# Did Imam Malik say that Jesus died?

*Mufti Abu Layth replies to a critic on Jesus's death and Imam Malik*

- URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/w6tqwuuumcg/s/31/
- Date: 2020-10-27 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Monday Nights with Mufti #188 | Q&A Unscripted & Unrestricted! 😉 | Mufti Abu Layth (3:00:20–3:11:27)
- Status: general teaching
- Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6TqWuUumCg&t=10820s
- Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/w6tqwuuumcg/

**Topics:** The second coming of Jesus; The Maliki school; Responses to critics

**Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth says there is no Quranic verse on a second coming and that the Imam Malik report of Jesus's death is in a reliable Maliki source.

## Longer summary

Mufti Abu Layth plays a clip in which the maulana says the descent of Jesus is narrated by tawatur and that the opinion attributed to Imam Malik that Jesus died comes from an unreliable third-tier Maliki book transmitted through al-Bayan [?]. Mufti replies that there is no verse in the Quran that says there will be a second coming, offering to discuss it live, and says the early Hanafis were wary of Abu Hurayra's hadith. He holds up the Jami' of Ibn Yunus, which he calls a major reliable Maliki text that Khalil drew on, says it quotes Imam Malik that Jesus died at thirty-three, and adds that Ibn Rushd al-Jadd [?] is reliable. Mufti says the maulana is not well read, challenges him and other critics to debate any topic in the Maliki school, and says he responds only when people speak against him.

## Sources and names cited

- Jesus (Isa)
- Imam Malik
- tawatur
- al-Bayan wa al-Tahsil [?]
- Ibn Rushd al-Jadd [?]
- Ibn Yunus al-Siqilli
- al-Jami' of Ibn Yunus
- Khalil ibn Ishaq
- Abu Hurayra
- Hanafi

## Transcript (machine tier, 3:00:20–3:11:27)

[3:00:19] that that the return of Isaam his descent from the heavens before the end of time is uh is narrated by Tawat is narrated by Tawat and uh you know this is also not to beat a dead horse but uh uh our acquaintance from uh our acquaintance from Birmingham is very fond of mentioning an opinion uh uh that yours truly The is a a third tier book of Maliki fatwa which basically survived and transmitted to us mainly through the bay

[3:00:58] and of that it's mentioned that I imal considered that died um and that book is not a a book that is even a reliable book of Maliki fatwa the burden of proof for the burden of proof for establishing is far greater greater than the burden of proof for establishing. Uh and so all it is is nitpicking, random narrations and cherrypicking them and trying to kind of make your own uh make your own conclusions uh uh based on cherry-picking which is important.

[3:01:34] This is like an important you know side thing to to remember. Not every difference of opinion is a difference of opinion that is respected in the only the one that's built on some sort of proof and some sort of otherwise people have differences of opinion about all sorts of things is coming back as to whether the's cover should be black or it should be a different color.

[3:01:58] One can have a discussion as to what the best way can have a discussion as to what anyway [laughter] that's like a to pray your after the but no one can truly in earnest suggest that the uh you know that thea is you know in point Indiana why because there's just too much evidence that comes together to corroborate that [laughter]

[3:02:25] [gasps] was anybody I was distracted for the first part. I was distracted by the saga mark which was over there. I just didn't know how does one do sa over there and I don't get it. Do you do you how you you haramies? I'm being genuine. I'm honestly trying to figure that out. Let me get that to [laughter] Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[3:02:51] And this isn't the first time that huzur beloved beloved has said uh spoken about me but just a quick point there it's mut said otherwise abd who was his [laughter] you know abdar the dawn legend of malim who we write and love what does he say in is

[3:03:25] it's he does not say it's okay he says so the the point is that the thing by the way a little quick point I offer him or any a dialogue on this anyone they if it's this easy he goes on saying we've about so many hadith and we can prove it like this and we can prove it like that.

[3:03:53] It's unquestionable. It's clear in the Quran. He says there isn't a single verse in the Quran that says there's going to be a second coming. But even if there is, I'm happy to have that discussion. Come on live and we will have this discussion. There is no such verse in the Quran. Utter lying. Utter lying. These people are not a single verse in the Quran that says that they twist these words and they say this word here means this and this means this.

[3:04:21] Where does it say in the Quran? If such a big event what God forgot to tell you. Anyway, he says there's so much evidence. So much evidence. [laughter] I I think he's mixing evidence up with food. [laughter] I think he's mixing up with cupcakes. ayri cupcake right this is not [laughter]

[3:04:48] cupcake this is not there there are no ev and yes there are so many hadith that are transmitted by abuhura and I mentioned even the hanfi madhab said abuhura is a is a raw we have to be weary of this was the early hanafies before he got proper institutionalized just and these people they were on the ball they said that we put him a bit lower down with the companions. He's not from the learned companions.

[3:05:15] We have to be weary of his hadith. This is why they rejected a lot of his hadith. They said they go against reason. What we write, what would he know? Hamza, this, you know, Chudri cupcakes, he hasn't even read anything. He's not like a well-trained scholar. He just dresses like that to kind of cover up for himself, to make up for the shortcomings. This, check this out. I'll put this here.

[3:05:41] This the jam of ununas people which was known as the musaf of the Malikia the Quran of the Malikia was called in its day and age one of the major reliable texts that you can see right I've got it it's up there you won't be able to see it's off it's on the shelf above right this right the jam ofnunas he'd never heard of you know when he came to the UK and he was having this discussion he never even heard of it that's Like somebody saying, "I'm such a boxing sports fan, but I've never even heard of Mike Tyson.

[3:06:16] Never even heard of him." [laughter] Ah, Ununas is one of the four people from here who Khalil bases his on. I've never even heard of him. If you've read, he mentions mentions him in the How would have they read? These people have read baby.

[3:06:46] We haven't read. We've taught the what these people don't what do they you know I next week I'll speak about Masari him and Shad Masi they don't know jack about Malik. I openly challenge them. They can they want to discuss Malik. Discuss Malik with me. Discuss Malik with me.

[3:07:12] They go on about this mash thing. I open debate challenge the mash thing on the Malik. Debate me on it. None of them can debate me. that shi masi going on failed academic bloody can't secure himself any post of academia going on about me being a kafir I'll set I'll set aside a different masala segment for him any thing he wants on malik he can choose the topic call me to it we'll have a debate any single topic

[3:07:51] within malik he himself self is studying with Mashiah who my students are studying with Ashma and these baby baby texts which we taught years ago they're studying them now what do they know about Malik they haven't even read the in their lives I'm deciding when I should start teaching it [laughter]

[3:08:20] these people what do they know so anyway but coming back to this topic and he says oh the isn't a reliable thing the here I im Malik says he quotes him about Jesus and I've shown this before ma he died and he was 33 years of age but he says oh the is reliable is reliable al jud known as dada al jud means the granddad is he reliable He's only one of the four who relies on another one that

[3:08:57] you probably don't know. You you you obviously ununas you don't know who he is from the German is one of the people who Khalil relies on. He's one of the the daddy he's the granddaddy of the madhab. It took him over 20 years of his life to write this uh this major text in he was the the supreme judge of the Malikis in his day and age.

[3:09:31] Is he barking away? Did he not know? He didn't know what to include in his book. He's drafting the uh unreliable things and putting them in his book. What? What does he actually know? This This is the dumbness that these people come to.

[3:09:56] And this isn't the first time. You've got him here as well. And make him even famouser than he already is and even more glorious and more YouTube followers and more that none of that stuff bothers me. Inshallah. Inshallah. If he's using it for for Dean, it will be good for him in this world and in the hereafter as well. I have no problem with any of that. Even our friend the two-eyed dal from Birmingham, see two-eyed dal, you know, I [laughter] he would give all sorts of weird aberant fake positions.

[3:10:22] I never said anything. It's only when he started spouting the kufur uh in making in that is dead and he won't come back etc. Uh which is which is which is a far worse statement than what this individual made. Um even though both are bad and they're both in the same they seem to be progressing in the same uh line of badness but one is so there you can see not only in in these things calling me a kafir or calling this they're the two-eyed the [laughter] you you teasing me you you're teasing me so today he gives

[3:11:01] us much entertainment but He doesn't stop there. You see, Chri cupcake, [laughter] he goes further. He also shares with us uh in you know transcendent values of the art of love making.

[3:11:26] [laughter] No, I don't make this up. You know this our beloved speak about the love. What this one? Let's see. Let's see what Cupcake has to say. Right. So, you've got here for all of us. You mentioned that uh uh as kids they saw that the sheets, you know, had like a small slit in it and that uh those were the sheets that uh their grandmother showed them that that they used to use back in the day, the bed sheets.

## Cite

Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment w6TqWuUumCg/s/31. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/w6tqwuuumcg/s/31/

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