# Is there an order and coherence to the surahs of the Quran? *Farahi's school and the coherence (nazm) of the Quran: paired surahs* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/wce73zqci_i/s/5/ - Date: 2020-07-10 · Kind: discussion · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Shaykh Omar Baloch | Cynicism, Consumerism & the Catch 22 of Riba | Mindtrap with Mufti #30 (14:32–21:36) - Status: a view quoted in order to be discussed, not a position held - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCe73zqCi_I&t=872s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/wce73zqci_i/ **Topics:** How to read the Quran; Scholars and imams of the past **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth and the guest trace Farahi's school of Quranic coherence, which the guest illustrates with surahs that come in pairs. ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth explains that within a madhhab there are sub-schools, and describes the subcontinental school of Hamiduddin Farahi, of the late 1800s, which refocused on the Quran and its coherent nature and influenced Amin Ahsan Islahi, Javed Ahmad Ghamidi, the guest and Imran Hosein in different ways. The guest says Farahi was answering Orientalists who claimed the Quran had no order, notes that al-Suyuti had recorded both opinions on whether it has coherence, and says Farahi made demonstrating it his life's mission. The guest illustrates the idea that every surah has a pair: al-Isra and al-Kahf, which open with praise of God for His servant and are of similar length, and al-Rahman and al-Waqi'a, where what one begins with the other ends with. The guest adds that al-Baqarah speaks to a Jewish, historical way of thinking and Al Imran to a Christian way of thinking through parables, such as the likeness of Jesus being that of Adam. Mufti calls it an amazing insight and says this coherence is the key theme of Islahi's Tadabbur-i-Quran. ## Sources and names cited - Shaykh Omar Baloch - Hamiduddin Farahi - Amin Ahsan Islahi - Javed Ahmad Ghamidi - Imran Hosein - al-Suyuti - Tadabbur-i-Quran - nazm (coherence of the Quran) - Quran 17:1: https://quran.com/17/1 - Quran 18:1: https://quran.com/18/1 - Quran 3:59: https://quran.com/3/59 ## Transcript (machine tier, 14:32–21:36) [13:56] Ayman told she come around saying not to discuss certain topics Big John was one of them Wow sames opinion which is correct I think it was wrong in a sense I love both of them but you know you cannot put a a ban on knowledge per se right just from a general perspective of course but but he just could not understand how Sheikh Imran is thinking on certain topics and this was one of those he because even though it had reached the same conclusions which is [14:32] funny but he used a dr. sermon had a very foggy you know Mona put on his method of understanding the world around him and so that approach was very different from Sheikh Imran Hosein okay and because because this is something that you see people may not be familiar with that there's a whole a sub school within which if I holy a mother Assad you know some of the scholars they distinguish between you have a method and then within a method you have Medeiros you have mattresses like these sub schools [15:11] it's an IND like an Indian or sub-continental sub school of Cher home Ilana Hamidah Dean Ferrari who is from the late 1800s and I believe he passed his way early 1900s and he is somebody who really kind of brings to life this thing of we need to refocus on the Quran and this thing of this concept of nothing the coherent nature of the Quran and this goes on to influence so many people including it trickles down me through mallanna I mean Asin slaw [15:49] he's through to the doctor are through to Javed Hamid ISA through to yourself through to Imran who saying all who seem to have a quite a different flavor in the end it's quite I find that very fascinating but that that is one of the things because this is something new it will come out with different flavours a good point and and so this is you know but the idea for mon-fri he was basically you know the Orientalists were now beginning to write books and criticize the Quran and one of the criticisms was your Quran doesn't seem to have any nessam there doesn't seem to [16:28] be any it doesn't read like a rational book and so the question was does the book have a rationale behind it now Imam so UT had written on this issue in his it's odd to some degree but he had given you know both opinions that yes it does have a coherence and the others said no no it doesn't need a coherence right but one of Rakhi when he he take he took this honest like his lifetime mission literally and and and you know he wrote many books but he basically said here it is this is the coherence and it starts with at the basic level that every surah [17:07] has pears every other than a few likes religious to be a scene they don't have pears but I just like look Akuma's Raja is that where we going oh okay okay like maybe two blaring or three blaring again go for it your audience can appreciate so it's nice to God sort of talk on allah subhan and is he a Swabia be the one who took his servant up so the cop starts with that hamdulillah the Unzen are lovely then you have the length of both of the swirls are almost the same then you have the sudras ending which [17:47] Bonnie's right ending with : hamdulillah the Lamia his wallet of Allah meeya Kailash arica milk well a miracle in a voluminous then alhamdulillah there then you have the boats whereas ending with oil and coal two points on both sides over there pull pull pull doodle-oo over the rock man I am a tad off and I will smell loose now over there's cool oh can I borrow me da de Cali melting or : Anna Anna Machado miss Lu come you Hal a so these kind of like similarities subhanAllah hummed in de the topics being very similar to one another right so this kind of like how did these two [18:26] suitors fit the same thing you find for example in to terminus to do out there okay what man starts with ends with with non ends with Slovakia starts with so for example sternman ends with the highest people in paradise so that starts with Assad Kuna said it wouldn't right starts with their man starts with the creation and and all of that and it's before that it starts with Quran so Slovakia starts about the creation and then the Quran right and over there one thing is extended more the other is [19:04] extended in the is dramatics few four verses about Quran basically a Roman Quran so in Santa Maria and then how these connect with the way it connects with from philosophy movie morality in dodging in now ksama know them you know them in now Lepore almond cream so and and they're part before this is talking about the technique of allah the creation of allah but they're very similar to us they're like a duplex what one starts with the other ends with what one ends with the other starts with so this kind of like understanding the pairings of the surahs throughout the quran and still under a very good [19:43] example okay so the baccarat is talking mostly to do Jewish communities so Ali Imran is talking was in the Christian community Jewish way of thinking which is basically a academics and even Islamic studies of Islamic studies in the modern world I mean in Indian in the current context is basically studying of history right from the academic perspective well Oracle so buckler takes a very Jewish persuade of thinking a very historical way of thinking right okay for you and you did this and we did this since we gave you this and this happened and this happened right what is what is what is wave right yeah this style and [20:21] when it comes to Ron it's it's totally according to the Christian way of thinking which is parable right nothing to add and Adam the example of Adam is like example of sorry the example of Issa is like the example of Adam this is exactly the parables that that way of talking the parable you know that's what I you might find this interesting one of the things I found about like sheikh zayed night after studying christianity he literally everything he explains is by examples right form of assembly in the form of a metaphor in the that I mean because that's how the Bible is you know everything is about [20:59] Jesus parables and so the Quran when it was talking appreciate the brother has made a beautiful point you know when you study a certain engineer than you that's amazing insight and this this whole thing of the norm the coherence this is something in is is this really the the key theme of the double Quran by Milani slaw he saw it's right has be an old Quran in which he discusses this awry I ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment wCe73zqCi_I/s/5. 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