# Can hadith be sifted with criteria, or must the whole corpus be rejected? *A living tradition versus a pile of garbage: the false witness and the stoning verse eaten by a goat* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/zmirskjob4o/s/9/ - Date: 2020-06-26 · Kind: discussion · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Prof. Edip Yuksel | Rejecting Hadith, Rashad Khalifa & Realizing '19' | MindTrap with Mufti #27 (48:57–52:50) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmIrskjob4o&t=2937s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/zmirskjob4o/ **Topics:** Hadith in legal reasoning and hadith absolutism; Quran-only movement; Hudud and punishments **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth says the Prophet's practice survives as a living tradition in fiqh and that he accepts a hadith only if it passes reason, the texts and the principles. The guest replies that narrators who fabricated a stoning verse forfeit all credibility, like a false witness in the Quran. ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth says his position differs in that there is a living tradition passed down and captured in fiqh and, in part, in hadith, and that he measures every hadith against three criteria, that it does not contradict reason, the transmitted texts or the established principles, before accepting it. The guest calls this picking beans from a poisonous pile of garbage and asks what the Quran says of someone who falsely accuses another of adultery; Mufti answers that those who accuse chaste women without witnesses are punished and their testimony is never accepted again. The guest applies this to Bukhari and Abu Hurayra: the books contain not one false accusation against God and the Prophet but major lies and contradictions, including a fabricated stoning verse said to have been written on a sheet under Aisha's bed and eaten by a hungry goat, and Umar's saying that he would add it to the Quran were it not for fear of being accused of adding to it; Mufti confirms the report is in Ibn Majah and elsewhere. The guest says these liars had thousands killed by stoning, made music and even chess haram and turned millions of lives into hell, so it is inconsistent to admit they lied and still seek religion in their books. ## Sources and names cited - Edip Yuksel - a hadith must not contradict reason, the transmitted texts or the established principles - The deen reaches us through continuous living practice - Quran 24:4 (those who accuse chaste women without four witnesses): https://quran.com/24/4 - report: the verse of stoning was written on a sheet under aishas bed and a goat ate it - report: umar said i would write the verse of stoning if people would not say he added to the book of allah - Abu Hurayra - Umar ibn al-Khattab - Aisha - Sunan Ibn Majah - Sahih al-Bukhari - fiqh ## Transcript (machine tier, 48:57–52:50) [48:36] absurd and how the concept that the Prophet married a child or how he's tortured the people of arena and all of these I've actually personally spoken about in the past dismissed them as false narrations and I agree with you on all of these matters that I suppose the distinction is I but I say that there is something called a living tradition which was passed down and it was was captured within things like firkin and and somehow these have captured it as well but every time we read a hadith I I followed the understanding that it should be measured against the three that lamu by Anil [49:14] McCool lemme holla filmin all Alamein ocotillo soul and then we can accept it if it doesn't go against reason or the Quran my brother please this is a poisonous god pile of garbage there are some you see listen you see some beans there some piece of bread there and some vegetables that you see well this is not rotten and this meat is not smelly stinking I'm going to jeez that is poisonous stop wiggling around this garbage like a fly you will not get [49:51] something truth the Quran says and in the Sunnah leg uni meaning here is a question for you the Quran says if someone falsely accuse someone of adultery and it is shown that it is false witness testimony what the Quran says about that person about that witness I mean they it would either be if a person if they if they do cause if they accuse chaste women of something they can't provide witnesses they are punished for that their polish and never [50:30] accept any more testimony from them you remember a little much now this guy this bihari guy or abu huraira guy whoever they are I don't care but it is when we see it is about the books about the narrations from there we see them not only one false accusation to God and Mohammed we see major lies contradictions and obvious small one except for example they have even fabricated the verse a sheikh who has shaken is as energy boom and better there and they couldn't user to the Quran and they say well it was written on the Quran [51:08] it was written on a letter it was under Ayesha's bed and then after prophet mohammed a hungry goat ate it and therefore now you know it doesn't happy voice oh yeah it seems I believe I think it's in even imagined say I think yes yes and but not only in imagine the others also referred to like Omar says if people did not say Omer is adding to the Quran I would add this a shake-a shake-a that is ayat al rajim in the brother for it is in other books also it is justified now imagine they made up [51:45] even adverse and they couldn't assert it after prophet mohammed look at the problems and thereafter prophet mohammed a hungry god eat it and it is man so from Quran it is taken out of the Quran then the Musab but it is still valid and they kill people many many thousands of people were killed in barbaric way because of this now this guy falsely accused guy that caused people's life that made turn people's wounds like two miserable life that may make dogs will be killed and make people not benefiting [52:23] from music even they make music Haram even playing chess Haram basically they made up so many lies they've turned people millions of people life into hell and you still say well I know these are lies but we still go in this book will find our religion will try to understand Quran according to these Liars this big big liars but the Quran says you know falsely accusing one person yeah will hurt that person alone even that one you'd never listen to their testimony again you never trust the testimony of that person who by the ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment ZmIrskjob4o/s/9. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/zmirskjob4o/s/9/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. 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