# What problems does Mufti Abu Layth find in the Sahih Muslim chains for Jesus's return? *The second Bukhari chain and the first Sahih Muslim chains: Qutayba, Yunus ibn Yazid and al-Zuhri again* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/tr3nsx3ufy8/s/24/ - Date: 2021-03-14 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Reply to Yasir Qadhi's False Claims on 2nd Coming of Jesus | Mufti Abu Layth (1:45:14–1:50:30) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR3NSX3UFy8&t=6314s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/tr3nsx3ufy8/ **Topics:** Narrator criticism; Hadith collections and their history; The second coming of Jesus **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** The second Bukhari chain passes through Qutayba, who once concealed a known forger in a chain, and the Sahih Muslim chains pass through narrators faulted for lax or inaccurate transmission from al-Zuhri, notably Yunus ibn Yazid, with al-Zuhri himself recurring in each. **Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth says the second Bukhari chain passes through Qutayba, who once concealed a known forger in a chain and presented the report as heard from al-Layth, and that the Sahih Muslim chains pass through Yunus ibn Yazid and other narrators whose transmission from al-Zuhri the critics faulted, with al-Zuhri recurring in each. **Evidence, his words at 1:45:57:** “there was a famous forger who quraiba sits with he hears this hadith from laith uh he doesn't hear it he hears khalid he drops him and himself presents it as though he heard it from leith” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR3NSX3UFy8&t=6357s) ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth says the second Bukhari report is generally reliable in its narrators, but points out that al-Bukhari himself relates asking Qutayba whom he was with when he wrote a particular hadith from al-Layth, and that Qutayba answered he was with Khalid al-Madaini [?], a known forger of hadith, so that Qutayba had heard a fabricated report from the forger, dropped him and presented it as heard from al-Layth; Mufti says this is at least a question mark over him, and the chain again contains al-Zuhri. He turns to three alternative chains in Sahih Muslim. The first contains a narrator about whom Ja'far al-Faryabi [?] records that some questioned his laxity and whose transmission from Ibn Shihab is problematic because he saw him only when very young and probably took the reports from a book; the second passes through Harmala and Yunus ibn Yazid al-Ayli, about whom it is said that he is not taken as evidence, that he did not remember hadith accurately, and, as Imam Ahmad transmits, that he lacked knowledge of hadith and would connect reports of Ibn Shihab to Sa'id that were not so connected; Hasan al-Hulwani [?] is also in the chain, and some said to throw his material away; al-Zuhri appears again, and a further chain differs only in its first narrator. ## Sources and names cited - Sahih al-Bukhari - Sahih Muslim - al-Bukhari - Qutayba ibn Said - al-Layth ibn Sa'd - Khalid al-Madaini [?] - Yunus ibn Yazid al-Ayli - Harmala ibn Yahya - Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal - al-Zuhri ## Transcript (machine tier, 1:45:14–1:50:30) [1:44:50] it's from zohari he made it up but he just projected it to the prophet right so you've got this okay this is one hadith in bukhari okay let's see now here's another hadith he presents this in bukhari [1:45:27] generally reliable i accept that however right they now if you look on the left hand side i did transmit that even bukhari himself transmits i said to qutiba who were you with when you writ a particular hadith from laith that this hadith this particular hadith he says i was with khalid al-madahini who was a known forger of hadith [1:45:57] says that this particular hadith is fabricated yet kotaba is the one transmitting it he doesn't mention khalid in it so there was a famous forger who quraiba sits with he hears this hadith from laith uh he doesn't hear it he hears khalid he drops him and himself presents it as though he heard it from leith and it was a fabricated hadith now you tell me when somebody does that that's at least a question mark how reliable is that person then in this chain once again you've got zuhri same thing somebody who adds words who projects them back to the prophet makes them [1:46:39] now now let here are some alternative chains okay now there's three chains running here alternative chains he presents and these are in sahih muslim okay the first chain abdullah allah that you can see there now there's a little question mark on him okay some people had questioned uh jafar al-faryabi does present that some people questioned about him that him being [1:47:17] a bit relaxed about hadith but take it when he transmits from ibn shayab sorry is problematic why because he only saw him when he was very young and a lot of the hadith he presents from zorrites he's usually probably blagging somebody in between or he's reading them from a book he didn't actually hear them from him hence a lot of people don't rate his transmission then you've got here eunice ibn yazid al-aily um let me just see there yep you can see it there in the second chain eunice where it says eunice now sorry you've [1:47:56] got harmalab i'll do harmaland then come to eunice we do not consider him we do not take from him as evidence now okay let's go back to uh just be uh yoona yazid now you've got [1:48:34] right now eunice ibn yazid uh says about him he's not somebody who would remember hadith accurately and he says that it's transmitted check this out imam ahmad transmits that hadith he didn't even have a good knowledge of hadith and he would write saeed so he would sometimes there would be a hadith from ibn shahab and he would connect it to said and it wasn't even like that or he would take hadith and just connect [1:49:12] them and notice this also goes forward to connect with zohori and to also saeed as well on certain occasions so you've got hasan al-halwani in this chain humble [Laughter] [1:49:49] certain people had also transmitted from him that throw his stuff away they went to that extent they throw it in the rubbish that's about now and then you've got zuri again the same problem going on now you've got another chain the same kind of thing except it's coming from muhammad [1:50:25] so it's the same chain just the person in the beginning is changing that's one variant in muslims even though he is generally reliable however imam buhari avoided him because they felt he wasn't actually scrupulous they avoided they do not transmit anything from him that alone is a question mark then there is also a narration in catabol ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment TR3NSX3UFy8/s/24. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/tr3nsx3ufy8/s/24/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. 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