# Was the story of Musa and al-Khidr a dream?

*The journey happened in a vision after Musa fell asleep*

- URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/yy74xfro_e4/s/3/
- Date: 2019-01-14 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Who Was Khidr (a.s.)? -Mufti Abu Layth (8:22–14:02)
- Status: general teaching
- Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy74XfRo_E4&t=502s
- Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/yy74xfro_e4/

**Topics:** Moses; How to read the Quran; Dreams and visions

**Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth reads everything after Musa and his companion fell asleep at the rock as a vision, which explains its strange details. Scholars who read it literally struggled to explain them.

**Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth says that he feels earlier scholars overlooked that everything after Musa and his companion fell asleep at the rock happened in a vision.

**Evidence, his words at 8:22:** “the rest of everything that happens happens whilst they were asleep it was a vision” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy74XfRo_E4&t=502s)

## Longer summary

Mufti Abu Layth says that a point overlooked by earlier scholars is that Musa and Yusha lay down to sleep at the rock, and that everything after that happened in a dream or vision from which they never emerged. He reads the strange behaviour of the fish, the water standing around its path, the ground turning green where al-Khidr sat, and their sudden appearance on a boat as signs of a vision. He notes that the salaf asked why the people on the boat let al-Khidr damage it, and that some, such as Abu al-Aliya [?], said he was invisible to them. He then retells the killing of the boy, the repair of the wall in the inhospitable village, Musa's suggestion that they should have charged for the work, their parting, and al-Khidr's explanations of the boy, the ship and the king who seized every ship. He says the scholars who took the story literally got stuck explaining it.

## Sources and names cited

- Musa (Moses)
- Yusha ibn Nun (Joshua)
- al-Khidr
- Quran 18:60-82 (Musa and the servant of Allah): https://quran.com/18/60-82
- Abu al-Aliya [?]
- salaf

## Transcript (machine tier, 8:22–14:02)

[7:43] majima al-bahrain at a particular location with the two seas unite he is more knowledgeable than you so so he sets about on this journey he's told to take a fish with him and carry it so they go on they set off one palakollu would be fatter who so he's you shall I burn and moon so Joshua I mentioned inside Buhari his companions name is Joshua hatela Atia Sakura until they reached this big boulder this big rock what the ARA osama they placed their heads down they lay their heads phenomen

[8:22] they go to sleep now this is a really interesting point why because this is where a lot of I feel the scholars in the past for whatever reasons overlooked this the rest of everything that happens happens whilst they were asleep it was a vision right so this thing of them going to sleep here as it mentions and he alludes to in the Quran that they go to this place then this Joshua sees that the fish

[8:56] takes a unique it takes a unique path into the sea as the verse of the quran mentions the he says look Fattah Hadassah Bela who feel very sorrowful and then Moses says to him as they set off then they get up and they walk off and then later Moses says to him I'm hungry where's that fish and he says oh but the fish it jumped into the sea but it went in such a strange way he kind of emerged and and the reason it was doing this is all this was a vision they never emerged from that sleep this the rest of

[9:35] everything that happens happens in a dream in a vision right so he goes and and they say oh really is that way that lets go back to that place and they can see that this fish the Morpher serene say that the water around it is like so as it's kind of taking it's kind of unique path into the sea the water around it is making a formation the waters kind of standing up around it it's keeping itself it's from collapsing and it's really strange so they like what is this about and then they they find this person Heather and in certain

[10:13] stories that he will wherever he sits the lamb turns green and that's because this is all a vision it's happening within a vision hence you see that look all of a sudden you will find that they then as they carry on that all of a sudden they're up on a boat so many of the seller discussed how well how was Heather on this boat puncturing creating a hole in this boat so it can drown so what he does is he he damages this boat so it will it will start to sink and

[10:50] because it's damaged the person that was about to kind of rob the boat will let it be but the question that the selleth asked is when he was damaging this boat the people on the boat they weren't blind I mean if you're on a boat and somebody is damaged why did they let him do this so a bool earlier from the cell earth and other people they said that's because he was invisible to them you see now this is the thing and then all of a sudden they no longer on this boat and then they're traveling and they see this boy and he

[11:27] murders this bully and moosa aleihsalaam says to him God you know Jetta Shaitan look at the war on earth have you done a cattle turn ifs and Zakia be ready enough that you murdered a an innocent soul so the prophet Moses is condemning what he's done and he says to him look you I told you you can't be patient and then they go and they find a wall all of a sudden they're at a town where this wall is dilapidating and and Heather fixes rectifies this wall and he fixes it and he asks Moses and then Moses says to him look why didn't you take these

[12:06] people of this village were rude to us they didn't even offer us because in that day and age there was like a global custom or especially in that regional custom that when you went past a village if there were strangers you would offer them food or water that was a custom but these people ignored Moses and Heather they completely blanked them and yet Heather fixes their wall and does work for them and so Moses says to him why didn't you at least charge them for this we should have taken something from them we worked we gave labor to them so and then at this stage Heather says that she

[12:46] had a fair aku he says had this is had a falafel be neewa Banach this is it we now this it all ends here you go your way I go my way now the question is how were they shifting from all these paradigms and then he tells Moses that ok I'll tell you what I was doing that that child was gonna cause great harm and Allah was gonna replace that child with another child and that ship was gonna get robbed in these things and so on and so forth the ship that there was a king Kanna what Oh Malik ooh Yahoo the coolest finit in

[13:23] a hospital every ship now the reason for this was that you see the reason for all of this was that there was a moral now that a lot of the scholars in the past took this as a literal kind of reading now when they took it as a literal reading they kind of got stuck because now they had to explain a lot of what was going on so they had to say first of all who was they that so this became a question so now when they said okay who was cleared on some of them said well

[14:01] first of all was he a prophet so this became the first kind of debate so many people said that oh and this once again you're gonna get a hell of a lot of debate and discussion going on here so you you're gonna have scholars that say okay he was a prophet for Taylor in the Hobby then they say was he a prophet sent to the people or he wasn't sent to any people so they disagree once again you're gonna get people like ignore Josey coming from the seller even Arbus there's the transmission from him from what happened I'm gonna be they said he

## Cite

Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment yy74XfRo_E4/s/3. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/yy74xfro_e4/s/3/

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