# Does the guest think every hadith is fabricated?

*Are all hadith fabricated? Truth mixed with falsehood, and the messenger's duty to deliver*

- URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/zmirskjob4o/s/5/
- Date: 2020-06-26 · Kind: discussion · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Prof. Edip Yuksel | Rejecting Hadith, Rashad Khalifa & Realizing '19' | MindTrap with Mufti #27 (27:59–31:53)
- Status: a view quoted in order to be discussed, not a position held
- Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmIrskjob4o&t=1679s
- Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/zmirskjob4o/

**Topics:** Quran-only movement; Sunnah versus hadith; Orthodoxy and how Islam spread

**Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** The guest says not every hadith is evil, but truth is mixed with falsehood and even genuine sayings cannot be a source of religion, since the Quran makes God the only source of law and limits the messenger's duty to delivery.

## Longer summary

Mufti Abu Layth says he agrees with many of the examples but asks whether the guest holds that one hundred percent of hadith are fabricated or that hadith is simply unusable because the genuine cannot be told from the false. The guest says he does not claim all of it is evil: Satan mixes truth with falsehood like poison in candy, and the hadith books contain nice statements such as kindness to neighbours that the Prophet may have said, but the same can be found in Chinese proverbs, and the Prophet's words cannot be the source of the religion even if genuine; the Quran, he says, asks the Prophet himself to follow the Quran, and 42:21 rejects any source of sharia besides God, so the messenger's only duty was to deliver the message, as 6:19 and 25:30 say. Mufti notes that academics such as Fred Donner argue in Muhammad and the Believers that the Prophet's lifetime saw a believers' movement in the line of the Abrahamic traditions, with early documents bearing la ilaha illa Allah without the Prophet's name, and that John of Damascus described early Muslims as a fringe Christian faction, which resonates with the guest's position.

## Sources and names cited

- Edip Yuksel
- Quran 42:21 (partners who legislate what Allah has not permitted): https://quran.com/42/21
- Quran 6:19 (this Quran was revealed to me to warn you): https://quran.com/6/19
- Quran 25:30 (my people have deserted this Quran): https://quran.com/25/30
- Fred Donner
- Muhammad and the Believers (Fred Donner)
- John of Damascus
- Sharia

## Transcript (machine tier, 27:59–31:53)

[27:23] 600 of them or 800 of them basically Massacre all of them and this is what to justify the Kings Familia Dora Bassett and later Ottoman Kings that okay Mohammed did this he killed people we can't kill the same way or Mohammed killed the woman who is criticizing him because supposedly she insulted Mohammed yes according to the Quran they can insult there is no religion a punishment for insult someone insult your religion your God according to the chapter 4 verse 140 you just say peace you live if they are making mockery and then you go

[28:03] back again you continue discussing if they are not making mockery that's it but like I agree with you on you know many of these things that you've cited but I'm curious that would you feel that 100 percent of hadith are fabricated or do you feel it's that not 100 percent but it's just that because we can't distinguish therefore we're not going to get engaged with with this with this resource is this which one of the two camps do you just feel that hadith is just like an evil Enterprise which

[28:41] altogether it has zero percent validity to it or do you know good question good question I do I don't claim that all evil now in fact in order to evil Satan to fool people the Quran says yet we soon adoptable the bottle to mix the truth with a falsehood this is what us a lot of candies inside the candy put the poison there are some good word statements a lot of good statements in Hadees books we cannot be never be sure whether Muhammad said it

[29:19] or not but we can say some of these perhaps Muhammad said it because they are nice word be nice to your neighbor smile to your neighbor good thing there's not there is nothing wrong with that but you can find this statement in Chinese proverb - in many fiction books you can find many statements the same even much better than hadees therefore first of all whether the words of Muhammad even we hear today whether it can be the source of our system Islam no the Quran says no the Quran says no and Muhammad believed in the Quran Muhammad never claimed that his own words is a

[29:57] source of sharia or system a source of Dean because mullah seen le hood Dean we are asked Muhammad also asked to follow to Paris a Jew to have dedicate the system only to God alone therefore the soul in a Luke wheeler Lila I mean that is true you know you get should I cannot share I would mean a beanie magnate yes I'm villa which

[30:33] versus the zealous 42 chapter 42 verse 21 it rejects any other besides God to be the source of Sharia laws and therefore Muhammad was only messenger as a messenger he was only limited his job as a messenger to deliver the message Vimala rasool e the messenger has no duty Allah except el Bella delivering the message which the Quran says chapter 6 verse nineteen that is the Quran or chapter 25 verse 30 yes

[31:13] no because I was gonna say that yes many academics today Fred Donna amongst them who has a book as well saying this very same thing that seems that in the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad Sal Allahu Allahu Allah he had a movement which is like he's saying that yes it's you know Islam is it but Islam is slightly an institutionalization version of it that if anything you'd call that early movement the believers movement and he caught me and his book Mohammed amongst the the believers now he this is what he's arguing that he's found they found

## Cite

Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment ZmIrskjob4o/s/5. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/zmirskjob4o/s/5/

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