# Why do critics refuse to debate the authenticity of Sahih al-Bukhari? *The challenge to debate Sahih al-Bukhari's authenticity and Jonathan Brown's withdrawal* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/v-1hd1uambm/s/1/ - Date: 2020-10-20 · Kind: discussion · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Why people run from the Bukhari debate? | Mufti Abu Layth (0:00–3:59) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-1HD1uAMBM&t=0s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/v-1hd1uambm/ **Topics:** Sahih al-Bukhari (BukhariGate); Debate challenges and reviews; Guest conversations **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Critics who say Mufti Abu Layth knows nothing about Sahih al-Bukhari decline his invitation to debate it, and Jonathan Brown admitted on Facebook that he lacked the research. Mufti says al-Farabri's reliability can only be asserted from sources centuries later, not from anyone who knew him. ## Longer summary Joining mid-conversation, Mufti Abu Layth recounts inviting a critic who wanted to discuss Sahih al-Bukhari to come on his MindTrap show and prove its authenticity, reasoning that if the critic believes Mufti does not know what he is talking about, it should be easy to defeat him in conversation. The guest remarks that the critic seems reluctant to appear on Mufti's show and suggests a neutral platform. Mufti replies that he is not going to attack, harm or swear at anyone, that the critic can disconnect at any point, and that in forty episodes of MindTrap he has never behaved that way, whereas the critic publicly wrote on Twitter that he would humiliate him. He compares this with Jonathan Brown, who, he says, tried to challenge him and then honestly stated on Facebook that he lacked the knowledge and research to speak about Sahih al-Bukhari in that way and so could not accept the dialogue. He says such people see a man with a chain, an earring and a goatee and assume he knows nothing, and recounts Brown saying he had got a scholar's name wrong, to which he replied with a screenshot that fourteen scholars share that name and the one he meant was from Tunis rather than the Maghrib [?]. On the manuscripts, he mentions the Yunini [?] and other recensions, says he has a whole BukhariGate video, and repeats that all anyone need do is prove al-Farabri reliable from a book, but that this can only be done from people who came hundreds of years later, not from anyone who actually knew him. ## Sources and names cited - Sahih al-Bukhari - Jonathan Brown - Muhammad ibn Yusuf al-Farabri - Sharaf al-Din al-Yunini [?] ## Transcript (machine tier, 0:00–3:59) [0:00] have a discussion you know he wanted to discuss sahil bukhari i i wanted to discuss sahil bukhari i said look let's discuss it because you worship sahil bukhari right let's let's talk about its authenticity you proved to me to be authentic right and let's have that discussion you you feel that since i don't know what i'm talking about it should be easy like come on like if you say to me or mufti i want to talk about the mother but you think well he doesn't know or i think look you don't know much about it should be easy to have you know to just destroy you in a conversation because i know that i clearly would know all these things so similarly he claims that i don't know what i'm [0:39] talking about on bukhari i said let's come on mine trap let's have a a chat let's do this yeah i mean he's being too heavy about coming on to your show maybe if you guys have like on a neutral platform what is this i'm not going to attack him you know i don't know literally i'm not going to slap him am i like i'm not going to attack him i'm not going to harm him at any point he can come on and say a disclaimer that if i feel you're going to do this i'll disconnect he just has to press that button disconnect and he's off like what what's the i'm a child he's publicly written you're a child [1:18] i will humiliate you this is on his twitter account it's the look what's i'm not gonna i guarantee i'm not gonna start swearing at him am i he's not going to come on there i'm going to effing blimey blah blah blah he knows he knows i'm not going to do any of that i've done 40 episodes of mind trap i've never done that with anyone you come on you prove to me i will let you talk and you to tell me how prove to me sahil bukhari the truth is this it's like jonathan brown he tried to challenge me and then he publicly had to state the truth he said that the in all honesty i'm under skilled in this i i don't have the knowledge or the research to be able to speak about sal buhari [1:58] like that that's why i can't accept your dialogue on it at least jonathan brown was being honest he said that on facebook because he publicly decided to attack me you know one of the problems these people i'll tell you what it is look these people look at me and they see some guy sitting there you know he's got a chain he's got an earring he's got this goatee spikey here what would this guy possibly know so they it gives them this false this kind of folks hope that they can go out and just say something so it's like jonathan brown came out and said ah you know must you [2:39] he got his name wrong and then i was like so i i took a screenshot of the actual of the and i put it on facebook i said it is punnani but just because i said there's actually 14 different scholars that share that name and the ones you're referring to are linked with the from the maghrib and this is from tunis it's banana but you didn't know that did you you just assumed i wouldn't know so i said to him that because he kept saying i don't know what i'm talking about about sahil bukhari and when i said about the manuscripts and i said all these things and [3:18] you know the whether it was the sultana or whether it was younini or whether it was all of these they said oh he doesn't know what he's talking about uh mufti doesn't know so i thought okay i said come on let's have a dialogue and when i started sharing my information and i've got a whole hearty gate video i say prove to me go on how difficult is it to prove to me ferrari is authentic just show it in a book and job done i shall right so but you can't do it you can't do it from somebody who actually knew february you can't do it you can only do it from people who come hundreds of years later right so so it's easy to shut me up to [3:57] show me that i'm wrong now then he at least okay the decency he had is because so many people pestered jonathan brown on his facebook post saying look why don't you just have a dialogue with multiple leads then he openly on his post said look the truth is i don't have the research in this field so take it but these other people like you know gangutili and these people they the truth is they're not skilled in this they just know how to debate shia they just know how to quote stuff and argue with the shia and okay the shia thing is not my special like if you ask me ## 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