# Don't madrasas expel students for sexual abuse?

*Pushback: madrasas expel abusers; why abuse responses have changed*

- URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/tr4-gh0qez4/s/19/
- Date: 2020-08-04 · Kind: question · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Monday Nights with Mufti Abu Layth #176 *Q&A Unscripted & Unrestricted!* 🤣 (1:30:19–1:33:13)
- Status: general teaching
- Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR4-gh0qEZ4&t=5419s
- Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/tr4-gh0qez4/

**Topics:** Cults, clergy and religious abuse; Education, madrasas and seminaries

**Question as asked:** Madrasas are strict on this issue and have zero tolerance; students have been expelled for these acts. Is that not the case?

**Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth says madrasas now respond to abuse claims more because they fear the police and the press than from conviction.

**Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth says he thinks madrasa teachers' heightened response to sexual abuse in recent years comes from worry about trouble with the police, not personal conviction.

**Evidence, his words at 1:31:30:** “they're worried they will get into trouble with the police. It's not because of their personal conviction.” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR4-gh0qEZ4&t=5490s)

## Longer summary

A viewer objects that madrasas are strict on sexual abuse and expel students for it. Mufti Abu Layth replies that he had said there is now a culture of clamping down in the UK and that his stories were mostly about abroad. Mufti says he thinks the teachers' heightened response in recent years comes from fear of the police, of being shut down and of the press, not from personal conviction, compared with the outrage at a shaved beard. Answering a further comment, Mufti remarks on the irony that some mullas are harshest against homosexuals, likening it to homophobes in psychology who were hidden in the closet.

## Sources and names cited

- madrasa

## Transcript (machine tier, 1:30:19–1:33:13)

[1:29:59] You're doing it. You're doing it. So, what is going down people? What is going down? When you going to debate, ass [laughter] wars are back on people.

[1:30:19] I don't know if you noticed that the uh I've personally been to students being expelled from Madrasa for these filthy acts. Madras are strict on this issue and zero tolerance. Yeah. I mean uh Sakib Khan just saying you know the point you made about the Islamic institutes for not showing interest in sexual harassment. Um he's you see I did say I did say that uh that there is now a culture here for clamping down.

[1:30:50] So it's I did state that that it's less so here although I think it still exists but less so I did say that and most of what I was saying was abroad but it does still happen here maybe less so now I said with the culture kind of developing so yeah I wasn't saying what you know my stories of how the teachers were abusing was not about here so but here as well I do think that in all honesty, if I'm going to be honest, I think the teachers attitude towards sexual abuse in recent years has only become heightened because

[1:31:30] they're worried they will get into trouble with the police. It's not because of their personal conviction. They would be much more exacerbated if somebody like the example I gave shave their beard off. They would be on it. [laughter] But the reason they do now respond to some of the these kind of claims of sexual abuse, not so much because they are that riled up and angry at the the thing.

[1:31:57] It's because they fear that oh my god we might get shut down you know the police will investigate us and the press will investigate. So it's more an external pressure. But I agree I did state then as well. How are they against gays? Khadim Razi says and so much yet the [laughter] it is true you know it's it's interesting isn't it that the moolas are the harshest sometimes against homosexuals but ironically they seem to have a very

[1:32:36] especially I'm talking about in that part of the world uh a very kind of um a uh [laughter] a bisexual past one may they but yeah so that's but that's the thing isn't it that's you know in psychology you see that quite a bit I mean Edgar Hoover and these people who are known homophobes yet hidden closet kind of um yeah so people let's move on to this um all right let me share this with you folks I came across this on social media this as you can see here was a picture

## Cite

Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment TR4-gh0qEZ4/s/19. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/tr4-gh0qez4/s/19/

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