Myths of Might and Magic: A conversation with Sh. Akram Nadwi and Mufti Abu Layth

[Music] you the Quran very often magic and revelation they are they are put as to uploaded things revelation is pure pious make you know it makes you pious while magic dirty and it makes people dirty so they are put together to this one of the story where magic had mentioned the Quran very negatively and a lot on

either side them is like covered civilian medical mentioned the stories of Musa al-salaam where the magicians they came and found Pharaoh karmis people what Musa do is no more than a magic to another magic then you know history okay while called in my budget of our time they will come and there should be competition see who wins and the militia came and destro their sticks and the ropes and all those things and they because so many in it snakes then the Quran mentions when the magicians that they did this by the habala home where is a junior-high

jellow la mesa him and Natasa when this true that in mystics and the ropes so what happens it was it came to imagination it appeared to moosa is Rama to everybody else if they are you know running moving to when is when when rope moves look like a snakes it came in Israel not real they are that actually the worship which many Olimar take that water magic - magic does not change the reality of anything it will not happen that you take a paper and by magical make money it doesn't happen you know it

doesn't happen that by magic that you make in a house you know with magic and house remains in nothing happens what happens by magic actually see that magicians they affect the thinking of the people they move the mind of the people and example so that is very offered for in found in the real life that philosophers Firoz first kind of make an argument for something which can't change you so much until you start looking with their angles to something which is take very good but they can make an argument and in such a way the effects your mind start thinking like them like there poetry sometimes nose you see something

in in routine normal but pores will dry you know Drive certainty from the same same you know natural phenomenon which is change your mind - poetry effects that think other people philosophy efforts and and it could be any good person who either argument some people are good speak like partitions rotations actually you know peaceful life expedition will come and give a speech and actually you'll start thinking like him that he look your problem not what you think you're probably something else a new problem he'll introduce and he'll make your faces so much any billing argument in such a way you start thinking like him he will start letting her heard from someone and you believe in there to all these magic philosophers

pairs partitions all those people they play with the mind somehow to affect the mind you're thinking some becomes a different a district are so even use in in a / up in our time media you know they use a no TV that's what they do Deb into somehow they refresh the mind and start thinking in the same way and that how they you know this huge industry have in order ties in going on in you can see the TV somebody will appear you know a woman will come I believe yes take into a cream apply the cream on the face she becomes handsome so now we are convinced that you know take the same

cream you become a handsome and then the women by the same cream nothing happened to them their complaint then they say no no now he has change now we have to have a new product to be cut into we have improved it it Rodino you tell you then you take new one it's still the same thing but people keep doing that all the cycle again again because they have actually affected a minor the people so this is a really no doubt people had power and that's what I give many people power to play with the mind to affect the mind my dick is one of those things where people have certain tricks certain words some dirty things they learn from Shaytan from Jim and you they have to do some of those impure things then why the magic is Haram ricardinho tape it's a

speck of poo free because it involves high task which involves you know Haram taste though the words which are not right and he used them and somehow the mind is been affected and you start seeing things in front of you yeah ties it to the fall every day's a rope UCF Jesus Nick there's a just a paper and you they affect to your mind and you think that like money somebody walking on the land you see walking on the water or maybe is walking on the board but you think is working our Creek on underwater or maybe he's a are something walking and you think he's working over the you know it lined in a frying to many of those to

the effect your mind everything so this can happen this exactly happens to magic does not change the reality of the things wider really it makes your mind to think differently influence the mind in a certain ways and the effect either magic is always very temporary that's just that moment not more than that meaning it when you see a paper has become money it it that is only for short moment otherwise magician they could take all these papers to the shopkeepers give them I the money and use them but nobody does they never can do because that does not survive it only can be done with a very short moment to

magicians certainly they affect the mind of people they can influence people people start thinking and and usually they are more successful with the weak mind people like I mentioned that TV Idol team it you know many people they listen to those advertisement they never buy anything because they're strong mind but many people they affected too similarly magicians there are fed a weak tool very quickly strong people they are not affect so quickly doing destroy Musa al-salaam you know he could also think but Messiah and not like other people is still he very strong he could understand what's going on so it all the I mention I like philosophy philosophy arguments poetry

all those things they affect the people who are weaker people as Frank portly can a portly cannot affect them people are stronger in philosophy cannot affect them they could think they can understand words good were drunk what a good argument whatever argument the same thing magic - magic does a hide effect but they affected very weak and also very short it does not change the reality of anything it cannot make by an omen but though it can make do too see a minor human there can happen but the man will remain man by magic he does not become a woman it could happen they can make you to

look like a woman I'd she the mind but she doesn't it does not change it it just basically did a fleshly mind and they have done it was so many machines actually there was one of the greater magic happen in India there's very very famous you ask maybe you also carry fine and and the internet that happened a time of shahe that very much report in Indian books of it the people are amazed with it but there are the same thing playing so what happened the one a magician comes with his wife to the Palace of Shah Jahan the great Mughal emperor who built Taj Mahal so he wants to show the magic just time charge and everybody all the court people they around you want to see it near the palace what he did he had a

rope he just threw the rope like that and the rope kept going up and till disappeared so high then he started climbing the rope until he disappeared then after that he put start seeing Butler's coming from up his wife were down who was on the ground she said oh that is fighting between him and between a demon or David or something - fight - and she was crying then he fingers fell down and fell down let's fell down and part where the bird ate everything fell down and she was crying like anything odd and the charge he regretted why he asked him to do this magic now he died he had been killed by

he was very much regretting - anyway a guy to Hindu norm a custom they they have to burn me today when they came to burn him the wife said no our tradition is where husband died you have to burn a wife with him eyes but you I have to be but I cannot remain alive so they burnt him and the white board when they finished then after that they star see the Rope is moving and he's coming from through the rope from the sky his command he came and then he asked whether my wife people shall be buried him party with you he said no no King must have made her hidden in my palace and then she was standing on the

palace and that she came and they hugged and all those things magically it already basically he was there never went anywhere it happened people Lucan Gordo stood the car seemed he somehow feel undermined so much there they see what he wanted them to see they can't see what exactly is it for a while they only see what he wants them to see to disagree what happened you say something like like you know in many cases a bit hyper marry a famous kid will say certain problems and start looking with their angles to a reality at least something different so this always happened magic basic that what magic does my jig plays with your

imagination with your mind you think of something happening but it not real that word had emission and many many ala ma you know they have been saying same thing like a woman selamat really declared - a fire element Imam of the martyred in school he said while eternal Kahana moon Akhtar Oh Alec Adam Varma hottie was her a lot - mija what a year magic is just imagination it is based on debt in muhammad o hadouken Isola as the vagina Aram hakuna Takata ala fader habala home where I see my guru La Mina Harriman

hatas Allah o Allah o Allah and Mohammed you rock a Sahara in a McCarter Eden la happy patent what they may even have done it was just in the imagination in the muck nothing real in reality nothing changing you know this thing everybody considering you know death imagine if magicians had power to change things completely and make a change a reality into another reality then what will happen then every magician village you know they can make you know them can make diamond they can make gold Emma can

make money they chemically see if they can do this thing they basically kind of make a kingly stupid make like change him into donkey in Kentucky and they become the king you know if they can't do all those things they can change the reality of the things with Li can do but you never see a magician to become ruler master the world all the magicians involvement there are beggars you know magic is so popular in bangle bangle Cazale that people in the same band are due to all the banana peel the most rich people door No if the magic can help attempt the beggars if you go to all the magicians they big on display sitting on the street but a while you see in the Americas in Lucknow Bhangarh kaha do in

Karachi I've seen you karate you must have seen bangle kaha do and now people come to eat these people from Bangladesh they have got all this magic power while they're begging why they need to come karachi karachi care come to them why they need to come to Karachi - laughs no to beg all those things nothing they don't have any power so this you know you just go deeply think really in what and now the many women think that you know somebody ancient magic in their house now that no burqa in the house humble people every when the house keeps falling ill my son is ill now next to my husband he'll because temperature and magic magicians can't do anything like that it could be possible that every burn your house has fallen ill that

happens people even all the people can die in the house there can happen but nothing to me the magic there other reason for that you know the problem that happen in your house rather cause for that you know because but people make up our people real did I remember once I was in Bombay and I had a very mom he was a brave Imam but you know he became my friend because he needed someone my helper for something I could see really how he make how he put the people so once I was working with him reach my not bomb bomb bay he was passing by so the rich man said to the Imam that I have got some family problems three months earlier you have problem because for a long time you

never did any hutton no had no porn on your house you will have problem then he realized his mistake and I said you know Chatman this week and that week and then Imam I got money and all those that this he has can reach the people if you don't know half of the Quran you have probably the house and hot Nepal miss a money Fatima similarly I was sitting with him al already came to him and said her problem the Imam said to her that you know I'm going to write something for you but you have to pay 200 rupees and if it does not work I return money back and she appeared then she he was assured because I was there he said you know I have to do this thing to cut my salary so low if

I don't do tell me how can I survive the secret because these people for a purpose they want to be fooling and you think they're right they're not right they note there one they know they're making money because just think if they had all this power why they need to be mouths at the mosque where everybody will hear them you know why there will be marks in that most but everybody X nobody respect them if they have all this power so all this might go anywhere and that why the Quran said very clearly about the magician's you know the verse of the Quran is la you should have hello hi to utter magician wherever he comes he never succeeds

anywhere anywhere you see magician the door succeed that word brings success they're different the people there are beggars magicians don't succeed so the world I first saw Haroon magician don't succeed do not structures they never succeed imagine shut about this power they should succeed but they don't have any power it is just imagination and temporary customization last longer they can succeed if they can make a paper either money for long period they will succeed but they can't do more than ever in temporary imagine shirts are successful just think really that you know then America does not need to spend all this money to fight Isis they just

apply certain some magician and dead world you know many people you know hate Muslim Allah MA they don't need to do anything just employ some magicians and they they harm although Allah mud they become mad or some like that they can do something like that just think really how if magicians have any power that we people believe you know many of these people believe in - how many women they believe and I told very event people come to that I tell them if my issues had all this power we could not survive on the face of the earth - just don't believe in this nothing happening sometimes they said we found that our weed in our house you know somewhere it means somebody is doing magic nothing in

open tatami what is there and putting somebody that's had nothing happen that time isn't nothing there it does not have any power what is not one are disturbing even is this run on this table with them we can't do anything nothing will happen but then we don't need a battle a better offer then the Prophet overly need to have some magics you know why the prophets have to have balabhadra northern coast Makkah and assertive defeat some time we we worry about those things in the municipal discover they don't have any pursue there so Lauren - laughs there unless water kind of give them any power they're humiliated their cuts by La Scala and not never expect them how can they help you know as somebody who works harder they are successful is somebody

watching with his hind and as a ten-part 20 pounds a day he the more successful then all these medicines he got money he looks after his family he had the respect of the society Mauritius you don't get any of those days maybe the magnet to dead know successful for all these magicians and what they do it is really very dirty that why many or anima said magic is good because it involves things which are good dirty things and a belief in the Sinhala gopher and asking us to help with them sometimes they do say that the shaitaan to get some of the tricks and shaytan's tell them they do all those teeth which

are not like magic had no benefit other than heart does not benefit anybody just kidding hard to the society I am the Sharia has forbidden every type of the magic you know if something has something good surely I can allow but magic neighbor never allowed any time magic Haram in the Sharia if no padam hacer ahora vamos ahora de mujer moon la now Alamo fee - buying a high lineman learning the magic and teaching the magic both are Haram and we have never learned any dispute about this matter

Amitha Verma nobody disputes the learning the magic or teasing the magic both are Haram Amanda hobbies very mentioned in his book all the major since his Altamira to Felicia Fisher the third one is magic Leon the Sahara Buddha and Jack for the cat magician must do cover he must do covered so what how if there are magicians who make them are districts and make no influence you the wise dhikr remembrance of Allah not if you near umbrella the nation does name no magic can affect you if you really available Farah I will I will

my regime are you just turn to allah and ask his help read the quran any part of quran do the prayer no magic can effective you never can impossible magic never can affect people like anybody's pure reading the quran al trouper see any name of allah subhanaw taala any surah of the Quran these people know magic everton affected him other people can refer to but this pillar can affected so this keep in mind that magic is the neighbor never real it does not change something real in to another real it never does like that this remain as they are it only affects your mind you imagine sometimes become something else

if they change your angle you look something and there can tell harm because for Apple if you are working and you think that is stone but the most own use may be fall down you think that the money because your moment will change to certainly when imagination has affected it can harm you you could have fall down you can sleep some heart can happen to you this can happen some temporary effect can happen by the magic it is just affecting your imagination your mind for temporary purple and then because of that certain hard when hurting can happen in your body or sometimes even the family sometime could it be that you know he showed that that your you know you talked with a woman and your wife

thing or it is real it is just made up so she started in you have problem and then you are good night aunt is like that so they can create a tension in the house by this magic trick temporary but that can happen this this is possible but not more than that not for a longer period therefore short period and if people do those tasks are then even for the short period nothing can happen so this is the reality about the magic which we learn from the Quran Quran Sunnah and also from the teachings are the anima and from the Lea night we understand really from our own mind that magicians don't have all this power now the problem is that people think that the professionalism you know somebody

succeeded to do magic against the professionalism this no doubt really is the big big mistake to think of something like that really I don't understand how sometimes and somebody can think and the reason also people bring bring is the hadith sahih bukhari forum Hashanah for me Salah al-din's uber from ISIL laranja about the magic which was done against the professor Dallas unum let me tell you a few things about the hadith in about in general then about this Hadees in particular fasting is everybody agrees when a hadith goes against the Quran even

resound reject the hadith everybody knows although Allah Muhammad following in this matter the hadith comes that any woman human Marathi naka had to be our area that in Evelina Faneca hoo-ha but a new battle battle any woman who marries without valley Harnack ID invalid email Hanif acid if oh man married hard overly hard nickel valid he goes ahead the Hadees why because I said the Hadees goal against the Quran or anything hot Herrera Linares y una the Quran had made the subject of the new Quran Allah made

the women at the subjected Anika they can occur if Quran said the communica Jenna hadith cannot override the Quran to Muhammad honor follows falafels simile fodder for the Hadees comes that las a lotta lemon lambda para be fertile kitab if people born in father the proneural valid in mama honey fall out because he said the Parana one estimate Ezra to hadith cannot you know we cannot use a hobby Holly though there are many many things where people photographer or on over the hadith even that is found Fatima pious she narrates that the professional when she was divorcing the prophets Allah have said to her you have

no right for any accommodation in Africa logic honor Warren Africa in normally in the waiting period women have got right to have a accommodation and expensive but Hadees afar telemetric I see any Muslim and everywhere else that the Prophet said to her you have no right appear in Africa or any Sakana even even manipulator personification no we don't accept Hadees apothecaries goes against Iran Carranza as kahuna mini-hydro can't succumb to and the Quran also said for the one who Allah in Quran says give them accommodation or are say provide accommodation express it we'll go for the Quran and leave the hadith of Fatima same in all the mother

to render even a hadith sahih if it goes against the Quran we put take the Quran leave the Hadees there are many societies in a Bihari I will honey further not pal many say Hadees in Bihari Imam Malik will not follow not Monica managers Hadees in what I did not follow people said to Malik why is it that you mention her this in water and the students not followed he said layer Allah Manasseh and allow element Araucana who to be if I don't mention water and I don't follow the people will say I did not know the Hadees people should know I left her this knowingly I know that this is still I don't follow because I can't see the problem to all these all of mud there are sound hadees the door for everybody

distinct too fast it keep in mind if we accept the Hadees sound still we don't need to follow it and we take it Vick regard is gold I get the Quran Quran be very clear and I'll tell you how poor not so clear caranas and that's what I said wallahu yeah I say no community nos one ladder messenger kind of a dumb I said Allah will protect you from the people what is protection if unlock our network treating for against a magician if magician can affect the Professor Larson how can Allah protect him and I saying you can minimize say I protect you and we say you know he's affected by magic how is it possible and then you know you

know many more verses like the coronation Nanami be my stem you're gonna be it's just time Llorona alayka way to majora is the apple of Raleigh muna in that they are una Allah Roger de basura didn't they say the Prophet Rapinoe offended by magic original master ah una Gorra beautiful envelope or on denying rejecting that's profit no magic nothing there and Quran had the same team at moussala strong he had known nobody nobody did any magic against Al Islam same against radical Islam what other prophets cannot deny that no magic had we done against any of these prophets

and piranha also said in surah Furqan about salah salem vacarro's valley muna interview 'no ill raja lemah surah so this has come in the quran mortar one surah surah and also tutor for Pam the first thing if you accept the Hadees to be sound it still we don't accept because the Hadees goes against the Quran Quran be very clear that the professor lonna Selim can not have magic and that problem is that thinking if the prophets and I'm getting magic and happened to then Anna believe us really make this a problem they will say no this person has got a magic we can you know this thing he got her very much how

can we believe in him but it never came in the book of Syria or any Hadees that any any believer resist put out in the Prophet I could have been you know affected by magic then unbelievers who say this person how can we follow him he got a magic you know the here that magic he forgot the since - how can I believe in him but any believers never raised this question get across a lolly Selim and the third thing really all the people say if you do the graph Allah you are will do with the purity magic cannot affect to you tell me who the more pure in the world than the professor Nelson if people are pure magic cannot affected how can affect the one who is the most pure people say who

do the Kafala magic cannot affect you tell me really who could more the Crescenta person a listener who reads Quran more than him if all that occurred the per particular chasm Isaac they should have ported the professional first and then more than that actually you know basically may put in all the revelation doubt with the prophets and lesson can be affected by magic then how can you trust in him and some of the details of the Hadees bear very disturbing that the professor teachers say the professor dilation of you to think that he had relations with the wife during that time tell me this thing he forgets my dear affects him so much

that he think he had relation between their hibernation even he cannot know the turn of his wife's first in situ target so if he forgets so quickly how can he can be the message to first think firm our argument reread this hadith of course again the Quran so something like dirt you know it a no way you can tell by your many anima they direct the Hadees very clearly like just saucer Raja - mom he said zhamuhe Ananias Allah who are you seldom saw her these people claimed that the prophecy lot about you know magic wanna gossip our salah salem won a Sarah Amira feel the magic affected him

well mr. O Hara bar mineral water hygiene these reports they are invented fabricated by the by the people who are to Harlem will have you invented by them so this is the first answer we will give that Hadees goes against a clear Quran and I get the padishah the personal Islam this hadith will be rejected there are many many hadees which had been rejected by abu hanifa by malik bhai Shafi while a number because they relied it goes against the quran if they have done this what is proud to react this one exactly goes I got the faith I guess the Imam the first answer say can take

either I did is you know report historical reports in history you have many problem one probably like where people don't lie they do also mistakes for example I am Telling to you or they story about my tree arasanaadu Muhammad Allah Allah you listen you note then I told a story about someone else you miss the name you thought this also the same story do you collect connected to the professor Jerusalem this high press in Hadees a lot what happened the right in the hadith a parcel arsenal and in the middle a hadith Cup switching from the Campion just bought move not Marfa some weak

narrators death it is also from the person they added the name the parser said not intentionally but because they did not understand to have this which are more who became Murphy sometimes saying of any wali or any any any big share a typical studies and there are many examples for that in the hadith literature I tell you an example one example is there is somebody you know who is the teacher of Muharram alotta is name it no I am in Mohammed Mohammed Illinois is teacher al moosari Hamad in an oem and he's wrote a book as well and there are some hadith in Bukhari from bin hamad Illinois he

narrated a hadith from his teacher Abu Sufyan in Arahama la jolla and these are decent remedy and this had is a very muffle narrated by the and why I mean and also in the table giamatti could the commemorating Hadees in the professor not have said equal to this hadees that you are in a time if you miss a one tenth of the religion you will be mislead misguided deliver time in the future if people follow one that tell one tenth of religion they will be guided have you heard the Saudis too many people narrate this at this that you are in a time if you leave one tenth of the religion you will be misguided the time will come many people who hear father one tenth of the region they

regard this hadith no I am nurse from Joseon Amina he's reliable of mine he's a decent Bihari as well but not the Saudis when I read the Hadees saffiano iana has got two books his tools are a very very long number is 200 my DNA destroyed so many hundreds hundreds it's true that he got when no I'm narrate this hadees or distort said to no one we used to attend his class we never had this any problem and here are so she answer books find the hadees forum in the book all these are in the books that nothing mention we attended a class of many many times an ally medina special him he had a very high drops of young

many times from three times four times he keeps mission that this time I heard the from this wording next time this wording he had complete in for such a long period from ID more than ten years with Sofia marina all this pure blank imperishable sushi on the neighbor that Hadees I know I'm guarded this people I everybody kept asking where you got this at is from then no I mentioned the story the story said he said what happens here I came to the Colossus of young and Sophia narrate started narrating hadith Hana for Ankara Hara for on Cara solace in an asylum where is a Karasu Lhasa alehsalaam that in the classroom even happened something happened in someone cut something wrong

Sophie Anne said to the students you are in a time if you leave one tenth of the legend will be misguided versu fiance para su la solana Sedna before bring the hadith Sofia start and when he saw the moon car now criticizing himself that you are in a time no I am thought what sufyani saying is part of that Hadees Carson Lassa Lassa he connected everybody else in the class understood that's tough yeah what's the honest thing now nothing to Hadees it is your own words Sofia's oh no words became part of the Hadees the carton wine and not only that actually people who recommend mantilla maybe they mention it

had Marco Hadees you can see see actually it happened with me I'll tell you story to you how in how this corruption happen in India there is in Delhi one a biggest guy maybe some people have no no you know his name more never had did ha he's what many books in well I just had that very famous and I have known him for a long long time I know even if the family so whenever I come to really I already to meet him and I had another to Allah by teacher Moorish about the both are from the same mother him Sarah Morrissey Habad used to criticize him a lot the once I came to Dilip muhammad yunus on the mana I do not have said to me your teacher MA Nashua he clear sided me

a lot so I said to him no no I heard him monster he presently he said what did you help I say he stirred to us that Morrow had to arise in the language of Bible Holy Scripture he writes in that language he became very ripe in Milan where he drew on he's got a diary to win you a place for him would ask you to write in that that he asked me can you write this thing in the diary I wrote the demolisher was said this I wrote there when I came back to back to enter anima so I said to my teacher in Molalla to the house saying that you inside him he was in one was very angry though I accept him no more Asha was praised you and he said you writing in the style of Holy Scripture and this and that tomorrow afternoon I didn't say like

that I said he think that he writes in this tires up you know Holy Scripture he thinks it is such a big difference then I asked my other colleagues what actually happened they said yeah you know he's right he did say like I've been under Street knew this he and we were there when he said he said that he moreover he did a hot things you see this thing that he thinks I missed I forgot something and not only as something else I wrote it down now he's got to publish the diary I mean diary to be written the more Shaba said this and now people think it is I said it and my name will be there that I said more oshawa said this is all run told me stick that actually had the many many wicked is what happens it a preacher

come to member he that preaching something from himself something from Hadees in among audiences people are some people weak theythey tall Hadees so there go and SSI and sooner Hadees for I'm so and so it was not hadith it was his thing so this did not invent to not like not ma do not fabricated with a week because this we're not the cube doomed in mistake so similarly we take their mistake and happen and this takes act we are in book people in Bihari forever there had this intro hari so he you know does not mean that we doctors in sahih bukhari no doubt really after the Quran it is the most sound book are the amazingly clearly no doubt at the

miracle of Islam such amazing work it was so much effort has been done a human heart an architrave elation the hadees hi Bihari that in Bihari neural trauma to her at the last run who from the parcel Allah said know that when Adam was created his height what 60 are silent no driver 60 hours then it kept going down down until it we are like our height we had problem because we don't have any proof and even in the world that in any but a human body had been founded which actually was 60 amor keulen don't have anything a girl even in harris man who kids differently Bihari all the time in this hadees he

feels he I can talk incentive God all that you know these bodies of ancient Egypt I we have seen all of the same height like us it never higher than us did his problem everybody was saying that this Hadees we don't know really what it means I asked share use in a world of best model India now his posture of Malala I asked him what is about the sadist he said this Hadees in the mistake of Abu Huraira meaning in Abu Huraira had many teas from people a book cover Hobart to sometime he did a mistake and related that to the person Alison this is one of these he had got from Jewish sources and he tried it from the person right

thoroughly instead of accusing of over a day later no it could be one of them narrator after him Abu Huraira could have narrated from koala bar but one of the narrator later on he did mix it and made it I had Asafa the professor now listen up this mistake happen this mistake happened by many many people worse one of the big narrative hadiza by man who so many from Buhari he neural Hadees of zuri from some ways you look upset - what happened he said actually why I had all had the door he won't bless and hadith have % and replace I turned the page by mistake and how do you have jewelry because I did someone sell it today if you turn the page by mistake this can happen to

mistakes in how this can happen this is team that magic why drag at the personalism first there are few possibilities which I can come one thing is it that one other narrator he misunderstood it it actually was illness from MA and other narrators from it many Sahaba they never the same story but the doors are magic this woman the prophet of our God got heap fever and fever was so severe that the prophets of some time you know basically when the people have fever sometimes they say certain words like when the birth of a dying you know though that moment something he served

in over sir her if I know he not in conscious to sometime the fever lost so much you know the fever something can happen so this basically my fear fever that has come by many companies in this narrative ration somehow it became say this one explanation and that expression also in opium goes for Team epoch you said Asahara Navi savasana as Abu Saleh said ma'am can America Mela Murad this one just an illness it was not real magic that just illness to people that use wrong word this could have happened that the from trauma somehow become Sahara Chi to some

of the narrator second question we keep our schedule if this magic happened to the person and it they say to remain for six months if the magic remains six month is it it is impossible that only I shall use it six and magic and the Prophet for six months it impacts everybody needs the Prophet he leads the prayer people meet with him and this big magic where he forgot that since everybody consumed minerality it should become from Cassidy omar farooq abu huraira ali but nobody knows this magic acceleration as possible magical amazing you know in the magical mists of the Prophet to three days in

house who can imagine when his wife's no but even more than I should but it remains we did for six months nobody know that that Rasha how it's possible but impossible never can happen you know similarly if any mom York you know in your local mosque he gots magic every guru it really spread everywhere everybody will know he's got it you know my G the Prophet got some magic and nobody knows other than ERISA so you know this this part this is never never possible another thing is same hadith apparition has come in some margin forum Hashim forum or awawa nor was the Bala running he did not measure he said it has come to my knowledge that at least could

happen really easy some rumor somewhere because the fever look at the first sight the fever couldn't subsea people have put up that because they were saying that when he was in the fever he wanted to make will Vasya for earlier than later on but Omer stopped him that they could have made this fever I'd imagine to somehow this water became magic into some in a society and regard that is a Barah aana tezcan ali i has got mini-me this farmer comes in the books of Hadees at least from 300 companies why this hadith only Kefauver and her reliable students are a merriment abdul rahman kasi misra muhammad al-baqir in Osawatomie azide

front proof all these people nobody know that the drama so one narration has come reverse a ballot and it has come to my knowledge more likely it could be something spread in the society some people say be spread across she's a people used to spend many many rumors wonder rumored guy deserves them because they wanted to spread the rumor that he prefers as I made will for early the Letran who do they make this rumor that he got a magic and this all those things so anyway the first thing it even if it's a hey sis is going on the Quran we cannot accept it and there are many Hadees everybody Abu Hanifa Malik Shafi are numbered the rigid because it goes against the Quran second thing is that

we are saying that the Professor Larson cannot help this for marriage that the money they are so he's so pure and the third thing is that this hadees with other companies with inert with a woman never saw her that is more likely he got from my home was very sevilla to really and very painful and I shall die Bourbon errors there were more likely and that water in open email josiya he narrates and another thing is that nobody from the strata this thing we need more people to read you know somehow this is your support not a very I did was this is big thing but nobody knows other than Asha and they're from this tune of only us value or one was

how can I possibly dinner so we have got an attorney eration where all of us is Bala Ronnie it came to my man knowledge he does not have the Hadees connected directly to I should not have to directly more likely if it is say it could have been a rumor in the society and you know he picked a dead rumor and there to the people but truth really the prophets in latter only got a fever that has come in the sound her personal listener to summary of the matter really not only that for a from muscle Islam no prophet ever had been affected by any magic magic neighbor what an actually not only done really magic never worked on any companions among Cassidy kumara Faruk Minari none after them got any

magic magic never rock against Abu Hanifa malik shah jahan but all this to limit amina all the people will Allah tell me all these people they have got enemies in the kid some of them have been killed by enemies like one of the great and came out of India means a mother jejamma she had people killed him but no magic magic did not interfere with any of those people how this possible to suck deal with the best men on the face of that when another not worth it to go to harm you know it you know the whole religion becomes our food and then on the top of that no unbeliever a poster if this thing will be big story for unbelievers is the believers in themselves to he got magic and I believe us will make will become

very happy they see we wish to say anyway the Radames food and you can see it much food and a quarantine that mass flow so this summary of the whole material is magic Hyper's magically dirty but it's affected very little and very temporary why does it it only effects the imagination of weak people not as from people for temporary power that Hyper's and because of that people can get some hurting and somehow did happen for our first messengers they never are affected by any magic that's very clean the Quran especially the last prophet the promise and Allah sent them

Coran very clear is Maha su ya se no covenant nas and also his life tells us you know then nobody reports anything like that this had this has got more than heart possibility even if we're sorry we cannot accept it and there are many I mentioned some Hadees in Buhari people don't accept but more likely it is NASA because for that reason I mentioned so these are the summary about the magic and about the story which people mention about the professionalism and I stopped it here and sure you continue bismillah and we will have an

extended inshallah Q&A so I know some of you may have questions picking up from what share has contributed just to clarify first of all on the definition of magic you see magic when we say the word magic it can mean many things including in the English language as in many other languages it's not so an aspect of it could be like a like a like charm that is discussed as magic something amazing is seen as magic

something or striking like poetry is not magical I mean this kind of you could see something like a beautiful scenery and say that's magical we're not discussing anything to do with that just to clarify this is not in that sense magic is not a problem when when you when people say this is magical or it's they had might Wow that that is not an issue at all even deception and trickery and illusions are not the issue the issue we're speaking of is what is referred to sometimes as

fantasy magic okay fantasy magic is the problem so can somebody turn a toad into a prince this is what you read in fairy tales this is magic which we all consider to be good up until the point somebody stamps religion on him and then all of a sudden it becomes okay actually makes what some sense all of a sudden which is I mean this is what seems to happen so there are so that's just to give you that understanding that is what we are dressing with in Islam all the ulama as

even are sure and many of these are the great morph Assyrian of highlighted far Adina Rousey and other people all the scholars of Islam have accepted that the general usage in the Quran of magic is referring to the non fantasy so it's referring to allusions and things like that and that people have no problem with and I'll just expand on that just in a moment this fantasy magic some ulema did accept given their day in age and they believed certain things and there's some hadith of certain Sahaba that they put forward saying oh Allah he

you know that so-and-so when the Jews know such a word that I I know certain things some of the Sahaba said and I think I will radar the Elohim transmitted as well that if I was to tell you that they would turn me into a donkey and stuff like this so these this kind of thing that people took literally and some scholars believed you can actually have chemical property change you can change things I can change this glass into a chair I can do things like that and people actually believe this and shockingly some people still continue to believe this til today under the banner of Islam so with that thought

in mind let's just stop and understand what does the term say actually mean in Arabic because when the Quran came down what did it actually mean the Arabs used the word Sahar generally now the Arabs actually didn't have a culture of magic so you find many of them first sit in will touch upon this that the Arabs in in the time of the prophet muhammad salallahu alaihe salam and before him didn't have a culture of magic and they didn't believe generally that they were magicians they had a concept of magic there's a difference we in a culture and a concept they had a concept that a magic is like all this wizardry and all this stuff and they

believed that magic existed in the ancient times the co-learning and these the Babylonians and and they also believed that the Jewish people had a strong tradition of magic like what and whether it's the same Kabbalah tradition that has come or not but they did believe this the Arabs at the time thought they had this kind of thing about the Jewish people being magicians and being really good with the magic tradition and themselves they used the term ser generally to mean something that is inexplicable like if they couldn't understand something they call itself so the Arabs would call a if if

there was a land that ought to be producing ought to be fertile but it was barren like it wouldn't produce any produce but it was perceptibly okay they would call that Artemis hora a magic turnip on land because they couldn't explain it as a goat or something that wouldn't give milk although it looks like it should they would call it an sermons for Mustafar are like a goat that and just to give you that concept okay now so the olam are they expand on magic being of different categories

what could we just to provide a bit more of a backdrop here we know that in the medieval times and and as this is developed as this thing of merit magic I've explained illusions that's and I've said that the olam I accept that that is the main understanding in the Quran but what else could have Magic fallen under surely everybody wasn't just doing illusions you know when when they say oh he did a magic trick on him and he made him split up with his wife and he caused destruction on this house and he made this person die and this wasn't just all an illusion so what was this so many of them of a serene like Fardeen arrazi they categorize all these categories

into like eight or so categories and even are assured further summarizes them into three and this is the same thing reiterated by chef Mustapha hums as well very famous leading Malachy scholar of the world now the these three are that people when they did magic they this is what they were doing the first one what they called it the ethereal Neve Sonny Otto he mean that it was they were causing some kind of mind-control like you heard examples from the share a moment ago about things going on in India things doing things causing a kind

of mind control that some people are really good at having this what falls under this as well as hypnosis having the ability to create hypnotic trances so people they buy into what you're doing and you see this on TV shows and things like these people are doing hypnotic kind of trances on people and stuff like this the second category is what called like a Kaffir in arabic which is like potions or chemicals people used these so sometimes you can find today we've got chemicals but

historically naturally found chemicals which these people would have used so for example you could find naturally found a minerals and things like lithium now lithium is a mood stabilizer right now somebody could be like let's say somebody some woman comes and says oh my husband you know he's always in a bad mood and he's doing this so he says look here's this water I've blessed it and I've done this and he's got some minerals through trial-and-error like let's say lithium and things like this now the husband is taking that and is

actually working because it is a mood stabilizer so it would stabilize your mood it doesn't make a difference so the person is like wow this is magic in a similar way things like aphrodisiacs things like this were used Oh so-and-so doesn't love me my husband doesn't love me here try these kind of try this try that try and aphrodisiacs create all oxytocin inducing drugs so oxytocin in the brain is the neurotransmitter linked with the whole lovey-dovey feeling so when people are in love the brain releases an huge

amount of oxytocin or a certain amount and you and you create this kind of bond and everybody's just so happy and they just you know the whole world should be about peace and forget about war and it's all that that's oxytocin in the brain so if you just flood that out there in the world we'd have a lot of peace so the thing is now if somebody gets something today you could use chemicals that induce oxytocin but in the past certain plants and things that they found that induce oxytocin as an example would make you very lovey-dovey so if somebody was using that on a

partner that person would naturally be very oh the magic is working so you get all of this and you heard earlier on this you know sometimes safely jadoo or Bengali Jo and we used to see all these adverts in Pakistan in Karachi and stuff like this you know maboob avocado pear and you know this and that you just come in and here every loved will be at your feet and so these kind of potions was another technique that people would use remember they may believe that it's blessing but today we've actually got explanations of how they work and the third one category is what they call chat weather which is like illusions and

trickery and like magic tricks that you see on stage and usually it's Darren brown and people like this doing all these kind of tricks that look Wow and amazing except you know today these people will tell you they may not tell you how they did the trick but they'll tell you this is a trick yeah this isn't like like you heard the sheriff say they turn paper into money and do all of this and turn something into an iPhone and but it doesn't really work like that that's and that's common sense okay just - so this is what magic in essence was and how it was now the claim for any fantasy magic is absolutely absurd now

when we take a look at the Quran there is a verse and I'll come back to that and the share for ready spoke about that one the heart and marut kind of verse but looking at the other is that all speaking about the about magic they're usually to do with moosa aleihsalaam because magic was such a big deal in his time such a big deal it was the thing of the age the magic and and when moosa aleihsalaam addresses them that he says that look all you've done is this is just a cater sir here so the attitude to its ahead is it's nothing

like this is just a plot or the work of a magician well i usually has a halo halo utter magicians i mean and this doesn't mean you flee as in success success success in the Archaea and stuff like this it means like it doesn't mean anything but what does this even mean like it's nothing that what you've kind of brought here and you see Allah uses the verse in the Quran that when they did the magician said okay we're gonna do let's have an event let's have a showdown Clash of the Titans is going down so they're so they said we're gonna have this and Pharaon said call the you know

that dawn Sahara and they came and the dawn magicians and they set a time as well they were very specific with what time Baja has to be early morning I'm a first sitting right because a lot of what they were using was things like Quicksilver which reacts to the sunlight at a particular time more strongly and so it's interesting how they explain this but now they have this this magic thing and they do this and and Allah mentions what you hate yellow Olay him that well you hate you know that this is only a high Earl this isn't it doesn't really have any

kind of reality to it but you hey lol a him in Sahara him and Natasha it looks like they are animated and moving that's in another verse Allah says was Sahara a Union nurse that they did magic on the eyes of people once again referring to that but I wanted to and Musa Alisa I'm addressing this as well with this whole thing of look at your attitude I bring you haqiqa I bring you I talk alone a little hawk tail Imagi I come that is that how you treat the truth when it comes to you is that you say to

it as a Saharan hava but this is just magic the magic meant just nonsense now an interesting point here to mention is that a lot of this depends on the ominous effect the ominous culture that we get scared like when we see something so you heard a story earlier on you know people couldn't explain this they saw you know somebody the great Indian rope trick and and they freaked out now it's this freaking out that plays into this

culture but this freaking out is in a way very human and I think it's important that Allah mentions this in the Quran then but you know that they did this for Oh Josephine FC he see Fatima Musa Musa al-salaam got afraid slightly when they did this it wasn't that you see some of them for Syrian side that oh maybe got scared because people are gonna start listening to them but you see like for Adina Razi transmits from Hassan was sorry that this was a tubby ie it was a natural fear and that's okay that you can you can be afraid like if you see something

you freaks you out rationally you see look you can walk down in your house you can know nobody else is here and there all of a sudden a floorboard creaks now you can know nobody's there rationally you can know it but you freaked out you could think is it paranormal activity am i starting in starring in Episode five or whatever is the thing is you see it's natural you can think like that that's so this is important that Allah mentioned that to show that people will be afraid but it was still a high al it

didn't make it real it was still a hi al just to kind of highlight that and many all my you heard people the ship mentioned the names of allama addressed this some ulema have highlighted that this was the understanding of imam abu hanifa as well that way highlighting that there is no you know it's just an illusion nothing beyond that there were people obviously you've heard quotes from even haslam a voice half palace for a meanie you've got people like if not sure who I quoted most of all Marathi shall to the great Musharraf of al-azhar and people like this as well have added to this discourse showing that look this isn't a

reality okay so it is important to see that but weirdoes if we trace back into Islamic history let's go right back to the this thing that I said that the Arabs believed that the Jews were really had a culture of magic when the Muslims do did Hydra to Medina right the Jews said this rumor got spread that they have done magic on the Muslims that no Muslims can have any that no Muslim that no baby boy can be born to the Muslims so this was the

rumor that was praying and you know what for months on end all the women who were pregnant giving birth there was no boy to be born so this started to reinforce the belief that maybe they have because we you know the Jews they really good at magic so up until you see like I believe almost a year goes by and then Abdul Leibniz obeyed but the alarm on my is born now this is why the Prophet was so happy when he was born not just because oh look it's it's great you know he's

born guys is that you know yeah we proved him wrong but that this belief of these could have in essence destroyed for certain people the concept of tawheed of the true understanding of allah being in control this was it's a key pillar it is the pillar no key is the pillar of faith so it's important to understand that you heard this whole thing about magic being done on the prophet sallahu salaam and you heard chef go into you know some

excellent good a good explanations on that and and giving a good background and a backdrop to that i just wanted to add to that first of all this incident this incident is narrated that the hadith is classed as you've heard Asahi I mean it is transmitted whether it's in Bukhari and Muslim and the rewires of it about this Jewish person called labayda blossom who apparently does this magic on the Prophet this is what the whole thing and this is the story let me tell you the story the story is that the Prophet from some narrations 40 days to general popularly six months he is out

of it and and the Prophet doesn't know up until the end he's made a way that Oh actually this is a magic spell done unto you by labayda blossom who is this la Vida blossom we never really hear of this character again he comes and disappears with this story pretty much now he's done magic on the Prophet and then depending on the narrations somebody goes to this world and they realized that in the hadith in Bukhari mentions been a most enormous shotta there's a comb with some hair wrapped round it's usually it's always here here is so ominous that it's always used in all of these magical tricks I

mean sorry in these magical kind of stories it's always they got some hair and scattered here everywhere but anyway so there's some here in this well and then the Prophet they take this out and everything's better during this incident this alleged incident the Prophet is reported to be forgetful clumsy or Liars of Allah that this is how they described him the incidents go to the facts sexually impotent they go to the fact incredibly clumsy that he could and forgetful that he couldn't that he would miss Forge memories of sexual encounters with his wives

in saying oh they he believed he did have sex but they told him no you didn't like this tip this extent I consider this an affront to the honor of the Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu leaves a limb as Muslims it is a disgrace that this literature that this concept is not being floated around by non-muslims or by people but by Muslims themselves are prepared to compromise the honor of the prophet muhammad salallahu alaihe salam on hurling all these insulting comments at him in the name of some kind of oh no

but it's it's a hadith and and I'll get to that in how I believe this hadith has oh this concept not a hadith but this concept has been preserved so this is the understanding and you've heard the verses of the Quran when Allah says that calleth Allah moon those press it the tyranny of their oppression the inter turbo owner Allah rajala Mistura that you only follow a man who magic has been done on - so tell me and people will say yeah but that was before in Makkah well if it could happen in in Medina why can't it happen in Makkah why

is the idea so absurd why is Allah saying that you know that look at what they look at the kind of nonsense that they're saying why is it so absurd the way allies addressing it called Vaalu you know the loose Sabeel that they've lost the plot but yeah if it happened in Medina the other thing is how do we distinguish then between hadith as as you heard chef Akram say that the Prophet for six months is engaging in things how do you differentiate between hadith normal teachings that the Prophet was doing in this time and magic and people could say well oh no Allah protected him during the religious pots

so it's a bit like the papacy you know the Pope effect so the Pope according to the Catholic Church is infallible he's protected when he's speaking about religion only so this but that's that's such an absurd and arbitrary state because especially considering the fact that the Prophet himself in these narrations is saying he apparently he didn't even know magic was done unto him so now somebody could say well yeah true these verses of the Quran do say that you know inter-terminal a Raja Lamas Quran and Allah is condemning this and

Allah says as you heard the verse many times Allah who ya simul come in earnest Allah will protect you from people go forth you know spread to man and people say ah but was the Prophet protected in the Battle of a hood turn his teeth get damaged so why didn't Allah protect him you see there is a distinction let's just clarify there is a clear distinction between the apparent physical phenomena of this world which we can ourselves engage in so if something is coming to me yes it can hit

me I know what it is I can defend myself as well I can do that this I am fully conscious of I'm engaging in my world but if we're speaking about the unseen which I have no idea of I don't even know it's happening that is absurd because how am i smart because according to this the bet because according to us the best of creation is the prophet muhammad salallahu alaihe salam and he doesn't even know so for mother look happiness you know what do you think about the rest of us but we've got no hope if if the Prophet himself cannot be saved from the unseen we're not talking about the

physical realm because there you can defend yourself or set up mechanisms but so this is where that statement is just absurd and you heard that this hadith as the chef said that it it doesn't matter if it's in sahih bukhari Asahi Muslim the hadith clashes with the Quran the hadith is unacceptable many Allah ma of Alesana have highlighted and problematized this hadith including you heard a worker or just sausage men what animal hey Dean or its misconstrued it's a misconstrued

event as you heard some good examples actually and I like the example about mallanna or Haider Dean's kind of comment because I thought that's a it gave a real life but such a true statement of wow how people can mix things up and so now I wanted to also a good point here is tell me if the prophet could say on this in this Haditha yes I engaged in sexual intercourse no I did and the wife saying no actually he didn't then what about those testimonies that were done before the Prophet about people doing a crowd

about Xena you know like nice and these are the kind of testimonies you have way they said oh I committed zina and they're getting punished because they believed they did but surely if the Prophet himself could believe that he did and get it wrong according to this hadith then how can other people be held to account and they're not prophets where does the host where does the whole chapter of testimony go this is such a dangerous kind of door or portal that that has been opened unfortunately so

where does this come from one understanding you've heard is that this is a misconstrued event I believe it definitely is misconstrued but some another key ingredient maybe and I believe that in the time we know that there was obviously and this isn't a kind of an anti-jewish thing but there was at the time there was some clashes with some Jewish tribes of burning on the air and fiber and we know that this these issues did have they didn't always there wasn't always ups and downs but there was as well quite a few towards the end of the life of the prophet sallallaahu I leave Salem I believe that this was a cup this rumour was also

spread by some of the Jewish people why because you see in the time of Musa magic was at its peak according to them and the Jewish people were known for magic and they see this thought that wait a minute our Prophet Musa despite the best of magicians coming to him couldn't be impacted in the slightest by magic yeah you prophet muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam one of our very own did magic on him and impacted him

for months on end you tell me who is better another part that adds to this narrative is there's another story which I once again I personally do not accept in its entirety is the fact that the Prophet was poisoned well the way it's described I'm saying I don't accept it now once again by a Jewish woman you see that not only do we poison your prophet and he can't be defended and some Muslims argue shockingly that even he eventually died because of that poison the Prophet died eventually several Muslims argue this is

shocking now so the Prophet has had magic done by a Jewish man Lebedev lassen who by the way does nothing happens to lobby the blosum there's no consequences he's never heard of his not punished and this in my understanding may be an indirect or an indirect kind of attack or a question mark presented by Imam Malik when he presents the hadith in the motto he ignores all of these are these but presents the hadith that the magician ought to be punished because if the magician ought to be punished then why wasn't lobbied they will ask them punished nothing about him nothing he just walks nothing about him

after that now let alone the fact that the Hadees in the hadith when the Angels read my words attain cool out a bit of wilful applause but I've been asked these are mucky sewers the Prophet already knew these sewers so okay the Prophet apparently forgot the maybe at that time the benefit of them all they were reminded to him this is what the the story is presenting in addition to their happens to be a hadith Manta sabaha visible item arathi Najwa that whosoever eats seven a Java dates a day

Lamia Dora who someone well as AHA this is apparently the Prophet teaching this that anybody who is these dates cannot be harmed by neither poison no magic the two very things he then gets harmed by this is a mockery of Islam and it's an insult and an affront to our beloved messenger sallallahu alayhi wasallam now how that wait a minute the Profi is teaching this and then he's impacted by the to the both very things that he's actually teaching people oh this is how you stay safe from these things he actually gets impacted by them and so oh

so I wanted to just shed some light that this is utterly this is unacceptable altogether now the story is definitely either made up or misconstrued I do believe that is definitely misconstrued along the way it sounds actually very I love the import that the chef gave about his shams rewai about Bela honey and how this may have then become transmitted as his famous chain from you know his father from Aisha because Imam Malik horrible birth daddy transmits the Imam Malik never can allow your vehicie that he would he wasn't happy with he sham because especially

since he came back from Iraq and what he used to transmit Khatib al-baghdadi transmits from certain people that Imam Malik never used to like him and like his transmissions but I'm not saying I'm just putting that in there as a little question mark I'm not saying you we have to reject all these transmissions or anything but it's a question mark to see hmm this is interesting now so so just to to to highlight that I did want to say that okay well people might say okay if look today we've heard chef Adam say you've heard other ulema if not shoot most of all Marathi all these shells to the ulama of al-azhar all these people

saying look no magic wasn't done on the Prophet and this is all like this but then tell me there were many great in Islam Abner Hajj or Imam no we called the ER in all these great people legends of Islam couldn't they arrive at this simple understanding that you guys have arrived at or you guys you know got access to some special in what kind of pre-workout drink are you guys on so the thing is how is it that you know this and it wasn't obvious to them so I want to explain that to explain that I need you to just slightly just take a step

back mentally and just try to understand what where I'm where I'm coming from I want to speak about orthodoxy for a moment what makes mainstream beliefs in Islam and I think this would be a beautiful topic for another day as well in full detail but what makes because in the time of the prophet Mohamed Salah listen there wasn't we didn't have a list of beliefs the Prophet just said in the hadith Iman is just believing in these five of six thing you never said more than that today we have Creed we have a list going now you miss one of

them you're out of Islam in the time of the Sahaba there wasn't a list there wasn't like if you went to Omar Roja table and said what what a Muslim supposed to believe in yeah they'll say believe in allies messenger as in the hadith these books you know and afterlife that allies absolutely in control things like that's it there's no there isn't gonna be like all these these details and so so okay but people might say hey but in the time of the Sahaba things weren't developed fine okay let's move on turbot aim okay hadith start to get documented let's

move on again at about October in time of Imam Malik are things documented now Imam Malik from him transmitted as volumes five volumes of the Madonna dealing with all Messiah buying selling married divorced speaking about sectarian things Hawara geometers Allah this this is does he have a belief system know the demand Malik but teach you what Muslims ought to believe as a believe now they don't have it dead imam abu hanifa recollect bar is not imam about honey facebook it's attributed to him and by i mean it's

actually more or less the work of some of the Huaraz means who came after this did imam abu hanifa know this in fact the word allah sunnah didn't even exist so what define the main body of muslims usually okay there's some good work done on this usually the dedication to hadith as a movement as a social movement became the this is why mama boffin Eva took a lot of slack because he wasn't part of that clique so to speak but the people who dedicated themselves to hadith became known as the main body the orthodoxy anyway moving more importantly

this extremist group emerge in early Islam in the time of the turban and it's about a being known as the martyrs Allah why I say they were extremists is because they believed by committing a major sin you were no longer Muslim they said you weren't kaffir but they came up with a purgatory state you were a man's illa bima manzil attained this is the first thing that split them artists Allah from the main body of the Muslims then they went on to develop other beliefs along the way as they started to get more sophisticated over the generations because the main body of Muslims had dedicated themselves to hadith work these people relied more on

language on literature and then sometimes just common sense and reason now the issue was that the Methuselah started to make some matters a point now the moment they made it a point it became theological turf war there was turf war going on now so the moment the martyrs Eli believe in something we have to hate it all now this still happens today with all the other groups the martyrs Allah came up with this they

used to mock a lot of things with normal Allison whatever they were up and downs debates but they mocked this concept as well there's no such thing as magic ah the Methuselah saying what are you talking about of course there is magic they say well no there isn't this is nonsense this is this in the parentheses ah even the Prophet had magic done unto him you see this was retrospectively reinforced as a narrative to support the sectarian turf war that was going on and it just people became blinded to the fact that was it

compromising even the honour of the Prophet but it's just that what's important is we prove this point an example is like you will get like let's say in a good one now it's calm down but in the subcontinent Indian subcontinent maybe a decade and a half ago this huge big thing about roughly thing or maybe two decades ago roughly then became this huge thing and people because the seller fees at the time were people who generally and some sure fees but we're doing roughly then and it was seen as whoa so people start to say Oh to do this is to be a Wahhabi roughly then

it's got nothing to do with the Wahhabi group or the it's got nothing chef a year to roughly Dane DeHaan ability roughly Dane the Maliki ado roughly then there's nothing to do with the Wahhabi Salafi movement but it became it became a victim of theological turf war sectarian this kind of sectarian warfare so now people started hate all roughly they do you know why people did roughly Dane because in the time of the Prophet the mana 15 used to hide these little statues in their armpits like this and these to take them to the Masjid so they can keep their gods close to them and saw the Prophet and this is found out

and said or do roughly attain they're gonna fall out this I heard the story myself this story I don't know if you guys have heard this is this is look the point is why are you over doing it awfully Danish from the for bottle of Salah some do it some dog why the big deal big deals not because of Rafaela Dane big deals because the Wahabis are doing so we have to be different we have to attack any a good another good example three deluxe let's take the three thalaaq as an example now the three italics in one modulus minority opinion but it's existed in every method every

single method helpers at this view starting even the hanafis with our raw co-worker al-razi and and other people and you've got sorry mohamed ignore Makati la Rossi and you've got in the Malik here several people said in the chef area the Hana beulah every mother have said it okay may not have been the popular view but every mother's day oh but because the seller fear made it their view the hobbies made it their view oh now all hell will break loose so now oh my god it's the worst kind of Xena this is this your house will be

cursed do not expand I get the amount of cases I'm sure chef gets tons of cases I the amount of people that speak to me about this oh you know and they're so guilty like ah that you know I want the relationship to be saved but I can't because you know I've set the lock three times and you know they've told me this is the worst kind of Xena this is like this this is like this and I've gotta do halala and this is another industry that opens off he assumed he adult in industry that kind of comes off from this but the thing is now so this why why you will this harshness against the three tell ox

is it because a fifteen masala no because of the sectarian a good example muta with the Shia or wiping over the feet or the socks same thing what I'm itself is not is a fifty debate in essence I mean generally most polymer will believe it to be Haram some may not but it was in essence something to do with thick to do with marriages it wasn't to do with al-qaeda in fact it was the understanding of it not a person Ryan even or Hussein and I think Jabbar are gradually and other kind of people from the Salaf but but what was oh the

moment the Shia hady it now became a sectarian Matteson you have to destroy the hell're of the argument and you have to be as harsh as you can and the same thing happened with magic and jinn possessions and all this kind of stuff because the Motta's illa held a stance Alesana retrospectively re-engineered our narrative to fall in line with this to just bash them to hate on analyst so now were generally early days very proud of reason but the moment Mozilla start to use it they start to

bash on reason and say you know none of this makes any sense so these were the key things that I wanted to kind of address the this incident of her route and marut that is used in the Quran once again just bringing it to that Allah mentions that that they were that what was revealed allowed Malik Ain right and this is generally understood as angels and according to Abner Percy's reading Malik cane the two kings and this is what many of them are serine say is

Saahil mana this is what the meaning is that these were two very pious people in in Babylon that they were so pious that they were seen as angels so people perceived them as angels and that's why they've read as angels these were not actual according to this understanding they were not actual angels that came down and was sent to kind of teach people and became these kind of stars in the sky or whatever this kind of story that circulated is nonsense they were these two people that were teaching with what were they teaching those categories of magic that I said you know like of what is hypnosis what is mind control

what is this maybe these kind of inducing chemical inducing things maybe stuff but they were telling people look listen and people are saying wow you are something else because what what is clocks third famous Lord the popular thing that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic any sufficiently advanced technology is always indistinguishable from magic so these people have this they've got this skill which to people is like magic so they like you know you guys are something maybe you're a god and they like local or not enough it's Mattoon so

that sackful you know like this this is just don't let this try you like become a test for you I've got these skills and in the head in the IMI you for hakuna be he bein on ma it was old it doesn't say how they split the people you know people would use this to split people up how would this one way is like this I get my doll and I stick needles in it and and this guy this is happening over there this Quran doesn't say that you can make people split through conspiracies through backbiting through mind control through kind of like with mind control and hypnosis you can

actually embed commands of hatred sometimes how do you people go to cognitive-behavioral kind of therapy CBT to want to quit smoking how do they help you quit smoking they embed command commands into your subconscious about hating cigarettes and stuff like this and it works with several people so so these kind of things you can make people have a hatred this many ways it's not just I pick up a doll and stick needles in and get here wrap it round squander it or whatever throw it into the air and get a black coat and stroke it three times and you know like this kind of this is our understanding of magic nothing like that has come from the

karana sauna so I just wanted to highlight these things the hadith I did I think worth touching up on the sub are what I did mention the seven dates that the Prophet said in the hadith which is in Sahih Muslim that Montes abba-abba-abba is a Marathi Najwa most of the people who commented on this didn't did not accept this hadith in that understanding so even people like call the yard and all these people who come afterwards they said maybe the Prophet was speaking about something in Medina exclusively and in fact Imam Missouri in his commentary on malam before the Muslim gives a very good understanding

and he says he says that maybe he says Allah who that was in the prophet's time over there because he says that i have not known and not understood he says that i do not know mister maha shiva with alec fearless amanina he says i do not know that that kills people today in our day and age like this so look how they were looking at hadith and in my understanding this hadith was hyperbole it was it was just hyperbolic he was emphasizing the

benefits of date of date so if I was to say to you something like boy you really need to buy this phone it's so awesome it'll make you forget everything so when the Prophet and this is the kind of thing that even a whole dune and these and other similar scholars highlight about the medicine in the time of the Prophet they say when the Prophet was addressing these think this is what so when the Prophet is saying that these dates are so good that it would even kill magic as that's and it's like it's it's hyperbole it's like trying to say that it's so beneficial and you see that in another hadith intermedia the Prophet

said Peyton or Darin Latimore feeha Jaya on a low that a house with no dates in it its people are just starving because the dates were such so cool and even though are we said in commenting upon that he said that this didn't mean dates that's just because the Prophet in his environment it was dates he said nano filler Phil Andaluz we in Al Andalus a Muslim Spain would say Dhahran latina feeha the house which has no FIGS jr.

on a low that is family or starving because that is our common kind of fruit like that so so just to to clarify and once again the reason why this is so important to just some des is that because of the amount of abuse and exploitation that is conducted under this banner it is ruthless the amount of abuse I mean you heard stories now about people just owning up to stuff saying look I have to do this because I need money for it I need you know those uh I've cited this before some way in the Midlands this some Baba is on

YouTube where he he does this whole thing with putting he dips his foot in oil obvious guys seen the videos that go he says he'll in oil and then rubs it on usually the women's bodies and and then they get shiver and this is it's on YouTube and and the charge ridiculous money and they charge and and even when you look at the guy okay I'm being judgmental but I mean I don't know the person but I would really doubt that they have any understanding of Islam that goes beyond very superficial I mean I could be totally wrong and he's an a llama to hadith and he comes out and says what are you talking about that whitney made these mistakes in his but i

doubt that the thing is yet but people fall for this time and time again because people want miracle solutions you see when you're desperate like it is true that when you're ill you will want anything you will just want a solution and if somebody said there's this a i remember reading in this poem person saying about the the drowning person it's enough for him to just clutch onto a straw like he gives him some hope that's like even though the strong ain't gonna save him but it gives him some hope and and to these people when they've got an illness and somebody says that okay why do you go to this baba i

remember once i when I was studying in pakistan i got jaundice you know the yellow hepatitis a whatever so you eyes go yellow and everything in the whole and I remember like obviously they told me I'll just can take weeks and somebody said hold on are not like a don't worry I know somebody I'm take you to him and don't worry you gonna get better and I thought like a her beliefs turn but this is it I was so desperate for just because it was it was horrible it's just like the feeling was like you just can't do it anything it is you can't eat because you throw up you nothing has any fun in it you can't just lie down because it's

horrible lying down you can't do anything it's so so I said okay just take me just take me anyway just get make this finish and they took me to this guy and I when I saw I thought the guy was gonna give me some herbs and stuff and maybe you never know like maybe they've got some he was one of these kind of Baba's that they've taken me to and and he had this thing and I thought he's gonna give me that herb he had this kind of herb and everything in this pot and he goes no he's like I need this kind of Chamba these guys like them and I was like state me back and so but but people when you're desperate you want a solution and this is where this

market then opens up to people and it's done under the name of Allah and His Messenger and this is why it's an affront and it's it's its duty I feel to kind of clarify these things and the solution is to seek proper two things want to seek proper help from either your social network or from if it's a health issue whatever it is or if it's an economic issue or if it's a relationship issue you know the reason you've gone bankrupt isn't because somebody's done throw is on you because then like the chef said come on seriously how diff in this digital day and age digital day and age how difficult is it to just add a few zeros

to your bank account that come on that's gotta be easy like people could say in the past okay transporting gold to the other parts of the world but they stay in it come on if you're such a jinn with I mean a jinn Don with like thirty thousand gene or you've got all these kind of to just say listen it's add a few zeros to my bank account it doesn't does this ever happen you know like countries like Pakistan which are roaming with jinn Baba's and and these kind of college are doing stuff like I've said why don't they just double and triple the the country's GDP one is go look listen this this week I've decided to take out and to help the country so

this week we're going to Pakistan's GDP just shot up people because sign baba or so the thing is that this anyway so this is the the kind of thing to look at this with reason so that's the first point the second point is that we need to focus on greatest social issues that are actually damaging us that things like like general communities that and the issues all going on because like chef spoke earlier on as well things like within families there's a lot of this kind of like nonsense or just things we've got a culture of it and we all know these kind of things and they're

causing problems they're causing psychological problems with people this needs to be tackled and mental health needs to be kind of embraced as opposed to kind of shunned right now the way this so may Allah make things easy so with that