# Is making group dua after every salah a bid'ah?

*The Hanafi and Shafi'i view: recommended acts under broad guidelines*

- URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/wirt3dxsvd8/s/3/
- Date: 2015-03-03 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Innovation in Islam? | Mufti Abu Layth alMaliki (6:26–12:51)
- Status: general teaching
- Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIrT3DXSvd8&t=386s
- Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/wirt3dxsvd8/

**Topics:** Legal theory and method; The Hanafi school and Imam Abu Hanifa

**Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Group dua after every prayer is not from the Sunnah; the Hanafis and Shafi'is count such acts as recommended under general commands to do good, while the other side sees a new practice.

**Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth says that making dua together in congregation after every prayer is categorically not from the Sunnah.

**Evidence, his words at 9:38:** “for everybody after Salah to make a dying congregation not this action as an example if I was to use as an example is categorically not from the Sun” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIrT3DXSvd8&t=578s)

## Longer summary

Mufti Abu Layth says the other group, Abu Hanifa, al-Shafi'i and their followers, allow for good bid'ah: al-Shafi'i is reported to define the term, and while Abu Hanifa does not comment directly, his fatwas cater for practices the Prophet and the salaf did not do but which fall under general sanctioned guidelines, so that they may even be encouraged. He explains that the Hanafis have a recommended (mustahab) category beyond the emphasised and non-emphasised Sunnah, a category that does not exist in Maliki fiqh, where anything recommended is a non-emphasised Sunnah. As an example he says congregational dua with raised hands after every prayer is categorically not from the Sunnah, stressing he is relaying facts and not attacking anyone, and explains that its proponents combine the command to do good with the verse on helping one another in goodness. The objection of the other group, he says, is that combining the two produces a new practice the Messenger never taught.

## Sources and names cited

- Abu Hanifa
- al-Shafi'i
- bid'ah (innovation in religion)
- mandub (recommended; mustahab)
- sunnah
- dua
- Quran 5:2 (help one another in goodness): https://quran.com/5/2

## Transcript (machine tier, 6:26–12:51)

[5:47] school which was took a very harsh stance if you like traditionally on dismissing any form of innovation and I'm like I mentioned I mean the you can find this for example a very early source will be in ignore Abbas book which he transmits with chains going back to Imam Malik all these rulings where he discusses many of these things about padilla about innovations he provides chains he himself was a maja did also bucket or two she provides references and chains going back you could actually look at the individual

[6:25] Fatah WA of Imam Malik in the mood of wanna or in the other books like the noir there was yet that that have been transmitted you just have to look up the Messiah ill which are points of controversy these matters and you can see in my Malik's attitude towards them now in the other group you have the likes of imam abu hanifa Imam Shafi'i and their subsequent followers they their understanding what comes through although they don't speak it is allegedly Imam Shafi it does speak on the term be that defining it as

[7:05] Alvida Abaddon but we're talking about the concept at a greater depth imam abu hanifa as far as I'm aware doesn't directly comment on it as in saying be the eyes of two types or anything like this however his Fatah WA seemed to cater for bida to hasanah so what that means is there are certain practices which although the Prophet Allah Islam did not do them nor did the selleth but because they fall under generic guidelines which are sanctioned within the theme and legitimate

[7:42] guidelines therefore the action should be also legitimized that that is the debate and I'll come back to the debate in a moment and give it you know some more detail right so in an imam abu hanifa imam shafi'i they feel that these things are there definitely they feel that they not necessarily macro in fact they may be encouraged so you will find that the category of mustahab within the hanafi madhhab many of the things and I'm not necessarily saying everything but there are certain things within the Muslim

[8:19] category that fall as mustahab that they are recommended to do but they are not sooner so you will see that the Hanafi a divide the categories from Sunnah Muraki desana rare marker dad anon the emphatic son and the non emphatic it will not emphasize Sonnen and then they have recommended now this category totally does not even exist in the Maliki world of faith in the Maliki world effects anything recommended is the sooner a marketer so you've got the son named

[8:59] after the emphasized Sumner and then you've got a recommended category that is the red marker they according to the manicure now according to the Hannah fear you have the son another regular some the one-off son and then you have a recommended action the question here is how does the action become recommended if it's not from the saamne because if it was from the Sunda even a one-off son then should it not fall under the pseudonym red marker that category and that's because there are many of these evidences that are not necessarily from the Sunnah but they feel that they fall under broad guidelines which are good so

[9:38] Allah says you know if I don't hate that do good and a loss is what the Avenue a little better that come together on goodness so based on these they have produced certain rulings like let's say - for everybody after Salah to make a dying congregation not this action as an example if I was to use as an example is categorically not from the Sun now I mean the proselytism never practiced things like that neither did the companion in general Anna and I don't when I'm saying this I'm being very I am trying to be as objective as possible in

[10:17] defining the fact so this is an a an attack or a criticism towards anybody that practices these things I'm trying to tell you so I mean just in case somebody's feeling an urge to almost critique me or criticize me I'm just simply relaying the facts that's all I'm doing right that this was not I mean I'm you know somebody might try to show you a a narration from somewhere that the processor Addison did somehow somebody did some - I honor the people raised there and we're not talking about isolated examples we're talking about a

[10:55] practice the Salah would take place five times a day in the Masjid of the prophet of Allah Islam the process and we'll never make a custom of raising his hands after do on - Salaam people raising them in fact the hadith intermedia is that the proselytism would immediately leave mostly sometimes he would sit and talk but there wasn't this practice now this is seen as any recommended practice the reason being is that people feel that this falls under like this group of people let's say al imam abu hanifa Ramallah and other people like from the Scheffer yeah they will say well this fault and/or we know the eyes a good

[11:35] thing and we know that the we are encouraged to do this a broad guideline that what the our know a little bit so the DA is from Bill is from goodness doing good actions now law says collectively help each other to do good actions like in in a group type of mind so now we put these two together and we have a net result of we should make the are together in a collective manner the only problem with this from the other group is that they will say well this is

[12:12] not actually from the Sunnah you see The Messenger of Allah never actually taught us this now we understand your argument of putting these two things separately together however bringing them keeping them separate they may have they end up in the individual virtue bringing them together however you have a new net result which was a practice that is new so this is to give you the background to the debate okay so you now have some understanding that this is where the debate the angle is coming from now you

## Cite

Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment WIrT3DXSvd8/s/3. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/wirt3dxsvd8/s/3/

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