# Is the chain of the apostasy hadith through Anas reliable? *The chain through Anas: a narrator with Mu'tazili tendencies and Qatada's tadlis* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/vyawdwthpa4/s/9/ - Date: 2018-05-10 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Apostasy has NO punishment in Islam: A Qur'an & Sunnah Analysis by Mufti Abu Layth (35:16–39:14) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyAwDWTHPa4&t=2116s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/vyawdwthpa4/ **Topics:** Apostasy and blasphemy; Narrator criticism; Text criticism, reason and the Quran **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** The alternative chain of the apostasy hadith through Anas is also weak: it includes a narrator with Mu'tazili tendencies and Qatada, who is known for tadlis, and the report clashes with reason, the Quran and the Prophet's life. **Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth says the chain of the apostasy report through Anas is also problematic, because of a narrator with Mu'tazili tendencies and Qatada's known tadlis, and that the report clashes with reason, the Quran, the Prophet's life and the principles of Islam. **Evidence, his words at 38:35:** “the other thing is that it clearly clashes with all three it clashes with reason I slammed giving you freedom of belief a clashes with the established sources the Quran and the clear life of the Prophet” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyAwDWTHPa4&t=2315s) ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth takes the objection that the same narration is also transmitted, by al-Nasa'i in two narrations, through Anas, from whom Qatada narrates, with Abd al-Samad [?] later in the chain. He says this Abd al-Samad was described as having Mu'tazili tendencies, and argues that the Mu'tazila, often presented today as rationalists, were like the Khawarij extremists who called for rising against the state and held that a sinner has left Islam for an intermediate state, so a hadith supporting such teachings should be treated with great wariness; he reports gradings of this narrator ranging from problematic to reliable but making mistakes. He mentions another version through a narrator [?] he also describes as Mu'tazili, and says Qatada is known for frequent tadlis, dropping people from the chain, as several critics state. He concludes that the narration on apostasy is weak and clashes with reason, with Islam's freedom of belief, with the Quran and the clear life of the Prophet, and with the principles of Islam. ## Sources and names cited - report: whoever changes his religion kill him (man baddala dinahu faqtuluhu; unresolved, Sahih al-Bukhari and others, number not stated) - Anas ibn Malik - Qatada - Abd al-Samad [?] - Sunan al-Nasa'i - Mu'tazila - Khawarij - tadlis - a hadith must not contradict reason, the Quran and established Sunnah, or uproot a principle of Islam ## Transcript (machine tier, 35:16–39:14) [34:43] these in bodies come through a trauma in NASA is full narrations come through a trauma from Qatada from a trauma in abu dawood comes through a trauma Tirmidhi comes through a trauma as right these are all coming if no magic comes through a comb or a trauma right in another narration one of the narrations of imam ahmed for araçatuba whom in the same alley also burnt books now check this and look how they disparaging satan either of the law on that he was somebody aunty books aunty thoughts if you're gonna burn the books why not burn [35:22] the books of other religions Islam doesn't teach you to burn the books of religions so why would say nyla do this right okay but here somebody could say well hmm that's interesting but this narration AHA right this narration is also transmitted is also transmitted the same one right however through apparently ns transmits this that's interesting from him Qatada from him in Xiamen Nabi Abdullah from him up the summit [36:00] this is transmitted by Nasser in one in almost two of his narrations and the most of the back more than one that's interesting but let's take a look at these people first of all this up the summit in this chain people nasha Fe baton Motta's Ely had more otezla tendencies why are the martyrs in our problem the martyrs Allah our problem because they too like the Huaraz were extremists today people say the martyrs in our all about reason no they weren't they were extremists they were all about rising against the state they [36:38] declared anybody who committed a sin to have left Islam but to have been in a purgatory state and they used to speak about we need to rise against rise against the state rise against the state this supported their beliefs so if you ever see a hadith that teaches these kind of things you need to be incredibly weary and this up dose up the summit first of all was had Marta silly tendencies what does I would I would say about him that he has he's a problematic narrator yeah Tommy little team a baja team says [37:15] he's just okay if niger says in some narrations he's reliable from Sharper you've got--if know connie al-baghdadi he says he's somebody reliable who makes mistakes ok write another narration people bring the same one I'm talking about man but the ladina who from yama dust away he who was a martyrs again I'm not easily supporting his extremist tendencies people anybody supporting extremist tendencies massively problematic and then they say well kitada transmits this you say well [37:55] that's interesting patada transmits this from honest mmm first of all qatada is a mass is known for at least he so often blogs the chain right he drops people in between plays around with the transmission of chain this topper he says that he's from alerted lease and Hakeem says he's much more with that lease and Alami says his Kathy rooted lease if my band are put me in a Cell ll area they're happy is some idea Hodja even know how to feed all of these people say he was known for to [38:35] these people so why did I bring that to show that well people this narration is life life right this is to do with apostasy so you say well okay that's interesting hmm and that's the main narration that people use the other thing is that it clearly clashes with all three it clashes with reason I slammed giving you freedom of belief a clashes with the established sources the Quran and the clear life of the Prophet and with ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment VyAwDWTHPa4/s/9. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/vyawdwthpa4/s/9/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. 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