Between Authenticity & Paganism: The Black Stone and Safa & Marwa -Mufti Abu Layth

how comes a breakaway Shia sect was able to steal the black stone in the cab and take control of the harem area when Allah previously destroyed the approaching army of birds dropping pellets widen alhasan pellets on those that mutilated the the black stone akbar has asked a very interesting question that's an amazing question if Silas said musti's alleging VAR g Mary John Wright may Allah bless you I mean I mean right so this is a very interesting question

people I want you to pay attention to this surah tor field Island Tarek a for Farah Boca they also have a field do you not see how you load it with the people of the elephant which was Abraha the Abyssinian would come over now this thing why is it that that happened thee and it didn't happen with the car Amita so the car Amita were sect a sub sect within the Shia so you have the Shia and I'm within them you've got a subject of the I believe

non-existent today but the parameter of the Shia now there was a time when they attacked when they attacked Makkah a micked they stole the black stone he goes the black stone it's going off and they run away with it and they kept it for over two decades Billy is in the house are I doing it really doing it so the Haram meter kept the black stone

for over two decades and eventually some of the Muslims did manage to capture it but it was broken and smashed and and then they just brought back retrieved pieces of this black stone even today the black stone is just small pieces it's not actually a you know the actual black store so the black thing that you have is not actually the black stone if you look into it you're going to see small kind of just pieces of shiny black stone against a greater black setting the black setting is not the black stone it's only those pieces in the so and you

can google it right now that is so first of all about the kilometer stealing the black stone that is a fact that they did steal the black stone and they kept it for a few decades a quick point on what is the black stone the black stone people is nothing sacred okay we need to understand that okay I think it's important there is no true sanctity to the black stone the only thing was that the black stone happened to be in the Kaaba and the Kaaba

happened to be the place we which which is the Qibla for the Muslims which has then been made as the Qibla for Muslims and is attributed to Ibrahim Ali Salaam so what we do know is that these practices these rituals were affirmed as in acknowledged by Islam and they for kept alive and validated there is no this black stone thing most likely okay so brace yourselves people brace yourselves this is no need to get

scared by the way when I say right this is a brace brace so the black stone most likely was part of a pagan god but it most likely was associated by association part of a pagan god culture in pre-islamic times so we know that in petra the main god which some argue is hooba

or what they called they also refer to Mizzou sharra or douche era now and some have argued he's the same as bulge Amin but the point is that the main god that they had was a big black stone okay now this black stone that they had as the main God to represent the main God was then also replicated later on in the because remember Petra is probably with the all Arabs kind of centuries before because this is hundreds of years before Islam

so the or may be talking I don't know maybe 600 years before Islam at this point these are the people that really set up that that kind of formed that legacy that other Arabs then start to copy okay they are like from the Arab their arabesque they they're not from they claim their lineage to be from a one of the the children of a smile but not the one the Arabs come through so they are like they used to speak Aramaic but they used to write in a day script is today the Arabic script that's the way they kind

of get it from the Arabs got it from so Petra we know that they were like the kind of capital that other Arabs later took from now we know that in the centuries that followed Petra obviously lost its importance it was not in the time of the Prophet Petra was not an important place at all but other places were like Hera which had taken a lot from Petra and were the offspring of the Arabs that later rule Petra that the new queen and then you have the last mean but I don't want to get distracted here but the point is many places took a black stone figure as they got many of

them including part if close to Mecca had a big cube a black cube black cube which they addressed as the god lat and they would close put a cloth over Latin it was also a cube kind of object in some ways a bit similar to I suppose presumably maybe the Kaaba but probably a bit smaller now this kind of figured it and they were probably about 20 different cupboards that emerged so the Kaaba in Mecca was not the only Kaaba

okay but the cabin Makkah is by our understanding we claim that that legacy belonged to ibrahim ali salaam the other cat but they would they were just dedicated to the gods they weren't dedicate so the one in that if was dedicated to lat and these other ones were dedicated to other gods they weren't dedicated just to like allah in that sense okay whereas this the Kaaba is dedicated to Allah the one in Mecca that we have today so the black stone most likely that many of these places had a black

stone which was usually one of the gods so it's very likely that the black stone was probably a remnant of that that over time lost its importance so like what happened is maybe the Quraish incorporated into the corpus of the Kaaba the body of the Kaaba and then over time it was just seen as a wholly special stone and it lost that importance as the God just as Safa and Marwah were two gods they were you had they weren't it was south and Natalja

there were two lovers that came and apparently you know committed to God that had sex in front of the camera and they weren't meant to and therefore they were turned to stone and therefore people did the the running between them as a form of a kind of expression of their love I guess and also a remembrance that you're not meant to do certain things in front of the Kaaba but over time that meaning kind of got lost and then people just stuck with the general ritual and so what happens is that with

this is why many of the ants are from Modena when they came to Makkah they refused to do the Safa and Marwah so ought to be and all these people bring it because they said that this was a practice the Quraish invented and the arabs invented from JA here is to do with na Allah and Issa the goddesses and the God and the goddess it's nothing to do with Islam so an ibrahim ali salaam and so they refused then this was many of the Sahaba they said that we won't do the Safa Marwah thing this is not you know these from pagan practices but then there's the verse in the Quran saying

that look what that meaning has gone now and this is why when I say to people about things like Halloween and Christmas and people get off they flare up like oh my god oh my god Halloween but it's original practice hundreds of years ago was to do with witches and you say well you know but then suffer mother what most likely was to do with gods and goddesses pagan gods it wasn't like but the point is that this you see II had lost its practice and then hence this verse of the Quran that in a foul Marwat up in sha allah that now it is deemed a remembrance of allah fermented agua be a

man so who today understands them to be symbolic of ace and a worship to god fermented oh wow lease this is not from you know the term authority and this is not from torah that don't understand this to me involuntary speaker Safa Marwah is not more voluntary in neither Imran or Hajj so it's Lisa manta tawa Bhima comment enough Allah be hema la Hannah Montana Fela Bhima ya any man has a barometer attend Lila that whosoever considers them to be a worship for Allah

for in a logic Iran Ali then indeed Allah is grateful for them you know towards them for the worship because so in a similar way the black stone was a most likely was part of a pagan God practice but in the generations maybe just before the Prophet and so on and lost that importance but it was still kept as a like a holy thing they don't know why it would like obviously the pagans probably knew why it was holy but they generally was just seen revered so Muslims kept that practice that oh

you know what we'll just leave it there in the Kaaba and they and they'll use it as a point so the Prophet would do the roughly then begin you know so when you're doing the Thoth it's a point to symbolize something that's all it has nothing holy or special it's not a stone from God it may have been a meteorite most of the black stones by the way that the Arabs used to use for their gods were black because they were volcanic kind of remnants that's why so the black stone may also be a volcanic remnant or it may be a meteorite I think it's definitely one of those to the Saudis

unfortunately won't let it it won't let people conduct any tests on it it's a shame but I wish they did so we could know what it was so the fact that the car Amita took it away and broke it and what if I in all honesty it's no big deal I mean it's not a nice thing don't get me wrong I'm not saying it's a nice but it's not something like oh my god in fact say Nomar said that he said that I know that you're just a Hodja use the stone Latin family table or you know you cannot cause me any harm you cannot cause me any benefit this was the statement of saying that Omar wrote

the Elan and he said that yes but I saw the profit out of kind of like he I saw him kiss you so I'm just going to do that now remember the Prophet never taught them that the black stone was holy but out of the prophets general upbringing and the prophets general practice that since the stone just now symbolized that the house the Ka'bah symbolized Matala and this was a part of it and that that practice the profit kisti just as a ritual it was not something done as this is a holy stone

it was not a holy and it is not a holy stone is this just a stone there is nothing special about it apart from that that it's got this history associated with it Muslims today obviously crazy over they beat the hell out of each other to get to the black stone some point I guess in time was perhaps a pagan was perhaps a pagan god but it's amazing huh that

people they beat themselves and they do all this to get to it but there's no harming in these things because today what does it symbolize it symbolizes a ritual to God and we as Muslims we submit with that ritual and that's fine that's what it is that's all it is a submission it's not really you know you gotta be you know this is where these are the stories all fall apart o know that this is what it was and there was a you know when you go from the Kaaba up there's going to be the other Kaaba there's gonna be this heaven right above a there's gonna be all these Oh stories none of these things are real I

mean any the problem with all this kind of belief is when you look into the evidence it's gonna all fall apart and and then if you believe so firmly in these little folktales your mind might collapse it might it might not I mean because once you realize well actually this is just all stories so this is why I feel it's better to go with the truth

seek the truth people and the truth shall set you free Allah so I hope that answer somebody said the story about Roger Ali asylum and a smile going between the seven and seven times between what is it's often Marwa in all honesty i think that's made up it's very difficult come on like we have to be reasonable here that how what it seems is that later on when Islam spread to the other arab

kingdoms in the Middle East some of the Muslims in order to show the Arabs that we are one and two have a familial bond with them they overemphasize the link of Abraham aleihsalaam because all Arabs claimed descent from Abraham so obviously if I'm like if I'm approaching let's say I'm approaching an Indian non Muslim let's say I'm approaching an Indian Muslim now and I want to speak about a message but I want to build a good bond with them so I suppose I will I may speak in urdu or Hindi same thing I mean I'm because you automatically

you're showing some similarity you're showing that we're not that different you know we've got similar roots we've got similar so it's at that time that when the when Islam spread into what was the Hasani Kingdom the Christian Kingdom of the Arabs in in parts of sham today which would have been Damascus Jordan Lebanon or the Levant Palestine all this was pretty much under there's a sunny Kingdom and on the east side was the Lamy Kingdom here are and all these are the places now when the Arabs went there

they obviously stressed that look we are one that you guys believe in Jesus we also Arabs we our link is Abraham and the Prophet Muhammad SAW Allah Ali sallam he came with this messy and that made the message more palatable to the Arabs at the time who accepted and and I think that's when they invented the story of Raja al-islam running for safa marwah so they could add an Abrahamic link to it otherwise it makes no sense because yes it is true that Ismail Ali Salim would have been the but this thing that okay couldn't find Waterman she struggled

that sounds reasonable that she may have struggled because she couldn't find water but this thing that she ran seven times looking for water and what are we doing we're celebrating that is that what we're doing we're celebrating the struggle of and how does that link into a remembrance of God like what does that have to do with God like if she ran seven times and who said she ran seven times and where do you get like how do we know she ran seven times nobody was there so so this point of saying that all well really what we're commemorating here is

a mother's despairing spirits when she couldn't find water and thought her son was gonna die so she ran seven times and that's and God really liked that running that's making God look so evil God like that running so much that he said everybody run like that we're saying that God said he said like yeah I like this

Jonas public job this is this that's that doesn't make any sense so why would why would God do that I mean I get the fact that she would have struggled but the fact that somebody said it was precisely seven and then now God loved that so much that he said everybody run till eternity or pronounce off our Marwa doesn't make any sense I mean this most

likely clearly it seems like this part was made up it was this part was Abraham ax sized if you like so it was Abraham a sized by the the the Muslim Arabs that wanted to connect with the other Arabs and they wanted to show them why is our Makkah Cobham important because to the Christian why do we care about your maka oh because it's of Abraham and any created that link okay so that's most likely what happened cool people

right the Samson thing no I'm not saying Samsung might not have that it's my heel ELISA Lam and know slightly some some story I believe most likely is true I do believe that that small I mean I believe that's true a lot of eylem but I believe it's true but the Zemzem story doesn't have to be connected to running seven times up announcer fan Marwa it's just that you've been told that so remember that it's not like the Zemzem isn't even on Safa and Marwah so it doesn't even so this because the whole point is what they trying to say is these were two

hills yeah two hillocks and you've got a smile ELISA Nam is there crying and so Safa are so Hodja is running up this mountain looking can't see anyone now she's running down up that mountain looking can't see anyone and she's running down up this mountain looking can't see anyone and she does this seven times but by then Zam Zam begins that's the story that part the running and all this I'm not convinced with and neither were many Sahaba many Sahaba rejected it from Medina they said this was not nothing to do with Abraham this was made up by the kafar of Quraysh and why

should we follow it and even Allah when speaking in the Quran about Safa Marwah doesn't say it's because of Hodja he doesn't say oh yeah in the Safa Marwah mean Shia era Hodja in Amman you know whatever sad my being a human this an idol or didn't say that he just says yes people use this to remember God today so whosoever does this as a ritual act of worship and a large grateful that's what Allah says the rest what I'm trying to say is that story seems to be manufactured the son something most likely I believe did happen that this

this this spring and that is also mentioned in the Bible as well this about this spring close to Ishmael so these things already had a precedent and they had a history but the running thing just doesn't add up doesn't add up that's now a mandatory part of Umbra and HUD just because Roger was distressed and she was running up and down that God got so happy with the way she's running it said he said I'm gonna make everyone run like that that just sounds so sadistic that just sounds so absurd

that's just like you can imagine the Angels going so you know that's it doesn't sound that doesn't sound like that's not how rituals would be done so okay I hope that shed some light and make sense people right let's let's take a look at the verse because I've got to speak about Zyra what seem as well

somebody said hey I'm just being real anytime I'm not trying to you know because the problem is people are so sensitive as well you know people like oh and you must remember at all times allah addresses the issue of Safa Marwah in the quran and he does not make any association with abraham so there's a big question but it's very unlikely at anything to do with ibraheem alehissalaam just as alpha I'm not sure I'm still researching into the history of Arafah where our effort comes into it because I

don't think that was linked to Ibrahim Ali sanam either but anyway that's for a different day we'll unpack that on a different day as the poet says cuddle me Lovato soldier didn't get a diesel phone call tomorrow if I get time I'll untangle your hair to soldier the Yeti risen Funko our origin focus on anime that today today I'm a bit distracted in untangling time itself so tomorrow when I have time

I'll look at that amazing here and untangle it today I'm a bit busy if that's not the poet says right so let's take a look at right so there's this hadith I want to go over this hadith somebody said what if the Kaaba black stone special and his followers the prophets chose to bring back the real rituals of the Kaaba Safa and Marwah and black stone is that possible no because it's not possible because you have to remember when Ibrahim aleihsalaam goes to Makkah there's

nobody there it's nothing it's it's just a valley with you know with nothing so it's not that old already there but yes about there is this understanding that he builds a place for remembrance easier for Ibrahim alkali them in al Bayt why smile that him and his my Ismail build a house for remembrance now that we believe is the Kaaba okay now the so far Marwa isn't mentioned about him but it is mentioned in the Quran so this is my point when Allah mentions he he should Allah would have just said that because

why is al-amin ship because the Companions rejected it some of the companions from Medina said we're not going to practice of al maraa it's not from it's from pagan practices so Allah reveals verse is telling you so you don't need to guess you can just read the verses Allah say suffered Marwa today our symbols for remembering God so whosoever considers them to be an act of worship Allah is grateful there you go case closed Allah could have said oh this was from the time of Abraham he he built it and he did this and he did that but he didn't so there's no point guessing

that's my that's my point right