# How does the guest's number 19 differ from Bible numerics, and how does he read 74:29-31?

*19 as a test, Ivan Panin and Rabbi Judah, and retranslating 74:29-31*

- URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/zmirskjob4o/s/16/
- Date: 2020-06-26 · Kind: discussion · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Prof. Edip Yuksel | Rejecting Hadith, Rashad Khalifa & Realizing '19' | MindTrap with Mufti #27 (1:38:44–1:45:14)
- Status: a view quoted in order to be discussed, not a position held
- Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmIrskjob4o&t=5924s
- Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/zmirskjob4o/

**Topics:** How to read the Quran; Tafsir and verse study; Quran-only movement

**Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** The guest says 19 is a test most people fail, distinguishes his system from Ivan Panin's Bible numerics, and retranslates 74:29-31 as describing a precise, obvious mathematical structure rather than scorching the skin in hell.

## Longer summary

The guest says that just as most people rejected the miracles of Moses and Jesus, most fail the test of 19, which he says atheists cannot refute in debate. Mufti Abu Layth asks what makes 19 unique when Ivan Panin, a Russian convert to Christianity, argued for numeric patterns of seven, eight and fifty in the Bible. The guest says Panin made impressive but anecdotal observations with no system, whereas he believes the Old and New Testaments carry a 19-based structure, citing an eleventh-century Rabbi Judah [?] who wrote volumes on 19 in the Old Testament of which one survives, and Mufti adds that the Hebrew calendar runs on a nineteen-year cycle. The guest then says two verses before the mention of nineteen in chapter 74 are mistranslated: lawwaha lil-bashar does not mean scorching the skin, since bashar in the Quran always means a human being, so it means obvious to humanity; saqar is not hell but a punishment through the frontal lobe, a metaphor for an intellectual challenge; and la tubqi wa la tadhar means neither more nor less, precise, a description of the mathematics of a numerical book, kitab marqum, which witnesses are enlightened by while the ignorant and corrupt are confounded by their dogmas.

## Sources and names cited

- Edip Yuksel
- Quran 74:29-31 (lawwaha lil-bashar, over it are nineteen): https://quran.com/74/29-31
- Ivan Panin
- Rabbi Judah (11th century) [?]
- bashar
- saqar
- kitab marqum (numerical book)
- Old Testament
- Musa (Moses)
- Isa (Jesus)

## Transcript (machine tier, 1:38:44–1:45:14)

[1:38:17] chickens this people can straightaway fathom what you're saying and they can number 19 is specifically mentioned in the Quran as a pest to distinguish those people who trust God the honest people from hypocrites and from ingrates therefore it is safe majority of people are failing this test is exactly what God wants God says this God one could fail of course it is this worldly life is for tests and when do you think when Moses came with those miracles majority of people believe they did they see it no they said it is fake when Muhammad

[1:38:57] when Jesus came how many people really supported him he showed all the miracles a yeah majority of people did not see the same about this one it is a powerful miracle when I when I use this miracle against 18 they cannot refute it check my debate with my question a question yet they was I believe is a I've an panin and after him other people in Christianity from the I think the 19th century a Russian convert to Christianity who also kind of pioneered

[1:39:34] this research yes on Theo Mattox one could say he because he argues a very similar thing about the Bible argues things like number eight number seven number 50 is this not a similar thing what makes this unique I'm just saying somebody close this question yeah timing I think has some very impressive observations that truth but I don't see that it is a system it is anecdotal separate observations and I do think in the Bible in the old and new Testament there is mathematical structure or

[1:40:12] exactly based on number 19 it's not only we believe it is true because in 11th century rabbi Judah has written eight volumes on number 19 in the Old Testament and seven volumes unfortunately is lost but we have one volume of this book just any toothpaste translation of a truth beyond doubt that number 19 is also a code in Old Testament and 100% sure it is in the New Testament if you find the original Hebrews and will be able to see exactly the same because it is divine signature

[1:40:51] now the old Hebrews I believe they they set their entire calendar on a 19-year cycle so even though they would introduce leap months yes but the whole Metis cycle yep that would be 90 minutes exactly now let me come to number 19 about that one the verse says a laetus etosha on it is 19 but before that there are two verses mistranslated very distorted by traditional translations for example traveling heavy laden be sure so loosely

[1:41:29] he sucker women attract a massacre they're typically weather a desert it doesn't leave no spare it is not more not less now what happened in be sure that is obvious that is obvious like no han like a tablet like a screen to humanity that we have to deal okay I understand because people understood that to mean about the skin isn't it like it logo hats a little but you know the Quran look at the Quran the word Bashar never mentioned as a skin anywhere in the world - Otto Kron pull

[1:42:08] in a man ever share on his Newcombe say I am human being like you and he doesn't say I am a skin like you correct the previous words just before this one future sporadic ballet in hell that I will be sure he said this is a human world he didn't say this is the skin world this is the word of skin no and the following verse in fact after a layer - satire the verse is more when I yell daddy crying be sure it's finished and then they translate that man also as

[1:42:43] a reminder for humanity for humans they don't say as a reminder for skin but somehow these birds they mistranslated as a skin and what disc you know the one before it's a sleepy sucker that I will cast them into hell fire how do you translate that it's not hell it is Santa Living God doesn't want you to rush before God you will not have it merely sanika but at I shall be the main ally in a bionic God wants you says so Lisa I will put him in a difficult situation

[1:43:20] suffer in fact sutter literally means the heat that boils the person's forehead it is really frontal lobe it is metaphor use I will punish that person through frontal lobe and when I break a man suffer do you know what a sufferer means not rush make it hell God if God wanted could says and not so slightly Gehenna so sweet and God doesn't use that word specifically use the word sucker with her connection with frontal lobe because this is any collection challenge and then says when I attract a man suffer do

[1:43:58] you know what that sucker me there to be weather hazard it is not that the air becomes fun it is not leave behind it's not more it is not less it is precise now we're happy we'll be sure it is universal it is obvious for everyone not for Arabs alone the way and why it is plural of flower but therefore it is description of mathematics in the quran and that the quran says what turbine mark boom it is numerical book they even mistrusted his verse they want to hide satan wants to hide that iran is a numerical book

[1:44:38] stubborn were foolish shadows Caribou the numerical book those who are close to God they wouldn't say but those who are not witness they will not they will be fisted gene they will be confounded by their ignorance but their dogmas they will not see it and those who witness the traveler whom they were led they go up they they are enlightened by it they paradigm change they become rational model things they become really peacemakers they become honest people but those who are not witness and establishment who they are in their own

## Cite

Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment ZmIrskjob4o/s/16. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/zmirskjob4o/s/16/

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