# Ibn Hajar and Ibn Rushayd on the transmissions: Farabri alone, found copies not taught

- URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/x6sffyrljey/s/12/
- Date: 2018-08-30 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: BukhariGate Part 1: Sahih Bukhari is NOT so Sahih -Mufti Abu Layth (1:10:18–1:16:51)
- Status: general teaching
- Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6SfFYRljeY&t=4218s
- Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/x6sffyrljey/

**Topics:** Sahih al-Bukhari (BukhariGate); Hadith collections and their history

**Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Ibn Hajar and Ibn Rushayd both record that Farabri's is the only transmission that reached later generations through teaching. Copies found centuries later cannot be taught from, so claims of independent connected transmissions are not honest.

**Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth says the only transmission of Sahih al-Bukhari that reached later generations through teaching is Farabri's, and that copies found without teaching cannot be used to claim an independent connected transmission.

**Evidence, his words at 1:13:24:** “so all these people online trying to say we've got transmissions that are connected look this is the problem they're not being honest” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6SfFYRljeY&t=4404s)

## Longer summary

Mufti Abu Layth reads from Ibn Hajar's introduction to Fath al-Bari, which lists the transmissions of the Sahih and says Nasafi's copy was found and used for support but not taught, while the transmission that reached people through teaching and listening was Farabri's. He then reads an Andalusian scholar of the eighth century, Ibn Rushayd [?], who defends Farabri and, Mufti says, misrepresents the facts by claiming the copy was relied on for its perfection and that Farabri had Bukhari's own manuscript, yet admits on pages seventeen and eighteen that Farabri became the sole transmitter. He says those online who claim connected alternative transmissions are not being honest: a copy found centuries later, wijada, is not teaching, and Ibn Rushayd's pages of chains all go back to Farabri, whose copy itself lacked part of the book of judgements. He adds that a classical work [?] on page forty-nine records a consensus that one may not teach hadith from a found manuscript, however reliable its writer, because one cannot know they are the Prophet's words. He closes by asking why nobody who knew Farabri, a contemporary of Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud, Nasa'i and Ibn Khuzayma, ever declared him reliable.

## Sources and names cited

- Sahih al-Bukhari
- Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani
- Fath al-Bari
- Ibn Rushayd [?]
- Muhammad ibn Yusuf al-Farabri
- Ibrahim ibn Ma'qil al-Nasafi [?]
- wijada (a found manuscript)
- sama' (transmission by hearing)

## Transcript (machine tier, 1:10:18–1:16:51)

[1:10:15] in his introduction to fatalbari had you sari okay he writes he's going through all the transmissions of bukhari that reach him so he mentions look what ibrahimovic right okay so he says a piece of it is missing but okay fine he says

[1:10:48] of this as in we found it and people transmitted but not through teaching people were working from it was something that was found that they kind of used at times for additional maybe complementary support but it wasn't as reliable now look he says that reaches us with actual teaching listening to so you know all these people online saying we've got all these different no you have listen listen the

[1:11:28] transmission that comes through teaching that people actually relied on in these ages and those ages before us this is declaring that but wait why take his word for it this right this is an andalusia scholar who once again from the 8th century 700s who's very trying to go going out of his way to justify for abri

[1:12:05] and sahil bukhari in fact he even misrepresents the truth now he states this is from him in his book which is in print he says look and this is you've got this on page 18 of his book that the the the copy we have of bukhari with continuous teaching

[1:12:45] now he says because of its perfection but that's not true but that's just because that's the one they actually had he also goes on to misrepresent facts by saying he claims that he had a copy of imam bukhari's actual work and that's not true and i'll show that in a moment but that's his actual now in another on another page he also highlights he says [Music] despite many people transmitting bukhari farabri is the only one who has its

[1:13:24] transmission and he says look hattan until he became that's on page 17 he became the sole transmitter of bukhari so all these people online trying to say we've got transmissions that are connected look this is the problem they're not being honest they yes there may be books that were found they may be books that they gave but that was like wijada that was like because remember he has to reach from them to us not just from them maybe ibn michael's books

[1:14:02] maybe something from ibn shakir did reach people a few generations after him and a few generations after them but the point is it definitely didn't even reach ibn which is hundreds of years ago six seven or six hundred years ago at least you're looking at now and it definitely didn't reach us so we have to be honest about this and even look this is before that called now he claims in his time some people and he's much before uh much before uh what is it he claims that uh the rewire that we have

[1:14:40] today uh he says that there is some parts of nasa fees that's ibrahimovic thing floating around but the main thing is from uh alfa robery and i'll show where he he gives all these rewired he gives all these chains pages on end this is from his all pages on end going back to fabri from so many different students which by the way the manuscripts will vary but they're going back to uh

[1:15:23] [Music] wasn't complete it missed a certain part from kitab akam um he got that from safe after that to the end it was not in his book um and then he mentioned there's some hadith in there from hero or there so this is uh and then he mentions on page 63

[1:16:00] and this is really what most of everything is from and he like i said he spends uh and then he says there's some parts that have reached us from uh ibrahimovic and like i said he said the incomplete within generations after him is ibn rushed who lives in spain says it definitely doesn't reach him or even says it doesn't reach them except not with teaching anyway not with sama okay now you might say well is that really an issue look now this is called the odd in his book saying

[1:16:39] hadith that they've disagreed with the hadith if you find a book that is certain like it's written by the handwriting of an imam a thicker a reliable person or it's an manuscript can you use it look at this this is page 49 [Music] with their consensus

## Cite

Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment X6SfFYRljeY/s/12. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/x6sffyrljey/s/12/

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