Sea and into the Indian Ocean so and it's like they can't take on Yemen and do you know why they can't take on Yemen this is this is so

mindblowing because they subjected Yemen to years you know this almost five plus years of you know this Non-Stop buge and just this catastrophe of war that they Unleashed on them the Americans via Saudi Arabia and all of these things they were attacking Yen for you know for years unleashing rockets at them so so what if they done they've created a people that are now not scared of rockets and missiles and you know so you

know this you know what they did is inadvertently created this Beast of a contender that is now you know America said oh we're just going to go to the Red Sea we've got our crazy you know warships we're just going to bomb them shoot you know missiles at them if we have to and so on go for it I they've been taking rockets for years so they tried that a couple of times each time they fire you know one of their missiles

it cost like a million dollars so there isn't an endless supply of these things they're finite so it's crazy so the world is just really it is just entering a new era where this this ghost of hegemony and power that the West were hurling around and you know wielding it was just a shadow and it's like wow okay andb and you know that is the lesson of

the Quran if you if you you kind of if if you Revel and rejoice in this arrogance that you have Allah will crush you and you know that you may think you're big and mighty but you are nothing you're nothing you know not even a speck on this rock that floats in air around a larger rock that is on fire

that that's that's our reality we are nothing and you know we Allah says you know this that insan starts giving parallels onto God that you know AA you know you might be God but I'm something as well allahar so it is just I have to say it's you know war is never a good thing but it is

incredibly amusing and just just just entertaining to see the arrogance and the sheer true meaning of kufur being just decimated so wow you know [Music] and I must say you know you watch this I mean France had made an announcement this Russian thing this is crazy because Ukraine totally cannot survive you know this now a bid to release billions and billions of more

dollars in aid but and what you know Russia just just uh recently struck down a base in uh in Ukraine that most likely hosted F-16 Jets so it's like Russia is just toying with them and France tried to make this threat where we're going to send soldiers and it's like well how many soldiers will you send what a battalion of what what would you send 5,000 I mean what is I mean you're contending with almost a million people

the 5,000 will be dead within a weak and remember they don't have true military capacity even America you know there is this myth that has some training because it's been to Afghanistan and Iraq well when did Afghanistan stop just think about it you know and when was the the time that they truly went I mean Iraq one could say that they was a fullon offensive it's almost been what we're looking at the better part of almost 20 years you know almost two decades you're looking at that they

don't even if you said it's been you know one decade of true kind of fighting soldiers move on quite rapidly through the regiments I mean you would be looking at people who have no military um or very little put it like that expertise on the ground and what this has done is it's woken many poorer countries who are and many of whom Muslim to realize that oh this this threat that we were so afraid of it's just a

ghost you know it's like because like if you think of it now Israel tried to retaliate against Iran that was such a joke they they Tred to retaliate and you see now Israel had tried to flex with its f-35s right Jets but what did Iran announced they said oh well we've got you know we've got the equipment to take down f-35s so they just announced it you know we've got this that surface

to air um defense systems that they'd acquired through their most recent deals with Russia that can take down f35s so think about it F35 is the top thing that Israel's gone so now when Iran made that threat the counter Threat by saying look you know send them because we've got a to surface air defense systems that can take him down

now so Israel didn't send them because like now imagine you send it and they take it down [Laughter] it's like what do you do then it's like the only card you've got to play so you you try that and and they take that down you're GNA be totally it's gonna

be so they just did some futile drone attacks and now they're under non-stop B and Under Siege by hisbah they can't handle hisbah they're having to ask France will you intervene and broker a deal and France tried and hisbah told [Music] him to to resort to where the sun don't shine now they now they're stuck where do we go you know we've started this thing the world you know we've been exposed we've become feeble Iran has for

the first time a country has struck Israeli swll and that to Struck it with such strategy that they gave them 72 hours to prepare so the most fortified air defended uh territory on earth right then with added surveillance and protection from the US Patriot system by the UK uh warships by France by Jordan so they got all of these together gave them you know a few days to say look we're going to attack we're going to attack okay ready ready

ready so then they then they unleash and that to such cheap drones that it costs them only thousands to make it and to take down these drones it costs Millions so they use up their ships by firing hundreds of these useless you know not useless but these just Petty just porns you know in a chest piece and they you having to use their top state-ofthe-art system and then they just use their mid-range technology and strike an air base they go huhuh yeah naughty

naughty because they just told them that put Baza this is with three days four days warning and whilst you're being defended by the leading you know powers hemony of the world and we still we still get in man what is this so imagine if it was and we used our top

technology so this now it's like wow so it is interesting just watching all of this in real time obviously the tragedy in all of this is the price that that Muslim blood that Palestinian blood and the people of Gaza primarily are having to sacrifice and pay and although even One Life To Be sacrificed you know it's truly just too much that the Quran says to kill one

person is as though you've killed all of humanity but they began you see it's the tyrants it's these zims these oppressors these you know Global terrorists these genocidal butchers they began so allahar you know this so it can't go in vain now and we will see that the world is now is waking up to all of this so there is a

global a kind of a conscious Renaissance to the Tyranny so may Allah Grant I mean the people of Gaza freedom and stay Ood I mean because it is now you know there was a uh a vote in the United Nations security Council for Statehood for Palestine which obviously America vetoed but you know K up until when so yeah these were some thoughts I wanted to just share um

right yeah somebody said look in the Torah and that is the irony that Allah says in the Quran that in the Torah that we wrote for them for bani is like primarily and To Us by extension as Muslims that to kill one person is as though you've killed the whole of mankind and they you know with impunity you know do that but hey you know that it is coming it is coming

that you know Allah sees all and they are already beginning to taste the consequences their economy I was reading today that it is struggling their economy is is collapsing the they used to rely on tourism naturally that's gone down I mean that's going to go some people are still going there pilgrims but it's drastically drastically gone down I think it's gone something like it's been reduced from to something like uh I think 20 odd per or something like that but it's gone down

massively then Global Investors have withdrawn because they're thinking well this is a you know what the hell is is is this country about and so um they're just struggling you know they're just relying on you us Aid and one thing Israel isn't showing is the Israelis that are against Israel you know they're keeping a tight lid on that they are battling a public Rebellion the public have gone so many of Israeli citizens

have gone mental now with there was an attempt to assassinate key Israeli figures by Israelis who themselves who are coming forward and trying to kill their own Israeli government because they're thinking these people have taken us to destruction you know because yeah but this is it they will now taste their own consequences so Allah grants strength and victory am mean to the people of Palestine and to Muslims worldwide and

any who are struggling worldwide against tyranny and may Allah you know the the time has now come and gone for this hegemony of hypocrisy and may the new order whatever it be that arises have you know have in it am mean right so yeah it is true that a lot of um uh that a lot of Israelis

are um brought up as islamophobes yeah 100% And they are right and they are arresting students in universities exactly in in the US you've got that going on um right and it's just crazy yeah telive is hiring well those dogs can go to hell they are going to be tasting the

consequences of the of the adab the punishment I mean that do you think put lmics by the us again signo Tech like uh EVS have to do with China's recognition of the Palestinian state it could be but you know now with vehicles obviously Hydro power is it's it's now the new thing it's putting a lot of EVS out of um you know the kind of demand I think one of the surveys showed that it dropped from it now I think was it at

something but it dropped from something 80 something to I think 40 something % the it's the the electric vehicles are not I mean they're still in demand but not the way they were and China's just reveal revealed a new uh diesel engine that it's like new state-ofthe-art with uh this meant to be very kind of as like I don't know mind-bogglingly eco-friendly but it was it was just this week they they released something like a

concept of it but um yeah is adopt yeah yeah I mean so it's crazy that you know the right to protest you see what the West is built on is the right to you know freedom of speech all of these freedoms these were just false flags and false hypocrisy these were just hypocrisies double standards that they always used oh it's maybe you

know maybe for some point that they some of them believed in it but now we know it's all fake and false because Tik tok's Chinese so it's like crazy m m h let me share the link and get some of you to um yeah to to jump on right let me just one

moment America I think its days have I mean it doesn't mean it's going to fully collapse suddenly but it's hermany has kind of is long over and I think that's and I think a lot of the Western countries can see that I mean the fact that North Korea announced that it sent top delegations to Iran yesterday I mean they never make announcements they're doing this at a global level the fact that yesterday uh

Russia hosted in its uh intelligence International intelligence meeting China and Iran at a global level it's crazy isn't it like you it's it's like oh okay ah the world is the world is changing and even Ally kind of States you know you got to remember things like even South Korea is part of the dollarization they've stopped trading in the dollar and all of this America is trying to keep it Hush Hush but

yeah it's interesting umy you are always number one all right so I'll share the link and Sh shukan Allah bless you mhm

there you go people oh we've got uh th Moda let [Music] meum salum Salam do you hear me I do loud and clear mashallah where are you joining us from Theo uh I am from Sagal

allahar blessed lands blessed lands very blessed lands they are they are mashallah so all right you know uh talk to us share some thoughts and uh some words with us I have uh you know I have I have many but uh I just I just want to know your thought about uh abdad Al jazer Al jaaz yeah because I know that you are in the at at the path of uh Ian Arabi

and I just I just I just saw a video of uh I don't I don't know if you know if you know this YouTuber let's talk religion Philip Holmes yeah yeah yeah yeah I do I watch his things amazing videos actually yeah yeah yeah I I I kind of I you know besides you he he it kind s girl see there you go bless people Muslims thank you than you thank you so for me um I I I wanted to you know say if you can because I am I'm I'm

kind the for uh you know in the at that path of of uh Sufi Sufi paff we got we got in in in at Sagal very very very very great share here and uh I did I'm I'm not clicking at the the sh over here but when I see when when I see the the video about abdad Al jaziri his character the the the the the way that you know his enemies is are talking about him and the fact and the

and the story with with is of how he save Christians yeah yeah it kind of moved me so I want to I I mean and what were there certain particular areas because Abdul Kad Al Jai what is known about him is his obviously his his resistance to you know his uh participatory Jihad in uh being the resistance for the people in standing up you know being prepared to sacrifice his life being steadfast on and you know

just just the whole Colonial kind of um zulm tyranny that was taking place so generally I mean uh my my understanding is people um all are you know they my that there's you know great admiration for Abdul ja and his struggle and his kind of steadfastness and courage and bravery but uh is there a a particular story that you were coming across that you that you you know maybe you can share it as well with us no it is um you know for me I am uh it is it is maybe

the fact that uh you know the annulation of ego because you know uh I kind of discovered you at uh 2022 when I when I was uh and you know when and right now the ego before and right now about you is it's not same call so I was like why why why why did mu why did muy like you leave theing leave the I've been through a quite a bit of my own Journey were you go were you going

through a journey yourself or something go I yeah yeah yeah yeah I was uh I was kind of there was a journey and it started at 2022 Ramadan 202 so and and yeah that time I was like okay let me just pick up my Quran because uh you know it was just uh I'm not saying it was blind following but it was just you know uh I got shares the sharff tell me okay just do this or just do that I'm I'm I'm like yeah I will just do what the Sher says and I and for

that I uh I pick up my Quran and I say okay let me just read the Quran and read some interpretation and I read and and I and I read some interpretation of uh I know know that I now know that it is there are uh Sunni sources and they were and it was kind of funny because there were a site I didn't know exactly what what what was the source of that site but it was a Sher sources sh sources okay yeah I it was it was a a source of there

were a lot of interpretation ofam IM jaff Assad and IM Bak also too so I was uh I was I was reading I was collecting and I kind of I was kind of leaning towards you know I don't know the salafi you know the the the internet Muslim you know sure internet Muslim so I was leaning up towards it and uh and naturally I kind of eat a rod

block and the RO block it was about uh uh music because I I I like I like really I really liked music and uh when I was uh when I was doing my research they was telling me okay music is Haram like and I was doing some research about this and I kind of stumbled across your video your videos and it can help me G having having a closure about it right now I'm I'm so so the fact that you know I kind

of I was kind of attached to you know the maybe people will say okay it is the old Muti I was kind of ATT to like he was he was clarifying many things with your f it was about reason something like that and uh yeah uh I was so when I when I see right now that you are in at that path I was thinking about whoa why why Muti is is in that path you know why and you you you talking about your your uh your experience I say oh it's too bad why doing why why

why why is the PA of why going that like of of of no ego like but because I was think I was so I was I was watching the word and like everything in the world is doing by ego like people are going forward they I want something I will use my ego to to to to get it like if I want to if I want some change other words that was that's that's the way that I was talking that I was thinking and I was like so at the path that musty is is uh you know is uh is

going I'm I'm not fan of that path and when I was I was saying okay maybe this path of Sufi Mystics I'm not I'm not out of I'm not of this so when I see the video about abdd ja like it kind of hit me kind of hit me like you can be in that path because it was a very mystical person and changing yeah and change change the words and change the lives and leading a revolution and being truthful

and uh having uh you know some uh and you know having some influence with even your enemies we say that okay you are a great person wow and yeah I kind and that's that's that's why I say okay maybe maybe I didn't didn't really understand that the path of you know non non ego I am uh so that's so is there is there something that comes to your mind about ABD about um you know the F and the the

death of the ego kind of ego death was there if if so do share it with us if there's something uh because he is known to be somebody who uh was also a very you know he was a profound mystical very spiritual uh figure and he revered you know the great people of the past Ari and and other people uh yeah so is is there something that comes to your mind about that he said about uh ego death or because I'm not familiar in entirely with some with things he may have said

um uh you know I will I just uh saw a a video about him sure you know so so you know uh I'm not I'm not I'm not too famin about uh you know sure sure no it's it's more his character way saw that yeah yeah I mean his character yeah the know that um you know it's crazy because all we all we truly have in this D is really it all begins with the with

the ey isn't it the I like I have I am I see I like I you know this I I I I I this this it's it's ironic because this is the birth of our identity it starts with that you know and there's something there's something in Psychology they speak of the mirror stage and they say that you know in the mirror stage they say that an infant um this is especially in in some psychoanalysis leanian especially they

say that look when a infant reaches something like maybe half to one and a half years in between the infant for the first time recognizes in the mirror that that is me yeah so this you see this I and me right this kind of subject object kind of fusion takes place and what what it does is it so so they've tested so for example monkeys and other things chimpanzees and other some animals can

tell like I know elephants can but many like when they tested uh this is going you know from the beginning of the 20th century they've realized that infants like let's say you had infant chimpanzees and other primates they can't tell like when they see the mirror and they see the other the reflection they they don't get interested in it they just kind of look at it and just ignore but the baby first is like that as well like he doesn't but there comes a point and the point can anywhere up until about one and a half years something like that yeah where the baby

human baby suddenly realizes that is me this realization becomes the birth of this ego this identity starts to be created yeah and what's fascinating is in many ways this what is being created is like I mean it's it's real as far as we're concerned but it's it's an illusion like it gets created at that point we start to it is almost you see

it is a poor mirroring if you like but you that what you're doing is It's Beginning what this nffs is doing is it's trying to mirror the the divine attribute almost of you know I am this this who you know if you look at how and these people explain how the whole story begins of everything of creation he relies on that Hadith that Allah

says I loved that I be known so the first beingness Allah says I created beingness not something but beingness and it mirrored to Allah his majesty and from this this Story begins and in some way insan and this is why you know in the Quran and this is we spoke about the Torah as well earlier today the same thing that I am that I am you know in in the Jewish Bible yeah in the [Music]

Quran the Quran when Allah speaks to Moses indeed I am that I am this this this Ill see for us yes it's real from our perspective but it is an illusion you know we and we get so lost in it everything and I'm not to say look we're not going to get lost in it but everything is but an ego you know you look today we're speaking of all this Bloodshed we're speaking of all these wars it is nothing

but that ego yeah you know there is plenty of resources to go around there's plenty of food there's plenty of money yeah there's plenty of skill we even have ironically you know we may not realize it we even have love to go around but somewhere along the line MH this this NS you know it's it's it's done something to us man we' it is and it's crazy that in the

in trying in experiencing an ego death person realizes that wow you know that this that yes okay from my perspective it is I I get it but really just Allah is yeah know really and we yes we are but you know by the grace of Allah but really Allah and our life is like an illusion almost and in this illusion we're so we're arguing we're fighting people people are killing you know risk has been written for us yet we're so you

know you know people brother turning against brother you know family against parent Against Child you know if you see I was um you know I was uh listening to this molana giving this lecture where he said that he gave this example of um in a Muslim country he was saying this woman uh who is going to court fighting for so long against her brother over you know some land issue and some they hate each other now and and she said you know there's this me she said that oh you know when I was young he's the same

brother that would you know he he would be ready to fight people for me if they if he felt they were even looking at me in in in a malicious way and and where has fate bought us that we stand against each other with such hatred we put money down to destroy the other you know we're from one mother and this ultimately we are all from ultimately from one mother and father you know our story is one you me everyone but it's the same story so I feel that you know maybe some

of my journey has been age some of it has been events that have happened some of it experiences you know just experiencing in my own way a sense of ego death and but you know it's it's it's not it's it's a it's a journey we're all on I I don't feel that you know I feel that whatever it is there's there's a long way to go but there's it's about embracing it enjoying it a long way yeah you know it will yeah so but shukran I appreciate I'm going to look out for that um abdad Al ja's video I'm

gonna watch it yeah it's very beautiful very good video it's a very good video and um I am am waiting that you maybe link linked up with fil homes like maybe you can share about him your your you know your experience and yeah of course it will be very good Mind Trap sure I would I would yeah I would love to do that in right so the shukan uh for joining us today it's been an absolute pleasure Allah keep you blessed and smiling you got an amazing smile y I love it Allah bless you and stay in touch and you know yeah drop me a message as well

if you can on Insta or somewhere and I'll keep your profile in mind take caream alaykum people that was Theo from Sagal were an amazing uh beautiful brother with you know just Radiance allahar you know some people you speak to them and it's it it does something to your beingness you know there's a a poem by Abdul Hamed Adam he says um B

that by meeting some people one encounters his true beingness bu allahar we've got quite a few people on here let's see we've got uh sad sadid let me add sad to theam alayum sad how are youum I'm well you've been on the show before I remember you here you have no or no yes yes you have yes yeah I have been I have been definitely have yeah yeah no because I remember the name

sad Allah thank you very much it means like on laser you know on point the name like sadid something so sharp on point on point yeah yeah so how have you been are you join I'm joining from Malaysia Malaysia right however I was born and brought up in Bangladesh in Bangladesh yes I remember yeah yes I've not been doing many meetings recently and so yeah this is why today I thought um this is why today I thought yeah

let's do a meeting meet some of the wonderful family across the world see you know some radiant smiling faces and feel the love man so talk to us sad what's going on and share something with us what would you like to share um I'd like to actually first of all I'm so excited to be a part of your your show because you are more than accessible than Stars I think because you hardly hold a meeting and I I see some of your videos often oh Allah bless yeah what is your

view on yeah what is your view on you know some Muslims in today's time uh they maintain a middle position you know between Quran and Sunnah Hadith so okay yeah they maintain they often maintain a midle position because um Hadi can be considered considered as historical study it's some some compilers compile hadiths and it's kind of um journalism you can say so in any journalism part of it could be true part of it could be false or so a report could be fully true

or maybe 20% of it may be spiced up be to because the chain of narration is long so some people is of the view that you maintain a middle position so what's your view on this so like I Alo maintain this position okay uh I if it is matching with Quran def defitely it's yeah but not like fully reject because you know we yeah yeah yeah no we don't you see we don't reject Hadith uh like as a statement or a principle that would be

ridiculous um but there are how do how has Muslim traditional Scholars and you know traditional Islam how has it postured and positioned itself with regards to Hadith so firstly they they you know traditional Islam is is positioned in the Hadith studies so of most if not all Hadith Scholars were usually always Sunni uh um how about when it comes to using Hadith and

what to to make law to make you know to have understandings of the faith so some AMA some schools of traditional Islam and I would argue it was the majority at one point but it kind of shifted over time uh the early traditional Islam Community like that of the school of Medina you know the the malakis the the Madina the kufa the Hani mabs uh these mabs which make up most of Sunni Islam they had a Hadith relativist

view so we accept Hadith as a as a kind of um you know as a construct we don't deny Hadith however if when it comes to applying Hadith there's a difference so one is we collect it we use it but when we're applying certain Hadith what is the criteria so they made a distinction between Hadith and Sunnah so they said that the Sunnah we Embrace wholeheartedly but not every Hadith is a Sunnah some Hadith are abrogated some Hadith are mistakenly narrated some

Hadith may have been an isolated practice that is no longer practiced some Hadith so so for example there is a sah Hadith to pray with your shoes on now most Muslims don't practice that although the Hadith is quite harsh in the sense that the Hadith says that do not be like the people of the book pray with your shoes on this is why sometimes you have had uh the phenomenon especially in some Western countries of let's say a very strict kind of copy Muslims uh you know in especially in the early days they would uh walk in like we

had here in Birmingham years ago many years ago with with the rise of the salafi dawa we had certain young very enthusiastic IC you know very passionate Muslims Allah bless their passion a mean but they would walk into the mosques and want to pray with their shoes on so when they were being told off they would say that this is a Hadith of the Prophet so and it is a sahith you know there's no nothing to say it's not a sahith but you see but it's not the Sunnah of the Prophet so there is a difference between a Hadith and a Sunnah however that's one that's one body of Muslims there was a

culture then that counted that which was so this was Hadith relativism so we overall do not deny Hadith but whether we whether we apply the individual Hadith is relative to how it's positioned with the Quran with the Sunnah with the practice the inherited living tradition of Islam with Islamic principles it can't Clash you know the it can't go against the you

know that it can't you know the three golden uh that it can't go against the voice of reason it can't clash with the living tradition of Islam which is the Quran and the and it can't clash with the principle of Islam so these were the Hadith relativist but then you had which one could say you know the Hadith dogmatists almost I mean they wouldn't want to call themselves maybe Hadith dogmatists but they they may call themselves Hadith absolutists so this was the beginning of like the Imam Sha's movement and then it

became the M project the second wave M you know the likes of uh you know the ran and people like uh you know abim you're going to have uh IM bukar Muslim all of these you know the great M the second wave of M that came throughout the 200s uh they this was their you know they really promoted this way and then in the following centuries that became very um you know it gained it won the culture War I think by the

6700s that won the culture War so what happened is the Other M that so the hanafi the Maliki even though they were not Hadith absolutists or Hadith dogmatists but many of them maybe especially the hanfi but maybe maybe not all of them but many of them including the Malik started to act as if they were Hadith absolutist even though their books weren't with that but they started to enact that so so where I would position myself is within traditional Islam Sunni Islam in the

school of IM Malik where we make a distinction between Hadith and Sunnah that when Abu YF tried to tell IM Malik a Hadith he said you know he said maybe it's a you know maybe the prophet said that somewhere I I don't know that this might be an isolated case but what we call an Arabic but he said the the way of the prophet his Sunnah is that which the children learned from their fathers who learned from the prophet in this city Medina and

he said and that's what we go by so I place myself like that as well uh I don't believe that we should ever compromise the Primacy of the Quran yeah and the Quran is always ultimate it's always uh you know primary it's always the center it is the sun around which everything in Islam revolves and so it's not like the Quran is not a planet and this Sunnah is another planet it's the Quran is the sun and the and these things orbit around the Sun so that's how it how I

would uh see that discussion unfortunately look what I would say is sometimes these discussions are misf framed you know people say oh you know this person is choosing for example reason over Hadith or this person is choosing and that's a misframing of it because look the people who are being Hadith absolutist like let's say they find a Hadith in bukari and because it's in bukari it has to be right they are coming from a love for

the prophet you know they're not coming from a they coming from a position of loving the Hadith of the Prophet that to the extent that they don't even want a single Hadith of the Prophet to go be dismissed I mean that is a deep love that they have for the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam but you see what we would argue is that in certain cases it's a misplaced love that the other people that are arguing for example saying okay this Hadith is in bukari but it goes it clashes you know

like the age of AA you know you can't marry girls that are young like that this is not so it's not that we're not saying that look we understand your love for the prophet and you don't want to Hadith but we are challenging that because of our love for the prophet that the prophet was he would never have you know said things like this this goes against you know this unfortunately would be to you know to to to try to uh you know cast a horrible shadow on the prophet sallu Alam even if you're doing it without an intention but our love for the prophet

to defend his honor is what so both people are positioned yeah go for it go for it uh in the Holy Quran if I'm not mistaken there is a verse saying that Allah is pleased with the sahabas am I right so uh yeah based on your knowledge of the Quran do you think we should also follow the actions of the SAS why because if you have noticed that some some of the S the chain of narrations do not contain messenger peace be upon him at all fori wasallam is not there and for five people involved in narrating that particular statement Prophet Muhammad s wasallam Isam is completely

absent so maybe that report is coming from sahabas until to one of the compilers for example bukari so in your view that so the narration is going who's the final person in the narration the or the sahabi sahabi is the last person no the bukari is the last person the first not starting point is yes sorry the first sah yeah so you call that in Hadith studies we call that so it is uh so they would say that so if it reaches the prophet we call that and if if it reaches just the

sahabi we call it um now the so so I mean so the question is was what sorry that do we uh accept question is is there any basis in the Holy Quran saying that to follow like follow Allah follow messenger but is there anything nearer to the effect uh indicating that follow sahabi follow the follow Allah follow messenger and saas like because the chain of narrations some of the chain of narration Prophet Muhammad sallam is completely absent so

how how should we view those Hadith should we follow this is also is it also something what I would say is I would apply the same look the sah were the prophet's companions you know they were people who lived with the messenger of Allah they traveled with him they battles with him you know they they saw the uh the highs and lows with the prophet uh I mean they were they were amazing and you know amongst the best of people nobody's denying that now that doesn't mean that they W they didn't have problems amongst themselves

sometimes I mean they were human beings nobody is is saying that they were you know prophets but so we value the sah you know they they are without a doubt however the same principle does apply that look if there is a ruling so it depends what because not every Hadith is a ruling a Hadith could be a description you know they could be describing a a region they could be describing a town they could be describing an event they could be they could be saying a wisdom you know like an act of like a a proverb they could be

teaching you proverbial wisdom they could be teach teing you just saying something about the life in the time you know the prophet's description the prophet had here that was amazing and it was like this not every narration of a sahabi is going to and not every Hadith is about rulings so when it comes to what is being said so you'd have to take the individual Hadith and then you just look if it's if it's something that you would measure up against the same criteria now look most what I'm going to say here is that you know when it comes to rulings the

Hadith really they've already like we already have books of F that have already given all the rulings nobody has to today um you know go to Sahari and try to invent the rulings of f they are already you know we've got volumes and volumes of books of f where the have already the inherited practice has been passed out you can just learn f so whatever the ruling is you already know what the ruling of different was with relation to that Hadith so I would say that look it's it's the same thing in the sense that if it helps of course you know we accept it if it's an isolated incident or something that goes

against a general practice um you know you're not mandated to leave the rulings and follow it just because it's an opinion of a companion if it went against the other opinions studies so if that makes sense so sometimes you do have some sah who may have a very uh you know like an outlying opinion on a particular thing where everybody else even other companions will disagree with them so that does happen sure so okay um right okay was there anything else otherwise we'll wrap this up sad it's been epic catching up

speaking about um Hadith and the the challenges allahar yes mu thank you for giving me the opportunity I have another question but maybe I will ask that another day only one question sure today or another okay if it's brief go on you could say if it's uh brief and then we'll try to you what was the question you know in any Cas uh what is your opinion I I stumbled onto a verse uh in uh Surah Sabah

44 okay now uh this verse says that we had never given them any scriptures to study nor did we ever send a Warner before you Prophet uh what is your view on this because before wasam Abraham came to the Arab and buil the Caba so can you open this verse and share your share some of the reflection uh what is your right so Surah yeah Surah let me see Sur verse 44 yeah let's see so I was not quite

able to understand it actually yeah okay wait there let's see um yeah so and the question was what why why was this when Ibrahim come to them yeah actually uh we had never given them any scriptures to study nor did we send the Warner before you so uh Abraham Alam supposed to build Caba there before the prophet sallam in that IIM Alam ibraim

alisam wasn't a prophet to the Arabs though like he didn't go as a messenger he did build the Kaa and Isam does stay there but ibraim alisam does most likely go back I mean he may come back but he wasn't a people like he wasn't a pro he is like considered a one of the forefathers of the Arabs but he wasn't sent as a prophet to those people he left the place right after building Thea he returned no so so whenb right yes he does return but when ibraim alisam goes there there's no people

there so when he goes to you know he he said he goes to a place that is abandoned and he's told to he builds the and it is it doesn't have any kind of it's not fertile land and and he's told and he he says that but but there's no people here what would we and Allah says call them they shall come not that they shall come now but in generations to come they shall come so uh ibraim is an umah in and of himself

nobody's denying that but it's not that ibraim Alam went around to the Arabs and and said you know come to Allah come to ibraim Alam calls his people up in which was Kanan and in those regions before that whether it was in the place of ER or uh where the Bible says he was from but uh he calls his people then he has the whole challenge with the people of nimrod and all of this and then he you know this this this whole journey that he goes on ibraim Alam he travels to Egypt and meets the Pharaohs then he comes back

builds then he goes back up north where Isam is um because he's still in in you know in the what would be the Middle East in Kanan and most likely Palestine that area so ibraim so when I think you're mixing up the uh the thinking it's not that he came to a people and said oh people believe in Allah there were no people there when he went there I I thought he came to a group of people to give the message that's I think I mixed up a bit so I'm right so but not in sure no sure

so he did call people to Allah like the Quran shows him challenging he calling his father he's calling but that's all up in the Middle East it's not it's in Kanan it's not in mecah so he's not in Makkah he doesn't really like he visits Makkah builds the Kaa but he that's not his main living place he's not living in mecah he's not from mecah yeah he's from the Middle East he's from his family I think he left his child is there is is does

Isam does stay there so now Isam then marries into the early version of Arabs the kind of you know whether you want to call them the earlier the for example um and then you get this new progeny of Arabs that starts which is then what you know what the prophet and all these are the Arabs are from so this is the the the way we understand things it's but the point is ibraim Alam that you're asking it wasn't you know so this verse the people of

Maka they didn't have a prophet before them so they they wouldn't they didn't have a prophet before no so this this verse and they definitely didn't have books they were an illiterate people most of them um they weren't you know we did not give them books or scriptures to

study they didn't have a before you a Warner which which is true now some people have argued was KH binan a prophet uh in Arabia and these other discussions and there's some Hadith and I've I've spoken about that in the past but you know isaam came to B is he didn't come to the whole world and so you have to remember prophets usually just came to their people they didn't come to the whole world apart from the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam right s I'll wrap this up Allah bless you thank you thank you so much I have to I really thank you for the answer you gave me if

it is was had abist then you would say you become ma why you asking the question but I'm here I'm free to ask the question and that's a amazing thing about coming here and ask uh thank you so much answer the last answer was very very uh logical and does make sense to me and I really studied this and even I stumbled this verse before but your answer makes made sense to me thank you so much Allah bless you people that was sadid uh from Malaysia who's uh originally from Bangladesh and very interesting discussion there right who do we have here people

who do we have we've got fadam let's bring on fadam uh guys there's some others I can't see the cameras and that are switched off if you can switch them on then I can see you and I'll get you on all right so fadam can you see me I can indeed how are you doing fad I'm good I'm good after so long after so long look at the Australian accent can I show you where we are go for it yeah with my beautiful wife everyone guess where we at we're doing a Maas run that's my beautiful wife i' I got

married recently mu in October and she's she's Aboriginal she's actually Aboriginal Australian who's um recently converted to Islam from what were you H atheist or agnostic Christian Catholic sorry sorry wow you chucking her out of Christianity calling her calling her a pagan okay hang on hang on H H take this take this earphone just say hello look at people see this is how true love is shared look at that they take this earphone take half of my hearing Allah

Allah it's a pleasure we'll cut to the chase we'll cut to the chase can we have one question each if that's okay because she's a new Muslim and um the local mullah obviously I don't agree with many of the things he says I mean he's a good log and all but because I follow you and I'm a massive fan of you obviously I won't follow everything he says you know so and I and I told her oh yeah don't don't worry about what these uncles say or you know aunties say just ignore them and just smile and say yeah okay that's is

great sure let's go for it what what are these questions okay uh my wife will start first Denise will start first go she's driving at the same time oh you're driving okay be do keep your eyes on the road is yeah yeah we are we're gonna go for a game of tennis oh wow okay it's anac day today by the way mu it's a public holiday anac day okay wow okay Muk Muk wants again okay go go ahead H was your my question I guess I asked a lot of people this in the the um Muslim and Bangladeshi commun in the Quran it says that a Muslim man can Mar marry

three a woman with three different religions right one of three a Christian Jew and a Sabian right Muslim h right okay sure yeah yeah people of the book people of the book yeah yeah people that's right um now what I've heard in the community uh what what a lot of the aunties have told me is that they won't allow their sons to marry wom non-muslim H non-muslim women even if they're Christian or they're Jewish they they weren't allow it and and they're reasoning yeah yeah I guess I've question this a lot because is saying you're practicing something

different is that not and um what their justification is Mu like the uncles and like the local mulas the Christians of the Quran like 2, 1,400 years ago are not the same Christians as today because apparently now the Christians nowadays the Catholic nowadays they're Idol worshippers or something like that do you want to maybe elaborate on that or help Denise out with this one please yeah sure of course of course so yep um right what you're saying Denise is uh it is it is found absolutely that people so there is a verse in the Quran that addresses um that Believers

that as in Muslims can marry uh women of the book and we can also uh it speaks of two things one of marriage and also of eating as in their food and especially meat what they've you know what they've hunted and other things so the Quran permits this that we can do that now okay so that's nobody's going to deny that this is in the Quran because it's clearly in the Quran it's not like an ambiguous verse however the Muslim culture how it unfolds and manifests has its own journey through you know

throughout life and time and space if you like you know that and so the Muslim culture I think in early Islam in early Islam uh this were where it comes to uh this intermarriages and even um you know in Sharing meat and eating each other's kind of food and things like this I think in early Islam it was still um it was still extant it was still found like you could find it in Muslim communities you could find it even in you know whether it's going to be in Medina in other parts of very holy cities as well

you would find it it wouldn't be your every you know other person but you would find it that there would be people that they're doing this they're being invited you may have a Jewish neighbor you may have somebody that lives there they invite you for food the prophet himself is invited for food by uh a Jewish lady and and there's many there's many incidents like this like the W from njan the Christians that come they are then given shelter in the prophet's mosque uh not shelter as in they are hosted sorry they're not they're not seeking Refuge they come as a delegation they are hosted they actually pray in the prophet's Mass the prophet even said you can pray here you know you can

hold mass and or whatever ceremony they held so but what happens is with time the culture that emerged it's it kind of um it it it kind of started to minimize and move away from that and they started to see that oh there's too many different and it and maybe it was just or spontan or maybe it was intentional uh maybe it was the fact that people are one of the reasons a lot of people are worried about is children so they get so one of the

factors is people get worried that oh look if we have children then you know this uh that you know the woman's going to want the child to be Jewish or Christian and I'm going to want the child to be Muslim and even though let's say it was a patriarchal society for the most part historically and the the father may have had an ultimate say but nobody denies that the children spend most time with the mother 100% so yes so a lot of people did have these concerns they also had the concern of divorces then what happens to the child and stuff like this so I think some of this stuff led to that kind of Divergence and

you're right it's it's resulted where the general culture now like if you went to I don't know like let's say like take a country like India now India has a you know it's Hindu but predominantly but it has a strong Muslim population it also has a relatively strong Christian population now I don't think you're ever going to really I mean generally speaking find Indian Muslims that have ever married an Indian I mean you might find a oneoff but I mean generally an Indian Christian they they will just see them as totally different communities to

themselves so this has has become the culture that has just manifested for whatever reasons and sometimes like I said people may have uh logical reasoning to what they're saying sometimes it may just be cultural that they may just think you know uh with the Shiki thing um yes I don't think you see so most Muslims generally don't um even though the sure Jesus being the Son of God is undeniably a statement of shik but we don't consider it to be like shik in in the

mush of mcah sense of you know like the polytheism shik so because remember shik can be many things like even showing off can be a form of shik like the Hadith says like you know you're showing off and you're doing things which are fake is a form of shik now but it's not the shik you know the shik of Quran that Allah says he will never forgive that shik is categoric so if we call that shik absolute or categorical shik let's say then this showing off and the Christianity shik is not that shik so

that is where people worship I you know I know they you see now this is the the thing because people say well you've got Idols of Jesus statues of Jesus and people do worship him that is true but you know this comes back to so one second m i just I'll just explain to Denise what sh means shik means worship other than Allah like idolatry idolatry idolatry idolatry yeah so so Christian Christianity is not considered idolatry even though we disagree with the having icons and statues of Jesus but we don't consider

it idolatry like of the you know the Pagan kind it's not like that like we all know that's not what they're doing so and this is it's very different and you know this and there's a whole discussion on this by the way from an II perspective where because there's this thing that some people they're worshiping like what they saw in Jesus was this uh you know this personality that they felt was so Sublime and divine that it had to be like God that so it's this kind of manifestation of God that they are then kind of worshiping it's not the same are saying in essence that

oh we've got different you know this is the the God of Thunder this is the god of you know this kind of idolatry paganism so Muslims generally do not call Christians mushin generally like they unless you see the word being used but in the categorical sense we don't call them we call them the Quran calls them now I know there have been one or two narrations from I think was it or some one of the companions did say that about Christians oh that how can you marry them when Allah says you can't marry mush you know the verse of the Quran that to marry a um a servant is

better than to marry a mushrik so the so there's a statement from one of the companions I believe who said oh but is there a mushrik bigger than somebody who says Allah has taken a son so but generally that's not the Muslim consensus so that's not how Muslims generally understand that verse or how they understand Christians so I hope that shed some you know adequate light on on that issue really does that give some understanding hopefully it does yes it does right well you're very welcome you're very welcome so she became she

became a Muslim alhamdulillah in October wasn't it Denise yeah yeah and so she's learning a lot and you know slowly say what SAS do you know h know the shahada right sh the AL is quite long so I'm trying to learn that trying to learn Al no Allah will Allah will open upon you a mean his his his de and his Mysteries a mean so inshallah just hang in there keep you know one step at a time yeah it's a journey like I was telling you I was telling her like you know it's not it's not a 100 met Sprint it's a marathon yeah exactly just exactly well said you

know it's it's a journey and and we and and it's about embracing the journey along the way as well and it's a beautiful Journey so I I must say it's really you know it's it's amazing to see I had no idea one that you'd got married and two that you married wife she barely got invited sh she barely got invited to our wedding was it was it because of the paganism and the shik oh my got kicked out a lot of people actually tell me that because I'm I'm qu because Darwin is a small place about about 100 Grand 100,000 people and I lived here since the age of seven and I'm 37 now so I basically know everyone

here and then as soon as they find out they get quite upset they're like hey man you didn't invite me to your wedding like look I didn't even have a wedding ceremony it was very small it was very very small there was like I think two what was there honey two witnesses or whatever like you know just two witnesses yeah two witnesses at the mosque and that's it yeah very simple look you know there is a Hadith that says that the the simpler a nikah is that often more Baraka and blessings are in it because you know it's and and there's nothing wrong with having a large reception and having people but sometimes it becomes all about show and you know it becomes all about the ego

and really should be about the two people involved and that's it really so you know it sounds very it sounds beautifully simple what what you guys went through so so that's you know Kudos uh to to both of you really right so okay I my question question was your question okay okay so before I go to my main question are you going to end up bringing bringing back um Sheik atabc or Dr shabir Ali for part two of Mind Trap because I think we've all been waiting eag I would love to you know inshallah so one thing is I'm starting the Mind traps now so inshallah they should be up

and running very soon and so I will be reaching out to all of the you know what it is I I would love to let's see let's let's hope we can do it I think Dr shabir Ali I'm hoping that should uh be much simpler I'm hoping unless he's very busy with she atab I think maybe I'm hoping he will be available from my side I would love it because we had such an amazing discussion last time and um I have reached out to another Channel I think you may or may have may not have heard of them I think your friend razza he's affiliated with a channel called alislam like they're like a Shia reformist Channel trying to you know

eradicate shiaism from G andat and they said they'd love to be in touch with you for mind they love it yeah and here's a few people blessing and making Dua for your marriage by the way some comments thanks guys Allah bless this is this is the this is the love Allah you know bless all of you I mean as well for for sharing your your love and duas yes of course uh rosza has been in touch with me say RZA uh you know Allah bless his journey in fact he messaged me I think was it just on Eid or something or just after I think it was just on Eid day or just before Eid and we did speak and he did because he's been on a journey you

know he's been on his own journey and and I've you know I've been on my journey especially in you know in the last two years or so I yeah uh you know especially since I've been 40 but especially it's manifested for me um differently in the last you know one two years so he did say to me look uh you know he's gone through all this you know these changes he's on this path he's learning and I did say to him that look you know what um a discussion would be awesome and he and he was absolutely uh you know in agreement and he was very happy saying that look when you're ready

uh to reach out to him and he is more than happy and and I we will make that happen inshallah I think it'll I think it's it's it's you know it's uh it would be important and helpful because he's coming from a Shia background where he's moved away from um you know I don't know if he's completely but maybe by the understanding that sunnis have of Shia a lot of sunnis have year maybe like that I think he's still politically Shia like the traditional early yeah a bit Yeah a bit like the zi

so in the sense that she uh for early Muslims was more a political orientation as opposed to theological that's what sunnis would argue uh and he seems to be like that now so but I would love to have it in his words rather than me trying to say what what what his journey is or what so inshallah let's let's make that happen and and he's somebody I get on with so well so I think it would be a you know an amazing conversation so so here's my question so here's my question um a while ago you said you're going to do a bit of an in-depth analysis on either zismo I'm not sure if you've got the time or you know the knowledge right

now that're doing any research just to tell us tell the viewers because I've actually been very intrigued by zismo ISM so maybe if you can shed some light on one of those two doesn't matter which one whichever is easier for you right so I mean the the zi movement really is it's something it's a so it's really what we would just political kind of uh a political shiism if you like it's the understanding of Imam z uh you know from the family of the Prophet who kind of breaks away from the rest of the Shia now well sorry not from the sh as in the

other imams they kind of they have this because he is very although he's for the um the cause of the AL but he holds in great veneration uh who they call the he has nothing against them you know he has love for them admiration he just you see it's it's this thing of uh the hashimites versus the uh the kind of uh you know the um and and this kind of politics that ensues they take a stance and so they are sh in the sense that

they've inherited some of the teachings of how to do F and other things yes and this some you know philosophical variations but they're not sh in the sense how we you know when we think of General Shia you're talking about the twers or you talking about the yeah the twers and who are historically the Gulu yeah so yeah and and what what you'll get is amongst look it's going to be with any group you're going to get sunnis you're going to get Shia you will get people amongst them that will just be your everyday Muslim they don't know anything uh you know they're just born in into something and you will get sometimes the you know The Fanatic in

everybody you'll get Sunni who you know people who claim to be let's say from there'll be Fanatics you'll get people who be from Shia that will be fanatic you know like Y and you know people like this who are really um you know just very can be very vile and unfortunate but you'll get in the Sunni thing you know you'll get look look Isis will claim to be Sunni you know it's not like so so the point is you're going to get radicals everywhere and you'll get people who will be you know that won't be radicals and you'll get people that will be just be they hardly know anything and so it is a

spectrum so not to kind of what I don't want to do is just brush say everybody that you know in that thing is a particular that would not be a Qui statement yeah so but yeah so that's and the iadi thing right so that's a fascinating ating one um you know I was there was a point where somebody was connecting with me he was an iadi a bit learned and I was thinking of having a Mind Trap with him but that was a little while back and I don't I'm not sure if I still have contact I'll have to seek it out but the iadis in essence were I believe it begins with a this

person Abdullah I believe it's Abdullah I and it it begins as a movement a movement so it is a very extreme movement when it begins now it's not Sunni it's not Shia these are the kind of three you know the the kind of different um wings or whatever you know you're going to get uh stemming from Islam these major uh offshoots but Sunni Islam being the mainstream Muslims then you've got the kind of Shia then you've got the now the were very extreme in the early days of

Islam some of them I mean some less than others but some became very militant a bit like this whole Isis thing they were like that you know they would if you committed a sin they considered you almost cfir you know they they were prepared to kill people if they were cfir that kind of stuff in early Islam but then it does it kind of uh diversifies amongst itself and you get different offshoots so people today my understanding is the iadis are not uh those kind of extremists like that at all that they denounce that that kind of uh attitude and and those kind of teachings this but but then today what

exactly do they adhere to um I'd have to really get a specialist to kind of comment on that because uh you know but it would be interesting to learn I will inshell I did look into it a bit at some point but it is I know that you see in some ways they do denounce that historical but then they are still Affiliated so I don't fully know how that how that works then because because the early karage were very radical but the but the theage today like the abadis from uh you know um Oman or some parts

of Libya or you know in some where they're found today in these Pockets they're not extremists or radicals like that and in fact when I was studying in madrasa we had some Omani people come and they were iadi and um so so it would be interesting to kind of join those dots and see well how do they fit in in their perspective but you're right it's not a well-known uh tradition definitely I don't feel it's wellknown among Sunni mainstream Muslims what exactly uh they you know where they fit in in their own

teachings so yeah some IIs there is that what's no no no because uh maybe a long time ago two or three years ago you did say in one of your Monday nights you might I think someone did ask you and you said you'd have to do some further research on that and you'll get back to us so my memory is very sharp when it comes to you not any not in any other things Denise complains you've got a you've got a memory of a goldfish except for you know when you listen to Mu you just seem to remember

everything that's epic but yeah um if if the viewers are if the viewers are interested about learning about ibadism there's a YouTube channel called blogging theology I'm not sure you probably already come across I've heard I've heard of blogging theology yeah they've got like a 11 minute clip on ibadism so yeah and that's pretty cool okay I'll check it out as well yeah but right guys so and Allah bless your your marriage it's been a pleasure speaking to you both take care of yourselves and wor to play some tennis okay bye bye have fun guys guys that was Fahad and his wife

Denise newly converted to Islam uh pleasure to have them both on here and it's it's been yeah quite a while I've spoken to Fahad you know Fahad sometimes I'd get like a random phone call at the middle i' be like who's calling oh it's far from Australia so I'd end up sometimes you know if I'm maybe I'm driving or something so I'll have I'll take the call and but it's been a while I haven't caught up with him so that was a a pleasure right so yeah somebody said about the iadis they still do pray s yeah that's that's

correct um right okay right do we have uh shall I take another let's take who do we have here uh uh what's this the green green Soul green Soul people alikum green Soul Salam I didn't even know I was going to get on look that's a lot a lot look at that that setup how can we not have you on Y and a name like green Soul no thank you man I appreciate that

that's is is it Kar himself is you never know you never know where where where are you joining us from um Jersey Jersey all right jersey yeah not the a of Jersey the new one okay the new New Jersey all right well all right so green jersey talk to us sure sure I I do have a question um I've been I've been a Muslim for 23 years now um so I'm a convert so

you know I I went down to you know specific path you know I tried to Ramadan and everything like that but there was a period where I was going to leave it um because I was part of like a copy group so I got into it and and tell me I got some benefits from it but there were certain things that I just wouldn't buy it I actually thought thought when you know I was at the musket and I was listening to a lecture said this seems more like Christianity for some reason this is this is nothing different you I felt because they they they had some really

strange anthropic beliefs yeah um but there was other reasons why I just didn't like it but um I went down to a Sufi path you know um and then from there I just fell in love with it I just fell in love and I started practiced Islam as well you know with the prayers and everything but now I'm to a point where I kind of just stopped and I've been listening to a lot of lectures with uh Quran only Muslims sure and a lot of things kind of make sense in in the sense that you know why

even pray these type of rituals like why even all the these things that these requirements um I kind of started questioning it I like you know is just really benefit me why can't just just kind of read the Quran and just worship God as I see F that's my question yeah that's one question and there's another question as well how do you see Islam in like 200 years is it going to change significantly from now given the fact that with all this information with all this techn ology and people actually

gravitating towards certain things but I I just see I don't know if it's going to be the same thing I don't know if people are going to pray as much as they did before so that's my two questions I guess yeah sure no absolutely yeah very profound uh you know questions there I mean firstly this you know so so before anything your your journey to Islam you know over two decades and and the things you've been through and may Allah you know continue to um you know uh open and unfold His blessings and Mysteries and

secrets uh to you am mean uh this you know it is a journey you know it is a journey man and I I understand that look there is this you see you see so you've gone from different like you've gone from something very I think you said you may have gone to like a copy kind of understanding uh and it you know it maybe came across a bit harsh or a bit uh rigid you know Rough Around the Edges anthropomorphic almost as as you mentioned and and it does do that as well that's not to say every

copie will be like that or every but but I can understand what what you're saying and then you've found yourself kind of drifting and you you went to a Sufi uh path let's say and and you found that let's say amazing enchanting but then after a while you know that it became banal and you know it lacked its kind of Charisma and and then you're thinking well you know what about this Quran only you know and and the Quran only is saying or this particular version of let's say Quran only is saying um you know why even pray or why you know it's

it's as long as you're connected to Allah then you're kind of connected you see what I would say is all of this it is still just the ego like all of this that there is like right from the very get girl that you see when you see like if what we're seeking is this kind of you know this kind of charismatic enchantment or to be you

know let's say I I'm seeking a bliss or I'm seeking this kind of Nirvana state of mind and I'm seeking something and that's not to say you won't find it you you you know you may find and like you said look you found uh a sufc path and you felt well oh this this is it now you know um it's almost not not to F it's not a one to one ratio at all and I don't mean it in that way but almost you know you have this Hadith uh sorry the verses of the Quran when ibraim alisam is saying to them that oh you know oh look at the sun you know

this this is so this and this must be M and then but when it sets says oh you know but I thought God doesn't set oh what about the moon you know this this must be my Lord and and then the moon kind of you know wayes and oh well oh what about this bright star and people said whether that was Venus or the morning star or whichever one and then you know that the the Stars kind of disappear too and so the whole this whole thing you see the the very the very per objective and purpose behind

this search it is ironically to find the object it will be to turn in like I know throughout our lives we continue to seek out and I get that but it actually will be within by going within and going that there will be a point of submission that you and that's not to say that people can't find there's anything wrong with bliss or seeking Bliss or and we all do that but it's not primarily about that it's not primarily

about you know being in a um you know we're still like if what we're doing is trying to find that then we've missed you know then like the saying that the trees were hidden by the woods you know it they remained hidden by the woods and you know and it's it's like the statement that which is actually France kafkas that and in the end that which I wish to say remained unsaid you know it was like it's it's like we never truly arrived so this journey is it is it is one where

we it is a bond between you and God now in that there will and it's not to say look this look most Muslims may not you know if you went around the world like let's say two billion Muslims most of them don't pray like they don't pray five times a day definitely I mean that's like the overwhelming majority of Muslims don't um I mean they may pray some more than others and you know they may pray Juma and they may but most Muslims don't pray five times a day that's you see it's not to say it's not to kind of pick nitpick or pick on

people it's to highlight that this is a journey and you're right it is about a devotion and and and at the heart of the devotion is the sacred but other things are there for like let's say you take prayer as an example now and that's not to say people won't slack in prayer or they won't you know be but just take it as a you know I I think it was a couple of years ago I somebody asked me this question and I said well let's take prayer it is a

ritual but a ritual if you just psychologize what's going on just for a moment you step back and psychologize what is happening that a ritual that that this ritual is a set of structures like we're standing with you know we're doing we're doing we're doing we're doing we're doing it's a set of structures you wake up in the morning and you you you you wash okay now you this water making contact in a very ritualis IC way you stand you become a you know

these set of structures you manifest them you are the structures like you going into Ru you standing you are a manifestation of structure with a tradition that is dating back almost one and a half thousand years this very tradition let alone the fact that the Salah May predate Islam but at least for us an unbroken chain of tradition that you stand let's say you wake up now for a few minutes you stand collecting yourself just

being manifesting as a set of structures you become a manifestation of that you are pointed to gratitude but to seeking as well that you as you go into suud Ya Allah grant me Health Ya Allah do this a submission but a

bond you collect that and gather it and within these few minutes you know that culminates it finishes for you beginning for you a day which has begun with a set of structure Psych logically imposing like it's projecting structure onto the day that's to come and imagine you do that a number of times during the day you know it's not surprising people said oh a person who prays he increases in Risk because the fact that you become a

manifestation of structure you project structure onto your day thereby becoming more productive thereby increasing your likelihood of risk and Enterprise and entrepreneurial thought and business because you are becoming that so there is so much that is there now that's not to say that everybody that's doing that is optimizing that or receiving full benefits like that some people may just stand up oh you know can't be bothered I'm just praying Allah abbar Allah sure

but the potential is there you know it's you know people you might have healthy food at home but choose not to eat it sure you know people do that but this is the potential we are in an age where people are inventing rituals to start off their mour with gratitude you know you go on YouTube it's full of these they're trying to invent because they don't have this is you have a a sacred set of structures embedded with rituals of submission and seeking out and bonding and gratitude with an you know that an

unbroken chain of tradition it is honestly if people had this you know they would dance to the Moon with it if they understood it and it doesn't mean that look we all get lazy sometimes and people might miss prayers and it might it's not about guilt like I'm to to me that that's the wrong way but it's about if done should be done from gratitude and not guilt but from gratitude but it's not you know don't get me wrong I understand you know this what you're saying I

experienced this path where faith became was becoming increasingly ever so dry for me I experienced this you know I went down this path where I understood you know with I loved I mean I I loved the the kind of academic side of Islam you know the the all this kind of discussions the discursive reality of Islam that you know all the books I loved that I mean I still do love it but I loved it to such an

extent but I there was a point where where it leads you to this kind of thinking and I and I exp and I say that I don't and I don't mean this in a way look we're all on our own Journey but I did experience that and I lived that and I realized that there was a point there is a very there is a difference an entire different reality to tasting and to this kind of you know it it brings it back to this kind of like Evergreen journey of life so my to to Circle back what I would say in

zero in is that it is a journey and I understand that look it's gone you know and it's taking you through different seasons you know and but what I would my my my point would be that there are gems and what the actual thing that is there is the sacredness the bond it is not in this you know in this academization this there's nothing I I love the intellect but the intellect side in and of itself will never truly convey you know we have this

term the people of taste that was referred to the Believers you know the especially those who who took that deeper part that they were called that seeing the glory of God seeing God manifest in things that you know in his Divine expression as in uh uh you know his the mercy his everything his creation there's a diff there's just a whole different reality so yeah like I I get what you're saying about this theoretical Pursuit and the theories and the the only thing is that

it it just becomes very dry and it's not you know this journey is always our journey to God it is not God's even God is saying in the Hadith that you know when my person takes one step to me I run to him so I don't mean to say Allah does not come to us he does but you know in that Hadith but what I'm trying to say is this whole thing begins with submission and you know one thing I learned um in especially in these last um you know one two years and

especially with my mom illness that I learned that you know that there is the ultimate is submission and and I understood that Islam it began with that you know it began as Islam like submission but I guess along the way we don't you know we're on our own Journeys you know there's the ego this stuff we we don't truly submit but but in it but but the IR is when you do it that the world unlocks it that there is you know it's

if you know if a person designs a game and they hide cheats in it they hide it in plain sight Sometimes the best place to hide things is where in plain sight where people wouldn't expect them you know it's ironic almost that it would be there and it's like that that in that submission and humility unlocks the kind of rales and vast greatness of Allah's Glory it's it's so yeah I don't know if that's um I hope that makes some sense and so well it

definitely puts in things in perspective you know I I think you have to and and I feel that um I need to start reading the Quran more because when I was praying I wasn't really tackling it the way I should be but I just feel like I'm more of an urged to read and to really understand the Quran no absolutely that's beautiful and definitely do that and and I feel sometimes you know the best way that if you can start to cultivate one thing just to work on even if it's for a minute a day two minutes a

day that's all you're just starting it it's it's gratitude that if you can just begin just take that begin in your day even you know if you going to sit for 2 minutes let's say you did Salah and you know now this is such we have this in our tradition now this is such a big thing you know you go all these self-help help people this is what they're going to say now but we've had this to the extent that Allah manifest that's one of his name the Grateful you think we're supposed to be grateful and Allah is saying you know if you're grateful I'm grateful I'm grateful before you grateful but you

just don't realize it so the even you know if we just take one thing even two things you know just think wow you know allahar like I wow you know like I'm taking and we're taking countless things for granted but even if we just zero in on one thing two things you think wow you know actually this transformation because it will start to lead to things you'll see like it'll lead to an act of kindness it'll lead to it will it's a root it will just start you know it's a seed that will just take root and grow so I think and what it does is it

cultivates the the devotional side this the kind of tasting side of the faith the the uh the sacredness it the devotion that's what it does it cultivates that so yeah inshallah do stay uh stay in touch and drop me a message as well if you're on Instagram or something and I'm going to uh look out for your profile and we'll stay connected obviously look this is a journey don't be at the same time I don't want people to you you know we it's not about don't be hard on yourself or tough on yourself but we a lot of people tell me that a lot of people tell me that you're not the only one that

said that yeah but don't sorry you know it's sometimes also there are stages of life we're going through I don't know how old are you if you don't mind me asking I'm 48 48 wow look at that looking looking epically young for 48 I like it I like it so you see the 40s are an age where it's like the landscape's now changed and this is where you know where psychologists like KL Young have said that there's something about the latter

half of a man's life that he said that there is a need for the numina you know this a this there is a need for something the mysterious the that helps a man navigate through the latter half of his life there is something unquestionably and sometimes you know even this um almost this kind of like being um disenchanted or or dare I say even like fed up or being you know this this kind of an uh an emotion it may just be symptomatic of a deeper s searching and

a yearning that it may be you know like the way a fever is symptomatic of something going on deeper so so sometimes this kind of an angst an existential angst or uh this I'm definitely familiar with that yeah it's symptomatic of a like now the time the ripening you know the the the kind of existential puberty has happened or is happening and a person needs now that next stage of life where there is a um like a more

profound um numinous this all striking connection but yeah I you know I I I wish you the best with this journey as we're all we're all on it you know it's all um yeah but it's been a pleasure speaking to you one one last qu the last question I had like you think you know you know it's fascinating because I I it's it's it's a strange one because I don't I just don't know you know it's

like I said to people that you look at you know you look at Islam in the 20th century in the west you take the West as an example and you just do a you know like a brief snapshot case study of Islam and it's fascinating that Islam looked radically different you know from what it is today and it it begins with you know there there's some Mystics and sufis that come over to the West in the late 1800s you have in America some come over Inayat Khan a few others

yes so and you know you've got then in the uh uh mid kind of 20th Cent or early you've got people like Idris sha comes over uh once again very um very well educated aristocracy they're all kind of from these Almost Royal backgrounds they have a lot of students that are very middle class upper middle class kind of people converting to Islam uh Islam is seen through this lens of almost this uh uh is seen actually through this lens of this very suic loving spiritual ual Consciousness uh

almost a bit of a Hipp esque vibe to it as well in the you know this kind of 60s you're seeing this Idis Sha's giving all these interviews he's on the BBC he's got his foundation set up he's written books in English he speaks of psychology before other people are speaking of it in the Muslim World his you know anecdotes learning through wisdom learning through jokes and and this seems to be and you know this is the era that you now it's it's going into the hippie age you've got the psychedelics project has taken off in the US you've got people are you know more and more people are coming into this kind of hippie way of life love you know

freedoms people could say rock and roll all of this is happening and people you've got Abdul Kadir ass Sufi you know him embracing Islam late kind of 70 early mid 70s kind of thing uh very aristocracy again you know taking this hippie root Cat Stevens all these people you know from celebrities with millions of lovers and as in followers and fans to becoming Muslim to and and you know if we were then let's say in the early 70s late 60s and somebody said well where do you see Islam in 50 years time 60 years time and we would say well you

know based on this trajectory I think you know there's going to be all this kind of really this Consciousness and it's going to be all about this kind of mystical and wow and loving and it's going to be like and it's going to be definitely something very upper middle class and it's going to be something all these Aristocrats and these kind of people were all coming towards they were intrigued by Islam and it was seen as this kind of exotic almost uh wise thing and then you know geopolitics and the world you know you in the late' 70s something happens you

know the siege of the Kaa uh Je the Iranian Revolution um this the CIA investing in to stop the Russian thing in the Jihadi movement uh radicalizing Muslims all throughout the world investing millions of dollars in this madrasa kind of Jihadi uh movement to kind of fight off the Russia Afghan war this just spreads you know this kind of war on terror has these ramifications with all this pumping for 10 years of a kind of very militant uh thing it just readed and then obviously the migration of people

coming over for work in the 70s in the 80s to the West more and more Muslims coming over working classes maybe not as education isn't necessarily a strong point these views start coming over this the Petrol in Saudi Arabia they start pumping more and more of the salafi dawa worldwide you know funding it literature and before you know it Islam looks nothing like we would if you know if we if you and me were having this conversation in 1970 about what do you think we could not have been further from the reality

today that so true I never thought about that way because I I did read about Anyan he was coming in and like the hippie movement and I actually went I actually went to one of their functions but yeah it's really true because I'm sure it was looked at as a very mystical like yoga yeah yeah yeah it was like so they come in so and even though Idris sha was more conservative than in in Khan I think he was very not only very mystical but I think he was all kind of you know uh he wasn't so much about converting to Islam he was more about his movement and Islam as

this mystical you know he's like a yogi almost like a Muslim Yogi from he actually felt that the westerners couldn't convert to that type of Islam because they will never follow it yeah okay fair enough it's all about music and but then IDR sha even though he disagreed with him on those points and that he was about Islam and but it was still a very different kind of Islam you know it's still this very uh kind of enchanting Oriental kind of mystical exotic and you know as very appealing is all about this kind of like what today what people think of when they think of I mean it wasn't about yoga but when

they think of yoga and they think of these things that was almost the image that they had then of the same culture so and today it's like whoa like imagine you and me are in some kind of Frozen Time Capsule and now we wake up and we're like what the hell is whoa what happened and so so we never know you know the Lord works in mysterious ways where will the world be in 50 years let alone 100 you I feel sometimes it's you know this trajectory of time it's bewildering you know it's not as we we think it's very

linear but and in some in one way time appears linear but it's you know we just can't predict how it will be uh it may be that you know a what I would like it to be okay so I would like it to be about that we connect with this understanding of this deeper understanding of consciousness and Islam comes back to its deeper understanding of mercy and rahma and love and this this whole thing which it I feel it is its true message and it should always really be like that I would love that's what I hope it comes to that what what

actually happens Allah you know well but politics does have a way of um yeah of of affecting what's going on I guess well it's it's been a pleasure catching thank you thank you so much um you're very well and drop me a message on uh Instagram if you're on Instagram or something and we'll stay will stay connected if you if you uh are on that well I don't have Instagram but um I can make a a thing up sure or if you're on yeah yeah sure or if you're on patreon or if you go to patreon you can just I think just contact me there drop me a

message there and cool we'll stay connected but it's been a pleasure and God bless your journey take care here Salam alaykum right people the green Soul himself Allah abbar from New Jersey you know what a what a catchup it's been epic guys you know I've actually got oh my God is that the time I've overdone it yeah Allah I've landed myself in trouble right people um CLA Jones asked is he married and is he looking for a spouse uh there you go CL johnes I put your uh

right so well when he does connect I'll let him know that you did rais that con that Curiosity people take very good care of yourselves um I'm going to have to wrap this up it's been epic really catching up with you guys and I will do uh a few more of these inshallah because it's just been so long I haven't had these meetups with you guys take care till next time and have yourself a very good day wherever you are Allah bless you all oh by the way if you did want to reach out I did have the patreon thing there patreon.com slmm and you can go there there are

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