# Is separating hadith from the Sunnah a Hanafi and Maliki principle, and what does Mufti Abu Layth say about Salafi creed? *Hadith and Sunnah in Hanafi and Maliki usul; Salafi kalam built on fabricated chains* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/tr3nsx3ufy8/s/19/ - Date: 2021-03-14 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Reply to Yasir Qadhi's False Claims on 2nd Coming of Jesus | Mufti Abu Layth (1:15:01–1:20:13) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR3NSX3UFy8&t=4501s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/tr3nsx3ufy8/ **Topics:** Sunnah versus hadith; Creed and the schools of theology; Exchanges with Yasir Qadhi **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Distinguishing hadith from the Sunnah is the usul of the Hanafi and Maliki schools, not Abduh's invention, and Qadhi applies to Gog and Magog the very reasoning he condemns in others. Mufti Abu Layth adds that Salafi kalam rests on fabricated chains, such as companions debating whether the Quran is created, a debate that arose only around 190 to 210 AH. **Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth holds that distinguishing hadith from the Sunnah is the usul of the Hanafi and Maliki schools rather than an innovation of Abduh, that Qadhi applies to Gog and Magog the reasoning he condemns in others, and that Salafi kalam rests on fabrications such as chains to companions debating whether the Quran is created, a debate that arose only around 190 to 210 AH. **Evidence, his words at 1:15:01:** “this is the usual of the hanafi madhyab and the maliki method that we do tafriq al hadith sunnah unlike the shepherd's” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR3NSX3UFy8&t=4501s) ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth says the distinction between hadith and Sunnah, which Qadhi attributes to Abduh, is the usul of the Hanafi and Maliki madhhabs, which separate the two unlike the Shafi'is, and that two and a half days of research would have shown it. He lists further inconsistencies: Qadhi says it is incredibly dangerous to challenge Islamic theology, yet on Gog and Magog he said what people have said does not matter; he says one tabi'i claimed Jesus died a natural death, when many did; he says hadith cannot be questioned since they are Allah's decision, yet calls the Gog and Magog hadith fabricated because it is illogical; and he calls the Judeo-Christian-origins claim outrageous while himself saying the Gog and Magog belief came in through Judeo-Christian sources. Mufti then says he will show in coming sessions that the Salafi aqidah and its entire kalam are built on fabrications, giving the example of the question whether the Quran is created: Salafi works bring chains back to companions such as Ibn Umar discussing it, which even the Salafi editors of those volumes reject, since the debate only emerged around 190 to 210 years after the Prophet, as preposterous as saying Queen Victoria or Newton debated Bitcoin. He then introduces the first verse Qadhi cited. ## Sources and names cited - Yasir Qadhi - Muhammad Abduh - Hanafi school - Shafi'i school - Salafi (Wahhabi) - kalam - Ibn Umar - distinction between sunnah and hadith ## Transcript (machine tier, 1:15:01–1:20:13) [1:14:52] he says that muhammad abdul was the first to come up with this his thing on the main point of difference is to differentiate between hadith and sunnah comes from muhammad abdul this is the usual of the hanafi madhyab and the maliki method that we do tafriq al hadith sunnah unlike the shepherd's but you know there you go that just if only he'd done two and a half days research [1:15:23] this is incredibly dangerous to challenge islamic theology yet himself on gaga magog he said it doesn't matter you know if people have said this doesn't matter he says one tab he claimed that jesus died natural death not even and many people claim this acha hadith can't be questioned since it's allah's decision [1:15:57] the hadith is fabricated see so he says hadith because you can't question hadith as illogical because it's from allah himself he says about gog and magog it's illogical to believe this that it's under the earth therefore it has to be false he claims that look oh this is to threaten all of islamic yet himself [1:16:38] he on gog and magog he says no i clearly believe that this came in through judeo-christian sources he goes on to show how it's their belief to believe in a proto messiah precursor and the actual messiah and it's a coincidence that we have this sunni islam could have been built on an entire belief structure is outrageous do you know the salafi akida and in the coming sessions i will show this their entire kalam is built on fabrications [1:17:17] you know they believe that allah they will say all these things like like even if you take this topic of uh is the quran created famous scholars and these other people they've written voluminous works showing that this is that this is their position the quran is not created they bring chains going back to the companions to the companions discussing the topic saying uh ibn umar or these these companions saying [1:17:56] happy if the companion spoke about this issue it wouldn't have been an issue even the editors of those volumes who are salafi say you know this is like this is the limits you you that there's no way these hadith because the sahaba did not even have such a discussion so it's like saying basically it's the equivalent of saying well queen victoria [1:18:31] was debating big because for to say that queen victoria or newton were debating bitcoin is preposterous because this discussion hasn't emerged then it's the same this discussion of is the quran created was did not emerge till at least maybe something like 190 to 210 years after the prophet after the prophet [1:19:09] yet they bring with chains they fill their books up that the companions brings nine companions saying that all the having a discussion on this which even the editor says look come on he says he says that this is utter eddie salafi he says look at come on man this is made up obviously the companions weren't discussing this but here how can it be as our beloved saying [1:19:39] these are biddah now here he brings the first verse of the quran which is in two places ali imran in 46 and suramar 110 that uh about jesus yo nasa film now note um he says this is clear indication that jesus is coming back yeah because how else is he going to speak to people ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment TR3NSX3UFy8/s/19. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/tr3nsx3ufy8/s/19/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. 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